Should have also mentioned that in the hyperbloom teams where I was pleasantly surprised, this is in contrast to how poor my expectations were. He's still only one of the options you can use for defensive utility, and can very much be outperformed by using a more offensive-focused unit as your dendro one with the defensive unit being the electro one with Kuki
🌸😹Of more fruitful credence would it be for one to believe that a single individual could deliver baubles before all the world’s children within a single December night, than to hold faith a Eula rerun would ever yield itself😹🌸
I have been using him in Keqing aggravate and Thoma Burgeon with double dendro, and he has made a lot of my other teams alot smoother than before, especially in abyss 12, i have been able to 36 star the last 2 roations with him He isnt groundbreaking or anything, but he does have a niche and fills it really well
same experience as you. 2 abyss rotations now and exactly as you said not groundbreaking but good. when i get nahida, i'll try the double dendro burgeon, but now using him on double hydro burgeon seems fine
I think double hydro burgeon is an underrated team comp for him since its actually v decent in this particular abyss and has much higher survivability (excluding kokomi variants), but yea i still prefer a nahida koko variation on that team since both baizhu and thoma are so energy hungry. That might change with better burgeon triggers but eh
@@eliwhite6159 ??? Burgeon is for AoE and he doesn't have AoE application, what are you talking about? Double dendro is a must. He can be solo - in hyperbloom. Besides, double hydro is helpful, but usually it's better to add character of different element, especially cryo. It makes same thing protecting auras and helping with reactions, but you are getting additional value.
@@よしみ-x5j You misunderstand how burgeon works and why it's AoE. In burgeon the seeds explode and do AoE damage. It doesn't actually matter that you generated seeds from one enemy or from 5 enemies.
@@ancalyme Nahhh... Of course it still matters, cause it's about the number of seeds, that's one. Second - for better AoE when enemies are more spread out. It can totally change your performance. But besides that there is a grain of truth and yes, situationally it can work fine.
I'm just going to mention, this is my first time watching your video & I already learned so much from not only the video but also your viewers here in comments. You speak your opinion, your viewers speak theirs. Supporting or countering in a good manner. No toxicity. It's rare to find such community very nice.
Very satisfied with Baizhu as hyperbloom driver in the current Abyss (Baizhu / XQ / Yelan / Raiden). Allowed me to transfer Nahida to my scuffed Nilou team on bottom half, which was a HUGE upgrade. Being able to free up Nahida is a big part of his value IMO.
I immediately pulled him for the same reason I pulled Kokomi on her first banner. His QoL in the game is just so great. Yes, I'm sure he's not as great as others in the abyss, but honestly there's more to the game than that. You spend more time farming than playing the abyss and being able to cast his skill once at the end of a domain to fully heal your team for the next round is just so good.
i had the complete opposite experience with baizhu and cyno tbh. the resistance to interruption is pretty much what i expected, but his dendro uptime feels SO nice when the alternatives either stop after a wave of enemies (nahida) or are confined to a circle. cyno's damage not falling off a cliff randomly just feels really nice
His third passive is made redundant by his E, while the passive heals the active character and requires a plant, his E heals the entire party and it's only gated by cooldown. It's a new passive and show's they are trying something other than the god forsaken stamina and cooking passives, but on HIM specifically it's just plain useless.
I really enjoy using Baizhu and Kuki on hyperbloom with another onfield dendro character and xingqiu or yelan. You can Baizhu E, swap to kuki E and basically ignore the entire self damage. Baizhu and kuki combined just means your on field character never dies.
THIS! i've played nahida - baizhu - xingqiu - kuki at 12 floor of previous abyss and it was sooo smooth and simple, i've got 6* for the first room from second try like these beasts were just nothing. and my baizhu was still level 70
@@starvingamnesier I 36 starred top half with this, and was clearing the floors with like 20 seconds to spare. I had less trouble with 1st half using this team (except yelan instead) than I did on the 2nd half with raiden national. Yelan isn't optional on first side because you need something to shoot down the mechanical chicken.
Actually, Kuki never got killed on 12th floor , no need for another healer in my hyperbloom team. I think Baizhu is more useful in there when one is playing Raiden as the hyperbloom trigger.
if Baizhu's dmg bonus was shared to the whole team instead of himself or the onfielder. he would have been alot better imo. same goes for his signatures like i really hate the fact that Energy and Dmg bonus isn't shared to the whole team.
@@felixonline1825 i mean that's with Hyperbloom and Burgeon teams as a whole than yeah. when it comes quickbloom teams than it can be a minor problem specifically those that run Al or Cyno. because not everyone gets the buff often unless if you wanna switch early and ruin your combo. and i'm also talking about how he himself gains dendro dmg bonus and not share it to the whole team.
Funny y'all make that yao yao comparison because i pulled this man specifically because i HATE playing yao yao. Like her character in the story but i hate how her kit works. Snek doctor man found his way into my nilou team with nahida and tartag
As a Cyno player pulling Baizhu was a great decision for the team. He is an AMAZING comfort pick if you struggle to survive in Cyno's burst. I was never a fan of Kuki's risk of dying whenever on field or Yaoyao's on field burst heals so Baizhu feels like an upgrade above them both. Cyno feels practically immortal and having Xingqui on the team makes it so you can spam E to your heart's content. Yelan feels worse defensive wise but really only in fights where there's more than one enemy ( single target bosses get shredded no problem). His off field dendro is also good enough to still proc hyperbloom even after the first wave dies which feels super convenient. Overall I can't stress how comfortable the team feels especially when face tanking everything in front of you. Is he a must pull for that team not really but I guess who is. He is definitely a worthwhile upgrade imo
Most TC favor quickswap team while quiet bad at hack and slash. They often struggle with long on field dps such like Cyno or Xiao. Cynomains mostly agree Baizhu’s shield is more than enough. For character who TC doesn’t good at, I usually found their guide lackluster or containing many mistake and ppl often ask/talk about it in redd*t.
My Cyno still died a ton in 12-1-1, but Baizhu felt like a huge upgrade for my aggravate Cyno teams. I do have the rather expensive Cyno-Nahida-Baizhu-Fischl variant but I like it. Haven't done 12-1 for 3* yet (and ij the previous rotation I kinda said pfft and only 6*ed floor 12, now it's back to 8*, which is the highest I've had with this monster combo... Still, Baizhu has actually saved my team a lot. I love how if you have a dying character, you can heal them off-field very easily. Basically, Kokomi's ult, Qiqi, Barbara and Jean can heal off-field too, but apart from Kokomi's ult, Qiqi and Jean/Barbara Ults, off-field healing was kinda nonexistent. Ah, Yaoyao heals off-field too, but I don't play her much
@@詩姫-m1c Because need to stay on-field is a pure disadvantage, it's simple. They are right, if it's as long as Cyno and Xiao it's terrible and you barely can find synergies for them. Baizhu also obviously works worse with Cyno than in other teams. It's about so simple facts that no idea what you don't understand. Baizhu surely provides value to Cyno, but it's not great in perspective of the whole game.
I got baizhu accidentally at super low pity while rolling for kaveh, and honestly, he's a really nice comfort character. def not a must pull but it's nice to be able to run nilou bloom with nahida and yao yao and still have a dendro healer to slot into quicken
I rlly wish that baizhus shield and dendro procs were more often than they were. Won't necessarily improve his damage but it would've made his utility so much better 😭
@@aja1644 ? Xingqiu's C6 burst have 60 hits at most (although realistically it hits 50 times or less), applying Hydro 20 times due to standard ICD Baizhu's C2 and burst hits don't have ICD, he easily applies Dendro 18 times in a 20s window.
he was trying to build spin2win kaveh using 4pc bloodstained, but he won't proc xq rainsword that way. Zajef is just isn't happy that all those bloodstained farm got wasted.
@@tyshen0329yeah, xingqiu Q procs with normal atk, of course it won't procs if he use Kaveh's charge atk I pair xingqiu with Kaveh and use Kaveh's NA Since then, these two have been an inseparable duo in my team
at 12:09 why no mention of kuki for hyperbloom as an alternative? seems zajef just forgets kuki exists. as he stated if you want comfort in the team, kuki does what raiden and baizhu do in one kit.
if your dendro and hydro are fast enough, kuki leaves too much seeds on the ground, raiden kinda mitigates some of this problem with her faster electro
@@supanjibobu6132 they are very comparable in terms of dmg overall. thats not the point here what does more dmg. zajef was talking about comfort, which kuki provides in a 2 for 1 kit.
Raiden and Baizhu can be used in a lot of teams. Al Haitham can only be used in Al Haitham's teams lol As a main DPS he's the least valuable pull among these characters, it's Support Impact for a reason. And no one pulls Raiden for hyperbloom. A lot of people have her so they use her in yet another team she's good in.
@@Hezkun yeah. Since I like to have my characters versatile for every team, i just leave nahida on deepwood so she always works and Baizhu on clam so he always works. Just how I like to play cause switching artifacts for every team is cringe
I'm currently playing Baizhu with TTDS and clam set and it's actually working :) no problem with energie regen and I see a lot the effect of the 4 pieces clam set. This might not be he's BIS but on my Cyno team its working :) that save me a fav weapon for another caracter :D PS : my Cyno team is compose of Cyno, Nahida, XQ and Baizhu
I feel Zajef's analyses have been so shallow lately... I was hopeful this follow up video could show more depth than the first impressions one, but it didn't happen. Barely talked about double Dendro options, ignored triple Dendro Spread, etc. At this point, The Genshin Scientist covers the analytic content much better tbqh
It probably is because he came into the whole thing already viewing yaoyao as better Tighnari yae spread team with baizhu, baizhu as a hakushin holder in aggravate, baizhu as an Ayato enabler in Nilou bloom, or klee burgeon enabler All these seem to be readily dismissed or barely considered by zajef. Also quite confused on the "meh" take for baizhu burgeon. Doesn't hydro on enemies prevent burning (and thereby) allow baizhu to generate cores without burning? This also prevents "wasting" cores (as in the case of nahida burgeon usually) It's a bit sad that the quality of this video isn't as good as the older stuff with Thundering Furry razor and the depth he goes into for various team comps. Here it seems that he barely examines the compositions that Baizhu enables (which others like yaoyao and kirara probably do not) Hopefully more unique cool team compositions can be covered in future. If burgeon baizhu is so bad, I shouldn't be having a blast with baizhu xingqiu electro mc and Thoma, but I have no issues there, and in fact have tons of energy because of EMC :D
@@gorgemensh974 not in Baizhus case - you can use fischl beidou, most electros really, the point is to have electro overcome burning or trigger electrocharged for more seeds In Kaveh's case tho, given kaveh ER issues I plan to use electro MC
I think Genshin theorycrafters are a bit jaded in general. The wonder kind of dissipated away from them, is what I personally believe. I'm a fairly recent player (November 2022) so I can't relate.
I’ve been playing since Hu tao came out and have almost every 5star and Baizhu opened up a few teams and improved others same as when I got kokomi on accident, now they both make everything so much smoother and my account is basically set for life so now I’m just saving until a character interest me- also Baizhu being a tall male healer in my eyes is a big plus especially when Nahida and Yao yao are slow as hell to run with lol
I got Baizhu 12 wishes in winning the 50/50. I tested him with my Kuki hyperbloom, Yae aggravate, and Keqing aggravate teams. My testing basically compared him with Yaoyao in the same party spot. With hyperbloom I got a decent upgrade in damage on Kuki's hyperblooms and set a new personal record of 99.4k hyperbloom hits. With both Yae Miko and Keqing I found that a c0 Yaoyao with 4 set tenacity buffed their damage more than Biazhu did. As for ability of mine to stay alive in this current abyss version I had no issues with both Yaoyao and Baizhu so both get a solid pass. Overall I was hoping his A4 passive would mean more on my aggravate teams than a mere 20% attack buff so I am disappointed on his performance there but at least he was good for kuki hyperbloom. At least I don't feel ripped off with how little wish investment I had in him and I still am over 190 saved wishes as of writing this comment. I am a Yae Miko main and she is at c4 now and she is rerunning on the next banner. I am hoping I am lucky enough to hit c6 on my Yae Miko! I also want Kirara too because she looks cute and she is gonna be on the same banner so jackpot.
I feel like he's like an Ayato moment where he's versatile and useful but not "fun" (I remember some people saying Ayato is boring cause just hold left click) and not irreplaceable/must pull. I feel like Tall Male characters in general are like designed to be replaceable/not necessary. I do like him though, and ig it's good that tall males are alright, cause those are who I'm pulling for anyways and I'm just glad there are more off-field ones getting added.
I got him like forty pulls in rolling for Kaveh and he's really fun on my Tighnari/Yae quicken team and makes the whole thing way more comfortable and able to beat even my Alhaitham hyperbloom team. Also he makes Klee burgeon work and that's just a really fun team. Klee, Xingqiu/Yelan, Nahida, Baizhu and watch everything die as you just spam her normal attack.
im glad i got him. he is toptier in my aggravate team. better than yaoyao simply because doesnt need onfield. small buff + ttds, because my team dont need much ER so i can just gives him shet ton of ER from substat. better than nahida because nahida having problem of applying too much dendro for my anemo to swirl electro on 2nd rotation onward. overall i think he is a very very very good unit when you need comfort.
@@Dankusez 30% is low, not to mention his attacks are single target. That might be fine if you use him as an on-fielder, but as an off-fielder with only two chances to proc that (from skill and burst, then you swap him out), that's bad.
@@krio. fav counts independently on hit I thought so in multi-target scenarios you have 3 chances off your skill to proc it, or maybe I'm confusing it with sac
@@deathmetalalchemist5861 what you said is correct. But the problem is: Baizhu's kit isn't multi-target. EDIT: Oh the skill hits up to 3 enemies. But imo that's not enough.
I use Baizhu in Keqing Aggravate and it slaps hard. Keqing/Fischl/Baizhu/Nahida. Baizhu basically has zero ER needs because of Nahida and Electro resonance. Keqing, Fischl and Nahida benefit from Dendro resonance. Baizhu's passive helps a lot, because this team is a quickswap team, and the passive lingers for 6s. Keqing drives Fischl, Fischl works as battery for everyone. Baizhu heals everyone and provides limited yet noticeable resistance to interruption. He works amazing well with my Nilou as well.
sounds good in theory but when i used that same team i got stuck even on 11-3 bc that team left only seconds for the 2nd half. Which surprised me a lot since the team felt so smooth and comfy, and my Keqing is very well built. Still had to go back to my half-built Raiden national to get the job done.
@@Ali_Fuchs I literally passed 12 floor without nahida(with kazuha) and it was not even close(nahida was in bloom) with nahida it’s much faster, something defienetly wrong with your team(I’m ftp btw)
in my case baizhu made my run so smooth, i use him in an aggravate team with yae and use nahida and kokomi with burgeon. I wasn't able to fully complete this abyss but the last 2 runs were so easy with those teams 👌
Sorry, what is wrong with Kaveh? I watched a lot of Kaveh guides, and they say he is viable in Nilou teams, and I am considering to build a Kaveh (C0, on field)/Dendro DMC/Xingqiu/Nilou team. What do you think about this? Or should I build a "traditional" Nilou team with Barbara (on field)/DMC/Collei? Note I want to place Nahida into the Hyperbloom team, so all I can use are Collei/DMC or Kaveh (I have no other dendro characters). Or should I just wait before I pull any other better dendro character - who then?
Yup! As a Baizhu haver who wanted to improve my Cyno ... I had a lot of fun until the freaking consecrated beasts showed up 😂 Feels better than Yao Yao in Yae Aggravate teams, but you do have to stay on your feet to avoid knockback. I don't regret pulling for him, but I wouldn't necessarily recommend him either unless you like him.
i have a following nilou team: nilou, nahida, yelan, yao yao. Man, when i swapped yao yao with baizhu, there's so much difference. Yep this team is a bit whale, but i play genshin since the beginning. Easy 36 stars given if u have another decent dps for the second half.
I'm running the same Nilou team as well! Originally I pulled in Alhathiam's banner for Yaoyao (used Lantern Rite to get XQ since I didn't have him yet as I started less than a year ago.), & while she did perform well in my Nilou team in practice I hate playing her. 💀 The fact that her healing ties you to either a) stay in one spot/radius when using her E, or actively stay on her when you use her Q drove me crazy. So once Baizhu's kit was revealed I immediately started pre-farming for him & setting aside fates to pull him. 😂 Honestly the fact his E heals *your whole party* made him an instant pull for me when I found that out. He's such a good comfy unit in my Nilou team, & its made me enjoy playing it again. Plus upside is I can actually use Nilou on field now that I have Baizhu on that team! Since I have her, Nahida, & Baizhu all at C2, R1 Key, & have Nilou at 74.4k hp she has almost 800 EM once I go through my whole rotation 🥰
I don't agree with your take on Burgeon. I think Baizhu Double Hydro Thoma is a contender for the best Burgeon team in the game and the strongest Dendro team that doesn't use Nahida (which is important because you can use her on the other half of Abyss)
Same. I see a lot of people trying to say that because he lacks AoE application that he's garbage for burgeon. But they either don't know or are forgetting that burgeon damage (all bloom damage really) is capped at 2 instances per 0.5s. And on top of that, Thoma's Q procs only happed every 1s, so all you need is to have 2 cores able to be procced every second to be hitting the max burgeon damage possible. His lower rate of dendro application and the crazy amount of hydro from XQ/Yelan means burning is less of an issue than it is with Nahida as well. All of your application is on demand and is triggered by just your NAs. It's a versatile team that's good in AoE and single target, and it clears a good bit faster than my other burgeon teams (though I don't have Kokomi or Ayato yet, so can't compare them all).
@@NotAName1 Yeah, you are correct. Basically for Burgeon you want double dose of Dendro (Baizhu Skills + Baizhu on field), double dose of hydro (the more the better) and then consistent Pyro. I do have Kokomi and her with Nahida and Yelan is not too different performance-wise. But I definitely see Baizhu at his best as a solo dendro on-field unit. I don't like his HP build at all. Even if it's not Burgeon, you can just use Raiden instead of Thoma and that Hyperbloom variant should be amazing as well (I don't have Raiden to test)
I think that’s the only good burgeon team with him though, but yeah that team seems great, even in AoE since your bloom production is high enough to decently keep up with Thoma, plus double hydro is just a broken core that could easily defeat any content on its own. What enables it is having a lot of dendro application from your on fielder backed up by a ridiculous amount of hydro, it wasn’t viable before because you lacked healing and Yaoyao didn’t have good enough dendro application to take out the most of the double H archetype, which also has mostly ST interactions. I’ll look into this team more
Fun fact he was one of the top dendro drivers for nilou. They tested teams with nahida as the driver with baizhu as support and vice versa. The team with baizhu on field performed better.
Only in 3h1d teams. Because in 2h2d, Nahida applies so much dendro that it's almost always the hydros triggering bloom. Baizhu on-field wouldn't contribute much to that team.
i think he works for one particular nilou comp and that is nilou, nahida on field, yelan or even better xq, baizhu instead of yao feels pretty good, i tried it on a friends account and was good, i rolled for him but got c3 jean xd so now im saving my guaranteed since i dont really play that nilou comp on my account, i do on field kok.
Kaveh Baizhu Xingqiu Nilou Alhaitham Baizhu Xingqiu Nilou Baizhu Nahida Xingqiu Nilou Ayato Baizhu Nahida Nilou Childe Baizhu Nahida Nilou Barbara Baizhu DMC Nilou Heck, Baizhu Kokomi Nahida Nilou is one of the most consistent abyss teams this cycle, but he's a 10/10 pull on accounts with Nilou without Kok
Burgeon mains competing against Eula mains to see who's getting more L's: - Having burning instead of Quicken aura - Dendro Traveler's burst explodes with Pyro - Thoma doesn't scale with EM and being burst reliant - Thundering Furry forcing you to C6 Bennet - Dehya is the only new Pyro unit - No Quickbloom counterpart (vaping burning aura) because hydro carries don't exist - Being a team that needs healers, and healer options still sucking somehow
@@angel-ts1lz C6 Is not bad, but putting a disclaimer kills off the list C6 bennet still gets on some people's nerves. Less C6 being "bad", more being forced to
didnt mention anything about the spread side of his passive with alhaitham. is that worth anything since the cyno side isnt quite there? also xlice did shatterbloom with kaveh. whats the thoughts on that?
It's alright, but there's a bit less value in him for Alhaitham because you need an electro unit to get quicken, and a lot of the upsides from the usual good electro units like Fischl's A4 lose value so using Kuki doesn't significantly hurt your damage output
I think most people do, but zafavge just has too much of a hard on for fav weapons lol and tbh rightly so because of the teamwide energy gains. Giving a 2pc emblem effect to every member is just too op
I crafted Kitain Cross Spear r5 for solo Pyro xiangling, but ended up just using fav. Teamwide energy and being able battery on demand when you are short is too useful.
Ganyu main here. Baizhu is actually very okay for meltburn. My case is very specific: I don't have Zhongli and Nahida. So for me Baizhu was a solution for a defensive utility with Ganyu burst activated. His dendro app is just enough for Kazuha to maintain pyro. And he can use TTDS. And his shield provides about 3 comfortable CA for Ganyu. So for me it is a win. I wouldn't be surprised if it is the only working team of that kind with him but it is what it is :)
I use 2-piece 2-piece Vorukasha's and Tenacity's full HP with ER to up at least 130 and a R5 Amber when paired with Nahida, and his energy problems get alleviated a little. I think. I just really want the most out of his A4 passive.
We can get more HP on him with Er,Hp,Hp Prototype amber(i played him with double dendro ,170 er without er sands and didn't have er problem) ,if we use favounius we have to use hp,hp ,crit.. Favounius doesn't have any hp bonus too..well if ur team struggling with er then use it Also, Deepwood doesn't work that great against multiple enemies, since his skill is limited to 1-3 targets he can't shread everyone's res
Favge strikes once again And... I wish Kaveh would be at least mid. I really wanted to play him. Maybe this strange shatter bloom combo everyone trying is fun?
it is, you can do xq/yelan/rosaria or diona/kaveh. It does well cuz xq/yelan carries your team. Think of this team as a double hydro team with some bloom and shatter on the side
@@Hezkun I don't really know. He feels clunky. I don't expect big numbers from 4star dps. I'm fine with them as long as they fun to play. I didn't yet find team for Kaveh where everything would go smoothly. His e cooldown feels like forever sometimes. His healing is not really enough without dedicated healer (I know: skill issue). I will be experimenting with him tho. Too bad mr Zajef seems to be very dissapointed with him, my plan was to steal his fun ideas
I don't know what troubles you guys have with kaveh, but to me, he is pretty comfortable to play I use him as both hyperbloom driver and bloomer and feel satisfy enough
Ok here's thing that i found as a player who run keq aggravate a lot: - After running P.amber Nahida/yao yao or even healerless bazhu shield is indeed quite nice even on current aggressive chamber. - He's a little bit worse on aoe than i expected considering his skill often bounce on 2 targets instead of 3. The fact his Q cast doesn't apply dendro and the projectile cool down is painfully slow just makes it worse. - For above reason this makes yaoyao edges out on aoe situation since her Q cast actually applies dendro and faster radish. - That said even without baizhu shield i do prefer him than yaoyao just because he fits so well on 12s-14s team rotation instead of yao yao. Even though i'm content with how he actually performed. If people who wanted a second dendro healer asked me for advice i would just tell them to get nahida and slap proto amber on her. It's not favge but p.amber is also so good on nahida as if it made for her (except the substat)
why does zajef disike Kaveh's gameplay? I haven't kept up with his vis/stream he knew his scaling was bad but thought it would be at least fun to use briefcase attacks right? was it just not as fun as he thought it would be lol
the best part of his kit is his spinning CA but we all know that's the most difficult attack to make work (need shielder, only good against big enemies cause kaveh pushes hilichurls back so far, etc)
Baizhu in Nilou team seems to be a scuffed take, given that it allows one to use an on field Ayato with nahida-nilou, arguably the best nilou team you can setup.
That team has unironically too much hydro and too little AoE dendro application, even with AoE Nahida. I don’t have Ayato so I couldn’t test it, but afaik he’s not that amazing in bloom, maybe he is the 4th/5th bloom archetype team, but again I can’t confirm for certain and I didn’t see enough feedback on him from the Nilou Mains community after Baizhu. Maybe in ST it performs better, but any team with Yelan would deal more damage and I’m quite sure that even 2H2D teams with Kokomi on field would still outperform it. Edit. Can’t
Honestly, it's a meme team but i've been having suprising amount of fun with double hydro/yoimiya/baizhu🤡 It adds a tiny little bit of AoE, and feels more fun than Zhongli
About the kaveh not feeling good to play: As one of the people really excited for his playstyle, yeah I agree, he doesn't feel good to play. Mostly because I think he would become better if you have him at c6 😢 I spent all my primos to get both baizhu and kaveh and whenever I play them both in my team for fun, When I get to baizhu all the enemies die by then so I can't even use kaveh anymore hahaha. Made kaveh my dps but he's just there sitting pretty hahahah
Should have also mentioned that in the hyperbloom teams where I was pleasantly surprised, this is in contrast to how poor my expectations were. He's still only one of the options you can use for defensive utility, and can very much be outperformed by using a more offensive-focused unit as your dendro one with the defensive unit being the electro one with Kuki
thank you for acknowledging kuki 😀
Shoutout to that random chatter who said that 500 lowest def is canonically accurate for Baizhu
Yup I love it when kits are canonically accurate. The no-range acupuncture auto attacks, the shit base stats, the awesome heals. So canonical. Yum
@@swo2376 and it's always canonical weakness, never strength
@@pyronado4320 yeah look at nilou and candace/dehya
@@mickysaif what canonical strength does Nilou have
@@Tururu134 i mean in lore she's just a dancer but then in game she's broken as hell lol
The OPness of Favonius series is how Favonius knights survive so long despite not having powerful defenses like the other nations.
Favonius Knights can burst on cooldown.
exactly, other nations frantically funneling while the Monstadt crew is spamming their bursts off cooldown
Gigachad favonious knights
inazuma guards out there with 106.5% ER and 90 burst cost
@@hiraya5296 ohhh so that's why Kairagis takes a while to charge their elements
Zajef making a 20 minute video? What next, a Eula rerun?
you’re crazy for that 💀
Make it a 24 hr video, then there is a 1% chance of it happening
🌸😹Of more fruitful credence would it be for one to believe that a single individual could deliver baubles before all the world’s children within a single December night, than to hold faith a Eula rerun would ever yield itself😹🌸
Actually...
who's this eula character ?
At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if Genshin ends up finishing and the fav series can be good on pretty much all characters.
Except Kokomi.
@@OverlyTalkativegood on even kokomi, i feel like
@@jinnah6524only if you wanna build her up from -100% crit chance
So long as characters need ult, needs more than 40 energy and don't have negative crit rate, fav will always be okay-good
@@Meese12 okay yeah I completely forgot kokofish has -100% crit rate 💀
I would never have imagined to ear Zajeff saying "Just use Dehya"
I have been using him in Keqing aggravate and Thoma Burgeon with double dendro, and he has made a lot of my other teams alot smoother than before, especially in abyss 12, i have been able to 36 star the last 2 roations with him
He isnt groundbreaking or anything, but he does have a niche and fills it really well
same experience as you. 2 abyss rotations now and exactly as you said not groundbreaking but good.
when i get nahida, i'll try the double dendro burgeon, but now using him on double hydro burgeon seems fine
I think double hydro burgeon is an underrated team comp for him since its actually v decent in this particular abyss and has much higher survivability (excluding kokomi variants), but yea i still prefer a nahida koko variation on that team since both baizhu and thoma are so energy hungry. That might change with better burgeon triggers but eh
@@eliwhite6159 ??? Burgeon is for AoE and he doesn't have AoE application, what are you talking about? Double dendro is a must. He can be solo - in hyperbloom. Besides, double hydro is helpful, but usually it's better to add character of different element, especially cryo. It makes same thing protecting auras and helping with reactions, but you are getting additional value.
@@よしみ-x5j You misunderstand how burgeon works and why it's AoE.
In burgeon the seeds explode and do AoE damage. It doesn't actually matter that you generated seeds from one enemy or from 5 enemies.
@@ancalyme Nahhh... Of course it still matters, cause it's about the number of seeds, that's one. Second - for better AoE when enemies are more spread out. It can totally change your performance. But besides that there is a grain of truth and yes, situationally it can work fine.
Bro each character that gets released somehow makes fav weapons better ⚰️
Correction
Fav makes every new character viable
@@Alexis-8889 for real 💀
@@NFYT well...except for
Kokomi. 💀💀fav can't save her
Tho she's okay without she get's saved
Because Mhy is addicted to adding characters with huge energy issues and shitty particle gen lmao
That’s because every character has abysmal energy issues…
My favorite part of every post release is double Zajef
Based
I'm just going to mention, this is my first time watching your video & I already learned so much from not only the video but also your viewers here in comments. You speak your opinion, your viewers speak theirs. Supporting or countering in a good manner. No toxicity. It's rare to find such community very nice.
Very satisfied with Baizhu as hyperbloom driver in the current Abyss (Baizhu / XQ / Yelan / Raiden).
Allowed me to transfer Nahida to my scuffed Nilou team on bottom half, which was a HUGE upgrade.
Being able to free up Nahida is a big part of his value IMO.
I immediately pulled him for the same reason I pulled Kokomi on her first banner. His QoL in the game is just so great. Yes, I'm sure he's not as great as others in the abyss, but honestly there's more to the game than that. You spend more time farming than playing the abyss and being able to cast his skill once at the end of a domain to fully heal your team for the next round is just so good.
sad seal gif: he was forced(air quotes) to use favge on every character
i had the complete opposite experience with baizhu and cyno tbh. the resistance to interruption is pretty much what i expected, but his dendro uptime feels SO nice when the alternatives either stop after a wave of enemies (nahida) or are confined to a circle. cyno's damage not falling off a cliff randomly just feels really nice
At some point i will build a team with 4 fav users
u could do that with a team xiaolad
a bunch of my teams currently have 2 or 3 fav users lol even have too much er on most but sadly I don't have anything better yet...
@@nadkudo1798 some of my most played and most effective teams also have 2 favs already and i've been playing since day 1 so don't worry about it
@@masturcheef123 when it was PMA in abyss, I'd run three fav weapons on my Raiden national team just to deal with his lack of particles
you don't do that already? I have like 8 teams I mainly, 5 of them are pure fav holders
His third passive is made redundant by his E, while the passive heals the active character and requires a plant, his E heals the entire party and it's only gated by cooldown. It's a new passive and show's they are trying something other than the god forsaken stamina and cooking passives, but on HIM specifically it's just plain useless.
His passive and his C2 were really designed so you don't actually have to play him, you can just put him in your team to sit there and be pretty
@@darkdude1996ify to be pretty... off field where you can't see him?
@@badlamprey891 Lmao. I'm telling you this community is full of weirdos that make no sense! 😂
@@badlamprey891 uhhhh.... yeah I guess I didn't think about that one. You can look at his icon on the side of the screen, I guess?
@@badlamprey891 I mean things wouldn't stop being pretty just because you don't currently see it.
I just love how chat just spams PeLa when Zajef tells the video came out later than planned
I really enjoy using Baizhu and Kuki on hyperbloom with another onfield dendro character and xingqiu or yelan. You can Baizhu E, swap to kuki E and basically ignore the entire self damage. Baizhu and kuki combined just means your on field character never dies.
THIS! i've played nahida - baizhu - xingqiu - kuki at 12 floor of previous abyss and it was sooo smooth and simple, i've got 6* for the first room from second try like these beasts were just nothing. and my baizhu was still level 70
@@starvingamnesier I 36 starred top half with this, and was clearing the floors with like 20 seconds to spare. I had less trouble with 1st half using this team (except yelan instead) than I did on the 2nd half with raiden national. Yelan isn't optional on first side because you need something to shoot down the mechanical chicken.
Actually, Kuki never got killed on 12th floor , no need for another healer in my hyperbloom team. I think Baizhu is more useful in there when one is playing Raiden as the hyperbloom trigger.
3:17 lore accurate kazuha weapon
We can conclude that this is not zajeff’s account as we do not see kazuha’s BiS weapon Favge
Felt like it's been forever ago since Baizhu's release thanks to Star Rail. I just got reminded that his banner is still up right now.
if Baizhu's dmg bonus was shared to the whole team instead of himself or the onfielder. he would have been alot better imo. same goes for his signatures like i really hate the fact that Energy and Dmg bonus isn't shared to the whole team.
I agree, HYV really did him dirty at those points.
As a counter point, the teams where you might use him have enough flexibility to swap back and forth to refresh the buff
@@felixonline1825 i mean that's with Hyperbloom and Burgeon teams as a whole than yeah. when it comes quickbloom teams than it can be a minor problem specifically those that run Al or Cyno. because not everyone gets the buff often unless if you wanna switch early and ruin your combo. and i'm also talking about how he himself gains dendro dmg bonus and not share it to the whole team.
That thumbnail is kinda cursed
It's kind of cute 😮
How so?
These thumbnails are always bangers
Funny y'all make that yao yao comparison because i pulled this man specifically because i HATE playing yao yao. Like her character in the story but i hate how her kit works. Snek doctor man found his way into my nilou team with nahida and tartag
Please algorithm gods bless this video, mr strimmer needs it
As a Cyno player pulling Baizhu was a great decision for the team. He is an AMAZING comfort pick if you struggle to survive in Cyno's burst. I was never a fan of Kuki's risk of dying whenever on field or Yaoyao's on field burst heals so Baizhu feels like an upgrade above them both. Cyno feels practically immortal and having Xingqui on the team makes it so you can spam E to your heart's content. Yelan feels worse defensive wise but really only in fights where there's more than one enemy ( single target bosses get shredded no problem). His off field dendro is also good enough to still proc hyperbloom even after the first wave dies which feels super convenient. Overall I can't stress how comfortable the team feels especially when face tanking everything in front of you. Is he a must pull for that team not really but I guess who is. He is definitely a worthwhile upgrade imo
Most TC favor quickswap team while quiet bad at hack and slash. They often struggle with long on field dps such like Cyno or Xiao.
Cynomains mostly agree Baizhu’s shield is more than enough. For character who TC doesn’t good at, I usually found their guide lackluster or containing many mistake and ppl often ask/talk about it in redd*t.
yeah his take on him being a just "decent" for cyno was just bad, i dont play cyno without him anymore, just because how comfortable it gets
And for quick bloom and we only need little dendro application right? ☺
My Cyno still died a ton in 12-1-1, but Baizhu felt like a huge upgrade for my aggravate Cyno teams. I do have the rather expensive Cyno-Nahida-Baizhu-Fischl variant but I like it. Haven't done 12-1 for 3* yet (and ij the previous rotation I kinda said pfft and only 6*ed floor 12, now it's back to 8*, which is the highest I've had with this monster combo...
Still, Baizhu has actually saved my team a lot. I love how if you have a dying character, you can heal them off-field very easily. Basically, Kokomi's ult, Qiqi, Barbara and Jean can heal off-field too, but apart from Kokomi's ult, Qiqi and Jean/Barbara Ults, off-field healing was kinda nonexistent. Ah, Yaoyao heals off-field too, but I don't play her much
@@詩姫-m1c Because need to stay on-field is a pure disadvantage, it's simple. They are right, if it's as long as Cyno and Xiao it's terrible and you barely can find synergies for them. Baizhu also obviously works worse with Cyno than in other teams. It's about so simple facts that no idea what you don't understand. Baizhu surely provides value to Cyno, but it's not great in perspective of the whole game.
I got baizhu accidentally at super low pity while rolling for kaveh, and honestly, he's a really nice comfort character. def not a must pull but it's nice to be able to run nilou bloom with nahida and yao yao and still have a dendro healer to slot into quicken
Yah, people calling him bland are overreacting
That's exactly why I pulled him. Granted I don't have Nilou but Hyperbloom and Quicken both need Dendro healers.
9:25 "Zaclipse" sanest zajef viewer BASED
3:51 In other words, it's not about the size. It's about how long it can last.
I have him at 175 er and it's fine with prototype amber and 50k hp
That thumbnail scared me😢
Ah, this brings me back to when zajef used to play genshin! Good times
That thumbnail scared the shit out of me lmao.
thank you for the thumbnail mr zajef. i was terribly jetlagged and that image kept me from falling asleep.
I rlly wish that baizhus shield and dendro procs were more often than they were. Won't necessarily improve his damage but it would've made his utility so much better 😭
Constellations 💔
He actually becomes Dendro Xingqiu at C6 and I'm going for it (probably finishing at his rerun)
@@FranciscoJG Now who lied to you?
@@aja1644 ?
Xingqiu's C6 burst have 60 hits at most (although realistically it hits 50 times or less), applying Hydro 20 times due to standard ICD
Baizhu's C2 and burst hits don't have ICD, he easily applies Dendro 18 times in a 20s window.
@@FranciscoJG lol c6
Just get kiara she’s gonna be better anyways
Here for the rerun. Actually gonna get him after getting Furina.
Please do a kaveh post release, i want to know why he feels so bad to play, i haven't looked much into him.
he was trying to build spin2win kaveh using 4pc bloodstained, but he won't proc xq rainsword that way. Zajef is just isn't happy that all those bloodstained farm got wasted.
@@tyshen0329eula time
@@tyshen0329yeah, xingqiu Q procs with normal atk, of course it won't procs if he use Kaveh's charge atk
I pair xingqiu with Kaveh and use Kaveh's NA
Since then, these two have been an inseparable duo in my team
at 12:09 why no mention of kuki for hyperbloom as an alternative? seems zajef just forgets kuki exists.
as he stated if you want comfort in the team, kuki does what raiden and baizhu do in one kit.
Because raiden has faster electro application for longer periods of time. A better option compared to kuki because of hyperbloom icd
if your dendro and hydro are fast enough, kuki leaves too much seeds on the ground, raiden kinda mitigates some of this problem with her faster electro
@@supanjibobu6132 they are very comparable in terms of dmg overall. thats not the point here what does more dmg. zajef was talking about comfort, which kuki provides in a 2 for 1 kit.
Raiden and Baizhu can be used in a lot of teams. Al Haitham can only be used in Al Haitham's teams lol As a main DPS he's the least valuable pull among these characters, it's Support Impact for a reason.
And no one pulls Raiden for hyperbloom. A lot of people have her so they use her in yet another team she's good in.
@@supanjibobu6132 unless the enemies are shielded then pikachu face
I don’t think he has enough application to utilize deepwood properly . Clam is more consistent
Yeahhh I can only see it working in ST situations
@@Hezkun yeah. Since I like to have my characters versatile for every team, i just leave nahida on deepwood so she always works and Baizhu on clam so he always works. Just how I like to play cause switching artifacts for every team is cringe
I would've never thought id hear "Just use Dehya" out of anyone, let alone the Zajef himself-
I'm currently playing Baizhu with TTDS and clam set and it's actually working :) no problem with energie regen and I see a lot the effect of the 4 pieces clam set. This might not be he's BIS but on my Cyno team its working :) that save me a fav weapon for another caracter :D
PS : my Cyno team is compose of Cyno, Nahida, XQ and Baizhu
Shatterbloom is now a thing cause of Kaveh, so it is possible to effectively have a fridge team that isn’t copious now btw
I feel Zajef's analyses have been so shallow lately... I was hopeful this follow up video could show more depth than the first impressions one, but it didn't happen.
Barely talked about double Dendro options, ignored triple Dendro Spread, etc.
At this point, The Genshin Scientist covers the analytic content much better tbqh
It probably is because he came into the whole thing already viewing yaoyao as better
Tighnari yae spread team with baizhu, baizhu as a hakushin holder in aggravate, baizhu as an Ayato enabler in Nilou bloom, or klee burgeon enabler
All these seem to be readily dismissed or barely considered by zajef.
Also quite confused on the "meh" take for baizhu burgeon. Doesn't hydro on enemies prevent burning (and thereby) allow baizhu to generate cores without burning? This also prevents "wasting" cores (as in the case of nahida burgeon usually)
It's a bit sad that the quality of this video isn't as good as the older stuff with Thundering Furry razor and the depth he goes into for various team comps. Here it seems that he barely examines the compositions that Baizhu enables (which others like yaoyao and kirara probably do not)
Hopefully more unique cool team compositions can be covered in future.
If burgeon baizhu is so bad, I shouldn't be having a blast with baizhu xingqiu electro mc and Thoma, but I have no issues there, and in fact have tons of energy because of EMC :D
@@see0707 is electro mc necessary in that team? 👀
@@gorgemensh974 not in Baizhus case - you can use fischl beidou, most electros really, the point is to have electro overcome burning or trigger electrocharged for more seeds
In Kaveh's case tho, given kaveh ER issues I plan to use electro MC
I think Genshin theorycrafters are a bit jaded in general. The wonder kind of dissipated away from them, is what I personally believe. I'm a fairly recent player (November 2022) so I can't relate.
@@see0707 okay thank you!
Each time I ear "Hello beautiful people", I answer "Hello beautiful Zajef"! My man, I just love what you do!
ZAJEEEEFFF 😍😍
7:44 thank you wise philosopher Zajef77
11:40 Genshin logic: put enemies in abyss that invalidates the newly released 5 star's kit.
I’ve been playing since Hu tao came out and have almost every 5star and Baizhu opened up a few teams and improved others same as when I got kokomi on accident, now they both make everything so much smoother and my account is basically set for life so now I’m just saving until a character interest me- also Baizhu being a tall male healer in my eyes is a big plus especially when Nahida and Yao yao are slow as hell to run with lol
I got Baizhu 12 wishes in winning the 50/50. I tested him with my Kuki hyperbloom, Yae aggravate, and Keqing aggravate teams. My testing basically compared him with Yaoyao in the same party spot. With hyperbloom I got a decent upgrade in damage on Kuki's hyperblooms and set a new personal record of 99.4k hyperbloom hits. With both Yae Miko and Keqing I found that a c0 Yaoyao with 4 set tenacity buffed their damage more than Biazhu did. As for ability of mine to stay alive in this current abyss version I had no issues with both Yaoyao and Baizhu so both get a solid pass.
Overall I was hoping his A4 passive would mean more on my aggravate teams than a mere 20% attack buff so I am disappointed on his performance there but at least he was good for kuki hyperbloom. At least I don't feel ripped off with how little wish investment I had in him and I still am over 190 saved wishes as of writing this comment. I am a Yae Miko main and she is at c4 now and she is rerunning on the next banner. I am hoping I am lucky enough to hit c6 on my Yae Miko! I also want Kirara too because she looks cute and she is gonna be on the same banner so jackpot.
I feel like he's like an Ayato moment where he's versatile and useful but not "fun" (I remember some people saying Ayato is boring cause just hold left click) and not irreplaceable/must pull.
I feel like Tall Male characters in general are like designed to be replaceable/not necessary.
I do like him though, and ig it's good that tall males are alright, cause those are who I'm pulling for anyways and I'm just glad there are more off-field ones getting added.
I got him like forty pulls in rolling for Kaveh and he's really fun on my Tighnari/Yae quicken team and makes the whole thing way more comfortable and able to beat even my Alhaitham hyperbloom team.
Also he makes Klee burgeon work and that's just a really fun team. Klee, Xingqiu/Yelan, Nahida, Baizhu and watch everything die as you just spam her normal attack.
I specifically got him for Klee Burgeon. I finally found a good way to use Klee in abyss.
@@RKNancy I couldn't believe how well the team works. Klee is finally viable again.
im glad i got him. he is toptier in my aggravate team. better than yaoyao simply because doesnt need onfield. small buff + ttds, because my team dont need much ER so i can just gives him shet ton of ER from substat. better than nahida because nahida having problem of applying too much dendro for my anemo to swirl electro on 2nd rotation onward. overall i think he is a very very very good unit when you need comfort.
I can't unsee the thumbnail
THE THUMBNAIL
With Fav, you would need to put considerable Crit Rate on him for that weapon passive to be useful. I'd stick to Prototype Amber.
its not hard trust me, i have 30+ crit rate, and the passive procs just fine
@@Dankusez 30% is low, not to mention his attacks are single target. That might be fine if you use him as an on-fielder, but as an off-fielder with only two chances to proc that (from skill and burst, then you swap him out), that's bad.
True instead of crit we can use artifact with more hp and er.
@@krio. fav counts independently on hit I thought so in multi-target scenarios you have 3 chances off your skill to proc it, or maybe I'm confusing it with sac
@@deathmetalalchemist5861 what you said is correct. But the problem is: Baizhu's kit isn't multi-target. EDIT: Oh the skill hits up to 3 enemies. But imo that's not enough.
I use Baizhu in Keqing Aggravate and it slaps hard.
Keqing/Fischl/Baizhu/Nahida.
Baizhu basically has zero ER needs because of Nahida and Electro resonance.
Keqing, Fischl and Nahida benefit from Dendro resonance.
Baizhu's passive helps a lot, because this team is a quickswap team, and the passive lingers for 6s.
Keqing drives Fischl, Fischl works as battery for everyone.
Baizhu heals everyone and provides limited yet noticeable resistance to interruption.
He works amazing well with my Nilou as well.
sounds good in theory but when i used that same team i got stuck even on 11-3 bc that team left only seconds for the 2nd half. Which surprised me a lot since the team felt so smooth and comfy, and my Keqing is very well built. Still had to go back to my half-built Raiden national to get the job done.
@@Ali_Fuchs I literally passed 12 floor without nahida(with kazuha) and it was not even close(nahida was in bloom) with nahida it’s much faster, something defienetly wrong with your team(I’m ftp btw)
@@Ali_Fuchs Are you sure your team is well-built? Because I had no problem with DPS requirements.
in my case baizhu made my run so smooth, i use him in an aggravate team with yae and use nahida and kokomi with burgeon. I wasn't able to fully complete this abyss but the last 2 runs were so easy with those teams 👌
I got Baizhu and Im so happy with him. His heals are really good and FINALLY I can free my Nahida for second half
I FEEL THIS ONE SO MUCH
unreal thumbnail my guy
Sorry, what is wrong with Kaveh? I watched a lot of Kaveh guides, and they say he is viable in Nilou teams, and I am considering to build a Kaveh (C0, on field)/Dendro DMC/Xingqiu/Nilou team. What do you think about this? Or should I build a "traditional" Nilou team with Barbara (on field)/DMC/Collei? Note I want to place Nahida into the Hyperbloom team, so all I can use are Collei/DMC or Kaveh (I have no other dendro characters). Or should I just wait before I pull any other better dendro character - who then?
Yup! As a Baizhu haver who wanted to improve my Cyno ... I had a lot of fun until the freaking consecrated beasts showed up 😂
Feels better than Yao Yao in Yae Aggravate teams, but you do have to stay on your feet to avoid knockback.
I don't regret pulling for him, but I wouldn't necessarily recommend him either unless you like him.
i have a following nilou team: nilou, nahida, yelan, yao yao. Man, when i swapped yao yao with baizhu, there's so much difference. Yep this team is a bit whale, but i play genshin since the beginning. Easy 36 stars given if u have another decent dps for the second half.
I guess I need nilou now
Did the same, but used Ayato instead of Yelan. Baizhu really made bloom easier
just roll for kokomi instead
I'm running the same Nilou team as well! Originally I pulled in Alhathiam's banner for Yaoyao (used Lantern Rite to get XQ since I didn't have him yet as I started less than a year ago.), & while she did perform well in my Nilou team in practice I hate playing her. 💀 The fact that her healing ties you to either a) stay in one spot/radius when using her E, or actively stay on her when you use her Q drove me crazy.
So once Baizhu's kit was revealed I immediately started pre-farming for him & setting aside fates to pull him. 😂 Honestly the fact his E heals *your whole party* made him an instant pull for me when I found that out. He's such a good comfy unit in my Nilou team, & its made me enjoy playing it again.
Plus upside is I can actually use Nilou on field now that I have Baizhu on that team! Since I have her, Nahida, & Baizhu all at C2, R1 Key, & have Nilou at 74.4k hp she has almost 800 EM once I go through my whole rotation 🥰
Shouldve saved for Kokomi instead
I don't agree with your take on Burgeon. I think Baizhu Double Hydro Thoma is a contender for the best Burgeon team in the game and the strongest Dendro team that doesn't use Nahida (which is important because you can use her on the other half of Abyss)
Same. I see a lot of people trying to say that because he lacks AoE application that he's garbage for burgeon. But they either don't know or are forgetting that burgeon damage (all bloom damage really) is capped at 2 instances per 0.5s. And on top of that, Thoma's Q procs only happed every 1s, so all you need is to have 2 cores able to be procced every second to be hitting the max burgeon damage possible. His lower rate of dendro application and the crazy amount of hydro from XQ/Yelan means burning is less of an issue than it is with Nahida as well. All of your application is on demand and is triggered by just your NAs. It's a versatile team that's good in AoE and single target, and it clears a good bit faster than my other burgeon teams (though I don't have Kokomi or Ayato yet, so can't compare them all).
@@NotAName1 Yeah, you are correct. Basically for Burgeon you want double dose of Dendro (Baizhu Skills + Baizhu on field), double dose of hydro (the more the better) and then consistent Pyro. I do have Kokomi and her with Nahida and Yelan is not too different performance-wise. But I definitely see Baizhu at his best as a solo dendro on-field unit. I don't like his HP build at all. Even if it's not Burgeon, you can just use Raiden instead of Thoma and that Hyperbloom variant should be amazing as well (I don't have Raiden to test)
I think that’s the only good burgeon team with him though, but yeah that team seems great, even in AoE since your bloom production is high enough to decently keep up with Thoma, plus double hydro is just a broken core that could easily defeat any content on its own.
What enables it is having a lot of dendro application from your on fielder backed up by a ridiculous amount of hydro, it wasn’t viable before because you lacked healing and Yaoyao didn’t have good enough dendro application to take out the most of the double H archetype, which also has mostly ST interactions. I’ll look into this team more
@@xanthee_imr I think Ayato Baizhu (with lots of ER) Thoma Flex would also be a very nice Burgeon team, but I don't have Ayato so can't test
@@SeenE-kg9nj if Baizhu isn’t on field your dendro application becomes laughable though and Ayato off field doesn’t seem interesting
I just R5 my Amber and he has like 190% ER, like 47k HP, and I got his C1 on accident
Fun fact he was one of the top dendro drivers for nilou. They tested teams with nahida as the driver with baizhu as support and vice versa. The team with baizhu on field performed better.
Only in 3h1d teams. Because in 2h2d, Nahida applies so much dendro that it's almost always the hydros triggering bloom. Baizhu on-field wouldn't contribute much to that team.
@@dinoqq please explain more, I'm interested
@@el7284seconded
@@dinoqq having baizhu in 3h1d... Doesn't sound right
@@titan5064 it works, it's just pretty damn ST
Impressive, very nice
Zajef i love u but why did you have to jumpscare me with this thumbnail huh???? Come onnn
That changsheng is nightmare inducing.
i think he works for one particular nilou comp and that is nilou, nahida on field, yelan or even better xq, baizhu instead of yao feels pretty good, i tried it on a friends account and was good, i rolled for him but got c3 jean xd so now im saving my guaranteed since i dont really play that nilou comp on my account, i do on field kok.
Kaveh Baizhu Xingqiu Nilou
Alhaitham Baizhu Xingqiu Nilou
Baizhu Nahida Xingqiu Nilou
Ayato Baizhu Nahida Nilou
Childe Baizhu Nahida Nilou
Barbara Baizhu DMC Nilou
Heck, Baizhu Kokomi Nahida Nilou is one of the most consistent abyss teams this cycle, but he's a 10/10 pull on accounts with Nilou without Kok
Nice to see it was corrected by the pinned comment baizhu in hyperbloom really is just a waste since kuki as the hyperbloom trigger exists
Burgeon mains competing against Eula mains to see who's getting more L's:
- Having burning instead of Quicken aura
- Dendro Traveler's burst explodes with Pyro
- Thoma doesn't scale with EM and being burst reliant
- Thundering Furry forcing you to C6 Bennet
- Dehya is the only new Pyro unit
- No Quickbloom counterpart (vaping burning aura) because hydro carries don't exist
- Being a team that needs healers, and healer options still sucking somehow
no way people are still crying over c6 bennett in 2023
hoyo doesn't want you to build pyro units after vape was the best reaction for all of 1.0-2.0
@@angel-ts1lz C6 Is not bad, but putting a disclaimer kills off the list
C6 bennet still gets on some people's nerves.
Less C6 being "bad", more being forced to
Noelle burgeon is great tho. Needs Nahida and XQ/Yelan as usual, but it's not cringe like non-Nilou Bloom teams.
Eula gets so much clunk just to end up with a liability as a dps huhu
didnt mention anything about the spread side of his passive with alhaitham. is that worth anything since the cyno side isnt quite there?
also xlice did shatterbloom with kaveh. whats the thoughts on that?
It's alright, but there's a bit less value in him for Alhaitham because you need an electro unit to get quicken, and a lot of the upsides from the usual good electro units like Fischl's A4 lose value so using Kuki doesn't significantly hurt your damage output
i like r5 prototype amber over fav
I think most people do, but zafavge just has too much of a hard on for fav weapons lol and tbh rightly so because of the teamwide energy gains. Giving a 2pc emblem effect to every member is just too op
Will you release a Kirara pre-release ?
Dr. Baizhu
I crafted Kitain Cross Spear r5 for solo Pyro xiangling, but ended up just using fav. Teamwide energy and being able battery on demand when you are short is too useful.
That weapon is really inconsistent on her anyway. At least you can use it on Thoma :3
It's ok on my XL don't really have issue with kitain. And i also can give someone else fav
"Just use Dehya"
Nani!? Dehya is talked about and not being slandered? What time line is this
🌸😹It would be time anew to delve betwixt the intricacies of a character of most “deeply rooted” disposition and public consciousness!😹🌸
Elkonola, I'm.a huge fan. Please sign my forehead
Ganyu main here.
Baizhu is actually very okay for meltburn. My case is very specific: I don't have Zhongli and Nahida. So for me Baizhu was a solution for a defensive utility with Ganyu burst activated. His dendro app is just enough for Kazuha to maintain pyro. And he can use TTDS. And his shield provides about 3 comfortable CA for Ganyu. So for me it is a win. I wouldn't be surprised if it is the only working team of that kind with him but it is what it is :)
I use 2-piece 2-piece Vorukasha's and Tenacity's full HP with ER to up at least 130 and a R5 Amber when paired with Nahida, and his energy problems get alleviated a little. I think.
I just really want the most out of his A4 passive.
His passive caps at 50000 hp which is not that difficult to achieve.
After that you can build more er on him for comfortable play
Kinda wish he released just a stream highlight of him trying CA Kaveh
We can get more HP on him with Er,Hp,Hp Prototype amber(i played him with double dendro ,170 er without er sands and didn't have er problem) ,if we use favounius we have to use hp,hp ,crit..
Favounius doesn't have any hp bonus too..well if ur team struggling with er then use it
Also,
Deepwood doesn't work that great against multiple enemies, since his skill is limited to 1-3 targets he can't shread everyone's res
Favge strikes once again
And... I wish Kaveh would be at least mid. I really wanted to play him. Maybe this strange shatter bloom combo everyone trying is fun?
it is, you can do xq/yelan/rosaria or diona/kaveh. It does well cuz xq/yelan carries your team. Think of this team as a double hydro team with some bloom and shatter on the side
He is at least mid lol
@@Hezkun I don't really know. He feels clunky. I don't expect big numbers from 4star dps. I'm fine with them as long as they fun to play. I didn't yet find team for Kaveh where everything would go smoothly. His e cooldown feels like forever sometimes. His healing is not really enough without dedicated healer (I know: skill issue). I will be experimenting with him tho. Too bad mr Zajef seems to be very dissapointed with him, my plan was to steal his fun ideas
I don't know what troubles you guys have with kaveh, but to me, he is pretty comfortable to play
I use him as both hyperbloom driver and bloomer and feel satisfy enough
Ok here's thing that i found as a player who run keq aggravate a lot:
- After running P.amber Nahida/yao yao or even healerless bazhu shield is indeed quite nice even on current aggressive chamber.
- He's a little bit worse on aoe than i expected considering his skill often bounce on 2 targets instead of 3. The fact his Q cast doesn't apply dendro and the projectile cool down is painfully slow just makes it worse.
- For above reason this makes yaoyao edges out on aoe situation since her Q cast actually applies dendro and faster radish.
- That said even without baizhu shield i do prefer him than yaoyao just because he fits so well on 12s-14s team rotation instead of yao yao.
Even though i'm content with how he actually performed. If people who wanted a second dendro healer asked me for advice i would just tell them to get nahida and slap proto amber on her. It's not favge but p.amber is also so good on nahida as if it made for her (except the substat)
he is good, allows to build more dendro teams hyperbloom/ bloom. really good
Still has a pulse
Yisheng
Praise Favge
Pls lord if the second dendro is nahida it's NOT WORTH SWAPPING HER OFF OF DW huhu the AoE app is absolutely busted for DW
why does zajef disike Kaveh's gameplay? I haven't kept up with his vis/stream
he knew his scaling was bad but thought it would be at least fun to use briefcase attacks right? was it just not as fun as he thought it would be lol
It's just very... stiff, like he has poor forward momentum and high end lag on his attacks.
the best part of his kit is his spinning CA but we all know that's the most difficult attack to make work (need shielder, only good against big enemies cause kaveh pushes hilichurls back so far, etc)
Please next Kirara. I want Kaveh review
I hecking love Baizhu he's so cool. I use him as a driver in a quickbloom team and he's very comfy
at this point, I wouldn't be surprised if Fav series come to battle pass
Baizhu in Nilou team seems to be a scuffed take, given that it allows one to use an on field Ayato with nahida-nilou, arguably the best nilou team you can setup.
That team has unironically too much hydro and too little AoE dendro application, even with AoE Nahida. I don’t have Ayato so I couldn’t test it, but afaik he’s not that amazing in bloom, maybe he is the 4th/5th bloom archetype team, but again I can’t confirm for certain and I didn’t see enough feedback on him from the Nilou Mains community after Baizhu. Maybe in ST it performs better, but any team with Yelan would deal more damage and I’m quite sure that even 2H2D teams with Kokomi on field would still outperform it.
Edit. Can’t
Changsheng what did you do to Baizhu?! 😱 also I just wanted Kaveh for his teapot talent 😂
5:30 xp waste?
Honestly, it's a meme team but i've been having suprising amount of fun with double hydro/yoimiya/baizhu🤡 It adds a tiny little bit of AoE, and feels more fun than Zhongli
About the kaveh not feeling good to play: As one of the people really excited for his playstyle, yeah I agree, he doesn't feel good to play. Mostly because I think he would become better if you have him at c6 😢 I spent all my primos to get both baizhu and kaveh and whenever I play them both in my team for fun, When I get to baizhu all the enemies die by then so I can't even use kaveh anymore hahaha. Made kaveh my dps but he's just there sitting pretty hahahah
Zajedd is so obsessed with Fav... it's insane 🤣
we must be playing cyno differently because i found the synergy to be great; a substantial improvement by comparison 🤷♂