Can't say I'm surprised, I quit around the part I got my ship, when I figured out I had to farm all those little fruits and then people started saying you also have to up keep multiple alts to help you farm stuff and funnel into your main was the moment I was like "Yeah this game ain't for me".
Same story has everyone bro they need to stop that forced alt shit. Can only progress if its your full time job or if you use your full time job to p2w
@@StarGazerTom1991 I didnt quit and kept playing with only 1 character and Im clearing every new raid on release, you are all really to quick to believe what everyone on the internet says
The alts sounded good when I thought if it like “Oh I get to play multiple classes,” then I realized I only liked 3 classes and had no desire to invest in my alts to continue funneling to my main. The dailies are mind numbing. The raids are cool but doing 18 raids a week is a lot, especially with 6 gate brel. Stone cutting? Pheons? Inflation? All driving factors that lead me to quit
i really did enjoy lost ark. I played to max level and then pushed some, did some boss, did a bit of grinding but left. As a father, i dont have that much time and i saw that i was just an hollow hamster wheel and daily work for peanuts. I prefer playing single payer games where every minutes i put is rewarding with fun. Daily grinding isnt
Thats what all mmos are. Dailys to incentivize players to come back for subs. Fomo is real. But bro trust me ff14 and wow get good after 500 hours trust me bro
@@snuggie1849 wtf? Ff14 was great from the 1st hour, same with wow, if u need 500 hours to enjoy a game tf u doing then? How the hell u think wow and ff are the most popular mmos? dumb strawman honestly
I wished it is a patch-wise game that I can get in to play the latest raid and drop it not worrying to hone enough to play the next raid. Too good to be true tho
Fuck yeah dude it was awesome. Some of the quests and dungeons were so unique it has massive potential. Why the fuck are they ruining this game with bs
I feel like if this is the only game you play, and have like no other hobbies, you could probably still keep going. However, this game is absolutely overwhelming to keep up with general IRL stuff and balancing playing other games too. This game was amazing to play up until endgame, then I realized there would be an insane grind and farm component, and I would need to take time to learn all the mechanics needed to stay relevant. I just was overwhelmed and decided to take a break and play games that are a bit more immediate. Enjoyable game play, just hard to justify playing long term.
I was looking forward to brel. I had 6 alts, doing dailies every single day. Because I'm f2p, I left my main at 1490 because it was the most efficient. Then first week I got up to 1500, barely. And realized it is pretty much impossible to get 1520 for next gate without 3-4 more weeks of grinding. Because you don't generate enough tokens to buy next tier pieces. They deliberately made pieces require so much token to force you buy gear. Then I thought to myself, if I'm playing this game every single day, doing chaos dungeons on 6 chars every single day, and I cannot get to play latest content without dropping real money; what am I even doing. I quit the next day, after having 2k+ hours, didn't even think about the game until this video. Yeah I took a month break at some point, I didn't play perfectly optimal, but if I put 2k hours in a year, I feel like I should be able to do the latest content
Lost Ark andies will say you have to put 4k+ hours into the game to be entitled to doing end game content because you shouldn't be able to "rush content" according to them. They say play at your own pace, but will take advantage of the market and grind the game out to stay ahead. Leaving behind the casual players who like the side content or don't play 4+ hours a day. The "play at your own pace" naysayers are so full of shit, its egregious. Like look at Book prices now? Pheon/Blue Crystals? Item Costs? Gold removed from certain content to mitigate botting? Island content that required groups? guardian raid progression? World boss fights? So much content is either dead or undoable now then if you had done it alot earlier and many things changed since then that many took advantage of early when they could. They will defend all the shitty rng mechanics in this game til the very day the game finally dies, saying its fair and should remain cause SG needs to be paid and by the time the Western version catches up to KR, there wont even be a player base left to play. lmao Also, the game was developed in 2011 and in Unreal 3. Its almost 12 years old. If it doesnt die from how bad its been mismanaged and unfixed, then it will just die bc the next thing will come out and everyone will forget about it.
I got 1515 on main before Brel completely F2P, never played AH, never bussed, never bought gold, and I play 5 alts and only on rested. Its possible, but I agree this game could do so much better without all the shitty systems it has.
Honestly Lost Ark was probably one of my favorite gaming experiences in recent years. I tried getting back into it a few weeks ago but it's just become a chore to play.
still fun though. If u focus on one character, you should be fine. I guess u focus on alts, that ur problem because ur management suck. If u focus one character, is not even a chore lmao. one character is so easy
I' m so surprised no western dev team hasn't ripped the lost ark formula and made it more consumer friendly. They could literally keep the same formula pump the cash shop full of skins and make hand over fist in cash. They would attract whales, casuals and the older mmo crowd.
Western developers suck at creating PvE MMO's for the most part..name me a single one with focus on combat which isnt WoW.. and wow isnt even action combat Also Lost ark is only about raiding in the endgame.. if this game didnt have this grind, then people wouldnt play it for long..because they would realize it has no content...people would play like it asmongold does.. he praises the dungeons and raids.. but he doesnt go and do the raids every single week on multiple characters its a kind of content which takes super long to develop This is just not good game concept for the western market.. the only reason lost ark still has players is that the core gameplay of the game and the raid design are absolutely amazing...everything else is terrible
I non ironically think that Lost Ark's gameplay should be the future of Hack & Slashes. If diablo 4 had a similar gameplay it would be absolutely incredible imo.
@@Hosenbund1 when your revenue is going in bilion+ per year making 2-3 heck even 10 teams that would just crunch new content should be not an issue, tbh they should have enough content for years prepared already thing is when the "gold river" is flowing why to speed up things ;P
I completely agree with what Asmon said around 22:30 onward. The gameplay loop is the reason i quit. Yes, the bots were annoying, yes, the inflation was crippling, yes there is a multitude of other issues. The real problem is having to do 2 guardians/chaos a day on 4-6 characters (if you're not gonna swipe) to keep up with the completely ridiculous honing rates, on top of a dozen other layered RNG systems like stones, etc. It's just cancer. It's not fun, like he said, it gives you low key PTSD.
The real problem is that you don't have to do anything and you still force yourself to. I used to be a victim of my addiction or FOMO too, now i just open the game, play a raid i like and close it. So simple, yet people are not able to play games for fun. They must be optimal at all times, which defies the concept of play, entertainment, fun, etc... Next time, try to remember the goal is to do fun stuff when you play ;p
its actually a dopamine farm hamster wheel, you do very tedious daily tasks that are super repetitive and kinda painful to do, then you get to click on the honing button, you get that risk/gambling excitment, and sweet sweet dopamine hit when you finally get your tap, then back to the grind for the next tap that is the whole gameplay loop, the hard boss fights are not the challenges of the game, they are actually the REWARDS you get to do after you struggle through the honing loop
@@sebastian192 That's the whole point ; you don't have to force yourself into doing whatever. Just stop. Congratulations you now have control over yourself and what you do ! No thing or person can dictate you. Stop pretending inanimate object and things have control over you ; they don't. Take full responsability for yourself. You get to choose what you do at every moment , magnificient ain't it ? Now apply this to every aspect of your life and don't forget games too ; you are meant to have fun playing them ;) That being said, yeah every aspect of every possible modern entertainment tries to get the best of you and this game is no exception. Addiction-inducing activities are all over the world and they're all fighting for YOUR attention. What are you gonna do about it ? You're gonna learn to direct your attention to where you'd like it to be. Are you able to remain in the drivers seat ? Or do you become driven by urges and desires ? Realistically, a bit of both. But as one grows older and wiser, maybe he becomes able to give himself the choice. Personally I haven't been honing for months in this game. I log on, do a fight I enjoy on a character I enjoy, then proceed to close the game. Fun's been had, let's move on. Before, people would say not to do drugs, but now everything is drug-like. If you can't learn to manage yourself, you're screwed. Might as well start now
@@gabrielcat72 bro i quit the game last year in may, i am fine tbh. i was just pointing out how the game is set up to game on your brain, doesn't mean im dumb enough to fall for it
@@sebastian192 and im not saying play it, im saying everything is made this way : social media, tv series, games, publicities, radio, pop music, etc... Literally everything is made to be addictive and steal your attention/time. Choose your poison ^^
i genuinely out of the bottom of my heart wished this game would succeed yet even i found myself quitting, when the game came out i put 50 hours into the game in the span of 3 days and 3000+ hours into the game felt like a choir or as the koreans refer to it "homework" which in itself wouldnt even be a problem, it is quite common for MMOs to cause burnout when there is content drought, however lost ark actively punishes you with its flawed honing system urging you to continue playing without allowing yourself to take a break. I havent played the game in about 4 months and even though id like to return i just feel like it isnt worth it, id have to do so much grinding again to even get to current content that by the time i reach it id be burned out again. it is simply unrealistic to assume a person has so much free-time or even will to play the same game over and over again and also doing the SAME THINGS in it over and over again. PS: no i wasnt a full f2p player, and neither did i only play a single character, i have had multiple alts in vykas hard.
it make sense to me how its an korean game where they just dont give a fuck if you have to play like 6h a day with 6 alts or something. I was never an alt fan in mmorpgs I did in lost ark, hated it very quickly and 1 day I just quit and never logged in again, didnt even plan to quit, just wanted to take a break because it became so exhausting and time consuming.
29:58 It's only very rare that lead directors *actively* know specific problems of the game. Yoshi-P has been asked some of the most specific questions in the past and he managed to answer most of them in the producer live letters, which was a reason he got the popularity. GoldRiver I've heard has done similar sorts, which was why people loved him so much. For example in FFXIV, you can get special primal mats upon desynthizing/dismantling weapons dropped from the same primal's fight. However, for the longest time, it was never consistent (where some weapons straight up never drop mats via desynth) and overlooked by the dev team until someone brought it up to Yoshi-P. The patch after, every primal that has their special mat now has the ability to drop from their respective weapons.
The biggest issue is how the game forces you to have alts in order to push your main. If I just want to main paladin,why should I be punished? That and thr MASSIVE grind just made it awful after 300+ hours.
My first character in WOW was a human mage named Qzxwy because I was a kid and when I heard over a million players so I thought every "normal" name was obviously already taken so I figured I would come up with something weird no one would ever think of.
my gaming name used to be chungo and i never had a problem with getting that specific name in any game ever, then the big chungus meme happened and i’ll never get that username again without a bunch of numbers behind it it pisses me off
I was a dumb kid and my first death knight was named "Doomkillerso" because of 2 reasons. I was trying to name myself doomkiller, which was taken, so the second reason was to name myself doomkillerson. But I didn't realize that the n on son didnt pop into the username bar because I was out of space. Lmao
I remember when playing the good old dark age of Carmelot I wanted to name my first character on the American servers Theswamp, don't ask me why 😂 I was a dumb kid too.. I was playing magic the gathering at that time and I liked the black mana I guess... Anyway only when I reached level 49 and it was really a challenge to get there back then.. I realized I made a typo and named it Thwswamp 🤣 omg I really didn't believe I did that but yes.. I was really a dumb kid and am still dumb 😆
I was awful at names as a kid, a rogue named Invisableman, a death knight Arthuswrath, and a Paladin named Holytankadin. But I was reminded of that first one by the alphabet soup names bots have lol
For me the number one reason why people quit this game is not bots. It's gatekeeping. Imagine how frustrated people will get if they spent all their resources to build their characters just to get gatekeep because they were not playing meta classes like des, DB, Shadowhunter, Sorc, gun classes (except for Machinist), striker classes.. You can be a 1500 machinist with lv 10 gem and still get gatekeep because people assume machinist can't deal dmg like other classes. Like how Fk up is that
I quit because it started feeling like a job, everything in this game needs to be account bound like WoW and also they need to make it way better for returning players so that we can catch up with the most active players so we can be on the same level.
@@TierHarribel most mmo works like that sadly. Most of them fall into the same concept of "Having to keep adding contents or players will quit" kind of thing. I'm also progressing in my on pace now rather than racing to the end game like others
The game is good, but damn this game is TREMENDOUSLY mishandled. The amount of bots, and the rampant RMT problems that the game has is such a bad look for the game. Everyone has been saying this for months, but AGS seems like they're struggling so much on how to regulate these things.
Most of the bots are gone now, havent seen a single bot today on my Server on EUC - Thirain. After the 200K+ mass bot ban yesterday. The games population went from 320K to 100K
@@Startrance85 matter of time them 200k bots are back because they just create new ones and let them bot and ags/smilegate cant do anything against it. maybe in 3 months they again do a mass ban against bots but they keep coming back
@@johannlehmann2358 that havent happend yet, i cant see a single bot on my server checked yesterday and checked back today. No bots anywhere. Checked all major cities and where bots normally stands and nothing.
Big problem with Korean games ported to the west is that in Korea they have a special social security number they use when making game accounts. This heavily mitigates Botting or hacking as your account is directly related to you. Game then comes to the west, people can make unlimited accounts and engage in Botting etc risk free. This is made worse by the fact that this Western problem is relayed back to Smilegate who now have to try to fix an issue they have little to no experience with.
@@bunnyfreakz Kr has no bots People just selling their own gold its not even possible to make an bot account there bc you need Your Phone number and you get a phone number with your ID
I loved the game as I played through the story, I enjoyed collecting the mokokos too. But as soon as I got to end game and it just becomes an alt farm I couldn't do it anymore.
I'm not surprised at all. I'm only surprised it took this long. Every decision made by AGS has been terrible. From the "westernization" of the game including model changes, censorship, and story changes. To changing the gold economy and dealing with bots. This has been one of the most mismanaged games I have ever seen and it has caused me nothing but frustration.
Not gonna lie, it was difficult to finish some quests while leveling a week ago. Imagine getting 10monsters to kill for quest while 30bot sorcs are aoe'ing down the entire map. It literally felt weird 99.9% of the leveling process to be the only one still doing this manually and wasting his lifetime while 2/3 of the game population do it while sleeping.
the biggest problem i have with lost ark is gambling in honing. They can change the honing system to instead of giving chance to succeed to instead give chance to items to drop from bosses/dungeons, that way it gives reason for players to grind and when they get the mats its guaranteed upgrade so it will feel like you accomplished something. Getting mats must be grindy not the upgrading part, as that makes grinding less valuable and lose interest easily as its all gambling and thers no feeling of accomplishment as it was all just luck.
I know how he feels exactly, used to play a Korean game way back in 2005 called Rappelz , the bots farmers and currency inflation killed the game, don’t think it’s still even there , that game was way better than all others for its time, truly sad but Korean games don’t care much some how.
Because they don't need prevention from botting. Your account is tied to your passport ID. You got banned, you got banned forever. You wouldn't be getting second account unless you get it from some homeless dude in need of $.
FYI about the catching up to korea thing, if I remember correctly, Roxx said on a call with Stoops that the west will never actually catch up to Korea and that we will be at best like 3 months behind them at all times.
1. they need to change the honing rates in the west (probably to always have at least a 20% chance of success at least especially on older gear) 2. get rid of pheons 3. fix the auction house constant issues 4. Make guardian raids only require 1 time a day. (Give the same amount of reward for completing it once). 5. give more rewards for doing chaos or guardians more than the required amount of times. (this will make ppl who dont want to p2w find a way to catch up to those that do pay money to get ahead). There is honestly no reason to delay progress behind reward gates other than trying to get people frustrated so they can spend money.
I played LA and capped one character and quit after I realized I needed to make alts just to get mats and currencies. Lost ark doesn’t hold a candle to the gameplay and alt management of FFXIV
I had 1.2k hours and multiple chars with Vykas Hard on Farm but dropped off a bit to play WOTLK just before Clown released, I got back into the game last week and brute forced my DB to 1490 to try get some Clown and Brel gates.. its practicaly impossible with limited time. I need to convince a group to carry my ass as I learn the fights and also hope they themselves are capable of doing them too. Unsurprisingly no one wants to do that. I think my only in right now is bump up my Bard to get more leverage and patience on groups but its a ball ache with 1 / 3% hone rates. Lost Ark is in severe need of a solo practice mode, the only 'practice' is dead as it requires a group which, so far, I have not seen any. I know I can get the gates down with a bit of practice but getting it is incredibly difficult and I think its guna keep players away once they 'fall behind' as I have.
Something I don't see players talking about that often when it comes to bots is the corrupt business incentive to keep them around. What do shareholders want in a game they're investing in? They want to see that the game is doing well. The most commonly used metrics within the games industry to determine the success of a game is CCU (Concurrent Users) aka how many players are continually logging into the game to play. There are other key metrics as well such as WAU and MAU (Weekly/Monthly active users). For Lost Ark, bots are making these metrics look better to shareholders. and looking good to shareholders / making shareholders happy is far more important to a company than it's players, because shareholders control the business.
The bots are not the problem, the main problem is the player base as a player you are not allowed to be human and make mistakes. You are expected to have the best gear, gems, etc and you are expected to use the cookie-cutter talent tree if you don't other players will call you out on it in the middle of a raid. Lost Ark has a very toxic player base and streamers don't make it any better, they make it seem like people can do all of this quickly, and of course, you can your job is to play games and stream it.
Game play loop is definitely the biggest problem. Blocking progress because my rng for honing was bad. Delaying release of jobs for arbitrary reasons even though a male striker is only slightly different than female striker. My ongoing theory is Lost Ark was a distraction while they work on New World.
New World is dead, it’s gone, it’s not coming back. No one is going back to new world regardless of what happens to it. With the recent expansion it bumped up a bit, people were curious and immediately left.. next content cycle, less people will be curious, and less people the following time, and so on. on top of regulars quitting. I really enjoyed New World 1-60 on launch, that’s it though.
I quit Lost Ark a few months ago. It’s too bad because it was probably the best gaming experience I’ve ever had in terms of raiding content. Running dailies on alts was awful. I wish games would implement endgames similar to the way GW2 does for the casual gamer.
I suppose not having RMT in-game, as in endorsed by the publishers, does help a lot. Bots in FF14 figured out a way to clip into the map and hide underneath the Limsa plaza aetheryte, even then it matter very little because gil/gold means less in the game than just playing the game.
A support member was able to tell me about an item I lost which was on a character that I deleted 3 days prior to speaking with them. They notified me the character name, and WHERE it was at the time. (in my storage) They can 100% have all the info of every player and mass ban the bots.
Depends really. They keep doing events that make it easy to catch up along with even giving out free engravings for 3 months in this current event. My friend started and got one person up to my level without regularly playing and working two jobs. He hasn't even bought anything either.
absolutely loved this game since the launch, THEN i went in holiday for 2 weeks and when i came back i uninstalled it, i checked our discord guild and there were 2 ppl left so everyone did the same thing, so this summer vacation killed the game for 90% of the people i know, the game started to feel like a job after 1 main and 3 alts and i did not have time for anything else, it felt like it was made strictly for streamers...
Not only are they not trying to remove bots but they are actively trying to punish real legit players by the changes they make to try and combat bots that don’t work…
The problem is not the bots, Zeals is missing the point. It's just that the game is too grindy and tedious and because of that many people have stopped playing it. Not everyone is willing to spend hours every day just to do their dailies
I quit when we could no longer trade honing mats with other people, i play with my hudband. It was like we werent really playing together anymore, since there is no way to help someone other than carrying them through dungeons and that ultimately means you cannot play with those who are just your equals, start the same time do the same shit, you always need someone p2w or just much mich stronger. I just dont need that in my life. And the daily parsing of content was the most annoying i have ever experienced.
Mechanically the game is amazing. Engaging and rewarding combat, graphics, music, and the boss encounters are top tier. Once you rapport all the npcs, max your stronghold, and get your ships there's nothing to do in the open world. The gameplay loop then becomes 3 rotating active bosses that give gold/material which need to be cleared on 6 characters each week, 12 chaos dungeons and 12 guardian bosses everyday to stay relevant. As new boss fights emerge the oldest fight is phased out and thats what your left with for a game. 5 min chaos, 5 min guardian raid and your speding 3 to 4 hours/day to maintain your account. On avg it takes about 30mins to kill each boss so 34 hours/week to maintain your account with content that does not change for about 3 hours for the 1 new boss that is released every 6 months. And that new content boss is ideally killed 6 times the first week its released. And now we are waiting for that 1 new boss encounter that will become a chore after its week 1 release for another 6 months.
Quit in May when I finished collecting my set from Valtan (Hard). Economy was already starting the downward spiral. Pheons were a nightmare. Most adventure tome progress was 100%. All that was left was chore grinding as the pressure to either RMT or roll 7 farm alts that I don't want to play to keep upgrading.
As an NA east player who stopped at T2 and just returned to the game. I've been running around for about a week now and haven't seen a single other player on my main server and saw one guy on my alt server
I enjoyed Lost Ark when it first came out, in early access, there were no bots because you had to buy some shit, it was great, the campaign was nice, some really memorable instances like capturing the castle and other iconic fights. You then explore the islands, do the content... At this stage you are only playing one character, it is great, you find your mokoko seeds, doing your islands and other shit... Then the game ends and not only do you get a treadmill, it is a treadmill you have to repeat 6 times to be "optimal" and you are hit with a tsunami of FOMO. It was so hard for me to finally kick everyone out of my guild and uninstall, but it was great, after that short withdrawal period I was like... holy shit, I have so much free time, what happened... oh yeah, I cut that LA crap out that was just sponge for my free time. I have no regrets. I am really anti-MMOs now, the realisation that they lure you in with a lie, all those quests and exploration, that is just to hook you in, I think any game where the "end-game" is radically different to the level process is false advertising and we just get lazy content creation in the end, just obnoxious moronic things to waste our time doing, shit we wouldn't accept a paying job to do something that monotonous.
started playing lost ark again, ive played today 11 hours just exploring & collecting mokokos etc. ive seen exacctly 2 real players in this 11 hours. among probably thousand of bots, there were only 3 real players. shit is so depressing it geniuenly feels wrong to come back to this game. even in places like vern castle, there was literally no players. (i also dont believe my server is too dead, playing on calvasus on euc)
Lost Ark was a Pay 2 Win Grindfest. You knew that before the game released in the west. These ppl jumped into it and are now upset that they aren't changing the games Fundamental Design. That's like getting into a relationship with somebody and hope u can change them into something better or different. It doesn't work.
Too aggressively monetized for me, and a truly confounding number of crafting materials and currencies. Confusing, and irritating. I was good after the first week of playing.
On top of some of the game issues, gatekeepers are super prominent even on alt runs and it just gets too tedious trying to get in raids. Plus a support shortage. I still play but I don't finish half my stuff and I get bored fast.
The issue with lost ark is that the things that make the game bad makes them money. I always said that if they made it so you only had to do one chaos and one guardian per character the game would be so much better. But If they did that it would disincentivize people to spend money. They create a problem to sell you a solution like *"You don't like running all those dungeons. That's fine just spend money"*
I've spend >2000 hours and stopped playing back in september. I think this was a good decision while I do not feel bad about the time I've spend in the game. Having a good time. But on one point the inflation started hitting so hard that it did not really felt worth playing anymore. I remember the time when crystals where 200 Gold. I never spend money to push my characters - it was all played - and still had six characters always ready for current content and well equiped. It feld still well balanced if you just spend a lot of time till may/june. I played on daily basis and always had my costs covered by myself. But with the inflation increasing drastically in july/august it did not feel rewarding anymore. Crystal prices explode. RMT was 1 Million Gold for 200 EUR and nobody gets banned. So endgame is all about making gold or get stuff that is worth gold. And like asmon says: Why doing all stuff twice per character. I started playing doing my stuff all 3 days because I really didnt want to do that loop anymore. To a point i stopped playing.
I just started playing Lost Ark again and its rough. Right before the bot ban they were every where (Haven't really noticed as many now). Finding people to do group content can take quite a while and even when doing that content many of the newer players have no idea how any of the fights or mechanics work which can lead to wipes. Then you get people who will instantly vote quit after one wipe. It's extremely rough. It makes trying to get to the end game content is so rough. Especially with everything that goes into improving your character. The grind is absolutely rough.
Bots literally made my whole experience just horrible in the end , 1500 hours , 9 alts at tier 3 , 3 of which are 1415-1510 and I just miss the beginning of the game , now it’s just not fun and appealing . Bots are everywhere. Super sad, community is toxic as well but that goes for any game honestly
If only they released more servers in SEA, they'll pretty much make that 200,000 'player' count to actual player count. I live in Manila and I was one of the people looking forward that they'll open up a server here, it was seriously saddening that most of the people from my region won't be able play this wonderful game without using VPNs and 450-500ms
Have u try eu server ? I can get 200ms with mobile tethering from Indonesia, if i can use my VPN probably could be lower , but my VPN didnt work for lost ark lol
I quit a after 1 month when the game left more like a job. And it was the worst paying job ever. Gameplay loop of Lost Ark was absolutely 100% shit after the "honeymoon" period where you didn't know.
Lost Ark is a game of extremes. The positive aspects are absolutely amazing, likewise the negative aspects are absolutely horrible, and there isn't a whole lot in the middle of the two.
When you make as a developer a game that if you bot you can make profits with currency conversion, then the problem are not the bots, the problem is the game.
Spent over 3k hours NA west 234roster lvl. Convinced my friends to play Not only bots ruin the game Amazon also put handicap on real players by limiting auction/market use by 20 per roster. We love the game but it’s not fun to play anymore with these problems specially for new players. Time to play different game I guess.
Just started to play the game and it's so hard to find a group for the weekly dungeons/raids. I like the game but it's not fun to be in a 30mins Q to end up not even doing it
I'm nearing the 4500 hour mark myself and I got to say it's still a fantastic ride. Thing is, it's fundamentally a Korean MMO. You need to get enjoyment out of the very slow and arduous progression your characters make after devoting a very long time. Nearly all Korean MMO's function like this in order to keep up to date with Content. That's very simply how they operate, and have since the early days of Ragnarok Online where P2W wasn't even a viable option. If you don't get enjoyment out of that, then it's easy to imagine someone getting burnt out and it feeling like a second job just to get by. To be frank, it practically is.
After a year, you would expect AG to provide a free ticket that allows new players to powerpass their new character to 302 without playing the main story (Obviously, this can be abused which is why we don't have it and we have the choice to spend money to powerpass if you're a new player or wait until they gave one with limitations). And most player usually quit or stopped while in the main storyline, but never had the chance to play with the infamous honing system because players are doing their own thing. They either enjoy the story and play whatever they want or get drawn away due to the fact you have to finish the main storyline that usually takes 20+ hours (give or take) to do actual content. After playing for 400 hours, it was difficult to level up your main and the common way is to have multiple alts at 1300+ to feed your main (Excluding events). I recently came back to lost ark 2 days ago and noticed there was a heavy decline in players doing tier 1 and tier 2 content and its fairly active at tier 3 content. Since I couldn't get into a randomize group during matchmaking (Since I powerpassed my arcana to 302 and hit 600 today) and when I did the guardian raid challenges or trails, its usually 1300-1400 gs players. Gold inflation hit so hard that you have to give 2-3k gold for 95 blue crystals when I played, it was only 300-400 gold. Bots are swarming even much more worse and I start seeing them in tier 1-3 areas. (Luterra, Yorn, and Punika) Its truly unfortunate how lost ark was handled by AG and why my friend told me it was a dying game after seeing it myself. It was a fun game (Except their honing sysfem and I still have nightmares about). The more I played the game, I noticed changes to the abyssal raids and especially the tier 1 brel raid where the lights aren't straight, but in a cone shape to make it easier for players. As always, when AG touches something, it withers to nothing. TDLR: - Not friendly to new players due to timegated main storyline. With no opinion to skip the mainstory entirely without paying for powerpass. - Repetitive task and grinding - Botting and gold inflation - Lack of tier 1 and 2 players in NA East.
Much bigger issue, at least in EU, are the disconnects. In every raid you fail at least once because someone disconnects in the middle of the try. I mean Bots are annoying yeah, gold inflation is real and it should be fixed asap. But there are also upsides like cheap gems or remember when grudge books where 8k a piece? But the DCs are just bad in every way.
I made it to 1475 and 1445 on all 5 alts for Kakul and tried coming back after a few months break last week and server disconnected 6 times during G1 of Valtan. Nearly ever other party member DC’d at some point to where the lobby eventually quit. I have uninstalled and don’t plan to come back.
i have been playing with these disconnects like that for 1,5 months until i uninstalled... this game can seriously go to hell.. never played a game with this many problems..and even without these problems its way too grindy and burns anyone out who tries to play this without putting a shit ton of money in...and then amazon/smilegate puts the biggest effort in to even make the most dedicated players quit (i was 1490 on multiple chars even.. almost 2000 hours played)
Tried it out..felt like a phone game with all the casino sounds. Was the best eastern mmo I've ever played, but that doesn't mean much. Gameplay was smooth, but isometric camera just irks me.
just look at how inactive the steam discussion forum is. the more players a game has, the more discussion posts are made daily. lost ark had a player count of "200k" but has the discussion activity of around an 8k player game at most. Its crazy how many bots there are.
I played HARD for like 2 weeks. Got like over 120 hours in 2 weeks. But something just clicked. I started to see the chore-ness of the game. And without hesitation I just dropped it and haven't looked back.
850 hours in i realized it felt more like a chore than anything. the playerbase was one of the least technically gifted i ever played online games with. needing to repeat the same simple bosses over and over and cosuming items because some players had no grasp of the mechanics. and the final straw was farming for 2 months to get 0 honings. all the guild leaving the game was just bonus.
Solutions for bot accounts 😃 Maybe every time you log in or fast travel you appear inside a small randomized hedge maze that is easy to get through for humans but hard for bots. Also the entrances to a town could have changing entrances like the moving stairs in Harry Potter.
This video hits on all the points for why I quit playing. Random disconnects during raids, which leads to losing weekly raid chance. Out of control bot situation that destroyed the AH. Repetitive game loop: 2x chaos, 2x guardians, etc on multiple characters. RMT making guild pvp unfair.
Hey,everyone I am Taiwanese. There is a news today about Lost Ark announcing the postponement the day before the public beta, because China wants to suppress the Taiwan market
I played Lost Ark for 300+ hours after release. Amazing game, except for one small hitch. It was great to linearly go through the game getting gear and upgrading it. Up until the point where the game really forced one to buy to have such upgrades ( p2w ). Until then it was super casual fun...not sure if the game further balances how casual players play the game by giving them certain gear with ilvl for free. It did at the EU release but somehow I've gotten tired of hoping that this will be the standard for player retention. If Lost Ark made money on some sort of battle pass system ( which they added to the game and I just stopped playing) and only cosmetic stuff I would be fine with it even if they couldn't be bought at auction. It was one of the few games that had balanced PVP or rather would have if people weren't allowed to use potions and stuff like that. And the same is true for PvE content.
I had like 3k hours in the game. Its a KR grindfest for sure. The 'do the same thing' every day, followed by, 'do this one thing' a couple times a week makes the game feel like a waste of time. FOMO is not fun.
I quit after the first raid was impossible with randoms. Ridiculous, that a artillerist is able to dodge shit but every one else is just running into the red
Another factor to this is that a lot of regions are blocked from playing the game, mainly SEA. I'm still bitter from the fact that I waited years and years for it to get a global release but then I get region blocked coz Amazon doesn't care about SEA players for some reason. I still played the game when it launched using VPN (thousands of SEA players did) and managed to reach end game with a constant 200 - 300 ping (sometimes it would peak at 900 when raiding with a party). The game pretty much became unplayable at that point since I can't do PvP and boss raids efficiently due to high ping. It's such a shame coz there's a lot of SEA players that whales in MMORPGs and don't mind this kind of gameplay loop.
Can't say I'm surprised, I quit around the part I got my ship, when I figured out I had to farm all those little fruits and then people started saying you also have to up keep multiple alts to help you farm stuff and funnel into your main was the moment I was like "Yeah this game ain't for me".
That's exactly the point I stopped too. Was just like:
"Wait, I gotta grind out multiple characters to keep my main up to spec?"
*uninstall*
Same story has everyone bro they need to stop that forced alt shit. Can only progress if its your full time job or if you use your full time job to p2w
same here
I quit when I finished the campaign and entered that town that had hundreds of dumb quests. Noped the F outta there
@@StarGazerTom1991 I didnt quit and kept playing with only 1 character and Im clearing every new raid on release, you are all really to quick to believe what everyone on the internet says
The alts sounded good when I thought if it like “Oh I get to play multiple classes,” then I realized I only liked 3 classes and had no desire to invest in my alts to continue funneling to my main. The dailies are mind numbing. The raids are cool but doing 18 raids a week is a lot, especially with 6 gate brel. Stone cutting? Pheons? Inflation? All driving factors that lead me to quit
i really did enjoy lost ark. I played to max level and then pushed some, did some boss, did a bit of grinding but left. As a father, i dont have that much time and i saw that i was just an hollow hamster wheel and daily work for peanuts. I prefer playing single payer games where every minutes i put is rewarding with fun. Daily grinding isnt
I'm in the same boat and had the same realization. Dropped it once I saw the true time requirement
Thats what all mmos are. Dailys to incentivize players to come back for subs. Fomo is real. But bro trust me ff14 and wow get good after 500 hours trust me bro
@@snuggie1849 wtf? Ff14 was great from the 1st hour, same with wow, if u need 500 hours to enjoy a game tf u doing then? How the hell u think wow and ff are the most popular mmos? dumb strawman honestly
I wished it is a patch-wise game that I can get in to play the latest raid and drop it not worrying to hone enough to play the next raid. Too good to be true tho
@@snuggie1849 Not all MMOs handle players time quite like Lost Ark or other K mmos
I still remember the first weeks of playing Lost Ark...I enjoyed it so much. It was probably the best gaming experience I ever had :( so sad
Fuck yeah dude it was awesome. Some of the quests and dungeons were so unique it has massive potential. Why the fuck are they ruining this game with bs
I loved it also. The last time i had this experience was 10-13 years ago. Love the last ark begining
Lol
I agree and suddenly i got burnout
saaame
I feel like if this is the only game you play, and have like no other hobbies, you could probably still keep going. However, this game is absolutely overwhelming to keep up with general IRL stuff and balancing playing other games too. This game was amazing to play up until endgame, then I realized there would be an insane grind and farm component, and I would need to take time to learn all the mechanics needed to stay relevant. I just was overwhelmed and decided to take a break and play games that are a bit more immediate. Enjoyable game play, just hard to justify playing long term.
I was looking forward to brel. I had 6 alts, doing dailies every single day. Because I'm f2p, I left my main at 1490 because it was the most efficient. Then first week I got up to 1500, barely. And realized it is pretty much impossible to get 1520 for next gate without 3-4 more weeks of grinding. Because you don't generate enough tokens to buy next tier pieces. They deliberately made pieces require so much token to force you buy gear. Then I thought to myself, if I'm playing this game every single day, doing chaos dungeons on 6 chars every single day, and I cannot get to play latest content without dropping real money; what am I even doing. I quit the next day, after having 2k+ hours, didn't even think about the game until this video. Yeah I took a month break at some point, I didn't play perfectly optimal, but if I put 2k hours in a year, I feel like I should be able to do the latest content
Lost Ark andies will say you have to put 4k+ hours into the game to be entitled to doing end game content because you shouldn't be able to "rush content" according to them. They say play at your own pace, but will take advantage of the market and grind the game out to stay ahead. Leaving behind the casual players who like the side content or don't play 4+ hours a day. The "play at your own pace" naysayers are so full of shit, its egregious. Like look at Book prices now? Pheon/Blue Crystals? Item Costs? Gold removed from certain content to mitigate botting? Island content that required groups? guardian raid progression? World boss fights? So much content is either dead or undoable now then if you had done it alot earlier and many things changed since then that many took advantage of early when they could. They will defend all the shitty rng mechanics in this game til the very day the game finally dies, saying its fair and should remain cause SG needs to be paid and by the time the Western version catches up to KR, there wont even be a player base left to play. lmao Also, the game was developed in 2011 and in Unreal 3. Its almost 12 years old. If it doesnt die from how bad its been mismanaged and unfixed, then it will just die bc the next thing will come out and everyone will forget about it.
I left when they added glaiver and it wasn’t as fast and sick as it looked
Try BDO 🙂
I got 1515 on main before Brel completely F2P, never played AH, never bussed, never bought gold, and I play 5 alts and only on rested. Its possible, but I agree this game could do so much better without all the shitty systems it has.
@@christien6230 LOL what a suggestion, people who have problems with honing already, refer them to BDO? LMAOOOO
there aint no way you are serious
Honestly Lost Ark was probably one of my favorite gaming experiences in recent years. I tried getting back into it a few weeks ago but it's just become a chore to play.
dude same loved this game
same
still fun though. If u focus on one character, you should be fine. I guess u focus on alts, that ur problem because ur management suck. If u focus one character, is not even a chore lmao. one character is so easy
@@CoolNumber1 sadly one character is not enough for f2p to feel comfy in this game
@@IKIGAIofficial THIS! xD , fucking gambling simulator
I' m so surprised no western dev team hasn't ripped the lost ark formula and made it more consumer friendly. They could literally keep the same formula pump the cash shop full of skins and make hand over fist in cash. They would attract whales, casuals and the older mmo crowd.
Western developers suck at creating PvE MMO's for the most part..name me a single one with focus on combat which isnt WoW.. and wow isnt even action combat
Also Lost ark is only about raiding in the endgame.. if this game didnt have this grind, then people wouldnt play it for long..because they would realize it has no content...people would play like it asmongold does.. he praises the dungeons and raids.. but he doesnt go and do the raids every single week on multiple characters
its a kind of content which takes super long to develop
This is just not good game concept for the western market.. the only reason lost ark still has players is that the core gameplay of the game and the raid design are absolutely amazing...everything else is terrible
Da fuck do you mean ? Diablo Immortal is evil version of Lost Ark.
@@bunnyfreakz “and made it more consumer friendly” read the whole thing brother
I non ironically think that Lost Ark's gameplay should be the future of Hack & Slashes.
If diablo 4 had a similar gameplay it would be absolutely incredible imo.
@@Hosenbund1 when your revenue is going in bilion+ per year making 2-3 heck even 10 teams that would just crunch new content should be not an issue, tbh they should have enough content for years prepared already
thing is when the "gold river" is flowing why to speed up things ;P
I completely agree with what Asmon said around 22:30 onward. The gameplay loop is the reason i quit. Yes, the bots were annoying, yes, the inflation was crippling, yes there is a multitude of other issues.
The real problem is having to do 2 guardians/chaos a day on 4-6 characters (if you're not gonna swipe) to keep up with the completely ridiculous honing rates, on top of a dozen other layered RNG systems like stones, etc. It's just cancer. It's not fun, like he said, it gives you low key PTSD.
The real problem is that you don't have to do anything and you still force yourself to. I used to be a victim of my addiction or FOMO too, now i just open the game, play a raid i like and close it.
So simple, yet people are not able to play games for fun. They must be optimal at all times, which defies the concept of play, entertainment, fun, etc... Next time, try to remember the goal is to do fun stuff when you play ;p
its actually a dopamine farm hamster wheel, you do very tedious daily tasks that are super repetitive and kinda painful to do, then you get to click on the honing button, you get that risk/gambling excitment, and sweet sweet dopamine hit when you finally get your tap, then back to the grind for the next tap
that is the whole gameplay loop, the hard boss fights are not the challenges of the game, they are actually the REWARDS you get to do after you struggle through the honing loop
@@sebastian192 That's the whole point ; you don't have to force yourself into doing whatever. Just stop.
Congratulations you now have control over yourself and what you do ! No thing or person can dictate you. Stop pretending inanimate object and things have control over you ; they don't. Take full responsability for yourself. You get to choose what you do at every moment , magnificient ain't it ?
Now apply this to every aspect of your life and don't forget games too ; you are meant to have fun playing them ;)
That being said, yeah every aspect of every possible modern entertainment tries to get the best of you and this game is no exception. Addiction-inducing activities are all over the world and they're all fighting for YOUR attention. What are you gonna do about it ?
You're gonna learn to direct your attention to where you'd like it to be.
Are you able to remain in the drivers seat ? Or do you become driven by urges and desires ?
Realistically, a bit of both. But as one grows older and wiser, maybe he becomes able to give himself the choice.
Personally I haven't been honing for months in this game. I log on, do a fight I enjoy on a character I enjoy, then proceed to close the game. Fun's been had, let's move on.
Before, people would say not to do drugs, but now everything is drug-like. If you can't learn to manage yourself, you're screwed. Might as well start now
@@gabrielcat72 bro i quit the game last year in may, i am fine tbh. i was just pointing out how the game is set up to game on your brain, doesn't mean im dumb enough to fall for it
@@sebastian192 and im not saying play it, im saying everything is made this way : social media, tv series, games, publicities, radio, pop music, etc...
Literally everything is made to be addictive and steal your attention/time. Choose your poison ^^
i genuinely out of the bottom of my heart wished this game would succeed yet even i found myself quitting, when the game came out i put 50 hours into the game in the span of 3 days and 3000+ hours into the game felt like a choir or as the koreans refer to it "homework" which in itself wouldnt even be a problem, it is quite common for MMOs to cause burnout when there is content drought, however lost ark actively punishes you with its flawed honing system urging you to continue playing without allowing yourself to take a break. I havent played the game in about 4 months and even though id like to return i just feel like it isnt worth it, id have to do so much grinding again to even get to current content that by the time i reach it id be burned out again. it is simply unrealistic to assume a person has so much free-time or even will to play the same game over and over again and also doing the SAME THINGS in it over and over again.
PS: no i wasnt a full f2p player, and neither did i only play a single character, i have had multiple alts in vykas hard.
Jesus, you need to touch some grass mate
Dude... 3000 hours. You could've learn to make your own game in that time and earn good living from it lol.
yeah the game has become even more of a grind with brelshaza now.
real L9 selphie kapparosski
it make sense to me how its an korean game where they just dont give a fuck if you have to play like 6h a day with 6 alts or something. I was never an alt fan in mmorpgs I did in lost ark, hated it very quickly and 1 day I just quit and never logged in again, didnt even plan to quit, just wanted to take a break because it became so exhausting and time consuming.
need a game with lost ark combat but actually good lol
Looking for it too, i dont see any atm
same
Come to BDO, you will never find a new game again..
29:58 It's only very rare that lead directors *actively* know specific problems of the game. Yoshi-P has been asked some of the most specific questions in the past and he managed to answer most of them in the producer live letters, which was a reason he got the popularity. GoldRiver I've heard has done similar sorts, which was why people loved him so much.
For example in FFXIV, you can get special primal mats upon desynthizing/dismantling weapons dropped from the same primal's fight. However, for the longest time, it was never consistent (where some weapons straight up never drop mats via desynth) and overlooked by the dev team until someone brought it up to Yoshi-P. The patch after, every primal that has their special mat now has the ability to drop from their respective weapons.
The biggest issue is how the game forces you to have alts in order to push your main. If I just want to main paladin,why should I be punished? That and thr MASSIVE grind just made it awful after 300+ hours.
My first character in WOW was a human mage named Qzxwy because I was a kid and when I heard over a million players so I thought every "normal" name was obviously already taken so I figured I would come up with something weird no one would ever think of.
my gaming name used to be chungo and i never had a problem with getting that specific name in any game ever, then the big chungus meme happened and i’ll never get that username again without a bunch of numbers behind it it pisses me off
I was a dumb kid and my first death knight was named "Doomkillerso" because of 2 reasons. I was trying to name myself doomkiller, which was taken, so the second reason was to name myself doomkillerson. But I didn't realize that the n on son didnt pop into the username bar because I was out of space. Lmao
I remember when playing the good old dark age of Carmelot I wanted to name my first character on the American servers Theswamp, don't ask me why 😂 I was a dumb kid too.. I was playing magic the gathering at that time and I liked the black mana I guess...
Anyway only when I reached level 49 and it was really a challenge to get there back then.. I realized I made a typo and named it Thwswamp 🤣 omg I really didn't believe I did that but yes.. I was really a dumb kid and am still dumb 😆
I was awful at names as a kid, a rogue named Invisableman, a death knight Arthuswrath, and a Paladin named Holytankadin. But I was reminded of that first one by the alphabet soup names bots have lol
You were a dumb kid. Correction.
For me the number one reason why people quit this game is not bots. It's gatekeeping. Imagine how frustrated people will get if they spent all their resources to build their characters just to get gatekeep because they were not playing meta classes like des, DB, Shadowhunter, Sorc, gun classes (except for Machinist), striker classes.. You can be a 1500 machinist with lv 10 gem and still get gatekeep because people assume machinist can't deal dmg like other classes. Like how Fk up is that
I quit because it started feeling like a job, everything in this game needs to be account bound like WoW and also they need to make it way better for returning players so that we can catch up with the most active players so we can be on the same level.
@@TierHarribel most mmo works like that sadly. Most of them fall into the same concept of "Having to keep adding contents or players will quit" kind of thing. I'm also progressing in my on pace now rather than racing to the end game like others
10% of the game is fantastic
90% of the game is just chores
After a month of brel half of it (its really more) becomes a chore. So 95% if you're keeping up with patch curve
The game is good, but damn this game is TREMENDOUSLY mishandled. The amount of bots, and the rampant RMT problems that the game has is such a bad look for the game. Everyone has been saying this for months, but AGS seems like they're struggling so much on how to regulate these things.
Most of the bots are gone now, havent seen a single bot today on my Server on EUC - Thirain.
After the 200K+ mass bot ban yesterday. The games population went from 320K to 100K
they won't care until the game leave the top 10 steam purchase
@@Startrance85 matter of time them 200k bots are back because they just create new ones and let them bot and ags/smilegate cant do anything against it. maybe in 3 months they again do a mass ban against bots but they keep coming back
@@johannlehmann2358 that havent happend yet, i cant see a single bot on my server checked yesterday and checked back today. No bots anywhere. Checked all major cities and where bots normally stands and nothing.
@@freedomextremist7215 sounds like you are a little too focused on the wrong things bud. Issa game.
Big problem with Korean games ported to the west is that in Korea they have a special social security number they use when making game accounts. This heavily mitigates Botting or hacking as your account is directly related to you. Game then comes to the west, people can make unlimited accounts and engage in Botting etc risk free. This is made worse by the fact that this Western problem is relayed back to Smilegate who now have to try to fix an issue they have little to no experience with.
I just dnt understand why couldn't they just disable gold trade and make it all of in game store more reasonable price
Da fkc u mean? This game also have massive Bot issue in Korea.
@@bunnyfreakz reread the last few sentences
the bots are not even the issue, the daily gameplay loop is just not that fun fomo is at an all time high in lost ark.
@@bunnyfreakz Kr has no bots People just selling their own gold its not even possible to make an bot account there bc you need Your Phone number and you get a phone number with your ID
I loved the game as I played through the story, I enjoyed collecting the mokokos too. But as soon as I got to end game and it just becomes an alt farm I couldn't do it anymore.
Josh said it best: "The game is a great frame for monetisation".
I'm not surprised at all. I'm only surprised it took this long. Every decision made by AGS has been terrible. From the "westernization" of the game including model changes, censorship, and story changes. To changing the gold economy and dealing with bots. This has been one of the most mismanaged games I have ever seen and it has caused me nothing but frustration.
Not gonna lie, it was difficult to finish some quests while leveling a week ago. Imagine getting 10monsters to kill for quest while 30bot sorcs are aoe'ing down the entire map. It literally felt weird 99.9% of the leveling process to be the only one still doing this manually and wasting his lifetime while 2/3 of the game population do it while sleeping.
the biggest problem i have with lost ark is gambling in honing. They can change the honing system to instead of giving chance to succeed to instead give chance to items to drop from bosses/dungeons, that way it gives reason for players to grind and when they get the mats its guaranteed upgrade so it will feel like you accomplished something. Getting mats must be grindy not the upgrading part, as that makes grinding less valuable and lose interest easily as its all gambling and thers no feeling of accomplishment as it was all just luck.
I know how he feels exactly, used to play a Korean game way back in 2005 called Rappelz , the bots farmers and currency inflation killed the game, don’t think it’s still even there , that game was way better than all others for its time, truly sad but Korean games don’t care much some how.
Because they don't need prevention from botting. Your account is tied to your passport ID. You got banned, you got banned forever. You wouldn't be getting second account unless you get it from some homeless dude in need of $.
8:40 for when he finishes "reiterating once again" and actually gets around to the point he was building to for so long
Worst game ever to be released in the WEST. The grind / monetization / BOTTING / gatekeeping and ofc forced alt play killed it forever.
FYI about the catching up to korea thing, if I remember correctly, Roxx said on a call with Stoops that the west will never actually catch up to Korea and that we will be at best like 3 months behind them at all times.
1. they need to change the honing rates in the west (probably to always have at least a 20% chance of success at least especially on older gear)
2. get rid of pheons
3. fix the auction house constant issues
4. Make guardian raids only require 1 time a day. (Give the same amount of reward for completing it once).
5. give more rewards for doing chaos or guardians more than the required amount of times. (this will make ppl who dont want to p2w find a way to catch up to those that do pay money to get ahead). There is honestly no reason to delay progress behind reward gates other than trying to get people frustrated so they can spend money.
"Thanks for reacting to this video, we will forward this and pass this feedback to the dev team" - AGS
The CMs of this game are literally getting paid to copy and paste this under every forum post
I played LA and capped one character and quit after I realized I needed to make alts just to get mats and currencies. Lost ark doesn’t hold a candle to the gameplay and alt management of FFXIV
I remember wanting to get back into it and found a stack of 15+ bots.. farming a mob i needed to kill.. I may come back now.
Don’t, banning the bots didn’t fix anything else the game has problems with, also lots of the bots are already back.
I had 1.2k hours and multiple chars with Vykas Hard on Farm but dropped off a bit to play WOTLK just before Clown released, I got back into the game last week and brute forced my DB to 1490 to try get some Clown and Brel gates.. its practicaly impossible with limited time.
I need to convince a group to carry my ass as I learn the fights and also hope they themselves are capable of doing them too. Unsurprisingly no one wants to do that. I think my only in right now is bump up my Bard to get more leverage and patience on groups but its a ball ache with 1 / 3% hone rates.
Lost Ark is in severe need of a solo practice mode, the only 'practice' is dead as it requires a group which, so far, I have not seen any. I know I can get the gates down with a bit of practice but getting it is incredibly difficult and I think its guna keep players away once they 'fall behind' as I have.
Oh wow it's been a couple months since I last played, and I still somehow got ptsd when you described your own. Too real man.. too real.
Something I don't see players talking about that often when it comes to bots is the corrupt business incentive to keep them around. What do shareholders want in a game they're investing in? They want to see that the game is doing well. The most commonly used metrics within the games industry to determine the success of a game is CCU (Concurrent Users) aka how many players are continually logging into the game to play. There are other key metrics as well such as WAU and MAU (Weekly/Monthly active users). For Lost Ark, bots are making these metrics look better to shareholders. and looking good to shareholders / making shareholders happy is far more important to a company than it's players, because shareholders control the business.
I think they should advertise the bots making a living world with a lot of npcs 😂😂
The bots are not the problem, the main problem is the player base as a player you are not allowed to be human and make mistakes. You are expected to have the best gear, gems, etc and you are expected to use the cookie-cutter talent tree if you don't other players will call you out on it in the middle of a raid. Lost Ark has a very toxic player base and streamers don't make it any better, they make it seem like people can do all of this quickly, and of course, you can your job is to play games and stream it.
Both true
Game play loop is definitely the biggest problem. Blocking progress because my rng for honing was bad. Delaying release of jobs for arbitrary reasons even though a male striker is only slightly different than female striker. My ongoing theory is Lost Ark was a distraction while they work on New World.
New World is dead, it’s gone, it’s not coming back. No one is going back to new world regardless of what happens to it. With the recent expansion it bumped up a bit, people were curious and immediately left.. next content cycle, less people will be curious, and less people the following time, and so on. on top of regulars quitting. I really enjoyed New World 1-60 on launch, that’s it though.
I quit Lost Ark a few months ago. It’s too bad because it was probably the best gaming experience I’ve ever had in terms of raiding content. Running dailies on alts was awful. I wish games would implement endgames similar to the way GW2 does for the casual gamer.
Bots are back. They now have their own guild and have titles and engravings equipped. Evolution at it's finest.
I suppose not having RMT in-game, as in endorsed by the publishers, does help a lot.
Bots in FF14 figured out a way to clip into the map and hide underneath the Limsa plaza aetheryte, even then it matter very little because gil/gold means less in the game than just playing the game.
Love this game allot 🥺 hope they can fix things
A support member was able to tell me about an item I lost which was on a character that I deleted 3 days prior to speaking with them. They notified me the character name, and WHERE it was at the time. (in my storage) They can 100% have all the info of every player and mass ban the bots.
I love lost ark but everytime i think about returning, I always dread the amount of work I need to do to catch up with everyone.
I returned thinking i need to grind. Checked g2g, it's so cheap now.
Depends really. They keep doing events that make it easy to catch up along with even giving out free engravings for 3 months in this current event. My friend started and got one person up to my level without regularly playing and working two jobs. He hasn't even bought anything either.
absolutely loved this game since the launch, THEN i went in holiday for 2 weeks and when i came back i uninstalled it, i checked our discord guild and there were 2 ppl left so everyone did the same thing, so this summer vacation killed the game for 90% of the people i know, the game started to feel like a job after 1 main and 3 alts and i did not have time for anything else, it felt like it was made strictly for streamers...
Not only are they not trying to remove bots but they are actively trying to punish real legit players by the changes they make to try and combat bots that don’t work…
The problem is not the bots, Zeals is missing the point. It's just that the game is too grindy and tedious and because of that many people have stopped playing it. Not everyone is willing to spend hours every day just to do their dailies
I quit when we could no longer trade honing mats with other people, i play with my hudband. It was like we werent really playing together anymore, since there is no way to help someone other than carrying them through dungeons and that ultimately means you cannot play with those who are just your equals, start the same time do the same shit, you always need someone p2w or just much mich stronger. I just dont need that in my life. And the daily parsing of content was the most annoying i have ever experienced.
Mechanically the game is amazing. Engaging and rewarding combat, graphics, music, and the boss encounters are top tier. Once you rapport all the npcs, max your stronghold, and get your ships there's nothing to do in the open world. The gameplay loop then becomes 3 rotating active bosses that give gold/material which need to be cleared on 6 characters each week, 12 chaos dungeons and 12 guardian bosses everyday to stay relevant. As new boss fights emerge the oldest fight is phased out and thats what your left with for a game. 5 min chaos, 5 min guardian raid and your speding 3 to 4 hours/day to maintain your account. On avg it takes about 30mins to kill each boss so 34 hours/week to maintain your account with content that does not change for about 3 hours for the 1 new boss that is released every 6 months. And that new content boss is ideally killed 6 times the first week its released. And now we are waiting for that 1 new boss encounter that will become a chore after its week 1 release for another 6 months.
Go do your adventures tome lol
@@Litmello Done ages ago.
Quit in May when I finished collecting my set from Valtan (Hard). Economy was already starting the downward spiral. Pheons were a nightmare. Most adventure tome progress was 100%. All that was left was chore grinding as the pressure to either RMT or roll 7 farm alts that I don't want to play to keep upgrading.
Who could have predicted this?!
As an NA east player who stopped at T2 and just returned to the game. I've been running around for about a week now and haven't seen a single other player on my main server and saw one guy on my alt server
I enjoyed Lost Ark when it first came out, in early access, there were no bots because you had to buy some shit, it was great, the campaign was nice, some really memorable instances like capturing the castle and other iconic fights. You then explore the islands, do the content... At this stage you are only playing one character, it is great, you find your mokoko seeds, doing your islands and other shit...
Then the game ends and not only do you get a treadmill, it is a treadmill you have to repeat 6 times to be "optimal" and you are hit with a tsunami of FOMO.
It was so hard for me to finally kick everyone out of my guild and uninstall, but it was great, after that short withdrawal period I was like... holy shit, I have so much free time, what happened... oh yeah, I cut that LA crap out that was just sponge for my free time. I have no regrets.
I am really anti-MMOs now, the realisation that they lure you in with a lie, all those quests and exploration, that is just to hook you in, I think any game where the "end-game" is radically different to the level process is false advertising and we just get lazy content creation in the end, just obnoxious moronic things to waste our time doing, shit we wouldn't accept a paying job to do something that monotonous.
started playing lost ark again, ive played today 11 hours just exploring & collecting mokokos etc. ive seen exacctly 2 real players in this 11 hours. among probably thousand of bots, there were only 3 real players. shit is so depressing it geniuenly feels wrong to come back to this game. even in places like vern castle, there was literally no players.
(i also dont believe my server is too dead, playing on calvasus on euc)
Lost Ark was a Pay 2 Win Grindfest. You knew that before the game released in the west. These ppl jumped into it and are now upset that they aren't changing the games Fundamental Design.
That's like getting into a relationship with somebody and hope u can change them into something better or different. It doesn't work.
Too aggressively monetized for me, and a truly confounding number of crafting materials and currencies. Confusing, and irritating. I was good after the first week of playing.
Just got back in the game and boooooooooyyyyyyy tell me why there's nobody doing guardian raids anymore. Game is dying.
On top of some of the game issues, gatekeepers are super prominent even on alt runs and it just gets too tedious trying to get in raids. Plus a support shortage. I still play but I don't finish half my stuff and I get bored fast.
Lost Ark real playerbase getting closer and closer to New World. Feelsbadman
People are getting tired of terrible games
Well its AGS published game and AGS game
The issue with lost ark is that the things that make the game bad makes them money. I always said that if they made it so you only had to do one chaos and one guardian per character the game would be so much better. But If they did that it would disincentivize people to spend money. They create a problem to sell you a solution like *"You don't like running all those dungeons. That's fine just spend money"*
lots of bots, lots of pheons, yep
I've spend >2000 hours and stopped playing back in september. I think this was a good decision while I do not feel bad about the time I've spend in the game. Having a good time. But on one point the inflation started hitting so hard that it did not really felt worth playing anymore. I remember the time when crystals where 200 Gold. I never spend money to push my characters - it was all played - and still had six characters always ready for current content and well equiped. It feld still well balanced if you just spend a lot of time till may/june. I played on daily basis and always had my costs covered by myself. But with the inflation increasing drastically in july/august it did not feel rewarding anymore. Crystal prices explode. RMT was 1 Million Gold for 200 EUR and nobody gets banned. So endgame is all about making gold or get stuff that is worth gold. And like asmon says: Why doing all stuff twice per character. I started playing doing my stuff all 3 days because I really didnt want to do that loop anymore. To a point i stopped playing.
Hands down best gameplay and combat of any ARPG. Its sad they cant fix the core issues.
I just started playing Lost Ark again and its rough. Right before the bot ban they were every where (Haven't really noticed as many now). Finding people to do group content can take quite a while and even when doing that content many of the newer players have no idea how any of the fights or mechanics work which can lead to wipes. Then you get people who will instantly vote quit after one wipe. It's extremely rough. It makes trying to get to the end game content is so rough. Especially with everything that goes into improving your character. The grind is absolutely rough.
So much wasted potential.......... it really saddens me, as i see the amazing potential this game has.
Bots literally made my whole experience just horrible in the end , 1500 hours , 9 alts at tier 3 , 3 of which are 1415-1510 and I just miss the beginning of the game , now it’s just not fun and appealing . Bots are everywhere. Super sad, community is toxic as well but that goes for any game honestly
If only they released more servers in SEA, they'll pretty much make that 200,000 'player' count to actual player count. I live in Manila and I was one of the people looking forward that they'll open up a server here, it was seriously saddening that most of the people from my region won't be able play this wonderful game without using VPNs and 450-500ms
But
1. I live in Makati and have 180ms, more than playable cause of ping compensation
2. You don't need a VPN once the game is in your library
Have u try eu server ? I can get 200ms with mobile tethering from Indonesia, if i can use my VPN probably could be lower , but my VPN didnt work for lost ark lol
I quit a after 1 month when the game left more like a job.
And it was the worst paying job ever. Gameplay loop of Lost Ark was absolutely 100% shit after the "honeymoon" period where you didn't know.
Lost Ark is a game of extremes. The positive aspects are absolutely amazing, likewise the negative aspects are absolutely horrible, and there isn't a whole lot in the middle of the two.
I noticed the chats on these most recent uploaded videos are very delayed, besides that good content as usual 👍
When you make as a developer a game that if you bot you can make profits with currency conversion, then the problem are not the bots, the problem is the game.
Spent over 3k hours NA west 234roster lvl. Convinced my friends to play Not only bots ruin the game Amazon also put handicap on real players by limiting auction/market use by 20 per roster. We love the game but it’s not fun to play anymore with these problems specially for new players. Time to play different game I guess.
Hey, if you're making money from this poor guy, post his RUclips video in your description below or don't use the video to make money out of him...
Just started to play the game and it's so hard to find a group for the weekly dungeons/raids. I like the game but it's not fun to be in a 30mins Q to end up not even doing it
I'm nearing the 4500 hour mark myself and I got to say it's still a fantastic ride. Thing is, it's fundamentally a Korean MMO. You need to get enjoyment out of the very slow and arduous progression your characters make after devoting a very long time. Nearly all Korean MMO's function like this in order to keep up to date with Content. That's very simply how they operate, and have since the early days of Ragnarok Online where P2W wasn't even a viable option. If you don't get enjoyment out of that, then it's easy to imagine someone getting burnt out and it feeling like a second job just to get by. To be frank, it practically is.
After a year, you would expect AG to provide a free ticket that allows new players to powerpass their new character to 302 without playing the main story (Obviously, this can be abused which is why we don't have it and we have the choice to spend money to powerpass if you're a new player or wait until they gave one with limitations).
And most player usually quit or stopped while in the main storyline, but never had the chance to play with the infamous honing system because players are doing their own thing. They either enjoy the story and play whatever they want or get drawn away due to the fact you have to finish the main storyline that usually takes 20+ hours (give or take) to do actual content.
After playing for 400 hours, it was difficult to level up your main and the common way is to have multiple alts at 1300+ to feed your main (Excluding events).
I recently came back to lost ark 2 days ago and noticed there was a heavy decline in players doing tier 1 and tier 2 content and its fairly active at tier 3 content. Since I couldn't get into a randomize group during matchmaking (Since I powerpassed my arcana to 302 and hit 600 today) and when I did the guardian raid challenges or trails, its usually 1300-1400 gs players.
Gold inflation hit so hard that you have to give 2-3k gold for 95 blue crystals when I played, it was only 300-400 gold.
Bots are swarming even much more worse and I start seeing them in tier 1-3 areas. (Luterra, Yorn, and Punika)
Its truly unfortunate how lost ark was handled by AG and why my friend told me it was a dying game after seeing it myself. It was a fun game (Except their honing sysfem and I still have nightmares about). The more I played the game, I noticed changes to the abyssal raids and especially the tier 1 brel raid where the lights aren't straight, but in a cone shape to make it easier for players.
As always, when AG touches something, it withers to nothing.
TDLR:
- Not friendly to new players due to timegated main storyline. With no opinion to skip the mainstory entirely without paying for powerpass.
- Repetitive task and grinding
- Botting and gold inflation
- Lack of tier 1 and 2 players in NA East.
It’s crazy how you need 200$ or more to buy your class engravings
Much bigger issue, at least in EU, are the disconnects. In every raid you fail at least once because someone disconnects in the middle of the try.
I mean Bots are annoying yeah, gold inflation is real and it should be fixed asap. But there are also upsides like cheap gems or remember when grudge books where 8k a piece? But the DCs are just bad in every way.
Either Lost Ark is your job, or you use your Job to progress Lost Ark.
No wonder most quit…
I made it to 1475 and 1445 on all 5 alts for Kakul and tried coming back after a few months break last week and server disconnected 6 times during G1 of Valtan. Nearly ever other party member DC’d at some point to where the lobby eventually quit. I have uninstalled and don’t plan to come back.
i have been playing with these disconnects like that for 1,5 months until i uninstalled... this game can seriously go to hell.. never played a game with this many problems..and even without these problems its way too grindy and burns anyone out who tries to play this without putting a shit ton of money in...and then amazon/smilegate puts the biggest effort in to even make the most dedicated players quit
(i was 1490 on multiple chars even.. almost 2000 hours played)
Tried it out..felt like a phone game with all the casino sounds. Was the best eastern mmo I've ever played, but that doesn't mean much. Gameplay was smooth, but isometric camera just irks me.
just look at how inactive the steam discussion forum is. the more players a game has, the more discussion posts are made daily. lost ark had a player count of "200k" but has the discussion activity of around an 8k player game at most. Its crazy how many bots there are.
It's inevitable to take breaks from this game from time to time. Now is simply a good time to take a break now that brel is out.
The reason why I quit LA: The dialogues. I couldn't stand a single word from a Npc.
Let's keep it that way
That was one of the reasons I quit New World... I can't believe Amazon can't hire a GM for their MMOs... It is stupid
Ironic that Zeals moans about the game, but on the other hand is putting thousands of pounds into AGS's pocket
i quit the game late last year when the auction error started occuring. it was frustrating wasting so much time just buying consumables...
I played HARD for like 2 weeks. Got like over 120 hours in 2 weeks. But something just clicked. I started to see the chore-ness of the game. And without hesitation I just dropped it and haven't looked back.
850 hours in i realized it felt more like a chore than anything. the playerbase was one of the least technically gifted i ever played online games with. needing to repeat the same simple bosses over and over and cosuming items because some players had no grasp of the mechanics. and the final straw was farming for 2 months to get 0 honings. all the guild leaving the game was just bonus.
For every player there are 4 bots! lol
Rip your comment got stolen by a bot and pinned too.
I’d say 10 bots for every one player so towns and maps you don’t even see a real player all bots
Solutions for bot accounts 😃 Maybe every time you log in or fast travel you appear inside a small randomized hedge maze that is easy to get through for humans but hard for bots. Also the entrances to a town could have changing entrances like the moving stairs in Harry Potter.
This video hits on all the points for why I quit playing. Random disconnects during raids, which leads to losing weekly raid chance. Out of control bot situation that destroyed the AH. Repetitive game loop: 2x chaos, 2x guardians, etc on multiple characters. RMT making guild pvp unfair.
Hey,everyone I am Taiwanese. There is a news today about Lost Ark announcing the postponement the day before the public beta, because China wants to suppress the Taiwan market
I played Lost Ark for 300+ hours after release. Amazing game, except for one small hitch. It was great to linearly go through the game getting gear and upgrading it. Up until the point where the game really forced one to buy to have such upgrades ( p2w ). Until then it was super casual fun...not sure if the game further balances how casual players play the game by giving them certain gear with ilvl for free. It did at the EU release but somehow I've gotten tired of hoping that this will be the standard for player retention. If Lost Ark made money on some sort of battle pass system ( which they added to the game and I just stopped playing) and only cosmetic stuff I would be fine with it even if they couldn't be bought at auction. It was one of the few games that had balanced PVP or rather would have if people weren't allowed to use potions and stuff like that. And the same is true for PvE content.
holy shit, that guy could have said all of that in 2 minutes
I had like 3k hours in the game. Its a KR grindfest for sure. The 'do the same thing' every day, followed by, 'do this one thing' a couple times a week makes the game feel like a waste of time. FOMO is not fun.
I am not surprised at all this game is dying. Well deserved and good riddance
I quit after the first raid was impossible with randoms. Ridiculous, that a artillerist is able to dodge shit but every one else is just running into the red
about time
Another factor to this is that a lot of regions are blocked from playing the game, mainly SEA. I'm still bitter from the fact that I waited years and years for it to get a global release but then I get region blocked coz Amazon doesn't care about SEA players for some reason. I still played the game when it launched using VPN (thousands of SEA players did) and managed to reach end game with a constant 200 - 300 ping (sometimes it would peak at 900 when raiding with a party). The game pretty much became unplayable at that point since I can't do PvP and boss raids efficiently due to high ping. It's such a shame coz there's a lot of SEA players that whales in MMORPGs and don't mind this kind of gameplay loop.