What's our LEAST favourite AGE OF SIGMAR armies? | Warhammer AoS
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- Опубликовано: 30 янв 2024
- It's time to do some more ranking.... this time out its our bottom 5 Warhammer Age Of Sigmar armies!
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This week we rank and discuss our bottom 5 Warhammer Age of Sigmar armies and why they are in the bottom 5! Be sure to leave us a comment with what you think of our reasoning and also some armies that you arent fond of!
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We apologise for how juvenile that out take at the end is 😂 18:45
It shows you have" at least a sense of fun " similar to what used to be at the end of movies ( like cannonball , Jackie chan movies ) juvenile sure butt funny😁
Need a whole blooper reel of every out take!
We're going to upset some people with this one 😅
Shut up, me.
Shut up, you
Yeah. Shud up!
Fyreslayers are really under appreciated, probably because they don't have the same model range as other armies do. They came out with AoS1 release as far as I know, and short of a Underworlds and Warcry infantry warband, the endless spells, and a couple of hero models, haven't changed. They desperately need something like a mid sized cavalry and ranged artillery unit to bring them in line with the rest of the armies. The theme of the army is cool (or Hot!!) and has a lot of potential, but because of the limited model range you only ever see them one way.
Yes, I agree with you for the most part. Fyreslayers have some awesome lore, some of the best in the setting if you ask me. But their model range is SO lacking.
However, there are 2 points id disagree with you on. You said that see them only built one way. That's not entirely true. You see their lists built one of two ways. Either the standard infantry focused builds with lots of Heroes, or "Oops All Magmadroths" without much in-between.
Also, sorry for being a pedant about my second point, but they don't have "Endless Spells", they have Invocations which are basically "Endless Prayers" your point still stands, I just wanted to make the distinction.
It's all super foot soldier heavy, any cavalry or juvenile dragon tamers or something. There's so much scope, let's hope they get some more love in AoS4!
@@the_kieran_show The Warcry Warband we got a few months ago *are* the juvenile salamander tamers. And they're the best Fyreslayers models we've gotten since they launched in 1st Edition. So GW *can* make cool stuff for them, but they just haven't yet. I'm hoping they get love in either 4th edition or maybe GW pulls put an expansion for them at the 11th hour in Dawnbringers book 6.
If you're not aware, the Dawnbringers series is essentially the AoS equivalent to Arks of Omen. A series of 6 books with new models that are released in the lead-up to the end of the edition.
If you don't absolutely love the new Cities models, you are just wrong. 😂
Agree the range like many of AOS1 armies just wasn’t fully fleshed out.
I wish there was a more "Fantasy" Dwarf army, more akin to the Hobbit Dwarves from Lotr. It would break my bank!
The Fantasy ones in Cities are pretty cool but definitely show their age a bit!
As a child of the horned rat, I am very sad about the collective skaven hate, BUT, I am willing to let it go if you guys make some more aos content.... Some skaven mby???😉
With AoS 4 round the corner, if the rumours are true you could see them sooner rather than later!
As someone who put skaven on his top 5, I do get why they don't sit well because you can tell that a lot of their models haven't been updated since Warhammer fantasy and they even have the catachan level paintjob on the GW shop(Looking at you Ratling Gunners) and if you're not into the rat thing it just kills the army.
Be interesting to see if with a refresh they move out of Left Kieran's bottom 5. They will always be in Right Kieran's purely from a personal thing...
When Slaves to Darkness wasn't on your top-5's, I knew it was going to be here lol. How dare...how absolute dare 😁
It was a mistake and we acknowledged it! 😂
@the_kieran_show hahaha, as long as you acknowledge that 😆. In all fairness, you got the rest of the list right...humans, ginger dwarves, hot air balloon dwarves, rats...Im on board with the rest of your bottom list 😁
The shock on non-glasses Kieran at Glasses Kieran Cities of sigmar choice!
CoS are super cool so I agree with the surprise
(Sorry for not knowing a better way to differentiate you guys)
The irony is we both technically wear glasses, he just wears contacts hahaha
Thanks again for this, I've been *loving* the AoS content and Im excited for the prospect of more on the horizon! I think you had mostly fair takes across the board, but here are my least favorites.
1: Skaven- The *only* reason they're here right now is because of wasted potential, if they get a massive, and I do mean *MASSIVE* refresh in their model range and an update to their gameplay, they'll probably enter my top 5 or come *very* close to it. But right now, no, you cant make me spend GW prices on these sculpts that are old enough to buy alcohol.
2: Sons of Behemat- Only 6 units(I don't count the formation of 3 Mancrushers as a different unit) boring gameplay. The only things that keep them from being my least favorite are King Brodd, and their lore. They have some funny creation myths and the backstory of Behemat and his death are really cool, but thats all background for an otherwise uninteresting faction.
3: Ogor Mawtribes- A somewhat interesting faction kneecapped by its againg sculpts. I havent played this army much, but from what I've heard its a real slot machine on how good your charge rolls are. There are some interesting Lore nuggets if you look hard enough, like Overtyrants, Ogors so large they rival the size of Great Unclean Ones. But we dont have models for them yet so that point is pretty moot. If they got a refresh/expansion, they'd be more interesting, but I still doubt I'd collect the army.
4: Beasts of Chaos- Why did GW label the 3rd edition lore "The Era of the Beast" and not give Beasts of Chaos a range refresh? I know that its because they wanted to put Destruction at the forefront of the narritive and every matched play season was in Ghur, the Realm of Beasts. But still! It would have been the *perfect* opportunity and they squandered it. I will never forgive GW for such a poor decision. Because BoC *NEEDS* a refresh. Their sculpts are OLD!!! They *desperately* need to shuffle those models off to the Old World retirement home where they belong. Their lore is intentionally vague so I can't fault it that much, but it could be alot better. But at least their 3rd edition book is *very* fun to play, with alot more list tech than most books and Rituals of Ruin are a SLAM DUNK for me personally. GW had better find a way to keep them going into 4th edition, even if they remove the system of Heroic Actions.
5: Fyreslayers- Another case of wasted potential. Their lore is genuinely some of the best in the setting, a bunch of Dwarves searching for the shattered fragments of their lost god of battle. Burning those same shards into their skin to draw upon his power to the point it becomes addictive. All while selling their services as mercenaries because those same fragments are indistinguishable from regular gold to anyone else but them. That is SUCH a cool story concept! Why hasn't GW made any new kits for them that aren't just heroes and their new Warcry Warband?! Before I learned about their lore, I would have rated them *much* lower. There are some creative ways they *can* be painted or modeled, I've seen people do "Frostslayers" in cold, icy blue tones. Or "Ashslayers," which keep the red/orange mohawks, but gives the Dwarves charcoal skin and glowing eyes like they're 40K Salamanders. I even played against one mad-lad at a GT(my first GT) who kitbashed his *entire* Fyreslayers army with Old Warhammer Fantasy/Cities of Sigmar Dwarf kits so that they had armor, or at least pants of some kind, while still keeping the runes. But in spite of all those cool and creative painting/modeling choices, their lack of diversity in the base kits really *is* their Achilles Heel, in both modeling and gameplay.
If you read my giant paragraphs, thank you! I always appreciate it! If not, I understand, but either way, let me reiterate that I'm happy to see the AoS videos and I'm excited for more!!!
We read every comment! It's always great to see the passion that comes from people and we love to see peoples reasons!
We've had a really great response to the tiny bit of AoS content so its totally going to stay in the mix!
@@the_kieran_show Glad to hear it!
Most of the armies in this video are among my favorite! I'm not that huge into Fyreslayers either (although with a FEC type revamp they'd be amazing I think), but Karadron visually look so ace, and Cities are :chef's kiss:. Really curious to see how the Skaven revamp will look like!
All in all fun video!
Yeah, I think some of these would climb out of these bottom 5 with a range refresh!
Id love the idea of Stormcast vs Sylvaneth!! But I suppose we have to be realistic lol. Although I have heard rumors and now paired with a new rumor engine, Sylvaneth will finally be getting a new warcry or underworlds team, so Im looking forward to that.
Its definitely Skaven for the launch box though. As old as some of those models are, Im honestly surprised they havent had a range refresh much sooner. Also is no coincidence that a lot of their models are still out of stock and probably will remain out of stock for a while up until the announcement of AoS 4th edition at Adepticon. I think there is a total of 8 kits for sale and 3 are online only. I recently just sold my skaven half of the echoes of doom box set for $150 because they are in that much of a demand.
Yeah it will be interesting to see what gets announced! 😃
You just need to remember that not all Games Workshop games and models are made or designed by the same people. The AoS team is separate from the 40k team and then you have a third one, the Specialist games team. Underworlds and games such as Blood Bowl fall under the Specialist Team. Warhammer Old World as well. Just as you pointed out, Underworlds minis sometimes look better than the actual faction's range, that's why. They are free to explore niche themes and sculpts and I definitely agree with you, some factions are meh but the smaller releases look great.
Yeah there are separate teams for all the miniatures. The fantasy team just seem to have more freedom to run away with imagination
GW did a Penguin paint video of the Herdstone at Christmas, and it was truly the best thing I've seen them make.
Oh that sounds amazing 😂😂
Beast of Chaos and Skaven are both super old ranges so that's probably why you don't like them. I played both of them during 6th edition of Warhammer Fantasy so I have nostalgia for them. Good thing is that Skaven refresh should be coming with AoS 4.0.
Yeah we will do another one of these again further down the line after some refresh's and see if anything moves around!
The beastmen kill team looks so great, I can’t wait to see what a beasts of chaos range refresh would look like
Yeah hopefully it will be special!
F to pay respects
Really hard to pick bottom 5 as the models in AOS are all pretty strong but if I had to pick:
1. Daughters of Khaine (sure you’re not chaos?)
2. Idoneth Deepkin (Don’t get it)
3. Kharadron Overlords (Just a bit too weird)
4. Blades of Khorne (Too much like World Eaters)
5. Beasts of Chaos (Cool idea needs improvement)
But what I’ve found coming into AOS is how great the range is and the community! There’s definitely something for everyone, totally agree the designers clearly get to be more creative, which is great and they focus on multiple factions not just Space Marines.
Truthfully the first time I saw Daughters of Khaine I was like "oh cool chaos ladies".... So feel that
you hurt my souls when you said SKAVEN!!! xD
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Stormcast v Ogors for me. Ogor pirates or something thematic would be cool.
Beasts in the style of the new Beastlord or the Underworld warband would be cool but lots of talk about them leaving AOS and being pushed into TOW.
Oooooh that's a great shout! An Ogre refresh would be lovely.
@@the_kieran_show They can't be far off a refresh now Seraphon and COS have had theirs. Skaven seem like a banker this summer and Beasts dropping into TOW will hopefully see an Ogres update 2025?
10:14 Damn he hated tye beastmen so much that he got them temoved from the setting
Yeah poor one out for the beastmen players that lost their game system 🫠🫠🫠
Slaves of darkness just got some very nice new models 😊
They totally did! The lizard dragon thing is insanely cool
AOS challenges d6 painting your bottom 5 vanguard box with 6 you can pick a model of your choice. then can reward by doing top 5
Great idea!
The lack of Boneslpitters is deeply concerning...
Sorry! 😁
I hope you noted these for your next AoS start collecting challenge 😂😂
Haha Wheel Of Misfortune 2 is going to be wild 😂
Ahhh you guys love the content. Please keep the sigmars coming. Skaven painting challenge when?
If they are in the launch box for new AoS then it will happen!
Not everyone will like every faction for some reason or other,but tastes differ and that's a good thing, while I've got a few stormcast ( via stormbringer mag ) they look like medeval Oscars mixed with cheesy sci-fi villain robots it doesn't mean i won't paint them, all the dwarves look like failed concept designs for the hobbit 'bofa' but i won't begrudge anyone who loves the aesthetic ( and yes I painted a blooming army of the little buggers for the lotr game years ago 😱)i could go on with every army but some are just fun to paint
Totally right, its such a privilege in this hobby to be have so much choice that you make these kinds of lists!
The Skaven range needs a refresh they are all old Fantasy models and some are Really old Fantasy models (Globadeers).
Be interesting to see what the refresh looks like (if it is happening)
Loved the laughs at the end...thanks. I hate it when your army is doing really well...and then you get the "bottom feels", as your army tumbles to the bottom of the meta, after rules nerfs and changes or you just lose game after game.
Yeah that’s always a feels bad 😅
I have to disagree on skaven... I think they desperately need a refresh but they are so cool (swarm of insane rats with as insane tech and mutagens coming for ya). I really hope they are in the new edition 🙏🏻 I got into them from Total War Warhammer series though as what they could be, rather than what the models are currently now 😅
Yeah we've seen A LOT of love for Skaven so we are totally in the minority...
I agree, the Skaven have alot of potential. Not just for a range refresh, I want to see brand new units. Because in the lore, they have airships that they use to fight the Kharadron Overlords. The last Dawnbringers story featured what is basically a Skaven Dreadnought. They have *SO* much potential for straight up new units that I'd much rather see some of those get made than simply a refresh of some of the existing models.
Plus, the Great Horned Rat is the 5th Chaos God and is canonically more powerful than Slaanesh right now because they've been imprisoned by the Elven Gods. So he should have some Daemons outside the Verminlords. Skaven have alot of potential but MAN has GW not done much of anything with them.
My launch starting armies I’d pick would be skaven vs. Skaven
Imagine hahaha
Well it be more interesting then any sigmarine vs. Something box😂
MegaGargant riding piggy back. Mounted Gargant done.
:D
1) sons of behemat
2) skaven
3) cities of sigmar
4) maggotkin of nurgle
5) blades of khorne
there were some other factions where i dont like any of the models, but the concepts seem interesting or unique e.g. kharadron overlords or ogor mawtribes
A fair take for sure! It's nice seeing someone agree with us on Skaven though. There doesn't seem to be many on this comment section 😂
@@the_kieran_show im pretty new to the hobby, so i have zero nostalgia, and rats don't really tickle my fancy- lizards on the other hand....
I'm with him on the not liking people, I love painting and playing fantasy stuff Humans have never tickled my pickle. How dare you not like Kharadrons, steampunk floaty dwarves are brilliant.
“Humans have never tickled my pickle” that sounds truly awful 😂
9:00 it's the balls.
Just don't understand 😭
I love skaven for the same reason I love orks. Their lore is wacky and I prefer the comic-relief factions.
Iron Jawz are definitely a better version of orks though
Interesting. When I played Warhammer, I know I keep mentioning this, 30 years ago, I did not collect Beastmen or Skaven. Perhaps it is because my when I started playing Warhammer 10 years prior to giving it up, I was all about the realms and races of Tolkien, so orcs, dwarves, elves, men, goblins, Ents....these were acceptable and 'right' to me. I was going to buy Cities of Sigmar before they revamped it, but now I am not interested as I wanted to try to create an Empire theme again, but Warhammer (old world) is back so I can build an Empire army. Dwarves are number 1, but not in AoS I don't like the Overlords or the Fireslayers, but I want to get a dwarf army for Warhammer (old world). Spiders are my 'not nice' and someone painted some awesome LOTR spiders and they were so life like I was both in awe and not happy!! 😂😂Bottom feels...... 🤔🤔😂😂
It sounds like you're spoilt for choice on Old World armies and totally against AoS fantasy themes! 😂 Keep us posted when you make your decision, I've (left Kieran) been building my Border Princes Old World force this week, rank and file square bases are alot of fun!
@@the_kieran_show I am having to rebuild the Warhammer armies as I sold it all!!😔😔
Fyreslayers range has been in aos for too long to be that boring and limited. Their main problem is that GW took one unit out of fantasy (berserkers) and decided to make an army out of it
Just some cavalry! Something, give them anything 😂
12:12 what why Skaven?
Cuz ratz and mices
Kharadron 😭😭😭😭 the balloons are the best part!!!
We've got an Aos painting tier list coming out really soon, perhaps we were a little harsh. But it's so hard to pick! 😭
@@the_kieran_show what drew me to KO originally was the subversion of dwarves as an idea. Putting dwarves in the sky is so freaking awesome, especially when you consider how AOS kinda just shakes up normal fantasy tropes
This one's going in the book *scribble scribble*
😂😂
So guys... what's the mass of yellow on the table behind you 👀
It's Kieran's leftover Christmas cheese.
Slaves to darkness are my favourite faction. But I also love the Warcry tribes and monsters. Not a fan of the the ever chosen or the manticore
It's such a so so faction for us! Archaon alone is one of the best minis in AoS.
Your bottom 5's are some of my top 5's......yet...you wear a Motorhead shirt....why do you play with my heartstrings like this😂
Well that makes up for it 😉
stormcast vs chaos dwarves
Hot take!
Can you hear that? It’s the sound of the angry goats coming to get you! 🐐
BRING IT
If everyone liked the same thing the hobby would be a poor thing, indeed. Can't begrudge you too badly, but a joined bottom-feel of #1? From now on I'll have to paint my Clanrats with their eyes closed so they never have to see this video.
Just because you've said bottom-feel we can bump it up to #2 but exclusively for you.
Ha worst or least liked AoS armies/models for me:
5. Slaves to Darkness. I hoped for a better mix of Daemons and mortals, but it is just mortals with Daemonprinces. The only 'big box' I regret buying. I only use it's new Deamon Prince in my Nurgle army.
4. Fire Slayers, I'm not a dwarven player.
3. Cities of Sigmar: If I wanted to play humans, I'd be playing Napolionatic wars or Roman legions, I don't, now you know why.
2. Ogres, got them, they are the most boring, uninspired all monopose models.
1. Son's of Behemat: Well simply put, I'm a gamer first and foremost, not a painter. And if I know that, for a friendly game, you the a-hole of the group wants to play his toornament only sons of B, I'm avoiding you. Sure, I can make an army that defeats SoB most of the time, but it will be useless against anyone else. This army does not belong here.
Totally agree with cities!
The new edition is definitely skaven, no chance it’s not
Yeah all but confirmed now!
I'm 2 min in and these takes feel spicey already 😅
Apologies in advance then 😂😂
Nurgle, Cities and Ratmen! Right hand side Kieran is coming for the fan faves with zero mercy.
I think mine would be
1. Fyre Slayers (too samey)
2. Snorecast (too space mariney)
3. Beasts of Chaos (make them make sense)
4. Lumineth (too cocky)
5. KO (I despise steam punk)
Sorry to say it but the best model is the stonehorn the coolest one
Yeah The Stonehorn is wild!
Yelling "Doesn't matter kitbash" is the most AoS hobby statement. Also bold move making the objectively most beloved AoS faction #1
I like to imagine kitbashing is like the episode in the Simpsons when Homer makes 'Le Grille'
if it aint weird it aint right
@@the_kieran_show
Used to have a rat as a pet lovely animal if it was still alive I’d cosplay her 😃
Nawwww
No one in Scunthorpe is called Charles 😂
Thank goodness, back to rinsing Charles 😂
(toxic internet opion)
Skaven as least favourite faction... speaking as somebody who doesn't collect Skaven himself, despite that I do still have to question if you even like Warhammer if you don't like Skaven. The single most Warhammer thing, arguably the only Warhammer thing, as everything else is just a nicked idea from somewhere else.
(the reasonable human being opinion)
Like what you like, dislike what you dislike. I think Skaven are great though. They truly embody both the horror and the humour of Warhammer best to me, even if I prefer playing/painting Tzeentch and Lizardmen.
Agree, like what you like!
You mentioned some of the best armies here, and some of the worst on the video with top favorite😂
Hey we're only human! 😂
eeeh as I sad in the other coment, the video is still cool, but you knew you were gona trigger some people with this XD, I kinda enjoyed talking to the screen everytime you mentioned another army XD
@@the_kieran_show
Neither of you likes steampunk sky pirate dwarves? I am shocked. Shocked, I tell you!
It is really hard to make a bottom 5 for AoS though. I can see myself collecting 23 of the 24 factions. The only one I really don't like at all are Blades of Khorne.
We've got an AoS painting tier list coming out soon, we dive into KO a little more. Perhaps this was harsh, but as you said 23/24 armies are wicked!
Heresy on the #1 picks.
The rat lovers are out in force! 😭
Skaven at the bottom?... Get deep, deeeeep in the bin 😂
NOOOOO
Here for the bottom feels
Bottom feels 😭
I would say my least 5 would be:
5. cities of Sigmar
-> not my cup of tea
4. Ogor Mawtribes
-> idk it’s just a bit basic to me
3. beasts of chaos
-> not a range that would get me right now, hopefully they get more love
2. blades of Khorne
It’s just not speaking to me, basic bad dudes with big blades
1. Skaven
Sadly they are a bit off in AoS they just not shining, they are very grey and old range. Idk they give not a lot to the setting right now, don’t like the lore right now. Yeah very sad, but for me Skaven aren’t at a good place right now.
At leat some people agree with us about Skaven.... hahaha
@@the_kieran_show I think right now it’s not possible to rate them better, they could be better if GW would do anything with them 😅 they have potential.
Dwarfs are my top fantasy people. But KO and Fyreslayers are also my top 3 worst AoS Armies, it’s so sad!!!!!
See someone else gets it!
As a fellow Dwarves player in every game. I like the kharadron overlords because of the steampunk dwarf armor, the balloons thing could definitely be better tho. I LOVED slayers in fantasy but a whole faction of them needs more variety
My least favorites with a bit of the mick taking.
5. Blades of Khorne - They're all too samey. It's all angsty red bois running around with axes... No nuance.
4. Idoneth Deepkin - Elves riding flying fish... the quintessential definition of jumping the shark.
3. Lumineth Realm-lords - More elves; this time after hitting the souvenir shop at a rodeo.
2. Sons of Behemat - Like Kieran said; giant man-babys
1. Orruk Warclans - Or more accurately, the updated stuff. Sorry GW, those are not Orcs, those are hobgoblins, and hobgoblins SUCK!
Sooooo looking forward to my Rattie-rats getting the spotlight in the next edition, yes yes! We already number well over 300; plenty of room for more, yes yes! ;D
tbf, ironjaws are very much orks
@@kelakogreenaddict1888 Yes, as are the Savage Orruks. It's the new ones that came out in the latest edition that I can't stand.
@@BlizzAz kruleboys- fair enough
We argue about Kruleboyz ALL THE TIME. I (left Kieran) really love them, other Kieran absolutely doesn't.
Bottom 5 AoS: 1. Hedonites of Slaanesh(DEATH TO SLAANESH! It's personal) 2. Sons of Behemat($$$ too big, too much skin) 3. Fyreslayers (too boring) 4. Lumineth (too complicated) 5. Gloomspire Gitz(wanted to like them but I hate them)
There is some takes there 😅😂
Ok 1st thing, super interesting video, dont get me wrong, im still gona like ...mmbut...I know this is a personal opinion but Jeeesus do I dissagree with both, in top 5 favorite armies you metioned lumineth one of the worst armies and here you start with magotkin?😂😂😂 Jeez
We thrive on adversity 😂
Finally someone else who sees how boring cities of sigmar is
Amen
Nighthaunt didn't make either list! Forever mid! 😂
Hey we like Nighthaunt! They just happen to be sat in the mid board 😂
@@the_kieran_show lol truth! I have accepted my mid spooky ghost children 🫂
bottom feels 🤣
😅😅😅
Guys, Skaven whilst looking like butt and so desperately in need of a refresh the lore for them is absolutely hilarious. They're wee mad scientists who despise being alive and just want to eat everything and lots of warpstone (fantasy cocaine rocks). But yeah real life rats are yucky
Hopefully that range refresh comes out!
Lol this brings no actual nuance to the discussion, its just shitting on armies often with no reason or justification
You assumed we're bringing a thought through argument to these videos?!
This channel is dead to me.
🤣🤣🤣
So 1) do not impose emotion on others and 2) don’t focus on feelings. You both have your opinions and if someone else gets mad, that’s their problem. You have your reasons too. That’s all fair. Coming off feeling based gives validation to those who whine and cry when you dislike something they love. Just my opinion. I do have to agree with the Slayers army. It’s just one angry dwarf who brought a bunch of mirrors
It’s all just everyone’s passion 😁