Triangle Borea BR03 _(Z Reviews)_ Son, I am dissapoint.😟
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Speaker reviews in a bare concrete basement? Yeah this is legit.......
Just for the record, I watched this video a few months ago, saw this comment and totally agreed. I bought the speakers, and after hearing them, he couldn’t be more correct. The bass is finicky and hard to really feel down low and I absolutely cannot listen to them at high 70s dB levels for more than half an hour.
@@macstanley7101
I just purchased these speakers this month and they sound great. I don't even use a sub. I don't know what Zeos has going on here but this basement audition can't be right. I hadn't listened to cd's regularly in a longtime outside my car but listening on these speakers I hear detail I've never heard. Even clean vinyl records sound great with these speakers. The fact that the majority of people who purchased them are satisfied let's me know I made the right choice.
@@raygu1818 agreed with you.I have heard a demo. going to get a new pair soon
I had the same exact experience. And I wanted to love these because I love the way they look.
Sent them back and bought the Br02. Completely different speaker. Wayyyyyy better, imo.
Next:
Testing speakers in a car park.
Exactly. This basically is a car park.
I'm not sure how you can judge the sound of any speaker in a room like that. It appears as though it's an unfinished basement with no room treatment or drywall or anything really. Jmo
Concrete is way better than drywall acoustically, I can tell you that. Since the "ceiling" is fiberglass insulation, all it needs is acoustic foam on the adjacent walls and maybe a thicker carpet, and its good to go. It wont be visually pleasing, but it will be an acceptable environment acoustically. People fail to appreciate just how bad plywood subflooring and standard 5/8" sheetrock is for acoustics. Its lossy (allows sound, esp. low frequencies, to pass thru), it vibrates like hell, and is very non-linear in its response. Concrete has near infinite acoustic impedance, so the sound that does bounce off it is not altered at all, unlike sheetrock. Edit: Listening to the demo I can see what he is saying, and the problems there cant really be blamed on the room. Id be more inclined to have a close look at the rest of the setup first if it were me before condemning them in a review. But I dont think the room is the issue, here.
@@mysock351C I agree that concrete is better! My system in my basement, with both concrete walls and floor. However the concrete is sheathed with 1/2 inch drywall, and floors have wall to wall carpet. Ceiling is also finished in drywall. Sounds good to me. Bare concrete walls are too reflective.
@@tonydeniro284 Yeah I agree they do need _something_ which is why I said he could probably get away with acoustic foam. But as you say finishing it is ideal. I guess time will tell...
Bookshelves in an aircraft hangar don't work 😁
But what about if he's giving a positive review? Do you discount that as well? Because that would mean none of his speaker reviews, good or bad, are accurate.
hotdogs and hallways
he tested the small Elara there and it went fine, though... :-/
Until he turns it into something resembling a living room or something similar, he maybe should just test headphones or earphones 👍🎶
@@MrPhins That is correct. None of these, positive or negative, are valid due to the room. Anyone into audio knows the room he is in is not appropriate for what he is attempting.
Honestly Z, you don't need to pretend you know anything about sound! This review (?!) was garbage like a couple others I have seen from you.
I would not consider listening to anything in such a room! It tells you absolutely nothing about the speaker/amp/etc.
Not sure what you're talking about. I just replaced my old Paradigm Mini Monitors v2 with the Borea Br03. The Paradigms had loads of bass, crisp highs but laid back mids. The Br03s corrected any shortcomings that the Minis have. They have plenty of bass, the highs are smoother and the mids come forward right where they should be. You're doing folks a diservice.
I think you have hearing damage, every critical review of these speakers and my own opinion as well as this review have been incredibly similar about specific complaints. Mine are ridiculously fatiguing and the bass develops MILES beyond the speaker, just like he said. The highs are absolutely anything but smooth, but liking bright speakers is characteristic of people with minor hearing damage 😗😗
@@macstanley7101 I don't know what "every critical review" of these speakers you've read or seen but do simple RUclips search on them and the overwhelming majority have nothing but praise for them. You must have an equipment problem or your own hearing issues.
That room is horrible for auditioning speakers of that size. Given the almost universal praise from many I respect, I'd have to say your listening environment is lying to you.
Room audio treatment is so important. People underestimate it. We had a room and the sound guys went nuts. It even had treatment all over. Sounds guys pulling out frequencies and boosting others. Finally got someone that really knew his stuff and he treated the room. Bass traps and everything. You can pretty much run flat across the line now with the same setup and it sounds amazing. Night and day difference.
Dude. I love the Bro3's. I'm not sure what is going on with your setup. To have so much disdain for them is kinda strange.
I would guess different production runs, and the factory in China changing things up a bit or a shipment of bad capacitors.
This honestly makes me want to never trust his judgement again.
Completely agree. Mine needed time to open up. Maybe he didn't give them time.
He is literally using the worst amp possible for these.... these on tube or a warm AB amp are impressive
As a professional reviewer he should know this
@@ufarkingicehole I listen to them on an all digital amp and they sound fine.
I have a pair of BR03s connected to a vintage Marantz receiver and they sound amazing. Klipsch RP600Ms with the same amp sound significantly brighter than the Triangles to my ear.
@@pkdude5334 That's a great deal on the BR03s. The midrange on the RP600Ms seems a little weak to me too, and I feel like vocals just get lost in the noise with those speakers... The midrange is better on the BR03s. Vocals in particular sound very realistic and clear, and the imaging is great.
Come on Zeos, this in not the environment to test speakers, you should know this, speakers are tuned in anechoic chambers, you might as well grab a generator to test your speakers in the middle of field, it's genuinely ridiculous.
I will give you one peice of sound advice (pun intended), having a nice large space like that I would be looking to build a sound treated room down there for speaker testing, it would be pretty easy to construct and an interesting project for viewers, just use construction grade lumber for the frame and thick MDF hardboard with sound treatment attached internally.
EDIT - Unsubbed, been a long time subscriber but you've lost a lot of credibility with this review, you genuinely can't honestly believe that you can accurity review speakers in this type of environment surely?, it shows a lack of the most basic understanding of sound.
Have you tried the Comete EZ in this space to see if they sound as good as in your previous space?
good question
I dont have those, most Triangle speakers went back or got sold
More hours of break-in
@@ZReviews thought you said you liked the comete ez's
These are great speakers, BUT they are very, very revealing...so if you use bright equipment and a room without any treatment...(or walls?) yes, they may sound bright and sharp.They can be unforgiving of poor sources and are voiced for a normal listening room, with some room absortion wich is not the case here. In a normal room they can sound wonderful. These are very special speakers, please try and listening for yourself first before deciding. And Z, thanks for the reviews and please consider some changes in your room in order to evaluate audio gear as it is supposed to play. As it is, I doubt anything can sound good in that open spaced basement.
I am not 100 % convinced that a huge basement is a perfect spot for testing speakers. Maybe if you heared them in your old apartment, you would like them. And there would be more bass. I would make a small „room“ in your basement with walls specific for testing speakers
Rolling mobile walls are in the works to create reflection OR absorbsion points around this area. But I have heard half a dozen speakers here and ones I had in my apartment sounded as good or better, this is just the luck of the draw with the 2 spaces I used them?
@@ZReviews have you tested the jamo 803 in the basement? they seem similar - front port, pretty bright
I have them for 8 months now, initially with a IOTAVX S3 and now with a topping E30 DAC to IOTAVX P3. Been getting good bass and never had issues with treble... As you said, their strength is tone and imaging, which is what I look for in a speaker. I think there are three possibilities. Your room is too big for them, you might have gotten a sample with a fault, or you simply don't suit your taste.
Jay Torr I had the same thing happen with ADAM T5 just got a bad set
Jay Torr room is too big for them
Z WHY wouldn’t you swap amps?
@@dilbyjones see sound demo
Z Reviews it’s all good. But I’m thinking maybe a Chi-fi class A within our price range would be amazing sub 500?
11:15 face reveal. Zeos, you beauty.
15:18 also
There is already a camera pointed directly at Zeos face. Zeos asked for the guy to his blur his face, but he was a dick. I'm not going to link ya to it... it actually popped up in my recommended.
I have the bro3s....love them!!! They are in a small room with wood floors! Your basement....really??? Move them somewhere else....
This is the most stupid... like... what's wrong is your room. The speakers will perform AWFUL in a room like that. Any! The bass develops where it develops due to the room. Like... whaaat, what what!?
First of all you're playing off of a concrete wall you probably need some acoustic treatment. You're the only reviewer on this speaker that says it has no bass everybody else says it has very very good bass and plenty of it. I have to completely disagree with your review.
Your sound is getting completely lost in that dungeon that you're testing stuff in it way too big and you're bouncing off of a solid concrete wall invest in some wall treatments.
I agree 100% with your triangle bro 2 review you were spot on but you weren't reviewing them in a dungeon made of concrete.
I'd be shocked if ANYTHING sounded good in that space. Also, I've never had standmounters sound good at anything above 25-26" of stand height.
iam confused as you loved and raved the bro02... only thing that changed is your environment so huge and concrete..maybe you got. a lemon that can happen
Maybe it's the room. Any plans of acoustic treatments? Makes huge difference....Cheers to more reviews. Traditional speakers easier to match with subwoofers.
The roof is all soft and sound deadening
I have these speakers using the IOTAVX SA3 amp. It is an A\B amp. It sounds great! What you are describing is the complete opposite of the character for these speakers. They have strong bass and smooth treble. This is also confirmed by other reviewers. It's almost as if you have the speaker wires crossed! Seriously.
he has already reviewed many Triangle products in the past. he knows and loves Triangle's sound signature, either upper in their product line-up (Comete EZ (=BRO3+new trebble-horn), Signature Thetas), or under/besides (BR02, Elara...)... something may be wrong somewhere... if it's the room, I guess he would have noticed earlier. maybe a whole stack of Triangles is f* up from the Chinese factory... or maybe Z has spent too much time listening to mono in his living - echo-chamber - room ^^?!
@@francoisbouchet9907 Ya I agree, something is not right. The speakers don't sound bad as he describes. Could be a bad batch.
@@daledrolet1332 do you like your Boreas with the SA3? ZFidelity has recommended this pairing multiple times.. I was thinking of investing to this to "upgrade" my BRO2 (they are currently fed by a tiny Class-D LoxjieA10)
@@francoisbouchet9907 Hello Francois. Yes I purchased the speakers and the IOTA SA3 on the same recommendation From Zero Fidelity and let me tell you, it is really good! The Iota is a very good amp and matches well with the Triangle. I have not heard the BRO2 but I imagine it shares the same signature sound as the BRO3.
Let me know any other questions you have about the AMP.
I second this comment ! I have them and about A dozen amps 😃paired with the SA3 is budget love something is wrong
Borea 3 are the best speakers I've heard and owned. I've owned Klipsch, Monitor Audio, B&W, Elacs, Jbl, Bose, lots more. Klipsch are fatiguing, Monitor Audio good, Elacs were boring - had multiple models, Bose sounded good, but Triangles better soundstage, imaging, more realistic highs and mids, sounded like a live band in the room.
Hi. My BR03 are à real upgrade compare to My KLIPSCH RP600M. A lot more transparency and dynamic. Better mids and Highs but the RP600M have a « litlte » more base.
The BOREA BR03 are VERY REVEALING. Be carefull when partering amps or cables...
A truly wonderful speaker. The very best under 600/800€. (And i had a lot...)
Man cables don't matter at all. You can literally use a coat hanger and it will sound as good as expensive cables.
@@NeapolitanApe Cables don't matter on cheap systems because the resolution isn't there. These speakers are around the price where they start making a difference
Calling the Jamo 803 amaze balls return and this face bleeding terrible. I owned both, these Br03's are by far the better speaker and dont have face bleeding treble they are great. Find the problem and do another run.
After a bit too much Christmas cheer (alcohol), and a selection of festive cheer, I rightfully disagree with your review.
My old speakers were Mordaunt Short ms902s and as soon as a reasonable volume was reached the bass collapsed and the metal dome tweeters decided to literally kill you. The Bro3's not only reach this with authority, but bass output that will surprise you; and yet it will still have excursion to spare after!
Yes, the Bro3's have a annoying hump at the mid treble which not only add detail but brightness, but the simple invention of modern eq fixes it by lowering around 6khz by a decibel or so. Even so the soft dome is a saving grace.
They have their flaws, but the sheer volume and quality you get for the price vastly outweighs the cons. No cheap metal dome with a 5 1/4" midrange driver can come close.
The BR03's are great and I wish more people knew about them. Z doesn't always get it right, no big.
NOTE: These are +/-3dB @ 46Hz, not sure where you're getting -9dB.
The bass develops mike MILES in front of the speaker if you aren’t in a small room. I have the exact same issue as him in my larger room, it makes the speakers unlistenable for me. Its directionality in terms of bass creates so many dead zones in a large room, and because of that, the speakers are INCREDIBLY bright almost anywhere but the precise sweet spot in a small room.
@@macstanley7101 Low frequencies are omnidirectional, what you describe is a problem with the acoustics of the space. You really need to properly treat a room to get the real performance of a speaker.
Every review I saw about this says the opposite, so you must be a genius. Just watch the comments below and ask yourself, am I wrong?
I have mine connected to the class d 'billie' amp and they offer great bass. I have a room on the smaller side but still, compared to my previous ls50s the bros are incredibly warm and non fatiguing
Same here, I have tested the BRO3's and the LS50's on my Cambdrige audio cxa80. The Borea sound warm and fuller than the LS50
@@bennyp8212 I have the Elac B6.2s and I just recently bought the LS50s new for a price I couldn't resist. They are definitely a more "high energy" speaker compared to my Elacs. I haven't had the LS50s for long though, but they are more on the forward side. I'm hesitant to say bright, but the details of the recording really jump out at you. The build quality is extraordinary.
@@brydon10 Did you hear the kef r3 or r300 already? If not, they are worth a try. They sound great with more weight and not that bright as the ls50
@@bennyp8212 I haven't heard those no. That R3 is very expensive. I was mainly interested in the LS50 due to their compact size and sale price ($898 CAD new). I'm using them with an SVS SB-1000, but even the bass on their own without the subwoofer is impressive in my room.
That room is a nightmare. Listen to them in another room and get back to us. You are in a cavern down there. I'd change rooms for good if I were you. No joke.
But he said he did, didn't you watch the video
I have the BR03 and do not find bass lacking in my room. I do use an SVS SB1000 sub for deep bass. Rotel RA-12 amp. After having them a few months, I really like them
All I can do is set them up in different parts of my house with different amps and test.
@ Mike I’ve got the BRO3 with an SVS SB 1000 myself with a Yamaha A-S801, I absolutely love this little system. They’ve got to be setup properly, I’ve only got mine a foot off the wall and about 6 feet apart, not super ideal, yet they image real well and the soundstage on certain tracks fills my 15 foot by 13 foot room and the SB 1000 blends quite nice set at 60 hZ and 3 on gain.
@@ZReviews why not that front smaller room that you did for home theater in your original tool.
Its 2022 now and I'm looking for speakers and stumbled on this video the same day I found out I am low iron. Weird. Cool cat though. Cant seem to find that turntable anywhere.
Your room is completely wrong. As an acoustician I can tell you that your review is not helpful and the room makes the most difference.
Glad i sold my elac debut 6.2s for the bro3s. Sound great in my bedroom.
Would you mind mention pairing and main differences with 6.2 ? Im on B6.2 heading Bro03. Thanks
Commenting to be updated as well!
@@roquesoprano913 i had the elacs and now bro3s running off an emotiva 100watt integrated amp...the elacs are 6 ohm vs bro3s are 8 ohm, so technically my amp put out a little more power with the elacs.however i found the volume needed to be at a higher level with the elacs due to the "clearer" sound on the bro3s. The triangles sound is more "present and forward" in the midrange.. NOT BRIGHT. In my opinion, tweeters make speakers bright, these arent that. Percussion realism shines on the bro3s. The elacs were great, i just prefer the bro3s more upfront sounding midrange.
@@baconbitz4909 Thank you so much for your dedicated answer👍👍👍⭐️
Looks like the mid/bass drivers simply don't work in that space for whatever reason, so it's just treble? Would be interesting to see what happens if you put BR02 in there.
Have to say that your room is so unlike most people's, so 1) you might find issues that's specific to yours, and 2) you might miss issues that might happen in ordinary rooms.
I am lacking on choice. Its either up in the big S P A C E or the dead-ass basement. I guess I could use the side SE12 room but thats still not as good the basement with many other speakers. Luck of the draw?
Yeah would be very interesting to try the 02’s again down there. They both have same tweeter and crossover yeah?
Many people have their home theaters/listening rooms in their basement. While the basement would be finished, "dry walled, painted, with vinyl plank flooring, some will have tiles, others carpeting, etc", they would also be wide open large living spaces with a low ceiling and hard surfaces everywhere. So these are definitely in a real world listening environment.
He's also reviewed other BS speakers in this space that worked very well...
@@ZReviews Put some dry wall up, some laminate flooring, etc and finish the basement. That basement's gonna rock!
Yo Zeos. Everybody that has these speakers got nothing but good thhings to say about them. And the reviews on youtube are all good as well. A lot of the reviewers are even putting them up as best all around speaker. Best speaker to get started in to hifi.
I think the problem is on your end dude. Maybe amplifier or dac combo or something.
telling a cat to stay ?? that's a dog dude...........cat's do what the fuck they want............
My 2c: I've been A/B testing the Kef Q150s, JBL 530 Studios (which I've had and enjoyed all year, thanks Zeos), and the BRO 3s for the past couple weeks... and to my ear the BRO3s are the hands down winner. I prefer them over the 530s so much that I almost cancelled my Studio 570 order... Almost.
very interesting! and how did you like your JBL studio 570?? more than the BR03? very curious to know!
@@themastroiannis I still quite like them both. I feel like the BRO3 is a -bit- better in terms of tone. I use them in separate rooms now.
A few observations: the bass extension of the 570s is definitely deeper than the BRO3s, enough that one could more easily get away without using a sub, where I would definitely recommend one with the BRO3s if you want anything bass-heavy. I still use subs with my 570s though. The height of the 570s is definitely awkward and yet I would be hesitant to use stands with them as they are very front heavy and will tip forward more easily than you might expect. Their footprint also makes using them with most speaker stands out of the question.
That said, I'm very happy with the 570's in general and prefer them for high loudness applications like EDM at near-club volume levels.
@@michaelgraham4042 Hey! thanks so much for your response. really needed some input from someone who owned both! I think, after reading you, i will go with the BR03. will be used on a second stereo arrangement. i don't use a sub and will be used mostly for jazz ,folk, and folk rock; your "tone" comment is exactly what i need to know. imaging/depth is perhaps better with the BR03 as well? thanks!
@@themastroiannis For sure! It's subjective of course, but from my experience with them I think you can't go wrong with the Triangles for that application.
@@michaelgraham4042 Awesome! thanks again!
Zeos , the problem is your concrete wall and the vast emptiness of you space, not the BR03 ! Too much reverberation, bright echo with concrete wall, you need to cover with acoustic panel all around your basement and cover up your metal beams as well. Some speaker will react differently, more then others, with Echo places. I used to Own the BR02 , now i have the Br03 and believe me the sound exactly the same, just the BR03 have a little more bass and a little bit louder. Put back the Br02 and the Comete in your basement and they will not sound as good as in your old living room. Triangle they work wonderful in good acoustic environnement. Hope it help, have a nice day.
A common problem in modern living rooms: Hard, concrete walls, rectangular shape and sparsely furnished. The perfect environment for reverberation, one of the biggest obstacles to audiophile sound!
Reverberation
When sound waves hit the boundaries of a room, they are - depending on the material of the wall - partially reflected. This can cause a sound wave to bounce many times between two parallel walls, resulting in an echo. This reverberation is generally bad since it distorts the original sound and significantly reduces the sound fidelity/clarity. Bass becomes dominant, details are swallowed and voices are harder to understand. That’s why reducing the reverberation time is one of the main goals when optimizing a room.
Each material absorbs differently, Generally, the harder the material, the less energy/sound is absorbed and the more is reflected.blog.keepcoding.ch/?p=715
Had these for about four months and ran into the same problem. Tried different equipment and rooms to no avail. They got tone right to my ears but eventually the tweeter got tiring and they didn't like to be turned up. Hmmm..I really wanted to love them. I should have tried the 2's
Tharbamer didn't like them much either. Can't win over everyone. But yeah, he's going to have to make a speaker room down there in the abyss.
i have br 03 and they sound great that room its just to big and concret?
Hair balls in front base ports is obviously the problem. You’re welcome. Courageous review though. Keep it up
Been messing with my set to compare with was he found.
*CONTEXT*
Room : 12 X 14 basically untreated
Speaker : 5 1/2' to 6' apart and 2' from the back wall
DAC : SMSL SU-8 ( using this to bypass the integrated amps DAC )
Amp : IOTAVX SA3/PA3 in monoblock
Amp does have tone controls, so I did drop the treble down by 2 and did like the difference. I have no issues with the bass in my room other than to get the most out of it I have to be about 10' away from the speakers, which is putting me dang near the opposing wall. Tried to move the speakers closer to the wall (about 18" from the wall) and the bass starts to get mushy but lets me get closer in by a lil bit.
Not sure why Z gets the sound he's getting ( and I fully believe and trust it as accurate in his setting ) but something is amiss. I have to think there is something off with the speakers he got, bad batch/wrong crossovers maybe ?
I guess I'm just a bit sad he no like my babies.
Shame on you Z for making me sad.
SHAME 🔔 SHAME 🔔 SHAME 🔔 SHAME 🔔
I tried two sets and two different amps. Hooked to my Phase Linear 400 just to make sure.
Has anyone tried these on some tubes? Perhaps that would soften them up some.
Consider having an ear test. It’s also your room.
Take Chewbacca to the vet and get a blood panel. Mature pets can have other things affecting their mannerisms. If nothing else, you will have a baseline to measure future tests against.
I had these for a bit and couldn't get them to work in my room. In fact, my experience lines up with yours. My old Klipsches were actually smoother. Funny, even though I had the same reaction as you, my room was much smaller than your basement. I'm thinking the BRO3's are really room dependant.
I can't see how any speakers would sound good in this space, sorry Zeos. And Class D only? Triangles usually sound better with tubes.
My cat (similar race to choobers) likes to lick the plastic wrapping from toilet paper, and only from toilet paper. Cats are weird man.
The room must be the problem here. It can’t be that any other reviewer and blog praises them as one of the best speakers under 1K and you’re not liking them at all
Maybe it's the combination with his class D monoblocks.
@@BunnyslippersEUC yeah this could also cause some problems. He definitely needs more amps aside from his PA class d bullshit
@@juliangst I had the same exact reaction and problems with my Bro3's as Z, yet I was in a much smaller room and using the IOTAVX stack. I think these more room dependant than people think.
@@TheHammerofDissidence interesting that generic looking two ways are that picky on rooms
@@juliangst it's my only guess as to why a few of us are experiencing the same problem. Maybe it's something else, I'm not sure. Enough people adore these that I don't think it's something inherent within the speaker causing the problems.
So, basically where we're at is that every bad review Z gives, people that own the product are going to blame the room acoustics. But if he gives a good review to the product you own his ears are perfectly fine and the room is irrelevant. Got it. Guys, seriously, don't take it so personally. You don't have to defend your purchase by slinging insults.
Finally a bad review I almost considered unsubscribing
I try to love everything. Music is fun and everyone has a budget. I respect multiple tastes. But disappointment or pain I cannot tolerate.
Been waiting for a review on this from you. Personally found the br02 to sound better than the br03. Don’t always believe in every review you see especially when it comes to sound.
Finally. I heard a lot of people saying that the BR03 were a little less balanced than the Elac Reference, but less boring too.
Instead..I don't know why there was so much hype.
why are the speakers stand on top of the subs?
I have The Bro 3 with a pop the hood video ,and I have the EZ comete also and they both sound great with me Yamaha AS-1100 but I have a room that is diffused 😆check out me sound demo Triangle reccomends 6.5 feet apart 3 foot from back wall and 2 foot from sides walls at least.
Zeos the bro3 wang in me room I have heard others say both ways also but its alot to do with your room 😃In my review i mentioned nearfield room to small/mid room you put those speakers in you master bedroom and youll be like that dam Bargain File 😃
I'm not being critical Z, but it's kind of interesting and strange, knowing that your business and interests involves audio, yet you have picked a very nice, but sonically challenging place to move into.
Although it's also kind of refreshing, as many people have great looking homes with pretty poor room acoustics and not that great / suitable for HiFi. So will be interesting to see how things develop.
Can’t wait for the Triangle fanboys to show and claim you need $10k worth of room treatment and a $6k amp to drive them to hit the “sweet spot”😂
I AM THE TRIANGLE FANBOY!!
Please, give them justice and re-review them in a normal sized room. You have so much loss of bass in such a big room or rather, basement.
Take Chewbacca for a check up at your vet. She may have an issue.
Yep - Totally disagree with this review
With this review, you must call in to question Z's ears. Several other reviews from people who's ears I trust gave these very good reviews.
Use a Tube Pre-AMP/DAC and a class A/B AMP to see if it gets under control.
I was trying to "burn in" a pair of these (black ones with a "walnut" wrap) and had a similar response. Tons of treble but the midrange is mud. It's like you can hear so many details that it all turns to mush. They seem to have left out the music. I tried various amps, too -- new (Jolida tube FX10) and vintage (Marantz 2275, McIntosh C28/MC 2505) -- but they were too shrill AND murky. How is that possible? Another simile: It's like those 3-D posters where you're supposed to let your eyes go out of focus until the 3-D image appears and you focus on that instead of the surface. These speakers are still looking at that busy surface and aren't resolving a dimensional image. I swapped in some slightly smaller ELAC Uni-Fi 2.0 B52s and some Wharfedale 225s and they immediately gave me a much richer, fuller (and deeper) sound. Maybe I just prefer a warmer sound.
I'll keep the BR03s around a little while longer and see if they loosen up a little. But I was perplexed after my first few hours of playing around with them, which is when I discovered your review. I guess I'm glad it's not just me.
PS. Maybe I'll try switching DACs, too. I'm using a Schiit Multibit, but I could try an iFi Zen, which is a little more airy.
I have noticed since having my pair, it took a while to break in like literally 2 weeks straight. It did help using the grills during the time of Break-In. My review will be in a couple weeks.
One of those situations where you know something’s wrong but just don’t what it is, and end up checking your speaker cables like 5 times to make sure you didn’t wire them out of phase. Ran across a similar feeling when switching amps and discovered that the stereo/mono switch on the back was kinda in the middle.
zeos you need to listen to speakers in a different room...that basement doesnt help at all to judge properly a speaker...
You need to cover those concrete walls with some panels
I think the problem is there not upside down. 😛 And what’s with the wig?
broken in?
I don't believe in break in, I got these and they sounded good immediately.
My gosh, let the kitty lick what it wants. You are so controlling,
Z i think this is not the speakers but your setup mate.... i heard these on a good intergraded and worked fine... soooooo
I would also love to see a good quallity amp setup etc etc for actual speaker tests.
I know you think the bluetooth and a800 and weird pre amp are good but...... im sorry but as an high end audiophile this hurts to watch....
After all its your choice but you have the recourses and connections to make it happend so why not?
Don't use MP3, Class D, BT for demos, he should use a better phono than XPS-1, a TC-750 would do fine
Seriously man .. do you really, really consider this room to be the perfect place for reviewing audiophile gear ?!?! .. this room has everything an audiophile must avoid ! And obviously, if they sound harsh, you should test those speakers with different cables and electronics .. it is called system matching and I'm afraid you don't even know that.
Oh he knows. Z doesn't do audiophile reviews. He does yammering impressionistic and highly opinionated reviews that reflect real world listening amongst the clutter of life. Much of what he does is in weeks before the yammering and the yammering often doesn't cover all he does. Welcome. Now you know.
@@therealchickentender That's your opinion .. if it's his way of reviewing, well, he is free .. but I'm gonna say it again : you can't achieve a really good listening experience in a room like this.
Dont expect bookshelf speakers to give you bass coming out from floor stand speakers. Guess your basement does not acoustic treatment? Almost all reviewers say this Triangle BR03 is good. I am going to get a new pair soon.
YES!! Thank you for a negative review!! I barely watch anyone's reviews anymore because they're all so GODDAMN POSITIVE. ALL. THE. TIME
Audio reviews are so annoying now, and I'm so relieved to see something truly critical. While there is a lot of subjectivity in audio, the reality is there's equipment which is average, above average, and below average. There's outstanding equipment and terrible equipment. But it is impossible to know what's what from the vast majority of reviews, and that's a damn shame.
I've started following Amir from AudioScienceReview, and his content is really great. He's willing to both shower praise and bring down the hammer. He backs his reviews with subjective and objective analysis, and while I don't always agree with his conclusions, I think his content is so much more valuable than what the status quo offers. I'm so tired of hearing gushing reviews and "this performs as well as speakers 3 times the money!!"
@@SnoopKatt If you want quite balanced or critical reviews I recommend No Theme Reviews on RUclips. He gives very detailed reviews (some of which can be a bit controversial) but his channel is still new so not too many people know about him.
Do you ever stop to think why that is? Maybe something to do with the fact hifi gear is literally the most affordable it's ever been? Kinda hard to hate something that gives you better performance than what you paid for. Gear is constantly getting better for cheaper and you complain about it. You're a couple fries short of a happy meal.
What you described seems to me like they've even got the wrong crossover or an improperly assembled crossover in that set I've seen that happen before with other speakers too
BR03's, Billie Amp, and a sub with a crossover, in a living room. Great sound for a "budget" setup.
Cool, that's what I'm looking into. What sub would you recommend?
@@JonathanMahoneyDOP I'm happy with the setup, but we'll see how long that lasts haha. Currently running a BIC PL-200 it gets low, but not the best response time/match. Check out the REL T7i or the SVS SB3000, there are a bunch of decent sub options out there.
@@rubizness cool! Thanks, do you think the sub is really necessary with the bro3s?
@@JonathanMahoneyDOP That's a question of taste. I think so, others might not.
I bought a pair of BR08 yesterday and I think they sound great.
Sweet baby Chewbies.😊 miss and love that girl.
Nice flats and kisses to mister fluffy kitty!!😘
Is kinda weird headphones get tried on different classes/types of amps - but if speakers don’t play nice with Class D, they’re bad.
Class D is bad in itself,soumd nasty through any speaker
I find bass lacking too. Similiar large basement set up, but with more absorption. Tone is really good, and no brightness issue.
Wrong placement, wrong room, everything of this video is wrong!
Dude is your cat okay?
Should’ve put these in the sunroom with svs sub and I think you would’ve thought more of these
Dude, sorry but you aren’t an audiophile. Your amp and room are terrible!
They could have some kind of manufacturing flaw. Crossover or woofer manufacturing flaw.
Cat can probably smell water from the pipes. Maybe lay down some water? I think I'm thirsty myself.
Hey Zeos, odd request but, could you do a review of the Apple HomePod and HomePod mini (both mono and stereo)? I’m curious to see how the stack up for you compared to other speakers. Thank you.
I find my BR03 sounds great for orchestral, piano, guitar, pretty good for ~80s rock, just good when you head into harder music or electronic that is bass heavy. Some room treatment jokes aside they do seem particular to room size, placement, and orientation- having been played in a few different rooms in the house. Speaking of BASS, any chance triangle sent you some subs to try? My br’s do indeed need a sub. Hope chewbie is ok!
Crap review . Honestly...
The speakers sound terrible, like they were produced by a house speaker shop. It could be a defective pair. Testing another set could confirm results. If a second pair is much better then there are quality control factory problems. Good and honest review as always.
I'm telling you you've got to take that passive preamp out of that system. It's probably affecting the bass. Just use one of your headphone amps with pre-outs or something. Also, I've found rear-ported speakers seem to have more bass.
That ol concrete wall seems a bit suboptimal guvnor
Reminds me of Camden
Get the Klipsch back and see how it performs in the room.
Gonna comment before watching. Had these and loved them but they gave me a ringing headache everyday. I’d go to work and my brain felt like pressure was on them and a dull pain all day. I guess I found them too bright although I thought they were a joy to listen to sonically. I am sensitive to bright due to concussions so PSA I guess. Amazing imaging for gaming.
These speakers need treatment and a good room. They’re alright.
Sean from ZF loved this and promoted them as his speaker of the year. Not saying you're wrong and he's correct or vice versa... but opinions are arseholes is always a true analogy.