Folks, I just want to say this video was very helpful for me as I was considering one of these cars. I recently bought a 2016 E400 coupe with 31,000km on it. Agree with many of the comments in this video - car is built very solid, has everything you need and can easily put in CarPlay afterwards. As these types of cars are falling out of favour, they are very unique to have and you can't go wrong with this generation of E Coupe. Great video review!
I like the exterior design of the C207 better. Smaller car being built on the C class chassis. More reliable era of Mercedes as well. More simple interior - i dont need all the fancy sparkly stuff that came in the w213. Also, a good example of a W212 with low mileage is a much better buy than a W213. @@MultiCjrox
Same 🙋 2016 E400 coupe. Got used with 70K on it and now 105K and still no complaints. Ironically, I was at the shop looking at a C43 AMG, gave the E400 a test drive out of curiosity and ended up leaving with it.
@@SpiralHorizon Very nice, good to hear the car has been reliable. Good choice over the C43. Curious - did your 2016 come with CarPlay as standard installed?
@@MultiCjrox In my country, decent w212 is half the price of a beat up w213 on the second hand market. I cannot afford a new model and I don't like taking a loan.
I have the same car here in the states but it's as a 2014 E350 Coupe with the 3.5 V6, 302hp / 273tq. I have not had any issues out of this engine. It's been reliable and very smooth. Currently 122,000 miles on the clock and it's still running great. I just don't do oil changes every 10k miles per Mercedes guidelines. I do them every 5k miles or 6 months whichever comes first. Just doesn't feel right waiting for 10k miles. The only issues I've ran into since owning this car is the steering wheel adjustor. It's a common problem with this model and many others in this era where it'll get stuck in the up position. I'm 6'6" so it's already at the right height for me so not too worried but that's the only problem I've had. All in all I love the car and it's a great highway cruiser and long distance vacation / holiday ride.
@@pritchettdan Yep mine was in Mars Red as well. Beautiful color. I've since traded it though. When I traded it had 134k miles on it and was still problem free. Upgraded to a 2016 E550 coupe. And here....already spending 'upkeep' costs lol. I have timing covers leaking which is common on the M278 engine. While there, replacing all coolant lines including turbo lines. Replacing camshaft solenoids (known to leak into the wiring) since they will have the covers already off, might as well do them too. Few other odds and ends. Thinking it's going to run a little over 2 grand for everything I need done by Mercedes. So on that part, I'm missing the simpler side and problem free v6 lol.
The 3,5 liter version is actually A LOT less reliable than the 3.0 liter version. The 3.0 liter version is much stronger built and has no common problems whatsoever. The problem list for the 3,5 liter version is long, starting from NOX sensors to timing chain problems and tilting pistons. The 3.0 liter version is also completely identical to the C43 AMG engine (everything from pistons to turbos) so the tuning possibilities are fantastic.
@@ParagonCarsLondon Yes there is a lot online. Like I said search for NOX sensors or timing chain M267 and it will come up. The 3.0 liter engine has no NOX sensors for example and a completely redesigned timing chain. It’s also a lot of personal experience because I work for Mercedes Benz here in Germany.
@@neb6304 Äußerlich gar nicht. Nur mit Fahrgestellnummer. Da steht dann in der Datenkarte welcher Motor verbaut ist. Im Internet ist in den Inseraten aber auch immer der Hubraum angegeben. Der 3,0 Liter hat 2996ccm. Ansonsten steht’s natürlich im Fahrzeugschein.
wonderful review, excellent points, well articulated! This car got so much shit for being partly built on the c class, while being a really fun drive; especially with the V6! Good of you to put some shine on this beauty! I don't regret going from this to the 2017 model a few months ago though, I love my (new to me) e coupe and it really was a bargain! No creaky stuff in my car either ;)!
I had the 3.5-version for 4 years. No troubles at all. The car has the full torque at 1.200 rpm already, which gives you a slingshot-start. In Sport-Mode the car reacts superfast to the pedal. I do not recommend using Sport-Mode in traffic-jam, else you jump the guy infront of you in the back. It's a bit thirsty with 12 liters on 100 kilometers. On the Autobahn you go 100-200 in like 13 seconds. It's fast enough to do enough shit.
Im thinking of upgrading my 2012 c350 cdi to one of these. Stage 1 map, exhaust, some eibach springs for a small lowering, this would be a really good all rounder
These are such a good do everything car, and that engine sounds amazing in the 43s, would definitely love one of them. But... I so wish it had the more responsive and faster shifting 9G MCT from the 43s.
I just now found out about the second 212 refresh i wasn't even looking at them because until i did research i thlought they were 213 and out of my price range until i did a little shopping around. Absolute bargain and then just get a renntech or weistec tune
These have caught my eye. Currently have a 2008 Alfa Brera Prodrive 2.2 which has been a fantastic car, still looks great and feels special inside. Lovely seats, glass roof, still turns heads and is good to drive and it’s held up really well at 140k miles - have had no real non-routine work other than moisture in rear lights. I’m looking to replace and would get another Alfa coupe if it had been replaced so this is top of my list - has the same big glass roof and lovely looking seats but also all the technology I don’t have now like good LED headlights as well as a huge step up in performance (2.2 Brera is showing it’s age with performance/economy so this would be less thirsty too despite all the extra shove). Blows my mind how cheap some are
I need help! Is a e400 coupe 2015 with 70,000 miles on it for 16,000$ a good deal? And is it worth it and does the car have common issues or devastating issues I should know about?
Yes that’s a good deal I work for a dealership I’m about to pick up a 2016 with 71k miles for like 18k so you definitely found a good deal! I’m also going for the 4 matic so that makes them a little more pricey
I just found a 2014 for 12k with 50k miles on it. I might just get it. I'm just worried about when it need maintenance. Don't want to pay an arm and a leg.
I have a M235i coupe at the moment and have been looking at these as M240's and M140i are just silly money at the moment and i can't find anything else that isn't a downgrade. Do you reckon after some tuning and love one of these will be a step up albeit a small one from my current?
@@lukesmith115 They are awesome cars no doubt. If I were you I'd save a but longer and get a 240i though. If you're anything like me and like modding your cars, you can stretch much further with performance on the b58 engine. You won't be regretting having a 235i by any means but if I could go back a year I'd of held off and got a 240. Tiny splash better on fuel if that matters. The 240's are newer too so better stuff as standard.. sometimes. Not always. You can pick a m140i up for good money if you like them, for me the coupe is so much nicer though, however they are pricey at the moment.
@@lukesmith115 Sorry also at the price point there isn't much better I'd say. Depends on what you want. The M lites come with a lot of nice equipment as standard which you won't get on other makes. Also I find pound per bhp is always better when it comes to bmw. You can pay the same money for a merc but it won't be as quick because of the badge tax lol.
@@lukesmith115 It's a cracking car. If you can, try and save for the m240i as the B58 is a better engine. If not then just make sure you find a well maintained m235i.
I had the 3.5 litre V6 version. This was most problematic car I have ever owned. Failed water pump, constantly needed software reloads and a gearbox with truly awful mapping in normal drive mode. He’s driving this in sport mode which is better.
No AMG on the dash, no AMG motor to begin with. 🤣 You do realize everyone who sees a person driving with an AMG badge on an obvious non-AMG E400 thinks they are are a tool, right? Well, not everyone...only the people who are the ones the person who glued the fake badge on it are trying to impress. Everyone else doesn't even know to care. That's like batting 1000 in the tool department. Wait, it this how they do it in the UK? Do MB's come with AMG badges on the back just becuase they have the sport wheels?
AMG on the back means the car has an AMG line, for example, the front chrome bar and lower side sills that are a little sharper 😉 , Worse are the cases of those who put AMG on a model that has nothing to do with it. It's fine with this car 👌
AMG has been added to all AMGLine cars for ages, so I always laugh when I hear comments like yours. Those like you in the know , know what a real AMG is and that is all we need to worry about. You aren’t fooled. For everyone else it’s merely a badge . So really not worth getting one’s knickers in a twist. On a sidebar , he mentions comfy car …. A true AMG would not fit that mould .. Loud, brash, stiff suspension ….your arse feels every bump in the shitty UK roads. And for that you pay a premium…mmm
That's not a bargain .... not even 2 years ago. I just bought a late 2013 C250 CDI Coupe with 132k miles, a full MOT and no faults and full MBSH for £3,200. That's a bargain. Bargains are usually private sales. You won't see many genuine bargains on used car garage forecourts. It's a lovely car mind, but £9k would be a bargain for that car - even 2 years ago.
Bluetooth audio? Geeez - let me load up my guns! Does it come with anti lock braking system too? How about disk brakes? What’s wrong with you, dude? Why?
@@MercedesMan that’s good, the 2016 e400 over in the UK is a 3.5. I’ve heard it’s best to avoid this one and get the earlier 3.0, apparently more reliable which definitely won’t have CarPlay. Easy retrofit though
@@bigtommy5977 the 3.0 is made at the same time as the 3.5. One engines no exactly older design than the other. But it is easier to find 3.0’s. They are made in 2016 unlike the 3.5’s which are 2014-2015 year models only. The 3.0 is 2014-2016
Folks, I just want to say this video was very helpful for me as I was considering one of these cars. I recently bought a 2016 E400 coupe with 31,000km on it. Agree with many of the comments in this video - car is built very solid, has everything you need and can easily put in CarPlay afterwards. As these types of cars are falling out of favour, they are very unique to have and you can't go wrong with this generation of E Coupe. Great video review!
what drew you to the w212 as opposed to the sparkly new w213 model?
I like the exterior design of the C207 better. Smaller car being built on the C class chassis. More reliable era of Mercedes as well. More simple interior - i dont need all the fancy sparkly stuff that came in the w213. Also, a good example of a W212 with low mileage is a much better buy than a W213. @@MultiCjrox
Same 🙋 2016 E400 coupe. Got used with 70K on it and now 105K and still no complaints. Ironically, I was at the shop looking at a C43 AMG, gave the E400 a test drive out of curiosity and ended up leaving with it.
@@SpiralHorizon Very nice, good to hear the car has been reliable. Good choice over the C43. Curious - did your 2016 come with CarPlay as standard installed?
@@MultiCjrox In my country, decent w212 is half the price of a beat up w213 on the second hand market. I cannot afford a new model and I don't like taking a loan.
I have 2014 E400
Its a marvelous car ❤
A really beautiful car. I had an E400 a long time ago, really fell in love with driving it as a daily.
This is the best c207 review on youtube ⭐
Big call.
@@SteveSUX2BU cant stand carwow!
I have the same car here in the states but it's as a 2014 E350 Coupe with the 3.5 V6, 302hp / 273tq. I have not had any issues out of this engine. It's been reliable and very smooth. Currently 122,000 miles on the clock and it's still running great. I just don't do oil changes every 10k miles per Mercedes guidelines. I do them every 5k miles or 6 months whichever comes first. Just doesn't feel right waiting for 10k miles. The only issues I've ran into since owning this car is the steering wheel adjustor. It's a common problem with this model and many others in this era where it'll get stuck in the up position. I'm 6'6" so it's already at the right height for me so not too worried but that's the only problem I've had. All in all I love the car and it's a great highway cruiser and long distance vacation / holiday ride.
Same problem here with steering wheel adjustor, mine is 2016 lol
I’ve got the same car in Mars Red. Stunning automobile.
@@pritchettdan Yep mine was in Mars Red as well. Beautiful color. I've since traded it though. When I traded it had 134k miles on it and was still problem free. Upgraded to a 2016 E550 coupe. And here....already spending 'upkeep' costs lol. I have timing covers leaking which is common on the M278 engine. While there, replacing all coolant lines including turbo lines. Replacing camshaft solenoids (known to leak into the wiring) since they will have the covers already off, might as well do them too. Few other odds and ends. Thinking it's going to run a little over 2 grand for everything I need done by Mercedes. So on that part, I'm missing the simpler side and problem free v6 lol.
Perfect review, you mentioned all important. Great that you tested it on B roads too.
A gem of a beast , smooth , powerful and comfortable,pity they stopped making these
I have the 2015 E550 convertible. Love it to every bit. 4.7 V8 twin turbo sounds just like an AMG.
You keep bangin on about old man's cars Mr Paragon
Had this one in 250d. Loved the car. Special and premium.. and yeah thé sound system was amazing..
The 3,5 liter version is actually A LOT less reliable than the 3.0 liter version. The 3.0 liter version is much stronger built and has no common problems whatsoever. The problem list for the 3,5 liter version is long, starting from NOX sensors to timing chain problems and tilting pistons. The 3.0 liter version is also completely identical to the C43 AMG engine (everything from pistons to turbos) so the tuning possibilities are fantastic.
Is there anything online referencing these issues? All i found for the 3.5L was a rare timing chain tensioner issue due to poor maintenance.
@@ParagonCarsLondon Yes there is a lot online. Like I said search for NOX sensors or timing chain M267 and it will come up. The 3.0 liter engine has no NOX sensors for example and a completely redesigned timing chain. It’s also a lot of personal experience because I work for Mercedes Benz here in Germany.
@@JustinsSupercars hey woran kann ich die 3 Liter Version erkennen?
@@neb6304 Äußerlich gar nicht. Nur mit Fahrgestellnummer. Da steht dann in der Datenkarte welcher Motor verbaut ist. Im Internet ist in den Inseraten aber auch immer der Hubraum angegeben. Der 3,0 Liter hat 2996ccm. Ansonsten steht’s natürlich im Fahrzeugschein.
@@JustinsSupercars super, danke dir!
wonderful review, excellent points, well articulated! This car got so much shit for being partly built on the c class, while being a really fun drive; especially with the V6! Good of you to put some shine on this beauty! I don't regret going from this to the 2017 model a few months ago though, I love my (new to me) e coupe and it really was a bargain! No creaky stuff in my car either ;)!
I had the 3.5-version for 4 years. No troubles at all. The car has the full torque at 1.200 rpm already, which gives you a slingshot-start. In Sport-Mode the car reacts superfast to the pedal. I do not recommend using Sport-Mode in traffic-jam, else you jump the guy infront of you in the back. It's a bit thirsty with 12 liters on 100 kilometers. On the Autobahn you go 100-200 in like 13 seconds. It's fast enough to do enough shit.
Got an e 350 d 2015 had it five years never broken down once solid quick car.
Im thinking of upgrading my 2012 c350 cdi to one of these. Stage 1 map, exhaust, some eibach springs for a small lowering, this would be a really good all rounder
YOU DID THE 0-60 IN ECO MODE NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
These are such a good do everything car, and that engine sounds amazing in the 43s, would definitely love one of them. But... I so wish it had the more responsive and faster shifting 9G MCT from the 43s.
surely you'd get better performance if you took it out of eco mode?
@@LynxEng Yeah, i did…
Great video,only one objection..you keep repeating “old guy” ..
I had a E350 bluetec great car just the engine light came on and it was the adblue system. 😞
I just now found out about the second 212 refresh i wasn't even looking at them because until i did research i thlought they were 213 and out of my price range until i did a little shopping around. Absolute bargain and then just get a renntech or weistec tune
Did anyone fit an aftermarket exhaust? Trying to find a good reliable place that would make or install one...
These have caught my eye. Currently have a 2008 Alfa Brera Prodrive 2.2 which has been a fantastic car, still looks great and feels special inside. Lovely seats, glass roof, still turns heads and is good to drive and it’s held up really well at 140k miles - have had no real non-routine work other than moisture in rear lights.
I’m looking to replace and would get another Alfa coupe if it had been replaced so this is top of my list - has the same big glass roof and lovely looking seats but also all the technology I don’t have now like good LED headlights as well as a huge step up in performance (2.2 Brera is showing it’s age with performance/economy so this would be less thirsty too despite all the extra shove). Blows my mind how cheap some are
Thanks so much for the review!
Do gladly own one of these b-pillarless beauties (3.0 litre). So, naturally I fully agree with your statements 😁
Hello I really looking forward to buy E400 3.0 or 3.5 is better in general what’s your opinion.
3.0l is way more reliable. The 3.5 was very problematic
@@oWR3CKL3Zzo thanks 🙏 a lot man.
I need help! Is a e400 coupe 2015 with 70,000 miles on it for 16,000$ a good deal? And is it worth it and does the car have common issues or devastating issues I should know about?
Yes that’s a good deal I work for a dealership I’m about to pick up a 2016 with 71k miles for like 18k so you definitely found a good deal! I’m also going for the 4 matic so that makes them a little more pricey
Get it, that's a good deal
I just found a 2014 for 12k with 50k miles on it. I might just get it. I'm just worried about when it need maintenance. Don't want to pay an arm and a leg.
Great video. I’d love to have this😍
I have a M235i coupe at the moment and have been looking at these as M240's and M140i are just silly money at the moment and i can't find anything else that isn't a downgrade.
Do you reckon after some tuning and love one of these will be a step up albeit a small one from my current?
with a remap and aftermarket exhaust it'd be a perfect car to have whilst you're waiting for a 240i. Still surprised how fun this e400 was.
how do u rate the m235i ive been looking at getting one for 15/16k are there any better choices in the market?
@@lukesmith115 They are awesome cars no doubt. If I were you I'd save a but longer and get a 240i though. If you're anything like me and like modding your cars, you can stretch much further with performance on the b58 engine. You won't be regretting having a 235i by any means but if I could go back a year I'd of held off and got a 240. Tiny splash better on fuel if that matters. The 240's are newer too so better stuff as standard.. sometimes. Not always. You can pick a m140i up for good money if you like them, for me the coupe is so much nicer though, however they are pricey at the moment.
@@lukesmith115 Sorry also at the price point there isn't much better I'd say. Depends on what you want. The M lites come with a lot of nice equipment as standard which you won't get on other makes. Also I find pound per bhp is always better when it comes to bmw. You can pay the same money for a merc but it won't be as quick because of the badge tax lol.
@@lukesmith115 It's a cracking car. If you can, try and save for the m240i as the B58 is a better engine. If not then just make sure you find a well maintained m235i.
You should do the 30-70 in the sports mode
car was in sports mode, just comes up with M when you touch the paddles
This car has a sports mode?
@@marco7838 - All Mercedes-Benz 5G, 7G and 9G gearboxes have sports mode.
I have one with red leather interior
Sport edition is in red... marvelous ❤
any chance you know the name/code of the 3.0L engine that comes in the 2015 US version of the e400 coupe
it should still be the M276
Nah it’s the m212, 3.0 6cyl, 330 horsepower something like that, only 30 up difference from c43
I have a e350 cdi 265hp and I dream to have one of these coupe ❤
I had that exact same car before my E400. Very strong car, good gasoline-consumption. Perfect for long trips.
So it’s as fast as bmw m3 f80 or e92?
Faster
@@vicjones3992really?
Omg it looks soooo beautiful , I have one
How many miles are on the clock?
was over 80,000, but still felt like new to drive.
'...Show its age...'!? That's brand new, here in the South West.
having the camera mounted to your head made it unwatchable for me
An old mans car some would say in a derogatory way not realising there is NO substitute for experience.
Cool
I had the 3.5 litre V6 version. This was most problematic car I have ever owned. Failed water pump, constantly needed software reloads and a gearbox with truly awful mapping in normal drive mode. He’s driving this in sport mode which is better.
You don’t think this car is good?
@@sheedvv4316 - He didn't say that. Just that his was a nightmare. You do sometimes get bad cars, individually.
Nice review but your POV is making dizzy 🤢
No AMG on the dash, no AMG motor to begin with. 🤣 You do realize everyone who sees a person driving with an AMG badge on an obvious non-AMG E400 thinks they are are a tool, right? Well, not everyone...only the people who are the ones the person who glued the fake badge on it are trying to impress. Everyone else doesn't even know to care. That's like batting 1000 in the tool department. Wait, it this how they do it in the UK? Do MB's come with AMG badges on the back just becuase they have the sport wheels?
AMG on the back means the car has an AMG line, for example, the front chrome bar and lower side sills that are a little sharper 😉 , Worse are the cases of those who put AMG on a model that has nothing to do with it. It's fine with this car 👌
AMG has been added to all AMGLine cars for ages, so I always laugh when I hear comments like yours.
Those like you in the know , know what a real AMG is and that is all we need to worry about. You aren’t fooled.
For everyone else it’s merely a badge .
So really not worth getting one’s knickers in a twist.
On a sidebar , he mentions comfy car ….
A true AMG would not fit that mould ..
Loud, brash, stiff suspension ….your arse feels every bump in the shitty UK roads. And for that you pay a premium…mmm
It comes like that as standard. It's AMG-line. We can all see who the tool is 😆
Driving that thing like you stole it 😂😂
That's not a bargain .... not even 2 years ago. I just bought a late 2013 C250 CDI Coupe with 132k miles, a full MOT and no faults and full MBSH for £3,200. That's a bargain. Bargains are usually private sales. You won't see many genuine bargains on used car garage forecourts. It's a lovely car mind, but £9k would be a bargain for that car - even 2 years ago.
Bluetooth audio? Geeez - let me load up my guns! Does it come with anti lock braking system too? How about disk brakes? What’s wrong with you, dude? Why?
don't see the problem with what he said, I know you'd expect it, but short of CarPlay I don't think there's anything you'd miss more in an older car
@@bigtommy5977also CarPlay is in the 2016 model. Atleast it is in my 2016 C207 E400 3.0 in the states.
@@MercedesMan that’s good, the 2016 e400 over in the UK is a 3.5. I’ve heard it’s best to avoid this one and get the earlier 3.0, apparently more reliable which definitely won’t have CarPlay. Easy retrofit though
@@bigtommy5977 the 3.0 is made at the same time as the 3.5. One engines no exactly older design than the other. But it is easier to find 3.0’s. They are made in 2016 unlike the 3.5’s which are 2014-2015 year models only. The 3.0 is 2014-2016
@@bigtommy5977 so its actually harder to find CarPlay on at 3.5 but yea you could always get it installed somehow im sure