I have an rx550 4gb in my Dell optiplex coupled with an i7 2600, 16gb gddr3 (1333mhz dual channel) 240gb SSD boot drive & 500gb HDD I repurposed. On top of adding Wi-Fi and Bluetooth, I play on this machine more than my i9-9900k & 2070s. Long story short, if you know what you're doing you'll appreciate old tech. I salute you BasicDadTech
I had a 580 up until just recently in 2022 when I upgraded to a 3060. That thing was still kicking and handling VR pretty good. With a decent OC on it, I was still running some of the newest games at the time on medium graphics at 1080p. You're 100% right, this old hardware can definitely still have some life left in it. And now with all the old parts I have laying around, I'm seriously considering trying to attempt a compact PC build that I can easily take with me so I can game at friend's places or when I'm on vacation in my hotel room. The fact you put all that in an optiplex is just amazing. I absolutely love those kinds of "sleeper builds."
@@RedVRCC research, time & Patience will reward you with some great performance. I had an Rx 480 8gb I truly loved especially when over clocked. You're absolutely right, being an enthusiast pays off big time lol. I also would like to have a SFF to carry around to my friends & family. I respect consoles but however PC gaming is truly underrated. Much respect to you.
@@sirdeemeetree ayy glad to see someone who knows what's up. PC gaming is truly unmatched and plus you can do so much more with it. I'll never go back, plus I always have this sense of pride looking at my PC and being like "hey, I built that". Good luck to you if you build a compact system too. Massive respect to you as well man.
Used the 7570 during the pandemic for all our family computers to play world of warcraft classic. Worked perfect in that application. Best 15$/card (got three) I have ever spent for return on investment!
That wx4100 is a really nice find! Got to try one out in a 7th gen i5 optiplex and it definitely keeps up. Sure, it's not up to running Alan Wake 2 but hey Fallout 4 runs just fine.
I own an AMD RX 550, and Nvidia GT 1030, and an Nvidia GT 730 (2GB Zotac model). For games from the Xbox 360/PS3 era the GT 1030 and RX 550 knock the ball outta the park.
I got an rx 550 for $3 dollars at a store that sells old computers from the university, i found it in a bin full of 7570s, dead quadros with no cooler, and just old stuff.
7570 can be find for 15$ but you can find it in 2 and 4 gb variants and those produce 560-580 points in heaven on basic preset but they have big overclocking headroom on memory and especially the 2gb samsung ddr5 variants of r5 430 can oc to 1300mhz on memory and match gt 1030 in heaven there is also one generation you are missing radeon w4300 -4gb gcn 2.0 , underclocked hd7790/r7 260x and 260x with 2gb gives around 2000 points in basic heaven benchmark
My sons Optiplex 3020 has a 1GB 8570 right now. It's just an emulation machine for PS2/GC and it does that darn well with upscaling. Can even run some 360/PS3 era games at 720p or 1080p low. Going to grab a Xeon and some more ram to see if the HD card can maintain 6th generation emulation. Later I planned on grabbing him an RX550 to open up the system a bit. I have a 6400, but PCIE Gen 2 is going to limit that a bit. I have other plans for a Steambox I want to get us, so lol
I thought I would point out why the frame rate seemed to top out at the P620 and didn't go up much from there despite the Heaven scores increasing. Take a look at the overlay in the corner and pay attention to the GPU utilization. The GPU's are being bottlenecked and they aren't fully utilized. The 4th Gen CPU just isn't enough to keep up at these settings and a faster CPU would change the results dramatically. As it sits, this is more a CPU benchmark from the P620 on up.
@TheGameBench Gotcha. I see what you are saying. So if I did the same experiment with my HP Z2 G4 with the i7-8700 the results would be much different I’m assuming…Looking forward to some new content from you dude.
@@basicdadtech In performance mode, I'm thinking it would still be bottlenecked. Just watched some testing with a 5600X which should be a little faster than the 8700 with single core speed, and it could only keep the 6400 at 60% to 70% utilized most of the time. Performance mode is just incredibly optimized, it's tough to be GPU bound. If you tested on low settings, I think that would get you fully GPU bound on all of these.
RX 550, Quadro P620, WX100 and RX 6400 are all okay, the GT 1030, and 7570 perform like crap and likely won't have the dx12 support. Personally, I would get a RTX 3050 Low Profile from Amazon as they are like $179 RX 550 and GT 1030 would only be recommended if you play light games like minecraft, Roblox, Fortnite, GTA V or watch videos. If you have an old PC (2010-2016) I would recommend the Nvidia Quadro P620 ($50-75 on eBay), as it gives good performance and should have driver support for a couple more years. If you have a more modern (2017+) I would then recommend plopping in a RTX 3050, as it's only $179, has ray tracing and mesh shader support (which will be necessary for recent games like Alan Wake 2, Avatar Frontiers of Pandora, etc.)
It's definitely cool to see this old hardware in action and it's quite wholesome that you share your passion for this kind of gaming with your kids but please tell me you don't give your kids shit like 1030s for their bdays. They might want to play actually modern games.
@@basicdadtechEveryone says that. Just hear me out. (Msi) Gt 1030 DDR4 OC edition. Tweak around some Navida...ad some msi after burner. And with a i5 - 10400 @3.6 with 32GB DDR4 and a 870 sata III SSD. I RP (roleplay) via FiveM and GTA. It is very very very taxing. I can grab 60+ fps with alot settings not on potato graphics. Just gotta know what you're doing. Now I will state. The card is not suited for 100+ people in a city around eachother. Expect 15 frames if you are lucky. Just the limitations of the card. Its worth every bit of $100 IF you have to get a LP GPU. Me now. I would have maybe chose a different route. I didn't know my MB had a free power supply connector for a GPU. Soooo I could be running much more. Lesson learned. But at the end of the day. I still have a blast with this card.
@@Saurin192 yes but the RX 6400 only has x4 lanes so it's running at PCIe 3.0x4. If the 600 g1 has an H81 chipset (not sure but the Dell Optiplex 3020 is that way), then it's only PCIe 2.0x4. MOAR bottleneck. But if you're running within VRAM and not streaming a bunch of textures constantly, then the bottleneck is not the PCIe bus... you get what is probably going on here - CPU bottleneck holding back 5 out of 6 cards. An E3 1241 v3 is only about an i7-4770 equivalent.
If "Low Profile" means single slot with below 75 watt of power and requires no extra PCIe power connector, then RTX 3060M could be the winner. There's RTX 3060M only being sold in Asia which technically a Laptop GPU swapped into Desktop PCB.
@@radioraffa my point still stand out. RTX 3060M Desktop swap is very narrow. Almost looks like barebone of GT1030. The total size of PCB is very small.
I have a HP prodesk 600 G2 and a WX 3100 card. With the card in the computer will not boot. When the card is out the computer will boot but slowly. I’m running a Kingston 240 ssd and have changed the power supply to a 450 watt, CPU is i5-6500. I’ve updated bios and factory reset bios. Any idea of why my pc will not boot up?
Did you plug the video cable into the actual graphics card? Most of the time onboard video is disabled when a graphics card is installed... Could be a bad card as well...
Low profile is the size, they are generally half height of a full size PCI-E card so they fit in a bunch of smaller form factor case PCs (and often cheap dell or hp ex-workstations)
@@radioraffa okay so do we need to connect the psu pins to GPU? Like 6 pin something like that? See we do not want any cable for gt1030 right? Is there any gpu similar to that?
your chart having all but one of the GPUs grouped in the same class (which is clearly not the case) tells me you are CPU-bound, which means that it's not a really good test of GPU. To test GPUs, you want to have as much CPU as possible, and a Xeon E3-1241 v3, which is an i7-4770 equivalent, ain't it. If you really want to test these cards with that rig, you need a game that isn't so CPU-dependent and is more of a test of a GPU, or you need a better CPU, which you can't really get into that platform. At least you didn't have VSYNC on this time, I think, but STILL you don't know how to test GPUs. You need to add a few sensors to your Afterburner overlay to show CPU usage and GPU usage percentage. If you're seeing 100% or close on either one, there's the bottleneck. I guarantee with most of these cards that you would be seeing nearly 100% CPU in Fortnite. And if you're seeing that... well, you're not actually testing the GPU. If you must test with with Fortnite, take it off of Performance mode. But there are better games to test with. Unfortunately, I'm not exactly sure what to tell you to use, but this ain't it. Maybe something like Shadow of the Tomb Raider, that's pretty GPU intensive (and has a built-in benchmark). I was about to say Jedi Fallen Order, which really pushes the GPU, but that game kind of maxes out my CPU (which is weak, an i5-4590) so I can't say if an E3-1241 v3 will fare any better. I realize you're working with what you have, but I'm just saying that Fortnite isn't the best test of a GPU. Just maybe a different game, or if it has to be Fortnite, crank the graphics settings, although that's not what you'd actually do in a competition situation. So maybe something else. Anyone got ideas? I've got a spare Steam key of Mortal Kombat XL I could send your way but I'm not sure if that's a) a relevant game to most gamers, b) even a challenge to run anymore since it's so old. Basically if you can't make 60fps on it (its cap), what's wrong with your computer? LOL. So probably not that either.
Trash the video, offer haphazard advice that, while true to a degree, doesn't actually help, and then offer to send them a steam key for a 9 year old game that has less relevance than anything else listed here. God I love the internet.
The way I see it, the video isn't so much as "how good are these gpus at Fortnite", but rather "how do these specific gpus compare to each other in Fortnite, with this cpu and ram". IT was a good video.
@@13bmitchell trash my comment, not realize I'm not trying to criticize so much as help, and then not offer any suggestions of your own while pretending I'm the bad guy here. I know, the internet's a hoot.
I have an rx550 4gb in my Dell optiplex coupled with an i7 2600, 16gb gddr3 (1333mhz dual channel) 240gb SSD boot drive & 500gb HDD I repurposed. On top of adding Wi-Fi and Bluetooth, I play on this machine more than my i9-9900k & 2070s. Long story short, if you know what you're doing you'll appreciate old tech. I salute you BasicDadTech
I had a 580 up until just recently in 2022 when I upgraded to a 3060. That thing was still kicking and handling VR pretty good. With a decent OC on it, I was still running some of the newest games at the time on medium graphics at 1080p. You're 100% right, this old hardware can definitely still have some life left in it.
And now with all the old parts I have laying around, I'm seriously considering trying to attempt a compact PC build that I can easily take with me so I can game at friend's places or when I'm on vacation in my hotel room.
The fact you put all that in an optiplex is just amazing. I absolutely love those kinds of "sleeper builds."
@@RedVRCC research, time & Patience will reward you with some great performance. I had an Rx 480 8gb I truly loved especially when over clocked.
You're absolutely right, being an enthusiast pays off big time lol. I also would like to have a SFF to carry around to my friends & family. I respect consoles but however PC gaming is truly underrated. Much respect to you.
@@sirdeemeetree ayy glad to see someone who knows what's up. PC gaming is truly unmatched and plus you can do so much more with it. I'll never go back, plus I always have this sense of pride looking at my PC and being like "hey, I built that". Good luck to you if you build a compact system too. Massive respect to you as well man.
@@RedVRCClikewise. You as well my brother
@@RedVRCCcan i have ur 580 🙏
THE INFINITY STONES OF LOW PROFILE GPUS
Used the 7570 during the pandemic for all our family computers to play world of warcraft classic. Worked perfect in that application. Best 15$/card (got three) I have ever spent for return on investment!
Great video. Other budget options may be the Quadro k1200 and Quadro k620.
K620 my go to for 720p gaming
Just the kind of video I'm looking for, thanks !
I really enjoy this type of videos which involve old hardware. Best wishes from Panama 🇵🇦
That wx4100 is a really nice find! Got to try one out in a 7th gen i5 optiplex and it definitely keeps up. Sure, it's not up to running Alan Wake 2 but hey Fallout 4 runs just fine.
I own an AMD RX 550, and Nvidia GT 1030, and an Nvidia GT 730 (2GB Zotac model). For games from the Xbox 360/PS3 era the GT 1030 and RX 550 knock the ball outta the park.
can u give me any of these 🙏
I got an rx 550 for $3 dollars at a store that sells old computers from the university, i found it in a bin full of 7570s, dead quadros with no cooler, and just old stuff.
Great video!
I got the mad r5 430 and it’s great for the price but I’m tryna upgrade
7570 can be find for 15$ but you can find it in 2 and 4 gb variants and those produce 560-580 points in heaven on basic preset but they have big overclocking headroom on memory and especially the 2gb samsung ddr5 variants of r5 430 can oc to 1300mhz on memory and match gt 1030 in heaven
there is also one generation you are missing radeon w4300 -4gb gcn 2.0 , underclocked hd7790/r7 260x and 260x with 2gb gives around 2000 points in basic heaven benchmark
i loved this type of video also what were your settings for fortnite? ♥🙏
oh i just realized its at the top at the end
those little hd 7570's love some overclocking.
My sons Optiplex 3020 has a 1GB 8570 right now. It's just an emulation machine for PS2/GC and it does that darn well with upscaling. Can even run some 360/PS3 era games at 720p or 1080p low. Going to grab a Xeon and some more ram to see if the HD card can maintain 6th generation emulation. Later I planned on grabbing him an RX550 to open up the system a bit. I have a 6400, but PCIE Gen 2 is going to limit that a bit. I have other plans for a Steambox I want to get us, so lol
I thought I would point out why the frame rate seemed to top out at the P620 and didn't go up much from there despite the Heaven scores increasing. Take a look at the overlay in the corner and pay attention to the GPU utilization. The GPU's are being bottlenecked and they aren't fully utilized. The 4th Gen CPU just isn't enough to keep up at these settings and a faster CPU would change the results dramatically. As it sits, this is more a CPU benchmark from the P620 on up.
@TheGameBench Gotcha. I see what you are saying. So if I did the same experiment with my HP Z2 G4 with the i7-8700 the results would be much different I’m assuming…Looking forward to some new content from you dude.
@@basicdadtech In performance mode, I'm thinking it would still be bottlenecked. Just watched some testing with a 5600X which should be a little faster than the 8700 with single core speed, and it could only keep the 6400 at 60% to 70% utilized most of the time. Performance mode is just incredibly optimized, it's tough to be GPU bound. If you tested on low settings, I think that would get you fully GPU bound on all of these.
RX 550, Quadro P620, WX100 and RX 6400 are all okay, the GT 1030, and 7570 perform like crap and likely won't have the dx12 support. Personally, I would get a RTX 3050 Low Profile from Amazon as they are like $179
RX 550 and GT 1030 would only be recommended if you play light games like minecraft, Roblox, Fortnite, GTA V or watch videos.
If you have an old PC (2010-2016) I would recommend the Nvidia Quadro P620 ($50-75 on eBay), as it gives good performance and should have driver support for a couple more years.
If you have a more modern (2017+) I would then recommend plopping in a RTX 3050, as it's only $179, has ray tracing and mesh shader support (which will be necessary for recent games like Alan Wake 2, Avatar Frontiers of Pandora, etc.)
the 1030 is a pascal chip and supports dx 12.1. the 7570 is a terascale2 chip and supports dx11
It's definitely cool to see this old hardware in action and it's quite wholesome that you share your passion for this kind of gaming with your kids but please tell me you don't give your kids shit like 1030s for their bdays. They might want to play actually modern games.
Budget hardware isn't always ideal, but kids don't always get what they want. A kid could still have a lot of fun on a 1030.
Im surprised you dont have the quadro k620 in this list. Its basically a gt1030 for 25$ on eBay.
Is the wx4100 unlock or is it a stock GPU ? After unlocking it the performance should be close to a RX 560.
I have a cooler swapped RX 550 and 4100. i use the rx 550 as the gaming gpu, so i use the better cooler on it
hello BasicDadTech i have gt 1030 but i dont get that fps
my cpu is i5 6500 3.2 ghz ? thanks for answering
You might have the DDR4 version. That one would be significantly less performance.
@@basicdadtechEveryone says that. Just hear me out. (Msi) Gt 1030 DDR4 OC edition. Tweak around some Navida...ad some msi after burner. And with a i5 - 10400 @3.6 with 32GB DDR4 and a 870 sata III SSD. I RP (roleplay) via FiveM and GTA. It is very very very taxing. I can grab 60+ fps with alot settings not on potato graphics. Just gotta know what you're doing.
Now I will state. The card is not suited for 100+ people in a city around eachother. Expect 15 frames if you are lucky. Just the limitations of the card. Its worth every bit of $100 IF you have to get a LP GPU. Me now. I would have maybe chose a different route. I didn't know my MB had a free power supply connector for a GPU. Soooo I could be running much more. Lesson learned. But at the end of the day. I still have a blast with this card.
how u can make your gpu work 100% my cpu r5 3600 and rtx 4060 my gpu only work in fortnite 20-30% why
Not sure how the WX 4100 beat the RX 6400. On the list, the RX 6400 are more powerful than any of the board.
You’re right. I’m sure in other games the RX 6400 beats the WX 4100.
@@basicdadtech PCIe 3.0 greatly limits the performance of the RX 6400, since it is PCIe 4.0. The 600 g1 has pcie 3.0 x16.
@Saurin192 Forgot about that. Makes sense now.
@@Saurin192 yes but the RX 6400 only has x4 lanes so it's running at PCIe 3.0x4. If the 600 g1 has an H81 chipset (not sure but the Dell Optiplex 3020 is that way), then it's only PCIe 2.0x4. MOAR bottleneck. But if you're running within VRAM and not streaming a bunch of textures constantly, then the bottleneck is not the PCIe bus... you get what is probably going on here - CPU bottleneck holding back 5 out of 6 cards. An E3 1241 v3 is only about an i7-4770 equivalent.
@@SeeJayPlayGames WX4100 also runs on a 128 bit bus, so that combined with everything listed above does not help the RX 6400.
1030 had lower avg but 1% lows were the best over 77 fps compared to rx6400 at 25 fps
Too bad we can’t put them all in one riser card and use them together like a mining rig LOL.
Arc A310 is a nice option for around $100
You should review the 6gb 3050 lp
@eduardoleiva4959 I did recently use that in a video. Great card. Definitely better than the ones in this video.
intel arc a310
If "Low Profile" means single slot with below 75 watt of power and requires no extra PCIe power connector, then RTX 3060M could be the winner.
There's RTX 3060M only being sold in Asia which technically a Laptop GPU swapped into Desktop PCB.
No. "Low profile" means a narrower card that fits in smaller /skinny computers.
@@radioraffa my point still stand out.
RTX 3060M Desktop swap is very narrow. Almost looks like barebone of GT1030.
The total size of PCB is very small.
Arc a310?
I have a HP prodesk 600 G2 and a WX 3100 card. With the card in the computer will not boot. When the card is out the computer will boot but slowly. I’m running a Kingston 240 ssd and have changed the power supply to a 450 watt, CPU is i5-6500. I’ve updated bios and factory reset bios. Any idea of why my pc will not boot up?
Did you plug the video cable into the actual graphics card? Most of the time onboard video is disabled when a graphics card is installed...
Could be a bad card as well...
@@ghostfreckle yes I did do that. I haven’t found a way to check the card with another computer yet. That’ll be my next step.
@@ChrisThedudenurseGo into bios and LOAD DEFAULTS. Maybe you have a setting changed and it’s causing the issue.
Hey, so does the low profile mean, graphics card that work without any cables , right? Plug and play gpu's
Low profile is the size, they are generally half height of a full size PCI-E card so they fit in a bunch of smaller form factor case PCs (and often cheap dell or hp ex-workstations)
Low profile means a narrower card that fits in smaller / skinny computers
@@radioraffa okay so do we need to connect the psu pins to GPU? Like 6 pin something like that?
See we do not want any cable for gt1030 right? Is there any gpu similar to that?
1030 is the goat
your chart having all but one of the GPUs grouped in the same class (which is clearly not the case) tells me you are CPU-bound, which means that it's not a really good test of GPU. To test GPUs, you want to have as much CPU as possible, and a Xeon E3-1241 v3, which is an i7-4770 equivalent, ain't it. If you really want to test these cards with that rig, you need a game that isn't so CPU-dependent and is more of a test of a GPU, or you need a better CPU, which you can't really get into that platform. At least you didn't have VSYNC on this time, I think, but STILL you don't know how to test GPUs. You need to add a few sensors to your Afterburner overlay to show CPU usage and GPU usage percentage. If you're seeing 100% or close on either one, there's the bottleneck. I guarantee with most of these cards that you would be seeing nearly 100% CPU in Fortnite. And if you're seeing that... well, you're not actually testing the GPU.
If you must test with with Fortnite, take it off of Performance mode. But there are better games to test with. Unfortunately, I'm not exactly sure what to tell you to use, but this ain't it. Maybe something like Shadow of the Tomb Raider, that's pretty GPU intensive (and has a built-in benchmark). I was about to say Jedi Fallen Order, which really pushes the GPU, but that game kind of maxes out my CPU (which is weak, an i5-4590) so I can't say if an E3-1241 v3 will fare any better.
I realize you're working with what you have, but I'm just saying that Fortnite isn't the best test of a GPU. Just maybe a different game, or if it has to be Fortnite, crank the graphics settings, although that's not what you'd actually do in a competition situation. So maybe something else. Anyone got ideas? I've got a spare Steam key of Mortal Kombat XL I could send your way but I'm not sure if that's a) a relevant game to most gamers, b) even a challenge to run anymore since it's so old. Basically if you can't make 60fps on it (its cap), what's wrong with your computer? LOL. So probably not that either.
Trash the video, offer haphazard advice that, while true to a degree, doesn't actually help, and then offer to send them a steam key for a 9 year old game that has less relevance than anything else listed here.
God I love the internet.
The way I see it, the video isn't so much as "how good are these gpus at Fortnite", but rather "how do these specific gpus compare to each other in Fortnite, with this cpu and ram".
IT was a good video.
@@13bmitchell
@@13bmitchell trash my comment, not realize I'm not trying to criticize so much as help, and then not offer any suggestions of your own while pretending I'm the bad guy here.
I know, the internet's a hoot.
Fortnite a more cpu intensive game.