Watch this before you buy new shocks for your Indian Scout Bobber!
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- Опубликовано: 5 фев 2025
- If you think you need aftermarket rear shocks for the Indian Scout Bobber, think again and try this first. I saved a lot of money.
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Dave Moss saved me $700 by setting up my suspension.
Good for you man
How do you contact David
what tire pressure did u run
Please tell me what tire pressure you adjusted them to
Great information thanks. I'd say that people also change the shocks for esthetics. Same as the wheels seat and so on. However, being able to dial your ride in perfectly is priceless no matter what setup your running. And it's great to know that a service like the one you mentioned even exist.
Use a utility caliper to measure the distance from one shock to another, in my case I use 160 mm on both which is roughly 7.5 threads give and take. The stock shocks comes loosen up to fit light weight riders, maybe around 160 - 170 lb. Tightening up the shocks eliminates the shocks hitting their limits and adding more spring absorption in between. Of course having more travel to the shocks can do wonders, but unless aftermarket shocks cannot provide that, I would save the money and stick with the adjusted stock shocks.
Get 8-10 inch mini ape hangers for a more upright seat position. Take some pressure off back, and they look cool.
I agree, maybe 8" would work better. Not much more than that.
Just picked up my SB yesterday and you have helped me out big time. This video helped me out big time. Thanks!
You are welcome Terrence.
@@RemboUSMC what tire pressure are you running
@@racingfeet4169 I don't remember. I was hit head on with the bike over 2 years ago and it was totaled.
I have the basic Scout. I drilled out the second stock baffle with a 1-1/4 hole saw. Very simple mod. There is still one baffle left. The sound increased slightly. The sound became much deeper. Now when cruising, the rumble sound is intoxicating.
Where did you drill the hole?
@@ashengineer I used a 1-1/4" hole saw with and extension right through the end of the exhaust. The hole saw will fit right in. Push it in until you hit something, that will be the baffle plug. Drill it out and the use a magnet to get the plug out if it does not come out in the hole saw. Very simple to do. There will still be another baffle at the front of the exhaust so do not be afraid of making it too load.
I have mini apes installed. Works wonders for my back and bad shoulders. Those handle bars you have probably aren’t helping, just a thought.
I agree. That bike is long gone now after I was hit head on.
I own a 2021 scout and a 2021 scout bobber. You must get 10 inch apes and floor boards to make these bikes comfortable. If you want a realy good ride the seats have to go also. But they are really cool bikes.
I would like to do that but unfortunately January 2021 I was hit head on by a car and my Indian scout bobber was totaled
The second I heard the name Dave Moss I knew this was going to be a very good video
Yep, add 3lbs in front and 4 to 5 lbs in back, specialy if you ride two-up. It will prevent the scaloping of the tires. Two click up the notch shocks preload. Than you'll ride comfortably. And if its not enough,,buy a Gold Wing.
Yep sounds like bike information coming bvb from a person that rode bikes as a kid. Awesome
One of the best UTube videos I seen. Great suggestions!
Thx for advice! I just ordered a 2021 scout Bobber. I will obviously ride it first and see how everything is. It's probably the same as the 2020. I haven't been on a bike in about 20 years though. Looking forward to getting back on one, but I want it to be smooth.
I recently ordered a 2021 scout bobber as well. How long did it take you to get it from the time you placed the deposit?
I got mine 10 days back. I lucked as people were waiting for a long time. 3 took their deposit back & I happened to be at the dealership that day. I put the deposit in & got the 2021 in 2 weeks!
Let me get this right with seriously thinking about getting in your scout then I learned front brakes or no good rear shocks are no good bike will not go much over a hundred miles for needing fuel now I'm on?
It's not a touring bike
So what are the new settings he recommended if not factory? How many mm from bolt to bolt and tire pressure levels? Thx, Semper
Depends on weight and riding style
Yea so what's the better tire pressure and rear shock set up? Now that it's been 2 years later
I was hit head on with that bike January 31, 2021 and the bike was totaled. That is the reason I can't answer the question for you. Sorry.
@Rembo USMC best wishes brother. Thanks for the reply 🙏🏼
What tire pressure was suggested ?
Also, what was New distance suggested
Have the same problem here, thanks 👍
I don't remember and the bike was totaled since then. It was definitely lower than factory and I think covered in another video I did.
100%, I think people buy new shocks because they don’t know how to adjust the ones on there. The Indian Engineers aren’t dumb, they just need adjusting for each individual.
You never mentioned how many psi you used for the tires. The manual says 36(front) and 40(rear).
I don't remember now. I was hit head on with that bike and it was totaled about a year and a half ago.
@@RemboUSMC just hope you are ok, darn. I'm so, so sorry
Looking to pre-order me a scout bobber soon. For now I'm riding 2015 scout. It rides comfy and smooth. I want the bobber and yes the shocks and seat I hear so much negativity about. I'm 6"4 in my boots about 220lbs. Thanks for info. I'll see how the bobber rides when I get it and keep in mind the shock adjustment of adding 3 threads to rear if I need to losen it up a bit. Im sure I'll also have to raise the handle bars a bit I have pretty good arm reach. Dont want to hunch over want to keep back straight.
Since you are a bigger guy, you may need more than 3 threads.
@@RemboUSMC I'll see how factory setting are and go from their hopefully I won't have to adjust much.
@@infamous387 any updates on the stock ride and adjustments?
You worked on air craft and everything had to be done to the T. why not the video. state what tire pressure you used.
Out of curiosity, since you decreased tire pressures, have you had any difference in tire wear patterns or related issues?
Not at all, I'm in Florida so the center of the tire always wears out quick. I did change tires since this video. See video on my channel.
@@RemboUSMC
I’m in Southeastern Alabama, riding weather is finally approaching! I spoke with a friend who raced stock cars, and he had similar ideas as Moss suggested. First thing he asked was about tires and pressure. He also said setup is different for everyone, so I plan on researching further.
Great job on the vid btw, thanks for posting really helpful!
I also served in both the USN and USA, thanks again Marine!
Too loud?
@@ericwilson8848 way ti loud ,,, even with the baffles.
Did what you did before I saw your video, and your right.
What was the tire pressure you changed to? And how much did you adjust the rear shocks? Thanks
That was a long time ago and I don’t remember. That was three motorcycles ago and it was hit head on and demolished but I live.
I sent my forks and shocks to RaceTech and had them work their magic. I am on my 5th street bike suspension build with them. They do Indians, Victories, Harley's, Honda, Yamaha, you name it, whether it be a crotch rocket, cruiser, bagger, they do it all. They have been a sponsor of mine for 24 years now, and they have done my suspension on every race bike that I have owned when I use to race the East Coast MX Series, and even now with my fmx freestyle motocross suspension setups. I am in the pretty much screwed category when it comes to trying to setup factory suspension with any bike because I am a small guy, 5ft 7 inch 156lbs. Most bikes suspension is setup and adjustable for guys that are 185lbs +. The smaller guys like myself have to have their forks and shocks reworked. That's the difference between RaceTech and off the shelf shocks and forks. RaceTech builds your suspension to fit YOU and your weight. You don't get that with off the shelf suspension. Sure they are adjustable, but they are not custom tailored to your weight and riding habits.
Great info. Thank you for sharing.
Ive had many bikes where i had to modify the suspension. Front forks usually need new springs (progressive) or just a spacer or add air fork caps and add air pressure. Drain and change the fork oil viscosity. Rear shocks are typically needing to be replaced. Now all that is for traditional bike suspensions. Now today, I shop for a bike that has dynamic suspension systems and i dont need to worry or work on this crappy suspensions on poorly engineered systems.
I agree
Quite often, recommended tyre pressures on bikes are way too high and this makes the bikes feel uncomfortable! It's a one size fits all that they tell you to use. You could be a 120 pound woman or a 360 pound guy with passenger and they tell you to use the same pressure. I found out years ago what works best for me, being a 215 pound guy and dropped my pressures slightly before going out on a ride and being aware of the effects on my bike. Keep in mind that a drop of 1 or 2 psi can have a big effect on how it feels, so take your time dropping it a little then testing. You'll feel when you have gone too far and can then revert!
I put everything I learned from Dave Moss into a ground up build of a Ducati S2R1000 custom. It is by FAR the best handling bike I have ever owned, not because of expensive parts but because it is built and set up for ME!
Appreciate the post and Dave Moss is freakin genius for bike set ups..I catch myself stuck in his videos and can’t break away! Each one is different so better to get with Dave for your bike..
I ordered the bobber with the fox shocks and comfort seat. Now I'm thinking I went overboard, but can't change it now. I guess my first thing to do is adjust my preload about three rings. I'm curious if you could do a video on the adjusts you made to the tire pressure, the handle bars, and what you will be doing with the forks. Thanks for the video, very informative!
You made the right choice by upgrading both. You will be happy. Thanks for the feedback.
Hey why can't you change it ? Is it not like changing them on a car? (New to the motorcycle scene)
@@enriquemejia5861 Who is this question for? Me or Enrique?
@@RemboUSMC for either lol
@@enriquemejia5861 the purpose was to prevent you from buying a new seat or shocks, since Sam Jage already bought them he cant get 100% of the money back. I think thats what he ment by he 'cant change it now'
What air pressure did you change the tires to?
It’s been a long time, I really don’t remember. I don’t have that bike anymore, I was hit head on and the bike was totaled.
It sounds like I’m a similar build to you, what psi are the tires set at?
I don't remember. I was hit head on with that bike over 2 years ago and it was totaled.
@@RemboUSMC damn sorry to hear that. I just got my scout about a month ago and your videos often getting recommended to me. I’m glad you’re ok.
Thanks! Good advice. Ergonomics can go a long way.
Handle bars help back pain
Semper Fi brother how much do you weigh for reference. On if I should consider adjustment when I get my Scout
185 jarhead
Good to know. But styling and stability wise, I prefer the quad lock. Wireless charging on their mount is a plus. And most of all - good styling 😜. This one looks too boxy for the Italian beaut.
Fair enough!
So now you can spend your money on tires because of underinflation?
I’m not sure that I understand what you mean. Could you please elaborate?
@@RemboUSMC Are you running less air pressure in your rear tire than is the ideal recommended by the tire manufacturer, in order to correct a fault in your suspension? If so, you are decreasing the life of the tire, and might even be creating an unsafe condition. If however you are keeping the ideal tire pressure as recommended by the manufacturer, if you are within their specs then I wonder if you were riding overinflated at one time. What I am saying about tire pressure is, is that riding anywhere out of the tire manufacturer's specs will cause it to wear out quicker or cause an unsafe condition. The only condition I can think of as far as a tire pressure that you could run that might not cause the tire to wear out prematurely, might be a slight over inflation. However, I'm not real sure on that. Generally, a tire will last the best when it is the right one for the bike and it's kept within the tire pressure specs of the tire manufacturer.
Right now, I'm searching the internet for information on the new Scouts as I am considering buying a new bike. I believe there is a big opportunity for somebody to design and make a 5-gallon tank for the Scout and Scout 60.
So what is the preferred airpressure? I'm guessing drop it 2lbs
2 psi is a good start but the weight of the rider comes into play
Dude, of course you can tune a bike to the person. Think of it like when you went to the range, your weapon was "tuned" to your needs, not factory specs. Now then, having the skill and knowledge of HOW to tune whatever it is is a WHOOOOLE other story. Glad you got your ride better dialed in brother. Semper Fi.
What tire pressure are you riding on now
I don't remember. This bike was totaled when someone hit me head on.
From watching this video I can see that buying a Scout with the no seat option would be hell on your back.
Not really.
😂😂😂
So what tire pressure we need to set on?
Only you can answer tgst
Dave moss is insanely smart when it comes to bikes
True
Did you go 3 threads up or down? Thank you for the great video..
There were 3 more threads visible when I was done.
Hey Rembo, I recently purchased a Scout bobber 2021 and I see the same issue. I adjusted my tire pressure it gave good results but for better results is the spring needs to be tightened or loosen? please let me know.
When you tighten the springs, it has less give but won't bottom out as easy which is the path I took. At the top you will have more threads visible than when you started if you tighten the springs.
Did u add pressure or subtract tire press? I'm 220lbs
@@apitsme I’m almost 205lbs and i set air pressure from 40 psi (factory setting) to 36 psi on both tires, it changed whole experience of riding.
Risers or mini apes brother. Changes the riding position for a funner ride, but 100% your back will thank you.
You’re right, those handlebars make a big difference
Buy Dean Speed Rampage slip-ons. They're gentlemanly loud, and look better than the v&h
Thank you. I will check them out.
What did you do to the tyre pressures?
It has been a long time and I don't remember. I was hit head on and the bike was totaled.
@@RemboUSMC Damn!!! Sorry to hear that, brother.
Will have to look at all your clips so I know how best to deal with these issues once I get mine ,as watching many vids everyone says the same comfort not good so seat shocks are what most change out straight away
Yes! C5 jet mech!
Thanks for the video! What tire pressure did you go with for the front and back?
I actually don’t remember. It’s been a long time. I do have another video where I went over tire pressures when I talked about the set up for the pre-load on the rear shocks using David Moss
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@@RemboUSMC, hello there. I subscribed to your channel and had a wee look but I can't find that video. If you have a spare moment can you tell me where it might be? Thanks for this one, big time. I've a 2021 Scout ABS (same colour in fact) and this past Summer I took some semi-lengthy scoots on some of our less cared for secondary roads in this province. Bottomed out at least 4 times, and I already have a crap spine. I'm not mechanically inclined but I can follow an order or directions easy enough. Glad you made it through that head on, pard. Thanks again.
So, I understand why you explain what you made adjustments to, but how about explaining what you adjusted to- shocks, did you raise or lower? Tire pressure, less or more?
A little more info dude, please...
Lowered tire pressure, rode it then adjusted pressure until it felt comfortable in the ride and cornering.
That probably depends on where the current adjustment is and your own body weight. It'll be different for every individual.
Where did you see Dave Moss?
Remote tuning on Facetime
@@RemboUSMC Cool…thanks.
Do you think this bike would fit me well? I'm 6ft 1 and 185lbs. I've heard some negative things about this bike being too small for some people.
It is a small biker. You can get controls that push it even further forward but you’re only 2 inches taller than me and it worked well. I have a 32 inch inseam which is more of what the issue would be
@@RemboUSMC Thanks for letting me know. My inseam is only 33, so I shouldn't have any real issues riding this bike. Thanks again.
Not sure if this is relevant anymore, but you'll be completely fine..I'm 6ft 210lbs and it is extremely comfortable and I'm on stock setup, the forward foot controls definitely help
I am in Tampa and want look for someone to adjust my bike for my height and wieght. I did not know you can call that guy for help , I love his videos and coming from sport bikes - I also bought a scout and would like to adjust it for me
Yeah, you can set up a remote-tuning in 1/2 hour increments. He does come to your area for races, FYI
honestly i bought the indian piggyback suspension for my 2022 rogue ... and i regret nothing .... best 800 bucks spent the comfort in rides in legit night n day and i can adjust it on the fly.... dont be cheap with your shit buy the suspension u deserve it ..
Hey brother I want to ask you with rear suspension how much we have to tie up .
I don't understand the question.
@@RemboUSMC so, I have a brand new bike. I m facing the same issue as you.
I was just wondering whether I have to tighten or loosen the rear suspension, and by how much?
Where did you get the black side panels for the rear fender?
Everything is stock
@@RemboUSMC oh 😅
I waited eight minutes for the punch line and it never came, dissapointing
Great advice. Would these be adjustments a non mechanically inclined person could do?
I don't see why not, it is very simple and you just have to count threads and make sure they are even on both sides. We are only talking about a few more threads of compressing the spring.
Thanks Dude. excellent information.
Glad it was helpful!
What's the reason for adjusting the handlebars and levers? Does it make them easier for you to reach or is there more to it than that?
The adjustment is for a better riding position, more comfortable and ergonomic which equates to increased safety;
Thanks so much Man
No problem
Thanks Brother,Great vid
No problem 👍
I just got one,good info!
Enjoy it
When you adjusted the shocks was it 3 threads tightened or loosen?
Tighten so I added 3.5 threads more to the top by compressing the spring more.
Thanks... I was also going to buy rear shocks.
@@RemboUSMC Does it realy, or just lifting the seat higher.
@@alainbrisebois8334 When you compress the spring on the shock, it lengthens the shock and therefore increases the height of the seat but an undetectable amount.
Gee, thanks for telling us what the tire presure should be and also the shock lenght/preload.
Don't answer Is a matter of personal preference, that applies only to the handlebar.
Maybe you should pay the professional that helped him. Instead of looking for freebies
he answers these if you scroll through the comments. "tire pressure 36 both front and rear. Tighten shock so I added 3.5 threads more to the top by compressing the spring more."
275 with your weight on the bike! Not empty.
Did you get rid of the vance&hines
Yes then I sent them back. Tooooooo loud for where I live. Too loud at stoplights too. Gives me a headache.
Awesome bro! I listen to DMoss too!
The best!
What are you running tire pressure at?
I was running 38 rear, 36 front
Looks like its a secret
Im sorry, but I own a regular Scout 69 and was wondering if the shocks are totally different on the Bobber. I'm a short rider, 5'3" but as I'm a bodybuilder weigh a solid 175 lbs. Thinking I should maybe tweak the shocks.
Unfortunately I don't know the answer to that question. I believe it is more about feel and adjust to the feel that works bests for you. I could assume (yeah I know) that if they give you that amount of threads you can use what you need. My only concern would be the handling of the bike vs the comfort of the ride for a cruiser like this.
Great video. What tire ppreasure did he recommend ?
Frank Daniels 36 and 36 psi. Found it in another comment. Going to do the same for myself. Cheers!
@@Mitchwilmarth thats interesting, my 2018 scout bobber specs , has both the front and back tyres at 33 psi, and i still find the ride hard
How many threads do you have showing on rear shocks now? You're same height and weight as me and trying to don this before 700$ progressive shocks
About 7-8 because I added more to take my daughter for a ride and I just left it there. Works good for me.
I have already all those things. I am still getting shocks eventually
There are a lot better shocks out there. Right now, these are working for me based on how I ride and my weight (185 lbs). What model shocks are you looking for?
Good deal!
Good video. Money well spent.
What's the bolt to bolt length you did for the rear shocks? I think you mentioned on your bobber the manual says 275mm, which is the same as my 2018. What did you bring it down to? Or was it just 275mm + 3 full rotations?
I did not measure the bolt to bolt distance after I changed it, I just compressed the springs 3-5 more threads. I will re-measure when I get someone to help me since I have to be sitting on the bike.
Great information
What tool did you use to change the shock setting?
They come with a wrench from the dealership. If you don;t have yours, ask at your local dealership and they will probably give you one (if you ask nicely)
The spanner comes with the bike new
awsome great info I was ready to drop a grand on some ohlins
Rembo, let me start of by saying thanks for serving and protecting me and our Country. Totally subscribing to you. As for myself I'm a 60 yr old who has two things in my tool box. A phonebook and a Visa Card. Wish I had a Non Indian mechanic that I could trust up here in Upstate NY
Welcome aboard!
Thank you for this information.
You need to watch your wording...spring do not cost $700.00 but the entire shock does!!!!
True
Did he recommend adding more preload or relaxing the preload on the stock shocks?
I added more preload by about 3-1/2 more threads of compression.
So what your saying is you should be seeing 3 ore threads?
@@thegeorget1 Yes, when you compress the spring, you have more threads showing.
Have the exact bike ...what did you adjust your tire pressure ?
36 & 36
Question whats your weight? I weight about 220ish. I just want to compare your setup to ajust for mine
I float between 180-190 so you will need some more threads up top.
@@RemboUSMC buying same one this week. How Can we get intouch with him.
Where did you get the saddle bag from? I am looking for my 2019 with the same color as yours.
From the Indian Dealer. It is an Indian product.
I got mine from viking products. I have a 2019 scout bobber.
Great 👍🏽
Thank you 👍
Hi which is the tire pressure mow?
36 and 36
Rembo USMC thanks
So what's your tire pressure now?
36 36
Is this all stock?
Yes it is.
Did he take your stock seat and burn it?
No but I wanted to! Honestly, after 2500 miles the seat feels better but I still have a Saddlemen coming in some day.
@@RemboUSMC the oem seat is just misdesigned. It gives you the feel of not being connected with the bike at all. Let us know how you resolved this issue man. Thanks for the content. I was about to sell my bobber but I will probably give it another try.
@@marcowerner8739 I will let you know how this works out when we discuss the front forks.
@@RemboUSMC fyi - I got the progressive fork springs for the front and damn it changed the bike for the better. Much stiffer front which boosts the feel of confidence in stopping and cornering. Probably one of my biggest recommended upgrades for only $90.
@@sli8462 $90? wow, what kit from where?
Pro tip from an ex-racer.....you should be using 4 fingers on that front brake lever...you're welcome! ;)
oh, and Dave is the man!
@@cjschmitt4882 yes he is. With the Ducati MSV4 that I have now, 2 fingers is all I need, mostly just one since I am not racing on a track. The dual Brembo brakes are very touchy. thanks for posting!!
I like to do the same call with them, aside from reaching them via their website, do you have a contact I should reach directly and reference you?
There is a link to set up a remote tuning appointment.
What did you set your tire pressure to?
36 & 36
Thanks, just picked up a 2021 Bobber Friday and making changes already.
@@neilbrewer3886 do insert a radiator shield behind the standard guard that it comes with
@@KJfav I have a new head light and low profile blinkers on order but still waiting for my exhuast and 1920 bobber seat to come back in-stock at the dealer.
back is killing you cause your stock seat is a rock. get diff bars and diff seat, floorboards and your back wont hurt. maybe start with simple fix to obvious problem rather than start fucking with suspension.
Why are you telling us what you changed but not how you changed it? Did I miss something here?
It's highly specific to the bike, it's rider, and it's average weight load.
Sounds like an advert for Dave Moss to me. Like a pick up artist telling you how to score women but you need to subscribe. Yes everyone’s weight is different but you told us the bike details and your details... why not tell us the adjustments. Wait.. I think I already know why...
I have no deal with Dave Moss, I'm just sharing information. It is more than obvious that a person's weight and how they drive the bike comes into play. What he did for me on a video conference worked great for me and was worth the $80 rather than spending a $1000 on parts I don't need. I don't know why you feel the need to be negative when I am trying to help others.
@@RemboUSMC not being negative. It’s just feedback that anyone doing RUclips content has to expect, that, I take my hat off. But, there are plenty of us that would have like to have known if you went up or down with what settings and by how much. By watching and listening to content helps people out that wouldn’t pay out $1000 in the first place. A simple tip to anyone that is going to play around with their settings is to make sure they know where they were at and/or have the origin factory settings.
Anyway. Thanks for making content and reading my perspective 👍🏻
Aye thank you cpl
A set of progressive 444 makes a world of difference