My whole adult life I was told by every doctor that I couldn't have a live birth, that my uterus was inhospitable. When I got pregnant I had no hope, but it was early covid so I stayed home waiting to bleed. At 12 weeks I went in and saw a living fetus. Like a fragile bird in a thorn bush. But I was still told to expect to start bleeding. My dad died and I grieved in quarantine, every doctor appointment I expected to hear bad news. The scar tissue inside of me ripping to accommodate kicks, painfully telling me I was wrong. She was born with lots of medical intervention. But my little NICU baby 🐥 will be turning 1 year old next month. Strong and alive, my daughter is my world. But pregnancy was a living nightmare.
Wow you are wonder women. I have seen so many women go through what you did I have no words to tell you how much you inspire me. You are so strong. No one can imagine the physical & mental toll you had to bear unless they go through it. Bless you & your baby girl.
Your experience made me remember what my mom had to go through in order to have my older brother, she had to stay in bed 90% of the pregnancy or she would bleed and put at risk herself and the baby. Now my brother is 24 y/o. I wish it would've been easier for her as well
This experience is raw, thanks for sharing it. I'd wager you wouldn't trade in the experience of a life growing inside you for an artificial womb, not for anything. My own mother tries to explain that bond to me. I'm just a guy who happens to be in touch with his feelings though,,,,, what do I know 😉 . I'll 🙏4 U.
@@DDBAA24 My daughter was worth it. But I would have had a child much earlier if there were artificial wombs. I'm not more of a mother because I went through trauma.
It absolutely is. Im here at 12:30 in to say the same. Its touching and personal, yet still super professional and well structured. Impressive. Hope all keeps going well!
One person has already been shot dead by Sri Lankan police during a public protest in a town (Rambukkana) about 75 kilometers away from the capital, Colombo. some others was hospitalized. The Rajapakse government has reached the peak of its repression of the people. Please intervene to control this UN Human Rights Council Council of the European Union United Nations Michelle Bachelet Narendra Modi Boris Johnson Une personne a déjà été abattue par la police sri-lankaise lors d'une manifestation publique dans une ville (Rambukkana) située à environ 75 kilomètres de la capitale, Colombo. d'autres ont été hospitalisés. Le gouvernement Rajapakse a atteint le sommet de sa répression contre le peuple. Veuillez intervenir pour contrôler cela
@@mokiloke well obviously...we need a sperm to have kid...if it's cheaper than surrogacy then it's more ethical (i mean imagine hiring a woman for 9 months just to take the kid away from her)...
@@martincahill5622 well if the baby is made in a artificial womb then both the man and the woman should have the equal say in its development. I think that’s what he was trying to say.
I'm a man, and I will never know the joys (or horror to some) of being pregnant and of delivering another human beings in this world. But I know the risk all too well. So props to Cleo for sharing her most vulnerable moment to educate us. On the artificial womb side, my mother is now in her mid 60s and have chronic diabetic neuropathy, and I believe that this comes from delivering me and my younger sister all those years ago. Before she had us, my mother was warned by her OBG/YN that pregnancy and childbirth will be very risky for her due to her narrow hip. She was supposed to have 3 children, but my "younger brother" didn't make it. Delivering me and my sister, 9 years apart, almost cost her own life on both occasions. She bled profusely for days each time and had to stay in the hospital for at least a month post-partum. It always sickens me when people talk about women dying from childbirth as if they're just numbers. It baffles me when women who talks about pregnancy as an "experience" as if they're the only ones who have been through this. That number could have been my mother, and those women probably didn't have to bleed for 3-4 days after C-section. They reject the alternative based on biased tenets, baseless fearmongering, and inflated egocentrism.
@TheLiamster Why would you think that ur moms diabetic neuropathy is related to your mom birthing you and your sister? If she is type 2 diabetic, then it has been her diet that has caused it. Also, plenty of people have reversed their diabetes through diet, myself included. So don't feel bad about that. Ultimately the answer has always been in your moms hands to do something about it.
@@madelinedelvalle3666 not entirely true, the reason why OP said the diabetes caused by childbirth is most likey bc his/her mother had a history of GDM, out of which has 50% of the women will develop type 2 DM.
What do you mean by "They reject the alternative based on biased tenets, baseless fear mongering, and inflated egocentric?" The alternative to what? To the fact that the number could be your mother?
It cannot have been easy to share something so deeply personal as part of what began as a research project. Kudos Cleo. This is one of the bravest things I've seen on this platform.
I almost felt bad watching her shed tears but that'd insult her brave choice to share such a vulnerable moment. Goes to show we're all humans afterall. Thanks for keeping it real Cleo. Much love from Nigeria 🇳🇬🇳🇬🇳🇬 . I hope you pull through.
*Looking at scan of the cysts* _I was expecting something much smaller._ 😢 Right ⁉️ I was picturing peas on average, and pearl onions at worst. But no, they were the size of eggs 🥚 😞 Typing this I remember the clinic patient from House MD, who had a benign ovarian tumor the size of a watermelon, but that didn't even occur to me for cysts.
holy cow. thank you for sharing such a vulnerable thing with us. the golf ball legit made my heart sink thinking of that. oh my goodness. so glad things worked out!!!
One person has already been shot dead by Sri Lankan police during a public protest in a town (Rambukkana) about 75 kilometers away from the capital, Colombo. some others was hospitalized. The Rajapakse government has reached the peak of its repression of the people. Please intervene to control this UN Human Rights Council Council of the European Union United Nations Michelle Bachelet Narendra Modi Boris Johnson Une personne a déjà été abattue par la police sri-lankaise lors d'une manifestation publique dans une ville (Rambukkana) située à environ 75 kilomètres de la capitale, Colombo. d'autres ont été hospitalisés. Le gouvernement Rajapakse a atteint le sommet de sa répression contre le peuple. Veuillez intervenir pour contrôler cela
The way you put all the perspectives together and compare them and break the topic down so well... It's just amazing. Congrats Cleo, you're doing an awesome job.
On the contrary - I find it a very meddled and confused way to approach the subject: (1) Fundamental research - I've never found a good excuse NOT to do fundamental research (apart from human tests, which have to be made according to well-established, generally accepted special protocols); (2) Applications. The point here is CAN we make any applications that are commercially and technically viable? There are a lot of variables here. I mean, we can go to the moon, but we haven't found a way to make it commercially and technically viable - not even for the richest people; (3) What are the implications of this, socially, politically, economically etc. E.g. NOBODY had a full grasp of what the Internet would bring along - and politicians and society is still struggling with that one; (4) Ok, and this is the part where ethics come in - which of these implications are desirable? And note that one application will have both negative and positive implications - it's not ALL positive or ALL negative. Which one is more important - and why? (5) And finally, when we're all done - then the personal implications can come in. All these issues aren't peeled off properly in this post. That a personal implication becomes a common thread through the entire story - and even becomes the MAIN THEME at some point doesn't say to me that this has been properly and thoroughly researched, so that every possible view has been addressed. E.g. do we really need more children when there are already 8 billion people in the world - especially when considering climate change? Do we need to have to do longer term research on the possible health effects on people born this way before we roll this out? If we limit access to this technology, by which criteria do we select the cases that may use it? What are the psychological effects? Women are flooded with a whole bunch of hormones to ensure they will take care of their newborn. Etc. etc. etc.
My husband and I are in the middle of our trying journey, and endometriosis is making it difficult to get pregnant. I cried after finding out how much they charge to assist in fertility, even WITH coverage. It just doesn’t seem fair. I didn’t expect to click on this video and get emotional, but I’m hugely touched by the men here sharing comments of empathy from their birthing experience with their wives. Having supportive partners and men advocating for women’s health is hugely important and loving. So, thank you.
I wish this was an option for my wife and I. She had the same surgery Cleo had, except for her it ended up being cancer and she can no longer have children. An artificial womb would be so incredible for us if the tech was there. Hopefully others like us will benefit in the future.
@@conlon4332 My wife and I are doing exactly that. It is incredibly complicated and expensive and I feel really weird about asking someone else to go through that risk and pain for us.
I've heard many stories of mothers passing away during labor and it's terrifying. I couldn't bare to watch my significant other screaming in agony only to be met with complete silence and a flatlining machine. A personal hell, to be frank
Quite a few women die from complications afterwards, in the "fourth trimester". Based on the limited research, of maternal mortality it's a pretty significant percentage... when it's counted. From what I could find the majority of deaths happen after day one and the other half is split between first week post partum and about a month later.
@@PsoMythyup I was almost one of them. Sepsis shock is one of the most common causes of maternal death caused by an infection sustained during the labour process. Hands and tools going inside or during the c section
Maternal deaths in hospitals can be greatly reduced but hospital administrations, insurance policies, and disagreements among physician organizations tend to resist changing the status quo. California was able to reduce maternal deaths by 60% by implementing proactive interventions against high blood pressure, pre-eclampsia, and heavy bleeding.
I'm glad you're okay after surgery. Watching this video brought tears to my eyes. I have been pregnant 5 times, given birth 3 times and miscarried twice. My pregnancies were difficult, two of my births were painful beyond description, and may miscarriages were devastating. I still would sign up for it all again in an instant to have my children. If the technology existed and I needed it, I would use it.
As a guy watching this I gotta say these videos are really changing my perspective on the female reproductive anatomy. I didn't really think much about child birth before but now this has caused my horizons to broaden. Keep up the great content.
Please don't be so Gullible if it was this bad women won't be having any children after one yet they do because it's worth. Let's not take away so much credit from our ancestors who brought us this far by doing what worked... Just for information do look into peaceful euphoric home births they don't support the intended narrative so they have to be searched for. May Allah bless you with a beautiful and healthy family ameen
Agreed, if men suffered a similar amount of body transformation, scaring, suffering, hormonal changes, time, and risk of death during conception, there would be a whole lot more compassion for what women have to go through with birth. If they want an artificial womb by all means let them have one so bringing a child into this world is just as comfortable and painless for them as it is for us.
As a dad who is literally sitting in the NICU with twins born at 26 weeks while watching this, I can say without a doubt I’d use them if available. My little ones will be 2 weeks old tomorrow and are doing good in the incubators, but it’s asking so much of bodies that aren’t supposed to be doing this stuff yet.
My daughter was born before her proper time and she was put in an incubator for a while. One day I was allowed to visit her and I've seen how she was fed through a syringe and a tube that was going directly into her stomach. They were feeding her a small quantity of milk and probably they knew what they were doing but to me it seemed like the milk was finishing too quickly and I told the nurse that I think they don't feed her enough. I, myself, am very good at eating food LOL and my daughter must take after her father. Fortunately for my daughter, they considered it and tried to give her a little bit more slowly increasing the milk quantity and keeping her under observation. In one week my daughter gained enough weight to be out of the incubator. She grew up quickly and she is now big and healthy as an ox. Sometimes some babies must be fed a little bit more than everybody else thinks. Some babies can eat more and need more. Increase the quantity then observe. If they are fed too much they will regurgitate and they can choke themselves so the continuous observation part is mandatory. This was working for my daughter so I'm sharing it with you, maybe it helps. Where I live doctors and nurses listen to what we have to say and they are open to suggestions. They listen then they think about it.
artificial wombs will definetely screw up your baby's brain tho.. without that intimate connection,ie mother-baby bond the kid will defenitely be born a psycopath.. so for the baby sake... adopt rather than using dystopian technologies
I almost lost my wife due to a rare severe childbirth complication, acute fatty liver of pregnancy. Up until the last few weeks, she had a very healthy pregnancy. We were fortunate to be in one of the world’s best hospital networks, UHN in Toronto, Canada. My wife had a cross functional team of 24 physicians, plus nurses and other staff working to save her. I slept on the floor beside her hospital bed in the ICU every night until other family came during the day. I’m normally a typical stoic male. It took 2 years before I could tell this story without crying. Pregnancy should never be that scary. Thankfully, everyone mom and baby, almost 11 years later are doing well.
As a man who has 2 amazing girls and watched my wife go through multiple life threatening events.. 1) I would have to take the option of an artificial womb seriously 2) If I had to be the one pregnant and giving birth, I'm fairly sure we would not have done it, but I am absolutely sure we would not have had our second, beautiful daughter. Thanks for the videos, and thank you for what you do to explain and share information.
@@dylananderson20023I don’t think you know how basic biology works. That’s like saying if we could have artificial sperm, men would go instinct. No, it’s just an alternative. Whether it works, we don’t know. But a strange thing for you to say.
My only real concern is I believe that babies in the womb may need to have the feeling of movement and sound from the world outside. Hearing the voice of their parents before they're born might be a really important part of development. I'm just speculating but I think it's worth looking into
@@DieFarbeLila88 just a feeling, a theory, wouldn't want to mess up a bunch of kids by denying them that experience. Also my parents tell stories about interacting with us before we were born by feeling our kicks and such stuff
@@Sirbikingviking it's not as much a theory as you think. I took a class on early childhood development when I was in highschool. Newborn babies can recognize their parents'voice, from hearing it in the womb. That's why when you talk to a newborn, they'll turn to look at you. They recognize your voice
As a male, I want to give you supreme credit for sharing this difficult process for you. Most people hide these aspects of their lives, you bring it to the forefront. You help so many, more than you will ever know. Please continue educating the world!
I loved this topic. It's crucial to our society and to our daily lives. I feel it's a good option for a complex issue. I gave birth twice and I loved that I got to have the experience, but not everyone does.
and still.... they are made do give birth... is not so difficult process for them. if it were so difficult there were not so many having 4-5-6 children
@@duracell_87 Meanwhile others die or develop diseases and disabilities from pregnancy and childbirth. Places lacking modern medical care, and the "security"of modernism in general have a much higher morbidity and mortality rate. 150 years ago it wasn't uncommon in the West for men to have a second, third or even fourth wife because the previous ones died. What's relatively easy for one woman could be deadly for another.
@@Black.Spades yeah... and is called natural selection.... we intervened a lot in this process and now we have a lot of sick people because of this. yeah, nature is cruel, but that is nature and that's why you and me and others are healthy... because those unhealthy didn't make it. "Places lacking modern medical care" ... man... in thoise place they don't have money for a hospital... do you think those have money for this kind of expensive experiments ? they don't have money even for staying in a hotel room 2 nights....
Kind people, your inputs, please. Re: IVF Options: I'm male & "elderly," but apparently still (very) "viable," who recently became (through very hard work & much luck) able financially & emotionally (after much therapy) to father as many children beyond my only child (seemingly well adjusted, grown son) as someone would care to bear with/for me. So, what to do? Most likely, would be to find a spouse to provide ovum/embryo & a surrogate(s) to birth them. Some plan, huh?
"History has shown that breakthroughs in science and technology have often been met with skepticism, fear, or hatred, only to later be recognized as transformative." -A wise Man
@@greybo4034 human died easily without what we called basic medicine all the time until say 100 years ago. Average life expectancy was 30s or below for the majority of time in human history. What human ‘usually do’ does not mean it can not be bad and should continue. Think of that you may have already died by a simple cut, or any other infection, naturally. Think of pregnancy like enduring the cut or infection without medicine. Will you feel bad/worse or not?
Omg I can't imagine how much work you had to put into making this video happen!! Congrats, it looks amazing and the storytelling is perfect, love the debate and look forward to seeing where this will be headed in the future ☺
When our daughter had to be brought into the world 10 weeks premature, I was really wishing for something like an artificial womb for her to be put in. An incubator and N.I.C.U are loud and busy places (alarms, ventilators, bottle warmers etc. etc.) and yes they are the best tools we have but really not the best we should want. We where lucky with "only" 10 weeks early and that the lung ripeners took. An amazing progress has been made over the years by the way, in the 80's here survival change would have been very low (now it was over 90% according to the doctors), might be an interesting subject to research further? For even earlier premature births an artificial womb would be amazing. After the fact we found out that we have a high risk for the same complications if we would like another child, so we decided the risk is too high and will not have another child and focus on our amazing daughter. So any progress in this field would be amazing for future parents.
I’ve never thought of a artificial womb being weird, and I’m a little scared for my wife to go through that pain. If it saves the mom from pain and helps the baby survive I don’t understand why we wouldn’t want this.
I'm a transhumanist and I don't think gender should exist at all! I think eradicating the difference between men and women and make us a single superior being is one of the greatest undertaking for our species! Another is of course birthing intelligent machines which shall outlast us for milions of years, bless the Universe.
Lots of things can go wrong with women's bodies after they give birth so artificial wombs are great for women. it's a win-win for husband and wife. Everybody is healthy.
I thought this video would be solely on the technology, however it shows the emotional attachment built upon this new innovation. As a man, I've never feel so connected to a far-related experience (i.e. giving birth) yet so humbling that makes me appreciate more all superwomen out there. My favourite video from your channel, so far. Good job, Cleo!
I've had a friend lose her twin boys because they were born premature and a coworker who died in childbirth. An artificial womb would be literally life saving in those situations.
Well in the promotional video for these cheap plastic space pods, you’ll see that the entire process is done outside of the human body. Unless the woman has a serious risk for those things occurring from natural childbirth, you can’t predict either problem. The only way to prevent those complications is to have ALL babies born from a rent a womb. The sad fact is, those things are going to happen.
@@Steiner_Student "Well in the promotional video for these cheap plastic space pods," Doesn't matter if it's cheap, as long as it's high quality, and let me assure you, it will be. "you'll see that the entire process is done outside of the human body." That's so cool, isn't it. "Unless the woman has a serious risk for those things occurring from natural childbirth, you can't predict either problem." The fact that we cannot predict if these tragedies will occur IS the very reason why we should promote this technological marvel even more. "The only way to prevent those complications is to have ALL babies born from a rent a womb." We can only hope for such a future where such tragic risks are eliminated. But we have to respect consent too, we can't just force people. "The sad fact is, those things are going to happen." You mean, the wonderful fact? Honestly, I don't know why people are so opposed to eliminating women's extra misery. It seems almost like it's a threat to them.
@@sheepketchup9059 You’re very mistaken on multiple fronts. Your lame attempt to appeal to the shame you’re trying to illicit or expose over what you’re attempting to paint as some weird misogyny you think I’m exhibiting is transparent and boring. Try again. You lack the spiritual knowledge necessary to understand what exactly a womb is capable of doing and why a plastic garbage can can’t replicate that. And while that is not your fault, it is your responsibility as a human to learn. Until then, your opinions on this topic are inconsequential.
@@marlonmoncrieffe0728 There are no pros to playing God. Sorry, you’re incorrect. The scientists of Atlantis attempted the same thing at the end of that epoch in history and that did not turn out well for them. This is simply a recapitulation and repeat of mistakes of the past. Look into it.
As a young man (20), I am incredibly grateful for this video. It has been eye-opening to witness your exploration of this topic from a more nuanced perspective, and the perspective of a woman that one day might want to have children. When I clicked on this video, I was shuddering at the thought of artificial wombs. Now I am almost certain that this is a future technology which should be available to women if they so choose. Thank you for being a pathfinder, a knowledge searcher, and an inspiration to so many people!
It really detaches the mother from the child. There are physiologocal and physiological things that happen when a woman carries her child. This feels like when you buy something off a shelf 😢
I think this could be a liberating technology for a lot of people. The only thing I'd be concerned about is if bad people misuse this technology to create human farms for like human trafficking purposes.
Yeah, but hopefully it wouldnt be that accessible, and the government could regulate it to make sure that doesnt happen. And im pretty sure you need to be pretty smart to make it, like how you cant make a nuclear bomb in your backyard by watching a DIY video.
or for huge cloned armies or slaves.Yes there are many ways that this could be a nightmare .Cue the hysterical pod people routine.It could also give people that had no easy way or any way to have a child a chance to have a family.With all tech advances there are dangers and pros and cons .Done right this could be good thing .Remember the fuss over so called test tube babies?Time will tell if this becomes a thing.
Cleo, I cried watching you cry. Thank you for being so open and sharing this journey. You are an incredible journalist who puts the brightest possible spin on the scariest concepts. You rock.
You wouldn't want to touch this technology for at least 20-50 years after it's been established. There's incredible complexity in all aspects of biochemistry and human physiology and this certainly applies to pregnancy. It's one thing to successfully grow another human being outside the womb. However, whether they will be comparable to children produced by natural birth is entirely different. I can imagine a huge problem being the vast array of epigenetic signaling that may be occurring between the mother and child and its complete absence in an artificial wound. I can imagine many scenarios where an artificial womb would deprive a child of epigenetic signaling that is important for proper brain development and immune system development.
Yeah, once I considered this in the context of epigenetics, it made the argument about comfort seem short sighted. Also the legal battles and cost propositions around a 9 month stay in an incubator by a private enterprise may make it's own little dystopia for parents. When can you see your fetus? What if the birth fails, what happens next? Can anyone individual/entity start a fertilized egg in an artificial womb and be granted custody, or only married couples?
Furthermore there are just too many unknowns concerning the lack of contact in the womb, will that cause the baby to have mental health issues growing up?
@@higreentj doesn't that mean that it is a fitness for the fetuses immune system as well (there is transfer of immunity through the placenta)? I mean, the problem with increasing allergies comes to mind but perhaps I'm off track here.
@@nashton9964 With an artificial womb it would be more controlled. It is the first twelve weeks that are critical. The emotional state of the mother or if she is malnourished or consuming toxic substances can have detrimental effects on the developing fetus. Children brought up on farms do not get allergies so taking the new born baby into the countryside will protect against allergies.
I'm all for it. That quote at the end is exactly how i feel about it, "There is an obligation to relieve suffering when the means to do so are available, or in the abcence of the means, to search for the means." just 100% agree
@@Danuxsy For a lot of people, the joys of existence outweigh its suffering. And scientific development shows that more of the suffering people currently go through can be eliminated.
My wife had a cyst burst. And THEN had to have (painful) surgery and now CAN'T have kids; Having the surgery beforehand was DEFINITELY the better option. Glad to hear that you are recovering well.
It was the year 1989. I was a Biology student and was just learning about IVF which was still rather new then. I happily declared that parents will in future go to the hospital after work to see, talk and bond with their babies through see- through artificial wombs. In this way, women could continue working without the burden of pregnancy. The classmates laughed and called me a mad scientist to be. In College, I switched to the Arts stream. 😂
I 100% agree. A huge reason I'm really hesitant to have kids is pregnancy and childbirth. My mom didn't have it easy with me and my siblings. If it was possible to have an artificial womb, it would probably reduce my reluctance significantly.
Same. Pregnancy and childbirth put us women on sensitive moment where we are dependant on others a lot. If the father is there to provide, it’s good but if we are left alone, we may suffer depression. With artificial wombs we will be able to work and have no fear of being weaker.
Nobody has an "easy" time giving birth... just saying that shouldn't be the expectation. If having kids is like saving up for a new car, what does that do to the significance of an individual or the sanctity of life? Would it be easier to execute "bad" people because we could easily start over with a new life? 🤔
@@nashton9964 I think you're jumping several steps ahead here. What I will say is that I heard stories of women having a relatively easy pregnancy and birth, and some even enjoy a lot of the experience, but I doubt that would be me, and would easily and happily choose an artificial womb if it were a viable option.
@@SimplyMayaBeauty I am stepping ahead, you're right, and it's likely that much of this won't be affordable to most people since it's a 9 month hospital visit, but maybe it could come down in price significantly and not require hospital staff where middle income people could afford it in private institutions. To me, this makes sense for the woman who is tied to her work, but it makes me wonder if a woman that tied to her career should even have a child, or if it will always be in the background as a sort of status symbol being raised by a nanny. For the mother who is at risk for dying from childbirth complications this makes sense I suppose (and premature birth), and if this technology could be used for organ/tissue development (still need stem cells). At a certain point wouldn't a surrogate mother be just as comparable? I mean, there is the whole aspect of epigenetics in the womb and the transfer of nutrient and immune information through the placenta which shape how the fetuses Gene's are expressed. Then there is the legal problems around what happens if an artificial womb doesnt bring a baby to full development, or who owns the baby or has the right to terminate if the parents die in an accident or something. Also, if you did have a baby in an artificial womb, would you go see it before it was born? Would you play music for it outside the tank or are the caretakers expected to do that? I suppose they would probably integrate a monitoring system that has an app that could be downloaded to your phone, maybe record voice messages to your baby? I just think of so many possibilities outside of the supposed convenience of it all.
I am shocked by the number of friends I have who willingly go through pregnancy and opt for no painkillers during birth. This choice could also be something slowing progress. Also, the ability to prevent more childbirth related deaths than ever before could also be a major factor to slowing research. If you are more likely to survive, it feels like less of a pressing issue. I love the perspectives Cleo provided!
Cleo, working as a hospital chaplain, and father of 3 (one came via IVF), I have seen all sides of pregnancy and childbirth and professionally, and personally supporting people going through these times both very joyful and extremely painful. I want to say thank you for sharing this broader scientific story, as well as thank you for being vulnerable with us on your journey these last couple months. I can only imagine the emotional parts that you did not share with us. These are important questions. TV and Movie depictions of pregnancy and childbirth, gloss over the emotional toll they can put on families. Sometimes to the point that marriages break over the stress. I wish you well as you continue to heal from surgery. I hope you have time to rest as you take in the vulnerability you have just shared. That alone can be very taxing.
Cleo, you're honestly the best science communicator in the game right now. You know your stuff but make these tech issues incredibly human. Keep on keeping on! ❤️🖥️
Sure, Cleo isn't the absolute best, but I'd place her in the company of those named in other replies without any hesitation whatsoever. Presentation style is top notch. Especially in this video what comes through is the breadth and depth of research that the videos are built on. And *That* *Enthusiasm* is **so** infectious (if anyone else particularly likes that then check out Alexis Dahl for a similar vibe).
agreed. I think Cleo is an amazing communicator, and a brave woman to share her health journey so publicly. I do however respectfully disagree on the prioritization for maximizing childbirth possibilities. There are currently 7.9 billion of us. While all suffering is horrible, and every death a tragedy, the numbers in this video do not make a good argument for prioritizing limited research funding to this aim, when more prevalent and preventable diseases (malaria, AIDS, diabetes, etc) are within research funding to eradicate.
My friend's pregancy might have triggered her fibromyalgia. She lives with excruciating pain every day. An artificial womb, if we had that technology, might have spared her that.
Artificial wombs should be an option, that's not to say it will be the option of choice for everyone. However those who want to opt for it should have the option available to them.
I think it should be something you are screened and qualified for, like adoption. I see eugenics-like philosophies sprouting up from mass adoption of this technology which spooks me.
Even if such a future comes to be where artificial womb technology is available, I'm afraid that it would likely be financially out of reach for most people, as it's effectively a 9 month stay in a hospital of sorts, which is likely going to cost a bomb. But hey, one step at a time.
Literal tears... When Cleo showed us her reaction to news like that, it really hit home with me. I had a DVT (Deep Vein Thrombosis) in my leg when I was 24 that was caused by taking birth control pills. The blood clot was from ankle to mid thigh. I couldn't bend my leg at the time. But I remember finally recovering and being told that if I were to ever become pregnant, I would be a high risk pregnancy. It's the scariest and sadest news I've ever been told in my life. Thank you for sharing such a personal experience.
I completely agree that in an ideal world, it should be an option, especially to help more vulnerable children to survive. But I don’t personally have enough faith in humanity to believe we wont also use this technology as some sort of weapon or tool of oppression.
It will absolutely be abused. Already, western nations and people complain about the "over population" of Asia and Africa. Yet, when you compare the carbon footprint and access to resources a family of 4 in America have to a family of 10 in lets say Sengal, it is the American family that are more of a detriment to the environment. The UN and the west would definitely use this as a way to control the population of other countries even when its the ruling countries that have created and perpetuate the issue we have with the environment to this day. Not to mention that, one of the main reason having children is unsafe is because our governments do not care about giving adequate healthcare that can prevent harm.
@@GloomGaiGar I mean, we're already abusing surrogacy now. Rich people in developed countries paying poor women in less developed countries to get pregnant with their child, it's definitely a hotbed for abuse and exploitation. India even already banned commercial surrogacy since 2015.
5:19 Wage gap is average vs average. Women go for less paying jobs. It isn't either's fault. Not all of us are lucky enough to have a working uterus. I would go for the artificial womb if it were affordable.
Most of these discussions seem to focus on the pre-birth consequences. However, it has been demonstrated that at some point babies become sensitive to outside stimuli, and apparently absorb some of it. I can't help but think that after attempting it, we might discover that the baby constantly hearing Mom's voice or heartbeat while in the womb might be a lot more important to helping the baby transition to the outside world than we think. I can't help but be reminded of all the children that had severe developmental issues because it wasn't understood that babies need a lot of physical touch to thrive. How many years will it take before developmental issues (if there are any) will become apparent, and who will be the ones to volunteer their children for this process before these problems have been discovered and fixed?
1) Intermediate technology, as per the case of premature babies, would mean that some of the impact would already be tested 2) As artificial womb technology become viable, it is likely that the first users would be mothers facing great risk, who would rather try having their fetus moved to an artificial womb than have an abortion (so in that case, that is where the risks can ethically be allowed) 3) In anticipation of this known fact, external stimuli would be a routine in the maintenance of fetuses in artificial wombs
They could make it like a pouch like marsupial. That could give a more natural environment of course I see it the other way it could benefit "full term babies" too to have more womb like environments like when they sleep to give an example. Yes I do imagine there we'll be hiccups with such new tech. *Also has benefits for all ages
As someone who had to go through IVF to realise my dream of being a mother, I can’t tell you how grateful I am for modern medicine. I wouldn’t have my beautiful daughter if it were not for people thinking outside the box/researching slightly unorthodox elements of human biology. We don’t want to live in the matrix but giving people the chance to become parents in new and innovative ways has the potential to truely change peoples lives. Cleo you perfectly balanced the science with the emotion on this one.
Overall I think Mother Mary answered your prayer. But remember, disenfranchising motherhood from child and mother is one of the most evil sins. By supporting it you are enabling child neglect. Modern women are girls trying to drop off motherhood on anything they can
@@myrddinterwilliger4762 Whenever I hear this comment, it is obviously from someone who knows very little about adoption. Adoption is a beautiful and wonderful thing, however it can cost MORE than IVF in a lot of cases. Many times one cycle of IVF can give you enough embryos for multiple pregnancies. So you could pay the cost one time and get 3-4 children from it. Adoption costs the same if not more for each child. Plus, the birth mother has the right to change their mind even after the birth of the child. You don't get that money back. You can sink tens of thousands of dollars into an adoption only to end up without a baby after all. It can also take years to be chosen by a family. I've known people on waiting lists for 2-3 years. Where IVF is potentially much faster. Once you start a cycle, you could be pregnant in a few weeks. Also with adoption, you miss out on the experience of being pregnant, feeling your baby kick, giving birth, and even nursing your baby afterwards. There is nothing wrong with wanting to have those experiences. They are beautiful and wonderful and it is a natural desire to have. As someone who is married and madly in love with my husband, I would love to have a sweet baby that's a part of each of us. And honestly, at the end of the day those who adopt should be people who want to adopt. Who feel called to adopt. And it is not for everyone, and that's okay. There are huge waiting lists to adopt. If a couple chooses not to, it's really fine. There are plenty who do feel called to it. And there are a lot of families who use fertility treatments so they can experience pregnancy and birth, but then choose to adopt later on which is also wonderful.
@@yessigabi12 Whenever I hear this comment, it is obviously from someone who knows very little about adoption. Adoption is a beautiful and wonderful thing, however it can cost MORE than IVF in a lot of cases. Many times one cycle of IVF can give you enough embryos for multiple pregnancies. So you could pay the cost one time and get 3-4 children from it. Adoption costs the same if not more for each child. Plus, the birth mother has the right to change their mind even after the birth of the child. You don't get that money back. You can sink tens of thousands of dollars into an adoption only to end up without a baby after all. It can also take years to be chosen by a family. I've known people on waiting lists for 2-3 years. Where IVF is potentially much faster. Once you start a cycle, you could be pregnant in a few weeks. Also with adoption, you miss out on the experience of being pregnant, feeling your baby kick, giving birth, and even nursing your baby afterwards. There is nothing wrong with wanting to have those experiences. They are beautiful and wonderful and it is a natural desire to have. As someone who is married and madly in love with my husband, I would love to have a sweet baby that's a part of each of us. And honestly, at the end of the day those who adopt should be people who want to adopt. Who feel called to adopt. And it is not for everyone, and that's okay. There are huge waiting lists to adopt. If a couple chooses not to, it's really fine. There are plenty who do feel called to it. And there are a lot of families who use fertility treatments so they can experience pregnancy and birth, but then choose to adopt later on which is also wonderful.
This is a game changer! I always thought since my childhood, there had to be a painless way of having babies. I really like the way you put it - we went to the Moon, we should get a moon shot to this idea. Also, you must be getting this alot, but do you know that Kiera Knightley looks a lot like you, almost twins!!
Feeling degrees of pain is subjective, though. Some people have a high tolerance and some people are extremely sensitive to it. Plus, how much painlessness are you willing to achieve when different kinds of pain signal the mother's body to progress into active labor?
I had cysts on my ovaries (both sides) one was the size of a golf ball too and they also told me they might have to take my ovaries. My Health Care Professional also advised me that there was a possibility it was my birth control that was causing it as they'd found a link between birth control and ovarian cysts, evidently. And today I totally have a baby.
I agree with 100% of your video and hope your recovery was complete. My wife suffered horribly with pregnancy sickness with my daughter. "Morning sickness" is a euphemism covering up a whole range of experience of hormonally induced sickness, from none at all to life threatening constant nausea which completely interrupts normal living. We barely scraped through. Despite the risks of a repeat my wife was keen enough to give our daughter a sibling to risk it, and sadly the second time was even worse, we ended up with a midterm miscarriage - another subject insufficiently discussed. Given the risks and the outcome, if artificial wombs were a safe and proven option, it would have been a far safer and more viable option for us the second time.
I hear from my mum how much pain she had to go through during pregnancy and the after effects as well, i as a woman think artificial wombs are a great thing
As someone who had their uterus taken out because of illness I'd love the ability to use an artificial womb because its hard to get another woman to produce your baby and grow it for 9 months then just give it to you after pregnancy. Those unable to have kids could really benefit from this.
@@GirlDo3 The strongest urge in humanity is to find a mate and reproduce, to have a family. Some people choose not to, but they are the minority. There is nothing wrong or right about this as a choice. If you think there should not be procedures to mend or circumvent when the body fails or is broken in its purpose, then you must also disagree with all of medicine. Do you disagree with organ transplants, cancer treatment, dialysis, pacemakers, artificial limbs, incubators? Or should people just accept that there is a part of their body that is failing and be ill, have a disability or die? Why would you object and consider it simply to be fate when a part of your reproductive system is not working properly and be denied remedy for that, just like with any other part of the body that is not working properly?
@@GirlDo3 There are tons of things that aren't necessary. You don't necessarily need to have internet, nor good tasting food (just nutricius), eletricitity, running water, you don't necessarily need a degree, nor you need a fancy and beautiful house. We have those things because we like them and sometimes we make choises. I like fancy food, so I'll just find a cheap apartment or I prefer a big home in some beautiful area so I am okay in beeing frugal in other things.
Passing kidney stones is said to be the closest men ever come to experiencing the pain women go through in childbirth. Having passed one myself, I get the message, and I am so grateful that I had someone there for me when I couldn't understand why I was in such pain. She got me to the E/R, while I writhed in agony and sat my me the whole way. Sadly, she'd lost her ovaries to cysts. Adoption was the only option at that time. Is this some kind of weird irony or what?
I'm so sorry you had to go through that. As a mother of three, going on four, all born without medication of any kind, and having experienced several traumatic injuries that don't even come close to kidney stones, it's my strong opinion that we overrate the pain of childbirth. It can be painful, yes, but except in very rare cases the pain is intermittent and manageable with proper support. Also, everyone in the media makes it sound like the pushing and actual delivery is the absolute worst pain possible, but most women find pushing to be more like really hard work. Our bodies were designed to expand and stretch to allow a baby out. The ureters and urethra were not meant to pass anything but urine, and anyone who's had a UTI will attest that even urine can hurt terribly when conditions are wrong. I'm sorry your support person lost her ovaries. I was infertile for six years before conceiving my second child, and understand how precious every child is.
@@alicewilliams9301 Thank you so much for the sympathy. One thing about it is that I did not know what the pain was and could not predict that I would have come through it so easily once the pain was dealt with. As for my ex girlfriend, I still kind of lover her though I lost her to someone else. But, I do remember that her monthly cramps where pretty awful with that condition. Again, thanks for the comment.
@TesserId Have had two children, one with almost no pain relief and one having been given diamorphine, and kidney stones twice and, lithotripsy treatment. I've also had egg retrieval with no painkillers (very painful indeed, but doesnt last long) and a myleogram where dye is injected into your spine and you have horrific headache. Diamorphine was awful. Felt ill and not in control...in retrospect I'd rather deal with the bad pain of childbirth and not feel the horrible out of control and struggling to focus that I had with the diamorphine, especially as things were going wrong with the labour. Kidney stones is definitely up there with pain intensity to the point of vomiting...but my first childbirth was like that anyway. Psychologically, child birth pain is different. You can focus on the waves and you know there will be an endpoint in the near future. Kidney stones mess with that because you dont know when it might strike and how long or if it will pass, with the concerns around infection. From a pure pain perspective though, having had stones too large to pass on their own, I would say that it isnt worse than childbirth with no meds, but it certainly has a similar intensity!
@@shelleyphilcox4743 Oh my, so much to deal with. You have my sympathy. And yes on the vomiting. They brought out a bucket for me as I checked into the E/R.
As a guy, im going to be selfish and say that yeah, artificial wombs should be an option. I dont want to risk the loss of both/either my child or partner. And nobody talks about post pregnancy depression. I know a friend of mines wife tried to unalive herself and her child due to this. My mothers a tiny woman(4 ft5, less than 100lbs) risked her life to give birth to me. And as a medstudent, I've seen too much ugly things , and I dont want her to risk it.
@@Manvir. It was a strange word to use. But he might simply mean it would be in _men's_ interests as well not to have to worry about their wives losing their health or even lives.
Thank you for telling your story, Cleo. That quote at the end of your story by Dr. John C. Fletcher, "There is an obligation to leave suffering when the means to do so are available, or in the absence of the means, to search for the means." is incredibly compelling!
Just want to say that as a guy, I've always wanted artificial wombs to exist, I find the arguments against their development and use (that the technology might be misused) ridiculous. I want this technology to exist because it could save lives and eliminate entirely a very risky and challenging aspect of billions of people's lives. To those worried about misuse, I would point out that if you're afraid a life saving technology might be used by your government or leaders for evil, maybe you should be examining who we're allowing to BE our leaders in the first place, because that's not an issue with the technology, it's an issue with the people in charge that is driving your fear.
i mean we still invented nukes. Literal hammers og gods, but we still manage to live peacefully. i say invent wombs, but make sure to enforce strict laws . Like you can make artificial armies, population control can be done. And socially speaking, this would break the nuclear family structure.
Ridiculous? How about a religious baby factory blasting sermons and gregorian chants at shelves of babies? How about chinese baby factories producing 100 million perfect little nazi soldiers that daddy Hitler would be proud of? How about pedo billionaires breeding themselves a stock of playthings? Not that they can't already, but it would sure be more convenient. This shit needs to be controlled more strictly than the banking system and california weed farms. We are talking executing everyone involved. And that absolutely MUST be a globally enforced law. We are not ready to deal with all this shit, but then again genetic engineering, designer, art-womb babies and AI just might be the solution to all of our problems, including not being prepared for it, eg; all the stupid people will be weeded out. But I wouldn't bank on it.
Its not going to be just misused. It has the potential to become chic, the in thing, and the cultural norm. It could and very well may take the route of the c-section. From sparingly, to expected. In one lifetime it could become the experts' medical recommendation.
They meddle with God's creation, they'll also meddle with genes. This means that you will get a baby that may have features you wouldn't know they have implanted or extracted... carry that story even further by including a use by date... everything they have invented was initially to better humanity but someone got a hold of it to change that. Let's speak about genetically produced food... a nightmare. Or how about the splitting of atoms that became THA BOMB! Let's not forget the invention of the cell phone... children work in mercury polluted environments so you can be in constant contact with your "friends". Disastrous as kid's are turning into controllable dumbbells nowadays. The list goes on and on and on... who needs scientists. They've proven to eff up the world on most parts.
I am pro the option as woman can use IVF, but men does not have any options. I met a man with Down syndrome at a conference. He has studied at university, and even has a master degree. When he talked it became very obvious that all though he’s accomplishments he had not been able to find someone that could see past he’s Down syndrome and have children with. He yearned to be a father. This could help him and many other men in he’s position
So excited to learn that this is a thing! I had such a difficult time in my pregnancies, and I know that some people have really extremely difficult times with pregnancy and birth. Even without other risk factors pregnancy and birth are really risky for the mother. Plus there are so many who are unable to carry a pregnancy for many different reasons. If it were a viable option it would be amazing
I am due in 5 weeks and I pass out randomly for an unknown reason. I would definitely support the availability of artificial wombs for the general population. People have legs to move from one location to another and nobody is giving the stinky eye to vehicles/bicycles… why suffer when technology could help us out 🤷🏽♀️?
Because giving governments the ability to birth new kids is a terrible idea. Why keep open minded people who don’t like your government when you can birth a new lot of brain washed children.
@notyourmom what? It was an analogy which stated that just because cars are a form of transportation, it doesn't mean you can't use alternatives that suit you best.
The biggest concern is how it will affect the baby. We don’t know everything there is to know about development. Probably nutrients are given from the mother that we may not even know about yet that is necessary for important development. Also, what the baby experiences from the mother might be extremely important to development as well. I only see this as an extreme alternative for cases where the baby will die unless they are in an artificial womb. We should prioritize our children first. You know women have been fooled before about using something to help with pregnancy that ended up causing major problems for their children. For example, women used to take a drug that was marketed to them as safe and gets rid of nausea. It did get rid of nausea. But what they didn’t know was that it caused birth defects-missing limbs and such. Anyways so that’s why prioritizing children first is how we should think.
Just found this. It hits on many levels. I nearly took myself and my mom out cause I was overdue and got stuck. It wouldn’t be the last time I got myself and other people in trouble because of my fat head. Glad you’re ok 🙂
This is exactly what I want to explain to my mother. Do I want biological kids? Yes! Do I want to risk my body and mental health! Heck no! No matter what anyone tells me pregnancy WILL affect my body and surely for the bad, I don’t want permanent damage if I can have the option to simply not. Why should we suffer 9 months if we can create the option to simply not? Why should we accept people just say “oh, she’s a woman, that’s her biological job”, we’re past that time, we have technology, I wish I could just lay an egg and leave it to grow like a turtle or something.
Amazing! We need more explainers about women's health. The world, teens, me... a 40 year old woman needs this education. You are an amazingly strong woman. Keep doing this great work. ❤❤❤
I just worry about the philosophical implications if this is ever adopted on mass. The significance of the individual in society, the sacredness of life in general. Like, does a baby in an artificial womb get terminated if the parents can't pay anymore? Who is held responsible for a unsuccessful birth, can the parents sue? Can non-married people create a child, like, could a single guy create a daughter because he just wants one?
@@nashton9964 Single men are already having biological children on their own but using the womb of a woman that they pay to carry their child. At least with the artificial womb a biological woman doesn't have to go through all of the risks and body changes, as well as emotional impact of carry a child and then having it taken from you.
@@trini8 Those are surrogate moms and if I remember right, usually it's because a rich couple can't conceive and dont want to adopt. I've also heard it's because the woman doesn't want to "spoil" her body with childbirth, gotta stay sexy I suppose. But yeah, it seems like an option already exists for an artificial womb in the form of another woman getting paid over a years salary that she's choosing to do as a job, there is risk but there is also risk in catching crab in Alaska. Also, I'm pretty sure there is a screening process for couples and at least the woman getting impregnated can choose. The way you pose it makes it seem more like human trafficking where women are giving little money and then some dude swoops in to take the kid. Also, there is just the horror of getting raped, but in most states a woman can get rid of the fetus before it comes to term.
Even when I was a young teenage boy, as soon as I heard of the concept of artificial wombs, I started daydreaming of a future where that was the norm. I remember discussing this with my mum back than. My mum worried about the impact it would have on maternal love, but I quickly reminded her that (cis) fathers don't give birth.
Yeah but a mothers love is far stronger usually. The fathers grows after the child is born, the mothers is there right from the start of knowing one is pregnant - so yeah your mother does bring up an interesting question there - I guess with adopted children but is the bond there the same as that or a birthed child mmm deep down its not ones blood and genes and thus not carrying the same future, a compromise due to love and/or desire to have children at almost any cost. Having the pain of birth/caesarean and having the child removed from the body and being freed from carrying would psychologically bond more to mother and child (and don't forget breast feeding - would that be some thing redundant? - dont want those complications either? - just feed the new born powdered cows milk with a ton of sugar or some cloned thing), but artificial wombs, there would be none of those as you would be effectively rolling down to the local store and picking up the equivalent of a new puppy.......
@@rw-xf4cb People have surrogates now. This is surrogacy without the potential exploitation of women to do so. You still need genetic material to make a child, you can't just "roll into a store and pick out a puppy". I think your conclusions reduces the parental capabilities/love of fathers, infertile women/women with health complications, and LGBT parents everywhere.
@@rw-xf4cb no pet sore has a 9 month waiting period if you think people would do it just because its easy then they would probably adopt to skip the wait
@@evandentes4716 , my point is that if fathers can love their children without having to be pregnant or give birth, then surely mothers who don't get pregnant or give birth to their children are just as capable of feeling strong love for their children.
I've only ever heard ovarian cysts to be nothing other than excruciating - a repeated baseball bat to the gut. I can't imagine how it must feel to have them large enough to risk an ovarian torsion - you're an absolute trooper and a total badass. Really hope the surgery is the last you hear of it 💪
I like how child birth is always talked about as in this super awful thing that men dont understand and then you're even taking it a step furthet and saying that, that is why, "there is little to no research in this area" like it's just some issue that men dont bother with because meh it only effects women. Doing research and experiments on humans is very difficult look at things like thalidomide. There has been massive effort by science to make pregnancy safer and easier and there has been a lot of progress and it is still progressing to date. I dont like how we talk about pregnancy in this fashion that men could never understand pain like that 99% of workplace injuries and deaths are men, i broke my femur and 3 bones in my pelvis at work and im totally unconvinced that it would less painful than an average pregnancy. Men get injured and killed all the time constructing things necessary for society, women experience injuries and deaths from pregnancy. Work safety and pregnancy safety are all improving and have improved massively but the world isnt perfect and sometimes bad things happen while doing things that are necessary for society, i dont see how its specifically unique to pregnancy and women. And implying that since pregnancy is still painful that those male scientists are just neglecting women is an even further stretch. There are gaps in research in males vs females but these gaps often exist for logical reasons for example initial drug trials are almost exclusively experimented on young healthy males, specifically because of the risk to female reproductive organs, but science is very aware of these gaps and efforts are being made to improve them.
I have a two month old baby. I’ve definitely thought that there should be artificial wombs, for many reason, though I view it as something in multiple decades. Even an easy pregnancy is exhausting, difficult, and expensive.
If all these important life matters were easy like a vending machine it would alter your happiness and purpose. People don't do well when all they have to do is want something and it's there with no work or sacrifice all things become less treasured and ultimately meaningless. It has to be this way because of all the evil that exists around us.. we don't live in a perfect world and plenty of really bad people out there so being able to just push a button and get whatever you desire ... so to speak.... would and will make it so much worse.
@@just4now141 It would never be easy like a vending machine. I could foresee doctors and special technology people having to check on the fetus as it grows. The machine to hold the growing baby will have to be maintained, as well as the balance of nutrients. Pregnancy is difficult. Some women can’t get pregnant, and it could work for gay couples as well. It’s also the case that we have loads of technology to make our lives easier that is normal, like plumbing, dishwashers, laundry machines. You could say gestating a baby is more important, but it can be so debilitating, and like I said, expensive. The important part of bringing a baby into the world is raising the baby well. I think a machine carrying a baby would lead to less trauma in the case of miscarriage, better control for issues of the fetus, optimal nutrition, etc. it would just be better. You could still make your argument at the end of the day, but this technology would be developed regardless of if this view is true or not. IVF is and was also very controversial, it has helped so many people get pregnant that couldn’t get pregnant otherwise, or raise the chances of it. This also wouldn’t be an easy option. I could foresee a lot of beuracracy behind this kind of technology, and it still being harder than just getting pregnant.
@@rachelle2227 I'd imagine the restrictions on who would be allowed to use the technology would be naturally quite strict, even more strict than adoption even. And it would probably be a bit expensive also but would have TONS of perks. Wouldnt be like a human right though as humans can already naturally reproduce and invitro would still be a thing.
@@GiRR007 Yeah, for a long time I think it would be very expensive. But being pregnant can be very expensive too. Ultrasounds, if you develop gestational diabetes or another pregnancy associated complication, seeing your ob regularly, time off work if you have to be on bed rest, etc. of course this machine would be expensive, but I imagine it would be like a long term rental kind of thing (well I guess it would be in a hospital setting, though in my fantasy world I imagine it being in my house). Doctors and what not would have to see the fetus, but I imagine that any issue would be easier to treat and diagnose. Giving birth is extremely expensive too. Out of pocket was $5K for my uncomplicated delivery, and really more like $10K, since we had to get the expensive version of our health insurance we wouldn’t have gotten otherwise. Giving ‘birth’ if a fetus is in one of these machines should be extremely straight forward, and I imagine that aspect would be less expensive. There shouldn’t have to be any premie babies, and NICU stays are very expensive. In a way the fetus would always be in the hospital, but the machine would tend to pretty much all its needs, other than like refilling it with nutrients and checking on it. Eventually, the price could go down just because it would likely be a lot safer for mom and baby than traditional pregnancy, and more people would eventually use it. Scale would bring the price down.
@@rachelle2227 I do wonder if there would be a point of having an in home birthing pod. It would seem like a waste of resources considering the pods would probably be reusable and rather large space wise so just using it to get a few kids and then never using it again would seem inefficient. Unless maybe perhaps these pods could be handed down to future generations so that they can also use them, or even have elderly people be able to raise a child well past their capability to actually give birth. Along with life extension technologys. So in my imagination I think that you would have places like say hospitals that just have large numbers of these pods in a room somewhere that are in constant use.
Wow, what a very intimate insight into your personal life. I'm happy for you that surgery was successful. I'm a man (obviously 🙂) and was present when my son was born more than 40 years ago. Before birth I was jealous of my wife's pregnancy. That changed over time as the pregnancy progressed and totally after I saw how much pain is involved. I had read about it and talked to mothers but you can not imagine what a woman is experiencing when the child is born and I still can't comprehend it because I never experienced it. My wife was in labor for more than 24 hours and it was tough on her, really tough. It is a scary debate nonetheless. Images of The Matrix put fear into my mind too, but as you said, it gives women (couples) more options, true. And it would be the rescue for those that cannot have babies for whatever reason. It looks a bit like the discussion about cloning which is also a very loaded topic. Thank you for another very well crafted video Cleo.
This video was literally incredible. It shifted my perspective from “I mean it would be nice but not necessary” to “omg we need this now where is the moonshot” Especially like the end about ivf and how people wanted it banned, didn’t trust, etc. and now it’s a medical miracle. That’s how we should be treating this tech
I just fear what this will mean when it's adopted on a mass scale, will it diminish the importance of an individual life since the risk of creation is so low?
@bigfishh in the same way we dont value free handouts (straws, bags, cups), or how we appreciate things more if we have to work hard for it. I think there is a tight bond created when a mother goes through the trauma of having a baby, which is why that relationship is stronger than the father-child bond. It's also why soldiers who fought together and saved each others lives become some of the tightest knit groups in society, it's why gang initiation is so tough. I think a child born from a chamber will be loved by a family, but I can also see that certain governments may want to use this technology in tandem with genetic enhancement trends to create more "worthwhile" classes of people. I also wonder if the people having a child this way, not because they cant conceive, but because its convenient, should even be having kids in the first place. If, say, a job is so important that you wouldn't want pregnancy to hinder it, how is having a child change anything? I just see neglected children being more attached to nannies than parents in that situation (gotta produce an heir I guess?).
@bigfishh Maybe an object was a bad analogy. Adopting a pet is a better one since generally people are looking for a certain breed or some quality that they love, plus pets are unique like kids, but they can't talk back (which has its ups and downs). I think you are right that if people want a child then they will try to do what's right for it, but intentions and actions are two different worlds and often we fail to live up to our intentions or realize a thing we believed we wanted wasn't what we thought it would be (insert tragedy). Another aspect of this is the legal and payment around this. Now I'm not sure how surrogate moms work, as they are the closest analogy to this, but if a baby doeant come to term there it's a tragedy of biology, if it happens in an incubator then is a failure of technology and the institution that runs the program and machines. Would somebody pay up front? Pay as you go? A lump sum at the end? Perhaps a little of each and the you can sue depending on where the accident happened? What happens to an incubated fetus if the family dies in a crash and there is nobody around to take it? Is it terminated to make room for the next paying customer or is the extended family supposed to pay off the debt and take ownership of the child? I just think we will see some interesting conundrums around this whole practice outside the convenience of it all.
That is true to some extent but psychology has actually proven the father can be as much of a primary care giver as the mother it all depends on who offers more quality time to the child, and also the bit about ‘..people who choose to have a child through a synthetic womb because it’s convenient shouldn’t have children’ that’s like saying fathers and men should be stripped of the prospect of having children because they don’t have to go through the hardships of pregnancy and the extreme pain of labour and hence it’s more convenient for them to bring a child into this world than it is for a woman. I think the same with birth control and IVF this should be a choice
The last comment I think has some interesting points tbh, but for me personally I value dogs more than children and I would rather have a dog than a child and I definitely love dogs more than children even though they’re not biologically mine so it varies a lot
"If men were the ones who had to go through this, I feel like there would be more research going into artificial wombs...". Well, then they would no longer be *men*, would they?
Agenda you will possible wont have natural conceived birth in 200 years from now and everyone will be ok ofc they wont love children as much as it will be easy to get them just order them like they are products .
I foresee a baby manufacturing company in the making. Babies can be mass produced in the lab to produce human specimen for lab research work just like we do with lab rats. So, no I don't think it's a good option.
Thank you Cleo for sharing such a powerful and personal part of your story with us. On the topic of artificial wombs, I am all for expanding the options. There are women who want to have kids but can’t or doing so may harm them. Or the growing organ use for artificial wombs. Keep researching!
We will 100% see artificial wombs for humans in our lifetime. This guy already did it with another animal. It will happen the first time an infertile rich person wants a baby without using another women. Also, this video was way too long as it did not explain any of existing artificial womb projects and their current status.
Nothing could make my want to give birth naturally. I really wish this could be a thing in my lifetime. But I doubt it will be. *Edit:* I feel like the people that haven’t actually birthed children don't understand how horrible and lingering the effects are. Sayingnthing like ‘this is a distraction’ really downplays the danger, lasting changes, and pain of reproducing for women. I have to say it. When things are made for men, it’s not a distraction, it’s a necessity. And this is actually something that can have a permanent positive effect on many women’s lives. Because I know much of young Gen z and young zennial women don’t want to give birth because they have access to more truths about the lasting negative effects of pregnancy and childbirth.
Do not be fooled so easily. This is not being done for the benefit of women, this is being done for men in a roundabout way. This technology has only emerged when men are dressing up as caricatures of women and insisting science is not real.
It is a distraction if we start overlooking all the different ways we can make the natural process easier just because the resolution should be to completely skip natural pregnancy. This cannot bypass research in areas of pain reduction, risk management, development of safety structures to high risk communities around the world, a radical re-evaluation of parenthood and work security, and so forth. If it does, it's an obvious violation against a lot of women, not the straightforward noble solution the loudest of supporters seem to think it is. A lot of people still want to carry a child, and in that case the pregnancy itself, the physical process of developing and delivering a child, isn't the issue. The fear, as I see it, is that we see the current risks as inevitable and not something to work with, and therefore think the only possible means to solve them is to cancel the process altogether. It's also a huge risk for equality if something like this becomes an excuse to maximizing profit: if pregnancy is seen as by default an economical hindrance and not something the general society should direct more resources to in order to _not_ make pregnancy a chosen economical punishment. Imagine having to choose not to carry a child yourself because your employer sees falling pregnant as just an excuse to take time off working. For a lot of people this is already the case, but is the problem actually not being able to work for some months or the fact that in much of the world businesses and states don't see parenthood equally important to the profit from working as much as possible? Just because you could choose not to carry the choice of carrying is seen as choosing the hardship that naturally follows, and not something that simply requires collective effort and support. You're choosing to suffer so you don't deserve support. In this hypothetical case, a usual pregnancy isn't necessary since we've come up with an alternative, so why waste resources to making it safer and easier? This is already the case in many types of health topics where the hardship and suffering is seen as a choice and an individual responsibility instead of uncontrollable human phenomena worthy of compensation. So no, it's not only about patriarchal aim at belittling the needs of women by opposing artificial wombs, it's about the ways in which artificial wombs might end up belittling the needs of women and enforcing the current problems even further.
@@AammaK No. It’s not. Lots of women don’t like any part of the pregnancy process. The changes that I makes to there bodies are equal to quality of life. And there is nothing that can reduce the risks completely. there are much too many factors that go into any woman giving birth. There are also the fact surrounding the process of women carrying male DNA in there bodies that higher there risk of metal health problems like schizophrenia, depression and psychosis. Nor will you will ever eradicate the risk of tarring. There are a number of things that canYour properties don’t simply overrule others. No research is a distraction-you don’t get to make that choice or tell people what should matter most to the. Nor do you get to put limitations on technological advancement that may help numerous people’s quality of life because you don’t think society will cope with the freedom to make those peoples lives better. Nobody is saying women can’t get pregnant. This would never eliminate pregnancy completely. There are too many accidental pregnancies for that to happen and it will remain a part of our lives until there is better birth control for men and women on the market. Also. If society can’t research multiple things at a time. I’m uncertain why we even have 7+billion people on this planet. This may influence some of the research your mentioning, as this would have countless applications, as stated in the video, however no one is saying all scientific funding should go into this. Just that it should be researched also, as should anything that benefits a large group of peoples quality of life. From those hesitant of pregnancy, to those who cannot carry to term themselves. It is sickening to here a woman disregard other women’s fears and valid and justifiable hesitations in the face of a process that is in fact rightful considered a burden to many women.
Hi, I'm a 26-year-old med student. I got into med school a little late, I came from an unprivileged background and had to delay college for a little while, and pay for it all myself. Because of this, I now have at least another 7-10 years left of just education and residency, during which time having a child is pretty impossible. Even if you do somehow manage to do it, I promise you it's hell. Could you imagine being pregnant, standing on your feet, and leaning over someone while doing surgery for 18 hours a day, 100 hours a week? For me, something like this is the only way ill ever be able to have a child. I'm going to be in my late 30s to early 40s by the time I'm "done" with everything and a proper attending. I can either adopt, pay someone to carry a baby for me, or dont have one. those are kind of my choices. p.s. ive also had an ovarian cystectomy. It was crazy hearing your story, basically the same. I had 2 smaller cysts, 1 very large. They weren't twisting or anything though. The surgery hurt like a bitch.
I think that’s the government and the education system faults who treat you like a working machine and deny your basic human needs as a woman And by the time artificial womb’s become a thing companies are going to deny you the right to take a pregnancy leave, and force you to buy your baby from the baby store If this thing happens humans are quite literally gonna be treated like working machines and baby’s are going treated like solid products Artificial wombs are a nightmare fuel I don’t know why some people wants them to exist
As someone who had hyperemesis my entire first pregnancy and am now wanting another baby but terrified (also emotionally couldn't handle a surrogate personally) I would love to use an artificial womb! How cool would it be so make appointments to go and see your developing baby!
Do you ever think what this baby will grow to be as a adult. You are going against Gods creation .Why God created man and woman? Think twice before you make decisions?🙏😇
@@dragicaspehartoljenovic5978 have you considered that some people don't believe in God ? Particularly your God you believe in? So this type of question is irrelevant for a percentage of the world population.
@@dariemperez6833 No I think those babies will have mental issues growing up. Imagine you were that baby and when you grow up you are told that you were born out of a machine and your parents made adjustments on you to get their “perfect” custom baby. For me, the line is crossed at the point where you can create a superhuman or any life. And some countries will use this for their benefit and create their super strong soldiers. And when it’s possible to control humans physical abilities then it will be possible to control their mind too even if it’s unbelievable now. And you can’t even prove me wrong because this hasn’t been (officially) used by anyone and there are no grown up humans who were born that way. This invention will be fatal in the future. The world clearly needs Jesus who died on the cross for everyone’s sins before it’s all over and I guess it won’t be a long time till that point.
@@iphone7850 You are mixing two different topics here. Artificial wombs have nothing to do with genetic modifications. You can use artificial wombs without modifying the babies. You can have genetically modified babies implanted in a woman's womb. They are not co-related. Re:"Imagine you were that baby, and when you grow up you are told that you were born out of a machine" I can imagine it and I don't see any issue. Today we have babies born through invitro fertilization, the so-called "test tube babies". None of them has become crazy or whatever.
I wonder how an artificial womb would change the relationship between mother and child and how it would influence the child. I am not at all against an artificial womb! As a psychologist, it is a genuine and open question for me. We know what the mother experiences during pregnancy will influence the child. Bearing a life within yourself also creates a connection with the child. It is not necessarily a good connection if the pregnancy was traumatic or unwanted or during a difficult time (e.g., a life crisis or a war). It would be a deep and good connection if it was a happy pregnancy. How would an artificial womb influence the baby? Would the relationship between mother and baby suffer, or would it be better if no pain is involved? Would a child whose mother would have a painful pregnancy be happier in an artificial womb? Birth is a traumatic experience for the child. Would children be happier without this painful event of natural birth? How would be brain develop without the everyday stimuli in a mother's daily life? Could we create an artificial womb with all the necessary stimuli? Questions over questions. Seeing all the comments here, many of them written with a lot of pain, it is clear to me that an artificial womb is a necessity that should be developed. Of course, everything can be abused, but I do not see the dystopian future some are afraid of. Despite working with victims of violence for over forty years now, I am still an optimist and believe in the good of most people.
The baby hears and learns a lot and I'm sure benefits a lot from physical human contact and sensing the mother's heartbeat and other hormonal changes, external sounds like music, movement like in dancing or sport, etc.
@Nic Bai Because it won't be the same. The baby will probably die young or become a sociopath etc., because he/she didn't get what was needed in the vital stages of development.
@@The_New_Abnormal_World_Order You don't know that for sure. People have said the same things about IVF and other things involving pregnancy and they've been fine. There's no harm in trying.
Ehm, I gave dislike, cause I havent learned almost anything in this video compare dto other videos Cleo do, I am sorry, but this didnt bring me much value, its like learning some celebrity married some random guy or something, that kind of information is absolutely futile to me.
Both personal and scientific, this is a fantastic video. Technology doesn't create dystopian futures, maniacs do. I agree with the idea of giving people choice.
We've come this far as a species to even be able to do this kind of research. I think we've earned the right to show evolution the middle finger for dealing us a terrible hand with childbirth.
Pregnancy and childbirth are the main reasons I am 31 and choose to remain childless. Medical science keeps to catch UP with the strain childbearing puts on our bodies
Cleo, you may very well be one of our generations great jounalists and story tellers. Can’t remember the last time I was moved by a science-based youtube video. On behalf of humanity, please never stop telling stories.
My grandson was a preemie due to preeclampsia. He almost died, and the doctors told her any future pregnancies would almost certainly be the same outcome for her. This would 100% be awesome for moms who deal with dangerous pregnancies.............🤰🥰
Stop saying if men alot of women enjoying experience of pregnancy had a friend 2 weeks after given birth she had a bad tooth ache she said she preferred the birth than toothache the key in life of painful experience is not to think about the pain but the outcome of the pain and to have lots of support around that pain not to make less painful but yes more bearable.
Being an 18 year old kid watching this video leaves me obsoletely speechless. Many things in this video are just mind-blowing such as your bravery for talking about this topic and your own personal health matters. Thank you for sharing and most important giving different perspectives of this very meaningful topic for us, for humanity. Thank you for makin such high quality free content but thank you and congratulations specially for this video.❤❤
Yeah, I thought of artificial wombs more as a solution to abortion vs pro life, as well as for men who want to keep their child when the mother doesn’t.
To the second suggestion, sure. To the first... this literally solves the least important reason of the many, many reasons that cause people get abortions.
if it was men, you would just say to them "man up" and forget it. women were given rights to better themselves and society at large, and still, it is man's duty to "man up" and save the damsel. men and women are equal in intellect and capabilities (or so I am constantly told), so go ahead women! learn, research, do studies and experiments and alleviate your own suffering! do not be damsel in distress that waits when men will do all the work and save you from pain. i have seen thousands upon thousands of breast cancer or cervical cancer awareness campaigns. less than dozen for prostate cancer and none for penile or testicular cancer. and men still are at fault for your problems, while women do not give a f*** about ours.
Just came back to this video to mention that only rich people will be able to afford this technology. So they'll keep getting better while everyone else suffers.
My whole adult life I was told by every doctor that I couldn't have a live birth, that my uterus was inhospitable. When I got pregnant I had no hope, but it was early covid so I stayed home waiting to bleed. At 12 weeks I went in and saw a living fetus. Like a fragile bird in a thorn bush. But I was still told to expect to start bleeding. My dad died and I grieved in quarantine, every doctor appointment I expected to hear bad news. The scar tissue inside of me ripping to accommodate kicks, painfully telling me I was wrong.
She was born with lots of medical intervention. But my little NICU baby 🐥 will be turning 1 year old next month. Strong and alive, my daughter is my world. But pregnancy was a living nightmare.
Wow you are wonder women. I have seen so many women go through what you did I have no words to tell you how much you inspire me. You are so strong. No one can imagine the physical & mental toll you had to bear unless they go through it. Bless you & your baby girl.
Your experience made me remember what my mom had to go through in order to have my older brother, she had to stay in bed 90% of the pregnancy or she would bleed and put at risk herself and the baby. Now my brother is 24 y/o. I wish it would've been easier for her as well
My heart.. I can hear your pain through words
This experience is raw, thanks for sharing it. I'd wager you wouldn't trade in the experience of a life growing inside you for an artificial womb, not for anything. My own mother tries to explain that bond to me. I'm just a guy who happens to be in touch with his feelings though,,,,, what do I know 😉 . I'll 🙏4 U.
@@DDBAA24 My daughter was worth it. But I would have had a child much earlier if there were artificial wombs. I'm not more of a mother because I went through trauma.
Your ability to tell stories in creative, meaningful, human, ways is so beyond incredible, Cleo. Utterly amazing work!
thank you, Rene!!
agree!
It absolutely is.
Im here at 12:30 in to say the same. Its touching and personal, yet still super professional and well structured. Impressive. Hope all keeps going well!
One person has already been shot dead by Sri Lankan police during a public protest in a town (Rambukkana) about 75 kilometers away from the capital, Colombo. some others was hospitalized.
The Rajapakse government has reached the peak of its repression of the people.
Please intervene to control this
UN Human Rights Council Council of the European Union United Nations Michelle Bachelet Narendra Modi Boris Johnson
Une personne a déjà été abattue par la police sri-lankaise lors d'une manifestation publique dans une ville (Rambukkana) située à environ 75 kilomètres de la capitale, Colombo. d'autres ont été hospitalisés.
Le gouvernement Rajapakse a atteint le sommet de sa répression contre le peuple.
Veuillez intervenir pour contrôler cela
And she is good looking as well
I am absolutely fine with women choosing to have this. My mother had me through IVF so I credit modern science for literally allowing me to exist
And men having this choice?
@@mokiloke well obviously...we need a sperm to have kid...if it's cheaper than surrogacy then it's more ethical (i mean imagine hiring a woman for 9 months just to take the kid away from her)...
@@mokiloke men ain't the ones going through pregnancy are they
@@mokiloke what choice sry? I don't get ya
@@martincahill5622 well if the baby is made in a artificial womb then both the man and the woman should have the equal say in its development. I think that’s what he was trying to say.
I'm a man, and I will never know the joys (or horror to some) of being pregnant and of delivering another human beings in this world.
But I know the risk all too well. So props to Cleo for sharing her most vulnerable moment to educate us.
On the artificial womb side, my mother is now in her mid 60s and have chronic diabetic neuropathy, and I believe that this comes from delivering me and my younger sister all those years ago.
Before she had us, my mother was warned by her OBG/YN that pregnancy and childbirth will be very risky for her due to her narrow hip. She was supposed to have 3 children, but my "younger brother" didn't make it. Delivering me and my sister, 9 years apart, almost cost her own life on both occasions. She bled profusely for days each time and had to stay in the hospital for at least a month post-partum.
It always sickens me when people talk about women dying from childbirth as if they're just numbers. It baffles me when women who talks about pregnancy as an "experience" as if they're the only ones who have been through this. That number could have been my mother, and those women probably didn't have to bleed for 3-4 days after C-section. They reject the alternative based on biased tenets, baseless fearmongering, and inflated egocentrism.
The biggest detractors of artificial wombs are women, especially feminists, who see them as taking away from women’s power over reproduction.
Lol joys
@TheLiamster Why would you think that ur moms diabetic neuropathy is related to your mom birthing you and your sister? If she is type 2 diabetic, then it has been her diet that has caused it. Also, plenty of people have reversed their diabetes through diet, myself included. So don't feel bad about that. Ultimately the answer has always been in your moms hands to do something about it.
@@madelinedelvalle3666 not entirely true, the reason why OP said the diabetes caused by childbirth is most likey bc his/her mother had a history of GDM, out of which has 50% of the women will develop type 2 DM.
What do you mean by "They reject the alternative based on biased tenets, baseless fear mongering, and inflated egocentric?" The alternative to what? To the fact that the number could be your mother?
It cannot have been easy to share something so deeply personal as part of what began as a research project. Kudos Cleo. This is one of the bravest things I've seen on this platform.
I almost felt bad watching her shed tears but that'd insult her brave choice to share such a vulnerable moment. Goes to show we're all humans afterall.
Thanks for keeping it real Cleo. Much love from Nigeria 🇳🇬🇳🇬🇳🇬 . I hope you pull through.
*Looking at scan of the cysts*
_I was expecting something much smaller._ 😢
Right ⁉️
I was picturing peas on average, and pearl onions at worst. But no, they were the size of eggs 🥚 😞
Typing this I remember the clinic patient from House MD, who had a benign ovarian tumor the size of a watermelon, but that didn't even occur to me for cysts.
holy cow. thank you for sharing such a vulnerable thing with us. the golf ball legit made my heart sink thinking of that. oh my goodness. so glad things worked out!!!
One person has already been shot dead by Sri Lankan police during a public protest in a town (Rambukkana) about 75 kilometers away from the capital, Colombo. some others was hospitalized.
The Rajapakse government has reached the peak of its repression of the people.
Please intervene to control this
UN Human Rights Council Council of the European Union United Nations Michelle Bachelet Narendra Modi Boris Johnson
Une personne a déjà été abattue par la police sri-lankaise lors d'une manifestation publique dans une ville (Rambukkana) située à environ 75 kilomètres de la capitale, Colombo. d'autres ont été hospitalisés.
Le gouvernement Rajapakse a atteint le sommet de sa répression contre le peuple.
Veuillez intervenir pour contrôler cela
The way you put all the perspectives together and compare them and break the topic down so well... It's just amazing. Congrats Cleo, you're doing an awesome job.
thank you! that means a lot.
@@CleoAbram hope you feel relieved after the operation.
@@CleoAbram very informative video! And thanks for sharing your story!
On the contrary - I find it a very meddled and confused way to approach the subject:
(1) Fundamental research - I've never found a good excuse NOT to do fundamental research (apart from human tests, which have to be made according to well-established, generally accepted special protocols);
(2) Applications. The point here is CAN we make any applications that are commercially and technically viable? There are a lot of variables here. I mean, we can go to the moon, but we haven't found a way to make it commercially and technically viable - not even for the richest people;
(3) What are the implications of this, socially, politically, economically etc. E.g. NOBODY had a full grasp of what the Internet would bring along - and politicians and society is still struggling with that one;
(4) Ok, and this is the part where ethics come in - which of these implications are desirable? And note that one application will have both negative and positive implications - it's not ALL positive or ALL negative. Which one is more important - and why?
(5) And finally, when we're all done - then the personal implications can come in.
All these issues aren't peeled off properly in this post. That a personal implication becomes a common thread through the entire story - and even becomes the MAIN THEME at some point doesn't say to me that this has been properly and thoroughly researched, so that every possible view has been addressed.
E.g. do we really need more children when there are already 8 billion people in the world - especially when considering climate change? Do we need to have to do longer term research on the possible health effects on people born this way before we roll this out? If we limit access to this technology, by which criteria do we select the cases that may use it? What are the psychological effects? Women are flooded with a whole bunch of hormones to ensure they will take care of their newborn. Etc. etc. etc.
My husband and I are in the middle of our trying journey, and endometriosis is making it difficult to get pregnant. I cried after finding out how much they charge to assist in fertility, even WITH coverage. It just doesn’t seem fair.
I didn’t expect to click on this video and get emotional, but I’m hugely touched by the men here sharing comments of empathy from their birthing experience with their wives. Having supportive partners and men advocating for women’s health is hugely important and loving. So, thank you.
Wouldn't have it any other way. Me and my wife are one.
US health care is SO f***d up! Move to Germany! You don't have to pay anything!
meh most here are soyboys
@@Danuxsy Wellcome to our club
@@TheWunder 😂😂
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I wish this was an option for my wife and I. She had the same surgery Cleo had, except for her it ended up being cancer and she can no longer have children. An artificial womb would be so incredible for us if the tech was there. Hopefully others like us will benefit in the future.
In the meantime, could you look into surrogacy?
@@conlon4332 My wife and I are doing exactly that. It is incredibly complicated and expensive and I feel really weird about asking someone else to go through that risk and pain for us.
I've heard many stories of mothers passing away during labor and it's terrifying. I couldn't bare to watch my significant other screaming in agony only to be met with complete silence and a flatlining machine. A personal hell, to be frank
Quite a few women die from complications afterwards, in the "fourth trimester". Based on the limited research, of maternal mortality it's a pretty significant percentage... when it's counted. From what I could find the majority of deaths happen after day one and the other half is split between first week post partum and about a month later.
@@PsoMythyup I was almost one of them. Sepsis shock is one of the most common causes of maternal death caused by an infection sustained during the labour process. Hands and tools going inside or during the c section
Maternal deaths in hospitals can be greatly reduced but hospital administrations, insurance policies, and disagreements among physician organizations tend to resist changing the status quo. California was able to reduce maternal deaths by 60% by implementing proactive interventions against high blood pressure, pre-eclampsia, and heavy bleeding.
I'm glad you're okay after surgery. Watching this video brought tears to my eyes. I have been pregnant 5 times, given birth 3 times and miscarried twice. My pregnancies were difficult, two of my births were painful beyond description, and may miscarriages were devastating. I still would sign up for it all again in an instant to have my children. If the technology existed and I needed it, I would use it.
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You are a warrior
I'm glad you got through this, my wife is expecting in May. It's really scary but hopefully everything works out.
thank you! and congratulations to you both
Everything will be great!
MAY YOU HAVE A BEAUTIFUL FAMILY LIFE.
Saying this as someone who lost their dad.
It is well.Congratulations in advance
Expecting what?
As a guy watching this I gotta say these videos are really changing my perspective on the female reproductive anatomy.
I didn't really think much about child birth before but now this has caused my horizons to broaden.
Keep up the great content.
Please don't be so Gullible if it was this bad women won't be having any children after one yet they do because it's worth. Let's not take away so much credit from our ancestors who brought us this far by doing what worked... Just for information do look into peaceful euphoric home births they don't support the intended narrative so they have to be searched for. May Allah bless you with a beautiful and healthy family ameen
Agreed, if men suffered a similar amount of body transformation, scaring, suffering, hormonal changes, time, and risk of death during conception, there would be a whole lot more compassion for what women have to go through with birth. If they want an artificial womb by all means let them have one so bringing a child into this world is just as comfortable and painless for them as it is for us.
TLC channel! If you are still interested in “broadening your horizons.” They have plenty of shows showing childbirth in MANY SENERIOS
@@tphone6717 i agree with you, accept the last sentence'
fuck him
@@tphone6717 Ok, have you shoved an entire human out of yourself.
As a dad who is literally sitting in the NICU with twins born at 26 weeks while watching this, I can say without a doubt I’d use them if available.
My little ones will be 2 weeks old tomorrow and are doing good in the incubators, but it’s asking so much of bodies that aren’t supposed to be doing this stuff yet.
I hope your little ones are doing well! 💜
I hope your family is doing well. My family narrowly escaped this fate.
My daughter was born before her proper time and she was put in an incubator for a while. One day I was allowed to visit her and I've seen how she was fed through a syringe and a tube that was going directly into her stomach. They were feeding her a small quantity of milk and probably they knew what they were doing but to me it seemed like the milk was finishing too quickly and I told the nurse that I think they don't feed her enough. I, myself, am very good at eating food LOL and my daughter must take after her father. Fortunately for my daughter, they considered it and tried to give her a little bit more slowly increasing the milk quantity and keeping her under observation. In one week my daughter gained enough weight to be out of the incubator. She grew up quickly and she is now big and healthy as an ox. Sometimes some babies must be fed a little bit more than everybody else thinks. Some babies can eat more and need more.
Increase the quantity then observe. If they are fed too much they will regurgitate and they can choke themselves so the continuous observation part is mandatory. This was working for my daughter so I'm sharing it with you, maybe it helps. Where I live doctors and nurses listen to what we have to say and they are open to suggestions. They listen then they think about it.
artificial wombs will definetely screw up your baby's brain tho.. without that intimate connection,ie mother-baby bond the kid will defenitely be born a psycopath.. so for the baby sake... adopt rather than using dystopian technologies
Wow! So early. It's a miracle of science that they were able to kept alive. Congratulations dad! I hope you're family is thriving.
I almost lost my wife due to a rare severe childbirth complication, acute fatty liver of pregnancy. Up until the last few weeks, she had a very healthy pregnancy. We were fortunate to be in one of the world’s best hospital networks, UHN in Toronto, Canada. My wife had a cross functional team of 24 physicians, plus nurses and other staff working to save her. I slept on the floor beside her hospital bed in the ICU every night until other family came during the day. I’m normally a typical stoic male. It took 2 years before I could tell this story without crying. Pregnancy should never be that scary. Thankfully, everyone mom and baby, almost 11 years later are doing well.
UHN is awesome!! 🏆 I’m so happy for you too!
God that sounds terrifying... so sorry you guys had to go through such experience and happy it ended well!
As a man who has 2 amazing girls and watched my wife go through multiple life threatening events.. 1) I would have to take the option of an artificial womb seriously 2) If I had to be the one pregnant and giving birth, I'm fairly sure we would not have done it, but I am absolutely sure we would not have had our second, beautiful daughter.
Thanks for the videos, and thank you for what you do to explain and share information.
Women will basically go extinct if artificial womb become a thing😂
Why would women go extinct… did men go extinct when IVF was invented?
@@dylananderson20023bruh 💀
If men got pregnant we'd give birth like hyenas, which got screwed even harder by evolution or intelligent design than women
@@dylananderson20023I don’t think you know how basic biology works. That’s like saying if we could have artificial sperm, men would go instinct. No, it’s just an alternative. Whether it works, we don’t know. But a strange thing for you to say.
My only real concern is I believe that babies in the womb may need to have the feeling of movement and sound from the world outside. Hearing the voice of their parents before they're born might be a really important part of development. I'm just speculating but I think it's worth looking into
That is interesting! But I`m sure you mast have gotten that idea somewhere? :) or is it just a feeling w/o cause?
we should make the chamber very slightly flexible and encourage prospective parents to spend time with the foetus, play music, read books etc.
@@DieFarbeLila88 just a feeling, a theory, wouldn't want to mess up a bunch of kids by denying them that experience. Also my parents tell stories about interacting with us before we were born by feeling our kicks and such stuff
Maybe an Ai recording of outside noise?
@@Sirbikingviking it's not as much a theory as you think. I took a class on early childhood development when I was in highschool. Newborn babies can recognize their parents'voice, from hearing it in the womb. That's why when you talk to a newborn, they'll turn to look at you. They recognize your voice
As a male, I want to give you supreme credit for sharing this difficult process for you. Most people hide these aspects of their lives, you bring it to the forefront. You help so many, more than you will ever know. Please continue educating the world!
I loved this topic. It's crucial to our society and to our daily lives. I feel it's a good option for a complex issue. I gave birth twice and I loved that I got to have the experience, but not everyone does.
and still.... they are made do give birth... is not so difficult process for them. if it were so difficult there were not so many having 4-5-6 children
@@duracell_87 Meanwhile others die or develop diseases and disabilities from pregnancy and childbirth. Places lacking modern medical care, and the "security"of modernism in general have a much higher morbidity and mortality rate. 150 years ago it wasn't uncommon in the West for men to have a second, third or even fourth wife because the previous ones died. What's relatively easy for one woman could be deadly for another.
@@Black.Spades yeah... and is called natural selection.... we intervened a lot in this process and now we have a lot of sick people because of this. yeah, nature is cruel, but that is nature and that's why you and me and others are healthy... because those unhealthy didn't make it. "Places lacking modern medical care" ... man... in thoise place they don't have money for a hospital... do you think those have money for this kind of expensive experiments ? they don't have money even for staying in a hotel room 2 nights....
Kind people, your inputs, please. Re: IVF Options: I'm male & "elderly," but apparently still (very) "viable," who recently became (through very hard work & much luck) able financially & emotionally (after much therapy) to father as many children beyond my only child (seemingly well adjusted, grown son) as someone would care to bear with/for me. So, what to do? Most likely, would be to find a spouse to provide ovum/embryo & a surrogate(s) to birth them. Some plan, huh?
"History has shown that breakthroughs in science and technology have often been met with skepticism, fear, or hatred, only to later be recognized as transformative."
-A wise Man
My wife who just gave birth to our son absolutely would. She says that being pregnant was worse than giving birth.
Isn't that how humans did ..since like forever??
@@greybo4034 human died easily without what we called basic medicine all the time until say 100 years ago. Average life expectancy was 30s or below for the majority of time in human history. What human ‘usually do’ does not mean it can not be bad and should continue. Think of that you may have already died by a simple cut, or any other infection, naturally. Think of pregnancy like enduring the cut or infection without medicine. Will you feel bad/worse or not?
@@greybo4034 Ok, so? Doesn't mean it doesn't suck.
@@greybo4034 Most human babies used to die too
@@greybo4034how many survived
Omg I can't imagine how much work you had to put into making this video happen!! Congrats, it looks amazing and the storytelling is perfect, love the debate and look forward to seeing where this will be headed in the future ☺
When our daughter had to be brought into the world 10 weeks premature, I was really wishing for something like an artificial womb for her to be put in. An incubator and N.I.C.U are loud and busy places (alarms, ventilators, bottle warmers etc. etc.) and yes they are the best tools we have but really not the best we should want. We where lucky with "only" 10 weeks early and that the lung ripeners took. An amazing progress has been made over the years by the way, in the 80's here survival change would have been very low (now it was over 90% according to the doctors), might be an interesting subject to research further? For even earlier premature births an artificial womb would be amazing. After the fact we found out that we have a high risk for the same complications if we would like another child, so we decided the risk is too high and will not have another child and focus on our amazing daughter. So any progress in this field would be amazing for future parents.
That would be a very good use for it. Wow, that would be amazing.
I’ve never thought of a artificial womb being weird, and I’m a little scared for my wife to go through that pain. If it saves the mom from pain and helps the baby survive I don’t understand why we wouldn’t want this.
Exactly
I'm a transhumanist and I don't think gender should exist at all! I think eradicating the difference between men and women and make us a single superior being is one of the greatest undertaking for our species! Another is of course birthing intelligent machines which shall outlast us for milions of years, bless the Universe.
because there are a lot of people who are mad stupid ... dont wanna call out names but yeah ...
Lots of things can go wrong with women's bodies after they give birth so artificial wombs are great for women. it's a win-win for husband and wife. Everybody is healthy.
There are so many men out there that clearly don't love their wives and only married them to have their 'legacy' that's why.
I thought this video would be solely on the technology, however it shows the emotional attachment built upon this new innovation.
As a man, I've never feel so connected to a far-related experience (i.e. giving birth) yet so humbling that makes me appreciate more all superwomen out there.
My favourite video from your channel, so far. Good job, Cleo!
I think so too. The emotional attachment is the highlight of the video!
I've had a friend lose her twin boys because they were born premature and a coworker who died in childbirth. An artificial womb would be literally life saving in those situations.
Well in the promotional video for these cheap plastic space pods, you’ll see that the entire process is done outside of the human body. Unless the woman has a serious risk for those things occurring from natural childbirth, you can’t predict either problem. The only way to prevent those complications is to have ALL babies born from a rent a womb. The sad fact is, those things are going to happen.
@@Steiner_Student
"Well in the promotional video for these cheap
plastic space pods,"
Doesn't matter if it's cheap, as long as it's high quality, and let me assure you, it will be.
"you'll see that the entire process is done outside of the human body."
That's so cool, isn't it.
"Unless the woman has a serious risk for those
things occurring from natural childbirth, you
can't predict either problem."
The fact that we cannot predict if these tragedies will occur IS the very reason why we should promote this technological marvel even more.
"The only way to prevent those complications is to have ALL babies born from a rent a womb."
We can only hope for such a future where such tragic risks are eliminated. But we have to respect consent too, we can't just force people.
"The sad fact is, those things are going to happen."
You mean, the wonderful fact?
Honestly, I don't know why people are so opposed to eliminating women's extra misery. It seems almost like it's a threat to them.
Yes, there ARE pros.
Most critics understand that.
@@sheepketchup9059 You’re very mistaken on multiple fronts. Your lame attempt to appeal to the shame you’re trying to illicit or expose over what you’re attempting to paint as some weird misogyny you think I’m exhibiting is transparent and boring. Try again.
You lack the spiritual knowledge necessary to understand what exactly a womb is capable of doing and why a plastic garbage can can’t replicate that. And while that is not your fault, it is your responsibility as a human to learn. Until then, your opinions on this topic are inconsequential.
@@marlonmoncrieffe0728 There are no pros to playing God. Sorry, you’re incorrect. The scientists of Atlantis attempted the same thing at the end of that epoch in history and that did not turn out well for them. This is simply a recapitulation and repeat of mistakes of the past. Look into it.
As a young man (20), I am incredibly grateful for this video. It has been eye-opening to witness your exploration of this topic from a more nuanced perspective, and the perspective of a woman that one day might want to have children. When I clicked on this video, I was shuddering at the thought of artificial wombs. Now I am almost certain that this is a future technology which should be available to women if they so choose. Thank you for being a pathfinder, a knowledge searcher, and an inspiration to so many people!
You're a good soul! ❤
Cheers
@ImaginationInAPitAs a woman, this technology is absolutely amazing. I want kids but I don't want to carry them. No one can replace a person.
It really detaches the mother from the child. There are physiologocal and physiological things that happen when a woman carries her child. This feels like when you buy something off a shelf 😢
I think this could be a liberating technology for a lot of people. The only thing I'd be concerned about is if bad people misuse this technology to create human farms for like human trafficking purposes.
Yeah, but hopefully it wouldnt be that accessible, and the government could regulate it to make sure that doesnt happen. And im pretty sure you need to be pretty smart to make it, like how you cant make a nuclear bomb in your backyard by watching a DIY video.
or for huge cloned armies or slaves.Yes there are many ways that this could be a nightmare .Cue the hysterical pod people routine.It could also give people that had no easy way or any way to have a child a chance to have a family.With all tech advances there are dangers and pros and cons .Done right this could be good thing .Remember the fuss over so called test tube babies?Time will tell if this becomes a thing.
that would be the first use of this stuff. they made killer gas before they made fertilizer
You can do this cheaper with women slaves. If someone is trafficking humans, they can breed them
@@kalinaszek exactly
Cleo, I cried watching you cry. Thank you for being so open and sharing this journey. You are an incredible journalist who puts the brightest possible spin on the scariest concepts. You rock.
me too girl, I cried too.
Her name is Cleo though
You wouldn't want to touch this technology for at least 20-50 years after it's been established. There's incredible complexity in all aspects of biochemistry and human physiology and this certainly applies to pregnancy. It's one thing to successfully grow another human being outside the womb. However, whether they will be comparable to children produced by natural birth is entirely different. I can imagine a huge problem being the vast array of epigenetic signaling that may be occurring between the mother and child and its complete absence in an artificial wound. I can imagine many scenarios where an artificial womb would deprive a child of epigenetic signaling that is important for proper brain development and immune system development.
Yeah, once I considered this in the context of epigenetics, it made the argument about comfort seem short sighted. Also the legal battles and cost propositions around a 9 month stay in an incubator by a private enterprise may make it's own little dystopia for parents. When can you see your fetus? What if the birth fails, what happens next? Can anyone individual/entity start a fertilized egg in an artificial womb and be granted custody, or only married couples?
Furthermore there are just too many unknowns concerning the lack of contact in the womb, will that cause the baby to have mental health issues growing up?
There is another side to it as the embryo is competing for available resources and the mothers immune system is a potential threat to the baby.
@@higreentj doesn't that mean that it is a fitness for the fetuses immune system as well (there is transfer of immunity through the placenta)? I mean, the problem with increasing allergies comes to mind but perhaps I'm off track here.
@@nashton9964 With an artificial womb it would be more controlled. It is the first twelve weeks that are critical. The emotional state of the mother or if she is malnourished or consuming toxic substances can have detrimental effects on the developing fetus. Children brought up on farms do not get allergies so taking the new born baby into the countryside will protect against allergies.
I'm all for it. That quote at the end is exactly how i feel about it, "There is an obligation to relieve suffering when the means to do so are available, or in the abcence of the means, to search for the means."
just 100% agree
that's why I advocate for no children because if we do not exist we cannot experience suffering.
@@Danuxsy For a lot of people, the joys of existence outweigh its suffering. And scientific development shows that more of the suffering people currently go through can be eliminated.
My wife had a cyst burst. And THEN had to have (painful) surgery and now CAN'T have kids; Having the surgery beforehand was DEFINITELY the better option. Glad to hear that you are recovering well.
I'm so sorry to hear that. I hope you and your wife are doing okay now
It was the year 1989. I was a Biology student and was just learning about IVF which was still rather new then. I happily declared that parents will in future go to the hospital after work to see, talk and bond with their babies through see- through artificial wombs. In this way, women could continue working without the burden of pregnancy. The classmates laughed and called me a mad scientist to be. In College, I switched to the Arts stream. 😂
Would be pretty nice to see my baby through the whole process. Plus, maybe it'll decrease the chance of miscarrying.
@@deadinside8781 That's right. If this had been readily available, perhaps I'd be a parent now. Should have stuck to studying the Sciences. 😀
@@deadinside8781 While it might sound cruel, miscarriage is one of mother nature's way of keeping the species strong.
Pregnancy is not a "burden".
When a science major becomes an arts major, both disciplines get smarter. ;)
I 100% agree. A huge reason I'm really hesitant to have kids is pregnancy and childbirth. My mom didn't have it easy with me and my siblings. If it was possible to have an artificial womb, it would probably reduce my reluctance significantly.
Dude, same
Same. Pregnancy and childbirth put us women on sensitive moment where we are dependant on others a lot. If the father is there to provide, it’s good but if we are left alone, we may suffer depression.
With artificial wombs we will be able to work and have no fear of being weaker.
Nobody has an "easy" time giving birth... just saying that shouldn't be the expectation. If having kids is like saving up for a new car, what does that do to the significance of an individual or the sanctity of life? Would it be easier to execute "bad" people because we could easily start over with a new life? 🤔
@@nashton9964 I think you're jumping several steps ahead here. What I will say is that I heard stories of women having a relatively easy pregnancy and birth, and some even enjoy a lot of the experience, but I doubt that would be me, and would easily and happily choose an artificial womb if it were a viable option.
@@SimplyMayaBeauty I am stepping ahead, you're right, and it's likely that much of this won't be affordable to most people since it's a 9 month hospital visit, but maybe it could come down in price significantly and not require hospital staff where middle income people could afford it in private institutions. To me, this makes sense for the woman who is tied to her work, but it makes me wonder if a woman that tied to her career should even have a child, or if it will always be in the background as a sort of status symbol being raised by a nanny. For the mother who is at risk for dying from childbirth complications this makes sense I suppose (and premature birth), and if this technology could be used for organ/tissue development (still need stem cells). At a certain point wouldn't a surrogate mother be just as comparable?
I mean, there is the whole aspect of epigenetics in the womb and the transfer of nutrient and immune information through the placenta which shape how the fetuses Gene's are expressed. Then there is the legal problems around what happens if an artificial womb doesnt bring a baby to full development, or who owns the baby or has the right to terminate if the parents die in an accident or something.
Also, if you did have a baby in an artificial womb, would you go see it before it was born? Would you play music for it outside the tank or are the caretakers expected to do that? I suppose they would probably integrate a monitoring system that has an app that could be downloaded to your phone, maybe record voice messages to your baby? I just think of so many possibilities outside of the supposed convenience of it all.
I am shocked by the number of friends I have who willingly go through pregnancy and opt for no painkillers during birth. This choice could also be something slowing progress. Also, the ability to prevent more childbirth related deaths than ever before could also be a major factor to slowing research. If you are more likely to survive, it feels like less of a pressing issue. I love the perspectives Cleo provided!
Cleo, working as a hospital chaplain, and father of 3 (one came via IVF), I have seen all sides of pregnancy and childbirth and professionally, and personally supporting people going through these times both very joyful and extremely painful. I want to say thank you for sharing this broader scientific story, as well as thank you for being vulnerable with us on your journey these last couple months. I can only imagine the emotional parts that you did not share with us. These are important questions. TV and Movie depictions of pregnancy and childbirth, gloss over the emotional toll they can put on families. Sometimes to the point that marriages break over the stress.
I wish you well as you continue to heal from surgery. I hope you have time to rest as you take in the vulnerability you have just shared. That alone can be very taxing.
Interesting topic! I appreciate your courage in sharing your personal situation and I am glad your surgery went well.
Cleo, you're honestly the best science communicator in the game right now. You know your stuff but make these tech issues incredibly human. Keep on keeping on! ❤️🖥️
She's good but there are better ones. Kyle Hill, Nativlang, Veritasium,...
@@RedHair651 real engineering, real science,
Sure, Cleo isn't the absolute best, but I'd place her in the company of those named in other replies without any hesitation whatsoever.
Presentation style is top notch. Especially in this video what comes through is the breadth and depth of research that the videos are built on.
And *That* *Enthusiasm* is **so** infectious (if anyone else particularly likes that then check out Alexis Dahl for a similar vibe).
agreed. I think Cleo is an amazing communicator, and a brave woman to share her health journey so publicly. I do however respectfully disagree on the prioritization for maximizing childbirth possibilities. There are currently 7.9 billion of us. While all suffering is horrible, and every death a tragedy, the numbers in this video do not make a good argument for prioritizing limited research funding to this aim, when more prevalent and preventable diseases (malaria, AIDS, diabetes, etc) are within research funding to eradicate.
My friend's pregancy might have triggered her fibromyalgia. She lives with excruciating pain every day. An artificial womb, if we had that technology, might have spared her that.
Artificial wombs should be an option, that's not to say it will be the option of choice for everyone. However those who want to opt for it should have the option available to them.
As long as it's not tax payer funded. Like most things are for womens convenience
I think it should be something you are screened and qualified for, like adoption. I see eugenics-like philosophies sprouting up from mass adoption of this technology which spooks me.
Even if such a future comes to be where artificial womb technology is available, I'm afraid that it would likely be financially out of reach for most people, as it's effectively a 9 month stay in a hospital of sorts, which is likely going to cost a bomb. But hey, one step at a time.
It will be available to rich ppl
@@nashton9964 I came looking for this. it's creepy to think of people abusing this in a myriad of ways
Literal tears...
When Cleo showed us her reaction to news like that, it really hit home with me. I had a DVT (Deep Vein Thrombosis) in my leg when I was 24 that was caused by taking birth control pills. The blood clot was from ankle to mid thigh. I couldn't bend my leg at the time. But I remember finally recovering and being told that if I were to ever become pregnant, I would be a high risk pregnancy. It's the scariest and sadest news I've ever been told in my life.
Thank you for sharing such a personal experience.
Were you in high risk group when it comes to birth control related DVT?
I completely agree that in an ideal world, it should be an option, especially to help more vulnerable children to survive. But I don’t personally have enough faith in humanity to believe we wont also use this technology as some sort of weapon or tool of oppression.
If it's safe, you forget that women will want this because you don't have to go through pregnancy and child birth.
It will absolutely be abused. Already, western nations and people complain about the "over population" of Asia and Africa. Yet, when you compare the carbon footprint and access to resources a family of 4 in America have to a family of 10 in lets say Sengal, it is the American family that are more of a detriment to the environment. The UN and the west would definitely use this as a way to control the population of other countries even when its the ruling countries that have created and perpetuate the issue we have with the environment to this day. Not to mention that, one of the main reason having children is unsafe is because our governments do not care about giving adequate healthcare that can prevent harm.
Have we weaponized cloning yet? What about in-vitro fertilization? It's good to be skeptical but please exercise reason and don't just use "faith".
@@GloomGaiGar It’s not just cloning. It may be abused for the wrong things. Who’s to say no one ever tried? It just isn’t spread to the public
@@GloomGaiGar I mean, we're already abusing surrogacy now. Rich people in developed countries paying poor women in less developed countries to get pregnant with their child, it's definitely a hotbed for abuse and exploitation. India even already banned commercial surrogacy since 2015.
5:19 Wage gap is average vs average. Women go for less paying jobs. It isn't either's fault.
Not all of us are lucky enough to have a working uterus. I would go for the artificial womb if it were affordable.
Most of these discussions seem to focus on the pre-birth consequences. However, it has been demonstrated that at some point babies become sensitive to outside stimuli, and apparently absorb some of it.
I can't help but think that after attempting it, we might discover that the baby constantly hearing Mom's voice or heartbeat while in the womb might be a lot more important to helping the baby transition to the outside world than we think.
I can't help but be reminded of all the children that had severe developmental issues because it wasn't understood that babies need a lot of physical touch to thrive. How many years will it take before developmental issues (if there are any) will become apparent, and who will be the ones to volunteer their children for this process before these problems have been discovered and fixed?
1) Intermediate technology, as per the case of premature babies, would mean that some of the impact would already be tested
2) As artificial womb technology become viable, it is likely that the first users would be mothers facing great risk, who would rather try having their fetus moved to an artificial womb than have an abortion (so in that case, that is where the risks can ethically be allowed)
3) In anticipation of this known fact, external stimuli would be a routine in the maintenance of fetuses in artificial wombs
I think that artificial womb should be an a medical option and should be developed. Probably there are plenty of ways to solve your underlined issues.
They could make it like a pouch like marsupial. That could give a more natural environment of course I see it the other way it could benefit "full term babies" too to have more womb like environments like when they sleep to give an example. Yes I do imagine there we'll be hiccups with such new tech.
*Also has benefits for all ages
Simulated heart beats and voice are easy to do, we need this technology to end male slavery!
…that would be easily replicated. With a mic the mother could wear 24/7. That is not a relevant issue.
As someone who had to go through IVF to realise my dream of being a mother, I can’t tell you how grateful I am for modern medicine. I wouldn’t have my beautiful daughter if it were not for people thinking outside the box/researching slightly unorthodox elements of human biology. We don’t want to live in the matrix but giving people the chance to become parents in new and innovative ways has the potential to truely change peoples lives. Cleo you perfectly balanced the science with the emotion on this one.
Well why don't you adopt. Maybe you abandoned the commitment you made to Goddess by doing so
You could have adopted
Overall I think Mother Mary answered your prayer. But remember, disenfranchising motherhood from child and mother is one of the most evil sins. By supporting it you are enabling child neglect. Modern women are girls trying to drop off motherhood on anything they can
@@myrddinterwilliger4762 Whenever I hear this comment, it is obviously from someone who knows very little about adoption. Adoption is a beautiful and wonderful thing, however it can cost MORE than IVF in a lot of cases. Many times one cycle of IVF can give you enough embryos for multiple pregnancies. So you could pay the cost one time and get 3-4 children from it. Adoption costs the same if not more for each child. Plus, the birth mother has the right to change their mind even after the birth of the child. You don't get that money back. You can sink tens of thousands of dollars into an adoption only to end up without a baby after all. It can also take years to be chosen by a family. I've known people on waiting lists for 2-3 years. Where IVF is potentially much faster. Once you start a cycle, you could be pregnant in a few weeks. Also with adoption, you miss out on the experience of being pregnant, feeling your baby kick, giving birth, and even nursing your baby afterwards. There is nothing wrong with wanting to have those experiences. They are beautiful and wonderful and it is a natural desire to have. As someone who is married and madly in love with my husband, I would love to have a sweet baby that's a part of each of us. And honestly, at the end of the day those who adopt should be people who want to adopt. Who feel called to adopt. And it is not for everyone, and that's okay. There are huge waiting lists to adopt. If a couple chooses not to, it's really fine. There are plenty who do feel called to it. And there are a lot of families who use fertility treatments so they can experience pregnancy and birth, but then choose to adopt later on which is also wonderful.
@@yessigabi12 Whenever I hear this comment, it is obviously from someone who knows very little about adoption. Adoption is a beautiful and wonderful thing, however it can cost MORE than IVF in a lot of cases. Many times one cycle of IVF can give you enough embryos for multiple pregnancies. So you could pay the cost one time and get 3-4 children from it. Adoption costs the same if not more for each child. Plus, the birth mother has the right to change their mind even after the birth of the child. You don't get that money back. You can sink tens of thousands of dollars into an adoption only to end up without a baby after all. It can also take years to be chosen by a family. I've known people on waiting lists for 2-3 years. Where IVF is potentially much faster. Once you start a cycle, you could be pregnant in a few weeks. Also with adoption, you miss out on the experience of being pregnant, feeling your baby kick, giving birth, and even nursing your baby afterwards. There is nothing wrong with wanting to have those experiences. They are beautiful and wonderful and it is a natural desire to have. As someone who is married and madly in love with my husband, I would love to have a sweet baby that's a part of each of us. And honestly, at the end of the day those who adopt should be people who want to adopt. Who feel called to adopt. And it is not for everyone, and that's okay. There are huge waiting lists to adopt. If a couple chooses not to, it's really fine. There are plenty who do feel called to it. And there are a lot of families who use fertility treatments so they can experience pregnancy and birth, but then choose to adopt later on which is also wonderful.
Hi Cleo 👋🏽 new to your channel and loving all the topics you’re researching and covering. Excited to follow along your journey :)
nobody cares about your dead channel with 8M purchased subs 😂
This sounds like humans aspire to play god.
This is a game changer! I always thought since my childhood, there had to be a painless way of having babies. I really like the way you put it - we went to the Moon, we should get a moon shot to this idea. Also, you must be getting this alot, but do you know that Kiera Knightley looks a lot like you, almost twins!!
Feeling degrees of pain is subjective, though. Some people have a high tolerance and some people are extremely sensitive to it. Plus, how much painlessness are you willing to achieve when different kinds of pain signal the mother's body to progress into active labor?
I had cysts on my ovaries (both sides) one was the size of a golf ball too and they also told me they might have to take my ovaries. My Health Care Professional also advised me that there was a possibility it was my birth control that was causing it as they'd found a link between birth control and ovarian cysts, evidently. And today I totally have a baby.
I agree with 100% of your video and hope your recovery was complete. My wife suffered horribly with pregnancy sickness with my daughter. "Morning sickness" is a euphemism covering up a whole range of experience of hormonally induced sickness, from none at all to life threatening constant nausea which completely interrupts normal living. We barely scraped through. Despite the risks of a repeat my wife was keen enough to give our daughter a sibling to risk it, and sadly the second time was even worse, we ended up with a midterm miscarriage - another subject insufficiently discussed. Given the risks and the outcome, if artificial wombs were a safe and proven option, it would have been a far safer and more viable option for us the second time.
I hear from my mum how much pain she had to go through during pregnancy and the after effects as well, i as a woman think artificial wombs are a great thing
As someone who had their uterus taken out because of illness I'd love the ability to use an artificial womb because its hard to get another woman to produce your baby and grow it for 9 months then just give it to you after pregnancy.
Those unable to have kids could really benefit from this.
A kid is not a necessity. If you can't have a baby then it means you were never meant to have one.
@@GirlDo3 thanks for your unwanted opinion
@@GirlDo3 I agree completely. So many see it as some sort of entitlement.
Besides, isn't 8 billion enough?
@@GirlDo3 The strongest urge in humanity is to find a mate and reproduce, to have a family. Some people choose not to, but they are the minority. There is nothing wrong or right about this as a choice.
If you think there should not be procedures to mend or circumvent when the body fails or is broken in its purpose, then you must also disagree with all of medicine. Do you disagree with organ transplants, cancer treatment, dialysis, pacemakers, artificial limbs, incubators? Or should people just accept that there is a part of their body that is failing and be ill, have a disability or die?
Why would you object and consider it simply to be fate when a part of your reproductive system is not working properly and be denied remedy for that, just like with any other part of the body that is not working properly?
@@GirlDo3 There are tons of things that aren't necessary. You don't necessarily need to have internet, nor good tasting food (just nutricius), eletricitity, running water, you don't necessarily need a degree, nor you need a fancy and beautiful house. We have those things because we like them and sometimes we make choises. I like fancy food, so I'll just find a cheap apartment or I prefer a big home in some beautiful area so I am okay in beeing frugal in other things.
Passing kidney stones is said to be the closest men ever come to experiencing the pain women go through in childbirth. Having passed one myself, I get the message, and I am so grateful that I had someone there for me when I couldn't understand why I was in such pain. She got me to the E/R, while I writhed in agony and sat my me the whole way. Sadly, she'd lost her ovaries to cysts. Adoption was the only option at that time. Is this some kind of weird irony or what?
I'm so sorry you had to go through that. As a mother of three, going on four, all born without medication of any kind, and having experienced several traumatic injuries that don't even come close to kidney stones, it's my strong opinion that we overrate the pain of childbirth. It can be painful, yes, but except in very rare cases the pain is intermittent and manageable with proper support. Also, everyone in the media makes it sound like the pushing and actual delivery is the absolute worst pain possible, but most women find pushing to be more like really hard work. Our bodies were designed to expand and stretch to allow a baby out. The ureters and urethra were not meant to pass anything but urine, and anyone who's had a UTI will attest that even urine can hurt terribly when conditions are wrong. I'm sorry your support person lost her ovaries. I was infertile for six years before conceiving my second child, and understand how precious every child is.
@@alicewilliams9301 Thank you so much for the sympathy. One thing about it is that I did not know what the pain was and could not predict that I would have come through it so easily once the pain was dealt with. As for my ex girlfriend, I still kind of lover her though I lost her to someone else. But, I do remember that her monthly cramps where pretty awful with that condition. Again, thanks for the comment.
@@alicewilliams9301 No you were lucky. Most women have very painful, body altering pregnancies.
@TesserId Have had two children, one with almost no pain relief and one having been given diamorphine, and kidney stones twice and, lithotripsy treatment. I've also had egg retrieval with no painkillers (very painful indeed, but doesnt last long) and a myleogram where dye is injected into your spine and you have horrific headache.
Diamorphine was awful. Felt ill and not in control...in retrospect I'd rather deal with the bad pain of childbirth and not feel the horrible out of control and struggling to focus that I had with the diamorphine, especially as things were going wrong with the labour.
Kidney stones is definitely up there with pain intensity to the point of vomiting...but my first childbirth was like that anyway.
Psychologically, child birth pain is different. You can focus on the waves and you know there will be an endpoint in the near future.
Kidney stones mess with that because you dont know when it might strike and how long or if it will pass, with the concerns around infection. From a pure pain perspective though, having had stones too large to pass on their own, I would say that it isnt worse than childbirth with no meds, but it certainly has a similar intensity!
@@shelleyphilcox4743 Oh my, so much to deal with. You have my sympathy. And yes on the vomiting. They brought out a bucket for me as I checked into the E/R.
As a guy, im going to be selfish and say that yeah, artificial wombs should be an option. I dont want to risk the loss of both/either my child or partner. And nobody talks about post pregnancy depression. I know a friend of mines wife tried to unalive herself and her child due to this. My mothers a tiny woman(4 ft5, less than 100lbs) risked her life to give birth to me.
And as a medstudent, I've seen too much ugly things , and I dont want her to risk it.
how are you being selfish? this is a respectable take.
@@Manvir. It was a strange word to use. But he might simply mean it would be in _men's_ interests as well not to have to worry about their wives losing their health or even lives.
Artificial wombs sound like great technology but present a slippery slope, especially with our governments and big tech
Im just curious: What would the slippery slope lead to? What would happen?
With something so serious, your personal humor is amazing 😂 Such a strong woman! 💪🏼
Thank you for telling your story, Cleo. That quote at the end of your story by Dr. John C. Fletcher, "There is an obligation to leave suffering when the means to do so are available, or in the absence of the means, to search for the means." is incredibly compelling!
Just want to say that as a guy, I've always wanted artificial wombs to exist, I find the arguments against their development and use (that the technology might be misused) ridiculous. I want this technology to exist because it could save lives and eliminate entirely a very risky and challenging aspect of billions of people's lives.
To those worried about misuse, I would point out that if you're afraid a life saving technology might be used by your government or leaders for evil, maybe you should be examining who we're allowing to BE our leaders in the first place, because that's not an issue with the technology, it's an issue with the people in charge that is driving your fear.
i mean we still invented nukes. Literal hammers og gods, but we still manage to live peacefully. i say invent wombs, but make sure to enforce strict laws . Like you can make artificial armies, population control can be done. And socially speaking, this would break the nuclear family structure.
Ridiculous?
How about a religious baby factory blasting sermons and gregorian chants at shelves of babies?
How about chinese baby factories producing 100 million perfect little nazi soldiers that daddy Hitler would be proud of?
How about pedo billionaires breeding themselves a stock of playthings? Not that they can't already, but it would sure be more convenient.
This shit needs to be controlled more strictly than the banking system and california weed farms. We are talking executing everyone involved. And that absolutely MUST be a globally enforced law.
We are not ready to deal with all this shit, but then again genetic engineering, designer, art-womb babies and AI just might be the solution to all of our problems, including not being prepared for it, eg; all the stupid people will be weeded out. But I wouldn't bank on it.
Its not going to be just misused. It has the potential to become chic, the in thing, and the cultural norm. It could and very well may take the route of the c-section. From sparingly, to expected. In one lifetime it could become the experts' medical recommendation.
They meddle with God's creation, they'll also meddle with genes. This means that you will get a baby that may have features you wouldn't know they have implanted or extracted... carry that story even further by including a use by date... everything they have invented was initially to better humanity but someone got a hold of it to change that. Let's speak about genetically produced food... a nightmare. Or how about the splitting of atoms that became THA BOMB! Let's not forget the invention of the cell phone... children work in mercury polluted environments so you can be in constant contact with your "friends". Disastrous as kid's are turning into controllable dumbbells nowadays. The list goes on and on and on... who needs scientists. They've proven to eff up the world on most parts.
No. Birth is risky like everything else. You really think they care about women's health?? They don't even build safe communities for mothers.
I am pro the option as woman can use IVF, but men does not have any options. I met a man with Down syndrome at a conference. He has studied at university, and even has a master degree. When he talked it became very obvious that all though he’s accomplishments he had not been able to find someone that could see past he’s Down syndrome and have children with. He yearned to be a father. This could help him and many other men in he’s position
Sorry my English is terrible (not my native language)
So excited to learn that this is a thing! I had such a difficult time in my pregnancies, and I know that some people have really extremely difficult times with pregnancy and birth. Even without other risk factors pregnancy and birth are really risky for the mother. Plus there are so many who are unable to carry a pregnancy for many different reasons. If it were a viable option it would be amazing
I am due in 5 weeks and I pass out randomly for an unknown reason. I would definitely support the availability of artificial wombs for the general population.
People have legs to move from one location to another and nobody is giving the stinky eye to vehicles/bicycles…
why suffer when technology could help us out 🤷🏽♀️?
I totally agree with you but a lot of people give the stinky eye to bicycles, trains, buses, trams etc.
Because giving governments the ability to birth new kids is a terrible idea. Why keep open minded people who don’t like your government when you can birth a new lot of brain washed children.
because the bond between the mother and baby cannot be replaced by technology….
@notyourmom what? It was an analogy which stated that just because cars are a form of transportation, it doesn't mean you can't use alternatives that suit you best.
The biggest concern is how it will affect the baby. We don’t know everything there is to know about development. Probably nutrients are given from the mother that we may not even know about yet that is necessary for important development.
Also, what the baby experiences from the mother might be extremely important to development as well.
I only see this as an extreme alternative for cases where the baby will die unless they are in an artificial womb.
We should prioritize our children first.
You know women have been fooled before about using something to help with pregnancy that ended up causing major problems for their children. For example, women used to take a drug that was marketed to them as safe and gets rid of nausea. It did get rid of nausea. But what they didn’t know was that it caused birth defects-missing limbs and such.
Anyways so that’s why prioritizing children first is how we should think.
Just found this. It hits on many levels. I nearly took myself and my mom out cause I was overdue and got stuck. It wouldn’t be the last time I got myself and other people in trouble because of my fat head. Glad you’re ok 🙂
This is exactly what I want to explain to my mother. Do I want biological kids? Yes! Do I want to risk my body and mental health! Heck no! No matter what anyone tells me pregnancy WILL affect my body and surely for the bad, I don’t want permanent damage if I can have the option to simply not. Why should we suffer 9 months if we can create the option to simply not? Why should we accept people just say “oh, she’s a woman, that’s her biological job”, we’re past that time, we have technology, I wish I could just lay an egg and leave it to grow like a turtle or something.
Amazing! We need more explainers about women's health. The world, teens, me... a 40 year old woman needs this education. You are an amazingly strong woman. Keep doing this great work. ❤❤❤
I just worry about the philosophical implications if this is ever adopted on mass. The significance of the individual in society, the sacredness of life in general. Like, does a baby in an artificial womb get terminated if the parents can't pay anymore? Who is held responsible for a unsuccessful birth, can the parents sue? Can non-married people create a child, like, could a single guy create a daughter because he just wants one?
@@nashton9964 Single men are already having biological children on their own but using the womb of a woman that they pay to carry their child. At least with the artificial womb a biological woman doesn't have to go through all of the risks and body changes, as well as emotional impact of carry a child and then having it taken from you.
@@trini8 Those are surrogate moms and if I remember right, usually it's because a rich couple can't conceive and dont want to adopt. I've also heard it's because the woman doesn't want to "spoil" her body with childbirth, gotta stay sexy I suppose. But yeah, it seems like an option already exists for an artificial womb in the form of another woman getting paid over a years salary that she's choosing to do as a job, there is risk but there is also risk in catching crab in Alaska. Also, I'm pretty sure there is a screening process for couples and at least the woman getting impregnated can choose.
The way you pose it makes it seem more like human trafficking where women are giving little money and then some dude swoops in to take the kid. Also, there is just the horror of getting raped, but in most states a woman can get rid of the fetus before it comes to term.
Even when I was a young teenage boy, as soon as I heard of the concept of artificial wombs, I started daydreaming of a future where that was the norm. I remember discussing this with my mum back than. My mum worried about the impact it would have on maternal love, but I quickly reminded her that (cis) fathers don't give birth.
Yeah but a mothers love is far stronger usually. The fathers grows after the child is born, the mothers is there right from the start of knowing one is pregnant - so yeah your mother does bring up an interesting question there - I guess with adopted children but is the bond there the same as that or a birthed child mmm deep down its not ones blood and genes and thus not carrying the same future, a compromise due to love and/or desire to have children at almost any cost. Having the pain of birth/caesarean and having the child removed from the body and being freed from carrying would psychologically bond more to mother and child (and don't forget breast feeding - would that be some thing redundant? - dont want those complications either? - just feed the new born powdered cows milk with a ton of sugar or some cloned thing), but artificial wombs, there would be none of those as you would be effectively rolling down to the local store and picking up the equivalent of a new puppy.......
@@rw-xf4cb People have surrogates now. This is surrogacy without the potential exploitation of women to do so. You still need genetic material to make a child, you can't just "roll into a store and pick out a puppy". I think your conclusions reduces the parental capabilities/love of fathers, infertile women/women with health complications, and LGBT parents everywhere.
Fathers don’t give birth. To suggest that in any way that they should, or in fact do, is insane.
@@rw-xf4cb no pet sore has a 9 month waiting period if you think people would do it just because its easy then they would probably adopt to skip the wait
@@evandentes4716 , my point is that if fathers can love their children without having to be pregnant or give birth, then surely mothers who don't get pregnant or give birth to their children are just as capable of feeling strong love for their children.
I've only ever heard ovarian cysts to be nothing other than excruciating - a repeated baseball bat to the gut. I can't imagine how it must feel to have them large enough to risk an ovarian torsion - you're an absolute trooper and a total badass. Really hope the surgery is the last you hear of it 💪
I like how child birth is always talked about as in this super awful thing that men dont understand and then you're even taking it a step furthet and saying that, that is why, "there is little to no research in this area" like it's just some issue that men dont bother with because meh it only effects women. Doing research and experiments on humans is very difficult look at things like thalidomide. There has been massive effort by science to make pregnancy safer and easier and there has been a lot of progress and it is still progressing to date. I dont like how we talk about pregnancy in this fashion that men could never understand pain like that 99% of workplace injuries and deaths are men, i broke my femur and 3 bones in my pelvis at work and im totally unconvinced that it would less painful than an average pregnancy. Men get injured and killed all the time constructing things necessary for society, women experience injuries and deaths from pregnancy. Work safety and pregnancy safety are all improving and have improved massively but the world isnt perfect and sometimes bad things happen while doing things that are necessary for society, i dont see how its specifically unique to pregnancy and women. And implying that since pregnancy is still painful that those male scientists are just neglecting women is an even further stretch.
There are gaps in research in males vs females but these gaps often exist for logical reasons for example initial drug trials are almost exclusively experimented on young healthy males, specifically because of the risk to female reproductive organs, but science is very aware of these gaps and efforts are being made to improve them.
You could've put "test tube babies" in the title for clickbait and you didn't, and I appreciate that.
Fantastic as always 😊
I have a two month old baby. I’ve definitely thought that there should be artificial wombs, for many reason, though I view it as something in multiple decades. Even an easy pregnancy is exhausting, difficult, and expensive.
If all these important life matters were easy like a vending machine it would alter your happiness and purpose. People don't do well when all they have to do is want something and it's there with no work or sacrifice all things become less treasured and ultimately meaningless. It has to be this way because of all the evil that exists around us.. we don't live in a perfect world and plenty of really bad people out there so being able to just push a button and get whatever you desire ... so to speak.... would and will make it so much worse.
@@just4now141 It would never be easy like a vending machine. I could foresee doctors and special technology people having to check on the fetus as it grows. The machine to hold the growing baby will have to be maintained, as well as the balance of nutrients. Pregnancy is difficult. Some women can’t get pregnant, and it could work for gay couples as well.
It’s also the case that we have loads of technology to make our lives easier that is normal, like plumbing, dishwashers, laundry machines. You could say gestating a baby is more important, but it can be so debilitating, and like I said, expensive. The important part of bringing a baby into the world is raising the baby well. I think a machine carrying a baby would lead to less trauma in the case of miscarriage, better control for issues of the fetus, optimal nutrition, etc. it would just be better.
You could still make your argument at the end of the day, but this technology would be developed regardless of if this view is true or not. IVF is and was also very controversial, it has helped so many people get pregnant that couldn’t get pregnant otherwise, or raise the chances of it.
This also wouldn’t be an easy option. I could foresee a lot of beuracracy behind this kind of technology, and it still being harder than just getting pregnant.
@@rachelle2227 I'd imagine the restrictions on who would be allowed to use the technology would be naturally quite strict, even more strict than adoption even. And it would probably be a bit expensive also but would have TONS of perks. Wouldnt be like a human right though as humans can already naturally reproduce and invitro would still be a thing.
@@GiRR007 Yeah, for a long time I think it would be very expensive. But being pregnant can be very expensive too. Ultrasounds, if you develop gestational diabetes or another pregnancy associated complication, seeing your ob regularly, time off work if you have to be on bed rest, etc. of course this machine would be expensive, but I imagine it would be like a long term rental kind of thing (well I guess it would be in a hospital setting, though in my fantasy world I imagine it being in my house). Doctors and what not would have to see the fetus, but I imagine that any issue would be easier to treat and diagnose. Giving birth is extremely expensive too. Out of pocket was $5K for my uncomplicated delivery, and really more like $10K, since we had to get the expensive version of our health insurance we wouldn’t have gotten otherwise. Giving ‘birth’ if a fetus is in one of these machines should be extremely straight forward, and I imagine that aspect would be less expensive. There shouldn’t have to be any premie babies, and NICU stays are very expensive. In a way the fetus would always be in the hospital, but the machine would tend to pretty much all its needs, other than like refilling it with nutrients and checking on it. Eventually, the price could go down just because it would likely be a lot safer for mom and baby than traditional pregnancy, and more people would eventually use it. Scale would bring the price down.
@@rachelle2227 I do wonder if there would be a point of having an in home birthing pod. It would seem like a waste of resources considering the pods would probably be reusable and rather large space wise so just using it to get a few kids and then never using it again would seem inefficient. Unless maybe perhaps these pods could be handed down to future generations so that they can also use them, or even have elderly people be able to raise a child well past their capability to actually give birth. Along with life extension technologys.
So in my imagination I think that you would have places like say hospitals that just have large numbers of these pods in a room somewhere that are in constant use.
Wow, what a very intimate insight into your personal life. I'm happy for you that surgery was successful.
I'm a man (obviously 🙂) and was present when my son was born more than 40 years ago. Before birth I was jealous of my wife's pregnancy. That changed over time as the pregnancy progressed and totally after I saw how much pain is involved. I had read about it and talked to mothers but you can not imagine what a woman is experiencing when the child is born and I still can't comprehend it because I never experienced it. My wife was in labor for more than 24 hours and it was tough on her, really tough.
It is a scary debate nonetheless. Images of The Matrix put fear into my mind too, but as you said, it gives women (couples) more options, true. And it would be the rescue for those that cannot have babies for whatever reason. It looks a bit like the discussion about cloning which is also a very loaded topic.
Thank you for another very well crafted video Cleo.
The "if it were men" thing is smth I totally agree with. I think you put it too lightly actually. It's complete and utter misogyny.
This video was literally incredible. It shifted my perspective from “I mean it would be nice but not necessary” to “omg we need this now where is the moonshot”
Especially like the end about ivf and how people wanted it banned, didn’t trust, etc. and now it’s a medical miracle. That’s how we should be treating this tech
I just fear what this will mean when it's adopted on a mass scale, will it diminish the importance of an individual life since the risk of creation is so low?
@bigfishh in the same way we dont value free handouts (straws, bags, cups), or how we appreciate things more if we have to work hard for it. I think there is a tight bond created when a mother goes through the trauma of having a baby, which is why that relationship is stronger than the father-child bond. It's also why soldiers who fought together and saved each others lives become some of the tightest knit groups in society, it's why gang initiation is so tough.
I think a child born from a chamber will be loved by a family, but I can also see that certain governments may want to use this technology in tandem with genetic enhancement trends to create more "worthwhile" classes of people. I also wonder if the people having a child this way, not because they cant conceive, but because its convenient, should even be having kids in the first place. If, say, a job is so important that you wouldn't want pregnancy to hinder it, how is having a child change anything? I just see neglected children being more attached to nannies than parents in that situation (gotta produce an heir I guess?).
@bigfishh Maybe an object was a bad analogy. Adopting a pet is a better one since generally people are looking for a certain breed or some quality that they love, plus pets are unique like kids, but they can't talk back (which has its ups and downs). I think you are right that if people want a child then they will try to do what's right for it, but intentions and actions are two different worlds and often we fail to live up to our intentions or realize a thing we believed we wanted wasn't what we thought it would be (insert tragedy).
Another aspect of this is the legal and payment around this. Now I'm not sure how surrogate moms work, as they are the closest analogy to this, but if a baby doeant come to term there it's a tragedy of biology, if it happens in an incubator then is a failure of technology and the institution that runs the program and machines. Would somebody pay up front? Pay as you go? A lump sum at the end? Perhaps a little of each and the you can sue depending on where the accident happened? What happens to an incubated fetus if the family dies in a crash and there is nobody around to take it? Is it terminated to make room for the next paying customer or is the extended family supposed to pay off the debt and take ownership of the child? I just think we will see some interesting conundrums around this whole practice outside the convenience of it all.
That is true to some extent but psychology has actually proven the father can be as much of a primary care giver as the mother it all depends on who offers more quality time to the child, and also the bit about ‘..people who choose to have a child through a synthetic womb because it’s convenient shouldn’t have children’ that’s like saying fathers and men should be stripped of the prospect of having children because they don’t have to go through the hardships of pregnancy and the extreme pain of labour and hence it’s more convenient for them to bring a child into this world than it is for a woman. I think the same with birth control and IVF this should be a choice
The last comment I think has some interesting points tbh, but for me personally I value dogs more than children and I would rather have a dog than a child and I definitely love dogs more than children even though they’re not biologically mine so it varies a lot
"If men were the ones who had to go through this, I feel like there would be more research going into artificial wombs...". Well, then they would no longer be *men*, would they?
Right?? 😂
@@Imzadi Just started watching her channel, which seemed great, and now I'm disappointed to find that she's one of those toxic epistemic dissidents
As more and more women struggle with infertility, one day this technology may be necessary to maintain our species
Yes. WHO announced 1person in 6 world wide is infertile.
Agenda you will possible wont have natural conceived birth in 200 years from now and everyone will be ok ofc they wont love children as much as it will be easy to get them just order them like they are products .
I foresee a baby manufacturing company in the making. Babies can be mass produced in the lab to produce human specimen for lab research work just like we do with lab rats. So, no I don't think it's a good option.
That's a thing that would be banned by the UN but will be still done by countries like china.
Thank you Cleo for sharing such a powerful and personal part of your story with us. On the topic of artificial wombs, I am all for expanding the options. There are women who want to have kids but can’t or doing so may harm them. Or the growing organ use for artificial wombs. Keep researching!
i wish this was already available. Pregnancy and childbirth are terrifying but society expects me to do it wtf
Yet I saw other mammals do it as if it is just a slight inconvenience.
Other mammals do it in completely natural environment, humans now have artificial environment and have high stress jobs
تو مجبور نیستی. انجامش نده.
Being able to transfer premie babies directly to an artificial womb would be so incredible
We will 100% see artificial wombs for humans in our lifetime.
This guy already did it with another animal. It will happen the first time an infertile rich person wants a baby without using another women. Also, this video was way too long as it did not explain any of existing artificial womb projects and their current status.
Nothing could make my want to give birth naturally. I really wish this could be a thing in my lifetime. But I doubt it will be.
*Edit:* I feel like the people that haven’t actually birthed children don't understand how horrible and lingering the effects are. Sayingnthing like ‘this is a distraction’ really downplays the danger, lasting changes, and pain of reproducing for women.
I have to say it. When things are made for men, it’s not a distraction, it’s a necessity. And this is actually something that can have a permanent positive effect on many women’s lives. Because I know much of young Gen z and young zennial women don’t want to give birth because they have access to more truths about the lasting negative effects of pregnancy and childbirth.
I've never wanted to be pregnant. It's a terrifying prospect. If this was an option. My life may have been different.
Do not be fooled so easily. This is not being done for the benefit of women, this is being done for men in a roundabout way.
This technology has only emerged when men are dressing up as caricatures of women and insisting science is not real.
It is a distraction if we start overlooking all the different ways we can make the natural process easier just because the resolution should be to completely skip natural pregnancy. This cannot bypass research in areas of pain reduction, risk management, development of safety structures to high risk communities around the world, a radical re-evaluation of parenthood and work security, and so forth. If it does, it's an obvious violation against a lot of women, not the straightforward noble solution the loudest of supporters seem to think it is. A lot of people still want to carry a child, and in that case the pregnancy itself, the physical process of developing and delivering a child, isn't the issue. The fear, as I see it, is that we see the current risks as inevitable and not something to work with, and therefore think the only possible means to solve them is to cancel the process altogether.
It's also a huge risk for equality if something like this becomes an excuse to maximizing profit: if pregnancy is seen as by default an economical hindrance and not something the general society should direct more resources to in order to _not_ make pregnancy a chosen economical punishment. Imagine having to choose not to carry a child yourself because your employer sees falling pregnant as just an excuse to take time off working. For a lot of people this is already the case, but is the problem actually not being able to work for some months or the fact that in much of the world businesses and states don't see parenthood equally important to the profit from working as much as possible? Just because you could choose not to carry the choice of carrying is seen as choosing the hardship that naturally follows, and not something that simply requires collective effort and support. You're choosing to suffer so you don't deserve support. In this hypothetical case, a usual pregnancy isn't necessary since we've come up with an alternative, so why waste resources to making it safer and easier? This is already the case in many types of health topics where the hardship and suffering is seen as a choice and an individual responsibility instead of uncontrollable human phenomena worthy of compensation.
So no, it's not only about patriarchal aim at belittling the needs of women by opposing artificial wombs, it's about the ways in which artificial wombs might end up belittling the needs of women and enforcing the current problems even further.
@@AammaK No. It’s not. Lots of women don’t like any part of the pregnancy process. The changes that I makes to there bodies are equal to quality of life. And there is nothing that can reduce the risks completely. there are much too many factors that go into any woman giving birth. There are also the fact surrounding the process of women carrying male DNA in there bodies that higher there risk of metal health problems like schizophrenia, depression and psychosis. Nor will you will ever eradicate the risk of tarring. There are a number of things that canYour properties don’t simply overrule others. No research is a distraction-you don’t get to make that choice or tell people what should matter most to the.
Nor do you get to put limitations on technological advancement that may help numerous people’s quality of life because you don’t think society will cope with the freedom to make those peoples lives better. Nobody is saying women can’t get pregnant. This would never eliminate pregnancy completely. There are too many accidental pregnancies for that to happen and it will remain a part of our lives until there is better birth control for men and women on the market.
Also. If society can’t research multiple things at a time. I’m uncertain why we even have 7+billion people on this planet. This may influence some of the research your mentioning, as this would have countless applications, as stated in the video, however no one is saying all scientific funding should go into this. Just that it should be researched also, as should anything that benefits a large group of peoples quality of life. From those hesitant of pregnancy, to those who cannot carry to term themselves.
It is sickening to here a woman disregard other women’s fears and valid and justifiable hesitations in the face of a process that is in fact rightful considered a burden to many women.
I beg you dont have kids. Adopt one instead
Hi, I'm a 26-year-old med student.
I got into med school a little late, I came from an unprivileged background and had to delay college for a little while, and pay for it all myself. Because of this, I now have at least another 7-10 years left of just education and residency, during which time having a child is pretty impossible. Even if you do somehow manage to do it, I promise you it's hell. Could you imagine being pregnant, standing on your feet, and leaning over someone while doing surgery for 18 hours a day, 100 hours a week? For me, something like this is the only way ill ever be able to have a child. I'm going to be in my late 30s to early 40s by the time I'm "done" with everything and a proper attending. I can either adopt, pay someone to carry a baby for me, or dont have one. those are kind of my choices.
p.s. ive also had an ovarian cystectomy. It was crazy hearing your story, basically the same. I had 2 smaller cysts, 1 very large. They weren't twisting or anything though. The surgery hurt like a bitch.
I think that’s the government and the education system faults who treat you like a working machine and deny your basic human needs as a woman
And by the time artificial womb’s become a thing companies are going to deny you the right to take a pregnancy leave, and force you to buy your baby from the baby store
If this thing happens humans are quite literally gonna be treated like working machines and baby’s are going treated like solid products
Artificial wombs are a nightmare fuel I don’t know why some people wants them to exist
As someone who had hyperemesis my entire first pregnancy and am now wanting another baby but terrified (also emotionally couldn't handle a surrogate personally) I would love to use an artificial womb! How cool would it be so make appointments to go and see your developing baby!
Do you ever think what this baby will grow to be as a adult.
You are going against Gods creation .Why God created man and woman?
Think twice before you make decisions?🙏😇
@@dragicaspehartoljenovic5978 have you considered that some people don't believe in God ? Particularly your God you believe in? So this type of question is irrelevant for a percentage of the world population.
@@dragicaspehartoljenovic5978 The baby will be like any other baby and grow into a human being like everyone else.
@@dariemperez6833 No I think those babies will have mental issues growing up. Imagine you were that baby and when you grow up you are told that you were born out of a machine and your parents made adjustments on you to get their “perfect” custom baby. For me, the line is crossed at the point where you can create a superhuman or any life. And some countries will use this for their benefit and create their super strong soldiers. And when it’s possible to control humans physical abilities then it will be possible to control their mind too even if it’s unbelievable now. And you can’t even prove me wrong because this hasn’t been (officially) used by anyone and there are no grown up humans who were born that way. This invention will be fatal in the future. The world clearly needs Jesus who died on the cross for everyone’s sins before it’s all over and I guess it won’t be a long time till that point.
@@iphone7850 You are mixing two different topics here.
Artificial wombs have nothing to do with genetic modifications. You can use artificial wombs without modifying the babies. You can have genetically modified babies implanted in a woman's womb. They are not co-related.
Re:"Imagine you were that baby, and when you grow up you are told that you were born out of a machine"
I can imagine it and I don't see any issue. Today we have babies born through invitro fertilization, the so-called "test tube babies". None of them has become crazy or whatever.
I wonder how an artificial womb would change the relationship between mother and child and how it would influence the child. I am not at all against an artificial womb! As a psychologist, it is a genuine and open question for me. We know what the mother experiences during pregnancy will influence the child. Bearing a life within yourself also creates a connection with the child. It is not necessarily a good connection if the pregnancy was traumatic or unwanted or during a difficult time (e.g., a life crisis or a war). It would be a deep and good connection if it was a happy pregnancy. How would an artificial womb influence the baby? Would the relationship between mother and baby suffer, or would it be better if no pain is involved? Would a child whose mother would have a painful pregnancy be happier in an artificial womb? Birth is a traumatic experience for the child. Would children be happier without this painful event of natural birth? How would be brain develop without the everyday stimuli in a mother's daily life? Could we create an artificial womb with all the necessary stimuli? Questions over questions. Seeing all the comments here, many of them written with a lot of pain, it is clear to me that an artificial womb is a necessity that should be developed. Of course, everything can be abused, but I do not see the dystopian future some are afraid of. Despite working with victims of violence for over forty years now, I am still an optimist and believe in the good of most people.
Such an important topic for women. Thanks Cleo
The baby hears and learns a lot and I'm sure benefits a lot from physical human contact and sensing the mother's heartbeat and other hormonal changes, external sounds like music, movement like in dancing or sport, etc.
We can simulate that or better yet make a mobile version. Phones used to be tethered to structures believe it or not.
@Nic Bai Because it won't be the same. The baby will probably die young or become a sociopath etc., because he/she didn't get what was needed in the vital stages of development.
@@The_New_Abnormal_World_Order You don't know that for sure. People have said the same things about IVF and other things involving pregnancy and they've been fine. There's no harm in trying.
No real proof of this but even if its true they could just add these things during the childs development.
@@The_New_Abnormal_World_Order No real proof of anything like that so it probably wont happen.
Always excited when I hear you drop a new vid 😍😍!!! Just amazing quality!
Ehm, I gave dislike, cause I havent learned almost anything in this video compare dto other videos Cleo do, I am sorry, but this didnt bring me much value, its like learning some celebrity married some random guy or something, that kind of information is absolutely futile to me.
Both personal and scientific, this is a fantastic video. Technology doesn't create dystopian futures, maniacs do.
I agree with the idea of giving people choice.
Love that ❤️
This is what youtube is for, Quality content. Well done Cleo
We've come this far as a species to even be able to do this kind of research. I think we've earned the right to show evolution the middle finger for dealing us a terrible hand with childbirth.
honestly, I think it's messed up there are people who want to ban this kind of thing. wanting to have kids shouldn't mean suffering if we can fix it.
Fun fact : in evolution what made us Inteligent Humans is the same that makes birth so painful, Big brains and big Skulls...
What grows out of those machine may look like human but it would be far off from humanity 🪺
Let the birds & bees 🐝 do their job
Pregnancy and childbirth are the main reasons I am 31 and choose to remain childless. Medical science keeps to catch UP with the strain childbearing puts on our bodies
Childfree not childless
@@pluraltest9242 are you telling me which words I should choose to use to describe myself?
Cleo, you may very well be one of our generations great jounalists and story tellers. Can’t remember the last time I was moved by a science-based youtube video. On behalf of humanity, please never stop telling stories.
My grandson was a preemie due to preeclampsia. He almost died, and the doctors told her any future pregnancies would almost certainly be the same outcome for her. This would 100% be awesome for moms who deal with dangerous pregnancies.............🤰🥰
Stop saying if men alot of women enjoying experience of pregnancy had a friend 2 weeks after given birth she had a bad tooth ache she said she preferred the birth than toothache the key in life of painful experience is not to think about the pain but the outcome of the pain and to have lots of support around that pain not to make less painful but yes more bearable.
Being an 18 year old kid watching this video leaves me obsoletely speechless. Many things in this video are just mind-blowing such as your bravery for talking about this topic and your own personal health matters. Thank you for sharing and most important giving different perspectives of this very meaningful topic for us, for humanity. Thank you for makin such high quality free content but thank you and congratulations specially for this video.❤❤
bro is weird
Yeah, I thought of artificial wombs more as a solution to abortion vs pro life, as well as for men who want to keep their child when the mother doesn’t.
Good point 👍🏼
To the second suggestion, sure. To the first... this literally solves the least important reason of the many, many reasons that cause people get abortions.
if it was men, you would just say to them "man up" and forget it. women were given rights to better themselves and society at large, and still, it is man's duty to "man up" and save the damsel. men and women are equal in intellect and capabilities (or so I am constantly told), so go ahead women! learn, research, do studies and experiments and alleviate your own suffering! do not be damsel in distress that waits when men will do all the work and save you from pain. i have seen thousands upon thousands of breast cancer or cervical cancer awareness campaigns. less than dozen for prostate cancer and none for penile or testicular cancer. and men still are at fault for your problems, while women do not give a f*** about ours.
Completely irrelevant to this video - you just saw an opportunity to whine and took it. Grow up
@@wft15 Completely relevant. Do better!
Just came back to this video to mention that only rich people will be able to afford this technology. So they'll keep getting better while everyone else suffers.