Many people are wondering what happened to my two Evolve bikes, I ended up selling those. I was more interested in other bikes so the Maiden replaced the Skypilot and the Patrol replaced the Alpha 27. I did enjoy the Evolve bikes and it was nice to have those to ride, I also wish I kept the Alpha 27 a bit longer and made more content with it, but ultimately I wanted to ride other bikes, I was supposed to have the Patrol a lot sooner actually but delays happened. I am very happy with what I have now! And like I said, I don't care for getting new bikes every year anymore!
Your davincy willson lengthens the distance from your chainring to your rear cog as is goes trough the travel. This is pulling your chain and that's why the pedals move. Every supsension design has a different amount of pedal kickback so that's why your willson has more pedal kickback then other bikes
Yeah also the reason it happens at slower speed is because your freehub acts like a buffer against chain engagement/growth when at higher speed. If you are going slower, the chain growth is faster than your freehub can cancel out so the chain will engage.
i really appriciate how you dont crap on old bikes like some people. i ride a 2006, and get negative comments all the time. its refreshing to see someone else who rides the hell out of an oldie
that thing with the cranks moving on the wilson is actually because when the shock compresses, and you have a high engagement hub, the chain shortens which makes the cranks move (the higher POE, the more movement)
Learned about you thru Seth. Then was wondering why only the Wilson back then when you were starting you channel and no sponsors, look at you now woohoo!!!✌
I’m a carpenter and have had the same problem with muscle problems in my elbow from drills and such torquing on my arm. I use kinesio tape when it’s acting up it works great! I usually just cut a slit in it to go around my elbow.
About Wilson, that sound, I had exactly the same problem with my Kona Entourage, and you are right, it's a hub, suspension design issue, pedal kick etc. Only way to remove it is to get a silent hub with instant engagement or something like Hydra.
That 2020-2021 Patrol, I so regret selling it. It's the best jump bike, climber and steep descender, imo. My other five bikes are missing something, too drunk to think about it but the Patrol is like a XC,DJ, enduro, DH and trail all in one.
A rear hub with less engagement points will reduce pedal kickback at slow speeds. Find the happy medium between quick pedal engagement / pedal kickback. Super nice bikes .
At 4:55 that thing with the engaging the hub also happens to my 2016 devinci Spartan so it may be something to do with the suspension layout at the time.
This was so sick and interesting man 🤩 thank you for this one. Worth of waiting 👍 I have often had similar elbow problems as you. I am an electrician by profession so I guess it's pretty normal for myself 🥴
Slamming the Wilson's back wheel on the ground was a display of what pedal kickback is. That's why newer high pivot bikes have idler pullies at the pivot. It keeps the effective chainstay length from increasing, which minimizes the effects of kickback.
The rearhub engaging when you go through your travel on the Devinci is due to something called anti-squat. It's what makes the bike efficient when pedalling, it doesn't dive through your suspension when you pedal. When your pedals move it's called pedal feedback and it sucks, I have a lot of it on my Pyga with high antisquat. Different bikes have different amounts, lower engagement hubs also decrease the amount of pedal feedback, it's why some brands like DT swiss don't go over 54 points of engagement in the freehub.
I think Jordan sanded it and put some nail polish or something on it when he scratched it. He did that a good while back I think it’s not tearing up the seals
I have an issue that sounds similar to the issue you have with the first bike you talked about. Try tightening all of the bearings, even if you just torque it a little bit it will fix the problem. It worked for my Santa Cruz.
That BMX is a Haro Premium, they're a newer branch of Haro Bikes, and they are indeed premium, besides the wheels. Those are single-walled rims i bet and they will def bend if you try anything major
Hey Jordan! I know im a little late but i just got myself a 2018 DeVinci Wilson and i have the same pedal kickback. Other than that its an awesome bike to ride.
It's been a minutes since you done a bike cheek like most people would love to see you on your BMX at the skate park I managed to get out on my Wilson one word to describe it right on as you would say living in the UK hard to get out it rains all the have to pick the right day and I did sunny all day 26 ent Dead
4:50 I had a problem like that with my trail bike. I don’t know if it’s the same sound, but I tried tightening my cassette and it went away because the sound was the cassette rattling. If that not the problem it might be a bit of chain slap or even normal pedal ratchet sounds.
I’ve got the same exact issue as your Wilson on my 2015 gambler, it just got worse and I’ve got no idea why though. It almost sounds like the axle’s loose, even though it’s not
to the Problem of the wilson turning the Hub when you push down the rear suspension: I think there are some cranks that can like swiggle so the motion angaged by the rear suspension doesnt reach the pedals
I love that you made a video about why not to get used bikes, but then that very bike launched you into your full time career on youtube. Im not saying I disagree, its just ironic ig.
thanks! But I don't think there is a right setup for me with those big wheels, they just don't fit me to begin with, I think 27.5+ is as big as I can go!
@@JordanBoostmaster yea you're probably right. You know what works for you why change it. I think you bring up a valid point that I've noticed a lot of riders who hit big jumps talk about. I'm curious how many guys with similar riding style as you actually ride 29rs
@@JordanBoostmaster you’d be surprised, i’m 5’11 on a size medium scott ransom and i love the big wheels, i was also surprised with how much i like then going from a 26’ size small wilson
The Wilson is back pedaling most likely due to pedal kickback or the outcome when your suspension compresses and the chain length changes… try a high pivot if you can and you’ll notice a huge difference It’s weird that theres that much kick back though
the "engaging rear hub" when you smash the rear suspension is called pedal kickback. It's due to the suspension design the chain stay length grows and tugs the chain. Modern bikes have gotten a lot better with reducing pedal kickback where it matters deeper into the travel but still having some level of anti squat around sag for pedaling (more on enduro bikes). This is the reason high pivot bikes exist so the rear wheel can have a rearward movement to move with the bumps and out of the way instead of going straight up and then even reducing chain stay length at the top, this provides a smoother ride and better traction with that rear wheel movement and chain stay length growing so much under compression, however, this will result in a ton of pedal kickback if a high pivot is not used. Also, curious why you choose to ride size small bikes at 5'10? I'm about 6ft and I always choose Large but if I were 5'10 I'm positive I would ride a Medium or maybe even a Large depending.
Since you like the okder bikes you should try a 2013 canfield jedi. They have the 26 inch wheels you like can be fitted with downhill forks. I have a but newer marzocchi 888 on mine its still “outdated” but man its so smooth. Ive hit rock gardens and roots as hard as i can possibly go and havent dropped chain because of the high idler.
The canfield also has less pedal Kick back than the wilson ive been running a suuuuuuper steep head angle at 59.5 degrees and its holding up really good. They have extra support in the head tube area. Makes for a heavy bike but the things a tank and can be hucked around for life.
Hey boostmaster I have a norco truax and my bike makes the same noise like the hub in gaging as the Devinci I think it’s actually the hub that makes the sound it’s from the older hubs!!
Many people are wondering what happened to my two Evolve bikes, I ended up selling those. I was more interested in other bikes so the Maiden replaced the Skypilot and the Patrol replaced the Alpha 27. I did enjoy the Evolve bikes and it was nice to have those to ride, I also wish I kept the Alpha 27 a bit longer and made more content with it, but ultimately I wanted to ride other bikes, I was supposed to have the Patrol a lot sooner actually but delays happened. I am very happy with what I have now! And like I said, I don't care for getting new bikes every year anymore!
Can i have your transition ? Haha
bist du noch wach
The cranks turning when the suspension is used is thanks to the pivot point
Your davincy willson lengthens the distance from your chainring to your rear cog as is goes trough the travel. This is pulling your chain and that's why the pedals move. Every supsension design has a different amount of pedal kickback so that's why your willson has more pedal kickback then other bikes
Ochain makes a chainring that has a variable degree of engagement that would take care of the kickback.
My bike does the exact same thing as his Wilson
could be ur clutch is slightly too tight on ur deraileur really easy fix
@@mitchsharman1274 mine doesn’t have a clutch unless we’re thinking of different things
Yeah also the reason it happens at slower speed is because your freehub acts like a buffer against chain engagement/growth when at higher speed. If you are going slower, the chain growth is faster than your freehub can cancel out so the chain will engage.
You should totally get a dirt jumper! It would be the perfect addition to the collection!
yes I really want to get one again!
Isn't that what the bmx is?
@@foofy4494 a dirt jumper has a fork and thicker and more off road tires
@@foofy4494 a dirt jumper is a cross between a bmx and a mountain bike.
@@pabloguerrero7560 dirt jumpers have the same tires but they are 26 instead of 20
I didn’t know you had a BMX, I want to see more of that.
Plss
I really appreciate your taste in bikes and the clear focus on fun and what works for you. So good!!! Not chasing trends. Kudos!
thanks!
If we are talking about whistler its clear that you have to take the a line down a line
obviously!
4:48, maybe I'm mistaken, but isnt that pedal kickback, caused by the chain stay length growing slightly as the bike goes through its travel
yes
i really appriciate how you dont crap on old bikes like some people. i ride a 2006, and get negative comments all the time. its refreshing to see someone else who rides the hell out of an oldie
I have been waiting for this video! I feel like it is going to be awesome!
I appreciate how you keep your stable. The "gotta have a new bike every year" crowd, they're flexing, or trying to.
You should ride at silverstar again this year because they have a sweet new double black jump trail called title line
Just got a used 2016 Rocky Mountain maiden as a first dh bike, stoked to get a first ride on it since I got it so recently
I love that you still have old bikes!
thanks!
that thing with the cranks moving on the wilson is actually because when the shock compresses, and you have a high engagement hub, the chain shortens which makes the cranks move (the higher POE, the more movement)
Your steed is out of the norm and its very cool. Keep on truckin man.
That is quite the diverse quiver, covers ALL the bases for sure!!
Personally I think the Maiden is my favorite. Keep it up with the quality content! 🤘
ya it's a great one!
Learned about you thru Seth. Then was wondering why only the Wilson back then when you were starting you channel and no sponsors, look at you now woohoo!!!✌
The Willson is soooo clean
I’m a carpenter and have had the same problem with muscle problems in my elbow from drills and such torquing on my arm. I use kinesio tape when it’s acting up it works great! I usually just cut a slit in it to go around my elbow.
Love you boostmaster!!!! Saving for my Canyon Torque Al rn!!!
Devinci is the best and its handle bar is cool
Rocky-mtn mayden and transition patroal is an absolute dreamteam of mine
I also did the same thing on my 07 vpx uzzi I didn't really like a thick looking down tube so I put electrical tape as well looks awesome now
Your bikes are so awesome, I want them
Dude the orange Rocky Mountain color looks sick. And I love that green frame that is a sexy bike I wouldn’t touch it
I have a 2015 Wilson and the reason I got it was watching you ride urs lol. Mine has the same problem
Love these bike check style videos
Try an ochain for the Wilson’s kickback
it does look kind of cool
About Wilson, that sound, I had exactly the same problem with my Kona Entourage, and you are right, it's a hub, suspension design issue, pedal kick etc. Only way to remove it is to get a silent hub with instant engagement or something like Hydra.
The Maiden is sooooo coool!!!
This is awesome 😎 I love the Wilson
Yooooooooooooo I’ve been waiting for this Jordan 🤙🤙cheers mate
2014 Devinci Troy Carbon
Upgraded with:
2017 Fox Factory Shock/Fork
Shimano XTR Brakes
Hope Pro2 Evo Hubs
Sram 10sp
Reverb Dropper
AND I LOVE IT!!!!!
That 2020-2021 Patrol, I so regret selling it. It's the best jump bike, climber and steep descender, imo. My other five bikes are missing something, too drunk to think about it but the Patrol is like a XC,DJ, enduro, DH and trail all in one.
Incredible collection! Please consider trying out DMR Vault/Vault Midi pedals. Far and away the best pedals I've ever owned!
You are my favorite bike channel. I cant wait to see the next bike you going to have 🚴✌
I've been waiting for this. What a sweet fleet of bikes!
A rear hub with less engagement points will reduce pedal kickback at slow speeds. Find the happy medium between quick pedal engagement / pedal kickback. Super nice bikes .
Such amazing stuff. I love your videos
That Wilson is my dream bike
Amazing bikes, Im still saving for my first one 🙏🏼
At 4:55 that thing with the engaging the hub also happens to my 2016 devinci Spartan so it may be something to do with the suspension layout at the time.
This was so sick and interesting man 🤩 thank you for this one. Worth of waiting 👍 I have often had similar elbow problems as you. I am an electrician by profession so I guess it's pretty normal for myself 🥴
The legendary Davincy willson!
Dream Fleet! So happy for you!!!
Slamming the Wilson's back wheel on the ground was a display of what pedal kickback is. That's why newer high pivot bikes have idler pullies at the pivot. It keeps the effective chainstay length from increasing, which minimizes the effects of kickback.
Sick bikes Jordan 🤙🏾🤙🏾🤙🏾
Love the collection
thanks!
The rearhub engaging when you go through your travel on the Devinci is due to something called anti-squat. It's what makes the bike efficient when pedalling, it doesn't dive through your suspension when you pedal. When your pedals move it's called pedal feedback and it sucks, I have a lot of it on my Pyga with high antisquat. Different bikes have different amounts, lower engagement hubs also decrease the amount of pedal feedback, it's why some brands like DT swiss don't go over 54 points of engagement in the freehub.
not Gonna lie, kinda jealous of the wilson and the a line
Nice bike collection!
Happy Fourth of July jordan!!!
Rocky maiden is ma favorite bike of your all bikes .. glad you maintains all of your rides ... 🚴🚴 Big fan Jordan.. love from #uttarakhand ❤️❤️🙏🏻
Jordan please make a Video of you riding the norco a-line at wistler a-line,that would be so cool.
Fully sent, your collection is insane 🤙✌️
Been a while. Good to see you're back at it 🤙
Little heads up on your scratched stanchion. There's a video by GMBN Tech covering the issue and showing you how to fix it ;).
I think Jordan sanded it and put some nail polish or something on it when he scratched it. He did that a good while back I think it’s not tearing up the seals
show us the wrap process please !
You gotta get yourself a sick Emtb for your quiver!
I have an issue that sounds similar to the issue you have with the first bike you talked about. Try tightening all of the bearings, even if you just torque it a little bit it will fix the problem. It worked for my Santa Cruz.
Seeing lightbicyle rims here makes me feel pretty solid about them for a road bike...
That BMX is a Haro Premium, they're a newer branch of Haro Bikes, and they are indeed premium, besides the wheels.
Those are single-walled rims i bet and they will def bend if you try anything major
You should vinyl wrap the wilson to save the frame from scratching. As it is pretty old.
Jordan after you try the 26 you should try a reverse mullet setup
@jordan Boostmaster for the Devinci make ur chain one link longer and see if that changes the slamming and the crank moving.
I have been seeing more transition bikes since you got the transition
you should to try some 29er enduro
Hey Jordan! I know im a little late but i just got myself a 2018 DeVinci Wilson and i have the same pedal kickback. Other than that its an awesome bike to ride.
It's been a minutes since you done a bike cheek like most people would love to see you on your BMX at the skate park I managed to get out on my Wilson one word to describe it right on as you would say living in the UK hard to get out it rains all the have to pick the right day and I did sunny all day 26 ent Dead
27.5 patrol is one of best looking enduro bikes IMO.
I put my brakes up and i dont get tennis elbow as much,
Next is testing ergon GA3. God vid
4:50 I had a problem like that with my trail bike. I don’t know if it’s the same sound, but I tried tightening my cassette and it went away because the sound was the cassette rattling. If that not the problem it might be a bit of chain slap or even normal pedal ratchet sounds.
the o chain would solver your pedal kickback problem jordan!!
thanks for the suggestion!
ive been waiting for this!
my 2015 gt fury does that same clicking noise when you slam the back but it goes away when riding fast as well!! lol!
So sick🔥🔥
I’ve got the same exact issue as your Wilson on my 2015 gambler, it just got worse and I’ve got no idea why though. It almost sounds like the axle’s loose, even though it’s not
great video 🔥
I hope i got one of those 😁
to the Problem of the wilson turning the Hub when you push down the rear suspension: I think there are some cranks that can like swiggle so the motion angaged by the rear suspension doesnt reach the pedals
The absolute definition of "all the high end parts are good. Just choose the ones you prefer"
Sick video, keep it up!
JORDAN MAKE MORE FREAKIN VIDEOS!! I hate waiting on these videos because they take for ever even tho I love these vids
aaahhhh I know! haha, the whole healing process has been quite a bummer for me, but I have soo many plans for videos it's not even funny
@@JordanBoostmaster sorry Jordan - seems like this was my 10 year old son messaging you! He's bit obsessed with mtbiking
@@rachelmauch140 haha ya it's all good!
I love that you made a video about why not to get used bikes, but then that very bike launched you into your full time career on youtube.
Im not saying I disagree, its just ironic ig.
Love these videos!!!
Where did you get all those different brake pads?
Sick🤘
I’m ready for a boostmaster 29in! I would be curious what the right setup would be for you with that set of wheels 😬 love the video Jordan!
thanks! But I don't think there is a right setup for me with those big wheels, they just don't fit me to begin with, I think 27.5+ is as big as I can go!
@@JordanBoostmaster yea you're probably right. You know what works for you why change it. I think you bring up a valid point that I've noticed a lot of riders who hit big jumps talk about. I'm curious how many guys with similar riding style as you actually ride 29rs
@@JordanBoostmaster you’d be surprised, i’m 5’11 on a size medium scott ransom and i love the big wheels, i was also surprised with how much i like then going from a 26’ size small wilson
I truly love the wilson
I miss The Kona Cowan it's my dream bike since I first saw your channel was so Rad Ripping hardtail on whistler
Nice vidéo 😁😁
Would love to see a Jordan boost master vynil tutuorial!
i have the same odi troy lee design grips on my bike 👌
The Wilson is back pedaling most likely due to pedal kickback or the outcome when your suspension compresses and the chain length changes… try a high pivot if you can and you’ll notice a huge difference
It’s weird that theres that much kick back though
I have a 2004 intense m1 and intense m6 2016. I keep them going and ride them. I even have a 98 ventanna bike full squish and a trek y bike
the "engaging rear hub" when you smash the rear suspension is called pedal kickback. It's due to the suspension design the chain stay length grows and tugs the chain. Modern bikes have gotten a lot better with reducing pedal kickback where it matters deeper into the travel but still having some level of anti squat around sag for pedaling (more on enduro bikes). This is the reason high pivot bikes exist so the rear wheel can have a rearward movement to move with the bumps and out of the way instead of going straight up and then even reducing chain stay length at the top, this provides a smoother ride and better traction with that rear wheel movement and chain stay length growing so much under compression, however, this will result in a ton of pedal kickback if a high pivot is not used.
Also, curious why you choose to ride size small bikes at 5'10? I'm about 6ft and I always choose Large but if I were 5'10 I'm positive I would ride a Medium or maybe even a Large depending.
Since you like the okder bikes you should try a 2013 canfield jedi. They have the 26 inch wheels you like can be fitted with downhill forks. I have a but newer marzocchi 888 on mine its still “outdated” but man its so smooth. Ive hit rock gardens and roots as hard as i can possibly go and havent dropped chain because of the high idler.
Btw they have similar geo to the wilson but has more tubing in the rear end and seems stiffer in side to side flex to me.
The canfield also has less pedal
Kick back than the wilson ive been running a suuuuuuper steep head angle at 59.5 degrees and its holding up really good. They have extra support in the head tube area. Makes for a heavy bike but the things a tank and can be hucked around for life.
ya cool bikes dude, i'v been looking for my first DH bike any suggestions?
go on pinkbike you will get a great deal. look at YT tues base. i got a canyon sender for £1000 off the brand new price and it was only ridden once
Hey boostmaster I have a norco truax and my bike makes the same noise like the hub in gaging as the Devinci I think it’s actually the hub that makes the sound it’s from the older hubs!!