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The HUGE Ability Buff That Got Nerfed IMMEDIATELY
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- Опубликовано: 29 апр 2023
- The ability Cud Chew got a secret buff that made it much stronger, but it was nerfed again almost as soon as the community became aware of it. I explain the mechanics of the buff, how strong it could have been, and why it got nerfed again.
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How much cud could a cud chewer chew if a cud chewer could chew cud?
Only 2 unfort.
I don't know how much cud could a cud chewer chew if a cud chewer could chew cud. Do you know how much cud could a cud chewer chew if a cud chewer could chew cud?
Obviously, cud tew ;D (could two)
In real life, it’s more like four times.
I wonder how this could have interacted with the move pluck?
Other mons they could've given Cud Chew are Numel line, Skiddo line, Mareep line, and Miltank.
Gogoat has recovery in Milk Drink so could have been a really great user, especially with a berry that boosts defenses
Greedent too
Yeah any ruminant should have gotten it.
Don't give Miltank anything
@@witherkilleryeh let go that silver/gold trauma, he isn't one of the best tanks by far
I'd just like to point out that Farigiraf also gets Baton Pass. Even with Cud Chew working the way it was intended, and even without Stored Power, Starf boosts could still wind up extremely useful if you wanted to lean into that (in SV rather than Smogon). You could also just go with a more standard pinch berry and one of Farigiraf's own boosting moves if you wanted something more predictable.
Anyway, still totally perplexed by the slots each of Farigiraf's abilities are in. You'd totally expect Armor Tail to replace Inner Focus and Cud Chew to replace Sap Sipper, but nope!
2 very good points - I hadn't clocked the slots for the abilities since my giraffe is from a tera raid...
They swapped it around like Girafarig to Farigiraf
They definitely should have kept this it would've gave people an actual reason to run unnerve
This, yes
Corviknight with Unnerve
So basically a polteageist could make you eat the berry with teatime and then swap you another berry with trick, so you can cud chew one berry on turn 2 and cud chew again a diferent berry on turn 3
I wish I had known about that before it was patched out. Infinite heals with sitrus, that just makes Flare Blitz and Wave Crash super spammable.
Only the regular Paldean Tauros would miss out on that since it only gets double edge instead of those moves ( Kanto Tauros would have enjoyed that if it got Cud chew as well)
Sheer Force is still dope though. Especially if you paired it with Life Orb and moves with a secondary effect.
@BlahBohogun lol, yeah, that's true. Orb Sheer force body slam is stronger than wave crash or flare Blitz and no recoil lol.
But the strong Fire or Water, along with fighting stab that constantly heals ( and can drop and screens since raging bull is always a good move too) sounds like a menace to me, lol well in any gen but this one because wow all the threats haha!
@@BlahBohogunI thought life orb sheer force combo was a bug and was patched back in like gen 6
smogon would have banned cud chew recycling the random +2 berry by calling it “essentially moody”
Moody but no stat down
Polteageist: "Who wants to eat a Starf Berry at 100% turn 1?"
Really interesting mini history and Farigiraf strategy, though may I please ask: where did you find that Harvest is 30%? It definitely used to be 50% and to my knowledge it still is, I even Googled Harvest and 30% and I can't find any source saying it's 30%, at least on the main/typical sources that Google churns out.
Yeah it's 50 not sure where 30 came from either 😅
Wait fr I was sure it was 30 percent
@@lordnatu I haven't tried Harvest in this generation, so I can't personally vouch that there hasn't been a drop BUT for previous generations, sources said 50% and I used to use Harvest Tropius with Protect & Roost strats (so you'd get 2 turns to restore your berry) and mathematically this means it should work most of the time and I found this to work. It was rare after two turns to not get my berry back. I definitely would have noticed or suspected something was up if it was only 30%, you'd definitely notice it not working as consistently.
Imagine using cud chew for those berries that do damage to the opponents based on whether they used a physical move or special move on your Pokémon depending on the berry.
Lol like a roided up rocky helmet
Those don’t do much damage for a reason
@@brockoffnetjetszz6699 well, I understand your point but just for the physical berry (Jaboca berry) because your Pokémon could just hold a Rocky Helmet (which does a fraction more damage than the Jaboca berry anyway), but I think the special attack berry (Rowap Berry) has a more unique use as there are no items that deal damage if a Pokémon is hit with a special attack so this berry could have good usage regarding the bugged Cud Chew.
This glitch actually did run pretty rampant for a time on BSS high ladder. Farigiraf w starf cud chew essentially acted as a drawback-less moody.
From what I saw people who abused this glitch didn’t go all in on it, but if you managed to get a favorable matchup or even just a lucky roll and starf boosted the right stat, it became ridiculously easy to cheese wins.
Definitely, since Starf can boost evasion, luck can be everything!
@@foofootoo yeah and my personal stance is, at least in competitive settings, we should minimize the impact of RnG as much as possible, so in that sense I’m very happy this glitch was patched. Personally I never ran into anyone abusing it (though I don’t play on console as much as the rest of the BSS players I talk with), I heard multiple horror stories of people having games that were otherwise on lock robbed by people getting lucky with this.
Yeah, basically turning it into a Moody sweeper with Stored Power and Wish is just asking for a ban in Singles.
I mean it's exactly cheese tho..
It could be interesting in the Almost Any Ability metagame with kicklee: you can use either the salac berry with bulk up, endure, reversal and knock off/poison jab for fairies, which is basically his unburden set but slighty better. Or and endgame sweeper, with the berry that raises his attack stat, with the same set. If set up properly, it can deliver 200 BP reversal with +2 attack, and can even trade bulk up for rapid spin, to be at +1 speed too.
as a programmer, to me it seems they forgot to put a flag to check if it was activated already or maybe the 'if' statement to check the flag.
It's just a few lines of code so it's really weird that they forgot to program it, probably was rushed.
What's weird is that on release it worked fine, then it broke on an unrelated patch. Maybe they branched the codebase before release time? And they got a team working on release and a team working in the next patch but with the bugged ability? Idk
Cud chew starf berry is so funny
Well, Recoil could be viable with Sitrus Berry Cud Chew, since you always have some damage one you.
This might need some other setup, since Liechi Berry isn't an option for an itsm slot of you run Sitrus already.
Salac/Leichi Berry + Endure + Reversal with the Tauros’ would be pretty fun
I didn't know Cud Chew was buffed until I saw WeedleTwineedle's livestream. I thought it always the same 😅
They knew Weedle would be too powerful with a tech like this lol
@@foofootoo Most Weedle's tech got dexited so it's not a surprise at this point.
They really waited for me to train up a farigiraf to immediately patch it 😢
The secret cow/mouse hybrid Pokémon they don't want us to know about:
*Cudchu*
Yo wait even better use tea time in doubles it forces all pokemon to eat there held berry signature move of polteageist
Let them cook...
@@foofootoo I wish I could but it's patched out
Their*
3:07 that's something to berry-n mind
4:32 berry frail
If only Farigiraf got Recycle... Truly infinite berries that doesn't use a bug. Its loke that one appletun set all over again but funnier
Edit: I'm stupid, but you could still will o wisp in doubles
Sitrus berry could work with buffed cud chew if you gave your farigiraf a flame orb
... how would it hold both a citrus berry and a flame orb
Omg I'm stupid
Man, Nintendo really likes no-fun zones, huh? Even if it was supposedly a glitch, I'd argue that the buffed version is actually more in line with the description - you once again ate the berry, and the ability activates upon eating the berry, so it should activate again. If they're gonna keep the nerfed version, the ability description should specify once per battle, or perhaps a better wording would be once per berry, because I imagine that if the ability has been previously activated, but later in the match a berry gets switched into your held item slot, the ability would trigger again if you ate that berry?
That honestly gave me an idea of a cud chew double edge pokemon, but it's a damn shame that it got patched out just because game freak woke up and felt silly
Here's a question. I presume the random berry would also break the chain if it tried to boost a stat that can't go any higher. That means that if your luck was bad you could end it with maxed accuracy and attack but nothing much useful.
Starf berry actually works to boost that is not maxed out, so that doesn't matter
Tbh in doubles I seen someone fling a starf berry on espartha holding weakness policy, use protect after that for a speed boost and swept my team 😭
This was better than harvest because you cud eat a recovery berry with tauros and a symbiosis partener could swap you a life orb or weaknes policy and you just will cud chew the berry on the next turn while holding another item
i think a tauros set that utilized a sitrus berry and a move with recoil could be interesting
Could the cud chew chain continue if you switched in and out to force your opponent to damage your chewer?
Skill swap cud chew onto a Pokémon like greedunt with belch and that one move that gives it a defence boost when consuming a berry especially with the ether a sitrus liechie or salac berry but could also have gone for maybe a petaya berry ti boost belch even more while also boosting your defences via greedunts signature move that gives defence boosts
Farigiraf with the spa boost berry
They did that patch soo quick I didn’t even notice 🤧😳 soo thanks for this wow cud chew missed out on such viability
Currently does cud chew not activate again if you use recycle ?
They should add this version of Cud Chew into Hackmon
Harvest is 50%
Indeed it is 😬
Does the starf berry give you the same boost every time Cud Chew activates, or random every time?
Also maybe skill swap cud chew on a poltigiest with the ability weak armor and the petaya berry and use tea time to trigger the berry while at full hp
Well considering it was taken away immediately theres a very simple explanation: it was an accidental Bug that they fixed
I had some fun with Cud Chew Farigiraf using Tera Ghost curse with a sitrus berry
The ability to finish a 6v6… that was nerfed…
Its crazy that something like shed tail/regenerator is fine for gamefreak, but funny little nibbling nibbling on berrys is a no go.
Wait right its patched cud chew starf berry tea time would've been so funny
Cud chew could have worked like activating every 1,2,4,8 times and so on
Idk if it was a glitch but once I had my Taurus eat it’s berry 3 turns
Yeah I think it was a glitch with the last version
As long as it doesn't break the game in a literal sense
1:01 looking like gen 9 randbats
i think i played against you on showdown like a day or two ago i played against a salac berry fling into weakness policy farigiraf stored power
I think I know WHY they patched this. If the programming on this wasn't done correctly this could lead to using the berry INFINITELY!
Who knew eating your own vomit would be so busted in the metagame 😂
This video definitely passes the cud chew line. Props to anybody who actually gets this reference
Imagine if you went to eat with like a cousin and when you were at home they vomited what they ate.
Weakness berries blocking attacks after protect would be cheese
I heard about it, was debating using it with Tauros but it wasnt like harvest. But the glitch/buff made me more curious then it got nerf.
It goes om in om in om
Questio.... if you fling a berry into a cud chew mon, would cud chew activate?
In my opinion this was needed for raids. It would stay alive forever.
they shouldve just kept the buff (or glitch) not because it would be fair but because farigiraf and tauros r cool pokemon and deserve it.
Oh, darn it. I wish I could've tried this before it got patched...
You misspelled glitch.
Harvest is 50% chance not 30
Sounds like moody with extra steps lol
But with no stat drops too and on a pokemon with STAB stored power
Too bad the "Cudchewers" don't learn Recycle & my new move "Burp". Burp would be like the move Belch, except, it's 70 power & 100% accuracy. It'd have a 10%-20% chance to poison & wouldn't be affected by using Recycle, Pickup, or Harvest.
So is it still kinda bad again ?
Well I would say yes, but in the hands of a good player I'm sure you could have an interesting go at making a team...
Could you run recycle on Farigaraf?
Aww man. Wish this was still in.
Ðoes anyone know if trick room work on priority moves like dragon tail? As in the priority of the move will be reversed
cud chew... Gesundheit
Harvest is actually 50% and 100%
Could have sworn harvest was a 50% chance?
I think it might have been a bug
Yeah considering the ability description literally says "one more time" it definitely wasn't intended
I use Endure Trailblaze bulk up Liechi Berry Aqua breed
UNGULATES LET'S GOOOOOO!
I like your cud chew
Thus is just a joke #Gamefreak nerfs and Buff pokemon bcuz they don't like losing to people smarter than them with their Creations.
Not Foo mansplaining Weedle in a nutshell 😂
thank god, I would've shot myself if another stallmon build became powerful. No worse feeling than getting stalled to death.
Cud chew is just a worse ripen and harvest
Yeah pretty much...
Gf did the right thing of nerfing it.
We just doing random glitches now 'kay I see you game freak
I battled someone that abused this and it was disgusting but they couldn't get passed my gastrodon with clear smog lmaooo, I stalled them and they ended up quitting after another mon came in and gave fargarif another berry it didn't want. Btw f*** costar flamingo, all my homies hate costar
The fact that they can patch that so quickly yet we still don't have Home and they do nothing with all the glitchy functions and screen transitions in Raids tells me that they really DGAF about the solo-only and heavy post-game players who spent their hard earned money purchasing this game. It's disappointing. I'm not getting the DLC and I'll probably never buy another Pokemon game on Switch again.
They may as well remove abilities if they're gonna keep nerfing them... pointless... moxie, libero, battle bond non existent... just pointless
Cud chew sucks as its on mostly pokemon without recycle so once its done, thats it.
The fact they removed recycle from a lot of berry users is BS, i miss Petaya berry dedenne with parabolic charge, sub, recycle and cheek pouch.
This gen has been horrible for nerfs and nerfing stall playstyle.
A lot of once viable pokemon are now just useless due to move removal, and we have pokemon that are just too fast and strong that since there isnt much stall anymore, its easy to.steamroll your opponents because every good mon is a glass cannon.
This meta has been the most boring and uncreative in any gen.
Bring back gen 6! So much variety.
“Secret buff” (literally a bug)
It was 100% a glitch
Should of kept it
not a really a buff or a nerf, thats a bug getting past testers and then getting patched lol, misleading title
Well yea it was over powered lmao
The reason was because of Stored Power Cud Chew Starf Berry Farigiraf. And it was unintentional on GF's end. You might call it...a GLITCH. Not a buff to be nerfed, a *GLITCH*.
Street Fighter 2 Disease is at it again.
I swear, people need to stop treating oversights, glitches, bugs & exploits as "buffs" and "Advanced Techniques" to be exploited to win imaginary swag.
Nintendo are assholes about intended uses of their games, for sure...but frankly, this being rushed to be a potential exploit like Marth's Grab Reach or Wavedashing is why sometimes, these things need to be fixed. Because they're NOT meant to be there.
Just like how they patched out Sheer Force's Life Orb interaction, right?
@@Necromancer4267Sheer Force also has similar interactions against certain abilities, so I think it's deliberate
@@Necromancer4267 sheer force seems deliberate. It also wasn't patched into the game unlike this one was. It also has the advantage of being that way since before patches were a thing.
@@TopOfAllWorlds 1. It was literally stated *not* to have been deliberate, but kept in anyway. 2. It wasn't "patched in", nor was this cud chew interaction "patched in". 3. The ability to patch is meaningless as they kept it the same for 6 generations straight.
And they still haven't improved the game's performance hahahaha
sub protect combat looks so boring what a game