I was a student of Jerry LoMonaco at Illinois State, and I also have Stanley's book "The Science of Voice". Stanley's method was VERY mechanical and involved pushing his fingers into the student's neck to maintain the position of the larynx, as well as using a metal "gadget" to keep the tongue high and back. Definitely a unique method of teaching, but effective for many (serious) voice students!
I haue iuſt been reading this book now. And it is clear Stanley did not vnderſtand the optimal poſition of the larynx. He aduocated foꝛ a neutral larynx and conſidered a low larynx to be indicatiue of a thꝛoaty ſound, which is quite demoonſtrably not true. One ſhould haue a very low larynx to optimize the length of the vocal tract WHILE keeping the thꝛoat open and engaging a pꝛoperly balanced cheſt voice. Stanleys infoꝛmation on the tongue was intereſting to ſee. But now that Mr. Siluer hath died, are there any other ſound voice teachers left on the earth? I cannot find any on RUclips, euen among thoſe claiming to teach things of Lomanaco, Stanley, Melcochi.
My grandmother Audrey Wyatt was a student of Douglas Stanley in the late 1940's, and 1950's. She was and is a dramatic mezzo soprano and always cited him with her voice, and she taught how to sing to her pupils this very method.
Really fascinating! Eddy was just a fantastic singer! Have you ever seen the Singing Whale cartoon where he does all the voices? Thanks for sharing this and the wealth of information!
Sometimes sound quality makes it quite difficult for the non-English native speakers to understand what Stanley is saying, what a pity! I know subtitling is a hard work, but maybe if you have some time some day... :D
Yes, Tom really advanced Stanley and corrected mistakes. He also added the insight on the Valsalva maneuver which is the crux of the issue with singing. He was amazing and such a nice and supportive man too.
When I was little boy , my father would play the Columbia blue label 12" recording of the Our Father by Nelson Eddy for me . Nelson's voice has affected me since then .I sing tenor in a traditional Russian Orthodox 4 part choir. Nothing higher that a G natural. I use Nelsons technique / by ear and what I have heard on record, And what I have learned in my musical training.
Madness .... well this is also the same man who brought in a young man recovering from Meningitis ... and taught him what he knew.................. and he went on to have three voice studios, one in Chicago, one in New York and one in Miami... my kind of madman............
I am talking about "Your Voice" which has its last copyright in 1957. The bel canto method was founded on developing and coordinating the registers. So with that Stanley really did hearken back to the old teaching methods, but he also backed them up with science. The trouble is that he was a madman and made a lot of enemies.
His later book "Your Voice" is much better than "Science of Voice". He revised some mistakes that he had made earlier as more scientific information came out. One example is with the breathing. Also, a book can only say so much. You have to have hands on work to really know what someone means.
YES. He was the best. He had a comprehensive knowledge of the voice. I am SO grateful that I took the time to learn it all from him. And now I teach it.
@topmeat69 I am working on getting some up in the near future. He is very protective of his recordings because he had health problems that halted his career.
Well, Eddy studied with Stanley for quite a while so I don't think he was holding a "gun to his head". LOL!! The vibrato and falsetto explanations are right on. There is much more to each particular action than what is said though. The vibrato has a certain accent to it as well and if that is wrong it can cause problems. Many sopranos today sing with an inverted vibrato where the 'peak' is too big, making them sound driven and/or sharp.
@jimh23 Actually, you are severely mistaken. I don't know what recordings are over at that site, but if there are recordings of Tom LoMonaco after he had health issues and had to stop singing then it is not an accurate example. I have many recordings of him in his prime. He did not teach what Stanley taught, but changed it and corrected what was wrong. Jerome, his brother, same for decades. Tom had Parksinson's which halted his career. You don't know what you are talking about.
Did Douglas Stanley have a cameo role in "Singing' in the Rain"? I recognize that speaking voice as the one introducing the sound film at the beginning of the movie.
@jimh23 Ah...well, there you go. One lesson hardly constitutes "knowing" someone personally. Secondly, I studied with him for a decade, two lessons a week, sat in on countless lessons, masterclasses. I have some masterclasses recorded. Tom 100% demonstrated all the time. And there is NO way in one lesson he would do any of those things. First lessons always consisted of him hearing you sing arias then trying to explain what he felt you needed work on etc. con'td.....
@tonytodos I will ask, but I don't think that is true. Stanley doesn't claim such a thing in his books either. Rather, he claims his voice was destroyed by bad teachers which is why he went into voice science. Garcia died in 1906 too. So Stanley would have been awfully young to study with Garcia. And when he was young he was in England and I don't believe Garcia was. But I will ask.
@hobo1975 I have put up a few recent clips of students if you look at my channel. And there will be more to come. Mostly I don't put clips up, or have not in the past, because people are experts at misunderstanding an jumping to conclusions when they don't know what is going on.
The video is not madness... The the calling of Stanley as Infamous... no offense , my father taught his method.... I really don't that much about it... I just recall my father speaking of him.. in a meaningful way. It was a long time ago... my details are sketchy... as to who the man Stanley really was... he must of had some kindness about him.... what I was saying if Stanley was mad... well Bravo.. encore.
@jimh23 Actually, it is not a matter of opinion. Either you know your facts or you don't. And you clearly do not. So stop your commenting based on ignorance.
@jimh23 ROFLMAO! Don't flatter yourself. I can certainly finish it and easily. Just your ridiculous comments show your complete and utter lack of knowledge. Otherwise you would have known what LoMonaco was getting at which is the ideal functioning of the vocal apparatus. And if you are so great let us hear the recordings! You, your teacher, their students etc. Otherwise you are merely words on a page.
@MrCafiero That tells me that you heard about the other things second hand and know are on here spreading lies. You have an agenda. Also, if you had a high larynx he was probably showing you it needed to be lower. You don't know him well at all. You are a fake. One of those charlatans who come out of the woodwork and spread lies. I teach the exact technique and know every detail of it and your descriptions are nonsense. My students are singing phenomenally as did his including Hadley.
I was a student of Jerry LoMonaco at Illinois State, and I also have Stanley's book "The Science of Voice". Stanley's method was VERY mechanical and involved pushing his fingers into the student's neck to maintain the position of the larynx, as well as using a metal "gadget" to keep the tongue high and back. Definitely a unique method of teaching, but effective for many (serious) voice students!
I haue iuſt been reading this book now. And it is clear Stanley did not vnderſtand the optimal poſition of the larynx. He aduocated foꝛ a neutral larynx and conſidered a low larynx to be indicatiue of a thꝛoaty ſound, which is quite demoonſtrably not true. One ſhould haue a very low larynx to optimize the length of the vocal tract WHILE keeping the thꝛoat open and engaging a pꝛoperly balanced cheſt voice. Stanleys infoꝛmation on the tongue was intereſting to ſee. But now that Mr. Siluer hath died, are there any other ſound voice teachers left on the earth? I cannot find any on RUclips, euen among thoſe claiming to teach things of Lomanaco, Stanley, Melcochi.
Jerry LoMonaco was my teacher at Illinois State University 35+ years ago. I have the Stanley book, still; and I miss Jerry.
My grandmother Audrey Wyatt was a student of Douglas Stanley in the late 1940's, and 1950's. She was and is a dramatic mezzo soprano and always cited him with her voice, and she taught how to sing to her pupils this very method.
Is she teaching if she’s still around? Thanks.
Really fascinating! Eddy was just a fantastic singer! Have you ever seen the Singing Whale cartoon where he does all the voices? Thanks for sharing this and the wealth of information!
Sometimes sound quality makes it quite difficult for the non-English native speakers to understand what Stanley is saying, what a pity! I know subtitling is a hard work, but maybe if you have some time some day... :D
Yes, Tom really advanced Stanley and corrected mistakes. He also added the insight on the Valsalva maneuver which is the crux of the issue with singing. He was amazing and such a nice and supportive man too.
When I was little boy , my father would play the Columbia blue label 12" recording of the Our Father by Nelson Eddy for me . Nelson's voice has affected me since then .I sing tenor in a traditional Russian Orthodox 4 part choir. Nothing higher that a G natural. I use Nelsons technique / by ear and what I have heard on record, And what I have learned in my musical training.
@hobo1975 I have thought about putting up some before and after clips for a while. And also bits of lessons. It will all be coming soon.
Madness .... well this is also the same man who brought in a young man recovering from Meningitis ... and taught him what he knew.................. and he went on to have three voice studios, one in Chicago, one in New York and one in Miami... my kind of madman............
I am talking about "Your Voice" which has its last copyright in 1957. The bel canto method was founded on developing and coordinating the registers. So with that Stanley really did hearken back to the old teaching methods, but he also backed them up with science. The trouble is that he was a madman and made a lot of enemies.
His later book "Your Voice" is much better than "Science of Voice". He revised some mistakes that he had made earlier as more scientific information came out. One example is with the breathing. Also, a book can only say so much. You have to have hands on work to really know what someone means.
YES. He was the best. He had a comprehensive knowledge of the voice. I am SO grateful that I took the time to learn it all from him. And now I teach it.
@tonytodos No, I did not study with Leonti. I mentored under LoMonaco.
@topmeat69 I am working on getting some up in the near future. He is very protective of his recordings because he had health problems that halted his career.
Forgive me but I hear his widow Ilka also teaches. How do you find her voice students in comparison to her husband’s?
Well, Eddy studied with Stanley for quite a while so I don't think he was holding a "gun to his head". LOL!! The vibrato and falsetto explanations are right on. There is much more to each particular action than what is said though. The vibrato has a certain accent to it as well and if that is wrong it can cause problems. Many sopranos today sing with an inverted vibrato where the 'peak' is too big, making them sound driven and/or sharp.
@jimh23 Actually, you are severely mistaken. I don't know what recordings are over at that site, but if there are recordings of Tom LoMonaco after he had health issues and had to stop singing then it is not an accurate example. I have many recordings of him in his prime. He did not teach what Stanley taught, but changed it and corrected what was wrong. Jerome, his brother, same for decades. Tom had Parksinson's which halted his career. You don't know what you are talking about.
Whose laugh is that at the end? Stanley‘s or Eddies? 😂
must be some way to remove the hiss
❤great
please can you tell me the song he sang at the end??
@tonytodos Yes. I teach exactly what my teacher taught.
Did Douglas Stanley have a cameo role in "Singing' in the Rain"? I recognize that speaking voice as the one introducing the sound film at the beginning of the movie.
Not that I know of, but that would have been funny.
@jimh23 Ah...well, there you go. One lesson hardly constitutes "knowing" someone personally. Secondly, I studied with him for a decade, two lessons a week, sat in on countless lessons, masterclasses. I have some masterclasses recorded. Tom 100% demonstrated all the time. And there is NO way in one lesson he would do any of those things. First lessons always consisted of him hearing you sing arias then trying to explain what he felt you needed work on etc. con'td.....
@topmeat69 I just uploaded some of Tom's recordings! Enjoy!
@tonytodos I will ask, but I don't think that is true. Stanley doesn't claim such a thing in his books either. Rather, he claims his voice was destroyed by bad teachers which is why he went into voice science. Garcia died in 1906 too. So Stanley would have been awfully young to study with Garcia. And when he was young he was in England and I don't believe Garcia was. But I will ask.
What? How is this clip madness?
@hobo1975 I have put up a few recent clips of students if you look at my channel. And there will be more to come. Mostly I don't put clips up, or have not in the past, because people are experts at misunderstanding an jumping to conclusions when they don't know what is going on.
He was English. I think he had a degree from Oxford in fact.
You mention 'my teacher' but do not say who it was. Who was it?
Very interesting- Rudy 'Valet' -Was Mr. Stanley English-or was this this one of those cultivated accents?
@tonytodos I don't think he was. I don't know Leonti.
@topmeat69 If you want his bio go to greattenors dot blogspot dot com and scroll down to him. There is an error in that he was born in 1922 not 1927.
Why "infamous"?
The video is not madness... The the calling of Stanley as Infamous... no offense , my father taught his method.... I really don't that much about it... I just recall my father speaking of him.. in a meaningful way. It was a long time ago... my details are sketchy... as to who the man Stanley really was... he must of had some kindness about him.... what I was saying if Stanley was mad... well Bravo.. encore.
@jimh23 Also, please share YOUR own singing or your student's singing and let's compare to LoMonaco and his students. Put up or shut up.
@jimh23 Actually, it is not a matter of opinion. Either you know your facts or you don't. And you clearly do not. So stop your commenting based on ignorance.
@topmeat69 Don't believe jimh23. He has an agenda and doesn't have his facts straight.
Silver Singing Method - Do you still teach in NYC?
@jimh23 ROFLMAO! Don't flatter yourself. I can certainly finish it and easily. Just your ridiculous comments show your complete and utter lack of knowledge. Otherwise you would have known what LoMonaco was getting at which is the ideal functioning of the vocal apparatus. And if you are so great let us hear the recordings! You, your teacher, their students etc. Otherwise you are merely words on a page.
@MrCafiero That tells me that you heard about the other things second hand and know are on here spreading lies. You have an agenda. Also, if you had a high larynx he was probably showing you it needed to be lower. You don't know him well at all. You are a fake. One of those charlatans who come out of the woodwork and spread lies. I teach the exact technique and know every detail of it and your descriptions are nonsense. My students are singing phenomenally as did his including Hadley.