Ever pragmatic, I've always liked and respected Helen Clark's worldview and leadership stance. What I heard her saying here today made common sense. We don't need to be getting involved with AUKUS. I do agree that if we do go down into that rabbit hole we might end up biting into more than we can chew. We are part of the Anglo Five-Eyes intelligence agreement. We should maintain the neutrality of a Southern Pacific Switzerland and garner a reputation for following and advising others to take the path of peace. If we used more reason over reacting too soon to our emotional drives we might actually advance farther and sooner as an emerging humanity. And no, it is not weakness to shun being a party to a bellicose polity, either via our own, or someone elses.
Always amuses me when some advocates NZ become the Switzerland of the South Pacific. So are we going to have full mandatory military conscription and ongoing training afterwards. Also, have those citizens armed and ready like they are in Switzerland. Switzerland also has a highly elaborate defense system constructed into it's borders, including underground tunnels and military bases. It also has highly advanced ground and air defense services, with missiles and fighter aircraft. We have virtually none of that. That is why Switzerland can afford to have a neutral defense policy. We can't, because we never invested in an independent defense strategy.
@@BRUCE_the_MOOSE_ No. I think not. We are not landlocked and hemmed in by five historically potential invaders. Instead we are lucky to be surrounded by an ocean and a sea, the former of which we call Pacific. We are very lucky to live on these islands. If you have done your OE you will know what I mean.
I'm with the wise head & long experience of Helen Clark. We should NOT join pillar 2 of AUKUS. It was not canvassed prior to election. Previous government were looking at it but didnt take it any further. This Coalition have gone much further without democratic consultation. Almost by stealth. In making joint statements with US Sec Blinken, they've ditched our independent foreign policy. We need to sit out Pillar 2 AUKUS. 11:36 China is our biggest trading partner. We need to be a cool head in our region.
Taking a more neutral standpoint in the China/America tension is a very good & potentially powerful position. If we signed into AUKUS we would loss our right to question AUKUS actions & loss /weaken our relationship with China to talk the situation down. As a neutral voice we have the position to take a negotiationary roll in the conflict being able to talk equally to both sides in desecualtion rather than being forced to support AUKUS by agreement (remember there are always hidden strings in these agreements the public are not allowed to know). NZ is too small & can't afford to run a military as many people want & it should be run as a support/rebuilding roll, NOT a combat roll. Finally, I can't remember where I heard it but; You can't have peace talks if you keep poking guy on the other side with a stick, you can only talk peace if you offer your empty hand across the table in friendship.
You don't have to worry, N Z wont be invited. Clarke needs to realise that yes diplomatic premises may not be the best target in the world, but to say IF THAT diplomatic premises provide succor to genuine terroist orgnisations that they are NOT a genuine target is absurd.
@HenriHattar Your comments on AUKUS are completely wrong. The US is actively attempting to coerce New Zealand to join. You're also wrong about the Zionist bombing of Iran's consulate. Under International Law, it is never permitted to attack diplomatic premises. I've read your other comments here, and every single one is factually incorrect. Put bluntly: you don't know what you are talking about.
@@HenriHattar International law decrees that embassies are 'inviolable'. With terrorist exceptions & during civil wars Embassies have been free from attacks since the law was introduced in 1963. All Nations know that if they attack an embassy their own embassies can come under attack & even America has refrained from attacking embassies they suspect are holding wanted terrorists for fear their embassies & thereby their diplomates could be endangered. Embassies providing shelter to terrorist can be surrounded & effectively put under siege until the wanted person moves outside the embassies protection.
@@1112-g1xNorway feeds their kids, its the right of every child to have a free lunch at school, whether rich or poor. It also contributes to better attendance and grades, its a shame the government here chooses to ignore that fact. And wonder why kifs do so poorly at school, now they're having attendance problems. This government have their heads so far up their ass theyre blind 😊
Since the end of WW2 serious strategic experts, generals, air Marshalls and heads of the defence departments in both the UK and US know that only long range aircraft and air forces can provide serious conventional defence and deterrence for NZ and Australia. That was Douglas MacArthurs advice to the Australian government.Forget buying new aircraft carriers or cruisers from the UK the only defence for Australia and New Zealand is American airpower and the RAAF. Churchill and most US and UK MOD officials regarded the Navy as a sunset industry and aircraft carriers even in 1948 or 1950 as targets. Serious US and Pacific defence plans for the defence of Australia and NZ and containment of the Russia and China has been to counter Russia and China's 9 dash line and inner and outer defence lines occupying 88 percent of the Sth China Sea has since 1950; to develop Island chain perimeter lines as static land US aircraft carriers.So Fiji, Tonga, Solomon's and the North and South Island are US static aircraft carriers and ships and armies are secondary, local and support given the small numbers NZ and Australia can provide.
What can I say when my very own are doing an outstanding job providing the meals for school children while the children's errisponsible parents fail their responsibility to provide the most important and basic need for their children. Provide the food and make the parents pay for it.
Remember this Mr Peters and Mr Luxon, look at Ukraine today? "To be an enemy of America maybe dangerous, to be a friend is fatal" New Zealanders never signed up for this!
Better to stay a neutral country as she says. Why is everyone pretending that Israel isn't committing a genocide in Palestine and what did Israel expect bombing the Iranian embassy ? Stupid men starting stupid wars.
Maybe do a little research? Israel never started it, they've just decided that it is time to finish it after many, many decades of offering huge concessions in search of peace.
What is your evidence of a genocide? Even a cursory look at demographics would tell you that there are many Palestinians living inside Israel's borders. If there was genocide why would they start in Gaza???
The highest Court on Earth , the International Court of Justice decided that Israel is plausibly committing Genocide in Gaza & Israel is now under investigation for that Crime of Crimes. I followed the case presented at ICJ by South Africa. The evidence offered was compelling. Clearly the ICJ simply did not accept what Israel presented to the Court. There have now been two separate statements on provisional measures required of Israel which they apparently have ignored.
Helen Clark is head and shoulders above any 'so -called' parlementarian at the Beehive today. They're out of control and understand little of geopolitik. I guess if you don't read history you can be treated as if you were born yesterday. That's the quality of our representatives in Parliament in 2024. It's not only sad, it's downright dangerous. Getting the Atlas organisation out of New Zealand would be an important first step. And stepping away from Tier 2 Auckus, another. Well said Helen Clark.
Amazing Helen Clark is not privy to NZ security info that would have revealed that it wasn't the embassy that was bombed but rather a house next door. The embassy still stands - has anyone checked that?
@ianfisher6561 Agree totally. Having said that, they've been on the downward track since Bretton Woods. It's gotten worse since 9/11. The Maidan Coup in 2014 was an unreported war crime in 5 eyes countries. But we knew the CIA were involved. Our mainstream media has much to answer for.
The reunification of Taiwan with China (termed, contrary to fact and principle, as "re-absorption") has always been painted as a bloody affair in western propaganda. This is so only because the west would make it bloody.
My post on US empire propaganda with regard to the reunification of Taiwan with China was swiftly censored by UT. I wonder why people shouldn't know. Freedom of speech my foot.
With America, as a friend, we don't need enemies. look how America treats its allies, Afghanistan, Ukraine, etc etc.. This is the national government's first step to beating our nuclear-free policy.
The stupidity in their argument is that even if we wasted the money on a modern strike wing, it would be blown out of the sky in days by any sizeable aggressor. We can't afford to have modern attack aircraft in significant numbers. It is an absolutely pointless pipedream by plane spotters and 10 y/o in grown men bodies 🤣🤣🤣
We can not expect every other country to come to our aide if the shit hits the fan if we don’t at least have some sort of strike force, eg drones or jet fighters, these NZ female leaders love to stick there heads in the sand.
You assume she is for the West, that is your mistake. Once a communism sympathiser, always a communist sympathiser. as the Chinese no-less would say...
A breath of fresh air you must be joking mate, she is just like her mate they love the camera and the lime light, who care’ what she has got to say, who dose she think she is.
I have never been a fan of Ms Clark …BUT this is some of the wisest words I have heard coming from any politician in recent times. Being neutral and a peace maker is a great strategic position to be in especially now.
A great leader who actually knows how to lead, and is a great original thinker. Sadly, like the rest of Western democracy our political stocks have been on the decline for decades. The current govt bought and paid for by corporate NZ
Jack. Can you elevate the current government and opposition to talk at this intellectual level please. I felt like I actually got something out of this! At this point I cannot see vision or strategy differentiated from old models of government and cannot access view of international pressure in discussions with this new coalition government or opposition yet
Ms Clark - there is nothing about a lack of transparency about the recent election. You should know - you are educated in political science - foreign affairs is never an election issue (only exception was the one caused by Labour in the mid-80s). AUKUS does not require us to buy any military equipment. It means that NZ is aware of the types of developments that are occurring in the great powers, and that includes China. The reality is that we are totally in a bind - yes China is our largest trading partner. Yes, our national values accord with the Western world. We are no different to any other Western country who is hedging with China and the US. Blurring ambiguity????
Policy departing from a long standing convention which has bipartisan consensus is something that should have been debated at the election. Same like Nact sneaking through the change to smoking ban (and god know what else they haven’t told us).
AUKUS will absolutely require New Zealand to buy military equipment, and it will include US designed systems intended to integrate their military into New Zealand's. That's exactly what Australia has signed up for, and at significant cost.
Overall, very good interview. Good questions and fairly diplomatic and sage answers from Helen Clark. At the end of the day, though, we have a military in crisis and not fit for purpose in a world that is looking increasingly unstable and hostile. That is the reality, and to pretend nothing is happening and not picking an alliance, I don't think is a smart decision. Alliances like NATO or AUKCUS (Australia, United Kingdom, Canada, and the United States) is a no-brainer. Without an alliance, New Zealand is incredibly vulnerable. And why should we not contribute in a more significant way for security in our region? And exactly how are we supposed to help the Pacific if we have no workable military? To think that China, Russia, Iran, and North Korea are the alternative, which we do not align with in any shape or form - and these are the aggressors looking for greater expansion through takeover and weakness. All of which have sizeable militaries in the hundreds of thousands and produce weapons/ammunition in large quantities, etc. North Korea's population is approximately 16 million, with a military of around 1.4 million, while New Zealand has a population of 5 million and a military of around 8,000. What a joke we have become. The money it costs to set up a military could be offset by using the same force for disaster relief. The money can come from, instead obsessing on inflation, but by reducing interest rates from 8% to 3.5%. allowing the economy to recover. Billions of dollars could be used instead of lining commercial bankers' profits.
@@jtonline99 I think you would be dreaming if you think that New Zealand can somehow avoid getting involved. A united front has more protection than a divided one. How much protection do you think the Pacific Islands will have if they do not join an alliance - do you think China will just look the other way. No, it will just take by force - like how it is now doing in the South China Sea.
@@jtonline99 it’s naive to think that China only views the US and UK as their opponents, China makes deals today with the view of where they will be in 50 years, they are an old civilisation with a long term plan, NZ may wish to be neutral and if their lucky may remain so, but remaining neutral is reliant on the aggressor agreeing, if the World moves towards another Cold War, or worse, a real one, NZ may need to choose a side and that could be reliant on who will trust us, either way NZ needs to be better able to at least show a potential enemy that there will be a cost to invasion even if it’s low.
@@Didyouthinktopray it NOT free country & NOT conservative shit either. It still Royalist (commonwealth country) It still constitutional monarchy of UK It has NOT changed & we still pay royality to crown of royal family in UK
Jack Tame’s view of China highly tainted. He just keeps asking Helen Clark about China’s dictatorship. Yes, China is a one party government but the government has delivered a much better livelihood to its people than many countries and has the support of a big majority of its people.
@@TJH-111 By that logic, Iran is also entitled to retaliate against the United States, because they sponsor the country responsible for bombing Iran's consulate building.
Great interview Jack. Your guest had some great insights to share but should have stuck to geopolitics and kept her nose out of local politics. Granted, she has the right to engage with local politics. You and your guest did a good enough job. Keep up the good work.
@@MarjorieMaclean and ex prime minister criticising the government is different from sharing an opinion of policy. Not sure why anyone who lived through the Clarke government would hanker back to a Clarke type government.
@@JohanThiart That was some of the most gentle "criticism" of the government I've ever heard. "I'm not seeing much communication between the parties" is too harsh for you?
Great interview Jack, as usual! 😁 Helen is an inspiration of mine. She knows the know and holds it with dignity. Very greatful to have caught this one✌ Thank you both!
John Key’s opinions were well out on display during the election, but tbf I’m not surprised he doesn’t care about anything other than tax breaks and kick backs
She is currently ten times more relevant than any current nz politician. Do you have a clue about her current life? She chairs internstiinal.forums daily all around the world. She changed the WHO pandemic review. She is in anew country every day and her work is eagerly sought after.
Isn’t she the fool that thought it was a good idea to deprive the NZAF of its combat capability, leaving it now little more than a cargo service? Yea… she’s one to listen to about war.
Yea America has proven what a hypocrite joke there military is ,they can't even win a war they start 😂 and us idiot kiwis get sucked into there bullshit
@@tonybolstad9514 but when the Chinese come prowling around NZ waters and the Defense ministry has to go back and beg the Australians and Americans for help because they don’t have ANY air combat capability… then we decide how “pragmatic” it is.
@@RollingDeathStar Ludicrous suggestion. If China wanted to hurt New Zealand, it could just cut off trade. Why would they bother sending ships? Waste of effort.
From listening to this rather pointless dated interview. I can see why that lady got voted out. Her first point was how can the new govt do something they didn’t campaign on… lol. What the hell did labour try to push through for the last 6 years lol😅
Go Helen, yeahhh. Stick it to the new Govt Helen by showing your people how a proper prime minister addresses the public, political conduct with addressing international issues, and holding NZ interest on local/national/ and international progress. Helen has given a homegrown grassroots kiwi-ana number-8 wired reality check for Kiwis of the new Govt bodies vision for NZ. After hearing Helen Clark, NZ is in for a while new world of hurt. ❤ you Helen 😁
Helen I resigned from the public service after you sent you education advisers through the public services telling us how you were going to turn New Zealand society into what it is today. New Zealand made it quite clear at the last election that your actions were not acceptable in New Zealand. Leave us alone, to live in peace and harmony.
Maybe, Jack should interview you next. Your opinion wasn't asked for yet. She answered the questions she was asked. Never mentioned, let alone rubbished Winston. So, Shush.
The Israeli strike was on a building NEXT to the embassy, not on the embassy, and it was a targeted attack . It killed senior military of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps who were key players in planning and coordinating Iran's terror proxies in Syria and Lebanon ,who have been consistently carrying out attacks against Israel since the October massacre . Even if it had been a diplomatic building , apparently if it is being used for military purposes against a country, it loses its protection and is a lawful and legitimate target for self defense .
The truth is that the Arden government returned NZ to something close to an ANZUS strategic defence relationship with the US, Australia and Japan in going ahead with the P8 MPA purchase which provides considerable surveillance capability and is easily upgraded to provide powerful conventional anti ship and anti submarine deterence along with the security partnership signed with Japan which intergrates NZ with US Pacific wide cover. Aukus is a secondary agreement relating to filling gaps in USN manning of CVN and SSN and internal security and intelligence.
@@greggiles7309 I was always was a strong supporter of the P3 squadron and P8 acquisition. I offered myself to the RNZAF to assist in ensuring the purchase NZs most significant acquisition went ahead under the Arden Peters government. I played a role in cooperating with the RNZAF officers, journalists and Americans in making it go ahead against all odds. The P8s, their base facility and support facilities are a serious addition to ANZUS forces in the Pacific. The RNZN tanker and support ship HMNZS Aotearoa which Don McKinnon and the RNZN accepted USN advice as the most useful ship contribution NZ could make to the US and Western defence and of more than symbolic value as it equipped to refuel USN Guided missile destroyers a demanding role. I have never actually met Helen Clark deliberately missing several opportunities to meet her in the early 1980s as her left wing position would have compromised my position as a commentator and feature writer I did however discuss some issues with her on the phone and in a sense advise her and anyone else against participation in the RAN Collins sub programme which Muldoon had signed memos of understanding about. I was opposed to nuclear power not nuclear weapons at the time and it was obvious Clark was both dishonest and only interested in destroying both NZ and Australia's ANZUS relationship in 1983-84.Anzus was signed in 1951 during the Korean war by which time the US and USSR already had hundreds of nuclear weapons and the presumption of the ANZUS treaty as spelt out by Dulles in discussions about the treaty in Wellington and Canberra in 1951 was that direct physical defence provisions for NZ were not required in the age of nuclear deterrence and ANZUS and the associated and linked Radford Collins are therefore primarily about maritime surveillance zones and defence of Pacific seaplanes, airlanes and communication cables from NZ and Australia to the US and Japan and maintaining backup sea lanes south of Australia. As JF Dulles explained to the US Senate ANZUS was essentially an idealigical joint commitment to containing the 'common danger' of Russian and Chinese communism with US defence policy centred on protecting West Germany and Japan by in the Pacific developing island chain defences. ANZUS in Dulles view was the realisation of Theodore Roosevelt's plan and all US Naval planning in the first half of the twentieth century to incorporate NZ and Australia within the US Sphere of influence and under the Monroe Doctrine. And in reality in 1941,1951 and 2024 NZ and Australia are so small and defenceless we have no choice.
@@frederickmiles327 awesome. Biden needs to join TPPA for any new military alliance. NZ has been backburned for any FTA. I was in 4thG in early 1980's,
The data gathered by Five Eyes is unlikely to be useful to New Zealand. The point is that the US and the UK can use the data to aid with their imperialist projects. If New Zealand attempted to leave the partnership, a "regime change" operation would be carried out by the CIA, as happened in Australia in 1975.
Helen Clarke presided over a NZ in a totally different security environment where a global rules based order (enforced by the US) was respected by every major nation. NZ is sleep walking into a time of great global uncertainty and we need to take steps to make sure we can protect ourselves and our allies and neighbours
😂😂😂 you believe all the lies and crap America is spinning about other countries, America should f off back to America, they are the problem, America is a lying parasite who can't handle being second best 😂😂
6. NZ territory is under British Crown of powers of Sovereignty : Article 1 . The Chiefs of the Confederation of the United Tribes of New Zealand and the separate and independent Chiefs who have not become members of the Confederation cede to Her Majesty the Queen of England [sic] absolutely and without reservation all the rights and powers of Sovereignty which the said Confederation or Individual Chiefs respectively exercise or possess, or may be supposed to exercise or to possess over their respective Territories as the sole sovereigns thereof. Article 2. In consideration thereof Her Majesty the Queen of England [sic] extends to the Natives of New Zealand Her royal protection and imparts to them all the Rights and Privileges of British Subjects.
Helen Clark has long experience both as PM of NZ & as Head of UN Development role. She's a breath of fresh air who can look at implications of ditching our independent foreign policy & its implications. We desperately need such clarity right now as our Coalition of Chaos are hell bent on destruction of policies which made NZ a great place to bring up kids. Now we're being sold down the river to agendas of the Atlas Network, about which we knew nothing prior to election 23.
I agree with a lot of what Helen Clark says & I've always respected her world view. She's an incredibly accomplished politician and a genuine leader. However, given New Zealands position in the world, our hard power (or lack thereof), it's imperative that New Zealand has friends who at least loosely align with our world view & ideals. New Zealand already has ANZUS and we are allied with Australia. If the soft benefit of admission to AUKUS is a further strengthening of New Zealands relationships with like-minded countries & a quiet message to those who may be potential adversaries in the future, then I think AUKUS is the way to go.
@HenriHattar US Secretary of Defence Anthony Blinken has been attempting to strike a deal with the coalition government. He met with Winston Peters on the 11th of April, and one of the subjects they discussed was AUKUS. This fact can easily be verified by reading any NZ news source. You're wrong.
Clark is asserting way too much about our current relationships in regard to trade and security. But what's the real purpose of interviewing HER anyway ?
She's not whinging, she talking common sense. She is a very intelligent and probably one of NZ's best PMs. She looked after NZ and didn't bow down to the warmonger states of America.
She’s trying to de-escalate geopolitical tensions to prevent war. Why is that considered whinging? Tax payers money and lives are at stake. Maybe you should get a job and an education
What a surprise, a weak pacifist shares weak pacifist ideals. NZ is already seen as a joke on the world stage with regards to its 'independent foreign policy' and it is about time we started to pull our weight again. The geo-political environment in the Pacific has changed markedly and will continue to do so regardless of what NZ's desires are. But just like residential house insurance you have to be ready for the worst, so joining pillar 2 of AUKUS makes absolute sense at this point in time.
The unfortunate reality is that the only thing stopping a PRC invasion of Taiwan is the US military presence in the region. In addition, the possibility that Japanese and Australian forces could intervene as well complicates the feasibility of a military operation by the PRC. I understand Clark’s agreements against AUKUS, but military deterrence is what has kept the peace so far around Taiwan and the South China Sea. I agree that New Zealand shouldn’t join AUKUS. But at the same time it’s important to recognize that China does present legitimate security concerns.
Ever pragmatic, I've always liked and respected Helen Clark's worldview and leadership stance. What I heard her saying here today made common sense. We don't need to be getting involved with AUKUS. I do agree that if we do go down into that rabbit hole we might end up biting into more than we can chew. We are part of the Anglo Five-Eyes intelligence agreement. We should maintain the neutrality of a Southern Pacific Switzerland and garner a reputation for following and advising others to take the path of peace. If we used more reason over reacting too soon to our emotional drives we might actually advance farther and sooner as an emerging humanity. And no, it is not weakness to shun being a party to a bellicose polity, either via our own, or someone elses.
Always amuses me when some advocates NZ become the Switzerland of the South Pacific. So are we going to have full mandatory military conscription and ongoing training afterwards. Also, have those citizens armed and ready like they are in Switzerland. Switzerland also has a highly elaborate defense system constructed into it's borders, including underground tunnels and military bases. It also has highly advanced ground and air defense services, with missiles and fighter aircraft.
We have virtually none of that. That is why Switzerland can afford to have a neutral defense policy. We can't, because we never invested in an independent defense strategy.
Sense is sometimes not very common
@@BRUCE_the_MOOSE_ No. I think not. We are not landlocked and hemmed in by five historically potential invaders. Instead we are lucky to be surrounded by an ocean and a sea, the former of which we call Pacific. We are very lucky to live on these islands. If you have done your OE you will know what I mean.
Military technology has moved on from the 16th century and the Spanish Armada. We cannot rely upon a few storms to defend us.
I'm with the wise head & long experience of Helen Clark. We should NOT join pillar 2 of AUKUS. It was not canvassed prior to election. Previous government were looking at it but didnt take it any further. This Coalition have gone much further without democratic consultation. Almost by stealth. In making joint statements with US Sec Blinken, they've ditched our independent foreign policy. We need to sit out Pillar 2 AUKUS. 11:36 China is our biggest trading partner. We need to be a cool head in our region.
Taking a more neutral standpoint in the China/America tension is a very good & potentially powerful position. If we signed into AUKUS we would loss our right to question AUKUS actions & loss /weaken our relationship with China to talk the situation down. As a neutral voice we have the position to take a negotiationary roll in the conflict being able to talk equally to both sides in desecualtion rather than being forced to support AUKUS by agreement (remember there are always hidden strings in these agreements the public are not allowed to know). NZ is too small & can't afford to run a military as many people want & it should be run as a support/rebuilding roll, NOT a combat roll. Finally, I can't remember where I heard it but; You can't have peace talks if you keep poking guy on the other side with a stick, you can only talk peace if you offer your empty hand across the table in friendship.
Well put. Nailed it. AUKUS is an aggressor alliance that New Zealand has no business being part of.
You don't have to worry, N Z wont be invited. Clarke needs to realise that yes diplomatic premises may not be the best target in the world, but to say IF THAT diplomatic premises provide succor to genuine terroist orgnisations that they are NOT a genuine target is absurd.
@HenriHattar Your comments on AUKUS are completely wrong. The US is actively attempting to coerce New Zealand to join.
You're also wrong about the Zionist bombing of Iran's consulate. Under International Law, it is never permitted to attack diplomatic premises.
I've read your other comments here, and every single one is factually incorrect.
Put bluntly: you don't know what you are talking about.
@@HenriHattar International law decrees that embassies are 'inviolable'. With terrorist exceptions & during civil wars Embassies have been free from attacks since the law was introduced in 1963. All Nations know that if they attack an embassy their own embassies can come under attack & even America has refrained from attacking embassies they suspect are holding wanted terrorists for fear their embassies & thereby their diplomates could be endangered. Embassies providing shelter to terrorist can be surrounded & effectively put under siege until the wanted person moves outside the embassies protection.
@@HenriHattar Oh & I know NZ will not be invaded as we have nothing worth the cost of attacking.
Helena Clark very fair lady & neutral
#DameHelenClark #AuntieHelen ... #TooManyIgnored #KiwiLegend #NZRolemodel
"This is very high tech military equipment"
For a country that can't afford to provide lunch for school kids 😢
the the role of a parent
@@1112-g1xNorway feeds their kids, its the right of every child to have a free lunch at school, whether rich or poor. It also contributes to better attendance and grades, its a shame the government here chooses to ignore that fact. And wonder why kifs do so poorly at school, now they're having attendance problems. This government have their heads so far up their ass theyre blind 😊
Since the end of WW2 serious strategic experts, generals, air Marshalls and heads of the defence departments in both the UK and US know that only long range aircraft and air forces can provide serious conventional defence and deterrence for NZ and Australia. That was Douglas MacArthurs advice to the Australian government.Forget buying new aircraft carriers or cruisers from the UK the only defence for Australia and New Zealand is American airpower and the RAAF. Churchill and most US and UK MOD officials regarded the Navy as a sunset industry and aircraft carriers even in 1948 or 1950 as targets. Serious US and Pacific defence plans for the defence of Australia and NZ and containment of the Russia and China has been to counter Russia and China's 9 dash line and inner and outer defence lines occupying 88 percent of the Sth China Sea has since 1950; to develop Island chain perimeter lines as static land US aircraft carriers.So Fiji, Tonga, Solomon's and the North and South Island are US static aircraft carriers and ships and armies are secondary, local and support given the small numbers NZ and Australia can provide.
That's parents responsibility as it was ours, but no longer.
What can I say when my very own are doing an outstanding job providing the meals for school children while the children's errisponsible parents fail their responsibility to provide the most important and basic need for their children. Provide the food and make the parents pay for it.
Remember this Mr Peters and Mr Luxon, look at Ukraine today? "To be an enemy of America maybe dangerous, to be a friend is fatal" New Zealanders never signed up for this!
not if your a capitalist democracy by default u fukin dork.....u have completely misunderstood the premises of tht kissinger quote.
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Thank you Helen Clark for your profound knowledge on laws and humanism
Better to stay a neutral country as she says. Why is everyone pretending that Israel isn't committing a genocide in Palestine and what did Israel expect bombing the Iranian embassy ? Stupid men starting stupid wars.
Maybe do a little research? Israel never started it, they've just decided that it is time to finish it after many, many decades of offering huge concessions in search of peace.
What is your evidence of a genocide? Even a cursory look at demographics would tell you that there are many Palestinians living inside Israel's borders. If there was genocide why would they start in Gaza???
The highest Court on Earth , the International Court of Justice decided that Israel is plausibly committing Genocide in Gaza & Israel is now under investigation for that Crime of Crimes. I followed the case presented at ICJ by South Africa. The evidence offered was compelling. Clearly the ICJ simply did not accept what Israel presented to the Court. There have now been two separate statements on provisional measures required of Israel which they apparently have ignored.
@@Karlandra wonder whether your are idiot american or crazy isreali
the idea of staying neutral is outdated and naive china is pressing into the pacific and we need democratic allies
New Zealand should remain neutral and we should protect our soveignty at all costs,
Helen Clark is head and shoulders above any 'so -called' parlementarian at the Beehive today. They're out of control and understand little of geopolitik. I guess if you don't read history you can be treated as if you were born yesterday. That's the quality of our representatives in Parliament in 2024. It's not only sad, it's downright dangerous. Getting the Atlas organisation out of New Zealand would be an important first step. And stepping away from Tier 2 Auckus, another. Well said Helen Clark.
Smart lady. Not another Anglo warmonger.
To be an enemy of the US can be dangerous but to being a friend is fatal
Henry Kissinger
not if your a capitalist democracy by default u fukin dork.....u have completely misunderstood the premises of tht kissinger quote.
I like helen clark , very intelligent and talks clearly, so many lie and twist their words
Amazing Helen Clark is not privy to NZ security info that would have revealed that it wasn't the embassy that was bombed but rather a house next door. The embassy still stands - has anyone checked that?
She needs to tell what happened in 2005 when Israel tried the 2 state solution, tell the truth
What is the truth anymore..War raging all over the world..garrantee the US have a big part to play..
Israel never ever ever accepted the 2 state solution. Ever. Helen deported israelinspies stealing dead nzers identities. Always a criminal.cpuntru.
A good interview.
I've lost all trust and respect for the current form of the USA.
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@ianfisher6561 Agree totally. Having said that, they've been on the downward track since Bretton Woods. It's gotten worse since 9/11. The Maidan Coup in 2014 was an unreported war crime in 5 eyes countries. But we knew the CIA were involved. Our mainstream media has much to answer for.
The reunification of Taiwan with China (termed, contrary to fact and principle, as "re-absorption") has always been painted as a bloody affair in western propaganda. This is so only because the west would make it bloody.
My post on US empire propaganda with regard to the reunification of Taiwan with China was swiftly censored by UT. I wonder why people shouldn't know. Freedom of speech my foot.
With America, as a friend, we don't need enemies. look how America treats its allies, Afghanistan, Ukraine, etc etc.. This is the national government's first step to beating our nuclear-free policy.
New Zealanders would be speaking Japanese if it wasn't for America .
Under Trump leadership these types of wars wouldn't have escalated
@@stewatparkpark2933 The Soviet Union played a key part in Japan's surrender as well.
@@stewatparkpark2933hahaha.. hahaha.. hahaha.. Yes, sure!! Hahaha.. hahaha.. hahaha..
Those who talk of the loss of NZ strike force
need to look at Ukraine Russia conflict, Russia has cut back it's use of it's air force.
The stupidity in their argument is that even if we wasted the money on a modern strike wing, it would be blown out of the sky in days by any sizeable aggressor. We can't afford to have modern attack aircraft in significant numbers. It is an absolutely pointless pipedream by plane spotters and 10 y/o in grown men bodies 🤣🤣🤣
We can not expect every other country to come to our aide if the shit hits the fan if we don’t at least have some sort of strike force, eg drones or jet fighters, these NZ female leaders love to stick there heads in the sand.
Wow, Helen Clark is a breath of fresh air. I wish there was more of Helen Clark in the West instead of promoting war.
You assume she is for the West, that is your mistake. Once a communism sympathiser, always a communist sympathiser. as the Chinese no-less would say...
wow how culd u compare trump to Xi Jinping ? this woman is a woke a technocrat .....china is ther model
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A breath of fresh air you must be joking mate, she is just like her mate they love the camera and the lime light, who care’ what she has got to say, who dose she think she is.
Pity Helen Clark wouldn't mine her own business she is not the PM of nz she is a has been but can't butt out
I wonder who got rid of our strike airforce ......mmmmmm
Our air force was nothing anyway 😂
Sorry, I don't think the general public has missed them, anorak wearing plane spotters aside..
@@N.kelvyn-m7rwe still need to be seen to at least try and do what we can even if we only have half a dozen fighter jets.
Why is this old bag still relevant she had her dash tvone hardup for ideas
I have never been a fan of Ms Clark …BUT this is some of the wisest words I have heard coming from any politician in recent times. Being neutral and a peace maker is a great strategic position to be in especially now.
Well it shows how blinkered you were to her fantastic governance as 9 years PM AND head of the UN development agency.
A great leader who actually knows how to lead, and is a great original thinker. Sadly, like the rest of Western democracy our political stocks have been on the decline for decades. The current govt bought and paid for by corporate NZ
NZ Govt should know that there is no such thing as bitting the hand that feeds you !
Or maybe the world is starting to say NO to the bully.
Big question with any relationship with the US is do we want to be there if Trump returns.
When .
Hell be alot better than the brain dead twit that's in the white house now 😂
Be where ? The USA is currently making a hash of many things , so a change should be imminent!
Jack. Can you elevate the current government and opposition to talk at this intellectual level please. I felt like I actually got something out of this! At this point I cannot see vision or strategy differentiated from old models of government and cannot access view of international pressure in discussions with this new coalition government or opposition yet
Labour has always elevated the discourse. Nats are ignorant buffoons and always have been.
Good luck with that. All this lot is doing is following America.
Ms Clark - there is nothing about a lack of transparency about the recent election. You should know - you are educated in political science - foreign affairs is never an election issue (only exception was the one caused by Labour in the mid-80s). AUKUS does not require us to buy any military equipment. It means that NZ is aware of the types of developments that are occurring in the great powers, and that includes China. The reality is that we are totally in a bind - yes China is our largest trading partner. Yes, our national values accord with the Western world. We are no different to any other Western country who is hedging with China and the US. Blurring ambiguity????
Policy departing from a long standing convention which has bipartisan consensus is something that should have been debated at the election.
Same like Nact sneaking through the change to smoking ban (and god know what else they haven’t told us).
AUKUS will absolutely require New Zealand to buy military equipment, and it will include US designed systems intended to integrate their military into New Zealand's. That's exactly what Australia has signed up for, and at significant cost.
Overall, very good interview. Good questions and fairly diplomatic and sage answers from Helen Clark. At the end of the day, though, we have a military in crisis and not fit for purpose in a world that is looking increasingly unstable and hostile. That is the reality, and to pretend nothing is happening and not picking an alliance, I don't think is a smart decision. Alliances like NATO or AUKCUS (Australia, United Kingdom, Canada, and the United States) is a no-brainer. Without an alliance, New Zealand is incredibly vulnerable. And why should we not contribute in a more significant way for security in our region? And exactly how are we supposed to help the Pacific if we have no workable military? To think that China, Russia, Iran, and North Korea are the alternative, which we do not align with in any shape or form - and these are the aggressors looking for greater expansion through takeover and weakness. All of which have sizeable militaries in the hundreds of thousands and produce weapons/ammunition in large quantities, etc. North Korea's population is approximately 16 million, with a military of around 1.4 million, while New Zealand has a population of 5 million and a military of around 8,000. What a joke we have become. The money it costs to set up a military could be offset by using the same force for disaster relief. The money can come from, instead obsessing on inflation, but by reducing interest rates from 8% to 3.5%. allowing the economy to recover. Billions of dollars could be used instead of lining commercial bankers' profits.
Does it make us vulnerable? Or does it take us out of the crosshairs pointed at the US and UK
We're in the middle of nowhere far from rubbing up against anyone & you believe siding with the US makes us safe????
@@jtonline99 I think you would be dreaming if you think that New Zealand can somehow avoid getting involved. A united front has more protection than a divided one. How much protection do you think the Pacific Islands will have if they do not join an alliance - do you think China will just look the other way. No, it will just take by force - like how it is now doing in the South China Sea.
@@jtonline99 it’s naive to think that China only views the US and UK as their opponents, China makes deals today with the view of where they will be in 50 years, they are an old civilisation with a long term plan, NZ may wish to be neutral and if their lucky may remain so, but remaining neutral is reliant on the aggressor agreeing, if the World moves towards another Cold War, or worse, a real one, NZ may need to choose a side and that could be reliant on who will trust us, either way NZ needs to be better able to at least show a potential enemy that there will be a cost to invasion even if it’s low.
Totally naiive comment. NZcannot afford to cosy up to.the USA fights.
We need you Helen Clark, back into politics, to save NZ🙏
NZ acts like its a democracy but its not in my view.
how is it not?
It NOT democracy country, it NEVER was
@@user-FUCKYOU18 is democracy country a free country?
Would you say new zealand is or kind of is a conservative country?
@@Didyouthinktopray it NOT free country & NOT conservative shit either.
It still Royalist (commonwealth country)
It still constitutional monarchy of UK
It has NOT changed & we still pay royality to crown of royal family in UK
@@nzSTYXnz Its the matrix's
Jack Tame’s view of China highly tainted. He just keeps asking Helen Clark about China’s dictatorship. Yes, China is a one party government but the government has delivered a much better livelihood to its people than many countries and has the support of a big majority of its people.
Iran has a right to defend itself after the consulate strike by Israel. You cannot have double standards
They sponsor terrorists . They have no rights .
Seems you fail to recognise Iran's patronage of Hamas and the fact that they are responsible for attacks on Western ships by their proxies in Yemen.
@@TJH-111 By that logic, Iran is also entitled to retaliate against the United States, because they sponsor the country responsible for bombing Iran's consulate building.
@@TJH-111 seem you fail to recognise that US and its proxies have been at this game for decades and the vail is now unraveling
OK, so you'd support an Iranian attack on the US too?
She is so rilliant. i wish she was the German chancellor
I hope her perspectives on China don't age like Merkel's did with Russia.
Imagine John Key articulating a point of view on geopolitical issues like this, he wouldn’t even know where to begin.
Actually I do know how he’d begin, “ordinary kiwis are not concerned about…” blah blah blah some way to excuse the Deputy PM’s actions
Too right he would.
Just keep flogging everything not bolted down to his Chinese overlords.
No doubt he'd start with.. "Aw look"
Clarke is very smart and sensible. She was a great leader for NZ.
What.
@@olliemoose2020 Your mom, thats what.
Dictatorship ????? vs western barbarianism which one is more dangerous ? stop being hypocrite !
Great interview Jack.
Your guest had some great insights to share but should have stuck to geopolitics and kept her nose out of local politics. Granted, she has the right to engage with local politics.
You and your guest did a good enough job.
Keep up the good work.
He asked her opinion. She's more than entitled to have a view. Pity she still isn't our pm
@@MarjorieMaclean and ex prime minister criticising the government is different from sharing an opinion of policy.
Not sure why anyone who lived through the Clarke government would hanker back to a Clarke type government.
She was asked to comment 🤷♂️
@@JohanThiart That was some of the most gentle "criticism" of the government I've ever heard.
"I'm not seeing much communication between the parties" is too harsh for you?
Great interview Jack, as usual! 😁 Helen is an inspiration of mine. She knows the know and holds it with dignity. Very greatful to have caught this one✌ Thank you both!
good old aunty Helen :)
Well done Helen.....clearly more mature than the media....!!!
Auntay makes sense
Helen certainly a relic of a bygone era in this country, take a note out of John keys book & keep your opinions to yourself
Out of curiosity what was it you disagreed with in this interview?
John Key’s opinions were well out on display during the election, but tbf I’m not surprised he doesn’t care about anything other than tax breaks and kick backs
good reply she is a total closet hidden person of every angle you cant believe anything she says , after all she trained Adern !!! say no more.
She is currently ten times more relevant than any current nz politician. Do you have a clue about her current life? She chairs internstiinal.forums daily all around the world. She changed the WHO pandemic review. She is in anew country every day and her work is eagerly sought after.
Isn’t she the fool that thought it was a good idea to deprive the NZAF of its combat capability, leaving it now little more than a cargo service? Yea… she’s one to listen to about war.
F16s are even cheaper now, lets see how they work in Ukraine,
then you can make a complaint.
Yea America has proven what a hypocrite joke there military is ,they can't even win a war they start 😂 and us idiot kiwis get sucked into there bullshit
A very pragmatic decision. I wouldn't categorize it as foolish.
@@tonybolstad9514 but when the Chinese come prowling around NZ waters and the Defense ministry has to go back and beg the Australians and Americans for help because they don’t have ANY air combat capability… then we decide how “pragmatic” it is.
@@RollingDeathStar Ludicrous suggestion. If China wanted to hurt New Zealand, it could just cut off trade. Why would they bother sending ships? Waste of effort.
From listening to this rather pointless dated interview. I can see why that lady got voted out.
Her first point was how can the new govt do something they didn’t campaign on…
lol. What the hell did labour try to push through for the last 6 years lol😅
Legendary
Aunty Helen would rather we were a vassal of china.
Go Helen, yeahhh.
Stick it to the new Govt Helen by showing your people how a proper prime minister addresses the public, political conduct with addressing international issues, and holding NZ interest on local/national/ and international progress. Helen has given a homegrown grassroots kiwi-ana number-8 wired reality check for Kiwis of the new Govt bodies vision for NZ.
After hearing Helen Clark, NZ is in for a while new world of hurt.
❤ you Helen 😁
So level headed. Loved this
I ,okay
Bring back Halen
Imo Helen Clark as the most anti military PM we've had in recent times and has a very misleading view
If only there were more world leaders like her. These territorial skirmishes have no place in 2024
Absolute rubbish. Since when did war ever solve a thing.
Helen I resigned from the public service after you sent you education advisers through the public services telling us how you were going to turn New Zealand society into what it is today.
New Zealand made it quite clear at the last election that your actions were not acceptable in New Zealand.
Leave us alone, to live in peace and harmony.
What a lot of nonsense. She's an outstanding leader.
Exactly right, and as for her being a good leader that’s rubbish.
Helen's right! we 🇳🇿being led down the garden path by 🇺🇸 USUKA
Mr Peters has everything under control. You can step back now Helen.
He doesn't.
Mr Peters uses bullying and arrogance as his main tools Time to retire and go fishing Winnie
Maybe, Jack should interview you next.
Your opinion wasn't asked for yet.
She answered the questions she was asked. Never mentioned, let alone rubbished Winston. So, Shush.
winnie has been part of every failed govt in new zealand has had , including mulldoon
NZ needs to vote a party to a roll with a set budget,
The Israeli strike was on a building NEXT to the embassy, not on the embassy, and it was a targeted attack . It killed senior military of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps who were key players in planning and coordinating Iran's terror proxies in Syria and Lebanon ,who have been consistently carrying out attacks against Israel since the October massacre . Even if it had been a diplomatic building , apparently if it is being used for military purposes against a country, it loses its protection and is a lawful and legitimate target for self defense .
They bombed the consulate which legally has the same protection as an embassy, so you are talking absolute nonsense.
The truth is that the Arden government returned NZ to something close to an ANZUS strategic defence relationship with the US, Australia and Japan in going ahead with the P8 MPA purchase which provides considerable surveillance capability and is easily upgraded to provide powerful conventional anti ship and anti submarine deterence along with the security partnership signed with Japan which intergrates NZ with US Pacific wide cover. Aukus is a secondary agreement relating to filling gaps in USN manning of CVN and SSN and internal security and intelligence.
What, are you suggesting we use the old planes until they Fkn crash, right,
until they crash.
@@greggiles7309 I was always was a strong supporter of the P3 squadron and P8 acquisition. I offered myself to the RNZAF to assist in ensuring the purchase NZs most significant acquisition went ahead under the Arden Peters government. I played a role in cooperating with the RNZAF officers, journalists and Americans in making it go ahead against all odds. The P8s, their base facility and support facilities are a serious addition to ANZUS forces in the Pacific. The RNZN tanker and support ship HMNZS Aotearoa which Don McKinnon and the RNZN accepted USN advice as the most useful ship contribution NZ could make to the US and Western defence and of more than symbolic value as it equipped to refuel USN Guided missile destroyers a demanding role.
I have never actually met Helen Clark deliberately missing several opportunities to meet her in the early 1980s as her left wing position would have compromised my position as a commentator and feature writer I did however discuss some issues with her on the phone and in a sense advise her and anyone else against participation in the RAN Collins sub programme which Muldoon had signed memos of understanding about. I was opposed to nuclear power not nuclear weapons at the time and it was obvious Clark was both dishonest and only interested in destroying both NZ and Australia's ANZUS relationship in 1983-84.Anzus was signed in 1951 during the Korean war by which time the US and USSR already had hundreds of nuclear weapons and the presumption of the ANZUS treaty as spelt out by Dulles in discussions about the treaty in Wellington and Canberra in 1951 was that direct physical defence provisions for NZ were not required in the age of nuclear deterrence and ANZUS and the associated and linked Radford Collins are therefore primarily about maritime surveillance zones and defence of Pacific seaplanes, airlanes and communication cables from NZ and Australia to the US and Japan and maintaining backup sea lanes south of Australia. As JF Dulles explained to the US Senate ANZUS was essentially an idealigical joint commitment to containing the 'common danger' of Russian and Chinese communism with US defence policy centred on protecting West Germany and Japan by in the Pacific developing island chain defences. ANZUS in Dulles view was the realisation of Theodore Roosevelt's plan and all US Naval planning in the first half of the twentieth century to incorporate NZ and Australia within the US Sphere of influence and under the Monroe Doctrine. And in reality in 1941,1951 and 2024 NZ and Australia are so small and defenceless we have no choice.
@@frederickmiles327 awesome. Biden needs to join TPPA for any new military alliance. NZ has been backburned for any FTA. I was in 4thG in early 1980's,
Does New Zealand need to be apart of the five eyes ? If so why
The data gathered by Five Eyes is unlikely to be useful to New Zealand. The point is that the US and the UK can use the data to aid with their imperialist projects.
If New Zealand attempted to leave the partnership, a "regime change" operation would be carried out by the CIA, as happened in Australia in 1975.
Do you detect Helen's bias to the Left!!
Were you expecting a right-wing perspective from a former Labour PM?
It's clear as mud she's a leftie: intelligent informed engaged professional progressive and kind
@@DanielleA2023 With zero idea how to create wealth for the country .
Nz was in a fantastic position under the Clark Cullen govt. It was booming. Nats destroy, labour booms the economy and wages.
Nothing new
Helen Clarke presided over a NZ in a totally different security environment where a global rules based order (enforced by the US) was respected by every major nation. NZ is sleep walking into a time of great global uncertainty and we need to take steps to make sure we can protect ourselves and our allies and neighbours
Peace should always be the objective, and she she still heads has huge global influence. She chairs forums across the world constantly.
😂😂😂 you believe all the lies and crap America is spinning about other countries, America should f off back to America, they are the problem,
America is a lying parasite who can't handle being second best 😂😂
There is no such thing as the "rules-based order." There is only International Law, which the "rules-based" community routinely breaks.
6. NZ territory is under British Crown of powers of Sovereignty :
Article 1 . The Chiefs of the Confederation of the United Tribes of New Zealand and the separate and independent Chiefs who have not become members of the Confederation cede to Her Majesty the Queen of England [sic] absolutely and without reservation all the rights and powers of Sovereignty which the said Confederation or Individual Chiefs respectively exercise or possess, or may be supposed to exercise or to possess over their respective Territories as the sole sovereigns thereof.
Article 2. In consideration thereof Her Majesty the Queen of England [sic] extends to the Natives of New Zealand Her royal protection and imparts to them all the Rights and Privileges of British Subjects.
Who cares what she thinks
Her opinion is sought from all over the world.
Who cares what you think, Kerry?
Helen Clark has long experience both as PM of NZ & as Head of UN Development role. She's a breath of fresh air who can look at implications of ditching our independent foreign policy & its implications. We desperately need such clarity right now as our Coalition of Chaos are hell bent on destruction of policies which made NZ a great place to bring up kids. Now we're being sold down the river to agendas of the Atlas Network, about which we knew nothing prior to election 23.
Intelligent people.
Good to hear intelligence for a change
Taiwan is part of China and has been for ~2700 years. Otherwise thank you Auntie Helen.
It was Japanese until 1945 . Learn a bit of history .
@@stewatparkpark2933 😂
@@stewatparkpark2933 There you go again 😅
Helen Whooo..?
What does NZ have to offer AUKUS? Tiny little token navy? Tiny little token army? "Air force" with no combat aircraft?
I agree with a lot of what Helen Clark says & I've always respected her world view. She's an incredibly accomplished politician and a genuine leader. However, given New Zealands position in the world, our hard power (or lack thereof), it's imperative that New Zealand has friends who at least loosely align with our world view & ideals. New Zealand already has ANZUS and we are allied with Australia. If the soft benefit of admission to AUKUS is a further strengthening of New Zealands relationships with like-minded countries & a quiet message to those who may be potential adversaries in the future, then I think AUKUS is the way to go.
NO BODY has asked N Z...they can't OFFER any thing!
Wrong.
@@KlausBahnhof RIGHT !
@HenriHattar US Secretary of Defence Anthony Blinken has been attempting to strike a deal with the coalition government. He met with Winston Peters on the 11th of April, and one of the subjects they discussed was AUKUS.
This fact can easily be verified by reading any NZ news source.
You're wrong.
5. There are some millions of Mohammedans Arabs who are Citizens of Israel and fight for Israel
3. Gaza is Israel , Crimea is Ukraine, Tskhinvali is Georgia, Tiraspol is Moldova.
Gaza is palestine, Crimea is Russia 🇷🇺
Stop believing those Yankee losers 😂
But who went into Israel and slaughtered innocent babies and murdered, innocent people. Don’t forget that Helen or anybody else out there.
😂😂😂😂😂
Israel has just as much blood on its hands.
It's almost as if there might be consequences for stealing indigenous people's land and forcing them into an open-air prison. Who would have guessed?
She was NZ’s PM?! She’s incredibly passive and weak. She gives me Vichy France vibes…
Oh no no she was quite formidable. Smiling assassin's are the most deadly.
How so?
Luxon and his two deputy leaders will be fools not to consider her advice. Wise words spoken by an experienced leader!
One of our best ever. She is ine of our toughest and strongest.
Looks like Clarke is the walking dead .
Just go away . Far far away .
Clark is asserting way too much about our current relationships in regard to trade and security. But what's the real purpose of interviewing HER anyway ?
Taiwan is more useful to China as a trade poker chip.
Night,Coolge
A touch ironic "Aunty Helen" given the atrocities committed by the NZ SAS under your watch...
This lady is naive. She is also dangerous because of that.
Time for Helen Clark to get a job and she'll have less time to whinge
She's not whinging, she talking common sense. She is a very intelligent and probably one of NZ's best PMs. She looked after NZ and didn't bow down to the warmonger states of America.
She’s trying to de-escalate geopolitical tensions to prevent war. Why is that considered whinging? Tax payers money and lives are at stake. Maybe you should get a job and an education
I think your opinion is unfounded. Do the research then give an opinion.
Anyone who worked for the UN helped this situation.
She has no skills that would get her a job - apart from a taxpayer funded one of course .
This is a real leader.
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I absolutely agree with you Helen
What a surprise, a weak pacifist shares weak pacifist ideals. NZ is already seen as a joke on the world stage with regards to its 'independent foreign policy' and it is about time we started to pull our weight again. The geo-political environment in the Pacific has changed markedly and will continue to do so regardless of what NZ's desires are. But just like residential house insurance you have to be ready for the worst, so joining pillar 2 of AUKUS makes absolute sense at this point in time.
😂😂 and you believe what America says 😂😂😂 they can't even win a war ,so how the hell will they help us , 😂
Pull our weight = do exactly what the United States tells us to, just like Australia does.
Independence is a strength, not a weakness.
Helen a committed WEFer, organised the parachuting in of Jacinda the horror ...
New Zealand needs to rearm Helen after you defanged our defence force.
As an ex serviceman, our military is a joke anyway 😂
what a true leader Helen Clark is, unbiased, no spins, concise. NZ would be so much different if we had her being in charge.
Shes on her death bed
13.15 lol 😂
Helen should just retire and leave us alone. She was voted out.
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The unfortunate reality is that the only thing stopping a PRC invasion of Taiwan is the US military presence in the region. In addition, the possibility that Japanese and Australian forces could intervene as well complicates the feasibility of a military operation by the PRC.
I understand Clark’s agreements against AUKUS, but military deterrence is what has kept the peace so far around Taiwan and the South China Sea.
I agree that New Zealand shouldn’t join AUKUS. But at the same time it’s important to recognize that China does present legitimate security concerns.
All lies
Helen, get off to the old folks home, lecture them, they might listen. Otherwise, hush up!
Why doesn,t Helen Clark go the Platform she is not an elected politician anymore
Why on earth would she give the time of day to hateful.Plunket.
1. Israel did not attack dip[diplomatic facility
Yes they did 😂, Jesus said beware of the false jews who come from Satan's synagogue, biggest deceivers along with America
Who was responsible for the attack?
Bring back Buck and Helen!
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you are an idiot
Just keep talking about human rights, but don't smack your child or your state will get you.
Shut up Helen lol jack lame still being lame as usual