Hike along the Pymmes Brook - Tottenham Hale to Hadley Common
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- Опубликовано: 13 авг 2016
- Suburban London River Hike along the Pymmes Brook from Tottenham Hale to Hadley Common and Cockfosters via Tottenham Marshes, Edmonton, Tottenham, Palmers Green, Arnos Grove, and East Barnet.
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Delightful John. I grew up near the roundabout where the A10 crosses the North Circular in the 50's 60's and played along the banks of the brook. It had a more rural feel to it then, I can hardly recognise it now. The visitors centre in Pymmes park used to be where we were sent to have our teeth filled - usually by trainee dentists weather we needed it or not!
I have walked in my youth the length of Salmons brook from Montague road to Pymmes park under all the roads. A great adventure as a kid. My family were all originally from Edmonton. My Grandmother went to AOP club in the building you futured within Pymmes Park. You are also correct about the redirection of the river across the road along side the newish housing estate.
Wonderful! I lived in Palmers Green for a while from the mid 1970s and knew the river well. However it wasn't until I watched this video that I realised the interesting course it takes.
I cross that river and the river lea every single day form my home in Billet Road through wild marsh west and yes! there's always hundreds of men everywhere in that marsh at all times of day and night god knows why! I had three separate incidents in wild marsh west with deranged men that lurk in there, But Anyway just next to that burnt out car in your film is the old bus depot which is now a Build It Builders Merchants and behind that is a Metal fabricators then behind that is where my Truck Is stored.. Great seeing it covered in one your famous walks Thanks mate.
Love watching these walks and this one reminded me that, even by my own city’s standards , the area around our national stadium has been a visual disgrace. On one trip down to the cup final, winter snow had long melted and left behind it lumps of muck. This stuff lined the gutters , smothered the litter and cling like molten fruit bats to the underside of bridges. If I had to name one of the saddest and unloved urban landscapes this would be it. The epitome of a landscape drained of love. You’ve done an amazing job on this and. It looks to have improved, but only because of the new stadium and the surrounding office blocks and commercial centers. I’ve often thought that this is all deliberate and a way of encouraging us to go back north.
Lovely video. Oak hill park was one of my fav places. The willow trees just so magical next to the stream. Id bike ride from there to the viaduct and became enchanted with that view underneath like the endless corridors. . Oak hill park had lots of parakeets when i last went about 2yrs ago now. Very noisey but pretty. Understand they originally came from a filming set of the african queen where one escaped and bred. Amazing to watch these videos always look forward to your rambles. So many memories of my past in london.
Mate!, you're a legend. Your channel helps with reducing my blood pressure, keep them coming please! 👍
that's brilliant to hear Paul - and keeping my down is one of the reasons I started walking more and making these videos to make sure I kept it up. Hope you stay well
@@JohnRogersWalks Paul Railton Well said! Used to live up that way and would have seen the brook at different places but never occurred to me to walk the length of it but I would now. John I'm sure you inspire a lot of people to get out there and walk, more important now than ever in lockdown.
Another fine walk!
You covered a few miles this time John. Following along on the map, I was struggling to keep up with you.😁 Nice to follow the brook for it's entire course, right back to the source.👍👌😁
What a lovely long walk all around
Hiya John. Love the material You do. My Dad from Blackheath. I have learned so much about London from your perambulations. BTW on one walk you mentioned a bit of an info gap on an OS map. My sister works for OS in England. She says if anyone contacts them about missing or disjointed land info they will get on to investigating and correcting it sharpish. Cheers Andrew Le Gonidec, AK, NZ
I believe that 1930s ''secret agency building'' in the park was the old nhs clinic I used to go to as a child in the earlier part of the 60's.
The source is known as Jacks Lake, in Barnet. Jacks lake is fed by numerous small streams from the Hadley catchment area. We’ve just saved much of this from the councils Enfield Plan which wanted to develop it to cater for upwards of 12,000 houses.
An absolutely spell-binding film, John. I had no intention of watching all of it but it's so well done. I must watch the rest of your work now. Just to say, and I only know this because I walked past it many times, but at 21:10 looking through the cafe window northwards across Palmers Green junction, looking straight up from the letter D on the window pane, you can see some trees just the other side of some newly built white flats. The pymmes brook is visible here from Dead Man's Bridge. There was a road by this name in the 16th Century and perhaps a gibbet was placed there. Otherwise the naming is mysterious but it's ancient.
Thanks so much Martin - I think this is one of my favourite walks of the last couple of years. Thanks also for that note on Dead Man's Bridge
Hi John, the Pymms Brook in Silver Street / Pymms Park / North Middlesex Hospital was diverted circa as late as 1996/97 when they constructed the A406 North Circular Road underpass below Silver Street / Fore Street crossroads. I remember the construction work taking place.
Wonderful video as always. Great balance of the urban and natural landscape. There's an almost magical realist quality in the last quarter.
Thanks very much Renfro - yeah it was a walk that had everything and really didn't know what to expect at the source - grateful there was just enough light to take it in
You've done some good walks but that has to one of my favourites. Loved the ending, getting to the source just as it was getting dark.
thanks brY an - I think it's one of my favourites as well - has stayed with me ever since. Finally got round to writing the blog post about the walk the other day and it all came flooding back
Fascinating, John. Is the source lake fed by streams?
@@johnporter3659 Yes
A delightful video and channel. Subbed
Thanks Michael
Fascinating. Wonderful to see my local park featured here. Thank you.
Fascinating. I do a similar thing really. Only i draw and paint where you film. I lived in Walthamstow for years too.
Ohh my God love it . This was my childhood. I lived off Silver Street and spent many days of my youth in Pymmes Park and also a small park at 17:20 close to Silver Street. Built rope swings across brook and built rafts. Changed a lot now. Ohh btw my personal fav, the route of Ermine Street was Victoria Road , you were standing on it at 13;51 runs north /south on eastern boundary boundary of Pymmes Park. West of Fore Street,
That makes complete sense. I always wondered why Tottenham high street swings to the right into Fore Street when it's supposedly the site of the old roman road. Looking at the map it would follow straight on to victoria road. Brilliant!
Hi Martin, yeah one of my interests. If you trace straight line from Bulls Cross Enfield south . It makes sense. I dont have proof, but Roman archaeology has been discovered along the line, Winchester Road Edmonton, Lincoln Rd Bush Hill Park.I think Pymmes Park may well be part of what was once part of Roman estate of sorts. I know Roman archaeology ( clay roof tiles?) were found in Pymmes Brook further west close to what now is Millfield Arts Centre. Silver Street formed southern boundary and Church St , northern boundary.
fantastic notes - many thanks, definitely deserves further research on foot
i love these walks
Thank u...... You are giving mer so much inspiration to make this w0rld a better place..... Please l00k after th0se weary Bones.... 👆❤🏴☠️
What contrasts John, A406, Ikea and then an idyllic park at its source, the Pymmes Brook is another great find
When I was at primary school, one of our teachers decided to take us on a long walking trek following the route of the Anarchists of the 1909 Tottenham Outrage, from Tottenham all the way up to Hale End Road at the edge of Epping Forest. It was a fantastic history trip and I don't think in 21st century London, teachers would be allowed to take kids on a 10 mile trek, parents would be moaning about their kids missing their playstations !!
That's fantastic Dee - that teacher is a legend and you're right they'd never get away with it now
Our teachers took us to the old London docks just before it got redeveloped in early 80s. It was like a ghost town. That day out had a massive impact on me
Great Video! many Thanks
Lived in Broomfield Road, 50/60s. Played in pymms brook, tennis courts and allotments behind
Thanks once again John,i am catching up very randomly.
Fascinating John. Thank you,
Thanks for watching David
really good. thanks. well, I do live couple of houses away from this brook. in Palmers green. it takes huge amounts of rain water when we have heavy rain. once again very interesting history I'll subscribe to ur vids.
thanks Gazza
Hello John, great videos. I've been watching you a little while thinking he looks familiar. Then today you mentioned the O's. Are you in the west stand? I think this may be why you look familiar to me
Amazing video thank you
Bloomin excellent, John!!!
Thanks Llwyd
Great video
I really enjoy your Videos
+Dave Hossack thanks Dave
once again I see a great film covering some ground I know well ..Tottenham to Stonebridge lock (Tottenham marshes) .. but beyond I've heard of but never touched. The arches on the piccadilly line is know too.. I've realised that these films capture much more than a mini documentary. The music and commentary contribute alot .. Really it's the natural reflection of who we are (or something like that)
Thanks John - really appreciate that commentary - gives me a lot of pleasure to share these walks
Good stuff mate.. Maybe bump into u one day .
Fab video once again John, know parts of this area well myself, my Grandparents lived on the North-Circular in Arnos Grove and the Bounds Green Brook passed their house and joined with the Pymmes Brook, I was at a young age always fascinated by the confluence which seems to join underneath the Bowes Road..... Is there any possibilities of more explorations on video with Nick Papademitrou???? would love either a series on the London Streams or just interesting guides to the small towns which make London's Suburbs.
Thanks Paul - wonderful territory to explore. Would love to do more with Nick round here, not sure he's that keen though. Nick had a website on the rivers of Middlesex but I can't seem to find it. Have you checked out the radio series we did on Resonance FM? May be of interest - here's the podcasts + blogs etc. venturesintopography.wordpress.com/podcasts/
Thanks for the tour. I had a look as I often run across the brook as I live in Palmers Green and have done the more obvious sections (open sections) often just as a journey to somewhere else.
I wanted to listen to your resonance fm ventures in topography but couldn't get a download or play from the site you linked above :(
I'm thinking that Pymmes Brook, during the summer, would be shallow enough to walk up the stream bed itself...
Yes, of course that "visitor centre" is a front. It's actually UNIT HQ and the building stretches for several miles underground.
Love your videos! Can’t find one of the New River though, is this something you’ve done? Thank you 😊
that is called the clockhouse cafe were you was eating a bacon sandwich, i live quite nearby from there, in junction of green lanes and the NCR
that's the one John - nice cafe. I'm going back round there soon so will drop in again
11:40 - good shot before the new station went up.
12:42 - good shot before the new stadium went up.
22:08 - Trendy Trainers before it closed down.
Grand Cafe looks alright and really like the underwater shots - let me know if you ever get any underwater shots of Beverley Brook at Beverley Park. Cheers John.
thanks for those notes O O - that's a great resource. I should do some more underwater shots on future walks
Watching this old video and I almost didn't recognise you without a hat on.
IKEA is an old Swedish word, which roughly translates as "HELL".
@30:15 that limping fox was a difficult watch
Fascinating walk John. i quite like those forbidden, keep out areas - the sanctity of industrialisation. Its interesting to think about how, for many modern folk, the greater distances we are from the source of our daily necessities (fresh drinking water for example) the less we care about our own nearby environment. I can't understand how people can trash a stream, or quietly slip their industrial waste that way. It was great to see under teh surface - but sad. That river is virtually dead. Too much sewage run off I'd guess.
Regarding the chapel at 17:04. I would say it was a Methodist Church originally, by it's style and title. The Revelation of the Name Jehovah-Jireh, Genesis 22. v12-14. The meaning of this name is The Lord Who Provides. The name is literally, The Lord Who Sees, or The Lord Who Will See To It. This is what we long for when we have a need that is personal and special; One who will see to our needs and provide for us. This is what Jehovah-Jireh means; the Lord Who will see to it that my every need is met. cheers and greetings to all thinking walking people.
Not a veggie then John : -)
Where next? Have you ever fancied the Parkland Walk, John? I've never walked it - being a non-Londoner - but I reckon there are some great views over the rooftops.
Is that the one along the old train line to Ally Pally? Haven't done that the whole way for ages - could be a good call for a video - thanks
it must be about 10 years since I walked the whole thing - got a pamphlet about the original railway somewhere.
The Pymmes Park white building was a clinic in the 1950s and 60s.
I should let you know that I did some googling of "Brookhill House" @ 28:32 of this video, and discovered that a man by the name of Harry Lowerison lived there. He was a member of the Fabian Society, and the founder of the Ruskin School Home, "a turn of the century socialist educational experiment." He also wrote a book called "From Paleolith to Motorcar, or Heacham Tales."
Don't ask me why I was compelled to find all this out, just something about that house seemed like it had a story.
+Weldon Hunter that's brilliant research Weldon, many thanks indeed
new river be a good on to do u can pick it up at clissold park
the source at the end is known as jacks Lake. Not Far is Camlet Moat, also interesting and steeped in History.
interesting Video, thank you
many thanks - Camlet Moat is featured on my first London Loop video, a magical location
Jacks Lake, indeed it is. Used to go fishing there when i was a kid in the early 80's. And hand on my heart im sure that i actually never caught anything and we came to the conclusion that there were infact no fish in it!
Busyboy 42 < nice number busy boy 😉
ha! sounds a familiar story. now, however, there are many fish in there.
think this is 3 views of yous today. totally relaxed now
11:16 best reason to go into Ikea is to eat delicious swedish meatballs. Cheap and tasty. If you go into the Ikea in Elizabeth New Jersey USA you can watch the planes take off and land at Newark Airport.
And as many coffees as you like! Though in the USA I think free refills are quite common unlike here in England. Watching the runway action a great bonus!
Great videos... Whats the best way to get from Barking to Tilbury Marshes or Tilbury in general?
Thanks Kevin - the best way to get there is by train, I catch it from West Ham but it may go through Barking, I'm not entirely sure. Possibly a bit far to walk from Barking but you could start at Rainham Marshes. Best of luck
Hey Roger, was Nick a student at Middlesex University at their Ponders End campus ? He was studying Philosophy there around 1991 onwards ?
I think that’s correct Brian
I tried recording my walk along the Quaggy this weekend on the cheap go pro, but the sound is pretty much non-existant. How do you record your sound?
Just through the inbuilt mic on the camera but although it's a point-and-shoot the s120 has pretty good mics, much better than on my more expensive camera where I have to use an external mic. I think that GoPro is sealed in the case isn't it, meaning it'll be a bit muffled. If you have a smart phone you could record sound on that as you go
I live near the quaggy!
SO JOHN YOU AGREE THAT IT IS NOT A GOOD I < D / K > EA TO END YOUR WALK THERE !!!!!.
What is your view of the British Monarchy?
What's the barrier down the centre of the channel?
John - before I buy your book ‘This Other London’ 2013. Have you another more recent tome?
Thanks for your interest in my book Richard- This Other London is my only book at this stage, it hasn’t really aged in the last 7 years though
John Rogers Thank you
i reaLLY DO THINK THAT 80% of rivers are manmade from the old world, also the archtecture is wordewide the same
Who else looks the places up on Google Maps while watching?
Yep
Why the concrete barrier along the middle?!
Maybe it's to cut the deep water current ?
The pagans still make offerings, mostly plastic, bikes, bike parts, car parts, shopping trolleys, etc, etc.
Boy, you sure musta watched lotsa TV..that parrotting there muzak, _eh_
Lovely to be along with you, as ever. The horrendous belies the pastoral, in the sprawly outer viscera, of The London.
I was a big walker of London - night and day. I eschewed public transport, in favour of bike or foot.
Some very good camera angles, in here.
The psychological landscape, is precious.
OH, when it was an endless playground.
OH when its lights seduced my pre-reason.
Oh, when it was a labyrinth of women.
Oh when it was a playground for my children
OH when it spat me out,.
it hurts when the demolition leads to soul less - not even Brutalist - Ryvita buildings, as per all along York Way.
41 years of Thatcherism/Friedmanism have desolated much of the capital. places I wanted to point out to my kids - gawn.
More power to your knees and your essays and general documentation and reflection.
💯 thoroughly enjoyed the walk