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HOTAS showdown - Logitech vs Thrustmaster review
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- Опубликовано: 31 июл 2020
- Thrustmaster vs Logitech HOTAS Showdown
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Once more into the fray! Thrustmaster T.Flight HOTAS One, HOTAS 4, and HOTAS X. T.16000M steps up and Logitech / Saitek X52, X52 Professional as well as the X56 Warthog. All brought to the table for an honest impression and review.
No punches held back, just an honest review to help you decide what HOTAS setup is the right choice for you.
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Hey, thanks for your Video and the nice overview. If you turn the TM 16000M on the backside and push the throttle all the way up, you will find a little silver screw. If you turn this little screw you are able to change the resistance of the throttle. After that it works very smooth.
I found the Thrustmaster has a bit of a break in period, I've now used it for about 20 hours of flying for so far and it feels a lot better now than it did out of box.
That's a fair point ItsATrap, and I'm glad you've pointed out your experience :D
To clarify, this is the T16000M, correct?
@@wideshadyy yes
@@ItsATrap614 how is it now
@@panther6330 It's great! Over the past year I'd say I've put around 700-800 hours of flying on it and it still works flawlessly.
All the buttons still feel crisp and the stick itself has not developed any play. I have not noticed any wear.
One small thing: it is pretty easy for dust to get into the throttle and pedal housing so I open them up to clean them a bit every 4 months or so.
I am very happy with it and it's a set I would definitely recommend to anyone who is semi-serious about flight sims.
One of the best reviewer I have watched. Had me engaged from the drop of the gloved hammer from the boxer, to the very end of the review. Awesome job!
Thank you so very much MERC875! Hearing stuff like that makes it easier to keep putting videos out
awesome review! i love how your stuff is always to the point. this video is crammed full of great info. itll be the video i point to when friends ask about hotas setups from now on. a bunch of models and features covered. just missing the warthog.
Thank you so much Jeffrey3k! I wanted to cover the Warthog, but I was having a hard time getting a hold of one in time, and since it's priced well beyond the X56 I was hoping the viewers would forgive me for missing it - PLUS who knows how many people would have tuned out by the time I got to the Warthog since I just wouldn't stop rambling ;)
This literally contains all of the information I have needed for so long. Thank you so much man you got yourself another subscriber!
I'm so glad I was able to help Piers! And thank you for the kind words, welcome aboard :D
Make that two!
Make that thrice
Yeah man I completely agree, this video summed it up very well. I ended up going with the X56 and just looking at the dual throttle and joystick looks so good. I cant wait for it to arrive this Sunday!
Literally everything here is out of stock or way over my budget.
Right now it seems scalpers are taking advantage of Covid and are making it very difficult to get realistic pricing on both HOTAS setups as well as force feedback wheels :s
Patience will be the dealio on that front Guardian Gibbs :s
Keep an eye on ebay, occasionally people will sell a few at msrp.
Fully. Nothing in stick here. I wanted to get one because I just ordered the quest 2 when it lands in a week or so. Can't find anything local and in stock.
It seems no one at Thrustmasters or Logitec thought about Fligth Sim and Squadrons been release this year. On top of that, I live in Argentina and a Hotas X cost 412 dollars (or 214 illegal dollars. It's a weird country)
@@Gandalf721 That's true, you are right. I' bought a gaming laptop, mouse and headset during the lockdown :P
You missed to mention the Thrustmaster TWCS has a tension adjustment screw on the bottom side so you can adjust how well it slides back and forth...
Thank you for the comment 4K4ST3R! It was bound to happen I'd miss some things and I appreciate the heads up!
if only i had read the manual and known about this when i bought mine four years ago...
@@adriantp_ we've all been there
Add resistance to the HOTAS 4 throttle by opening the base, remove a small plate, stretch or replace the spring. Sand off that center detent while you're in there.
amazing review was looking to buy a x52 and this is what a needed thanks so much for making this!
LOVE to hear when my videos help other people! Thank you so much for letting me know nuggeto 69!!
Nigh on impossible to actually buy anything at the moment but as soon as I can ditch the controller then this video has been by far the most helpful I've watched when it comes to what my money will go on - Thanks!
You have to watch ebay for listings at msrp
Glad to help any way I can Magnus Opum - and it LOOKS like stock may start popping back up soon (as I've seen a couple of websites showing stock arrival in the next week) so fingers crossed!
Great no-nonsense review, just what I needed - thank you!
I'm just glad to help 3dVisualist - thank YOU for the kind words :D
Thanks for the overview, I like your channel! Only thing I missed here was how well each combo performs in game, how accurate and easy to use the axes are.
axis :)
Great review / survey of the HOTAS landscape... earned a Sub... cheers Alan.
Thank you for both the sub AND the kind words Alan, fingers crossed you keep enjoying the stuff I keep putting out :D
Dude, you are definitley not the only one. The flip up thing is like the main reason I bought the x52 6 years ago. And I would've bought the rhino long time ago if it had it as well.
lol - I'm glad to hear I'm not alone! Thanks for the comment satanicdude1 :D
I like how excited you are with the flip button on the X52 as you mention it all the time 😄😄😄 Great video, helped me a lot to decide ❤
Nicely done video man, exactly the info you want when looking for hotas.
Glad I could be of help Peter - thank YOU for the kind words :D
was looking at getting a HOTAS, I am going to get the X52 based on this review, seems to be the best bang for the $$$. Thank you sir!
You are most welcome Jesse, fingers crossed you can grab one at a good price!
Great overview. Subbed. To make it a true review though I reckon a minute at the end to say which you think is best overall, or which would be best for different purposes, would be good. Cheers!
Used the X52 for around 7 years now and never realised the trigger was 2 stage...blew my mind
lol - I've been caught with very similar factoids, and glad I was able to help JJ :D
Heh, same! Getting the X56 now tho, so hey ho...
i own the x56 logitech since about 2 years. daily use. worth the money if you give some time to run properly. had some serious problem with ghost acting. came out, i need an active usb-hub which delivers some extra energy. a new driver update too. now runs very smooth without problems
Thanks for the thorough review. I was torn between Logitech and Trustmaster. Although I was looking forward to telling my wife that "I have to lube my thrustmaster", I'm going to go with Logitech X52 pro because of the "lights and the flip up thing that protects the fancy button".
I'm just glad to help AK Ken, and no matter which you go with...you tell your wife all you want about your Thrustmaster, even if you do go Logitech for the flip up thingy and fancy button. You do you ;)
This was a really awesome review. I really enjoyed it. I picked up both the X52 and X56 going to give them a try.
Thank you for the kind words Muse, it's tricky to balance not drowning people in tech data and still keeping it educational. I love to hear when viewers enjoyed something I put so much time into. Thank you again :D
Which one did you keep?
@@BenjiRayTV I kept the X56
@@museprime8784 sweet thanks for the info! Looking into getting one myself
Thanks! I ordered an Amazon renewed x56. Hoping it doesn't have quality issues but your video makes me feel like it was worth a chance.
It's a solid (VERY solid) HOTAS, so as long as the renewed one is in good shape upon arrival I'm sure you'll enjoy it Leon. I'll cross my fingers for you that it comes in prestine shape! :D
Barefoot Gaming it really isn’t tho.
It has a comically under engineered gimbal mechanism that will last a while when doing classic flight sim, but space sims will grind it easily within 2 years.
Once that weird plate starts to scratch the ball, you will loose even the tiny bit of precision, that it had when it was new.
The throttle is decent for the money, but the stick has to be a practical joke that somehow made it to production.
I recently gave a friend a T16k and an X56 throttle. He wanted to check whether he likes HOTAS. I think this is the best combo until you want to invest into Virpil stuff.
this is the best review ive seen for all these sticks, thank you
I'm just glad I was able to help d w, thank YOU for letting me know it helped :D
I'm using the T16000 joystick alone, with the throttle control and everything. It takes some getting used to but is awesome, way more fun than hand on stick and WASD - i simply cannot afford the throttle right now but i do plan on getting one, hopefully when i do there will be no compatability issues due to buying them at different times.
I took a flyer on the X56 about 3 months ago (it only finally arrived 3 days ago!) but I would have been stoked to have been able to find your video beforehand. Nice job! Although you coulda spent more time on the X56 😉
lol - thank you for the kind words Matthew, and that X56 is a beefy HOTAS, no question about it (I'm just glad I didn't put you to sleep by the time I got to it in the video!)
You can Lock-out the " Twist " feature on the Throttle, by turning in a screw tightly in the front right side of the stick.
For the Thrustmaster T-Flight 4.
Thanks so much man. This helps so much. I’m probably gonna buy one of these for Star Wars squadrons
I'm just glad I could help Soggy Waffles - and I'm right there with you excited about Star Wars Squadrons!
That's exactly why I'm looking to buy one lol
Using the X56 with Squadrons, it's alright but the game has a problem on my PC where it recognizes the HOTAS as a console controller, Battlefront II has the same problem
@@sharko4093 I'm using the Logitech Yoke Flight System. First time ever using it. It's been fun so far. I'm still learning though, trying to map the buttons out .... Lol
@@victord3093 Yeah, the game's unique in that sense because you more have to map stuff out as you play instead of all at the beginning because you need to get a feel for where you want controls to be as you are required to use them.
tips for new buyers if youre playing something like dcs and you own a G29 or something, you can use the wheels pedals as the rotor and it works really well, one will be a bit stiffer than the other but saving in both money and the need to keep changing the pedals every time is really worth it.
Thanks for this, that saved me some $
My X-52pro (Stick) passed away 6 months ago (RIP).
I luckily got an X56 on sale just before the COVID lockdowns started and stock became limited. I removed the center spring and replaced it with 4 springs that branch out and connect to the base. If you have a 3D printer you can even make the necessary pieces. I just used equivilant parts. Bottom line is the stick now floats on center and feels much better when flying. You can Google X56 Spring Mod and you should see what I mean. Cheers.
I do just so happen to have a 3D printer, and have considered trying out the mods for all the different HOTAS setups to see how they affect the gameplay - if only their were more time in a day!
Either way, I appreciate your comment Ysiad, as I'm certain it will help others when making their decision which way to go :D
The t.16000m throttle has a tension adjustment on the bottom to try and make it smoother.
Awesome video! It helps a lot. Awesome shirt you have on too! Lol
lol - thanks Kooloo, I'm glad it helped and thank you for the kind words on my wardrobe :D
I have an X52 and the TM16000 with pedals. The X52 has a brilliant selection of knobs, switches and twiddley bits, better than the TM16000s. However, I found the TM16000 has a much more precise action, no need for a dead zone with any flight sim, I find the TM16000 much better for precise control but wish there were a couple more twiddley bits to map to the trim control for planes. I didn't know about the screws for adjusting the throttle tension, I found it a bit stiff but now know how to fix that, thanks to the other commentators. The X52 joystick is too slack and has not got the precision of the TM, I found I needed to set a dead zone to use it effectively. For me and flight sims the TM16000s wins, for Elite Dangerous I would probably swap back to the X52 if I still played it. Good review but I think you should have mentioned how accurate each stick was.
my x52 just died after only 2 months of use.
@@coina-dig-tion6322 you can use logitech RMA to get a new one, i honestly prefer logitech since in my country TM RMA sucks only provides 3 months, and logitech gives 2 year garatee in the X52 so i can use it without a fuss. but honestly i would prefer the TM since its cheaper and just as good.
@@lukasausen fortunately Logitech sent me a brand new X52 system! That was AFTER I had already purchased a replacement system (a Thrustmaster throttle and Gladiator NXT) which I'm very happy with. As it turns out only the throttle from the X52 was bad so it's on standby now
Can you elaborate on why you would choose the Logitech for elite dangerous?
It's the video I needed, amazing, I finally made my decision, of course the X56
I recommend Virpil products for the HOTAS, and Thrusmaster TPR for the pedals. Virpil makes very solid products and have a variety of grips for different aircraft and also have left handed grips if you want to play a space sim that uses dual joysticks.
Virpil would not get back to me, and I reached out to them multiple times. I would have loved to have given them not just some exposure but an honest review
Excellent video, earned my sub, thank you so much!
Thank YOU for the kind words Hunter, I'm glad I was able to help!
Great reviews - love the color commentary!
I got a Thrustmaster T16000M for Christmas (thanks, sweetie!) and don't have any problems with throttle smoothness; it's nice & buttery through its whole range of motion. I didn't even notice the front-facing port for attaching a rudder system until your review!
As far as negatives go, I've found the 12 platform buttons (5-16 in the bindings) on the stick to be GROSSLY mushy... their engagement depth is REALLY hard to gauge. IF I actually used these buttons more than occasionally, I'd almost be inclined to return the system to the seller as defective. The top buttons (2-4) on the stick are ALSO more mushy than I'd like, but not to the same degree as the platform buttons.
Also, while I don't have the same complaint about the throttle or stick hat buttons' material quality as you do, I wonder if there's actually a little too much rebound in the stick's hat button. I've been playing SW: Squadrons for the last couple days with the stick's hat bound to power distribution (left for engines, up for weapons, right for shields, and down for normalize), and I've found it can actually be pretty hard to get the power setting to stay where where I'm trying to set it if I'm not a lot more deliberate than I have to be.
All good points BalkanOkami, and it seems from the comments that the "sticky" parts on the throttle are hit and miss. No matter how much that screw gets loosened some people have issues while others have none. Maybe amazon played soccer with my box prior?
...as to the rebound, mine was doing the same thing when I tested it with Squadrons, which is SUPER frustrating as that's a feature that you use ALL the time when changing power systems. Thanks for the comment!
Nyogel works great for adding smoothness and resistance to the 16000m throttle.
Great review man
Thank you VERY much Kahldris :D
Good luck getting your hands on almost anything right now. I managed to find a tflight one, but couldnt find the pedal set for it at a non scalped price right now..
Well, with games like Squadrons, Elite: Dangerous and MSFS being available for cheap right now I'm really not surprised, but it does mean a lot more people will get into the flight sim gaming genre.
The Thrustmaster t.160000m HOTAS throttle is a bit sticky out of the box, it does grab a bit but every other part about it i've found to be spectacular. And if you rest your hand on the throttle in such a way where you put the whole weight of your arm on it, the stickiness goes away. You can also tweak the friction with a screw on the bottom.
Oh for sure was aware of the screw on the bottom re: tightness - but it feels good to know you knew what I was talking about! lol, so that's very appreciated! And it's by NO means a dealbreaker, it was just the only HOTAS that had it...and I wasn't sure if it was maybe just mine. The fact that it goes away is also very good to know, thank you very much for the heads up Childish Karstino - super appreciated :D
With replacement lube, it frees up beautifully. Such a great, simple mod.
Too much lube can also lead to “stiction”.
On the flip thing being missing on the X56, the X56seems to be a copy of the F-16’s side stick and throttle setup (minus the split throttle and the angle of the throttle) and does a pretty good job of replicating it for its price.
...and I kid you not, that flip thinkgie may not even be accurate, but I tellz ya it is so satisfying :D
Thank you for the comment Stürmischer!
The 1600M Throttle was a bit catchy. You need a specific type of gel called "Nyogel 767a". It is rather pricey, but it was super worth it. It makes the throttle a little harder to push, but it is super smooth throughout. Feels a lot more like a real throttle than the floaty/catchy feeling you get out of the box.
I have the whole set with the pedals, and I think it is the best option when it comes to a beginner HOTAS. When I upgrade, I will replace the stick first, then pedals and finally the throttle (I think this is the most serviceable out of all of them.)
I really wish Thrustmaster would include just a little bit of the lubricant (767a is CRAZY expensive in Canada! $80 on amazon.ca !!!) with this setup...even just a little bit. I DO really like that it's modular, and speaking of an upgraded stick...I've got a review for a VKB stick coming up shortly...just sayin' - thank you so much for the comment KhanGirey!
@@barefootgaming6265 Nice. I'm looking forward for the review.
@@barefootgaming6265 How about squrit tefflon chain lube? Slick and clean.
Long ago I bought a Saitek portable flight stick with collapsible feel thinking I could play my flight games anywhere. Never been able to use it more than several minutes because the spring was so loose.
just a heads up that i can say for a fact the hotas 4 has mounting points, mounted mine this morning
apparently this is a relatively recent hardware revision. he showed the older version. something to double-check when buying.
@@colhapablap Interesting! As I double and triple checked, and now I thought I was just losing (more of) my marbles! Thanks for the info Barry and col. hapablab! I'm sure that will be very helpful for others :D
Can confirm mine has two mounting holes on each base
I see a lot of ppl saying they can't find one in stock. You can back-order off CDW. For what ever reason the x56 is cheaper than the x52 on there site. I was surprised to get mine in just 3-4 weeks. Love it. Finally have all the keys mapped for squadron and its 👌🏽
I JUST checked their site...and in Canada they have the X52 and X52 pro available in 3-6 days (no X56 listed here - although availability and pricing I'm sure fluctuates depending on which international version of their site a person looks at) so very good to know Saif Khan, hopefully this will help out other viewers as well - thank you for the comment
Seeing as you’re talking about joysticks it’s quite the coincidence that you look like that pilot from serenity.
I agree
I have a thrustmaster t16000m + throttle as well. I agree the throttle is a little "sticky" but it doesn't bother me. The stick itself is awesome and don't have any sharp problems with it. For 150 euro (180 Dollar as of right now) it's a Great system for me!!
No question it's a solid setup, and THANK YOU for understanding what I meant by the "sticky" bit. It is by no means a deal breaker, and it's really mostly noticable when comparing side by side. Also appreciate you letting everyone know that yours is still working well (as lots of people check the comments when looking for what's the right fit for them).
Thanks for the comment Thijs Wegkamp! :D
you can adjust the throttle on this there is a screw just in front of the handle you use to loosen or tighten it up which in turn fixes' the sticky point its in the manual
I have the TM1600 and used it for about a year now. But yeah, the throttle does get a bit sticky.
I took the base off and lubricated the rails it slides on which worked for a month or so.
Then I removed one of the springs giving tension to the rails which really reduces the resistance and sticking feeling.
Other than that, I really like the stick. It feels far far better than the X52/56,and the hall sensors are far more accurate which makes careful manoeuvres like air to air refueling and landing much nicer.
The T16000M is worthless. It has no buttons.
@@JAnx01 I fly the FC3 planes 100% hotas, and the F18 with the exception of using the keyboard for auto throttle.
You just need to be efficient with your mapping.
If you're gonna compare Logitech vs Thrustmaster, I think you should feature the most relevant Thrustmaster product, the HOTAS Warthog, which is also THE ONE HOTAS that x55 and later x56 were made to compete against on the first place.
BTW, I can provide a couple of IMPORTANT downsides to the X56, having owned one for a couple years now:
1. Ergonomics suck, some buttons are a pretty hard to reach without moving your hand, which is a problem by itself, and a serious one since it denies the basic principle of a HOTAS which is not moving your hand around, and especially on the stick, let's not forget we're talking about a 200-250€ device, and if your precision matters, say you're pointing guns at a target on a dogfight and you need to reach the fire switch, or you're flying close formation and need to trim out the aircraft / spaceship / whatever you're using it in, this can make a difference as it's likelly you'll modify the axis input in order to reach that button.
Not only that, but some buttons are also hard to hit without hitting others in the way, namelly, the pickle switch (button 2 on the stick, marked with an A painted on it) and the trim hat, pickle is hard hard to get without hitting the POV hat (8 way grey hat) because the way it's built makes the POV hat stand in the way when you extend your thumb to reach the pickle switch, this doesn't happen for example, on the HOTAS Warthog, or HOTAS Cougar (tho I think Cougar is not on sale anymore), the trim hat is likewise hard to reach without hitting the 4 way (castle) hat just below it. Throttle thumb controls are also pretty awkwardly placed and will force to lift and shift your hand in order to use them.
It's hard to find a place to rest your right thumb too, because if you use the thumb mini-stick (Axis RX and RY, as well as button number 4 on stick -as the mini stick can be depressed and act as another button-) you'll notice it's really sensitive and thus can't really rest the thumb there without accidentally moving it around. This also means it's really easy to move the stick around when trying to depress it for it to act as button, which also happens for the throttle mini-stick.
Stick itself too is also pretty thick and will put constant strain on the hand, making it uncomfortable, which, added to the weird controls positioning might create some pain after a couple hours of use. ABSOLUTELLY NO GO for long sessions of use.
2. The throttle has a WAY TOO HIGH resistance, even when at the lowest possible friction, it is a bit weird tho, cause it loosens up after moving it a couple times and goes stiff again after like 10 seconds not moving, this, along with the light, plastic quality build of the hotas, makes it so that, unless you have it mounted with screws to the surface it's in, you will push the whole thing forward (or backwards) instead of just the throttle itself if you need to make a quick adjustment after a while of not moving it, for example, if you're playing DCS and have been running on mil power and try to hit full afterburner after getting spiked.
3. The precision of the axis in the X56 is... questionable, for instance, I got the zoom axis in DCS set to the Z axis in the throttle, the rotary axis on top of the right throttle, and without moving it it sometimes starts sending wrong output so my zoom "vibrates" alternating between 2 values constantly till I move it again, this does not necessarily happen near the middle point of the rotary, where the detent is, and thus is not a matter of deazones, is something that may happen anywhere, is also not a DCS problem as it has given me issues in other games too + doesn't happen if I bind a different axis to it
4. The 2 rotaries in the top and bottom of the reight throttle (Z axis, which is the one I mentioned in the previous point, and the one right opposite to it, the other one with a detent and same texture, can, meaning it might or might not, depending your luck in the lottery, come lose, meaning they wobble a bit when moving, and can give a "scratchy" feel when being moved, again, this might or might not come this way depending on luck.
5. The 2 position switch in the throttle (btn 33 / 34, marked SLD) will act really weird on some games, I understand this is not logitech's fault, but there's that to be aware of.
6. Both 8 way button (buttons 24-27) and 4 way (buttons 20-23, the one just above the 8 way) in the throttle and the 2 way hat also in the throttle (buttons 28 and 29), are EXTREMELLY low quality build and have a tendency to get stuck, sometimes being hard to unstuck them.
So yeah, all of this would be forgivable in a casual, cheap stick, but I would absolutelly recommend AGAINST buying this for long sessions of gaming and wouldn't recommend it either for serious / hardcore simmig, but then again, I wouldn't recommend it for casual gaming either cause price is above 200€. If you're going for a more casual gameplay Aim for the T1600 or something similar, if you really wanna dive in hardcore sim, and you REALLY do need a HOTAS, go for the TM Warthog, tho be ready to scratch your wallet not only for the HOTAS itself but also pedals, as TM Warthog does NOT have yaw pitch (however, I'd argue you'd already be buying pedals anyway for more hardcore sims), also TM warthog will probably not do a good job for more arcadey / fast response based games, remember it's a 1:1 replica of an actualy A10 HOTAS and thus it is designed around a different task than most other HOTAS, so not suitable for Elite Dangerous and most space sims, probs not suitable for War Thunder, even for sim battles, as War Thunder does not have use for all the buttons and switches that TM warthog brings to the table, could ofc use it on either game, or in any game, but I wouldn't buy it just to play any of those, ONLY if you plan to fly more serious sims.
Alternativelly, if you want somethign in the middle for around the same price, X52 woudl be a better option, altho I remember there were issues with the models that came after 2007, which is when Mad Catz bought Saitek, which for some reason increased ammount of broken devices out of factory, not quite sure if they ever got fixed.
Hope you found this useful and sorry if I didn't explain myself at some point since Eng is not my 1st language.
thank you lol
@@killswitch6673 np! glad you found it useful!
God dam that is a lot of typing
Awesome video, man. I don't know 90% of what you said since I'm just now getting into flight games (Elite Dangerous) but it looks like the Logitech X52 Pro might be my move forward. Wish me luck!
I wish you the bestest of luck Fehnraal! And many safe flights ahead through the darkness of space!!
@@barefootgaming6265 I picked up my X52 today! I'm no master pilot, but I can now competently control my ship compared to a mouse and keyboard.
@@fehnraal9144 CRAZY what a difference it makes right?!?
@@barefootgaming6265 it's a game changing experience. I don't think I could go back to a mouse and keyboard now.
Thanks again for the video. Wouldn't have found this setup otherwise.
Outstanding review! Thanks!
I'm just super glad you enjoyed it Bosher Plays :D - thank you so much for the kind words!
@@barefootgaming6265 You keep saying something about people's kind words.
@@KingOfTheKindle That would be because I am genuinely grateful for the positive feedback Shaked Halamish - trust me, not everything that is said about me is positive :D
@@barefootgaming6265 why "trust me, not everything that is said about me is positive" though? You literally just list a product's features and say your opinion. What negative thing can they even say? You accidentally forgot a feature?
Thanks... love the motion simulator rig great price as well but import duties into the UK would kill such great kit at the price
Oh for sure you have to keep the import price in mind when ordering from DOF Reality, and shipping as well (although they DO come from your side of the pond as it were :) - Ukraine I believe if I'm not mistaken)
great video, outstanding. Question, have you come across a throttle for the right hand?
Thank you Jeremy - however I have bad news on the right handed throttle. I have looked all over (even though I myself am right handed, I KNOW there are left handed users that would love to find one) and have come up with nothing! Some people run two sticks, some use a mouse for the right hand and use the mouse wheel as a throttle.
...now all that being said, there ARE people who custom make (and sell) right handed throttles, but I've never used them...and I don't know what they charge
For example
forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/39518-throttle-gvl-under-the-right-hand/
Hopefully that's helpful??
I was holding out on getting the x52 for various reasons, but after this review, i ordered it. Thanks for the info
I'm glad I could help Andrew! That was the entire goal...I'm not sure there is a perfect setup, but based on what a person is looking for I was hoping I could help make the decision easier. Thank YOU for letting me know the video was helpful :D
For those that don't know: the throttle for the T16000M has a screw in the bottom to adjust the tension of sliding back and forth. If you loosen it up the jerking stops. It actually talks about this in the manual, but let's face it... none of us read those.
For sure good point Marcus, just unfortunately for me (and it seems others in the comments) no matter how far I loosed the screw under mine the jerkiness just wouldn't go away. Some say after enough time it goes away on it's own and many suggest different kinds of grease one can use...but I'm wondering if it just affects certain throttles and not others. Could be I was one of the unfortunate that got one that was forever "jerky" :)
Either way I appreciate the comment for those reading though!
@@barefootgaming6265 Yeah it's not a "surefire" fix, but it seems a lot of owners don't know about it. I do know the issue has to do with the plastic piece that slides on the rails. You can order custom made replacements with bearings in them that work a "lot" better, and I think they ran something like $10 for the kit.
@@Juvir IF by any chance you have a link to that $10 kit I'd be very appreciative of a link Marcus. I get lots of viewers asking me what options they have that already have the T1600M (after they have tried the screw) and I'd love to point them in the direction of another fix besides rather expensive grease :D
@@barefootgaming6265 I know the other reply is likely in review, but I learned about it through this youtube video originally. Just giving credit where credit is due. ruclips.net/video/68aBez_oa_w/видео.html
Thank you for the video it has realy helped me.
Very thorough review but not a bore, so great job! Which one of these is your go to? Also is there a reason you didn’t mention the prices at all? I think that would’ve been helpful
If we're not putting YOU to sleep at this point Dog Box, we've got to be doing something right! I contemplated listing the prices, BUT right now they are all over the place (not sure if this is a Covid issue - or just low stock driving the price up). For example the X56 ranges right now between $470 CDN - $999 (seriously...it's listed at $999 CDN on Newegg)...if I knew what the prices were before everything went bananas price wise I for sure would have included them :D
Barefoot Gaming thanks for clarifying! So which of these do you use regularly? I’m guessing the flip button one, or the most expensive. Would love to see a video comparing these in squadrons when it comes out.
@@Dogtorbox y'know...right before I fell asleep last night I genuinely remembered that I did not answer your entire question and was going to get back to it...sorry. My brain is a funny place to live.
I actually thought the X56 would tempt me being the most expensive of the bunch...but it didn't. Still using the X52 (and you got it...with the flip up button cover! lol). And thats not to say the Thrustmasters didn't have strong points, just at the end of the day for ME, the X52 hit all the right points (although if the PRO wasn't so hard to find I most likely would have gone that direction).
@@barefootgaming6265 Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 generated so much hype that all HOTAS are out of stock all over the world. You can't get one right now. Everyone who is lucky enough to have a HOTAS right now is price gouging. The X56 is supposed to retail for $250.
@@barefootgaming6265 the X56 retails for around $250 Canadian brand new. Or at least it did when I bought it 4 years ago, surely it's cheaper now, so those prices are insane! I had heard MSFS 2020 had driven up the prices, but I didn't realize it had driven them up that much.
I replaced a piece in the throttle that I 3D printed, ( you can buy this piece online that others are printing and selling ) and put a linear bearing (all cost around 20 bucks max) and it slides smooth as butter now
Very good to know Steven - do you have a link to the thingiverse print? Or wherever you managed to find the piece?
Winter 2023. Need a replacement for my Wingman Extreme 3d pro (that name!!! omg..) So, in this pricerange is the HOTAS thrustmaster T.16000 still best? Should be used for FS2020 and DCS.
Great review love it
I'm very glad you enjoyed it Butanol :D - as believe it or not it was a fair bit of work, and hearing that it helps people definitely makes it more worth it
Nice video, I wish I had seen it before I bought my HOTAS. But I got too hyped for the Star Wars game, and bought one the next day. My T.1600 throttle is smooth to me, but I don't have anything to compare it to. I do wish it had a notch in the middle for reverse thrusting. Eh at least the price wasn't bad. I hope you do a video showing off Squadrons in your sick motion rig. So cool!
I don't blame you in the least - I am SO freekin excited about Squadrons!!! AND the T16000M is a solid setup, nothing to kick yourself over. As to the smoothness, with the one here, if I gently push it with the same pressure...it "hiccups" as it travels. But not having others to compare it to would make it tougher to know what I'm talking about...sorry :)
Looking forward to seeing you in space overseerbrian - are you leaning towards a faction or ship??
If you have the rudder pedals that go with the T16000, those also pitch like a throttle and brake pedal on a car (for airplane wheel brakes) a script can be used to make those forward and reverse thrust too.
Was finally able to find an x56 in stock. I've enjoyed so far for the 3 days I've had to play with it.
Where? I want one desperately!
@@schnellbratpfanne3606
Microcenter.
If you live near one, just keep an eye on their website.
The one near me got 4 in on Friday last week.
I picked one up on my way home from work that night.
I checked again Saturday night, and they were all gone again.
What the heck was that boxing ring video? ...anyhow, it nearly made me choke on my food 😄
Then the boxing video did exactly what I intended Gray! lol - Let me see if I can figure out what the ACTUAL video comes from...I was looking through OLD boxing clips and found it
😂
There is a twist lock on the T16000M. It is a recessed screw at the base of the hand grip..
I completely missed it s1rmunchalot - and I thought I scoured that sucker! Thanks for the heads up!
That screw is for mirroring the grip for the left hand. Although I heard the A320 edition indeed features a twist lock.
Exactly ! I have to add that I've removed the orange led on my T16000 (in a dark room, when flyghing at night, the light of the joystick reflect on my screen) it was an easy process too !
@@DK11359 What do you mean "exactly"? As I said, that screw is for mirroring the grip, not for locking the twist. Read the manual at the very least.
@@getsideways7257 sorry bad english... but it''s possible to manage the grip of the throttle with a screw
love how this got recomended to me after i bought the thrustmaster t16000m
Keep in mind, this is only my personal opinion - I hope you love your t16000m, and from what I've read it has a really good sensor built into the stick? So that's a positive right there :D
Check out ralfidude's review on the t16000m if you wanna feel better about it
the t16000m is the superior stick in terms of button placement, sick movement, and reliability. I have owned both. There is a screw on the t16000m throttle that i think was missed which can lead to the sticking feeling. But you can alsi greece the rails. The thrustmaster is probibly the most usable stick of the bunch. Though I personally recomend replacing the stick with the vkb gladiator nxt.
Bob Lon thx, this was mentioned on the vid that the other guy recomended, i don’t regret buying it now :) (only reason i bought it before watchong revirws is because there eas 1 left in storage in my country because of the shortage
I am loving my x 56 six so far and I agree with everything you said
Hi. I’m thinking to get a new Hotas for Star Wars squadrons. One question: do all of these have (strong) force feedback? I only had a Microsoft sidewinder before that I didn’t touch for 20 years, but I’m looking for something similar to this regarding FFB - plus separate throttle.
None of these in fact have ANY force feedback SmaxFPV...I genuinely don't know what happened to force feedback sticks, but I could not find a single HOTAS setup that still uses force feedback :s
I have my MS Sidewinder Force Feedback from the good days.. shame it only works on old Windows versions 😭
@@barefootgaming6265 Word is there's a company called Immersion Corp that has acquired a lot of patents related to haptic feedback, requiring everyone else to license those technologies from them.
i currently have the Thrustmaster Hotas X (PC Version) and i mainly play elite (just started) i got a great deal on it, 2nd hand but never used it was like £25, that being said, i want to upgrade at Christmas, which do you recommend for mainly elite?? the X52 pro or the t-1600m?? Great video btw, really helpful.
I have an old Saitek ST330 "Rumble Force" joystick. It still works, even after this time, it's close on 18 years old I reckon. These days it won't stay calibrated from game to game, so I'm looking at a new stick. The X52 looks REALLY good to me right now.
That takes me back to my old Sidewinder Force Feedback! Unfortunately mine did not have the long life of your ST330 (although I do miss having force feedback as an option). I've actually been using my old beatup X52 for the last few days playing Star Wars Squadrons and it's still going strong :D
great review, I'd love to hear your thoughts on the logitech extreme 3D pro stick?
T16k has a friction screw on the bottom of the throttle you can adjust to get the throttle to move smoothly or grab if you want. Move throttle full forward, and you'll see a Phillips head screw on the underside. Loosen it a bit and it'll glide. :)
Oh yes Gnomish 8, I found the screw, but for some reason mine still wouldn't glide smoothly all the way through. It had a hiccup spot right in the middle...and others have commented here as well that theirs also had that issue but they got past it with certain grease's (I don't think grease looks right in plural...lol). Obviously mileage will vary, and I'm glad to hear that yours was smooth after adjusting though :D Thanks for the comment Gnomish 8
@@barefootgaming6265 Pro tip: Don't use a grease for this application because it builds up faster, just a mess, and needs to be cleaned more often. Also, do NOT use WD40 because it is NOT a lubricant... it is a cleaner/degreaser. When I hear of people using it to "lube" ball bearing assemblies I can only cringe. What happens when you spray WD40 in the bearing assembly is it's spraying detergent particles and cheap solvent in there. After the solvent evaporates the solvent residue and detergent particles get ground up by the bearings damaging them. Not as much of an issue for the slides of the throttle, but still not a good habit to get into. I recommend using as pure a solvent as possible to clean whatever you're trying to work on (e.g. 91% isopropyl alcohol or the like so after evaporation you have as little residue as possible), then to lubricate and protect use a little bit of light machine oil you can pick up from the local auto parts store (e.g. liquid wrench light machine oil) or a light gun oil from you local gun/sporting goods store (e.g. Rem Oil). You want just enough to cling to the surface, but not run all over the place. Also if worse comes to worse and you don't have the time to clean between each application of oil (which is recommended), you can get away with one or two more light application then clean again. Hope these tips come in handy... Good Luck!
If you're a but savvy with tinkering, they make an upgrade kit for the t16000m throttle that uses linear bearings to smoothen up the slide action. I haven't even received my T16k and I've already ordered the upgrade. All in all, still less expensive than an X56.
You know that chair you were sitting in with HOTAS in elite dangerous? Was the elite dangerous running off the headset and the chair as well? I'm in interested in how that all works...
Oh yes Slyx! I've done a couple of reviews of the motion sim (DOF Reality H6) and I'm using the Valve Index (VR Headset)
Racing
ruclips.net/video/vARsvZARyvM/видео.html
Flight
ruclips.net/video/rgmVFy0lbuA/видео.html
Valve Index review
ruclips.net/video/2CizX6GClGw/видео.html
...any questions I'm glad to help however I can :D
I used a 2ltr coke bottle cap as a spacer on my x52 pro spring, just drilled a hole in it for the post and cut a slit to get it around the post and under the spring
I've actually been considering printing up some mods from thingiverse, as I've heard all kinds of cool jury rigs that people have used. I'm glad to hear the 2 liter cap is working for you Myztkl-Kev! Thanks for the comment :D
My Saitek X-52 Pro HOTAS with pedals is still working after nearly 17 years of hard flying.
Those are good things to hear, as people look through the comments all the time, and I've heard horror stories from both camps. MY Saitek X-52 (non pro) is well over 5 years old at this point and still going strong (and I picked it up used originally!). Thanks for the comment Odee Dillon :D
I love the flippy button of my X52. The only other joysticks I saw with this flippy button cost 3 times the price.
RIGHT?!?!? That flippy button is grossly under represented in the HOTAS market :D
Another time your video help me a lot! You definitely deserve 3M subscribers not 3k, just a matter of time :) Thanks!
Happy to help Tomek! And 3M might be a lofty goal, but honestly hearing from viewers that appreciate the videos make it easier to keep putting them out there. Thank you so much
HI can you tell me if you have gotten the T.Flight one running on MSFS 2020. It wont recognize my steam vr copy.
Hi, thanks for the video!! 2 questions I have regarding the rigs:
- Thrustmaster T-flight Hotas X: Aside from the lack of resistance in the throttle, would you say it's a good build quality? Is it robust and kinda "built to last"?
- X52: Would you recommend getting used one? I'm juggling between getting a new T-Flight Hotas X (or used if I can't find a new one) or a used X52, but I'm afraid of a used X52 may be too beaten up and may not last. Thoughts?
Thanks again!
Those are tough questions Pablo...because I haven't put in the hours and hours on the T.Flight Hotas X to know for sure how long it will stand up to the test of time, but it doesn't feel like the more expensive ones, so "built to last" would probably depend on how often you used it. For casual use I could see it lasting a fair while if you're not too rough with it.
The X52 used is even harder to recommend because it depends how rough the previous user was with it. My Saitek X52 is pretty old at this point and still works perfectly, but mechanical electronics are a tricky thing to buy used, because it may work for a long time, and it might die tomorrow. I feel I was no help at all...BUT if it helps, I actually purchased my X52 used a long time ago (just before I purchased it, I checked it to see if it all looked in good condition, but that was a roll of the dice!)
Good luck with whatever direction you go Pablo!!
I currently fly the T Flight on DCS and I gotta say I feel like it definitely doesn't have enough buttons, especially multi way switches. But for a beginners Hotas it's fine I guess.
@@RANDP117 I used it for over a year on DCS and MSFS before moving to a T16000 .. its downside its too few buttons and no hats on the throttle and just 4 buttons+hat on the stick.
It can be useds however on DCS being a little creative using modifiers.. for example my hat moves the camera (dont have trackiR yet) with CTRL it becames the trim, shift+ becames the TDC , ALT becames antenna elevation and in the hornet shift+CTRL makes it the SCS hat..its a bit clunky to renember but with that i managed to fly all FC3 jets, the F-5 and the Hornet
Really excellent review!
Thank you so much Laurent - it helps to keep putting these reviews out when I hear that viewers enjoy them :D
@@barefootgaming6265 I hope u enjoy it as much as a little flip top button lol
@@laurentsamson8927 ...he says while I try and figure out how to install one on my toilet! :D
nice video, really good overview! i just started in MSFS 2020 and am already looking to upgrade from my xbox controller. the big question for me is: thrustmaster of logitech? i reviewed the comments here and saw that the t16000m fcs has a break in period, and you have to be kind of lucky with the throttle, but that it is more precise than the X52, so i'm kinda stuck in a dilemma. i never owned a flightstick before, so i could really use some advice, my budget unfortunatly doesn't go higher than the X52 pro, but i read that the difference is just in the build quality, and that the X52 pro doesn't have both triggers like the X52 does.
Nice overview! I'm curious which one you actually use day-to-day?
Good question Chris, and at the time of writing this response...it's the X52. I did just 3D print an accessory for it to stiffen up the spring some to see if I like it better or worse, but for the size and shape of my hands, right now it's my go to for day to day use :)
@@barefootgaming6265 Interesting. The X-52 is the only one on the list that I have no experience with. I originally had a Thrustmaster, then added a T-16000M (only flightstick, no throttle), and now I just use an X56...would not go back to my previous setups (although the T-16000M is a good stick)
I highly recomend spending a little more for the VKB Gladiator stick. It has a better gimbal , feels better, and will last a lot longer than either of these.
Whats the best stick / Twist-Throttle combination suitable both for FixedWings and Heli as a Collective (the version with a slider?)
The trick to making the Thrustmaster TWCS is to *not* put it on your desk dead straight ahead. Turn it 5-10 degrees clockwise and suddenly it will work wonderfully.
OoooOooo! Very interesting Mora - why do you think that is? I tried it on my set and it didn't make a difference, BUT I can never be sure if mine is the anomaly as I only have one after all :D
Either way, super appreciate your comment and hopefully it helps others out there with a TWCS!
I have the X56.........we have a love/hate relationship, lol. I have the common "ghosting" issue. It's where either the throttle or the stick will randomly activate a keybind without that button or switch being activated. So I can be mid flight in Elite: Dangerous and my galaxy map will just randomly open or my HUD mode will randomly switch or my heatsink will randomly deploy. I've tried using a USB3 port for the throttle and USB2 port for the stick and vice versa. The only thing I haven't tried yet is buying an AC powered USB hub which is another workaround. But we shouldn't be having to figure out tricks to get this thing to work. But other than that, I do really love it. I mean, you can do 40+ different keybindings with this sucker. And I do use almost every button and switch.
can i use my Logitech g923 peddles as rudders or will i need to buy a specific set?
If you are on a budget, a good joystick for beginner or people playing some retro sims would be the Logitech Extreme 3D Pro. Really good one for the price.
Nice video and thanks! Nice shirt tho!
I have the TM TWCS and was so unhappy with the sticky throttle that I opened it up, modded the hell out of it to use linear bearings and the sticky start/stop is totally gone now. required a 3D printer and some extra purchased parts, but was very disappointed with that part of it.
Because its literally impossible to get anything at a non-scalped price right now, I recently went halves with a friend on the Thrustmaster T.16000M, which can come as a pair for a HOSAS setup so we took one each, so it cost me around £60. I'm glad I got it (because it means I can actually play!), and I have been using the mini slider as a throttle, but it is a limited setup. I'll probably buy the throttle separately once its available, because I can't justify spending 200 quid when I've literally just spent 60, but if I were starting over I think I'd go for something else.
The scalping of HOTAS setups, and even in a lot of places force feedback wheels is really frustrating, and I feel your pain. You are definitely not alone as I get emails all the time asking me where to pick up any of these :s
I dunno about the x52, but the flippy switch cover on the x52 Pro also does a colour-change on the LED when you flip it. Bonus points, no?
Absolutely that gets bonus points Douglas Jackson :D
just picked up a Logitech x-56 Rhino for $160... was that a good deal?
Excellent deal!
I feel like I just watched a HOTAS review from a real pilot, this guy reminds me of Hoban "Wash" Washburn XD
I really want to play flight sims but I know that having a grand dropped into pedals and an expensive stick is always going to beat me. I was never comfortable with twisted the stick for rudders.
That's the trade off I fear Crixus...as more affordable solutions are definitely available, but things like using the twist rudder and throttle built into the stick come with it. The NICE thing is you're never stuck with just the one piece if you buy right, and can keep adding on if you feel you're putting in the time to justify it.
For example I highly recommend you check out my Gladiator NXT review...I REALLY wish I had it to include when I did this review
I own both sticks, about to give the x56 a test this weekend as it was just delivered.
I have the x56 hotas the throttle is ok but i have nothing but problems with the stick! buttons activating or not functioning pinky switch failed! the twist function broke LEDs flashing on and off different colors! I'm looking into a new stick maybe the T-16000m stick! Logitech lied about fixing their problems with this HOTAS! I had the system 2 yrs now for the price cant recommend the logitech system for the money!
Shit, I just ordered a used x56 the blue model too, supposed to have more problems than the grey... Maybe I'll test it then sell on eBay... I paid $160
Is the yaw movement lockable on the x56?
@@BMD8 no
does that flip up on the x52 have a keybind? So could I use it to lock on missiles just by flipping it up and then use the button under it to fire them?
No. It only activates a LED.
I bought my Saitek X52 in 2004 ... played Star Wars Squadrons last night on it... amazing joystick...
My X52 has been pretty busy in Squadrons as well for the last few days, my VR review should be ready for tomorrow (took a bit longer as I've done lots of filming of it in a motion simulator...)
@@barefootgaming6265 I've got the next level racing motion V3... It's totally setup for racing and with my small play space, mounting the HOTAS is really limited.
I'm designing up something in CAD to print for easier mounting. But at the moment its hanging off the hingable mounts I've made on thingiverse.com/thing:2851960
Used to have a similar hotas one set up didn't like it that much when play games like war thunder found it easier to just play with a mouse and keyboard but now that I have a decent pc set up I might consider getting one again if I can find one for sale cheap.
Right now it seems that scalpers are jacking up the prices of HOTAS setups, but for sure they are not for everyone. I have a friend who insists on playing with gamepad only and there is no right or wrong, just what works best for the person playing :)
Thanks for the comment WackoZacko15!