SPOILERS: The thing that bothers me more than anything else, is that Kylo got absolutely wooped by Rey at the end. How are we supposed to buy him as a credible threat, if he gets thrashed by someone who has never even used a lightsaber before, and has only used the force for about an hour???Where's the tension for next time they meet? She will be even stronger then and beat him without breaking a sweat. I think that's a huge problem.
+BanditIncorporated You didn't get that when Kylo had her pinned on the ground and told her she needed training, she did the whole mind-reading thing she did earlier, except this time she took his swordfighting skills?
Well, he seemed to be toying with both her and Finn to start with, all the while he was bleeding out and limping from the shot he took from Chewy's bowcaster (a weapon that was purposefully shown to be much more powerful than a regular blaster). Added to that, Finn managed to land a shot before Rey even started to fight him. He was badly hurt, and she was still fighting on the defensive until she managed to get her connection to the Force working. He also didn't seem to be in a strong place emotionally (at least, that's how it looked to me) so all in all, Rey had every advantage and barely beat him, so it does give the impression that if they face each other again on equal footing, Rey will need a lot of training to survive.
+BanditIncorporated I totally agree. I walked out of there thinking Kylo was pretty pathetic, not at all that threatening. Killing Han was obvious and easy. It's like his powers started off impressive and then turned to mist. As soon as this isolated, forest fight between the three of them started, away from intervention, I knew Kylo was done for because my mind couldn';t help notice it as staged and automatically did a quick calculation as to the outcome in this situation - nope Kylo isn't winning tonight. But when it was over so quick, it seemed, it was almost humiliating but maybe that's the point for further development in the next two Episodes. Adam Driver acted well - the achievements of Kylo as a character were scant to say the least. Bumbling sort of.
+vegetta00 This is actually one of my biggest issues with this film. Snoke is basically a Sith Master type of character to Kylo Ren who is like the new Sith apprentice but only technically. It is like Anakin brought balance to the force by destroying the Emperor and himself as Darth Vader for that whole Sith dynamic to be rehashed in TFA--only they put a different name on it...The Knight's of Ren??? Gimme a break....
+GermanyFan01 Assuming that Grandpa's helmet was vaporized along with the rest of the Death Star, will we next see Ren talking to a Darth Vader pez dispenser?
+Jim Alexander Have you seen the films? Given that Luke at the end of RotJ burns his father in a pyre before it pans off to celebrations of the victory of the Battle of Endor? That was not even a Special Edition edit, that was in the original film.
What are you talking about? The movie is about the new characters, not han. Sorry. Han solo is my fav character, but ive been speculating about his death for months. Was obiwan the main character of the originals? No. This trilogy is about rey, finn, and poe. Leia will just be the mothma general type (not really much screen time), luke will train someone and probably die soon after, and chewy will hopefully stay and be Rey's best buddy and eventually die in a very said death at the end of 9. All of the deaths give more weight to the trilogy, if you really thought or wanted han to be the main character you are insane.
And its kinda obvious han sacrificed himself, similar to obiwan. He went to his son like han solo would. That was his son, not a random villain. He loves him. He approached him knowing he will become his son again and join him, or he will kill him. He was willing to take that chance because he is a real man and knew he had to fix his parenting mistakes that have been haunting him since he left leia.
+Mike Swan Exactly! Rey now has a reason to fight, before she was detached from the world. Han is someone Rey looked up to as a father figure, killing him makes her invloved. It makes her angry at kylo, you know she wants to get even now. Its funny how alot of people dont see that.
I couldn't a agree more. people need to let go of the original trilogy. I'm glad he died the way he did instead of some lame ass story of him retired on some distant planet.
Personnaly i even would have liked leia to be dead for some times in the movies, she was the too much for me, i wanted more of the heros, like poe dammon is non existent!? Event thought is my least favourite She was a bit out of time leia, but i understand fan wanted to see her, it's just don't serve the movie in my opinion
+Maitrī xp personally I think he did a great job making all the fans comfortable with the similarities between this and 4,5,and 6. I think he's done a great job transitioning us to the new chachters
+Amiibler Oh please. What has her voice got to do with you disagreeing with what she says? Does your voice sound like a chorus of angels or something? Something tells me that it doesn't.
There were big action scenes, but overall the movie lacked vision and scope to the effect of any of the past movies. every planet they visited looked like a version of Earth our a planet we've already seen before in other movies. Way too many human characters also.
+Juls Token Couldn't agree more. They played it too safe and didn't add a lot of interesting new elements. Give me something new and memorable on par with Jabba the Hut (not even close with the new creatures)or an ATAT (not even close as far as tech).
I gotta disagree with you about the re-watchability and the action. I was on the edge of my seat almost all the time, expect the TIE Fighter and X-Wing battle in the Starkiller base. Also I love that J.J. didn't heavily choreograph the lightsaber duels. It felt real, and I got a sense of danger and the stakes mattered for me. But, yes this film does play like a Star Wars: Greatest Hits soundtrack, yes I thought if they were gonna kill off Han, he should have died in the sequel.
+Samuel Shin I was only on my seat in the Han death scene even though when he stepped out i was like, oh he is so dead, when Kylo started acting like he was torn, I didnt want Kylo to bitch out and be a good guy. all the trilogies mirror each other, so when Kylo mentioned to Rey that Han is the father you never had, you werent missing out on much. I thought of Qui-Gon Jinn when he became a father figure to Anakin. and in Episode 4 when Obi-Wan became a father figure to Luke. its the tradition that the new jedi has to loss their father figure early in each trilogy, so i was more scared on that bridge that Kylo wasnt going to kill Han. I liked Kylo a lot but i did want him to die though seeing that he wasnt good enough to be Vader and dying in agony, i would of enjoyed that but id like to see him keep going all the same. hopefully Kill Luke and turn Rey to the darkside. I dont feel satisfied by a happy ending i guess haha
I appreciate JJ Abrams for trying to incorporate Starkiller in this movie, name a powerful space station after Vaders apprentice, kind of like honoring him don't you think?
+Samuel Shin I know her saying there wasn't any action made no sense at all, This movie was almost _all_ action. Maybe she just didn't notice it because it was practically omnipresent. You had the raid on the village, you had the awesome Falcon flight through the star destroyer, you had the _Aliens_ like scene on Han's cargo ship, the fight above the watering hole, And of course we had the space battle above the star killer. (Well, it was a battle with space ships inside of an atmosphere) and of course the lightsaber fight between Kylo and Rey. These characters aren't Kryptonians who can be smashed through buildings without, like, dying (I mean we see Kylo Renn in real pain from the blaster shot, we see Rey knocked unconscious, Fin gets his shoulder burned, etc) These people aren't superheros, The Force doesn't prevent you from getting your head caved in. Everybody hated that stupid Zack Snyder movie and the fight in Smallville between Zod and Superman was just a bunch of pointless CG with no real stakes because both of them are invulnerable and Snyder doesn't seem to worry much about civilian casualties.
+Spooder Man - True - same goes for the EU (expanded universe) and they are going their own way with George' Lucas' input. That was the one stipulation he had before he sold off Star Wars to Disney.
Are you kidding me? Kylo broke Disney's streak of terrible villians. The guy has so much more power than any other jedi/sith we've seen. He froze a laser bolt! I'd hate to see his force lightening. I'm looking forward to seeing his story.
***** I agree. In my eyes Kylo is the villian I've been waiting to see. He is obviously not even fully trained. I could see the Vader worship as being something Snoke put into his head. Snoke probably told him how Vader was the most powerful Sith, join me and you'll be more powerful than he ever was. Then Rey comes along and makes him question himself. She's probably the first jedi he's fought. He realizes he isn't as powerful as he'd been led to believe. I think that's why Snoke tells the general to bring him in for more training. Maybe Snoke, knowing how powerful Kylo could be, thats why he didn't complete his training. He knows that he can't defeat a fully trained Kylo. Who knows? At least JJ left us room to speculate, unlike Lucas did with Darth Maul.
+Dinosaur pilot I honestly don't get any of the hate on Kylo Ren. It's so plainly obvious that he's supposed to parallel Anakin in Revenge of the Sith. I'm excited to see him really step into his powers and become "Vader" by Episode IX. And then Han dying? Who cares if Harrison Ford requested it or not? His death is good for the parallels they were going for and it's necessary for the focus to go completely towards the new cast.
+Dinosaur pilot I really like Kylo but I don't think he is the most powerful yet, his training is incomplete and he was still between the dark and the light until the end of the movie, I think the genius thing about Kylo is that we will be following him through his journey of becoming a powerful Sith at the same time that we follow and will be following the journey of Rey towards the light.
To me killing Han Solo was a perfect decision because it's called Star WARS. In real life, in real wars people die. If none of the main characters die then there is no tention during the other fights. If you only kill characters you don't like then you will have no emotional attachment. They have multiple main characters, so that there are still othere characters to root for. You might say that whats the point in adding real things that happen in real life to a fantasy slash sci-fi film. Well basically if you add real stuff like that it can make all of these stories with weirs aliens and planets relatable which makes is transcend fantasy and sci-fi.
LOOOL, My friend said the exact same thing "It can't be that great of a secret place, if one can get to Luke's planet in 2 seconds" and I was just telling her "it's a movie, pretend they cut out 17 days of uneventful travel"
poontang3zizo calling people "morons" isn't that nice. And it's late and I won't go into detail on why assuming a cut always implies a timejump isn't always correct. It also heavily depends on the way you cut it. The cut was too seemless to imply a major timejump. And let's not forget that Grace might have been not too serious when talking about that one scene. It would have been nitpicking on the highest level if she would downgrade the movie because of that. And let's not forget she isn't the only one that thought that for a split second.
As for Han's death, I think it was logical, and necessary. This is a post "game of thrones" world we live in, where beloved characters are picked off left and right. In that light, I think it's okay for a 73 year old Han to die in this movie. And he doesn't die immediately, or in some stupid way. Han is the undisputed old hero in this movie. He is front and center. He is a kind of father/mentor to the younger characters. He's willing to give his life for the galaxy. He dies, in my mind, very bravely, because he's not afraid to face this son of his, who has crazy scary powers. He's also not too cynical or jaded to be a loving father, even after his son has delivered the death blow. He is so redeemed in this movie, and so handing off the torch. But the best part is that Han's reprise, in this movie is not stepped on by Luke. We will spend the next movie with Luke's reprise as a character... without any Han to mess that up either. They know exactly what they're doing this time around.
+Patrick Melody I'm with jeffrey. I think the problem is how he dies rather than the fact he dies. Killed by his emo son while caressing his face? Plus Harrison had been saying for years he wanted Han to die for the cause and become a sort of martyr but I doubt this was what he had in mind.
+Patrick Melody I have mixed feelings about it. On the one hand, it was pretty predictable. On the other hand, it makes sense for the old scoundrel to go out trying to save his son rather than retiring to a quiet life.
+ragnar97 I liked the caress. Without any words, Han told his son that he still loved him and forgave him even after this final act of betrayal. That's going to haunt Kylo Ren even as he marches further into Dark Side.
I believe definitely that is the role he's playing but I wouldn't trust him to train me on account of he didn't or couldn't do shit to prevent his padiwans slaughter
I agree with you as well. Some people are to sentemental about the original actors. As other people said this trilogy is about the new actors not the old.
I don't get why people are complaining about the Rey and Kylo fight. Kylo took a direct blast to his flank from the Bowcaster before the fight, a weapon which was hyped up for being really powerful all film, Han took out 2 stormtroopers with a single shot from it. So Kylo was badly hurt to begin with. Plus it wasn't as though Rey was some amateur fighter, she was surviving alone in a desert for most of her life, taking down multiple assailants at a time, as we saw in her fight in the beginning with those guys on Jakku. Yes she was using a staff then and not a lightsabre but the basics are the same, e.g balance and coordination, when to strike when to block etc. Plus Kylo is a clearly flawed villian, he has ambitions of power but that doesn't make him powerful, not yet at least. Rey showed she had more force power than him earlier when she reversed his torture and read his mind instead, where she learnt that his biggest fear was that he wouldn't live up to Vader's legacy. This makes him an interesting villain as he is reckless and still not fully trained as Snoke pointed out. Also people are judging the fight for not being as well choreographed as the prequels?? Seriously? Those fights were between experienced Jedi knights and experienced Sith lords, Rey hasn't had any force training, she seems to be able to tap into it naturally which means she might become one of the most powerful jedi ever! but at the moment she is not even a padawan let alone a jedi, and Kylo is no Sith Lord, he is a pretender in training, someone who wants to be a sith, he idolizes the sith, but he seems fairly week in the force at the moment. So with him badly injured and her a rank amateur, of course the fight is going to be alot scrappier and not as polished! It would have been ridiculous if it had been a highly choreographed fight! Also Beyond the Trailer seems to think that Han's death was pointless and for purely shock value, but i disagree. Kylo wants to be as powerful as Vader, that is his motivation, he probably thought that such a merciless act like killing his own father would cause him to be drawn deeper into the dark side. This is after all about the future of the franchise, Han was great in this, but he did his job and he did it well, we don't need him for all 3 films, the old cast are passing the torch, to me his death served a real purpose, it cemented the fact that Kylo was truely lost to the dark side, and now maybe he will grow stronger in the dark side and after Snoke finishes his training and he gets patched up, he might become real competition for either Luke or a newly trained Rey in the future movies.
+Rogan Miller I think the better way to look at it is that Kylo is very immature in his training. You can see him act out in anger and it makes him look weak. Or that Rey must be extremely force sensitive. She could either be the daughter of Luke to be more powerful than Lei's daughter. Or she could be the new chosen one to redeem the jedi order, the most powerful since Anikan or what Anikan should have been before turning into Vader.
+Andrew Lin Yeah i agree, Kylo is immature in his training, he lashes out when he doesn't get his own way. He is frustrated that he isn't more powerful than he is given his heritage. It makes for an engaging and unstable villian! I'm not sure yet if Rey will turn out to be Luke's daughter. She thought Luke Skywalker was a myth at the beginning, you could argue that he changes his name like Obi Wan became old Ben, but after Vader and Sideous were defeated there would be no reason for a Jedi to change his name? But saying that the Empire/New order still existed in some form, so maybe he did change it to avoid the attention his name would bring. I'd love it if she was his daughter. If she was abandoned on Jakku at age 4, that would mean Kylo started to rebel against Lukes training at the age of 14, as Adam is 10 years older than Daisy, so that seems possible. But the bit about it that makes the most sense to me is that Anakin was prophesiesed to bring "balance" to the force. you don't get a balance without both good and evil in equal measure. Vader had 2 children who were both good, there is no balance there, but with his grandchildren we have one good and one evil possibly, so the force is in balance once again, prophecy was correct! Or maybe i'm just over thinking this way too much. I can't help it, it feels good to be excited about Star Wars once again!
Rogan Miller My problem with Han's death is it's way to predictable. Like I was sitting next to my friend and called it scene for scene. It was such a non Han solo way to die. No heroic fight to the death, no snarky remark. It was just done so poorly. I actually don't want Rey to be a be related to the skywalker family at all. I want her to have a brand new story line bc of how safe they played it with this movie. It hit all the right spots for star wars fan, and in my mind that was the weakness of the film. There was nothing new to it. Like i felt Like I've seen every scene with different characters in some point in 1-6, mostly 4-6 episodes. I loved it because it's star wars, and to go back into the world of star wars after how terribly 1-3 were done, this was great. But there was no real surprises or a scene that I fell in love with.
+Andrew Lin I understand your point of view but i have to respectfully disagree. I fell in love with nearly every scene, because it was a return to the Star Wars universe i loved, not the mess that was the prequels. Did it scream of familiarity? Yes because it IS the same world. Tie fighters are fighting x-wings, there is a den of villainy filled with all sorts of weird aliens, but does that make it unoriginal or does that just enforce that this is the same universe at the originals? The only bit that did annoy me was the new death star, they could have come up with something new i agree. But apart from that i thought it was all new and interesting. The characters were what made it new and they were placed in a setting we all know and love. We have never seen a stormtrooper questioning his superiors in the empire before, we have never seen a villian who was this nuanced before, we have never seen a strong female character who actually fought her own battles rather than be saved by the men around her. You could argue that Rey's abandonment on Jakku was too similar to Lukes on Tatooine, but it makes complete sense if she does turn out to be his daughter. He knows that this technique of abandoning a child on a desert planet would mean she would grow up out of the eye of the empire because it happened to him! If she turns out not to be a skywalker then i agree with you that this would be too similar to a new hope, but i hope she is lukes daughter. They did play it safe in this movie, but safe is good, safe is letting us know we are back in the universe we love. They can then build on this safe start to go into new story arcs for episodes 8 and 9. Now about Han's death. Again i'm afraid i have to disagree with you. Han isn't the same man he was 30 years ago, you have to understand that he is now filled with guilt that his own son is going around the universe slaughtering innocent "people". There were times in the film were he was back to his jokey space pirate ways, but he now carries a heavy burden. He wouldn't go down in a space battle with a snarky remark, he wins every battle. The only way he would be willing to lower his defenses would be with someone he still loved, who he thought he could talk around. I didn't think it was done poorly. Han was stepping onto that walkway knowing full well what might happen. He knew his son was now evil and that he might kill him, but he knew also that this was going to be his only chance to reason with him. Han felt guilty about what he had created, so it was worth risking his life to try and put things right. There is nothing stronger in the universe than a parents love for their child. Vaders love for luke eventually pulled him back from the dark side. So Han knew he had to try to bring Ben back from the dark side. He was under no illusion that this might cost him his life, but it was his duty to try. It would have completely destroyed the moment if he'd made some joke or quip, a simple touch to the face was enough to let his son know that he forgives him and that he still loves him. It was a perfect moment for me, and it is one that will play on Kylo's mind. Was it a bit predictable? Yes I suppose it was, but that diminish the emotion of the scene for me. Han's death provides so much motivation for Rey and Finn to hate Kylo, and it provided the act that Kylo hoped would bring him closer to Vader and draw him deeper into the dark side.
Timothy Bradford It's not a perfect movie, i'm not arguing that, i can only go by how i felt watching it and to me it was a fun thrilling ride of a movie, full of nostalgia, humor and intrigue. It can only be viewed in context once the other 2 are finished as there are loads of unanswered questions, but that doesn't make it bad, that just made me want to know more. Can you elaborate what the flaws are you noticed?
Your absolutely right.. I think Where she goes off the wagon is in not seeing or fully understanding the story justifications for his death and then somehow rationalizing that Disney should not of allowed this to happen after they paid so much money for the rights to Star Wars. She attacks the decision to kill Han as a decision not made in service to the story but then somehow in the same breath laments that Disney would not put Han in the second film and what a poor business decision it was . So an argument to throw Han in the second movie is to make Disney more money?? That isn't a decision made in service to the story... Disney bought rights to all things STAR WARS not just to Han Solo. Disney would much rather prefer the franchise successfully introduce a young cast of new heroes who can bring the story forward well into the future. Continually having to rely on a aging character in his mid 70's would of been a terrible decision... Ok my rants done.
+Lui s Agree. Han's death makes sense in Kylo's decision for the dark side. It isn't as extraneous as indicated. It wasn't as well directed as it could have been but it really does make sense for Ben Solo/Kylo Ren.
Kylo Ren has become one of my favorite characters. I think his struggle with the dark side and how it defined his character was great. I also think the character still has a lot of potential going forward because there's so much you can explore. Sad to hear you didn't like him so much, Grace :(
I liked him too. I found his struggle and just how loss he was to be interesting. I didn't interpret his meeting with Han as a ruse but that there was a chance he might not kill him.
+thegodmachine i think he was about to give into han and potentially rejoin the 'light' but with how he had asked the helmet he has of vader to show him the power of the darkside, that when the starkiller station finished absorbing a f*#$ing STAR! he saw what he needed to know about the power the dark side can bring, and basically had a relapse. so no i dont think it was a ruse either
Apparently I'm in the minority here, I thought Hans death was well done and was good for the franchise. It helped kylo character, helped the focus to be on the new characters and gave the movie a memorable moment. Kylo was a character still in transition, killing his father was a huge step towards the dark side (which he was still struggling with). This movie itself was a transition from the original trilogy to the sequels. This movie really was Hans movie, so his death allows it to move on to the new generation. Ford might have wanted it to happen, but within the story, i think it works really well.
Also in defense of Han not talking at the end, I liked that. He always had a one liner, not saying anything was probably the most honest he's ever been in the movies.
For once I agree with you on all fronts Grace. Except...I'm not quite giving up on Kylo-Ren yet. I think we'll see he and Rey throughout their training as the trilogy moves on (which should be interesting). I like the temperament he expresses indicating the dark side within him and it should only magnify going forward. 7/10 for nostalgia
+The Lords Chosen Glad we agree this time! And okay, I'll agree, I'll keep the door open for Kylo just a smidge! :) If Johnson can add some more depth to his character, it might work out after all!
+Beyond The Trailer You know...now that it's soaked in a bit, I gotta dissect some things that didn't connect. 1st Didn't the first order learn anything from the empire? I'm fine with a death star 2.5 but with the same vulnerabilities?? And it allowed the falcon to land on the front lawn raising no alarms, allowing 3 people to infiltrate, take THE storm trooper captain hostage as she so freely drops its shields? I understand holding back on explaining certain things to hold onto the magic but gawdamnit just a tad more thoughtfulness, please......Alright, ok I'm cool now.
+The Lords Chosen The Resistance thought it had the same vulnerabilities and they found out when they attacked that was insanely wrong. The thing they needed to take out was so well protected it too an act of sabotage to open it up for attack. The Starkiller was a real planet that had been rebuilt into weapon instead of a weapon built to be the size of a small planet. They also came right out of hyperspace and under their radar, as Finn pointed out. And Phasma probably thought/knew that anything the Resistance could bring was too little to take out whatever their target was.
+twoyorehel z I agree with the Kylo-Ren part. I left the theater wanting to know more about his path to supreme leader Snoke. Kylo is what young Anakin should have been in the prequels. I loved Kylo's unhinged anger and look forward to see his full path to the dark side. A believable downward spiral unlike Anakin's.
I think they are going to kill off each of the original three main characters (from the original trilogy) in each film moving forward. This is so they can make the new characters more relevant.
SPOILER'S! Save the franchise? In my opinion, what they did to Han was in NO way damaging to the franchise, and I didn't really have a problem with it.
i agree, his death actually helps setting up the kylo ren character for future movies. and seriously, this girl says some absurd things in this video...
Sooo Snoke is Darth Plageus with a dying body, prepping Kylo Ren as a new host? Seemed to be where they were going. Andy Serkis certainly grabbed my attention with his performance
I've never been a fan of these reviews, it's criticism with almost no merit. The audacity to imply that J.J. Abrams and all the dedicated Star Wars fans working on this movie would solely make a decision about the fate of a pivotal character on an actor's misgivings? No, of course they did it in the interest of the story. It makes sense, Han's story is finished, he's an amazing character, but there is no point in dragging out his arc just because he's "the face of Star Wars". These movies should be compelling without relying on iconic characters to carry them. I understand it's upsetting that he's gone but it seems like calling his death a bad storytelling decision and cheap just seems unfair. I thought the scene was brilliant, it established the primary villain and gave us a reason to hate and feel sorry for him, as well as saying farewell to a character that needed to pass the torch and give a certain finality to the story, which could've easily also been done at the end of "Empire".
+Alex Garcia honestly to me...Han Solo dying never once bothered me...EVEN after some jackass drove by a group of us walking into the theater yelling out the window "HAN SOLO DIES"...I actually thought that scene was kind of iconic for a new movie....the shit that bothered me was all over the place...like that AWFUL scene where Han Solo encounters some old enemies who he owes money too....it just felt SO unnecessary, dull, and that's the only time that CGI became SO noticeable and SO overused that it became just incredibly annoying to me. Han Solo's death was meaningful and fit the story well....that other bullshit I just mentioned was just a complete waste of time. It could have been cut entirely from the movie and it wouldn't have changed the plot ONE BIT.
+shakk3n The borrowing from the New Hope did hurt the movie a whole lot. That said, I disagree with the notion that Kylo Ren killing Han, and Kylo Ren being a confused character, ruined the movie. I think all of the new characters were compelling and interesting, and were really the saving grace of the movie.
ugh humans leave Grace alone! This is a film review, which means a person's sole opinion. You dont have to agree with it. Or unless you want her to just speaks whatever the fanboys want to hear?? thats not a review, thats pandering, and youre looking at the wrong place for that.
+Tim Tran If you post a review online, you're entering into a discussion. I'm sure Grace realizes this, and is fine with differences of opinion, when, and only when, they're brought up in a respectful manner.
Tahkyn yes, thats true. but i was expecting the same thing from other people. but if you look down, theyre all attacking her for saying what she thinks. which isnt what they should do. thats not a discussion. thats hating on others because they have different opinions. shes not even saying she dislikes it. she likes it, but just with problems. but they still attack her anyway.
+Tim Tran i dont see any attacks. just people telling her why they think she's wrong. She has a right to an opinion, but everyone else also has a right to their opinion about her opinion.
People can have their opinions. Obviously it makes sense that grace is upset that Han died because she liked his character so if she stated all that that would be fine. But to state there's no story justification for it is just plain wrong. In fact Hans death wasn't just justified by the story and warranted, it HAD to happen. Especially given the amount of screen time and significance given to his character in this movie.
So wait, you're annoyed that Harrison Ford is old, wants to retire and so they gave him an ending rather than just sending him off into the sunset, or not using him at all? Weird and to a certain extent selfish as a viewer.
+Matt Green yeah, and it was the most epic of endings for him in terms of story. A true tragedy as I wrote on another commenter. Killed by his own son, who was trained by Luke, who is now the champion of the dark side. That is some heavy epic shit. Han Solo, even before his end he does not run away from a "fight". He is in the thick of it to his last. Perhaps this was his character evolution and karma. A guy that cared about no-one, always looking out for his skin and waiting for the chance to escape or fly off, gets attached, begins to feel for friends and people, becomes the hero. His end, came from him not fleeing, and from feeling too much now, for the one person he could really feel for. What an epic ending to his tale.
+Matt Green I would respectfully argue though, that as fans we are a little entitled to selfishness when it comes to our fandom.. I don't feel bad for wanting Harrison Ford to stay on for the other two movies, (or at least one more). And he's not retiring from acting all together (at least as far as I/imbd knows), so I don't see why he couldn't stay on for another movie or two. That's my two cents any way.
linemoren because (unless I am mistaken) SW fans have annoyed the shit out of him for so many years. He has done so much work and been in so many films and being recognised mostly as Han Solo becomes annoying. He probably had a lot of fun doing this project, and more than he thought he would, but I can also bet he is even happier to leave it finally behind him and say "there, Han is DEAD". You seen any interviews with him? "Who shot first?" "I don't... care!" That is the response of someone that can't be bothered with all these crazy fandom bs. He doesn't care. It was a paycheck. He is a human being and 30 years of this going on was enough for him I think. He handled his last appearance grandly I would say and finally embraced it. In a sense I think he completed a personal circle in his career as well. That is why he couldn't stay for another movie or two. Getting him back for the one was already too much for him to say yes to initially. And that should be even more understandable I think. As the actor whose portion or side to his career has been ruined from all these crazy fans, I would respectfully argue that he is entitled to more selfishness than the fans.
+Matt Green I thought it was fine. The new movies should be about the new characters. He had a pretty good death - he was trying to help his son. I just hope they don't bog down the other movies trying to save the whiny Kylo.
You lost me with the "when THEY decide to go with a black comedian..." part. Why does it make sense to type cast when it comes to the black actors? Kevin Hart? Give me a break. And yes, mixed couples can exist without them being forced. Don't know why this needs to be pointed out. I'm black, my wife is caucasian. And believe it or not, we don't feel weird together and our chemistry isn't "forced." Why would that be the case with two good actors of different races when they are well directed? Why is that a predisposition for you? That part was just dumb. WTF?
+jbgainesii At this point I just think she likes being controversial just for the sake of it and to have people talking, she always finds "wrong" things where there aren't any.
***** Yeah, this confused the hell outta me. I mean it's 2015. Are we still taken aback seeing an interracial couple to the point that it has to be pointed out. Our friggin President is biracial. My goodness. You're right, I have watched a TON of reviews and NO ONE brought up the lead character's race and potential romance. It's silly.
+Mizzah Tee thats the world we live in mate' suprised no latin american/hispanic american went to protest poe dameron stealing a tie fighter and suping up his x wing lol
Couldn't agree more with this movie. I'm not even shocked at the Liked/Dislike ratio, fanboys are fanboys and star wars is star wars. But yeah I totally could not agree more with you on pretty much everything covered here.
+BenG That's great and all, but it's going to be a bit embarrassing for you guys, when The Force Awakens is nominated for Best Picture. So keeping it "real," is just a matter of opinion I guess. Although Man of Steel (a movie with "rewatchability") did win a "Teen Choice Award" for "Best Male Hero." I guess some people just like looking at muscles, regardless of character.
Sir Lancelot Mcbutt You got me. I am in awe of the selections. It's mind boggling. Forget Star Wars. Ex Machina is one of the most brilliant sci fi films to come out in years, a FAR better movie than The Martian, which is a "good" movie, but perhaps the most overrated movie of the year. Ex Machina is everything you want from a film. It should be taught at film school. At least they recognized it for "best original screenplay." The Martian, which goes on about Matt Damon bitching about disco music and other tired cliche lines of "comedy" is no where near as a good a film as Star Wars or Ex Machina. Now I know why it was selected as "best comedy" at the Golden Globes, because this is a joke. It is a good adaptation from a very good book, it is not a thrilling piece of work as a stand alone film. It can't touch Star Wars or Ex Machina with a 20ft pole. These award shows are becoming dumbed down, due to criticism of how the Academy judges are "out of touch" with the common moviegoer. This move is purely political to show how "in touch" they are. They avoid Star Wars, because it is too popular, they avoid Ex Machina, because it is not popular enough. "But wait, look, ah, there is the perfect statement to make, a universally agreed upon "solid" movie that most 'common moviegoers' enjoyed. Yeah, pick that one, that'll get our reputation back on track." Oh well, anything that deals with money becomes corrupted eventually. The Martian isn't 1/10th as fun a ride as Star Wars. Nor does it tell 1/10th as good a story as Ex Machina.
***** Thats what you recall? Hmm lets see. Episode 3 got 79%. Not exactly amazing. I thought it sucked. People gave 65%. Again not exactly amazing numbers. Episode 2 66% and only 59% from people and the there is Episode 1 that only got 55% and only 60% from people on rotten tomatoes. So you were saying about those high scores... Uh huh. My original comment was more towards the lady taking stabs at JJ Abrams and that clearly the work he didnt on this movie wasnt bad at all. So far it looks at least good. Maybe not great or perfect but good at least. Unless everyone dropping a comment on my first comment is trying to say that the movie sucked. Then thats a different argument
I loved how Ben solo would completely trash the room he was in when he got angry and you see the two troopers turn around to avoid him lol great character imo.
I'm not really annoyed by Ford going down... we all knew this was coming and if you didn't know your very naive and almost child like lol. He's so old, how long was he going to be witty and fly the falcon, guarantee people would have been calling for his head if he survived until late ep 8 or 9 anyways. Love Han Solo but his time has come. The biggest problem this movie is going to have is nothing is enough... the people want a whole trilogy in one movie and every question answered... not gonna happen in the first of three.
+nydabeats ok, but you don't have to kill a character, you can also let him go away, and no one has heard from him anymore. Like in 'and they lived happily ever after...' Killing is so definitive. And now when I see the older movies, I always think, yeah, Han Solo is the hero now, but I know he is going to die in a nasty way in a couple of years....
allis one theres no way han could just go away somewhere in the midst of a new story and the fans be ok with that.. you can say the same thing with all the characters.. realistically they would all die at some point would they not? I think its better for them to die on screen at a crucial point to set up more character motivations in the future... Now you have a reason to hate kylo.. I disagree with grace, she titles this FUCK KYLO REN and says this movie suffers from a villain problem idk about that
+nydabeats Well, maybe you are right, and my wife feels the same as you so who am I to argue...lol. It is just that I like an open end. In the books of the Lord of the Rings the Appendices describe the exact future of the members of the fellowship, all very positive, Sam being major for a dozens of times for instance. For me, I did not have to know that, even if it was positive. Hope you have a good time at the movie, in case you did not see it yet !
I feel you man, in some cases it is better for an open happier ending. Who knows if they made the right decision, we wont know until we see ep 8&9 and we really want a han solo scene or some dialogue alluding to him. I get it, now he's just dead... Its the easy road for the writers, gets harrison out of the franchise like he wanted and sets up some other story arch. I could only get good seats for monday, So I got a few days until I actually see it. Thanks man, always good chatting about star wars!
What if they killed Han liked this: *Kylo stabs Han, and Han puts his hand on Kylo's face* Han: I love you, Ben, Kylo: *Stares menacingly* I know. *Stands without emotion as he falls off the catwalk, giving no fucks.
would have been so lame if Han said something funny before he died, it was a giveaway he was dying months ago with the Young Han Solo Movie coming. Harrison Ford has wanted out since Empire, sucks he feels the way he does about Star Wars because having him in Episode 8 would have been the right move.
Killing him in this film meant we got Han Solo in Episode 7. Otherwise they'd of had to have Han die off screen prior to TFA and that would of been shitty.
she beat Kilo because she Dan near marred the force in a couple of days with no training whatsoever. She had help beating him by him being injured, but none of that could've happened without that unrealistic leap in believability
+Juls Token His saber training is clearly lacking and remember his training isn't completed yet. His training probably focused on force abilities more than dueling. He will probably be a much better duelist in the next movie.
+superfinevids Also Kylo was pretty much the only active Jedi in the galaxy at this time so Kylo had no lightsaber experience against other lightsabers
I know this was 5 years ago But I totally agree with your comment WTF is Grace talking about? Killing Solo was the best thing this film did - both thematically rich in terms of the Kylo Ren character arc, but also important in terms of separating the Sequel trilogy from the previous films So yea, I don’t agree with anything Grace says here
The way you have reacted to the Kylo/Han scene is exactly what JJ wanted. We got to understand him as a villain before and now we get to hate him and I don't agree that it was bad for the franchise because it completed Kylo's transition to the dark side like Luke never did in Return of the Jedi. Also who wants to see a grumpy Harrison Ford be lugged about for two more movies, he went out o
In Hans two moments with Leia where she says “bring our son home” each time he has a look that I feel is him knowing something dire is coming and the attempt will be futile. I don’t think he totally expected to get shafted but he knew he was toeing the line, and and I think he did it for his son to move forward and not be torn apart
This is one of the worst reviews i have ever seen...Han needed to die think about it. I really hate that you basically hate everything. This movie was great, think a little bit more into it. Also, it is fine that it is like new hope, who cares. It did a lot of things differently
+charlie arpin dunno man I see a smart chick here with glasses, wait is that blonde.... nvm men of steel comparison wtf... might as well compare this movie to I don't know Batman and Robin 1997
+charlie arpin I agree, the movie was great. Kylo is such a interesting character with so many emotional layers. Same with her saying that the tease with luke at the end was a let down, nooo it was perfect! i left the cinema wanting more and that is how it should be. She basiclly wants the entire trilogy in this single movie, there is coming two more!
+Truls Olav Too right! Leave Luke for the next episode. To bring all the old characters in together would mean they would be crowding each other out for screen time. Harrison Ford gets to steal the show and bow out gracefully, Mark Hamill can take over in Episode 8.
SPOILER: I hated the movie. One of the things I hated about the movie was Rey. That was the most rushed character ever. We come to know her as someone who only heard some vague stories about Jedi and knows very little about them and even had doubts about them and the reality of the Force. Never in her life has she ever even laid eyes on a lightsaber. When one day she happens to see one she literally runs away from it. Then when confronted by a man who is clearly competent with using the Force, who has been trained to use a lightsaber, who was actually trained by Luke Skywalker himself (Kylo Ren)....for some bullcrap reason she summons the power of the Force like a master and fights with skill and finesse and defeats a trained force user. Rushed. Phony. Absolute crap. In the original series Luke didn't become a powerful Jedi as a deus ex machina. He gets a little training from Obi-Wan. Then a lot of training from Yoda. He tries to stand up to Vader and Vader basically plays cat and mouse with him and defeats him. Luke goes back for more training (though he's told at that time he's done with training). It took 3 movies before he got up to snuff to pose a threat to other trained Force users (Vader and the Emperor). Rey does it in just a few minutes time. Crap. Crap Crap.
+Wiser InTime totally agree with you and what i have been saying. Fanboys will not accept any criticism though. Daisy Ridley actually did a great job but writers ruined her character, they really did. One of the cool things about Darth Vader and Luke was watching them progress as jedi, watching them learn how to use the force. The way they handled Luke in original trilogy was perfect, in first movie he could hardly use the force, in second he was trained by Yoda but was yet not fully trained and then by 3rd film, he was powerful. Rey just became a powerful jedi without knowing anything and without any training. So what will luke teach Rey in episode 8? 'oh, you are already as powerful as i am Rey, you train me please' So dumb and cheap but i guess i'm not a young kid anymore and this movie was pretty much made for younger generation. I guess the idea is - make the new generation more powerful than the past, new kids will love it. JJ and writers were thinking box office $$ and making a better throughout out, better written movie took a back seat.
+raiyzo “spades” jr I'm a huge fan (fan boy if you like) but this film just left me feeling flat. I can't believe that so many people who did nothing but complain about every minute detail of the prequels seem to absolutely love this movie. I was only disappointed in Ep 1 but I really enjoyed all the rest of the movies. This is the only movie that I absolutely hated. All the previous films made me want to see t hem again and I saw them multiple times in the theaters. I have absolutely no interest in seeing this movie again. Once was enough.
+Wiser InTime But it seems like you're comparing Kylo Ren's skills to that of Darth Vader's. We don't know at what stage he went all emo during the training with Luke. And he's obviously still very unstable. For me, I saw a couple of things when Rey fought Kylo Ren in the woods: 1. Kylo Ren had the overhand most of the time, until Rey started to going into another state of mind. Rey was basically throwing a few strokes and then ran away. 2. Kylo Ren was badly wounded by the shot from Chewie. 3. Kylo Ren had just killed his father. 4. Kylo Ren knows how to use the force, but is not at all fully trained. Snoke confirms this a few times. Also, bare in mind that no one fought like the jedi masters/sith lords do, not from the prequels, nor from episode 5/6. I'm sure this will improve throughout the movies, as the characters improve. With all of this in mind, I definitely see it as less crap than you did and actually more believable.
+Erik Blomqvist I agree they didn't show any virtuoso type fighting like in the prequels. That was a time where the Jedi were fully established, organized and training Jedi from the time they just little toddlers. Literally life long training. I'm glad they didn't show that level of skill. I don't mean to compare Kylo's skills to Vader's but Kylo did have some serious skill. They guy was freezing blaster rounds mid air and holding them there without seeming to concentrate on it at all. He did stuff like that effortlessly while he talked with other characters. He froze Rey in place too. He's a deeply disturbed guy but he was no slouch. Maybe Snoke though he needed more training but Kylo was powerful and doing stuff not seen in any other movie. But what I'm more critical of if Rey's speed of development. It's like sitting someone in front of piano who's only ever heard of a piano but never actually saw one then in about 5 minutes time is skillfully playing music. Way too rushed. She doesn't need training...she just needs 5 or 10 minutes of "I bet I can do this" and walla! She's doing Jedi mind tricks, using the Force to move objects, sword fighting and winning all the way. Finn was defeated by Kylo and Finn is a trained warrior. Rey was a tough cookie but not a trained fighter. In most of the Star Wars movies they talk about training. They've established this is stuff that takes time to develop. Rey doesn't need time. She just wins by showing up.
Wiser InTime it was total BS and i laugh at the ones trying to defend how JJ made a mockery of the force by having Rey master mind control, moving objects and a lightsaber so easily... she not only had no training, she didn't even know what the force was. The people defending this are not true star war fans, impossible. True star war fans have an appreciation of the force and what it takes to learn it's ways, it's a power that is not easily mastered. Leia herself has the power, yet can't do anything cause she wasn't trained. Luke took 3 films to master it and Anakin (who in the prequels was said have more power than even Yoda) couldn't do what Rey could do until he received training. They really didm;t respect the force in this movie, they made it something that felt cheap and easy... why did they do it? For little kids... that's great but they should've struck a balance between kids and adults...
You talk too much. You complained too much. Very annoying to see. The millenium falcon chase in jakku was very memorable. Kylo vs Ray fight also memorable. Did you see the same movie ??
+Tylord The Great the whole mask? Like the front of it looks cool with the hood. But when you take a full look at his mask entirely it looks ridiculous
Without the hood it looked weird, and maybe it's just me but the unmasking was way too anticlimactic. Is he such a Vader groupie that he wears a mask and voice changer just because old wheezy did? Wannabe Vaderling.
I'll be honest here. I LOVE Star Wars and all but honestly this movie is just good. It basically a retread of "A New Hope". A nostalgic trip with good writing, but it doesn't really offer anything new. At least the prequels tried to do a lot of new stuff. Plus, I am kinda miffed about what happened to Finn.
I agree. Say what you want about the prequels, but Atleast they tried something new. Yeaah maybe the new stuff wasn't always the best, but it was New nonetheless
+Egie Asemota Episode one is a much more coherent, much more well fleshed out, totally ORIGINAL movie. This movie is just a cameo filled rehash filled to the brim with way too much fan service. Such a let down.
+Egie Asemota If they wanted to make a good nostalgic trip, then they should have done a better job making us feel good, but they did not. It left me with a mixture of sadness (for Han Solo's death) and anger for Kylo Ren.
+Geekdom101 Agreed, and I thought the cantina scene could have been 10 to 20 seconds longer, just to show all the weird aliens. Was too rushed. And Rey, in the beginning being alone, I would have had her having a short conversation with another scavenger about her situation.
+Geekdom101 Well it was established that, the attack on Jakku was his first mission before than he only worked in sanitation. The complete massacre that occurred, plus how TERRIFYING Kylo was. I would have dipped too! Plus he was taken away and doesn't have an identity. I don't know it worked for me.
I see that the butthurt fanboys are out in full force on this review. This is just like The Dark Knight all over again. If you think a movie that the lemmings love is bad, then you automatically need to be put in your place. The movie simply wasn't that good. It was a lesser copy/paste of the best elements from Ep. IV and V. Maz Kanata was a lame version of Yoda, Kylo Ren is a whiny version of Darth Vader, Deathstar is a Death Planet this time, etc. There was no need to kill off Han Solo and if you really wanted to kill off an original character let it be someone like Luke in either Ep. 8 or 9, not Han Solo in the very first outing. This film seemed to want to play its best cards in one go and splurge on all the best things that we remember from the three original films and for that reason it didn't feel as earned and the characters didn't have a believable progression. Killing Han Solo just to give way to the "new generation" would be like killing Indiana Jones so he can pass the torch to Shia Lebeouf or whoever, it feels cheap and cliche at this point since we've that sort of thing already with Obi Wan. Not everything needs to rhyme. Ultimately it was better than the prequels (which isn't saying much) but is still nowhere near as good as any of the original three. This film had some serious scripting issues, pacing problems and rushed character development. It's funny how the defenders will refute any criticism by saying, "it's assumed that _______" or "the film hints at ______". No, that's not a good way of excusing a film's flaws. The same people who say that are the same people who criticized films like Prometheus on similar grounds of not explaining everything enough. Many things in this film simply don't make sense and we're all supposed to throw logic to the wind because it's Star Wars. Never mind of course that the original three didn't have any of these issues at all and things were explained in context of the story not in awkward exposition or baseless speculation. 6.5/10 on this one.
+SINATRA303 This is exactly how I feel after I left the movie theater. Every point you bring out is what I felt after watching the movie. I couldnt put it in words, but you successfully described what I felt point by point. i definitely felt the pacing problems and rushed character development as I was watching the movie. As a true Star Wars fan and a realist, ive had in my mind the possibility that these new movies would not live up to and even expand to another level from the originals. For a moment I thought that this movie would not fall into the shortfalls of remakes and the Jurassic Worlds but it did. Not going to deny that there was some good acting and the script was better than that of the prequels. The Millenium Falcon /Tie fighter chase in Jakku was an awesome scene. But yes definitely 6.5/10. Now going to rewatch the originals now...
+SINATRA303 yup, there seem to be lots of QQ cry much Star Wars fan in the comment, this is Interstellar all over again. Sad really.....at this point anyone who say Star Wars is not a PERFECT movie it's a sin and fanboy will burn them in hell lma.
When Ray got kilo ren on the ground at the end of their battle a guy at the front if my theater stood up, shook his fist, and yelled "FINISH HIM!" Kilo is officially dead to us
HOW THE FUCK IS KYLO REN LIKE ZUKO?! He has just made himself an irredeemable threat. The way I see it, Kylo Ren will be the Azula rather than the Zuko. Rages and complains when he doesn't get his way, a perfectionist who refuses to see things any other way but his own. Too confident in their own power. Yeah that's Azula and that's also Kylo Ren. The only difference is instead of mommy issues he had daddy issues.
Kylo Ren First off, Zuko was anything but spoiled. He had a good heart, and was trying to do the right thing. But his father was an ass hole and burned his face for trying to stand up for what was right. Since then he was unsure what was right or wrong because he was abused by someone he thought he could trust and love. The anger came from his feelings of uncertainty. He didn't understand what he did wrong. Because he didn't DO anything wrong and was punished for it anyways. The difference here is Zuko was always a good person. All he wanted was love and acceptance, but his family (his father and sister) messed him up. Made him feel in order to achieve their acceptance he had to capture the Avatar. He learned he shouldn't HAVE TO gain love and acceptance from people who should already love you. That's why he decided to leave...that and his dad was going to commit genocide. Kylo Ren WANTED to be part of the dark side, and it seems to me, his family (other than his grandfather) had nothing to do with it. To Kylo Ren his feelings toward his family was a hindrance to his progression so he got rid of what was keeping him from moving forward. Zuko never killed his father, no matter how cruel, how terr able Ozi was the worst thing Zuko did was imprison him.
+Reegan Riddiford I think it's great. Not only is he the villain now, but we as an audience genuinely hate him. That's genius. I mean, otherwise he's just a boss to beat; but now, now he's hated, for real, in a good way.
The only one that knows that is Luke. We know from new EU comics that are canon that propaganda was made saying the Emperor didn't die. Likely the same was true for Vader, especially his allegiances.
Grace, would Harrison Ford's performance be as good if he knew he would be in more Star Wars Movies? I doubt it as he has a habit of mailing it in when he is not inspired by the project. He clearly isn't a fan of Star Wars and knowing he wouldn't be locked into many film made his performance better
+Delboy0 Harrison Ford is just a Dick now.. Has been for over 10 yrs. or so.. he thinks he's above the law & treats all his other cast members w/a JERK attitude.. I called it back when they first showed the trailer.. HF will be the first to jump ship!
kentkatchem I'm personally surprised he was even in the film given his hatred of Star Wars he has expressed over the previous decades. Disney must have given him a massive contract for him to appear given his dislike of the role.
The man is old now.. I understand... I'm 30 yr.,s older now as well.. I know I think diff back then than now..but c'mon.. he doesn't "have" to be a dick about it.. smh....Saddest part is.. I hear he actually played the part as if he never left... He hosed A Lot of people .
123SpiceOld He was kinda ungrateful because Star Wars is what made him a star because Ford was a struggling actor before the role. I think Ford hated SW because he found it very childish and dumb for him.
Shocked about Han Solo death? Siriously, you did not see it coming? I enjoyed his death, I smiled ear to ear. Best moment of the movie(loved Chewies reaction). But really, Harrison wanted Solo to die in both episode 5 and 6. This was what needet to be done to get Harrison aboard. And he really carries the Movie like Obi-Wan does in ep 4, but with more humor :) I predicted this as soon as the old cast got cast.
+Charlie Blakemore If I remember correctly it the one that Luke loses in Episode V when fighting Vader I believe. So I assume someone found it, and then she acquired it afterwards.
Sorry I disagree with most of what you say. The movie was perfectly paced. It was good a main character died to show real risk to everyone. Kyle ten is going to grow each movie. I'm glad that he wasn't fully formed and will grow like The other Jeri's. This is another GOTG review, I just can't understand where you come from. 5 star review from me. I also think having F you Kyloe Ren is rude and not needed.
I thought it was kinda strange how Chewy was so fast to shoot Kylo Ren in the stomach after killing Han, I know he just saw his best friend murdered in front of him but it was is best friend's son who I know Chewy had to have feelings for too if he watched the kid growing up.
Not disappointed to hear that Finn's not a Jedi, but I am really disappointed to hear that his character was relegated to the comic-relief role. There are enough black comic relief sidekicks in movies. I thought his character would be more substantial than that. It's been done to death. But it's cool to hear he did a good job, though. He's a talented actor from what I've seen in Attack The Block. Hopefully in the next Star Wars episode he'll be more than just comic relief and be given more substance.
+beselbic No, Finn's not a Jedi, but he is the most courageous person in the movie. You can relate to him, and he does a lot of good things. Without him, the final attack on the First Order would not be possible, he rescues Rey by fighting Ren, and in that fight, which is way more realistic than the ninja stuff of the prequels, he has some succes against Ren. (not want to spoil too much). He is more like us, inexperienced, but making the right decisions and doing a hell of a job!
+beselbic He's not a sidekick. He received just as much screen time and character development as Rey. His comic relief was no more than what Han Solo had in the OT. Also, Rey was silly and naive. Finn does hold his own against Kylo Ren. His character does have substance and is not just there for laughs. I do believe that in the following sequels, we will see him grow just as much as Rey.
Han Seoul-Oh Cool. Really glad to hear that. I guess I'll check it out. I didn't want to see it if he was playing a Chris Tucker-type character. Thanks.
***** Oh nah, it ain't no Chris Tucker type shit. And it is worth checking out and forming your own opinion. The movie does have faults. I'm not just dick riding because I enjoyed it. Despite it's faults and the negative comments, it is a good movie.
+Jose Fernandez hang on then, how does he manage to use a lightsaber... lore wise you must have a connection to the force in order to use one without cutting your arm/leg off the first time you try to do anything with it.
Let me say this, while I'm not a huge fan of Solo being killed off it was definitely the right thing to do. First of all Harrison Ford wanted to be killed off since like the 5th episode, do we really want someone who clearly doesn't love the franchise to continue on in an important role? Plus Harrison is getting quite old, how many more movies did you expect he'd be able to make? Lastly it made perfect sense for him to die at that spot because he was the Obi-wan of this film. Solo was the old man who took the younger cast under his wing and then they watched helplessly as he died. Really goes nicely with the first film right? Anyways yeah I wasn't prepared for him to die so soon, but the more I think about it the more it makes sense IMO
I knew they would do this. There was no way in hell they would allow a black man to be the saviour of the Star Wars Galaxy. I don't care what people think or say. Hollywood is still a racist institution. I swear. In every review i hear this; John Boyega was really funny. How about John Boyega was really heroic. Nah. He's the man with the shaded past, funny guy who is reduced to playing the wife role to Daisley Ridleys character.
+Shakeem Winn I agree with you. But you know something, I kinda felt that Keylo Ren recognize the force in Finn. Honestly I was expecting that both Finn and Rey went together to get trained by Luke. I hope that your voice is heard so in the next movies they develop Finn in that direction. Have a nice day!
Grace, I strongly agree with all of your points. Overall enjoyable movie, but what's glaringly obvious to me is that it suffers from weak villains and antagonists. Something it shares with Marvel movies. Kylo became disappointingly non-menacing after act 1.
Han Solo was NOT killed for shock value, it was specifically to give himself and Kylo Ren very important character development while serving as the film's dramatic weight. Killing main characters has never been profitable or easy to do for any popular franchise, and this scene carries too much meaning to be summarily dismissed by people who can't get over the fact that a beloved character could die. The Star Wars saga is greater than any one character, no matter how popular that character might be. Everyone dies, sometimes for no good reason at all. I take huge issue with the concept that certain plot points can't happen to certain characters just because of how "important" they are.
4:00 "he didn't even have a funny thing to say" He was just impaled by his son. It's a heartbreaking scene. He shouldn't be saying something funny. Hell, the "I know" line from Strike's Back wasn't suppose to be funny. He knew she loved him and he didn't know how he felt about her or what to say but new he had to say something. It's a real honest moment. I get you don't like that he died, but it's an organic part of the movie that works. It works with his his character, it works with Kylo's character. More importantly it's a great character moment for both. Han Solo failed to be a proper father to his son, and paid the ultimate price for it. It make sense since Han Solo is a cool guy but would not be a very good father figure. Kylo had to kill his father and he hated it. He didn't kill his father out of anger. Kylo could have killed him years ago had he wanted to, but he didn't. He was doing what he thought was right. So I love the decision to kill of Han Solo. It's one of the best they made IMHO. It's brave, it's challenging, it's pushing the limits of what you can expect for them. Plus it take Kylo and sets him up to truly embrace the dark side in the next film, making his eventual redemption in episode 9 so great.
I'm hearing some really disappointing facts about John Boyega character Finn. First, people are saying that Finn is not Force sensitive, but in fact the character Rey is, second people are saying that Finn is in fact a janitor for the Republic, WTF! If this is the case I'm not giving a dime toward this movie.
He's not the the Jedi that they promoted him to be. I thought it would be awesome to see a storm trooper evolve and become an actual Jedi. But no, let's just stick to generic plot points.
I'm glad they made Rey the Jedi, I did not want Finn to be the Jedi cause I think that would've been corny. Also I think snoke is going to be small or something. Also I wish at the end before it went off Luke could've been like hello daughter cause it's basically implied that Rey is his daughter through that light saber flashback.
+honesty90 As one of those black star wars fan, I was a little let down by the fact that he wasn't a Jedi. John Boyega's performance however made up for a lot of that. To me, it was pretty obvious that rey would be a force user early on and that Finn was a red hearing. I'm looking forward to his character's growth in the future.
Sorry to hear that. I think Finn and Rey respectively have a lot of growing up to do. Rey with discovering her weaknesses. And Finn learning to fight. But there is still hope for more development in the future.
+honesty90 Agreed 100%. It was also a slap in the face to make Star War's first Black female character, played by Lupita Nyong'o as Maz Kanata to be disguised in CGI. What an utter disappointment and insult particularly considering the hype and secrecy over her character.
Hey, thanks for bringing this up--I somehow missed this although it goes without saying that this character was insignificant as a character or indistinguishably a Black female if she was so easy to miss. I had so much higher hopes for Lupita Nyong'o. Nevertheless, I now need to re-watch ep.1
+honesty90 I still believe he'll be a Jedi with him being able to pick up the saber and use it pretty well. Also, Kylo Ren was staring at him in the very beginning was interesting and I believe he's force sensitive.
I guess the hand gesture wasn't necessary after all. The way Rey perfected her mind trick just by words makes me think she's some kind of Force prodigy. Luke's daughter possibly?
I guess the hand gesture wasn't necessary after all. The way Rey perfected her mind trick just by words makes me think she's some kind of Force prodigy. Luke's daughter possibly?
Finns change from the darth side was a bit forced but I don't like the fact that Kylo Ren took off his mask... he was so badass with it on and then he took it off :(
+Profootballplayer I had the same feeling, but then I realized that that is exactly the point. Kylo Ren isn't supposed to be badass (just yet). Darth Vader (not Anakin, but Vader in the OT), Darth Maul, Darth Tyranus, and even The Emperor, they were all well versed in their Sith training, they had years of experience. That made them badass. It gave them an air of confidence and power. In some cases, hubris, sure. But still. Kylo tries very hard to emulate that. The mask, the voice-changer. But then he takes the helmet off and what do we see? A broken, young, inexperienced man in his early twenties. Very much in conflict (feeling the draw to the Light side). He has a terribly hard time controlling his emotions, as evidenced by the (immature) fits of rage. Vader's reactions were based on letting his rage take over, but were much more measured. He punished incompetence and then took his rage out on whomever disappointed him, in a controlled manner. Ren just fucks shit up for the hell of it. The moment on the bridge where he kills Han, there's a split second where it does look like he was ready to give in, and come home with Han. The tears welling up in his eyes...the beam of light from the sun on one side of his face, the red glow of the saber on the other side (representing the internal conflict), but he resolves that conflict in a way that he hopes will make him more powerful, alas. The dark side "won", but it's a redeeming moment for the character in the sense that we've watched a moment of immense growth. Now that he's murdered his father, and he's going to finish his training with Snoke, I'm willing to bet that in Ep VIII or IX he's going to be an absolute badass.
I loved Daisy Ridley and LOVED that she was the Jedi. I wanted Finn to be a Jedi but who cares. Rey was a pleasant surprise and I can't wait to buy her merch. This idea that men would be turned of by a female Jedi is crazy, I think Grace's femme movement is off base here. Everyone I talked to could care less about a female lead. We just want great stories and Jedi action.
+Barry Jordan I am a female and I did not particularly care for Rae as the main Jedi figure. I would have preferred to see a female Sith or Sith-esque character.....I am sure I'm not the only one.
+Amri R. - I made a suggestion above in my Fan Theory that I hoped it would be revealed in Ep. 8 who Rey's mother was (I believe Luke is her father). I had hoped that they would borrow from the EU again and make Mara Jade Rey's mother, who is an ex-Sith Jedi Master who married Luke. She was killed in the books by her nephew. Maybe they could write her in as already dead, but they would need another explanation for her death. I refuse to believe she would have been killed by that whiny punk kid, but then gain, she was killed by her nephew Jacen Solo in the books. So it could be possible....
The Force Awakens was fantastic, Grace. My favorite movie of the year. I strongly disagree with your hatred of Kylo Ren - if anything, the death of Han Solo (however sad it was) made me find him ten times more interesting. He's a fantastic villain. I thought the movie was hilarious, and had just the right amount of action. Also, you said it doesn't have a rewatchability factor, but I could watch it over and over again and never get tired of it.
In depth review you got here. But overall, it ignores allot of things that couldn't be helped. Ford telegraphed that he wanted to have his character killed off since the original trilogy, yet his death in this one surprises you? I knew going in that he was probably going to die, and the first lines where Kylo is talking of killing his father probably should have set that up as obvious. The rest of your concerns are pretty valid, but it's also a question of "what should we cram into this movie" vs. "what should we save for the next 5". It would have been a 5 hour movie with all the disappointments you described being fleshed out into this one movie. Overall, daring review, seeing how much you're being down voted. Although, bonus points for being the hottest nerd RUclips reviewer out there. I stuck around because your existence is like that of a unicorn....
+John Royalty Please nooooo! He's the ultimate Jedi and my favorite character of the franchise! If Han Solo want's to die so be it, that's his problem not Luke's. It is sad though and it pisses me off, but it is like it is.
You don't think they poured on the girl power too thickly? Isn't it obvious that Disney is trying to cash in on the Katniss Everdeen gravy train now that the Hunger Games movies are all done?
+mike white , It is likely Rey is Luke's daughter. Luke means light, a synonym for which is Ray. Star Wars, Jar Jar Abrams even less so, is far from subtle.
I'm guessing Luke's daughter, as she had a massive connection with the blue lightsaber that used to be Luke's. So it's going to be one big family feud. Lol.
People need to be honest. It was just an entertaining but formulaic blockbuster. Like most things with Disney behind Kudos to them cause it was well crafted. But nothing groundbreaking or anything.
+sanyrub I can be honest, but people will hate me for it. I laughed at some parts, but i left disappointed. I thought there was going to be new vehicles and not old vehicles.
SPOILERS**********************My goodness - this is a classic case of "beauty is in the eye of the beholder". Just three of your comments I took the biggest exception to: I couldn't disagree more with your criticism of pacing. There was probably twice the amount of action I was expecting from the film. Virtually every scene was an action scene, with the first hour of the film in particular leaving me a little "adrenoline tired" as things slowed down to let the plot mature. I mean within 5 minutes we have an ambush on a small village complete with laser battles and the film's main villain who acts with a brutality and grittiness the franchise has never seen. From there it's all the craziness that ensues on Jakku, stealing Tae Fighters, a Millennium Falcon battle, and running from wild tentacle beasts. Han's death was fine. I don't think there is a "good way" to kill Han. Should he have been immune? If so, where is the fun / suspense in that? Upon second watch I think it was adequately emotional. The exchange of dialog was powerful and Driver sold it with tears and real sense of conflict. No character should be off limits, no matter how beloved he may be and I didn't feel that it was something "tacked on" so that Ford could get off the train. What's wrong with Kylo's mask? I thought he looked pretty beast mode. The thing is pot-marked with conflicts-gone-by, and the front bends like wild crowbars around the mouth. I thought it looked intimidating, especially when it was paired with that calculating, deep voice.
agreed , Pepole don't understand kyko rens charecter hes a poser trying to be this dark lord of the sith when in actuality he's just a lost kid.. His charecter will mature pepole forget luke was whinny at first as well.
+Christian Dragon That might be true, but that doesn't change the fact that he is trained in the dark side of the force and practices Sith arts although he is clearly not experienced.
In some ways he was the anti-Vader for me, everything Vader was, he wasn't. Not intimidating, not mysterious, threw tantrums, at least Vader force choked incompetence. Also he had no reason to wear the mask other than he's a Vader groupie. Maybe I'll fond more to him the more I watch the film, but for me at least, he and Poe were rather underwhelming.
Adam Driver was GREAT. If only he'd have player Anakin skywalker in the prequels. He acted exactly like what Anakin should have been in episode 3 transitioning to the dark side. Fantastic villain imp and am looking forward to seeing him on ep.8
***** That's the thing, he does play the Vader role, he even models himself after Vader and hero worships him to a great extent. Naturally the comparisons are going to be there, which takes away from what Driver brings to the character. He's still starting out, not sure of his place, but would a Master of the Knights of Ren throw childish tantrums at his allowing incompetents to mess up his plans? It came across as funny rather than menacing, at least to me it did.
***** I liked that he was conflicted, it showed a deeper character which could evolve over the coming movies. That said, I would have liked him to have expressed his anger in a more chilling direction. To me he felt like a child smashing his playthings rather than doing as Vader did to the medical droids with his subtle building of his rage, or decapitating the officer. I understand the impulse and why that was a likely outlet, but it was still more funny than frightening.
I'm not a fan of a girl Jedi I really wanted to see Fin as the Jedi.. But what can I say they know how to market a film, 1st they know they have a smaller black audience so they make the new Jedi appear to be black, then they know there's less women audience so they make the real new Jedi a women..
+AFGxMEBeast Finn can still be force-sensitive. If you remember in the beginning, after they killed all the villagers, Kylo looks at Finn as if he senses something in him. Also, Finn defected from the First Order and they said that had never happened before. So maybe the force helped him break free of the brainwashing.
The whole sequence where Rey and Fin escape on the Millenium Falcon... which is definitely a set piece that goes on for quite some time... is very much worth watching again, all by itself. And it ends with the two of them both being amazed and freaked out at how the hell they pulled it off, which is also great, and very telling about the force. Flying through the hull of a star destroyer? Shooting a TIE fighter flat-on from the bottom of the Falcon when the gun is stuck in the forward position? If you don't think that's memorable, you're crazy. The light saber fights in the third act are equyally great. The way Rey captures that light saber after Kylo cripples Fin is f-ing unforgettable, as is the fight to follow.... along with the ground beneath them falling away as the planet collapses. If that's not set-piece enough for you... what the hell?
It's amazing looking at this review a year and a half on. The comments on this video are very negative, raising TFA up on a plinth far too high for its own good. This review is actually fairly accurate to me. Your concerns for the re-watchability turned out to be true, as this film isn't very gripping seeing it on repeat, and the idea of it being new hope 2.0 is also something that others have now picked up on. The hype after TFA first came out was amazing, people calling it "the best Star Wars film blah blah blah" with only a few "haters". Nowadays, TFA is seen by many how I saw it when it first came out; average at best. After the hype died down people have started being realistic, and as a whole have realised how much of a Mess this film has left the sequel trilogy in. And I have my doubts that TLJ can clear up such a wreck. I just find it fascinating how the opinions of Star Wars film fanboys changes so much based upon the opinion of others.
SPOILERS: The thing that bothers me more than anything else, is that Kylo got absolutely wooped by Rey at the end. How are we supposed to buy him as a credible threat, if he gets thrashed by someone who has never even used a lightsaber before, and has only used the force for about an hour???Where's the tension for next time they meet? She will be even stronger then and beat him without breaking a sweat. I think that's a huge problem.
Him killing Han goes a long way in establishing him ad a credible threat. If Han can die, no one is safe.
+BanditIncorporated You didn't get that when Kylo had her pinned on the ground and told her she needed training, she did the whole mind-reading thing she did earlier, except this time she took his swordfighting skills?
+BanditIncorporated For me I saw it as Rey was letting the force flow through her and let it guide her, as opposed to her consciously fighting.
Well, he seemed to be toying with both her and Finn to start with, all the while he was bleeding out and limping from the shot he took from Chewy's bowcaster (a weapon that was purposefully shown to be much more powerful than a regular blaster). Added to that, Finn managed to land a shot before Rey even started to fight him. He was badly hurt, and she was still fighting on the defensive until she managed to get her connection to the Force working. He also didn't seem to be in a strong place emotionally (at least, that's how it looked to me) so all in all, Rey had every advantage and barely beat him, so it does give the impression that if they face each other again on equal footing, Rey will need a lot of training to survive.
+BanditIncorporated I totally agree. I walked out of there thinking Kylo was pretty pathetic, not at all that threatening. Killing Han was obvious and easy. It's like his powers started off impressive and then turned to mist. As soon as this isolated, forest fight between the three of them started, away from intervention, I knew Kylo was done for because my mind couldn';t help notice it as staged and automatically did a quick calculation as to the outcome in this situation - nope Kylo isn't winning tonight. But when it was over so quick, it seemed, it was almost humiliating but maybe that's the point for further development in the next two Episodes. Adam Driver acted well - the achievements of Kylo as a character were scant to say the least. Bumbling sort of.
It was no surprise for me that kylo killed his father. Just as luke had to face his father to become a jedi. Kylo had to kill han to prove he a sith.
+vegetta00 This is actually one of my biggest issues with this film. Snoke is basically a Sith Master type of character to Kylo Ren who is like the new Sith apprentice but only technically. It is like Anakin brought balance to the force by destroying the Emperor and himself as Darth Vader for that whole Sith dynamic to be rehashed in TFA--only they put a different name on it...The Knight's of Ren??? Gimme a break....
Knights can also be guards, so it seems they would protect Snoke.
Kylo Ren is basically Sith in ancestry, due to Vader being his Grandfather
+GermanyFan01 Assuming that Grandpa's helmet was vaporized along with the rest of the Death Star, will we next see Ren talking to a Darth Vader pez dispenser?
Lol ok, Vaders helmet was on the star cruiser
+Jim Alexander Have you seen the films? Given that Luke at the end of RotJ burns his father in a pyre before it pans off to celebrations of the victory of the Battle of Endor? That was not even a Special Edition edit, that was in the original film.
What are you talking about? The movie is about the new characters, not han. Sorry. Han solo is my fav character, but ive been speculating about his death for months. Was obiwan the main character of the originals? No. This trilogy is about rey, finn, and poe. Leia will just be the mothma general type (not really much screen time), luke will train someone and probably die soon after, and chewy will hopefully stay and be Rey's best buddy and eventually die in a very said death at the end of 9. All of the deaths give more weight to the trilogy, if you really thought or wanted han to be the main character you are insane.
And its kinda obvious han sacrificed himself, similar to obiwan. He went to his son like han solo would. That was his son, not a random villain. He loves him. He approached him knowing he will become his son again and join him, or he will kill him. He was willing to take that chance because he is a real man and knew he had to fix his parenting mistakes that have been haunting him since he left leia.
+Mike Swan Exactly! Rey now has a reason to fight, before she was detached from the world. Han is someone Rey looked up to as a father figure, killing him makes her invloved. It makes her angry at kylo, you know she wants to get even now. Its funny how alot of people dont see that.
I couldn't a agree more. people need to let go of the original trilogy. I'm glad he died the way he did instead of some lame ass story of him retired on some distant planet.
Personnaly i even would have liked leia to be dead for some times in the movies, she was the too much for me, i wanted more of the heros, like poe dammon is non existent!? Event thought is my least favourite
She was a bit out of time leia, but i understand fan wanted to see her, it's just don't serve the movie in my opinion
+Maitrī xp personally I think he did a great job making all the fans comfortable with the similarities between this and 4,5,and 6. I think he's done a great job transitioning us to the new chachters
The man is 73 years old. I think he should be allowed to say goodbye. Plus it paves way for new characters.
Oh and if he died by making some joke, now that would've been a joke. It's a sincere moment, albeit a little forced, but still tastefully handled.
wow could not disagree with this video more
+NeptuneatDawn Same
+NeptuneatDawn agreed
+NeptuneatDawn And her voice... HER FUCKING VOICE
same here.
+Amiibler Oh please. What has her voice got to do with you disagreeing with what she says? Does your voice sound like a chorus of angels or something? Something tells me that it doesn't.
"No big action pieces"? What movie did you watch?
The Star Wars Christmas special apparently...
There were big action scenes, but overall the movie lacked vision and scope to the effect of any of the past movies. every planet they visited looked like a version of Earth our a planet we've already seen before in other movies. Way too many human characters also.
+Juls Token
Couldn't agree more. They played it too safe and didn't add a lot of interesting new elements. Give me something new and memorable on par with Jabba the Hut (not even close with the new creatures)or an ATAT (not even close as far as tech).
+Juls Token True I hope that they get the feeling from the other films and some good fight choreography for a lightsaber duel in the next films.
There is action set pieces. This girl is a jacka*s because she is disappointed that her mental expectations didn't come to par.
-"I love you son" -"I know" *Kills Han
+DabIMON THAT would have been hilarious! :)
I think you could've written a better movie than Jar Jar Abrahams.
+DabIMON Good o know I wasn't the only one that thought that would have been awesome
+DabIMON that would've been perfect.
+DabIMON comment win
I gotta disagree with you about the re-watchability and the action. I was on the edge of my seat almost all the time, expect the TIE Fighter and X-Wing battle in the Starkiller base. Also I love that J.J. didn't heavily choreograph the lightsaber duels. It felt real, and I got a sense of danger and the stakes mattered for me. But, yes this film does play like a Star Wars: Greatest Hits soundtrack, yes I thought if they were gonna kill off Han, he should have died in the sequel.
+Samuel Shin I was only on my seat in the Han death scene even though when he stepped out i was like, oh he is so dead, when Kylo started acting like he was torn, I didnt want Kylo to bitch out and be a good guy. all the trilogies mirror each other, so when Kylo mentioned to Rey that Han is the father you never had, you werent missing out on much. I thought of Qui-Gon Jinn when he became a father figure to Anakin. and in Episode 4 when Obi-Wan became a father figure to Luke. its the tradition that the new jedi has to loss their father figure early in each trilogy, so i was more scared on that bridge that Kylo wasnt going to kill Han. I liked Kylo a lot but i did want him to die though seeing that he wasnt good enough to be Vader and dying in agony, i would of enjoyed that but id like to see him keep going all the same. hopefully Kill Luke and turn Rey to the darkside. I dont feel satisfied by a happy ending i guess haha
I appreciate JJ Abrams for trying to incorporate Starkiller in this movie, name a powerful space station after Vaders apprentice, kind of like honoring him don't you think?
+Samuel Shin I know her saying there wasn't any action made no sense at all, This movie was almost _all_ action. Maybe she just didn't notice it because it was practically omnipresent. You had the raid on the village, you had the awesome Falcon flight through the star destroyer, you had the _Aliens_ like scene on Han's cargo ship, the fight above the watering hole, And of course we had the space battle above the star killer. (Well, it was a battle with space ships inside of an atmosphere) and of course the lightsaber fight between Kylo and Rey.
These characters aren't Kryptonians who can be smashed through buildings without, like, dying (I mean we see Kylo Renn in real pain from the blaster shot, we see Rey knocked unconscious, Fin gets his shoulder burned, etc) These people aren't superheros, The Force doesn't prevent you from getting your head caved in.
Everybody hated that stupid Zack Snyder movie and the fight in Smallville between Zod and Superman was just a bunch of pointless CG with no real stakes because both of them are invulnerable and Snyder doesn't seem to worry much about civilian casualties.
+GermanyFan01 But disney said that force unleashed isn't cannon anymore..
+Spooder Man - True - same goes for the EU (expanded universe) and they are going their own way with George' Lucas' input. That was the one stipulation he had before he sold off Star Wars to Disney.
Are you kidding me? Kylo broke Disney's streak of terrible villians. The guy has so much more power than any other jedi/sith we've seen. He froze a laser bolt! I'd hate to see his force lightening. I'm looking forward to seeing his story.
***** I agree. In my eyes Kylo is the villian I've been waiting to see. He is obviously not even fully trained. I could see the Vader worship as being something Snoke put into his head. Snoke probably told him how Vader was the most powerful Sith, join me and you'll be more powerful than he ever was. Then Rey comes along and makes him question himself. She's probably the first jedi he's fought. He realizes he isn't as powerful as he'd been led to believe. I think that's why Snoke tells the general to bring him in for more training. Maybe Snoke, knowing how powerful Kylo could be, thats why he didn't complete his training. He knows that he can't defeat a fully trained Kylo. Who knows? At least JJ left us room to speculate, unlike Lucas did with Darth Maul.
+Dinosaur pilot I honestly don't get any of the hate on Kylo Ren. It's so plainly obvious that he's supposed to parallel Anakin in Revenge of the Sith. I'm excited to see him really step into his powers and become "Vader" by Episode IX. And then Han dying? Who cares if Harrison Ford requested it or not? His death is good for the parallels they were going for and it's necessary for the focus to go completely towards the new cast.
+Dinosaur pilot I really like Kylo but I don't think he is the most powerful yet, his training is incomplete and he was still between the dark and the light until the end of the movie, I think the genius thing about Kylo is that we will be following him through his journey of becoming a powerful Sith at the same time that we follow and will be following the journey of Rey towards the light.
+Martin Elizalde Lecuona - Kylo Ren isn't a Sith, he's a Knight Of Ren. He will be trained by Supreme Leader Snoke.
DJGamera Well lets say then "a powerful darkside user" haha ;)
To me killing Han Solo was a perfect decision because it's called Star WARS. In real life, in real wars people die. If none of the main characters die then there is no tention during the other fights. If you only kill characters you don't like then you will have no emotional attachment. They have multiple main characters, so that there are still othere characters to root for. You might say that whats the point in adding real things that happen in real life to a fantasy slash sci-fi film. Well basically if you add real stuff like that it can make all of these stories with weirs aliens and planets relatable which makes is transcend fantasy and sci-fi.
LOOOL, My friend said the exact same thing "It can't be that great of a secret place, if one can get to Luke's planet in 2 seconds" and I was just telling her "it's a movie, pretend they cut out 17 days of uneventful travel"
+buciallstar :) Spin-Off Movie - Road Trip to Luke Skywalker!
+Beyond The Trailer it's like that movie than should have been made about how Bruce Wayne gets back to Gotham in dark knight rises lol
*SPOILER ALERT:* Luke, Leia and Chewy all die in part 8. Might as well keep the pain train for me going. Why do you _WANT_ to hurt me?
poontang3zizo is there a reason why you are such a jerk?
poontang3zizo calling people "morons" isn't that nice. And it's late and I won't go into detail on why assuming a cut always implies a timejump isn't always correct. It also heavily depends on the way you cut it. The cut was too seemless to imply a major timejump. And let's not forget that Grace might have been not too serious when talking about that one scene. It would have been nitpicking on the highest level if she would downgrade the movie because of that. And let's not forget she isn't the only one that thought that for a split second.
As for Han's death, I think it was logical, and necessary.
This is a post "game of thrones" world we live in, where beloved characters are picked off left and right. In that light, I think it's okay for a 73 year old Han to die in this movie. And he doesn't die immediately, or in some stupid way.
Han is the undisputed old hero in this movie. He is front and center. He is a kind of father/mentor to the younger characters. He's willing to give his life for the galaxy. He dies, in my mind, very bravely, because he's not afraid to face this son of his, who has crazy scary powers.
He's also not too cynical or jaded to be a loving father, even after his son has delivered the death blow.
He is so redeemed in this movie, and so handing off the torch.
But the best part is that Han's reprise, in this movie is not stepped on by Luke.
We will spend the next movie with Luke's reprise as a character... without any Han to mess that up either.
They know exactly what they're doing this time around.
+Patrick Melody I agree.
+Patrick Melody I'm with jeffrey. I think the problem is how he dies rather than the fact he dies. Killed by his emo son while caressing his face? Plus Harrison had been saying for years he wanted Han to die for the cause and become a sort of martyr but I doubt this was what he had in mind.
+Patrick Melody I have mixed feelings about it. On the one hand, it was pretty predictable. On the other hand, it makes sense for the old scoundrel to go out trying to save his son rather than retiring to a quiet life.
+ragnar97 I liked the caress. Without any words, Han told his son that he still loved him and forgave him even after this final act of betrayal. That's going to haunt Kylo Ren even as he marches further into Dark Side.
+D C Wilson Exactly what I told my friends. lol.
sounds like Luke will be the new yoda in the next movie
+davidwhistler1977 It so points to be so, I just hope he doesn't die.
+davidwhistler1977 I guess but it seems Maz Kanata would be a great next yoda.
I think he is in a yoda type situation and will be in the next installment but who knows about the third
***** I know she's no Jedi but she has a lot of force knowledge.
I believe definitely that is the role he's playing but I wouldn't trust him to train me on account of he didn't or couldn't do shit to prevent his padiwans slaughter
I disagree with almost everything you say in this review.
so did i, especially the fact that there weren't any good action scenes
as do i
+Maxwellimus Films the reviewer is just another stupid bitch trying to get more viewers by hating on star wars.
Me too. A mental review
I agree with you as well. Some people are to sentemental about the original actors. As other people said this trilogy is about the new actors not the old.
I don't get why people are complaining about the Rey and Kylo fight. Kylo took a direct blast to his flank from the Bowcaster before the fight, a weapon which was hyped up for being really powerful all film, Han took out 2 stormtroopers with a single shot from it. So Kylo was badly hurt to begin with.
Plus it wasn't as though Rey was some amateur fighter, she was surviving alone in a desert for most of her life, taking down multiple assailants at a time, as we saw in her fight in the beginning with those guys on Jakku.
Yes she was using a staff then and not a lightsabre but the basics are the same, e.g balance and coordination, when to strike when to block etc. Plus Kylo is a clearly flawed villian, he has ambitions of power but that doesn't make him powerful, not yet at least. Rey showed she had more force power than him earlier when she reversed his torture and read his mind instead, where she learnt that his biggest fear was that he wouldn't live up to Vader's legacy. This makes him an interesting villain as he is reckless and still not fully trained as Snoke pointed out.
Also people are judging the fight for not being as well choreographed as the prequels?? Seriously? Those fights were between experienced Jedi knights and experienced Sith lords, Rey hasn't had any force training, she seems to be able to tap into it naturally which means she might become one of the most powerful jedi ever! but at the moment she is not even a padawan let alone a jedi, and Kylo is no Sith Lord, he is a pretender in training, someone who wants to be a sith, he idolizes the sith, but he seems fairly week in the force at the moment. So with him badly injured and her a rank amateur, of course the fight is going to be alot scrappier and not as polished! It would have been ridiculous if it had been a highly choreographed fight!
Also Beyond the Trailer seems to think that Han's death was pointless and for purely shock value, but i disagree. Kylo wants to be as powerful as Vader, that is his motivation, he probably thought that such a merciless act like killing his own father would cause him to be drawn deeper into the dark side. This is after all about the future of the franchise, Han was great in this, but he did his job and he did it well, we don't need him for all 3 films, the old cast are passing the torch, to me his death served a real purpose, it cemented the fact that Kylo was truely lost to the dark side, and now maybe he will grow stronger in the dark side and after Snoke finishes his training and he gets patched up, he might become real competition for either Luke or a newly trained Rey in the future movies.
+Rogan Miller I think the better way to look at it is that Kylo is very immature in his training. You can see him act out in anger and it makes him look weak. Or that Rey must be extremely force sensitive. She could either be the daughter of Luke to be more powerful than Lei's daughter. Or she could be the new chosen one to redeem the jedi order, the most powerful since Anikan or what Anikan should have been before turning into Vader.
+Andrew Lin Yeah i agree, Kylo is immature in his training, he lashes out when he doesn't get his own way. He is frustrated that he isn't more powerful than he is given his heritage. It makes for an engaging and unstable villian!
I'm not sure yet if Rey will turn out to be Luke's daughter. She thought Luke Skywalker was a myth at the beginning, you could argue that he changes his name like Obi Wan became old Ben, but after Vader and Sideous were defeated there would be no reason for a Jedi to change his name? But saying that the Empire/New order still existed in some form, so maybe he did change it to avoid the attention his name would bring.
I'd love it if she was his daughter. If she was abandoned on Jakku at age 4, that would mean Kylo started to rebel against Lukes training at the age of 14, as Adam is 10 years older than Daisy, so that seems possible. But the bit about it that makes the most sense to me is that Anakin was prophesiesed to bring "balance" to the force. you don't get a balance without both good and evil in equal measure. Vader had 2 children who were both good, there is no balance there, but with his grandchildren we have one good and one evil possibly, so the force is in balance once again, prophecy was correct!
Or maybe i'm just over thinking this way too much. I can't help it, it feels good to be excited about Star Wars once again!
Rogan Miller My problem with Han's death is it's way to predictable. Like I was sitting next to my friend and called it scene for scene. It was such a non Han solo way to die. No heroic fight to the death, no snarky remark. It was just done so poorly.
I actually don't want Rey to be a be related to the skywalker family at all. I want her to have a brand new story line bc of how safe they played it with this movie. It hit all the right spots for star wars fan, and in my mind that was the weakness of the film. There was nothing new to it. Like i felt Like I've seen every scene with different characters in some point in 1-6, mostly 4-6 episodes. I loved it because it's star wars, and to go back into the world of star wars after how terribly 1-3 were done, this was great. But there was no real surprises or a scene that I fell in love with.
+Andrew Lin I understand your point of view but i have to respectfully disagree. I fell in love with nearly every scene, because it was a return to the Star Wars universe i loved, not the mess that was the prequels. Did it scream of familiarity? Yes because it IS the same world. Tie fighters are fighting x-wings, there is a den of villainy filled with all sorts of weird aliens, but does that make it unoriginal or does that just enforce that this is the same universe at the originals?
The only bit that did annoy me was the new death star, they could have come up with something new i agree. But apart from that i thought it was all new and interesting. The characters were what made it new and they were placed in a setting we all know and love. We have never seen a stormtrooper questioning his superiors in the empire before, we have never seen a villian who was this nuanced before, we have never seen a strong female character who actually fought her own battles rather than be saved by the men around her.
You could argue that Rey's abandonment on Jakku was too similar to Lukes on Tatooine, but it makes complete sense if she does turn out to be his daughter. He knows that this technique of abandoning a child on a desert planet would mean she would grow up out of the eye of the empire because it happened to him! If she turns out not to be a skywalker then i agree with you that this would be too similar to a new hope, but i hope she is lukes daughter.
They did play it safe in this movie, but safe is good, safe is letting us know we are back in the universe we love. They can then build on this safe start to go into new story arcs for episodes 8 and 9.
Now about Han's death. Again i'm afraid i have to disagree with you. Han isn't the same man he was 30 years ago, you have to understand that he is now filled with guilt that his own son is going around the universe slaughtering innocent "people". There were times in the film were he was back to his jokey space pirate ways, but he now carries a heavy burden. He wouldn't go down in a space battle with a snarky remark, he wins every battle. The only way he would be willing to lower his defenses would be with someone he still loved, who he thought he could talk around.
I didn't think it was done poorly. Han was stepping onto that walkway knowing full well what might happen. He knew his son was now evil and that he might kill him, but he knew also that this was going to be his only chance to reason with him. Han felt guilty about what he had created, so it was worth risking his life to try and put things right. There is nothing stronger in the universe than a parents love for their child. Vaders love for luke eventually pulled him back from the dark side. So Han knew he had to try to bring Ben back from the dark side. He was under no illusion that this might cost him his life, but it was his duty to try. It would have completely destroyed the moment if he'd made some joke or quip, a simple touch to the face was enough to let his son know that he forgives him and that he still loves him. It was a perfect moment for me, and it is one that will play on Kylo's mind. Was it a bit predictable? Yes I suppose it was, but that diminish the emotion of the scene for me. Han's death provides so much motivation for Rey and Finn to hate Kylo, and it provided the act that Kylo hoped would bring him closer to Vader and draw him deeper into the dark side.
Timothy Bradford It's not a perfect movie, i'm not arguing that, i can only go by how i felt watching it and to me it was a fun thrilling ride of a movie, full of nostalgia, humor and intrigue. It can only be viewed in context once the other 2 are finished as there are loads of unanswered questions, but that doesn't make it bad, that just made me want to know more. Can you elaborate what the flaws are you noticed?
The movie did its job if grace is pissed. Especially if she's pissed for/about the character...
Your absolutely right.. I think Where she goes off the wagon is in not seeing or fully understanding the story justifications for his death and then somehow rationalizing that Disney should not of allowed this to happen after they paid so much money for the rights to Star Wars. She attacks the decision to kill Han as a decision not made in service to the story but then somehow in the same breath laments that Disney would not put Han in the second film and what a poor business decision it was . So an argument to throw Han in the second movie is to make Disney more money?? That isn't a decision made in service to the story... Disney bought rights to all things STAR WARS not just to Han Solo. Disney would much rather prefer the franchise successfully introduce a young cast of new heroes who can bring the story forward well into the future. Continually having to rely on a aging character in his mid 70's would of been a terrible decision... Ok my rants done.
+Lui s Agree. Han's death makes sense in Kylo's decision for the dark side. It isn't as extraneous as indicated. It wasn't as well directed as it could have been but it really does make sense for Ben Solo/Kylo Ren.
+Matthew Garlick Grace is an idiot when it comes to Star Wars...
+Billy Rigby There's no need to call her that. You just disagree with her and that's ok.
Edna Toscano no, she is an idiot. I disagree with you on that! :)
Kylo Ren has become one of my favorite characters. I think his struggle with the dark side and how it defined his character was great. I also think the character still has a lot of potential going forward because there's so much you can explore. Sad to hear you didn't like him so much, Grace :(
+Ben Davis I don't think so, I believe he will be the villain of the trilogy
I liked him too. I found his struggle and just how loss he was to be interesting. I didn't interpret his meeting with Han as a ruse but that there was a chance he might not kill him.
+thegodmachine i think he was about to give into han and potentially rejoin the 'light' but with how he had asked the helmet he has of vader to show him the power of the darkside, that when the starkiller station finished absorbing a f*#$ing STAR! he saw what he needed to know about the power the dark side can bring, and basically had a relapse. so no i dont think it was a ruse either
Apparently I'm in the minority here, I thought Hans death was well done and was good for the franchise. It helped kylo character, helped the focus to be on the new characters and gave the movie a memorable moment.
Kylo was a character still in transition, killing his father was a huge step towards the dark side (which he was still struggling with). This movie itself was a transition from the original trilogy to the sequels. This movie really was Hans movie, so his death allows it to move on to the new generation. Ford might have wanted it to happen, but within the story, i think it works really well.
Also in defense of Han not talking at the end, I liked that. He always had a one liner, not saying anything was probably the most honest he's ever been in the movies.
Your not in the minority most people like this film
For once I agree with you on all fronts Grace. Except...I'm not quite giving up on Kylo-Ren yet. I think we'll see he and Rey throughout their training as the trilogy moves on (which should be interesting). I like the temperament he expresses indicating the dark side within him and it should only magnify going forward. 7/10 for nostalgia
+The Lords Chosen Glad we agree this time! And okay, I'll agree, I'll keep the door open for Kylo just a smidge! :) If Johnson can add some more depth to his character, it might work out after all!
+Beyond The Trailer You know...now that it's soaked in a bit, I gotta dissect some things that didn't connect. 1st Didn't the first order learn anything from the empire? I'm fine with a death star 2.5 but with the same vulnerabilities?? And it allowed the falcon to land on the front lawn raising no alarms, allowing 3 people to infiltrate, take THE storm trooper captain hostage as she so freely drops its shields? I understand holding back on explaining certain things to hold onto the magic but gawdamnit just a tad more thoughtfulness, please......Alright, ok I'm cool now.
+The Lords Chosen The Resistance thought it had the same vulnerabilities and they found out when they attacked that was insanely wrong. The thing they needed to take out was so well protected it too an act of sabotage to open it up for attack.
The Starkiller was a real planet that had been rebuilt into weapon instead of a weapon built to be the size of a small planet. They also came right out of hyperspace and under their radar, as Finn pointed out.
And Phasma probably thought/knew that anything the Resistance could bring was too little to take out whatever their target was.
+twoyorehel z So you're saying Darth Maul was cartoonish?
+twoyorehel z I agree with the Kylo-Ren part. I left the theater wanting to know more about his path to supreme leader Snoke. Kylo is what young Anakin should have been in the prequels. I loved Kylo's unhinged anger and look forward to see his full path to the dark side. A believable downward spiral unlike Anakin's.
Grace, Harrison Ford came back because they agreed to kill off Han. What on earth would you have done? Recast him? Hold his family hostage?
Just not bring him back 🤷🏽♂️
I think they are going to kill off each of the original three main characters (from the original trilogy) in each film moving forward. This is so they can make the new characters more relevant.
SPOILER'S! Save the franchise? In my opinion, what they did to Han was in NO way damaging to the franchise, and I didn't really have a problem with it.
It was one of the only non-shitty plot points in this cinematic abortion.
i agree, his death actually helps setting up the kylo ren character for future movies. and seriously, this girl says some absurd things in this video...
+SuperBad no u
+kc JONES I would have been Ok with his death if they made it better. It was just such a non Han Solo way to die.
+OnePiece FODDER “OnePiece fodder” What does that have to do with anything?
Sooo Snoke is Darth Plageus with a dying body, prepping Kylo Ren as a new host? Seemed to be where they were going. Andy Serkis certainly grabbed my attention with his performance
Well, you know that's just like your opinion, man.
Exactly Dude.
+Phillip Rogers Yeah, Dude.
+Doc James Burton I reported your racist comment... Haters gonna hater ;)
No shit it's her opinion. That should be a given.
ummm, Guys, he's quoting The Dude. Jeff Bridges.
so many dislikes, cmon she speaks the truth.
Tell me why? And if your reasoning is I liked Han Solo you need to go away.
+Brez Boy The death of Han served in four ways: Retirement, redemption, remorse, and you all really gotta get over it.
+Brez Boy what truth? her own self-absorbed fangirl view?
+Brez Boy I thumbed her up because she's the only one with the sense to make a fucking review with actual spoilers.
Redjoker96 So... Have you seen any other SPOILER reviews then?
I've never been a fan of these reviews, it's criticism with almost no merit. The audacity to imply that J.J. Abrams and all the dedicated Star Wars fans working on this movie would solely make a decision about the fate of a pivotal character on an actor's misgivings? No, of course they did it in the interest of the story. It makes sense, Han's story is finished, he's an amazing character, but there is no point in dragging out his arc just because he's "the face of Star Wars". These movies should be compelling without relying on iconic characters to carry them. I understand it's upsetting that he's gone but it seems like calling his death a bad storytelling decision and cheap just seems unfair. I thought the scene was brilliant, it established the primary villain and gave us a reason to hate and feel sorry for him, as well as saying farewell to a character that needed to pass the torch and give a certain finality to the story, which could've easily also been done at the end of "Empire".
+Alex Garcia I agree
+Alex Garcia honestly to me...Han Solo dying never once bothered me...EVEN after some jackass drove by a group of us walking into the theater yelling out the window "HAN SOLO DIES"...I actually thought that scene was kind of iconic for a new movie....the shit that bothered me was all over the place...like that AWFUL scene where Han Solo encounters some old enemies who he owes money too....it just felt SO unnecessary, dull, and that's the only time that CGI became SO noticeable and SO overused that it became just incredibly annoying to me.
Han Solo's death was meaningful and fit the story well....that other bullshit I just mentioned was just a complete waste of time. It could have been cut entirely from the movie and it wouldn't have changed the plot ONE BIT.
+Alex Garcia Then why do you keep coming? You make some points. But then you should just stop watching and let the people enjoy.
Guys. This movie is new hope 2.0. Are you blind?
Like what? prequels were not copy/paste.
+shakk3n Did Han die in A New Hope?
Ben kenobi died in new hope. Just like han.
I like star wars. I liked finn and rey as couple. But i didnt like the force awakens's plot at all.
+shakk3n The borrowing from the New Hope did hurt the movie a whole lot. That said, I disagree with the notion that Kylo Ren killing Han, and Kylo Ren being a confused character, ruined the movie. I think all of the new characters were compelling and interesting, and were really the saving grace of the movie.
ugh humans leave Grace alone! This is a film review, which means a person's sole opinion. You dont have to agree with it. Or unless you want her to just speaks whatever the fanboys want to hear?? thats not a review, thats pandering, and youre looking at the wrong place for that.
+Tim Tran If you post a review online, you're entering into a discussion. I'm sure Grace realizes this, and is fine with differences of opinion, when, and only when, they're brought up in a respectful manner.
Tahkyn yes, thats true. but i was expecting the same thing from other people. but if you look down, theyre all attacking her for saying what she thinks. which isnt what they should do. thats not a discussion. thats hating on others because they have different opinions.
shes not even saying she dislikes it. she likes it, but just with problems. but they still attack her anyway.
+Tim Tran i dont see any attacks. just people telling her why they think she's wrong. She has a right to an opinion, but everyone else also has a right to their opinion about her opinion.
People can have their opinions. Obviously it makes sense that grace is upset that Han died because she liked his character so if she stated all that that would be fine. But to state there's no story justification for it is just plain wrong. In fact Hans death wasn't just justified by the story and warranted, it HAD to happen. Especially given the amount of screen time and significance given to his character in this movie.
There are more dislikes than likes. Ive already spotted one comment below that basically said Grace has worthless opinion, which is very rude.
So wait, you're annoyed that Harrison Ford is old, wants to retire and so they gave him an ending rather than just sending him off into the sunset, or not using him at all? Weird and to a certain extent selfish as a viewer.
+Captain Sunshine or Boba Fett merch, or Darth Maul merch, or Obi Wan merch.
+Matt Green
yeah, and it was the most epic of endings for him in terms of story. A true tragedy as I wrote on another commenter.
Killed by his own son, who was trained by Luke, who is now the champion of the dark side. That is some heavy epic shit. Han Solo, even before his end he does not run away from a "fight". He is in the thick of it to his last.
Perhaps this was his character evolution and karma. A guy that cared about no-one, always looking out for his skin and waiting for the chance to escape or fly off, gets attached, begins to feel for friends and people, becomes the hero. His end, came from him not fleeing, and from feeling too much now, for the one person he could really feel for.
What an epic ending to his tale.
+Matt Green I would respectfully argue though, that as fans we are a little entitled to selfishness when it comes to our fandom.. I don't feel bad for wanting Harrison Ford to stay on for the other two movies, (or at least one more). And he's not retiring from acting all together (at least as far as I/imbd knows), so I don't see why he couldn't stay on for another movie or two. That's my two cents any way.
linemoren
because (unless I am mistaken) SW fans have annoyed the shit out of him for so many years. He has done so much work and been in so many films and being recognised mostly as Han Solo becomes annoying.
He probably had a lot of fun doing this project, and more than he thought he would, but I can also bet he is even happier to leave it finally behind him and say "there, Han is DEAD".
You seen any interviews with him?
"Who shot first?"
"I don't... care!"
That is the response of someone that can't be bothered with all these crazy fandom bs. He doesn't care. It was a paycheck. He is a human being and 30 years of this going on was enough for him I think.
He handled his last appearance grandly I would say and finally embraced it. In a sense I think he completed a personal circle in his career as well.
That is why he couldn't stay for another movie or two. Getting him back for the one was already too much for him to say yes to initially. And that should be even more understandable I think.
As the actor whose portion or side to his career has been ruined from all these crazy fans, I would respectfully argue that he is entitled to more selfishness than the fans.
+Matt Green I thought it was fine. The new movies should be about the new characters. He had a pretty good death - he was trying to help his son. I just hope they don't bog down the other movies trying to save the whiny Kylo.
You lost me with the "when THEY decide to go with a black comedian..." part.
Why does it make sense to type cast when it comes to the black actors? Kevin Hart? Give me a break. And yes, mixed couples can exist without them being forced. Don't know why this needs to be pointed out. I'm black, my wife is caucasian. And believe it or not, we don't feel weird together and our chemistry isn't "forced." Why would that be the case with two good actors of different races when they are well directed? Why is that a predisposition for you? That part was just dumb.
WTF?
Because.... racism? :-|
+jbgainesii At this point I just think she likes being controversial just for the sake of it and to have people talking, she always finds "wrong" things where there aren't any.
***** Yeah, this confused the hell outta me. I mean it's 2015. Are we still taken aback seeing an interracial couple to the point that it has to be pointed out. Our friggin President is biracial. My goodness. You're right, I have watched a TON of reviews and NO ONE brought up the lead character's race and potential romance. It's silly.
+Mizzah Tee thats the world we live in mate'
suprised no latin american/hispanic american went to protest poe dameron stealing a tie fighter and suping up his x wing lol
juckoosaurus Wow... lol
Couldn't agree more with this movie. I'm not even shocked at the Liked/Dislike ratio, fanboys are fanboys and star wars is star wars. But yeah I totally could not agree more with you on pretty much everything covered here.
+BenG Thanks, Ben! :) People like us have to keep it real.
+BenG That's why the popular opinion is to hate on three of the movies?
+BenG
That's great and all, but it's going to be a bit embarrassing for you guys, when The Force Awakens is nominated for Best Picture.
So keeping it "real," is just a matter of opinion I guess.
Although Man of Steel (a movie with "rewatchability") did win a "Teen Choice Award" for "Best Male Hero." I guess some people just like looking at muscles, regardless of character.
+Dialectical Monist Well you were wrong lol.
Sir Lancelot Mcbutt You got me. I am in awe of the selections. It's mind boggling.
Forget Star Wars.
Ex Machina is one of the most brilliant sci fi films to come out in years, a FAR better movie than The Martian, which is a "good" movie, but perhaps the most overrated movie of the year.
Ex Machina is everything you want from a film. It should be taught at film school.
At least they recognized it for "best original screenplay."
The Martian, which goes on about Matt Damon bitching about disco music and other tired cliche lines of "comedy" is no where near as a good a film as Star Wars or Ex Machina.
Now I know why it was selected as "best comedy" at the Golden Globes, because this is a joke.
It is a good adaptation from a very good book, it is not a thrilling piece of work as a stand alone film. It can't touch Star Wars or Ex Machina with a 20ft pole.
These award shows are becoming dumbed down, due to criticism of how the Academy judges are "out of touch" with the common moviegoer. This move is purely political to show how "in touch" they are.
They avoid Star Wars, because it is too popular, they avoid Ex Machina, because it is not popular enough. "But wait, look, ah, there is the perfect statement to make, a universally agreed upon "solid" movie that most 'common moviegoers' enjoyed. Yeah, pick that one, that'll get our reputation back on track."
Oh well, anything that deals with money becomes corrupted eventually.
The Martian isn't 1/10th as fun a ride as Star Wars. Nor does it tell 1/10th as good a story as Ex Machina.
Leia literally lost everyone. She lost her entire family in Alderaan, her lover, her son, and now shes missing her brother. damn, horrid life.
This lady said JJ Abrams cant keep up??? Rotten Tomatoes rating. 97% right now. Looks like he is keeping up just fine thank you very much.
Yes, but RT is notorious for being biased. Their MoS score is a clear example of this.
I dont agree and I'll just leave it at that
+Saint Bison but the commenter is right. star wars is back those blinders are going to keep a few critics from seeing what's there because Nostalgia.
Ok like I said to that comment I dont agree and thats that. Moving on.
***** Thats what you recall? Hmm lets see. Episode 3 got 79%. Not exactly amazing. I thought it sucked. People gave 65%. Again not exactly amazing numbers. Episode 2 66% and only 59% from people and the there is Episode 1 that only got 55% and only 60% from people on rotten tomatoes. So you were saying about those high scores... Uh huh. My original comment was more towards the lady taking stabs at JJ Abrams and that clearly the work he didnt on this movie wasnt bad at all. So far it looks at least good. Maybe not great or perfect but good at least. Unless everyone dropping a comment on my first comment is trying to say that the movie sucked. Then thats a different argument
I loved how Ben solo would completely trash the room he was in when he got angry and you see the two troopers turn around to avoid him lol great character imo.
I'm not really annoyed by Ford going down... we all knew this was coming and if you didn't know your very naive and almost child like lol. He's so old, how long was he going to be witty and fly the falcon, guarantee people would have been calling for his head if he survived until late ep 8 or 9 anyways. Love Han Solo but his time has come. The biggest problem this movie is going to have is nothing is enough... the people want a whole trilogy in one movie and every question answered... not gonna happen in the first of three.
+nydabeats ok, but you don't have to kill a character, you can also let him go away, and no one has heard from him anymore. Like in 'and they lived happily ever after...' Killing is so definitive. And now when I see the older movies, I always think, yeah, Han Solo is the hero now, but I know he is going to die in a nasty way in a couple of years....
+allis one Thats life, we can't all have happy endings.
allis one theres no way han could just go away somewhere in the midst of a new story and the fans be ok with that.. you can say the same thing with all the characters.. realistically they would all die at some point would they not? I think its better for them to die on screen at a crucial point to set up more character motivations in the future... Now you have a reason to hate kylo.. I disagree with grace, she titles this FUCK KYLO REN and says this movie suffers from a villain problem idk about that
+nydabeats Well, maybe you are right, and my wife feels the same as you so who am I to argue...lol. It is just that I like an open end. In the books of the Lord of the Rings the Appendices describe the exact future of the members of the fellowship, all very positive, Sam being major for a dozens of times for instance. For me, I did not have to know that, even if it was positive. Hope you have a good time at the movie, in case you did not see it yet !
I feel you man, in some cases it is better for an open happier ending. Who knows if they made the right decision, we wont know until we see ep 8&9 and we really want a han solo scene or some dialogue alluding to him. I get it, now he's just dead... Its the easy road for the writers, gets harrison out of the franchise like he wanted and sets up some other story arch. I could only get good seats for monday, So I got a few days until I actually see it. Thanks man, always good chatting about star wars!
Grace, you said that Captain Phasma should "Be a Boba Fett level character" and that's exactly what she was:
Looked badass did jack shit LOL
What if they killed Han liked this:
*Kylo stabs Han, and Han puts his hand on Kylo's face*
Han: I love you, Ben,
Kylo: *Stares menacingly* I know. *Stands without emotion as he falls off the catwalk, giving no fucks.
+Daniel Medina No, give Han the proper Blade Runner Father death, with the proper kiss
+Daniel Medina That actually sounds perfect, kill the "bad guy gone good" character right then and there
+Daniel Medina I was thinking that too!
would have been so lame if Han said something funny before he died, it was a giveaway he was dying months ago with the Young Han Solo Movie coming. Harrison Ford has wanted out since Empire, sucks he feels the way he does about Star Wars because having him in Episode 8 would have been the right move.
Ayyy DJ Delz! Haha I didn't expect you to comment here.
Killing him in this film meant we got Han Solo in Episode 7. Otherwise they'd of had to have Han die off screen prior to TFA and that would of been shitty.
She beat Kylo cause he was injured.
+superfinevids Thank. You.
+superfinevids True. And he seemed to be a bit unbalanced emotionally after killing his own father.
she beat Kilo because she Dan near marred the force in a couple of days with no training whatsoever. She had help beating him by him being injured, but none of that could've happened without that unrealistic leap in believability
+Juls Token His saber training is clearly lacking and remember his training isn't completed yet. His training probably focused on force abilities more than dueling. He will probably be a much better duelist in the next movie.
+superfinevids Also Kylo was pretty much the only active Jedi in the galaxy at this time so Kylo had no lightsaber experience against other lightsabers
Actually I think I disagree with almost everything you've said in this.
I know this was 5 years ago
But I totally agree with your comment
WTF is Grace talking about?
Killing Solo was the best thing this film did - both thematically rich in terms of the Kylo Ren character arc, but also important in terms of separating the Sequel trilogy from the previous films
So yea, I don’t agree with anything Grace says here
@@trekkiedave7910 Grace has the taste of a 15 year old who has no taste. But loves a blockbuster haha
The way you have reacted to the Kylo/Han scene is exactly what JJ wanted. We got to understand him as a villain before and now we get to hate him and I don't agree that it was bad for the franchise because it completed Kylo's transition to the dark side like Luke never did in Return of the Jedi. Also who wants to see a grumpy Harrison Ford be lugged about for two more movies, he went out o
+Token is Black he is exactly as darth vader but a little bitch too
+Token is Black I love how he is constructed as what Luke could've been / Anakin SHOULD have been - fantastic villain.
In Hans two moments with Leia where she says “bring our son home” each time he has a look that I feel is him knowing something dire is coming and the attempt will be futile. I don’t think he totally expected to get shafted but he knew he was toeing the line, and and I think he did it for his son to move forward and not be torn apart
This is one of the worst reviews i have ever seen...Han needed to die think about it. I really hate that you basically hate everything. This movie was great, think a little bit more into it. Also, it is fine that it is like new hope, who cares. It did a lot of things differently
You know what is worst about this review ?? Brining man of steel as an example of something awesome......no way.......
Javier Perez
Right?? You cannot compare man of steel to this film. It feels like this whole review was a joke.
+charlie arpin dunno man I see a smart chick here with glasses, wait is that blonde.... nvm
men of steel comparison wtf... might as well compare this movie to
I don't know Batman and Robin 1997
+charlie arpin I agree, the movie was great. Kylo is such a interesting character with so many emotional layers.
Same with her saying that the tease with luke at the end was a let down, nooo it was perfect! i left the cinema wanting more and that is how it should be.
She basiclly wants the entire trilogy in this single movie, there is coming two more!
+Truls Olav Too right! Leave Luke for the next episode. To bring all the old characters in together would mean they would be crowding each other out for screen time. Harrison Ford gets to steal the show and bow out gracefully, Mark Hamill can take over in Episode 8.
Yes, Grace! Yes!
Your anger makes you stronger! Let the hate flow THROUGH YOU!
you can't start a star wars trilogy without killing off an old guy! :D
SPOILER: I hated the movie. One of the things I hated about the movie was Rey. That was the most rushed character ever. We come to know her as someone who only heard some vague stories about Jedi and knows very little about them and even had doubts about them and the reality of the Force. Never in her life has she ever even laid eyes on a lightsaber. When one day she happens to see one she literally runs away from it. Then when confronted by a man who is clearly competent with using the Force, who has been trained to use a lightsaber, who was actually trained by Luke Skywalker himself (Kylo Ren)....for some bullcrap reason she summons the power of the Force like a master and fights with skill and finesse and defeats a trained force user. Rushed. Phony. Absolute crap. In the original series Luke didn't become a powerful Jedi as a deus ex machina. He gets a little training from Obi-Wan. Then a lot of training from Yoda. He tries to stand up to Vader and Vader basically plays cat and mouse with him and defeats him. Luke goes back for more training (though he's told at that time he's done with training). It took 3 movies before he got up to snuff to pose a threat to other trained Force users (Vader and the Emperor). Rey does it in just a few minutes time. Crap. Crap Crap.
+Wiser InTime totally agree with you and what i have been saying. Fanboys will not accept any criticism though. Daisy Ridley actually did a great job but writers ruined her character, they really did. One of the cool things about Darth Vader and Luke was watching them progress as jedi, watching them learn how to use the force. The way they handled Luke in original trilogy was perfect, in first movie he could hardly use the force, in second he was trained by Yoda but was yet not fully trained and then by 3rd film, he was powerful. Rey just became a powerful jedi without knowing anything and without any training. So what will luke teach Rey in episode 8? 'oh, you are already as powerful as i am Rey, you train me please' So dumb and cheap but i guess i'm not a young kid anymore and this movie was pretty much made for younger generation. I guess the idea is - make the new generation more powerful than the past, new kids will love it. JJ and writers were thinking box office $$ and making a better throughout out, better written movie took a back seat.
+raiyzo “spades” jr I'm a huge fan (fan boy if you like) but this film just left me feeling flat. I can't believe that so many people who did nothing but complain about every minute detail of the prequels seem to absolutely love this movie. I was only disappointed in Ep 1 but I really enjoyed all the rest of the movies. This is the only movie that I absolutely hated. All the previous films made me want to see t hem again and I saw them multiple times in the theaters. I have absolutely no interest in seeing this movie again. Once was enough.
+Wiser InTime But it seems like you're comparing Kylo Ren's skills to that of Darth Vader's. We don't know at what stage he went all emo during the training with Luke. And he's obviously still very unstable. For me, I saw a couple of things when Rey fought Kylo Ren in the woods:
1. Kylo Ren had the overhand most of the time, until Rey started to going into another state of mind. Rey was basically throwing a few strokes and then ran away.
2. Kylo Ren was badly wounded by the shot from Chewie.
3. Kylo Ren had just killed his father.
4. Kylo Ren knows how to use the force, but is not at all fully trained. Snoke confirms this a few times.
Also, bare in mind that no one fought like the jedi masters/sith lords do, not from the prequels, nor from episode 5/6. I'm sure this will improve throughout the movies, as the characters improve.
With all of this in mind, I definitely see it as less crap than you did and actually more believable.
+Erik Blomqvist I agree they didn't show any virtuoso type fighting like in the prequels. That was a time where the Jedi were fully established, organized and training Jedi from the time they just little toddlers. Literally life long training. I'm glad they didn't show that level of skill. I don't mean to compare Kylo's skills to Vader's but Kylo did have some serious skill. They guy was freezing blaster rounds mid air and holding them there without seeming to concentrate on it at all. He did stuff like that effortlessly while he talked with other characters. He froze Rey in place too. He's a deeply disturbed guy but he was no slouch. Maybe Snoke though he needed more training but Kylo was powerful and doing stuff not seen in any other movie. But what I'm more critical of if Rey's speed of development. It's like sitting someone in front of piano who's only ever heard of a piano but never actually saw one then in about 5 minutes time is skillfully playing music. Way too rushed. She doesn't need training...she just needs 5 or 10 minutes of "I bet I can do this" and walla! She's doing Jedi mind tricks, using the Force to move objects, sword fighting and winning all the way. Finn was defeated by Kylo and Finn is a trained warrior. Rey was a tough cookie but not a trained fighter. In most of the Star Wars movies they talk about training. They've established this is stuff that takes time to develop. Rey doesn't need time. She just wins by showing up.
Wiser InTime it was total BS and i laugh at the ones trying to defend how JJ made a mockery of the force by having Rey master mind control, moving objects and a lightsaber so easily... she not only had no training, she didn't even know what the force was. The people defending this are not true star war fans, impossible. True star war fans have an appreciation of the force and what it takes to learn it's ways, it's a power that is not easily mastered. Leia herself has the power, yet can't do anything cause she wasn't trained. Luke took 3 films to master it and Anakin (who in the prequels was said have more power than even Yoda) couldn't do what Rey could do until he received training. They really didm;t respect the force in this movie, they made it something that felt cheap and easy... why did they do it? For little kids... that's great but they should've struck a balance between kids and adults...
oh my god! #starwarsjacketspeculation confirmed!!
He was right!
+ziib123 but that was finn thooo
You talk too much. You complained too much. Very annoying to see. The millenium falcon chase in jakku was very memorable. Kylo vs Ray fight also memorable. Did you see the same movie ??
I think she didn't . Come on....bitching Star Wars making a point with man of steel...... No sense
+nixland fanboy
+Doc James Burton
fi0rella trolling?? Look at the numbers!!! 3k people dislike this video while only 2K like it.
+nixland Girl! I even used the arrow to show who I thought was a troll lol :/ Scroll up and you'll read some of his other comments. He's a troll.
I actually like Kylo Ren's mask...
+Tylord The Great the whole mask? Like the front of it looks cool with the hood. But when you take a full look at his mask entirely it looks ridiculous
+Nytellem I agree. The hood should be somewhat permanent. The actual mask itself looks really odd.
Without the hood it looked weird, and maybe it's just me but the unmasking was way too anticlimactic. Is he such a Vader groupie that he wears a mask and voice changer just because old wheezy did? Wannabe Vaderling.
maccajoe Same.
Yeah he was a legacy fanboy, which is understandable, but I'm looking forward to him acquiring his own identity as the movies progress.
I'll be honest here. I LOVE Star Wars and all but honestly this movie is just good. It basically a retread of "A New Hope". A nostalgic trip with good writing, but it doesn't really offer anything new. At least the prequels tried to do a lot of new stuff. Plus, I am kinda miffed about what happened to Finn.
Yep they had opportunity to do something great.
+Egie Asemota I was getting bored half way through, I agree it was like lets do new hope with a new twist.
I agree. Say what you want about the prequels, but Atleast they tried something new. Yeaah maybe the new stuff wasn't always the best, but it was New nonetheless
+Egie Asemota Episode one is a much more coherent, much more well fleshed out, totally ORIGINAL movie. This movie is just a cameo filled rehash filled to the brim with way too much fan service. Such a let down.
+Egie Asemota If they wanted to make a good nostalgic trip, then they should have done a better job making us feel good, but they did not. It left me with a mixture of sadness (for Han Solo's death) and anger for Kylo Ren.
Finn's turn to the good side was a BIT too rushed IN MY OPINION but other than that, I loved this film
+Geekdom101 Agreed, and I thought the cantina scene could have been 10 to 20 seconds longer, just to show all the weird aliens. Was too rushed. And Rey, in the beginning being alone, I would have had her having a short conversation with another scavenger about her situation.
It was completely rushed. He was a complete non-character.
He didn't turn to the good side, he was trained from childhood but never felt right about it, he just snapped the first time he was in a real battle.
+AHMED ALBOHAMAD I was about to say that. he clearly said explained it in the movie so they mustv missed it
+Geekdom101 Well it was established that, the attack on Jakku was his first mission before than he only worked in sanitation. The complete massacre that occurred, plus how TERRIFYING Kylo was. I would have dipped too!
Plus he was taken away and doesn't have an identity. I don't know it worked for me.
I see that the butthurt fanboys are out in full force on this review. This is just like The Dark Knight all over again. If you think a movie that the lemmings love is bad, then you automatically need to be put in your place. The movie simply wasn't that good. It was a lesser copy/paste of the best elements from Ep. IV and V. Maz Kanata was a lame version of Yoda, Kylo Ren is a whiny version of Darth Vader, Deathstar is a Death Planet this time, etc. There was no need to kill off Han Solo and if you really wanted to kill off an original character let it be someone like Luke in either Ep. 8 or 9, not Han Solo in the very first outing. This film seemed to want to play its best cards in one go and splurge on all the best things that we remember from the three original films and for that reason it didn't feel as earned and the characters didn't have a believable progression. Killing Han Solo just to give way to the "new generation" would be like killing Indiana Jones so he can pass the torch to Shia Lebeouf or whoever, it feels cheap and cliche at this point since we've that sort of thing already with Obi Wan. Not everything needs to rhyme.
Ultimately it was better than the prequels (which isn't saying much) but is still nowhere near as good as any of the original three. This film had some serious scripting issues, pacing problems and rushed character development. It's funny how the defenders will refute any criticism by saying, "it's assumed that _______" or "the film hints at ______". No, that's not a good way of excusing a film's flaws. The same people who say that are the same people who criticized films like Prometheus on similar grounds of not explaining everything enough. Many things in this film simply don't make sense and we're all supposed to throw logic to the wind because it's Star Wars. Never mind of course that the original three didn't have any of these issues at all and things were explained in context of the story not in awkward exposition or baseless speculation. 6.5/10 on this one.
Get fucked, go get a life. Biggest nitpicker. Movies can't be perfect. Film is an art, paintings can't be perfect same as music.
+SINATRA303 This is exactly how I feel after I left the movie theater. Every point you bring out is what I felt after watching the movie. I couldnt put it in words, but you successfully described what I felt point by point. i definitely felt the pacing problems and rushed character development as I was watching the movie. As a true Star Wars fan and a realist, ive had in my mind the possibility that these new movies would not live up to and even expand to another level from the originals. For a moment I thought that this movie would not fall into the shortfalls of remakes and the Jurassic Worlds but it did. Not going to deny that there was some good acting and the script was better than that of the prequels. The Millenium Falcon /Tie fighter chase in Jakku was an awesome scene. But yes definitely 6.5/10. Now going to rewatch the originals now...
+SINATRA303 I agree with u. Lucas must be fuming mad at this.
+SINATRA303 yup, there seem to be lots of QQ cry much Star Wars fan in the comment, this is Interstellar all over again. Sad really.....at this point anyone who say Star Wars is not a PERFECT movie it's a sin and fanboy will burn them in hell lma.
Harrison Ford always wanted Han Solo to die. He wanted him to die in Empire, but Lucas said no. So JJ granted him his wish.
When Ray got kilo ren on the ground at the end of their battle a guy at the front if my theater stood up, shook his fist, and yelled "FINISH HIM!" Kilo is officially dead to us
+Shuzzlin' reader Hells yeah!
+Grace Randolph Thanks so much for replying! I love your channels, I tune in everyday
I did think it was funny how, when Finn and Rey met, she kept scolding him for taking her hand.
I didn't think Mad Max was a feminist movie; but this one blatantly is.
HOW THE FUCK IS KYLO REN LIKE ZUKO?! He has just made himself an irredeemable threat. The way I see it, Kylo Ren will be the Azula rather than the Zuko. Rages and complains when he doesn't get his way, a perfectionist who refuses to see things any other way but his own. Too confident in their own power. Yeah that's Azula and that's also Kylo Ren. The only difference is instead of mommy issues he had daddy issues.
hes zuko..Amazing hair,spoiled prince,has a temper,tries to give into the light,may join the light side,hunts down the main protagonist.
Kylo Ren First off, Zuko was anything but spoiled. He had a good heart, and was trying to do the right thing. But his father was an ass hole and burned his face for trying to stand up for what was right. Since then he was unsure what was right or wrong because he was abused by someone he thought he could trust and love. The anger came from his feelings of uncertainty. He didn't understand what he did wrong. Because he didn't DO anything wrong and was punished for it anyways. The difference here is Zuko was always a good person. All he wanted was love and acceptance, but his family (his father and sister) messed him up. Made him feel in order to achieve their acceptance he had to capture the Avatar. He learned he shouldn't HAVE TO gain love and acceptance from people who should already love you. That's why he decided to leave...that and his dad was going to commit genocide. Kylo Ren WANTED to be part of the dark side, and it seems to me, his family (other than his grandfather) had nothing to do with it. To Kylo Ren his feelings toward his family was a hindrance to his progression so he got rid of what was keeping him from moving forward. Zuko never killed his father, no matter how cruel, how terr able Ozi was the worst thing Zuko did was imprison him.
LOL'd at "Fuck Kylo Ren"
+Reegan Riddiford Me too xD.
+Reegan Riddiford I think it's great. Not only is he the villain now, but we as an audience genuinely hate him. That's genius. I mean, otherwise he's just a boss to beat; but now, now he's hated, for real, in a good way.
+bsdandrum27 Kylo Ren just seems lame to me. Maybe it's because I'm a Darth Vader fanboy
The only one that knows that is Luke. We know from new EU comics that are canon that propaganda was made saying the Emperor didn't die. Likely the same was true for Vader, especially his allegiances.
KC Nwaneri what he said ^
Grace, would Harrison Ford's performance be as good if he knew he would be in more Star Wars Movies? I doubt it as he has a habit of mailing it in when he is not inspired by the project. He clearly isn't a fan of Star Wars and knowing he wouldn't be locked into many film made his performance better
+Delboy0 Harrison Ford is just a Dick now.. Has been for over 10 yrs. or so.. he thinks he's above the law & treats all his other cast members w/a JERK attitude.. I called it back when they first showed the trailer.. HF will be the first to jump ship!
kentkatchem I'm personally surprised he was even in the film given his hatred of Star Wars he has expressed over the previous decades. Disney must have given him a massive contract for him to appear given his dislike of the role.
The man is old now.. I understand... I'm 30 yr.,s older now as well.. I know I think diff back then than now..but c'mon.. he doesn't "have" to be a dick about it.. smh....Saddest part is.. I hear he actually played the part as if he never left... He hosed A Lot of people .
+kentkatchem I'm young so SW hasnt been a big part of my life and I'm just wondering why didn't Ford like Starwars?
123SpiceOld He was kinda ungrateful because Star Wars is what made him a star because Ford was a struggling actor before the role. I think Ford hated SW because he found it very childish and dumb for him.
Shocked about Han Solo death?
Siriously, you did not see it coming?
I enjoyed his death, I smiled ear to ear. Best moment of the movie(loved Chewies reaction).
But really, Harrison wanted Solo to die in both episode 5 and 6. This was what needet to be done to get Harrison aboard. And he really carries the Movie like Obi-Wan does in ep 4, but with more humor :) I predicted this as soon as the old cast got cast.
+andersrolig She clearly said she was upset about it no shocked dipfuck
I'm calling it, Rey is going to be trained by Luke Skywalker and get a double sided lightsaber since she's good with a staff
"Save this franchise" The franchise has been 100% saved by this movie
agreed
I would estimate it closer to something like 23,8%.
How does maz get that saber? Movie kinda trolled us there. Anyone know?
+Charlie Blakemore If I remember correctly it the one that Luke loses in Episode V when fighting Vader I believe. So I assume someone found it, and then she acquired it afterwards.
+Charlie Blakemore We didn't know how Vader's hand was cut off, but we learnt. We'll have to wait and see.
+Shay Vanderwood it shouldn't be a story for another time!
Praster89 Agreed! Hopefully we'll see in episode 8.
I think it's gonna be told in ep 8..
Sorry I disagree with most of what you say. The movie was perfectly paced. It was good a main character died to show real risk to everyone. Kyle ten is going to grow each movie. I'm glad that he wasn't fully formed and will grow like The other Jeri's. This is another GOTG review, I just can't understand where you come from. 5 star review from me. I also think having F you Kyloe Ren is rude and not needed.
+Colin Hill Agree. I usually love Grace's reviews but she is totally off the mark on this one.
+Colin Hill You are bonkers to give this movie 100%. There were noticeable flaws.
Nazgull123
I wouldn't give it 100% either, but I felt it was a lot better than Grace's review implies.
Back from the Movies yeah i reckon its an 8.5/10
Nazgull123
Agreed!
I thought it was kinda strange how Chewy was so fast to shoot Kylo Ren in the stomach after killing Han, I know he just saw his best friend murdered in front of him but it was is best friend's son who I know Chewy had to have feelings for too if he watched the kid growing up.
Not disappointed to hear that Finn's not a Jedi, but I am really disappointed to hear that his character was relegated to the comic-relief role. There are enough black comic relief sidekicks in movies. I thought his character would be more substantial than that. It's been done to death. But it's cool to hear he did a good job, though. He's a talented actor from what I've seen in Attack The Block. Hopefully in the next Star Wars episode he'll be more than just comic relief and be given more substance.
+beselbic No, Finn's not a Jedi, but he is the most courageous person in the movie. You can relate to him, and he does a lot of good things. Without him, the final attack on the First Order would not be possible, he rescues Rey by fighting Ren, and in that fight, which is way more realistic than the ninja stuff of the prequels, he has some succes against Ren. (not want to spoil too much). He is more like us, inexperienced, but making the right decisions and doing a hell of a job!
+allis one That's really good to hear. Thanks for the info.
+beselbic He's not a sidekick. He received just as much screen time and character development as Rey. His comic relief was no more than what Han Solo had in the OT. Also, Rey was silly and naive. Finn does hold his own against Kylo Ren. His character does have substance and is not just there for laughs. I do believe that in the following sequels, we will see him grow just as much as Rey.
Han Seoul-Oh Cool. Really glad to hear that. I guess I'll check it out. I didn't want to see it if he was playing a Chris Tucker-type character. Thanks.
***** Oh nah, it ain't no Chris Tucker type shit. And it is worth checking out and forming your own opinion. The movie does have faults. I'm not just dick riding because I enjoyed it. Despite it's faults and the negative comments, it is a good movie.
So episode VIII is going to be - The First Order Strikes Back!
+OU81TWOZ 46 No, because they already shoehorned Empire into the end of this movie, complete with the same soundtrack and all...
Another death star this time bigger bigger than the last one and again they will blow it up and Ray will realize who her father is and ughhhh
I have faith in Rian Johnson's ability to come up with at least a couple of original ideas, unlike J.J. He is a good director, again, unlike J.J.
+MJ Moallem To complete the rip off, Starkiller Base II should be introduced and destroyed in Episode IX.
Did they hint at Finn becoming a Jedi in the future? It would suck if he's not a Jedi at all.
+Jose Fernandez He doesn't seem to have any connection to The Force at all, but he's a good shot with a blaster and laser cannon!
+Beyond The Trailer is Rey's staff a light saber
+mike moon Not yet...!
+Beyond The Trailer it better be
+Jose Fernandez hang on then, how does he manage to use a lightsaber... lore wise you must have a connection to the force in order to use one without cutting your arm/leg off the first time you try to do anything with it.
I think Rey got her knowledge from mind melding with Ren.
Sigh... You've missed the point entirely.
Let me say this, while I'm not a huge fan of Solo being killed off it was definitely the right thing to do. First of all Harrison Ford wanted to be killed off since like the 5th episode, do we really want someone who clearly doesn't love the franchise to continue on in an important role? Plus Harrison is getting quite old, how many more movies did you expect he'd be able to make? Lastly it made perfect sense for him to die at that spot because he was the Obi-wan of this film. Solo was the old man who took the younger cast under his wing and then they watched helplessly as he died. Really goes nicely with the first film right? Anyways yeah I wasn't prepared for him to die so soon, but the more I think about it the more it makes sense IMO
I knew they would do this. There was no way in hell they would allow a black man to be the saviour of the Star Wars Galaxy. I don't care what people think or say. Hollywood is still a racist institution. I swear. In every review i hear this; John Boyega was really funny. How about John Boyega was really heroic. Nah. He's the man with the shaded past, funny guy who is reduced to playing the wife role to Daisley Ridleys character.
Yes my friend. I'm glad you see it too.
+Shakeem Winn I think he's the Han solo in this new trilogy. Ray is the Jedi.
we will see.
+Shakeem Winn I agree with you. But you know something, I kinda felt that Keylo Ren recognize the force in Finn. Honestly I was expecting that both Finn and Rey went together to get trained by Luke. I hope that your voice is heard so in the next movies they develop Finn in that direction. Have a nice day!
Absolutely Ana and you do the same.
Grace, I strongly agree with all of your points. Overall enjoyable movie, but what's glaringly obvious to me is that it suffers from weak villains and antagonists. Something it shares with Marvel movies. Kylo became disappointingly non-menacing after act 1.
I think killing Han Solo made Kylo Ren established as a real bad guy, which make it more amazing as a Zuko kind of ending
+Wyatt Witkowski Especially with that scar now ;D
Han Solo was NOT killed for shock value, it was specifically to give himself and Kylo Ren very important character development while serving as the film's dramatic weight. Killing main characters has never been profitable or easy to do for any popular franchise, and this scene carries too much meaning to be summarily dismissed by people who can't get over the fact that a beloved character could die.
The Star Wars saga is greater than any one character, no matter how popular that character might be. Everyone dies, sometimes for no good reason at all. I take huge issue with the concept that certain plot points can't happen to certain characters just because of how "important" they are.
Yes yes he was
I loved Kylo Ren! My favorite Star Wars villian of all time! This movie was perfectly casted! Cant wait to see the next episode.
6:00 if Vader can be redeemed after slaughtering a room full of kids, then Kylo can be redeemed after killing his dad.
4:00 "he didn't even have a funny thing to say"
He was just impaled by his son. It's a heartbreaking scene. He shouldn't be saying something funny. Hell, the "I know" line from Strike's Back wasn't suppose to be funny. He knew she loved him and he didn't know how he felt about her or what to say but new he had to say something. It's a real honest moment.
I get you don't like that he died, but it's an organic part of the movie that works. It works with his his character, it works with Kylo's character. More importantly it's a great character moment for both. Han Solo failed to be a proper father to his son, and paid the ultimate price for it. It make sense since Han Solo is a cool guy but would not be a very good father figure. Kylo had to kill his father and he hated it. He didn't kill his father out of anger. Kylo could have killed him years ago had he wanted to, but he didn't. He was doing what he thought was right.
So I love the decision to kill of Han Solo. It's one of the best they made IMHO. It's brave, it's challenging, it's pushing the limits of what you can expect for them. Plus it take Kylo and sets him up to truly embrace the dark side in the next film, making his eventual redemption in episode 9 so great.
+Phil Dog Its Snoke Darth Jar Jar......Han could have said "Such is Life"
I'm hearing some really disappointing facts about John Boyega character Finn. First, people are saying that Finn is not Force sensitive, but in fact the character Rey is, second people are saying that Finn is in fact a janitor for the Republic, WTF! If this is the case I'm not giving a dime toward this movie.
+Michael McClelland No, Finn has an crucial role in destroying the main weapon of the first order.
He's not the the Jedi that they promoted him to be. I thought it would be awesome to see a storm trooper evolve and become an actual Jedi. But no, let's just stick to generic plot points.
+Michael McClelland Finn is fantastic! Don't liste to this bitter woman.
Everyone in my theater looved him, so did I
+Michael McClelland Finn was a badass
+Michael McClelland geez just see the movie, people say stupid shit.
I'm glad they made Rey the Jedi, I did not want Finn to be the Jedi cause I think that would've been corny. Also I think snoke is going to be small or something. Also I wish at the end before it went off Luke could've been like hello daughter cause it's basically implied that Rey is his daughter through that light saber flashback.
+honesty90 As one of those black star wars fan, I was a little let down by the fact that he wasn't a Jedi. John Boyega's performance however made up for a lot of that. To me, it was pretty obvious that rey would be a force user early on and that Finn was a red hearing. I'm looking forward to his character's growth in the future.
Sorry to hear that. I think Finn and Rey respectively have a lot of growing up to do. Rey with discovering her weaknesses. And Finn learning to fight. But there is still hope for more development in the future.
+honesty90 Agreed 100%. It was also a slap in the face to make Star War's first Black female character, played by Lupita Nyong'o as Maz Kanata to be disguised in CGI. What an utter disappointment and insult particularly considering the hype and secrecy over her character.
Hey, thanks for bringing this up--I somehow missed this although it goes without saying that this character was insignificant as a character or indistinguishably a Black female if she was so easy to miss. I had so much higher hopes for Lupita Nyong'o. Nevertheless, I now need to re-watch ep.1
+honesty90 I still believe he'll be a Jedi with him being able to pick up the saber and use it pretty well. Also, Kylo Ren was staring at him in the very beginning was interesting and I believe he's force sensitive.
When Ray cut Kyle RENs leg I thought she would kill Kyle ren like anikan did to count dooku
Kylo Ren to me is a discount Darth Vader, he even lost to Rey who got used to the force the same day they fought.
He's more interesting than Vader for that reason.
"He's just a human being" - Robert Ford on Jesse James.
I guess the hand gesture wasn't necessary after all. The way Rey perfected her mind trick just by words makes me think she's some kind of Force prodigy. Luke's daughter possibly?
I guess the hand gesture wasn't necessary after all. The way Rey perfected her mind trick just by words makes me think she's some kind of Force prodigy. Luke's daughter possibly?
+Rush Lambo There is a possibility that Rey could be a very powerful user of the force, the likes we have not seen before.
+Rush Lambo The only reason Kylo lost was because he got shot and was losing blood.
Finns change from the darth side was a bit forced but I don't like the fact that Kylo Ren took off his mask... he was so badass with it on and then he took it off :(
Fin was raised by the first order and always worked in sanitation, we see his first mission as a storm trooper and he realizes this isn't right
+Profootballplayer I had the same feeling, but then I realized that that is exactly the point. Kylo Ren isn't supposed to be badass (just yet). Darth Vader (not Anakin, but Vader in the OT), Darth Maul, Darth Tyranus, and even The Emperor, they were all well versed in their Sith training, they had years of experience. That made them badass. It gave them an air of confidence and power. In some cases, hubris, sure. But still.
Kylo tries very hard to emulate that. The mask, the voice-changer. But then he takes the helmet off and what do we see? A broken, young, inexperienced man in his early twenties. Very much in conflict (feeling the draw to the Light side). He has a terribly hard time controlling his emotions, as evidenced by the (immature) fits of rage. Vader's reactions were based on letting his rage take over, but were much more measured. He punished incompetence and then took his rage out on whomever disappointed him, in a controlled manner. Ren just fucks shit up for the hell of it.
The moment on the bridge where he kills Han, there's a split second where it does look like he was ready to give in, and come home with Han. The tears welling up in his eyes...the beam of light from the sun on one side of his face, the red glow of the saber on the other side (representing the internal conflict), but he resolves that conflict in a way that he hopes will make him more powerful, alas. The dark side "won", but it's a redeeming moment for the character in the sense that we've watched a moment of immense growth. Now that he's murdered his father, and he's going to finish his training with Snoke, I'm willing to bet that in Ep VIII or IX he's going to be an absolute badass.
+Martijn de Vries well put! and I agree!
+Martijn de Vries yeah what you're saying makes sense thanks for clarifying that :D
I loved Daisy Ridley and LOVED that she was the Jedi. I wanted Finn to be a Jedi but who cares. Rey was a pleasant surprise and I can't wait to buy her merch. This idea that men would be turned of by a female Jedi is crazy, I think Grace's femme movement is off base here. Everyone I talked to could care less about a female lead. We just want great stories and Jedi action.
+Barry Jordan kylo ren senses an awkening in Finn too....but maybe in Finn's pants for the white bootaaay
+Chas X You mean Jungle Fever?
+Barry Jordan I am a female and I did not particularly care for Rae as the main Jedi figure. I would have preferred to see a female Sith or Sith-esque character.....I am sure I'm not the only one.
+Amri R. - I made a suggestion above in my Fan Theory that I hoped it would be revealed in Ep. 8 who Rey's mother was (I believe Luke is her father). I had hoped that they would borrow from the EU again and make Mara Jade Rey's mother, who is an ex-Sith Jedi Master who married Luke. She was killed in the books by her nephew. Maybe they could write her in as already dead, but they would need another explanation for her death. I refuse to believe she would have been killed by that whiny punk kid, but then gain, she was killed by her nephew Jacen Solo in the books. So it could be possible....
The Force Awakens was fantastic, Grace. My favorite movie of the year. I strongly disagree with your hatred of Kylo Ren - if anything, the death of Han Solo (however sad it was) made me find him ten times more interesting. He's a fantastic villain. I thought the movie was hilarious, and had just the right amount of action. Also, you said it doesn't have a rewatchability factor, but I could watch it over and over again and never get tired of it.
In depth review you got here. But overall, it ignores allot of things that couldn't be helped.
Ford telegraphed that he wanted to have his character killed off since the original trilogy, yet his death in this one surprises you? I knew going in that he was probably going to die, and the first lines where Kylo is talking of killing his father probably should have set that up as obvious.
The rest of your concerns are pretty valid, but it's also a question of "what should we cram into this movie" vs. "what should we save for the next 5". It would have been a 5 hour movie with all the disappointments you described being fleshed out into this one movie.
Overall, daring review, seeing how much you're being down voted. Although, bonus points for being the hottest nerd RUclips reviewer out there. I stuck around because your existence is like that of a unicorn....
Thanks for the spoiler review Grace. I'm weird in that i was looking for spoilers. Still gonna see the movie though
+Damian Jackson Some people like 'em, so I make 'em available. Enjoy! :)
+Beyond The Trailer you are so freaking awesome for doing it!!!!!
+John Royalty Please nooooo! He's the ultimate Jedi and my favorite character of the franchise! If Han Solo want's to die so be it, that's his problem not Luke's. It is sad though and it pisses me off, but it is like it is.
You don't think they poured on the girl power too thickly? Isn't it obvious that Disney is trying to cash in on the Katniss Everdeen gravy train now that the Hunger Games movies are all done?
+Andrew Kim Possibly... did anyone else notice that Rey could do, literally everything?
it is because she is strong with the force. Possibly lukes daughter..
Preston Townsend and yet, Luke didn't necessarily do all those things. I mean seriously, she could do literally anything.
Roper122 i guess she is just super force sensative...
Preston Townsend and a mechanic, and a fighter with a staff, and speaks every language...
Really enjoyed your review . Not everyone will agree on certain aspects or opinions but you stated some very good points and constructive criticism
so obviously kylo ren is a solo, guessed that one months ago.... is Rey his sister?
+mike white , It is likely Rey is Luke's daughter. Luke means light, a synonym for which is Ray. Star Wars, Jar Jar Abrams even less so, is far from subtle.
Likely.
+mike white We don't know yet who her family is after this movie, for the next one i guess.
I'm guessing Luke's daughter, as she had a massive connection with the blue lightsaber that used to be Luke's. So it's going to be one big family feud. Lol.
+REVIEWERtm , vader is also German for father. Lucas literally spelled it out for the Germans.
People need to be honest. It was just an entertaining but formulaic blockbuster. Like most things with Disney behind Kudos to them cause it was well crafted. But nothing groundbreaking or anything.
+sanyrub I can be honest, but people will hate me for it. I laughed at some parts, but i left disappointed. I thought there was going to be new vehicles and not old vehicles.
SPOILERS**********************My goodness - this is a classic case of "beauty is in the eye of the beholder". Just three of your comments I took the biggest exception to:
I couldn't disagree more with your criticism of pacing. There was probably twice the amount of action I was expecting from the film. Virtually every scene was an action scene, with the first hour of the film in particular leaving me a little "adrenoline tired" as things slowed down to let the plot mature. I mean within 5 minutes we have an ambush on a small village complete with laser battles and the film's main villain who acts with a brutality and grittiness the franchise has never seen. From there it's all the craziness that ensues on Jakku, stealing Tae Fighters, a Millennium Falcon battle, and running from wild tentacle beasts.
Han's death was fine. I don't think there is a "good way" to kill Han. Should he have been immune? If so, where is the fun / suspense in that? Upon second watch I think it was adequately emotional. The exchange of dialog was powerful and Driver sold it with tears and real sense of conflict. No character should be off limits, no matter how beloved he may be and I didn't feel that it was something "tacked on" so that Ford could get off the train.
What's wrong with Kylo's mask? I thought he looked pretty beast mode. The thing is pot-marked with conflicts-gone-by, and the front bends like wild crowbars around the mouth. I thought it looked intimidating, especially when it was paired with that calculating, deep voice.
agreed , Pepole don't understand kyko rens charecter hes a poser trying to be this dark lord of the sith when in actuality he's just a lost kid.. His charecter will mature pepole forget luke was whinny at first as well.
+Christian Dragon That might be true, but that doesn't change the fact that he is trained in the dark side of the force and practices Sith arts although he is clearly not experienced.
I hated Han's death too even when I have not seen all the Star Wars movies
Boba Fett went down pretty easy too, so Phasma is exactly the same, in a way. not sure why you are surprised when you had that parallel going. weird.
yeah, I don't think she is dead either, she is Finn's nemesis now.
Vader knew they would be on Bespin before they even made the jump to hyperspace, so that achievement was taken from Fett, too. It's hilarious, really.
Kylo Ren was best part of the movie
In some ways he was the anti-Vader for me, everything Vader was, he wasn't. Not intimidating, not mysterious, threw tantrums, at least Vader force choked incompetence. Also he had no reason to wear the mask other than he's a Vader groupie. Maybe I'll fond more to him the more I watch the film, but for me at least, he and Poe were rather underwhelming.
Yeah, Adam Driver killed it.
Adam Driver was GREAT. If only he'd have player Anakin skywalker in the prequels. He acted exactly like what Anakin should have been in episode 3 transitioning to the dark side. Fantastic villain imp and am looking forward to seeing him on ep.8
***** That's the thing, he does play the Vader role, he even models himself after Vader and hero worships him to a great extent. Naturally the comparisons are going to be there, which takes away from what Driver brings to the character. He's still starting out, not sure of his place, but would a Master of the Knights of Ren throw childish tantrums at his allowing incompetents to mess up his plans? It came across as funny rather than menacing, at least to me it did.
***** I liked that he was conflicted, it showed a deeper character which could evolve over the coming movies. That said, I would have liked him to have expressed his anger in a more chilling direction. To me he felt like a child smashing his playthings rather than doing as Vader did to the medical droids with his subtle building of his rage, or decapitating the officer. I understand the impulse and why that was a likely outlet, but it was still more funny than frightening.
I'm not a fan of a girl Jedi I really wanted to see Fin as the Jedi.. But what can I say they know how to market a film, 1st they know they have a smaller black audience so they make the new Jedi appear to be black, then they know there's less women audience so they make the real new Jedi a women..
+AFGxMEBeast Finn can still be force-sensitive. If you remember in the beginning, after they killed all the villagers, Kylo looks at Finn as if he senses something in him. Also, Finn defected from the First Order and they said that had never happened before. So maybe the force helped him break free of the brainwashing.
+Lance Alvarez The actress who played Maz Kanata should have been the Jedi, without the CGI crap.
The whole sequence where Rey and Fin escape on the Millenium Falcon... which is definitely a set piece that goes on for quite some time... is very much worth watching again, all by itself.
And it ends with the two of them both being amazed and freaked out at how the hell they pulled it off, which is also great, and very telling about the force.
Flying through the hull of a star destroyer?
Shooting a TIE fighter flat-on from the bottom of the Falcon when the gun is stuck in the forward position?
If you don't think that's memorable, you're crazy.
The light saber fights in the third act are equyally great. The way Rey captures that light saber after Kylo cripples Fin is f-ing unforgettable, as is the fight to follow.... along with the ground beneath them falling away as the planet collapses.
If that's not set-piece enough for you... what the hell?
It's amazing looking at this review a year and a half on. The comments on this video are very negative, raising TFA up on a plinth far too high for its own good. This review is actually fairly accurate to me. Your concerns for the re-watchability turned out to be true, as this film isn't very gripping seeing it on repeat, and the idea of it being new hope 2.0 is also something that others have now picked up on. The hype after TFA first came out was amazing, people calling it "the best Star Wars film blah blah blah" with only a few "haters". Nowadays, TFA is seen by many how I saw it when it first came out; average at best. After the hype died down people have started being realistic, and as a whole have realised how much of a Mess this film has left the sequel trilogy in. And I have my doubts that TLJ can clear up such a wreck. I just find it fascinating how the opinions of Star Wars film fanboys changes so much based upon the opinion of others.
Fanboys were blinded just like with the prequels.
Kylo Ren is nothing like Vader wtf.
Kylo ain't got nothing on Vader
+Hans Gruber Kylo Ren is lame.
BilliKriek true
FUCK KYLO REN (I GUESS, LOL)
+Hans Gruber This lady obviously doesn't know what she's talking about. Jeeez
No big action sequences, dam hold this dislike
who is here after watching graces spoiler review for rise of skywalker