Will card CT scanning be the death of Sealed wax?
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- CT scanning has really leveled up in a very short period of time in just a few weeks it went from this is impossible to people now offering the service for a few dollars.
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Goldin uses the tech right now to authenticate sealed items. On the streaming series they used it on first gen iphone to validate that an actual iphone was in the sealed package and actually found one item that was re-sealed.
Since a CT Scanner uses X-rays. Maybe each box moving forward could have a radiation sensitive label/sticker that will change color to Red if the box/case has been exposed to that type of radiation? That way there's a literal red flag to show that the box has/hasn't been scanned.
Not a bad idea, and radiation tamper stickers are cheap.
The "hobby" has shown nothing motivates criminals, scammers, and gamblers like easy money, uninformed buyers, and little to no repercussions. Money breeds ingenuity.
thats why they all came from the shoe hobby, once fakes took over
Backyard break has been doing this for years.
Card clearning is easy to pick up with some relatively inexpensive X-ray Flourescence systems (my students and I are working on a paper to publish, needs more experiments to show more confidence but early indication says very identifiable).
For CT/Radiography, the high-end boxes like Flawless, NT, Diamond Icons, The Cup will be much more suspect to this technique (only a few cards in known fixed positions, with the best cards in specific positions in the box). Boxes like Bowman, Topps Flagship, full boxes of Pokemon will be more difficult unless one uses more specialized systems. From I have seen, the people doing this are using amateur image reconstruction methods (hence why they say they are having challenges with card that have different orientations). And the scanning in large stacks will lead to wild variations in x-ray attenuation which is statistically make the image interpretation of individual cards extraordinarily difficult.
As for the lead/heavy metal option, if I can do the imaging through thin sheets in my lab, so can they. What might be able to deter this would be to use a special radiochromic film that changes color when exposed to enough radiation. These exist, but I am not sure about their applicability to this specific case.
Finally, from an operations perspective, it "costs" roughly the same for a single scan of an object (maybe just requiring more time, but there's still setup and breakdown time). Thus, it would be very profitable for them to get this to work for boxes and cases where they can scan through stacks upon stacks of cards. I have a feeling a ton of people are going to get fleeced out of a lot of money.
Regarding the card cleaning identification, would you be able to identify it through a PSA slab (without taking the card out of the slab), or Beckett slab where the card is additionally in the sleeve?
Excellent question. It would need to be studied, but I would argue that the answer would be yes although it would add an additional layer of complexity to the analysis. How my students have looked at it in my lab so far was to scan the same card surface both pre and post-cleaning and look over any statistical difference in the analyzed x-rays that fluoresce off the suface of the card. The process with a graded card should be similar, and not excessively different for how we look for corrosion under layered surfaces for other materials.
@@TheProfessorsDugout cool. The sooner collectors have a way to tell if the card inside a slab has been cleaned (and thus potentially close to worthless) or not the better.
I've been screaming this for the last 3-4 months. Thr technology is already there. CGS has already used XRF spectometry to detect a fake test charizard and this was 2 years ago. Spectroscopy either XRF, IF, Mass, Raman can all be tweaked to detect
Excellent thinking. Yes, XRF systems are relatively common and easy to use. And I love the idea of combining it with Raman spectroscopy since that technique can give you chemical compound structure information that compliments XRF. I would hesitate usiin mass spect since ultimately that technique is destructive (atomizes the material).
Thank you for the video. There has to be something to block the scanners. Maybe lead like you said, maybe a sheet or something.
Oh, I feel old. I have seen it all now. Crazy!
Whoever that is stupid enough to send packs to them. They can just switch out the packs with hits with packs that dont have hits and say they have nothing in them and send them back to you.
WAKE TFU !
We use lead vests at the hospital to shield ourselves from the radiation. Lead would work I’d imagine.
I'm a CT Tech, I'm going to put a blaster pack of Topps series 2 in there and see what I get LOL. Most new scanners are really good at reducing metallic artifact via FBP and applying different kernels. I'm sure that if you had a dense enough metal sheeting completely surrounding the cards that it would make it more difficult, but I couldn't tell you the amount or type of material needed to make it foolproof without testing it. Send me a box of Flawless and I'll check for ya LOL
Could you add a CT reactive tag or foil on the box that would react if scanned?
@@BatteryNotRequiredthat’s a great idea
@BatteryNotRequired CT uses ionized radiation, so you could possibly add a sticker that reacts to radiation when exposed. But it comes down to costs and whether companies care enough to implement it. Anyone can build a spectroscopy unit that could detect cleaning and alteration, but its whether they want to.
@@hoffvandamme5295 then I suppose they’d cover the sticker in lead and scan and then it wouldn’t activate it? Maybe? And the whole card cleaning thing may be kind of difficult. That Kurt’s card care solution stuff, if you use wipe it down after and really clean it off, is it going to live a detectible residue? I think that one may be difficult unless they leave traces. But I think effectively they are buffing out scratches and after you can probably wipe that stuff clean off and your result would still be there. I could be off but that’s kind of what I’m assuming.
@@macstener5295it should still activate it, unless it's been placed in a lead container. The whole card care has been done to death. But let's put it this was way. If you add any sort of chemical, compound etc you can wipe as much as you like it will still leave a residue at a molecular level. Spectroscopy ( IR, Raman, Mass, XRF etc) is the same technology used in the military, police, air port security, archeology and the Art world. It detects foreign chemicals at a molecular level. CGC have already used XRF spectometry to detect a fake charizard
Another video that only confirms why you should only be collecting vintage.....you don't have to worry about anything being scanned because there are literally no boxes available to scan for most everything up to the 1970's
Feels like the next story to come out from this down the track is the CT company dipping out on some monster pack they scan..
Lol you covered this 😂
Remote..Viewing ..is the next ..big thing
As a collector, the thrill of the chase was what is most important. Knowing what's in sealed wax; makes it extremely less desirable.
Not good for sealed wax. Buying singles is and has been the way to go
The hobby When I bring this up in 2018, “that’s ridiculous!”, the same hobby in 2024- “they’re ruining the hobby!” I brought this specific issue up 6 YEARS AGO. Logic and reasoning left the hobby many moons ago.
If they look to “block” scanners, could this be problematic from a perspective of mailing or scanning, for instance going through TSA? There is certainly then the potential for using this for far more sinister purposes.
Always wanted xRay vision.. but not for cards
I don’t see how this doesn’t have an effect on the secondary wax and breaking markets.
Good! I quit buying this years ago.....so long!!!!!
We are going to need some reactive tag in the box put there by the manufacture that reacts if it has been scanned
Can it scan and find out if the patch is from a jersey from Marshalls or TJ Maxx clearance section?😅
To clear this all up, if pack searching is prohibited in all retail and hobby stores then this takes that misdemeanor to a felony. People are banned from stores for pack searching so how much worse is box/case searching??
Also, does this company cover medical expenses if your cards get cancer??
One more thing. They could put a lead based powder in a thin plastic sheet that would eliminate all of this at a very low cost. The issue becomes having lead in a product and disposal
As someone who has been priced out of opening wax (and I'm not a gambler), I kind of find this funny and don't feel bad for anyone. What this hobby has become has sickened me for the longest time and I am kind enjoying this latest progression of fraud.
Who benefits? Fanatics 100% ...this kills the secondary wax market. Exactly what Fanatics wants...high-end re-packers? adios...Fanatics has zero incentive to discourage this behavior because it is great for their biz...
You may want to sell your seal wax asap. I can’t see people wanting to buy packs, boxes or cases from breakers, resellers or shops.
Going to have to buy direct from manufacturer going forward and hope Fanatics, Panini, etc.will do business on the up and up. If the people at the top cannot be trusted then nothing matters anyways. Buying secondary product will be buyer beware.
The companies need to add some type of metal into the boxes to help shield the contents. A nice piece of lead will throw off enough artifact to make a CT scan pretty moot. That won't help boxes already on the market unfortunately.
I know the foil/memorabilia shows up well but would a paper card pop on it? Like an 86 fleer Michael Jordan? Maybe some wax is safe?
They can wrap it in aluminum foil creating a Ferriday cage effect
You could always sign your box or pack in some discreet corner or on the back to identify the pack or box. In either case don’t think this should be a thing in the hobby
Does this move the needle towards the manufacturer/Fanatics doing breaks where you would see the actual box break or a digital version where once opened, you could decide whether to list the cards on Fanatics Collect vault or have it sent home to you?
Certainly concerning. I know I’m concerned about some of my higher end wax like my 2009 topps sterling baseball. Definitely nerve racking.
If these machines could be used to simply validate that the hobby box you're buying has the number of hits promised, that would be good. Seen too many boxes from both Topps and Panini that have missing autos or relics.
no doubt this has been going on for much longer than we think.
Neo until you call out ken goldin for proving he has been doing this for a long time when he pulled a one of one with LA LA Anthony I think her name was. This kind of thing will always go on. You will not name the scammer.
Very interesting insight. Yes, it could be used by BBCE but like you said why trust them to use for good? I have said for years that the tech is there if you have the money. We can read the SEALED dead sea scrolls so a box of cards isn't impossible.
Lots of talk, but IMO the hobby doesn't care. Sadly, I don't think much will change in regards to old wax. Lots of trust circles will be tested. They fake iPhone on the Golden show caught my attention.
I think the future is NFTs. Not like Top Shot, but as a redemption that you can request physical cards every month like a subscription services or redeem with your grading company for a slabbed card or just resell the NFT on the marketplace. NFTs (they will rebrand the name) are they best tech for the future of the hobby. Blockchain visibility and security. Growth is with future chasers and fanatics, and the cards will trickle down in the hobby.
1000 % this has a huge effect on
It will only get cheaper and more accessible as time goes on. I dont see how this doesn't hurt prices going forward over time.
It probably only really affects the super high end - which is low enough volume I think the manufacturers can figure a way to block scans. Of course it will affect vintage, which I don't think there really is anyway to combat scanning.
This reminds me of when people would bust out digital scales to weigh packs. Is it scummy? Yes. Is it illegal? No.
Maybe they can start putting in reprint cards that when scanned look like huge hits but when you open the packs they are clearly marked as reprints.
These guys or BBCE should offer this as a service but they would be advised to permanently mark the box and contents as having been scanned. Otherwise, this service is only 'ethical' for collectors who have no intention to sell. Sketchiness abounds here.
The amount of Press about CT scanning makes me think it is an inside job(4D chess) by Fanatics/topps to build this story, so people are basically forced to buy product from Fanatics/topps websites "safely". Wouldn't be hard for Rubin's cronies to set this up to be Hobby-wide news. Either way this is great news for Fanatics direct to consumer sales and way to take business from Whatnot.
Can it actually see individual non-patch cards and see the image of each card?
Next month somebody will reveal a time machine
Lol
So you send this company your box and they scan it. They could scan it on their own, and if they find a huge valuable card, they could replace the box you sent them with another box. Voila! They stole your hits. I’m glad I don’t play in the high end cards.
Wouldn't this affect Thicker RPA NT Flawless more than say Prizm blasters where silver rookies are hits?
Imagine scanning 90s boxes for cool inserts, yikes 😳
Do I start posting my wax as unscanned??
Maybe this will incentivize the card companies to lower how much they print
Honestly this is good … card companies have been selling trash for years now people with money can know what there buying
just wait till ct phone app comes out lmfao
There's no way they won't scam people out of boxes with huge hits and to the ol switcheroo
you said you bought Kurts Card Care “to examine it and know what you were talking about”……
were supposed to believe you wont send pokemon……?
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The "gambling" aspect of ripping wax is what fuels it for a lot of people. Call it what you want but buying wax and ripping comes down to the basic feeling of did you "hit" or not. Not being negative just calling it what it is, ripping in some ways is gambling. Take that aspect away and it will kill the hobby, wax will be dead and it will just be breaks and repacks, maybe just what they want.
These ppl are so stupid. They thought they hit the jackpot and started a screening service when they coulda just kept it a secret and searched boxes by themselves
Buying 2017 nfl sealed product and sending it to the scanners lol jk
What's stopping them from just swapping ur hobby box and when they find the chase card in your box 😅 oops you just mentioned it. Yeah, this is totally fucked. Namely, I think of 2017 Topps chrome UEFA where the Mbappe 1/1 has not been hit. Every sealed box out there will be scanned now. No one will be selling a box that could contain it.
These shysters will probably see a sealed box with a huge card in it and replace it with one that doesn't. It would be hard for their customer to tell if they don't get their original sealed box back. I also can't imagine this being all that lucrative. It's not like there are huge cards in every other box. You would have to scan hundreds of bowman boxes to get the Ohtani auto. People being able to know there is nothing good in the box so they sell it is probably the real threat. Cold boxes everywhere.
At least one could take great pictures of the Topps logos on the cellophane and their location, I imagine the location of the Topps logos would be like a fingerprint, no two the exact same
If this is actually a real thing why didn’t Logan Paul use it to see what was inside those Pokémon boxes instead of opening them ?? Just wondering
He trusted the person to deliver the case and probably didn't know that the technology existed to do it
Method wasn't known to him yet. Steve Hart screwed up there and never should have touched the case especially if he's never authenticated Pokémon
Lead is one of the few elements that can block these scans but obviously that's too dangerous 😂
It's just another way of folks to get money out of other folks.
I know how you can stop this, it is what I do...don't buy sealed wax!😆LoL
It shouldn’t be called a hobby called criminal collection nearly everyone is hobby is shady as f pumping garbage shiit. Scanning wax that’s why backyard gets all the hits and pack man. Then psa doing pop control and give good grades to insiders or friends
Backyard breaks scammers
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Open all your packs. Sealed product is over