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Fractal Horsepower: Axe-Fx III vs FM9 vs FM3 CPUs -- Fractal Fridays with Cooper Carter #4
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- Опубликовано: 7 окт 2021
- Don't underestimate the power of the FM9 and FM3 to run a full Axe-Fx III preset with very few changes, as @coopercarter demonstrates with his live preset!
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Nice, this will answer a lot of questions. I am personally much happier with the FM3 than I was ever with the FXII. Keeping it smaller and simpler makes me play more and tweak less.
And also have less, because you spent less, because you make less
@@justinTime077 nasty comment.
@@MOAB-UT thanks bra strap!
@@justinTime077 all that gear only to play a blink-182 song 😂
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Very informative and helpful video, not to mention delicious guitar tones!
Processing differences aside, the compact form factor of the FM3 is quite appealing.
Great Tones Cooper!
Sounds great! Would love this preset!
Thanks Cooper. Helpful stuff. Gig with the AxFxIII but thinking of getting an FM9 to keep things simpler.
It keeps things damn tidy, that's for sure.
im saving for an axe fx 3 because of these videos
Hi, when recording with the FM3 is it possible to send the Delay and Reverb out separate outputs from the AMP/CAB so I can record the fx on separate tracks in my Daw. Thanks
I look forward to being available in Europe and hope to be able to buy FM9 from you guys. Greetings from Poland :)
Witamy!
Yes Leniu. You should be able to buy one within 4 years.
Sounds so good
You have excellent audio my friend
Nice thank you.
Is there a way that we can download this preset?
I bought some axe fxiii and fm3 presents and none of them work on fm9, do you know what's the problem?
Is the cpu percentage displayed the safe cpu percentage (aka when it hits 99% it’s actually 80% that way you can fully use all 100% of the cpu usage bar) or is it legitimately the full cpu usage displayed? Basically could you safely run these units at 95% cpu usage and never melt them or have a crash? Is that a thing ? Do these units ever crash???
Soooooo can we get that amazing preset?
Is it on Axe Exchange? Would love to try it out!
Is this preset available for download?
nice. got my FM3 a few months back now in July, but ive never seen a need for anything more than what it does. the III seems overkill for my needs. plus the FM3 + FC6 are just killer combinations. my custom layouts for it are completely tailored to my needs.
I agree OMG9 etc is great but you could do that with any of their setups. You control what any of those buttons do regardless
Practically what does happen if it hits 100% CPU? What if you're at a gig w/o the computer, does the pedal tell you CPU stuff?
Dragging and dropping an Axe Fx 3 preset into the FM3... how was that done..? I own an Axe fx 3 and and Fm3 and would really like to know how to do this.. cheers 🍻
me 2
We all want tone match on the fm3.
If it is capable. I'd be willing to give up preset space easily for this option and bet may would.
💯💯💯
I think that train has left the station. Future development will be on the FM9 and higher models I believe.
So I'm a helix user really don't use the amp models in it as I think they suck, the effects are pretty good, so I mainly use it with my Friedman twin sister which is a heavy bitch to lift, would love to have portability in just using a modeler so I'm now looking at the fractal gear, so my question is, have you used helix? and how would you compare the fractal gear to the line 6 stuff, I'm about to get rid and forget about the modeler stuff I find it frustrating, I know my way around the helix etc been working with it over a year but Im not getting out of it what I got it for so is the fractal that way much better? Could I ditch lugging my trusted tube amp with ever reliable quality tone to using the ease of a fractal and get the same results.
I’m a little confused. If you have an effect in the chain but it’s not enabled, it uses DSP processing? Or carves out the % it needs so you don’t accidentally run over of you enable it?
Second one
@@SebastianBogensperger afaik it’s the first one. Every block in the chain no matter bypassed it or not will eat the same amount of CPU
So the Axe Fx 2 is about 9000 and the 3 is 21000 according to their chart.So the Fm3 is 5000 ish and the Fm9 is 10000 ish? I'm trying to decide if I should sell my 2 XL+ and get an Fm9 because my name will by up on the list soon. But if it's only slightly more powerful I'm thinking just keep the 2 in the studio and use my Headrush live.
How would you compare the headrush to the fractal?
If I were you, I'd definitely upgrade.
Did you get the FM9?
@@kennedylemoine4205 I know this is one year late, and you may already have made your choice, but for other that may read this: please do not compare the Headrush with the Fractal, they are in different leagues... The Headrush competes with the Helix/Boss GT/etc... The only device out there that competes with the Fractal is the Quad Cortex.
So if the debate is between Headrush (even the Prime) vs any of the Fractal, the choice is always the Fractal. If we using tone as the deciding factor, that is.
If you ask me between the Headrush Prime / Helix vs the Fractal FX8, I would still pick the FX8...
The fm3 actually only has 1/5 of the cpu powers as the axe fx 3. According to their site
I’ll be god damned.
I didn’t think changing the reverb quality did anything to cpu usage on the FM9 as the reverb is done purely on it’s own core?
Sry for the confusion. I swapped the order of things in the edit, but I actually did the FM3 first when planning the video. I reduced them all down to Economy, even the III, to maintain the same sound for the FM3. Yes, the FM9 can do Ultra-High fine, but the FM3 mandated economy.
It does. No offense to Cooper as he does some nice reviews, but Leon gets into it more in ways. I have an FM3 and am waiting to get an FM9. It matters what you use and how you set it up. But the FM3 once you get to certain points runs out of CPU when you do a normal 1 amp and effects setup, with hi res cabs and then hi res reverb.
Now everyone is different, but once I heard the difference between economy settings and the hi res, I don't want to have to use the economy versions anymore. But you are forced to with the FM3, because it has less processing capabilities. The FM9 has those exclusive processors so you are not as limited.
You can also double your amp models, which the AXE-FX does, but you can't do with the FM3. But it really comes down to what you think you'll need. The FM9 wasn't out when I bought my FM3 to give me the option. And the FM3 gave me my taste of Fractal sonic guitar cocaine. Now knowing what I know, if given the choice and was doing it now, I would just buy the FM9.
@@yanossnicklefritz7064 I’ve had an axe fx 2 xl+ for about 5 years and personally I can get away with amp, cab, reverb,delay. It’s glorious. I just want the extra recording functionality and the freedom
@@Harrysound When it comes down to it, you know what you need and what you don't. I was just looking to help with some other details. Good luck in your choice.
So disappointed that you are not comparing the horsepower in combination with the USB Audio Interface on/off. My biggest gripe with the AXE FX II XL+ that I have is that your USB Audio will get drop-outs when the CPU usage for the Gruitar sound goes over 80%. I was shocked to see that the FM3 and FM9 are already over the limit, and even the FX III is at 66% with your presets. You can forget Audio playback on the FM3/9 out of the box therefore. And I'm scared to use the FX III as a combined Audio interface / Amp modeler. Especially when re-amping at the time of final mix.
On my FX II XL+ I can only re-amp and then record through the SP/DIF into a separate Audio Interface.
So, all in all I'm shocked with the numbers. Hopefully the new FX III mark II which they claim has 25% more CPU, will not have this problem.
And why not making an FM3 with the same DSP of the AXe-FXIII? That would be the perfect product.
Impossible things are always perfect.
@@ev25zv sure, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't push developers towards better products. They sometimes do read the comments.
@@kktorado Dude, you're literally wanting them to put the 4 processors that go into the AX3 into the space (FM3) where only 1 can fit. That's like saying you want everything that is in a Mac computer to fit inside the iPhone. In 20 years you'll get that, but then the bigger unit will always have more processing and you'll want that to fit in the small unit instead. It's not possible and never will be possible. Better to push for things that are not impossible.
As for pushing them, Fractal constantly works on updates to their firmware and they have a forum where everyone can put feature requests in, so they're not slumming in the youtube comments - they're listening to their actual customers.
The recent update a week ago to the FM9 just made every channel, present, and scene change be completely gapless and they improved the tracking speed and there were more amp models. They are currently working on that firmware update for the FM3 because it's code and not a chip that can't physically fit inside the unit. Most companies would just release that code inside the next generation upgrade of the unit so they can get more sales, but they're giving this firmware update to any current owner of the unit
Maybe, but I still think space is not the problem. Hope we get something similar in a few years then. Meanwhile, I'll keep working with my Axe-FXlll.
@@kktorado Well, it's the power required which creates heat and requires huge heatsinks and fans
I hate hearing the word "economy" and no high resolution effects when one is paying $1,599 for the FM9. I didn't think it would run out of CPU like that. At 6:45 I noticed you were only at 82%. Is adding high resolution really going to add 18%? I think the FM9 is more capable than the impression I am getting from this video. It's a rock star (yes- I am on the list so perhaps a bit biased!)
At some point, can you do a video that is "only" an audio and exact comparison of the three units? Don't need a lot of talk- just same parameters across all three and let us hear which one we like best. Throw in one or two presets that are CPU intensive even if the FM3 and FM9 can't keep up. Show the scenes and the CPU % side by side.
I think the FM9 can handle almost all the tones a users would need- and about 90% of what the AFXIII can do. The BIG gap is capability (CPU and other) is clearly between the AFXIII and the FM3.
85% is actually the cap for most of the units as any anything above will start cutting out audio to preserve the unit being overworked and messing with it. I think this video is a little mid-leading because he could’ve done a lot of other things to converse CPU than to change the reverb quality level and still get under that 80%. All of the patches I used (some very large) all work on the fm9 as well with no changes required.
@@phillipsouthard8285 That is what I was thinking- and saw too. Cooper is good though and the FM9 is still very new. I am sure he will make some updated videos that are more clear and helpful. I thought this one was going to be more of a direct comparison of the three units. I didn't really get that. I would rather he just play the patches- show the CPU and let us hear "the units" and less commentary.
Leon Todd had some monster patches and they all seemed to work just fine on the FM9. Didn't know about the 85% cap thing. Still, I think the FM9 should have enough power for most and definitely much more than the FM3. I just really hate even the thought of having to water down the quality of my effects on a nearly $2,000 unit. I am not as he said "playing live." I listen critically through high quality cans at home. I will be able to tell the difference.
@@MOAB-UT Sry for the confusion. I swapped the order of things in the edit, but I actually did the FM3 first when planning the video. I reduced them all down to Economy, even the III, to maintain the same sound for the FM3. Yes, the FM9 can do Ultra-High fine, but the FM3 mandated economy. And if Reverb is what you want most, you'll prioritize that. I have plenty of presets in the FM9 that use ultra high quality reverb.
I can easily do a more direct comparison tone video.
@@phillipsouthard8285 The main thing I could have done was used fewer IRs, but that would have more dramatically changed the tone than lowering the reverb quality. The point was to show that you can keep tones themselves almost exactly the same.
@@coopercarter I do like reverb- and other effects too. For $1599.00 honestly, I want it all. Not economy settings- that's a terrible thought. No plans to drop an extra grand to get an AFXIII. I also like the form factor of the 9. What you say makes sense though. I can definitely see where the FM3 would struggle greatly and need to reduce many things- not nearly as bad with the FM9. I can't wait to get mine!
Thanks- a direct sound comparison w/CPU % would be great.