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I just purchased the DeWalt DCF500B 12v sealed head ratchet and it came with three adaptors, a 3/8" and 1/4" square drive for sockets and a neat 1/4" hex drive to use with all 1/4" hex bits. (think 90 degree screwdriver) I just used it on some large tie rod bolts while rebuilding the front end suspension on a 3500 truck and it is a beast! Impressed the heck out of me. Will never use an air ratchet again. For the money and versatility, the DeWalt can't be beat, it's awesome!
@@TorqueTestChannelI’d love to see them tested but the reality is it’s more out of curiosity then anything else. Unless it’s some sort of revolutionary tool (yeah right) I’d likely never buy one.
I buy Hyper Tough tools when they are on clearance. For example, I was able to purchase a combo kit with a Sawzall, impact driver, and a drill with 2 1.5 amp batteries for 32 us dollars. Well worth the cost for the Sawzall by itself.
Wow! That did not go the way I would have thought initially. The DeWalt did great, the M12 not so much... that is why this channel is so important. Thanks for sharing all the results and for all the time that was taken for this testing!
This ended as I knew it would. The high-speed is still king. I'm so glad you pointed out how annoying those 3/8, 1/4 adapters would be. No othet reviewer has mentioned it, which I think is a very big deal since Milwaukee is trying to sell you on this high price tag as being a replacement for the other ratchets when it's not
im an electrician and can see the use of the pass-through system of the Milwaukee. I don’t always need a lot of torque, but this could be very useful for instances of using long, threaded rods for mounting. pass through is pretty cool
thats the big selling point to me as well, but they didnt seal the head so if you're doing tough stuff then grease will leak out and the pass through design for the sockets stops halfway through the range (?). ill wait until milwaukee can address those issues and come back with something you can slap an 18v battery on as well.
@edwardoavila7666 first of all they make a boot that goes over the head to prevent this, not having the pass through on all of the sockets I do find odd, the whole point of the 12v is that they are lighter, smaller and easier to work with which comes in handy over 18-20v tools, and if you need the power of an 18v tool when using a ratchet you should probably be using an impact gun instead.
To me, the most important feature, assuming the power ratchet has reasonable torque and speed, is the size. Smaller = better. The ratchet is no good if you can't get it into where you need it. Past a certain point, speed and torque don't matter; they do with an impact wrench, but not with a ratchet.
You guys have to do the DCF500 12V Sealed head next, I just picked one up and its claiming 450 RPM AND 50 Ft lbs of torque, as well as having a 1/4 hex drive plug. Seeing how the past 12V Dewalts did it may be a little beast on the charts, as long as you can actually fit it where you need it with its size.
it looks like that one is targeting the M12 High Speed 2567-20. I own that Milwaukee and previously owned the OG M12 brushed ratchet and 2557-20 Fuel low speed (last from the chart yeah) but that one got stolen from my truck so I got the high speed one. Yes it's quick but it's a torqueless wonder, I think even the OG brushed one had a bit more torque. And having a lower speed might actually help with more control when setting nuts back in. Or maybe it's just me. If the DCF500 keeps the speed from the 2567-20 while delivering more torque then it would be a win for many
The thing I noticed about the milwakee extended reach I bought a year ago, is that when it was new, the tolerances between the parts of the tool were so tight that it caused it to feel weak, and do the stutter that you guys were experiencing. I was highly disappointed and almost returned it but kept it anyway. After a fair bit of use, though, the thing started to loosen up, the stutter went away, and it seems to have much more power now than when it was new. I don't know if this is a common experience, so I figured I would comment. 😊
Hey Torque TestChannel: The stutter that you mentioned when using the Insider appears to happen because the handle is being lifted higher and lower than perpendicular (as you are tightening the nut) relative to the bolt when using the passthrough socket in the smaller size. I think this is causing the bolt to bind or rub against the pass through in the socket. Check it out on you video. You can see the operator holding the ratchet is not keeping it perpendicular to the bolt as the pass through moves up and down the bolt. This would also explain why it does not happen when you are using the regular deep sockets on the larger bolts. Not passthrough for the bolt the bind on. Give it another try using the 3/8 adapter and standard deep sockets on all the bolts. If it does not bog or stutter we will know that when using the pass through sockets it can bind if not carful.
@@chucknorris2952 The 510 for power, the 500 for small head, smaller body and faster speed. The 510 comes with 3/8 and 1/2 anvils. The 500 comes with 1/4, 3/8 and 1/4 quick change hex.
Stoked to finally see the comparison! So far I am in love with the sealed head unit, it’s helped on trail repairs several times, and been a lifesaver while working on the top of my 6.0 powerstroke! 🤙
Just got the DeWalt 3/8 and 1/2” ratchet, with a 5ah power stack battery for $250 from Lowes. Struggleville is a very helpful channel that shares some pretty awesome tool deals!
I vote for best sub $100 pneumatic ratchet vs best sub $100 electric ratchet with best overall electric vs pneumatic regardless of price, all based off your previous charts. Anything additional is a bonus!
As an auto body tech I use the absolute shit out of the high speed team red in 1/4". It definitely has more forward torque, some times you have to tighten and loosen bolts frequently when aligning panels. The good old neutral drop comes in handy though, sure it's not good on your sockets or hardware but it saves a ton of time.
I have the older 2457 and just bought the Milwaukee insider. Both exhibit the same slipping or not spinnong occasionally. Sometimes it seems to happen when the nut doesnt have alot of tension on it. The 2457 was getting worse since I have owned it for aroubd 10 years and I watched a video showing how to take the head apart and clean the grease out on springs that press the head forward as they build up grease and dirt over time. After cleaning it worked much better.
I have an m12 high speed and just got the insider. Noticeably slower but it honestly doesn't matter too much. The biggest draw to me is I'm hoping it's more durable. I've had to replace the head in my high speed numerous times because either the ball falls out, or it'll switch directions randomly. They're $30 or so everytime. Plus having both a 1/4 and 3/8 in one is nice.
@@TorqueTestChannel Yeah mine doesn't look as bad as that one but I haven't used it much for sustained periods of time like your gauntlet. Could probably shoot some more in there with a needle greaser.
people don't realize how often you have to grease these damn things 😂 the high speeds probably chew through those heads super fast. I went with snap on for my ratchets, I think they feel the best and have great quality especially being able to easily grease the head with a fitting instead of smearing it into the inside of the milwaukee head 😂 I still like the milwaukee besides for the handle and overall uncomfortable shape and direction switch.
Boy do I want Astro to make an air ratchet for their Nano sockets. One ratchet with a swappable 17mm/22mm insert so it works with both their 3/8" and 1/2" Nano sockets would be sweet.
Even though I have the insider and the Dewalt, the insider is the one I use the most. Due to its longer and narrow neck it's easier to get into tight spots working on cars. The Dewalt is more handy when the long neck of the insider can't wrap around areas, but when that's the case, you're better off with a traditional wrench and swivel adapter.
Wow! The most comprehensive breakdown I’ve seen yet! I was gung-ho about buying the Milwaukee due to other previously posted videos, but I am glad I waited and have seen your feedback. Thank you for all you guys do! Company’s should def invest in you guys!
I have been using a MAC Tools 10.8V (UK)/12V (US) for around 3-4 years now. It hasnt slowed down or gotten any weaker. The grease nipple is a brillant feature and it is prooven as in that 3-4 year time span I have witnessed many people buying at least 2-3 milwaukee ratchets. Everyone always says its slower but I personally can live with that knowing I dont need to torque check everything considering its strength, not to mention I use the thing as a breaker bar, hammer and battering ram. Honestly my one of my favourite tools I have ever bought. Not sure if I should upgrade when it eventually dies, when ever that shall be, or pay the money to repair it. This video has definately made me lean towards buying a new one but I would like to see how much abuse it can handle, sadly they havent been out long enough.
I’ve had my insider for nearly a year now. And it’s my favorite one by far tbh. Like I don’t need the extreme torque of the snap on ones or the super high speed of the high speed fuel models. This is all in one and has treated me very well, as I’ve also maintained it.
I am a milwaukee fanboy but I'll be the first to admit their ratchets absolutely SUCK. The stalling issue gets worse over time until you have to take the tool apart, clean, lube, and hope it fixes it. I've been really disappointed in their ratchets for this reason.
I've had that stalling issue with my basic non-fuel M12 3/8 cordless ratchet. At least it looks very similar. What I've found is it happens when the direction isn't actually fully engaged. Like it seems like it is, and you can't turn the toggle any further, but the teeth will still skip allowing the ratchet to feel like it's operating as normal, but not actually turning the head. Strange.
It mostly happens due to excessive vibration, next time try putting your hand on the head of the ratchet or the fastener and you’ll see it will start working, the way the mechanism works if there’s too much vibration it can’t engage the next set of teeth
I'll take breakaway torque over some speed any day of the week. I don't mind waiting a second or 2 per fastener as long as it breaks it loose. Was hoping DeWalt with this release would have been an impact ratchet.. but hopefully soon. Great video as always, well done.
@@rc-daily As far as i know, Kobalt only has a cordless ratchet and cordless right angle impact. An impact ratchet believe it or not (there's a lot of shared terms, also often called a reactionless ratchet) is a bit different
@TorqueTestChannel I guess technically it is a right angle impact. Gets the job done though. Even though it's definitely not the strongest impact on the market today but when you have kobalt tools you buy it 🤣🤣🤣
You need to test the DCF500 12V Sealed head ratchet. For some reason the 12v seems to always perform better than the 20v ones. Based on your tests, I purchased the DCF503 12v to replace the weak Milwaukee ratchet I had, and it performs great! A much better tool than the red brand.
All my milwaukee impacts and ratchets stutter. M18 &m12... was told by the rep that it was normal, hate it so much I don't even use them anymore. Went back to my trust 14.4 snappy long reaches and air impacts. My snap on ratchets are both 5/6 years old and never failed. Just wish milwaukee would fix this issue already
I have both the Insider and Extended Reach 3/8s and I don't need both. Having a stupid hard time deciding which to keep. I know it's what I would use it for - mainly for car work and bikes. And I don't work on them daily. Do I just keep both??
The crown jewel behind the insider is the thinner design with socket, it fits in tight places. The pass through is just a novelty, which is why it stops at 15mm. 11 seconds slower than a competitor is still multiple seconds faster than hand ratcheting.
Dewalt has a 12v version of the sealed head, you should test that for fairness. But I’m glad you made this video so I know not to get the Milwaukee. I work on rusty stuffy, and that means the socket and nut are usually tightly bonded together, so the way the Milwaukee adapters just slide out is a deal breaker for sure
They need to develop a universal system for female hex drive ratchets, just as they have done for the male and female square drive. Proprietary drive sockets and adapters seems silly IMO.
Ugh. Well... I'm invested in the Milwaukee ecosystem. So to say that I was excited when I saw the pass through ratchet, is an understatement because I've been wanting a long reach one for a while anyway, and a pass through would make me very happy. It's too bad that it's an underperformer. I already have a 3/8 regular ratchet that does that Insider Stutter. I sort of thought it was a torque limiting thing, because it doesn't do it all the time. But take that with all that adapter nonsense and I'll just get a regular long necker.
Im also invested in Milwaukee, and an E-ratchet is the last tool i want to make life easy. I was hoping the pass through would be better than the 2560 i am ready to buy because it has more flexibility. I will keep waiting because the ratchet isn't a requirement, just a nice to have.
I love this channel so much. Been watching it for a couple years, pretty balls deep into the red tool so I'm definitely not switching anytime soon but I love the comparisons. The other brands make amazing products
Even one millimeter is a lot on hard to reach bolts on European cars that are hidden between fire wall and turbo pipes. So I would say that that is great tool. You don’t need on vehicle big torque because most bolts are not torqued more than 20 nm.
Strange thing is TTI made a Craftsman pass-through ratchet before Stanley bought the Craftsman trademark. It doesnt stutter at all, it might not take the Dewalt in this test but I am sure it would surpass this new milwaukee due to the stuttering problem. Even though it only has an old tech Johnson can motor and isnt even brushless. What I wish they would come out with is a larger pass thru size like the '1/2 pass thru drive size', or even bigger honestly, keeping the same low profile thickness, for sockets having the fastener interface fully inside the drive head.(Like a squeeze wrench if anyone remembers those) If we are serious (especially at these prices) about low profile access whats taking so long for these companies to come out with this?
Yeah that new Insider is probably not worth the purchase, but they are pretty much hitting their RPM and torque claims which would make this the highest torque m12 ratchet if that matters to you. For me, I'm an automotive tech and Milwaukee's slim designs are a must for accessing hard to reach spots. They just simply fit in places other electric tools don't. That's worth the cost for me
The insider stuttering must be the pawls skipping over teeth when running at full speed, on account of the pawls being inside the oscillating part instead of the rotating part like it is in the older Milwaukee units. A stiffer pawl spring might fix that. If the spring was stiff enough but just so happens to hit some kind of resonance that could be fixed with some more grease.
You should repeat the tests for The Insider using regular sockets I have a feeling the pass-through sockets are what is causing the stutter. Especially considering it does better on the bigger nuts when you don't use the pass-through. I'm thinking that the bolt is slapping around inside and opening of the socket and causing the Pawl to jump teeth.
I was just looking at buying the new insider, so bloody good timing on the vid, think I will hold off now and wait to see if they make a gen 2. Gutted though as I had high hope when I seen it
Be good to see some Ingersoll Rand in the lineup, like the R3130. They also have a right angle impact that they call a ratchet, the W5330, rated to 245nm.
Have you thought about grabbing DeWalt's 12v version of this ratchet? Instead of 1/2 and 3/8, it is 3/8 and 1/4, along with a 1/4 hex bit adapter. It claims a torque figure of 50 ft lbs, and a no-load speed of 450 rpm
The M 12 Stutter you refer to has been an ongoing problem for me. with 3 different tools. eventually they fail and won't even turn a loose fastener in this "dead spot" that develops on tool. major bummer.
I wanted the DeWalt one but could not see spending all that money so I went with a Ryobi one. It works well for what I use it for, I think I made the right choice because I do not use the tool all the time, but like a lot of people I wanted to buy the better brand, but realized I did not need to buy the better brand.
Best thing I did was get a dewalt electric ratchet instead of my Milwaukee. I prefer having the more torque because I use it to break bolts loose. I know your not supposed to but when I'm crammed in a bus or RV. It's nice being able to do it on one go.
@@tylermcgonigal6031 you know I was thinking about it. I know the electric ratchets are definitely faster than hand ratchets. But if I have the needed space I'll always grab my impact gun which is both faster and has more torque. I mean it would still be nice to switch the ratchet from torque to speed but in those tighter spaces I'll mostly have it on the higher torque setting anyway. That is for me personally. I am also probably using the tool wrong but when I am inside a bus I usually don't care.
I have gotten my M12 stuck plenty of times. That recessed switch design makes it nearly impossible to free. I can already see how the new switch coupled with that 3mm of extra space could really help in those situations. Plus, it's got a bit driver adapter. This isn't really a replacement. It's just added versatility with minimal cost to power.
Thanks, I have all Milwaukee but looking to diversify, after Dewalt hands down, made a better light for me when I’m building the I-5 freeway to the grape vine or working at T4 at LAX!
Insider is my first battery-powered Milwaukee tool, Based on I have over 30 DeWalt batteries in my tool chest. Now they have free replacement adapters to fix the problem. I don’t care about how powerful they are; I just need a tool that can fit into almost any space and get the job done
I was about to say what happened to Craftsman's pass through socket design, I've had a small set for a long time and they are awesome but it seems that Crescent brand owns the design now, it would be awesome to see something like that for these because you can go all the way up to 7/8 or 19mm while retaining the pass through design as well as tooth design is pretty cool too. Keep up the awesome work!
The bigger tool kits go even up to 1" and 24mm sockets in the 3/8 drive max axess. Husky also uses that pattern still. And I've seen some house brands of auto parts stores use that pattern too. Love those sockets, would like to see a modern ratchet use that design drive now!
This is cool but craftsman had this design in a battery powered ratchet years ago with their 19.2v line of tools. I still have mine. Wasn’t a bad tool for the time. It was that whole max access stuff they had. Not exactly new tech, but nice to have the flexibility from Milwaukee.
The insider ratchet is indispensable working on combines. There are multiple belt adjusters with all thread about 1ft long. Craftsman made a battery pass through ratchet years ago that accepted the gearwrench pass through sockets and they are a huge time saving over loosening and tightening belt adjusters. Outside of that I don’t see hardly any use for them
I suspect the pass through milwaukee was not made with a mechanic in mind, but rather an electrician or construction worker who uses a lot of threaded rod.
As an electrician who was very keen on this through ratchet, I was dissapointed to see the Sockets don't have a deep option. I know it sounds ridiculous but when assembling unistrut or switchboards or suspended cable tray a shallow socket doesn't always work. Gotta get a flex head spanner out more often than you'd think
@@wearsjorge55but the pass through sockets are endlessly deep. I use a 9/16” (14mm) pretty much exclusively on threaded rod. That's where it would be awesome.
@@wearsjorge55 I wonder if there is a pass through extension for them? I assume your problem would be that the ratchet neck interferes before the socket touches.
I got a DeWalt 1/4in 12v ratchet and that thing is bad ass... I used it to tighten down a bolt and then I got out a torque wrench set to 40ftlbs, which is what its rated at, and it clicked and did not move the bolt. And its funny cause its the only yellow tool I have, everything else is Milwaukee.
If anyone from DeWalt is reading this, please design some pass through sockets that work with your new dcf ratchets. I actually wanted to buy the DeWalt over the Milwaukee but then once I saw the Milwaukee insider I was swayed by that one feature
I love this channel, one of the very few channels were I feel like you provide just what you see from the videos I watch. This type of channel is few and far between noways most people have some type of slant. Keep up the great work.
The larger sizes are not possible without making the head much bigger. The pass through bolt hole would mean the thickness of the socket wall would become thinner as it passes through the head. Disappointing to see the m12 underperform in torque, that was what I was hoping it be good at.
My first impression of the insider was not great and decided to pass on it. Once they updated the adapter to lock in that got me to give it a shot just cause i wanted to get a 1/4 and 1/2 ratchet so it saved me money if it was decent instead of buying 2. After using it a while though definitely has grown on me it isn't the end all of cordless ratchets but i feel like it fills in all the areas my high speed lacks perfect so having both just is a great combo really glad i got it. I tested it with lug nuts a while back and mine went to to 65 ftlbs from a torque wrench. I guess there could be a margin of error though from the torque wrench.
We sold that same sealed head as an air ratchet on Mac tool trucks in the late 90s. Early 2000s, at that time it was an exclusive and the 1/4 was awesome till Mac pulled a bunch of power out bc they were warranty replacing too many anvils.
Just bought the dewalt on an impulse at the blue big box store. Seems decent so far but my biggest gripe is the thickness of the tool. Feels cumbersome in the hand. Having both 3/8 and 1/2 anvil has been fantastic though. Especially considering my mid torque 891 is the go to.
Astro 1128, earthquake EQ38R. I don't know anything, just looked at them over m12 or XR which i have batteries for. And is "impacting" or "reactionless" really better? If so, IR has more options over what I'd spend.
Great video, as usual. I'm on Dewalt's platform so I've been eager to see your video on this DC510 come out. I'm glad it ranked well enough here. I'll be getting one - only if I can find it on sale. $250 for a dewalt ratchet seems quite steep to me.
I own a craftsman 19.2v insider ratchet. love the ratchet hated the head always flying off. I JD welded the head to the ratchet still use it till this day.
The reason for that slowdown is excessive vibration and the way the mechanism works on a power ratchet, vibration can keep the ratcheting mechanism from effectively engaging the next tooth when ratcheting, if you put some pressure on the head or the fastener to remove vibration you will see that it doesn’t slow down anymore. My high speed short 3/8 does it when removing stuff that is kind of too loosely held but the nut I’m removing is tightly attached.
pass through wrenches are a bit of a niche tool. when I did sign work and had to work with allthread pass through ratchets were a huge time saver, I can only imagine how much better an electric one would be regardless of what color it comes in
Those tests look great and all, but how about we add in the times I have to ram my M12 battery back into the machine when using it as it pops out from any jarring vibration.
I just see such limited use cases for these ratchets, especially at the price, but for construction folks they could make a lot of sense. What I want to see is cordless ratcheting wrenches. I've had a design in mind for a long time, but it's not like I'll be able to prototype and patent it before one of the big dawgs.
I wouldn’t know how to make my living without one. If I break mine I’m going immediately to buy another one. I don’t know how to I ever used an air ratchet.
@@dreece2000 Oh I mean specifically a pass through ratchet like this. Cordless ratchets in general are incredibly useful. This just seems like a more niche tool with a high price tag.
Had a pass through ratchet idea years ago why’ll working on combines. Older combines and even on the newer ones but not to bad now but they have long threaded rods and nuts to set belt tension on literally everything. Never would consider using it on anything that was actually tight but would save so much time for those situations just running nuts off or on quick.
I honestly don’t care about the torque rating on these ratings. I feel like 30 is plenty. People forget, these aren’t impact wrenches. If something is tighter than the ratchet will do, just use it as a hand ratchet and turn it! I feel like I’ve broken a lot of smaller fasteners with the m12 fuel. 60 foot pounds is way too much for smaller fasteners. Personally I think the 30 foot pounds is absolutely perfect. If i need 60 foot pounds I’ll go for my stubby impact wrench
Thank you. Pulled me back Saved me $300 Sticking with the old reliable slow Fuel. Just keeps going. Used and abused Was going to get the extended reach high speed. More of a it’s in the tool budget and I would like than a need. Then the insider was advertised. Might have get yellow tools if I need a new ratchet. The new m18 stuff is looking good so hoped the M12 would be too I have what I need. Now it’s the wants and back ups or upgrades. Hate to pay full price. The advertising and hype on the high speed and insider almost got me
My 2nd hand snap on ctr 761 has been through the wringer man ,but still shows up ready to work on monday. Not at all recommending snap on cordless stuff though 😂, but the ratchets are decent. Id still buy a Dewault though if i didnt have the "strap-on" lol
I've owned the insider for a couple days and got the first big job to use it yesterday. Performance is good optional socket position is nice. My big complaint is the adapters 1/4 3/8 fall right out. The sockets stay in fine but the adapter no go. After Chasing it a few times I ended up wrapping it with tape to Finnish the job.
How noisy is it? It looks cute and small but my M12 brushed ratchet is so noisy. I think a small cordless screwdriver with a 1/4 adapter would probably be better than the Ryobi USB C
@TorqueTestChannel seems like the "insider stutter" is only occuring when you're utilizing the pass through sockets on the smaller nuts. To me this would suggest that any small "roll/pitch/yaw" of the tool is causing the threads to rub on the inside of the pass through.....or possibly pieces of nylon are coming off and getting stuck inbetween the threads and pass through causing the friction. Easy way to test is to simply run the test without using any of the pass through sockets and see if the stutter still occurs.
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Can anyone explain an M18 FUEL circ saw being like $190 and their M12 ratchets $250-300 these days?
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Exactly!
They're using the inclusion of sockets to justify that price.😅
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@@12MRJERSEY Doesn't explain the $250 ones though! Lol.
2567 at Home Depot is $110 (with hack)...just got to know how to buy them lol
I just purchased the DeWalt DCF500B 12v sealed head ratchet and it came with three adaptors, a 3/8" and 1/4" square drive for sockets and a neat 1/4" hex drive to use with all 1/4" hex bits. (think 90 degree screwdriver) I just used it on some large tie rod bolts while rebuilding the front end suspension on a 3500 truck and it is a beast! Impressed the heck out of me. Will never use an air ratchet again. For the money and versatility, the DeWalt can't be beat, it's awesome!
I want to see how bad the 12v Hypertough ratchets are!
I've seen this request before. Are people for serious? If so we'll buy it to the next cordless ratchet episode - whatever that is
@@TorqueTestChannelI’d love to see them tested but the reality is it’s more out of curiosity then anything else. Unless it’s some sort of revolutionary tool (yeah right) I’d likely never buy one.
I buy Hyper Tough tools when they are on clearance. For example, I was able to purchase a combo kit with a Sawzall, impact driver, and a drill with 2 1.5 amp batteries for 32 us dollars. Well worth the cost for the Sawzall by itself.
I’m a weekend warrior mechanic and I’ve seriously considered these hyper tough ratchets for the value. I’d love to see these tested!
Yeah me too very curious about them
Wow! That did not go the way I would have thought initially. The DeWalt did great, the M12 not so much... that is why this channel is so important. Thanks for sharing all the results and for all the time that was taken for this testing!
This ended as I knew it would. The high-speed is still king. I'm so glad you pointed out how annoying those 3/8, 1/4 adapters would be. No othet reviewer has mentioned it, which I think is a very big deal since Milwaukee is trying to sell you on this high price tag as being a replacement for the other ratchets when it's not
How many of those reviewers had it sent to them by Milwaukee?
@@MustangAficionadolike 95% of them bro, we need better disclosures on social media
And when you lose one....
I have all of them. The insider is great, low profile with pass through for long bolts. I do heavy equipment and it's a life saver.
Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better about not being able to afford the insider LMAO
im an electrician and can see the use of the pass-through system of the Milwaukee. I don’t always need a lot of torque, but this could be very useful for instances of using long, threaded rods for mounting. pass through is pretty cool
Enjoy it for the week it lasts you.
It lasts a full week? The last six Dewalts I had to use wouldn't last an hour.
thats the big selling point to me as well, but they didnt seal the head so if you're doing tough stuff then grease will leak out and the pass through design for the sockets stops halfway through the range (?). ill wait until milwaukee can address those issues and come back with something you can slap an 18v battery on as well.
@@LESLASLESLASweek? Some of my Milwaukee tools are going on 6 years of everyday use still going strong
@edwardoavila7666 first of all they make a boot that goes over the head to prevent this, not having the pass through on all of the sockets I do find odd, the whole point of the 12v is that they are lighter, smaller and easier to work with which comes in handy over 18-20v tools, and if you need the power of an 18v tool when using a ratchet you should probably be using an impact gun instead.
To me, the most important feature, assuming the power ratchet has reasonable torque and speed, is the size. Smaller = better. The ratchet is no good if you can't get it into where you need it. Past a certain point, speed and torque don't matter; they do with an impact wrench, but not with a ratchet.
You guys have to do the DCF500 12V Sealed head next, I just picked one up and its claiming 450 RPM AND 50 Ft lbs of torque, as well as having a 1/4 hex drive plug. Seeing how the past 12V Dewalts did it may be a little beast on the charts, as long as you can actually fit it where you need it with its size.
it looks like that one is targeting the M12 High Speed 2567-20. I own that Milwaukee and previously owned the OG M12 brushed ratchet and 2557-20 Fuel low speed (last from the chart yeah) but that one got stolen from my truck so I got the high speed one.
Yes it's quick but it's a torqueless wonder, I think even the OG brushed one had a bit more torque. And having a lower speed might actually help with more control when setting nuts back in. Or maybe it's just me.
If the DCF500 keeps the speed from the 2567-20 while delivering more torque then it would be a win for many
I definitely agree that would be sweet to see if the rpms are truly better on the 12v than the 20v and if it can dethrone the milwaukee
I love what you guys do just that every time I buy a tool your next video is of a better version of it
Haha, talk to the brands. We just buy what they come out with. Nothing in this video really make anything they were selling outdated though
The thing I noticed about the milwakee extended reach I bought a year ago, is that when it was new, the tolerances between the parts of the tool were so tight that it caused it to feel weak, and do the stutter that you guys were experiencing. I was highly disappointed and almost returned it but kept it anyway. After a fair bit of use, though, the thing started to loosen up, the stutter went away, and it seems to have much more power now than when it was new. I don't know if this is a common experience, so I figured I would comment. 😊
i’ve been happy with the durability of dewalt cordless tools, they stand the test of time, and their batteries hold up, too
The DCF510 wont dissapoint. I bought the bundle with an extra battery. I have owned it for about a month and so far no complaints.
Hey Torque TestChannel: The stutter that you mentioned when using the Insider appears to happen because the handle is being lifted higher and lower than perpendicular (as you are tightening the nut) relative to the bolt when using the passthrough socket in the smaller size. I think this is causing the bolt to bind or rub against the pass through in the socket.
Check it out on you video. You can see the operator holding the ratchet is not keeping it perpendicular to the bolt as the pass through moves up and down the bolt.
This would also explain why it does not happen when you are using the regular deep sockets on the larger bolts. Not passthrough for the bolt the bind on.
Give it another try using the 3/8 adapter and standard deep sockets on all the bolts. If it does not bog or stutter we will know that when using the pass through sockets it can bind if not carful.
I have the dcf510 and 500 DeWalts. They blow me away with all their upgrades! A solid win for team yellow! 😁
Plan on buying one, which of the 2 should i get? (my first el ratchet)
@@chucknorris2952 The 510 for power, the 500 for small head, smaller body and faster speed.
The 510 comes with 3/8 and 1/2 anvils.
The 500 comes with 1/4, 3/8 and 1/4 quick change hex.
Stoked to finally see the comparison!
So far I am in love with the sealed head unit, it’s helped on trail repairs several times, and been a lifesaver while working on the top of my 6.0 powerstroke! 🤙
Just got the DeWalt 3/8 and 1/2” ratchet, with a 5ah power stack battery for $250 from Lowes.
Struggleville is a very helpful channel that shares some pretty awesome tool deals!
I vote for best sub $100 pneumatic ratchet vs best sub $100 electric ratchet with best overall electric vs pneumatic regardless of price, all based off your previous charts. Anything additional is a bonus!
As an auto body tech I use the absolute shit out of the high speed team red in 1/4". It definitely has more forward torque, some times you have to tighten and loosen bolts frequently when aligning panels. The good old neutral drop comes in handy though, sure it's not good on your sockets or hardware but it saves a ton of time.
@@0TheLastLoneWolf when working flat rate every minute counts...
I have the older 2457 and just bought the Milwaukee insider. Both exhibit the same slipping or not spinnong occasionally. Sometimes it seems to happen when the nut doesnt have alot of tension on it. The 2457 was getting worse since I have owned it for aroubd 10 years and I watched a video showing how to take the head apart and clean the grease out on springs that press the head forward as they build up grease and dirt over time. After cleaning it worked much better.
I have an m12 high speed and just got the insider. Noticeably slower but it honestly doesn't matter too much. The biggest draw to me is I'm hoping it's more durable. I've had to replace the head in my high speed numerous times because either the ball falls out, or it'll switch directions randomly. They're $30 or so everytime. Plus having both a 1/4 and 3/8 in one is nice.
looking at that grease spray on the insider at the end of the video did not give me confidence in it's long term survivability.
@@Spyhermit My snap on used to spray grease and it never had a problem. It did have a grease fitting though
Hey I'll take more grease over no grease! But it does seem in a hurry to wave goodbye to the stuff
@@TorqueTestChannel Yeah mine doesn't look as bad as that one but I haven't used it much for sustained periods of time like your gauntlet. Could probably shoot some more in there with a needle greaser.
people don't realize how often you have to grease these damn things 😂 the high speeds probably chew through those heads super fast. I went with snap on for my ratchets, I think they feel the best and have great quality especially being able to easily grease the head with a fitting instead of smearing it into the inside of the milwaukee head 😂 I still like the milwaukee besides for the handle and overall uncomfortable shape and direction switch.
Boy do I want Astro to make an air ratchet for their Nano sockets. One ratchet with a swappable 17mm/22mm insert so it works with both their 3/8" and 1/2" Nano sockets would be sweet.
With a long head option as well. That would make timing covers so much easier
Agreed!
Even though I have the insider and the Dewalt, the insider is the one I use the most. Due to its longer and narrow neck it's easier to get into tight spots working on cars. The Dewalt is more handy when the long neck of the insider can't wrap around areas, but when that's the case, you're better off with a traditional wrench and swivel adapter.
Wow! The most comprehensive breakdown I’ve seen yet! I was gung-ho about buying the Milwaukee due to other previously posted videos, but I am glad I waited and have seen your feedback. Thank you for all you guys do! Company’s should def invest in you guys!
The SP Air SP-7730 has insane numbers and seems to be a contender for the best thing out there in air ratchets.
I have a SP-1765, and the thing is almost too fast.
i'm in my 80's and I love this channel!
I have been using a MAC Tools 10.8V (UK)/12V (US) for around 3-4 years now. It hasnt slowed down or gotten any weaker. The grease nipple is a brillant feature and it is prooven as in that 3-4 year time span I have witnessed many people buying at least 2-3 milwaukee ratchets.
Everyone always says its slower but I personally can live with that knowing I dont need to torque check everything considering its strength, not to mention I use the thing as a breaker bar, hammer and battering ram.
Honestly my one of my favourite tools I have ever bought.
Not sure if I should upgrade when it eventually dies, when ever that shall be, or pay the money to repair it.
This video has definately made me lean towards buying a new one but I would like to see how much abuse it can handle, sadly they havent been out long enough.
I’ve had my insider for nearly a year now. And it’s my favorite one by far tbh. Like I don’t need the extreme torque of the snap on ones or the super high speed of the high speed fuel models. This is all in one and has treated me very well, as I’ve also maintained it.
I am a milwaukee fanboy but I'll be the first to admit their ratchets absolutely SUCK. The stalling issue gets worse over time until you have to take the tool apart, clean, lube, and hope it fixes it. I've been really disappointed in their ratchets for this reason.
Stalling issue?
@ yes. The ratchet mechanisms are junk. The handle and motor assembly are fine.
I've had that stalling issue with my basic non-fuel M12 3/8 cordless ratchet. At least it looks very similar. What I've found is it happens when the direction isn't actually fully engaged. Like it seems like it is, and you can't turn the toggle any further, but the teeth will still skip allowing the ratchet to feel like it's operating as normal, but not actually turning the head. Strange.
My high speed m12 does the same thing.. motor is running full speed but the anvil isn’t turning.. pisses me off lol
It mostly happens due to excessive vibration, next time try putting your hand on the head of the ratchet or the fastener and you’ll see it will start working, the way the mechanism works if there’s too much vibration it can’t engage the next set of teeth
Matco did pass through sockets on an air ratchet over 20 years ago. I didn’t use them often at all.
I'll take breakaway torque over some speed any day of the week. I don't mind waiting a second or 2 per fastener as long as it breaks it loose.
Was hoping DeWalt with this release would have been an impact ratchet.. but hopefully soon.
Great video as always, well done.
An impact ratchet in cordless would be sweet!
I love my kobalt impact ratchet. Head is definitely fat but it works super good!
@@rc-daily As far as i know, Kobalt only has a cordless ratchet and cordless right angle impact. An impact ratchet believe it or not (there's a lot of shared terms, also often called a reactionless ratchet) is a bit different
@TorqueTestChannel I guess technically it is a right angle impact. Gets the job done though. Even though it's definitely not the strongest impact on the market today but when you have kobalt tools you buy it 🤣🤣🤣
@@rc-dailyWe think that Kobalt is great honestly
You need to test the DCF500 12V Sealed head ratchet. For some reason the 12v seems to always perform better than the 20v ones.
Based on your tests, I purchased the DCF503 12v to replace the weak Milwaukee ratchet I had, and it performs great! A much better tool than the red brand.
@wwdiesel
Yea my dcf500 is pretty quick with great torque 👍
"I need a new ratchet" ** googles Torque Test Channel **
All my milwaukee impacts and ratchets stutter. M18 &m12... was told by the rep that it was normal, hate it so much I don't even use them anymore. Went back to my trust 14.4 snappy long reaches and air impacts. My snap on ratchets are both 5/6 years old and never failed. Just wish milwaukee would fix this issue already
I have both the Insider and Extended Reach 3/8s and I don't need both. Having a stupid hard time deciding which to keep. I know it's what I would use it for - mainly for car work and bikes. And I don't work on them daily. Do I just keep both??
The crown jewel behind the insider is the thinner design with socket, it fits in tight places. The pass through is just a novelty, which is why it stops at 15mm. 11 seconds slower than a competitor is still multiple seconds faster than hand ratcheting.
Dewalt has a 12v version of the sealed head, you should test that for fairness. But I’m glad you made this video so I know not to get the Milwaukee. I work on rusty stuffy, and that means the socket and nut are usually tightly bonded together, so the way the Milwaukee adapters just slide out is a deal breaker for sure
I bought a desalt cordless 3/4 in packet gun 20 years ago still rocks. Worked as a automotive tech for 13 years. Still going
They need to develop a universal system for female hex drive ratchets, just as they have done for the male and female square drive. Proprietary drive sockets and adapters seems silly IMO.
Ugh. Well... I'm invested in the Milwaukee ecosystem. So to say that I was excited when I saw the pass through ratchet, is an understatement because I've been wanting a long reach one for a while anyway, and a pass through would make me very happy. It's too bad that it's an underperformer. I already have a 3/8 regular ratchet that does that Insider Stutter. I sort of thought it was a torque limiting thing, because it doesn't do it all the time. But take that with all that adapter nonsense and I'll just get a regular long necker.
Im also invested in Milwaukee, and an E-ratchet is the last tool i want to make life easy. I was hoping the pass through would be better than the 2560 i am ready to buy because it has more flexibility. I will keep waiting because the ratchet isn't a requirement, just a nice to have.
So which one would you recommend for tight access automotive work?
I would also like to know
I love this channel so much. Been watching it for a couple years, pretty balls deep into the red tool so I'm definitely not switching anytime soon but I love the comparisons. The other brands make amazing products
Even one millimeter is a lot on hard to reach bolts on European cars that are hidden between fire wall and turbo pipes. So I would say that that is great tool. You don’t need on vehicle big torque because most bolts are not torqued more than 20 nm.
Strange thing is TTI made a Craftsman pass-through ratchet before Stanley bought the Craftsman trademark. It doesnt stutter at all, it might not take the Dewalt in this test but I am sure it would surpass this new milwaukee due to the stuttering problem. Even though it only has an old tech Johnson can motor and isnt even brushless. What I wish they would come out with is a larger pass thru size like the '1/2 pass thru drive size', or even bigger honestly, keeping the same low profile thickness, for sockets having the fastener interface fully inside the drive head.(Like a squeeze wrench if anyone remembers those) If we are serious (especially at these prices) about low profile access whats taking so long for these companies to come out with this?
Yeah that new Insider is probably not worth the purchase, but they are pretty much hitting their RPM and torque claims which would make this the highest torque m12 ratchet if that matters to you. For me, I'm an automotive tech and Milwaukee's slim designs are a must for accessing hard to reach spots. They just simply fit in places other electric tools don't. That's worth the cost for me
The insider stuttering must be the pawls skipping over teeth when running at full speed, on account of the pawls being inside the oscillating part instead of the rotating part like it is in the older Milwaukee units. A stiffer pawl spring might fix that. If the spring was stiff enough but just so happens to hit some kind of resonance that could be fixed with some more grease.
I was thinking the same thing. I also don’t like the violent shaking of the lever. It seems it will shake itself apart at some point.
You should repeat the tests for The Insider using regular sockets I have a feeling the pass-through sockets are what is causing the stutter. Especially considering it does better on the bigger nuts when you don't use the pass-through. I'm thinking that the bolt is slapping around inside and opening of the socket and causing the Pawl to jump teeth.
Exactly!
Milwaukee has awoken a monster. B&D r&d is definitely not sitting on their hands anymore. It’s really fun getting to watch them go at it.
Exactly!
I've been impressed with my DCF510. So much so that the 513 has been gifted to a friend.
@joshuaking34 I traded my dcf513 in to my Mac dealer for the new 510. Boy was it worth it!!
I was just looking at buying the new insider, so bloody good timing on the vid, think I will hold off now and wait to see if they make a gen 2. Gutted though as I had high hope when I seen it
Be good to see some Ingersoll Rand in the lineup, like the R3130. They also have a right angle impact that they call a ratchet, the W5330, rated to 245nm.
Have you thought about grabbing DeWalt's 12v version of this ratchet? Instead of 1/2 and 3/8, it is 3/8 and 1/4, along with a 1/4 hex bit adapter. It claims a torque figure of 50 ft lbs, and a no-load speed of 450 rpm
The M 12 Stutter you refer to has been an ongoing problem for me. with 3 different tools. eventually they fail and won't even turn a loose fastener in this "dead spot" that develops on tool. major bummer.
I wanted the DeWalt one but could not see spending all that money so I went with a Ryobi one. It works well for what I use it for, I think I made the right choice because I do not use the tool all the time, but like a lot of people I wanted to buy the better brand, but realized I did not need to buy the better brand.
I think the algos were happy w/ this one.. First time viewer here. Subbed, great content. 🥂
Best thing I did was get a dewalt electric ratchet instead of my Milwaukee. I prefer having the more torque because I use it to break bolts loose. I know your not supposed to but when I'm crammed in a bus or RV. It's nice being able to do it on one go.
too bad they cant have a high torque or high speed switch
@@tylermcgonigal6031 that would make a lot of sense. Like a drills speed selector.
@@tylermcgonigal6031 you know I was thinking about it. I know the electric ratchets are definitely faster than hand ratchets. But if I have the needed space I'll always grab my impact gun which is both faster and has more torque. I mean it would still be nice to switch the ratchet from torque to speed but in those tighter spaces I'll mostly have it on the higher torque setting anyway. That is for me personally. I am also probably using the tool wrong but when I am inside a bus I usually don't care.
I have gotten my M12 stuck plenty of times. That recessed switch design makes it nearly impossible to free. I can already see how the new switch coupled with that 3mm of extra space could really help in those situations. Plus, it's got a bit driver adapter. This isn't really a replacement. It's just added versatility with minimal cost to power.
Thanks, I have all Milwaukee but looking to diversify, after Dewalt hands down, made a better light for me when I’m building the I-5 freeway to the grape vine or working at T4 at LAX!
Insider is my first battery-powered Milwaukee tool, Based on I have over 30 DeWalt batteries in my tool chest. Now they have free replacement adapters to fix the problem. I don’t care about how powerful they are; I just need a tool that can fit into almost any space and get the job done
I was about to say what happened to Craftsman's pass through socket design, I've had a small set for a long time and they are awesome but it seems that Crescent brand owns the design now, it would be awesome to see something like that for these because you can go all the way up to 7/8 or 19mm while retaining the pass through design as well as tooth design is pretty cool too. Keep up the awesome work!
The bigger tool kits go even up to 1" and 24mm sockets in the 3/8 drive max axess. Husky also uses that pattern still. And I've seen some house brands of auto parts stores use that pattern too. Love those sockets, would like to see a modern ratchet use that design drive now!
This is cool but craftsman had this design in a battery powered ratchet years ago with their 19.2v line of tools. I still have mine. Wasn’t a bad tool for the time. It was that whole max access stuff they had. Not exactly new tech, but nice to have the flexibility from Milwaukee.
The insider ratchet is indispensable working on combines. There are multiple belt adjusters with all thread about 1ft long. Craftsman made a battery pass through ratchet years ago that accepted the gearwrench pass through sockets and they are a huge time saving over loosening and tightening belt adjusters. Outside of that I don’t see hardly any use for them
I suspect the pass through milwaukee was not made with a mechanic in mind, but rather an electrician or construction worker who uses a lot of threaded rod.
Possibly, and that would make sense. But we sure see a lot of marketing to mechanics on this one from day 1
Sometimes marketing doesn't have a clue.
As an electrician who was very keen on this through ratchet, I was dissapointed to see the Sockets don't have a deep option.
I know it sounds ridiculous but when assembling unistrut or switchboards or suspended cable tray a shallow socket doesn't always work. Gotta get a flex head spanner out more often than you'd think
@@wearsjorge55but the pass through sockets are endlessly deep.
I use a 9/16” (14mm) pretty much exclusively on threaded rod. That's where it would be awesome.
@@wearsjorge55 I wonder if there is a pass through extension for them? I assume your problem would be that the ratchet neck interferes before the socket touches.
I got a DeWalt 1/4in 12v ratchet and that thing is bad ass... I used it to tighten down a bolt and then I got out a torque wrench set to 40ftlbs, which is what its rated at, and it clicked and did not move the bolt. And its funny cause its the only yellow tool I have, everything else is Milwaukee.
I like my cheap 12v Husky but I'm a DeWALT guy and want the DeWALT ratchet.
If anyone from DeWalt is reading this, please design some pass through sockets that work with your new dcf ratchets. I actually wanted to buy the DeWalt over the Milwaukee but then once I saw the Milwaukee insider I was swayed by that one feature
Im a mechanic and have 0 use for a pass through ratchet
@user-di7dn6yh9r Like you're going to take less speed, torque and stuttering over the flawless DeWalt!?
I love this channel, one of the very few channels were I feel like you provide just what you see from the videos I watch. This type of channel is few and far between noways most people have some type of slant. Keep up the great work.
The larger sizes are not possible without making the head much bigger. The pass through bolt hole would mean the thickness of the socket wall would become thinner as it passes through the head. Disappointing to see the m12 underperform in torque, that was what I was hoping it be good at.
Bostich made a 3/8&1/2 pass through metric-standard set for $80. Beautiful chrome too.
My first impression of the insider was not great and decided to pass on it. Once they updated the adapter to lock in that got me to give it a shot just cause i wanted to get a 1/4 and 1/2 ratchet so it saved me money if it was decent instead of buying 2. After using it a while though definitely has grown on me it isn't the end all of cordless ratchets but i feel like it fills in all the areas my high speed lacks perfect so having both just is a great combo really glad i got it. I tested it with lug nuts a while back and mine went to to 65 ftlbs from a torque wrench. I guess there could be a margin of error though from the torque wrench.
We sold that same sealed head as an air ratchet on Mac tool trucks in the late 90s. Early 2000s, at that time it was an exclusive and the 1/4 was awesome till Mac pulled a bunch of power out bc they were warranty replacing too many anvils.
Thanks as always for ur time on doing these videos. Especially on the newest stuff out there
Interesting at the Milwaukee Studdering 9:20 @Torque Test Channel
Just bought the dewalt on an impulse at the blue big box store. Seems decent so far but my biggest gripe is the thickness of the tool. Feels cumbersome in the hand.
Having both 3/8 and 1/2 anvil has been fantastic though. Especially considering my mid torque 891 is the go to.
Astro 1128, earthquake EQ38R. I don't know anything, just looked at them over m12 or XR which i have batteries for. And is "impacting" or "reactionless" really better? If so, IR has more options over what I'd spend.
Great video, as usual. I'm on Dewalt's platform so I've been eager to see your video on this DC510 come out. I'm glad it ranked well enough here. I'll be getting one - only if I can find it on sale. $250 for a dewalt ratchet seems quite steep to me.
What about the 12v sealed Dewalt? Testing that soon? Also would love to see air impact ratchets.
I own a craftsman 19.2v insider ratchet. love the ratchet hated the head always flying off. I JD welded the head to the ratchet still use it till this day.
The reason for that slowdown is excessive vibration and the way the mechanism works on a power ratchet, vibration can keep the ratcheting mechanism from effectively engaging the next tooth when ratcheting, if you put some pressure on the head or the fastener to remove vibration you will see that it doesn’t slow down anymore. My high speed short 3/8 does it when removing stuff that is kind of too loosely held but the nut I’m removing is tightly attached.
pass through wrenches are a bit of a niche tool. when I did sign work and had to work with allthread pass through ratchets were a huge time saver, I can only imagine how much better an electric one would be regardless of what color it comes in
Please test the dcf500 🙏 So curious how it compares to the DCF510 after the last 12v beat the 20v.
Those tests look great and all, but how about we add in the times I have to ram my M12 battery back into the machine when using it as it pops out from any jarring vibration.
I have the 503 and the 510. love them both.
Wonder if they’ll come out with m12 forge batteries and if they do, if it’ll run better.
I just see such limited use cases for these ratchets, especially at the price, but for construction folks they could make a lot of sense. What I want to see is cordless ratcheting wrenches. I've had a design in mind for a long time, but it's not like I'll be able to prototype and patent it before one of the big dawgs.
I wouldn’t know how to make my living without one. If I break mine I’m going immediately to buy another one. I don’t know how to I ever used an air ratchet.
@@dreece2000 Oh I mean specifically a pass through ratchet like this. Cordless ratchets in general are incredibly useful. This just seems like a more niche tool with a high price tag.
Had a pass through ratchet idea years ago why’ll working on combines. Older combines and even on the newer ones but not to bad now but they have long threaded rods and nuts to set belt tension on literally everything. Never would consider using it on anything that was actually tight but would save so much time for those situations just running nuts off or on quick.
I honestly don’t care about the torque rating on these ratings. I feel like 30 is plenty. People forget, these aren’t impact wrenches. If something is tighter than the ratchet will do, just use it as a hand ratchet and turn it! I feel like I’ve broken a lot of smaller fasteners with the m12 fuel. 60 foot pounds is way too much for smaller fasteners. Personally I think the 30 foot pounds is absolutely perfect. If i need 60 foot pounds I’ll go for my stubby impact wrench
I actually use the insider every day and I love it, I do wish all the sockets were pass through as well but it is what it is
the high speed m12 ratchets can stall like this too, supposedly caused by grease being between the pawl and the ratchet head.
literally bought the dewalt this morning. finally picked the better choice BEFORE seeing your video pitting them
Well this channel is clearly paid by DeWalt so...
Not sure if serious, but we dont accept any sponsorships, product placements, free tools from brands or anything of the like
@@TorqueTestChannel lol i’m saying i bought it this morning then get home and see your video on it. glad it placed well
@@CokeMk7 Was replying to someone who said we were paid for by DeWALT. But looks like he deleted it
@@TorqueTestChannel ohhh makes way more sense
PLEASE TEST THE ASTRO 1128
Thank you. Pulled me back
Saved me $300
Sticking with the old reliable slow Fuel. Just keeps going. Used and abused
Was going to get the extended reach high speed. More of a it’s in the tool budget and I would like than a need. Then the insider was advertised.
Might have get yellow tools if I need a new ratchet.
The new m18 stuff is looking good so hoped the M12 would be too
I have what I need. Now it’s the wants and back ups or upgrades. Hate to pay full price.
The advertising and hype on the high speed and insider almost got me
The one word that will always keep my wallet shut:
Proprietary...
Absolutely, instantly do a 360 and walk away
Love the channel, been waiting for this one as I've been eyeballing the DCF510 for a bit. 12V DCF500 next?!?!
was waiting on this one ! saw the sealed head on the mac tool truck and wanted to see how it stacked up!
My 2nd hand snap on ctr 761 has been through the wringer man ,but still shows up ready to work on monday. Not at all recommending snap on cordless stuff though 😂, but the ratchets are decent. Id still buy a Dewault though if i didnt have the "strap-on" lol
I've owned the insider for a couple days and got the first big job to use it yesterday. Performance is good optional socket position is nice. My big complaint is the adapters 1/4 3/8 fall right out. The sockets stay in fine but the adapter no go. After Chasing it a few times I ended up wrapping it with tape to Finnish the job.
Sounds quite unhandy.........
@@slingin_tires I am not sure why they didn't make a lock for the sockets. I guess Gen 2 might have one.
@@DocsPropShop I ended up getting both DeWalt's and their anvils lock in nice and tight.
I bought the Ryobi USB C ratchet. It struggles with even small fasteners
How noisy is it? It looks cute and small but my M12 brushed ratchet is so noisy. I think a small cordless screwdriver with a 1/4 adapter would probably be better than the Ryobi USB C
@@gf2e it’s not too bad. It doesn’t set off the sound warning on my watch
What i would like to see is DCF500 12v Closed head vs m12 Insider...
@TorqueTestChannel seems like the "insider stutter" is only occuring when you're utilizing the pass through sockets on the smaller nuts. To me this would suggest that any small "roll/pitch/yaw" of the tool is causing the threads to rub on the inside of the pass through.....or possibly pieces of nylon are coming off and getting stuck inbetween the threads and pass through causing the friction. Easy way to test is to simply run the test without using any of the pass through sockets and see if the stutter still occurs.