Pigeon Genetics [05] Dilute
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- Опубликовано: 18 сен 2024
- Sex linked recessive gene turns a blue to a silver a black to a dun a (Click 'Show more')
red to a yellow and so on. Dilute can be applied to everything we have previously covered and more. It cuts the pigment in half.
We are NOT professionals or genetic experts, just trying to share the little that we have learned through breeding/reading into video form.
Videos will be by no means exhausted, I tried to make things only as technical as they need to be to gain a general understanding (and because mine doesn't go much further) of how genes are inherited. In other words I hope these videos can be a foundation for you to build upon if you so desire.
Below are links to several sites where we have learned much from!
Ron Huntley - www.angelfire.c....
Frank Mosca - www.angelfire.c....
Arif Mumtaztic - www.mumtazticlo....
Rudoplh - sites.google.c....
Axel Sell - www.taubensell.de/ (paste the URL into google and they will give you a translate option.)
Joe Quinn - Get his Pigeon notebook (PDF) at one of these sites: www.angelfire.c.... -
dl.dropboxuser....
Many pictures of complex phenotypes - www.falconlofts...
If you feel as if I missed anything important or have any questions, comments, or concerns please feel free to add it to the comments, thanks.
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Corbin, Great information for the pigeon community. Keep it up sir!
I don't know why this guy doesn't make more video
Excellent video mate! Can you do one that explains Opal, Reduced and Toy Stencil? I'm good with genetics but have only recently looked into pigeon genetics.
How you maintain the good primary flight feathers of your off color pigeons?
Could you tell me how I would be able to breed a silver bar? What colour parents would I need?
Only because I always felt that way with animal colors I'm general. Like Russian blue cats or blue nose pits. Both of those grey but called blue I think that's what they ment with pigeons as well what do think? ????? You seem to know a bit about this what do think. ..
From my blue bar I got check , silver bar and Grizzle
Quick state ment if I may. You ever think when they ment blue bar they ment blue pigeon that's barred.
Please make a video about almond
great videos!
Hey i got a quick question for ya. Say I breed a silver cock to a yellow hen, the dominance in which the intent colors are remains true to the dilute colors correct? So all the hens should be silver, and the cocks will be silver split for yellow because the intent color blue is greater than brown?
Recessive red symbolized e//e is not sexed linked ; So regardless of which parent is or carries the e gene doesn't matter. All young will be e//+ and if the silver bar carries recessive red than half the young will be silver or yellow. Yes the order or dominace as far as: brown - blue - ash red does not change when adding dilute in or pale or any other genes. Your yellow hen could be ash red? maybe a t- pattern. Than all your cocks could be ash red t pattersn split for blue/silver. The yellow hen (d//d, e//e) could be hiding a lot of things.
***** The question i was trying to get at was the order of dominance in the intent the same in the dilute form and you answered it perfectly, thank you. Using yellow was a bad example by me, I forgot red was recessive, and made you do a lot of extra work! sorry. Another quick question for ya, i raise show birds and I was wondering if to your knowledge you are aware of any sex-linked genes in regards to body type such as frill, cap, posture etc. I've checked with other pigeon fanciers and it seems like no one has any concrete evidence. I would love your insight, thank you for your time.
I have not expierenced or read of any sex linked genes other than the dilution genes and base color. There are some breeds which are sexually dimorphic. In the case of pigeons generally the only difference between male and female will be size; Sometimes also the structure is not as defined. Things can get confusing. It appears there is a recessive and a dominate white flight gene. There is one recessive grizzle gene to multiple dominate ones. Looks as if there may also be a recessive and incomplete dominate grouse leg gene. Genetics is a fun study. Check out some of the links in the descriptions if your have not already.
Dun colour female bird only one copy of dilute. So how the bird express dilute.
From what I have read, male pigeons always have two X chromosomes and a female has only one X chromosome plus something else that is not an X chromosome. Dilute is a recessive gene so for male pigeons, BOTH of those X chromosomes must have the dilute gene for dilute to show. If one of the X chromosome has the wild type dominant blue then the blue will hide the dilute from showing. For the female, it only has one X chromosome so it only needs to get one copy of the dilute gene from the parents and the dilute gene will show. The female does not have a second X chromosome so once it inherits the dilute gene it can not inherit another X chromosome with a different color gene. If it is able to get a second X chromosome then it will be a male bird.
One last question. At the begining of this video on Dilute. You show a blue bar and a silver bar. What did you put on the Blue Bar to get the Silver Bar? Or what 2 colors did you use to get Silver?
Okay, this is a good question. In pigeon genetics the Blue bar is the standard. When we say a gene is dominate or recessive we mean in regard to a blue bar. We simply call a bluebar "wildtype". So in this case all we add is the dilute gene. In it's simplest form it is a silver bar.
So if you have a blue bar and you want silver bars you have to get the (not that) dilute gene from somewhere else. You could take a yellow, or a dun would be the most common. You could also find a khaki which is dilute brown.
You may find it also in combination with any other gene like grizzle, opal, spread, you name it.
Dilutes always have short down in the nest.
Though it is not the only gene which does that but by far the most common.
Check out the links in my description. Ron Huntley's specifically.
He explains all and with pictures. Very good info there.
Make a video or take good pictures and I'll take a look if you want.
Great explanation. I think i'm finally getting it. THANKS
beautiful birds n beautiful colours.i want 2mak red bar n yellow bar but don't know how can I???any body can tel plzzzz
You must start with either and ash red or the dilute form (ash yellow).
So a red bar and a dilute bird will make a cream bird?
how do I make a lavender like the Lahore pigeon
The Lahore lavender is a blue based pigeon with the spread gene; essentially a black bird plus homozygous for the milky gene. I've never worked with milky but it sounds like a simple mix.
FWIW Lahore lavender is different than the standard US lavender.
This is a case of similar phenotype (look) and different genotype (genes). They look similar but are made two different ways but called the same thing.
In America a lavender is an ash red based bird with the spread gene.
The same thing as a black but based on ash not blue.
Homer folk often ignorantly call them 'ash red barless'.
www.angelfire.com/ga3/pigeongenetics/colorpigeons.html
So what 2 colors do I put together? I'm trying to put a color in a type of pigeon that color isn't present
If your breed doesn't have the milky gene which I imagine a small number of breeds have them you have to mix from another breed. We need the ingredients to make the cake.
oh great cheers