Steve Reviews: Corpse Bride
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Today we take a look at Tim Burton's 3rd and so far, final stop motion feature; Corpse Bride. Where as his previous stop motion film (Nightmare Before Christmas), combined Horror with Christmas, Corpse bride blends Horror with Romance. A combination in holy matrimony? Let's take a look....
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I'm fairly certain the world of the dead is just for people with unfinished business. Emily turning into butterflies is a representation of her finishing her business and passing on to the afterlife
Basically limbo
Difference being that you seem to have a choice whether or not you stick around.
@@AzureMoebius22 I mean wouldn’t it be up to yourself to determine wether or not you have unfinished business.
If I was murdered and became a restless spirit I would be tuck in a sort of limbo until I see my business concluded. And if I deem it so then that could be when I get revenge or just when I bored.
At least that’s kind of how I always saw this movie and other similar representations of limbo and limbo states in film and stuff.
@@AnimatedTerror When I said that, I didn't mean regardless of unfinished business. Until your business is done, you're stuck there. But if you do finish your business but happen to like it there, you can decide to stick around. I doubt everyone in the land of the dead has unfinished business.
@@AzureMoebius22 yea plus the skeleton who sent Emily and Victor back 2 the land of the living seems 2 have been there for a long time
Okay, about the ending: The whole time that Emily was dead she wished for nothing more than to be a bride and finally get married, when Victor came along this wish was about to come true. At the end she realised that even if Victor wanted to marry her out of free will it was only because he thought he lost Victoria and when she saw Victoria she understood that by forcing her wish to come true she would take another womans wish away. In that moment she could finally let go and let her soul rest in peace, that's the butterfly part.
Seems legit
Yeah I always interpreted the ending as Emily basically becoming enlightened and moving on, instead of going through with her selfish earthly desires that kept her stuck.
i always saw the land of the dead as more a purgatory and by sacrificing the thing she wanted (to marry) she was able to go to heaven
@@teleisha249 Yeah me too, well maybe not purgatory but a place for people who still weren't quite "done" with their life.
That kind of reminds me of the Sci Fi channel ident involving the Butterfly Woman.
The reason Emily decided to stop the wedding, is literally said in dialogue. She doesn’t want the same thing to happen to Victoria that happened to her, and I think she’s right to do that. When she faded into butterflies it’s a symbol that she is at peace, and free. She found this closure through allowing Victoria to have in life what Emily couldn’t
There isn’t release in not being loved…just a 4th wall break that you’re truly alone and butterflies tend to represent the matrix too.
Also the fact that, this time, Emily is the one who chose to decline the groom rather than other around like in her past. She could have went ahead and married the man but she did not. This certainly helped with her closure
@@maepicnic2460 it isn’t really love its more of acceptance she can finally rest knowing someone doesn’t have to suffer like she did
Butterflies are also symbols of transformation. She was transformed & set free through the whole experience, onto whatever’s next.
@@maepicnic2460 interesting take I suppose. The butterfly symbolism is said to be a huge part of MK ultra, but I still think the transformation symbolism is super obvious here. Death is a door.
Some notes:
The beginning song was SUPPOSED to be underwhelming. It wasnt the main focus of the story yet, and it adds to the dreariness of the town.
- Emily never married Barkus, they were engaged. She stole her own wealth so they could take off and elope, but Barkus killed her and took her money. That's why she was waiting to be married.
- the butterfly ending was symbolic. Referring to the beginning, Barkus was swatting away a butterfly - the only color in the land of the living. She turned into butterflies as symbolism of being free from him and making peace with her death. Shes no longer a woman in white (so to speak)
While you are correct on the butterfly but the thing with Barkus is that she wasnt even engaged to him. Her father disproved the union. Thats why she met up with him after dark in the woods.
Fun Fact: In the very beginning, when Victor is sketching a butterfly, this scene is supposed to foreshadow what's going to happen to Emilie in the end. Just like the butterfly is trapped under the glass dome in the beginning, Emilie is also trapped, but in "wedding limbo". And just like Victor sets the butterfly free from its prison in the beginning, he will also set Emilie free from her vows with Lord Barkis in the end. Which is why she turns into butterflies specifically, so it'll show the parallels between the beginning and ending
Lord Barkis also swats at the beginning butterfly symbolizing killing her or at least not actually liking her
@@blosiblewolf1273 YOOO I NEVER NOTICED THIS THAT WAS DEFINITELY INTENTIONAL
Such an opulent genius
Lol you said emilie instead of Emily
Aw that's so pretty
Fun fact: The animation for Corpse Bride was done so buttery smooth and perfect, people kept thinking Burton made it using CG and not stop motion! He did not like this, as he's pretty proud of his stop motion style, so when Frankenweenie was made, he cut back just a bit on the smoothness of his animation to show it really was stop motion.
He only used CGI on Mars Attacks because the stop motion would be too expensive, though it still looks like stop motion every time the martians are moving
Burton literally has the hands of a god like his films are 👁👁 S O. S M O O T H. AHFKEIGNWIGJNWIGJWVJ
@@kikisakura8189 you say this as if Burton animates the films himself... Everyone that knows his work well enough knows that he really only makes the illustrations and has other artists/animators bring his work to life. While I do appreciate his art and his style, I don't think he should take all the credit for "animating" when there are so many artists and staff members working so hard, getting the most minute details down in order for his vision to be completed.
@@spinky_wav yeah. Like you said his designs are really cool. I feel like the designs are half the reason these films work. But it’s not him animating.
@@spinky_wav it's just smooth clay animations make me cream, I mean cream, I mean cream, I mean cream, I mean cream, I mean cream, I mean cream, I mean cream, I mean cream, I mean cream, I mean cream, I mean cream, I mean cream, I mean cream, I mean cream, I mean cream, I mean...
The "Keep it down, we're in a church!" joke has always been my favourite line in the movie
And they just politely walk past him.
Mine is when they use the haunting spell so Victor reaches Victoria again, Emily catches them, and is immediately jealous.
@@blue-hawaii-mc4vf "Victor... who's this?" lmao
@@jimbobstinkums the way she grabs his arm 😭🤣
It Ended In The Right Way!! I'm Satisfyed 😊
I think the reason Emily looks the way she does is because she was buried on a shallow grave with her arm and leg sticking out. They decomposed faster, being exposed to the elements. The only further question is how no one in the village found her in that time.
I. Know it’s been 8 months but in my idea, Lord Barkis convinced her to ‘run away’ with him so the town and her parents assume she has run away with her new husband when she’s really been buried
My best guess is no one goes in the woods and if they did then they just thought her limbs were tree limbs or sticks. They really wouldn’t have a reason to go there.
Well it's a movie, so there is no reason since it never states it.
But taking a look at real life.
People have gone missing, and there's been massive search parties looking for them.
Just for the person a few years later on being found dead. And the police then realise that they where only a few meters off.
Like it was an "if i only had looked to the left at that moment" or "Blink and you miss it"
Sometimes it just happen even through your best efforts.
@@mr-x7689 Gosh this is so true. The amount of times bodies have just been rotting in someone's yard or at the bottom of a lake. Most time's dead bodies are often found either they were told by the person who hide it or someone just came across the body at random. Which they don't always call the police.
whats probably most disturbing is that its implied Victor frequents the forest. All this time hes been hanging around her corpse up until that moment.
I actually like how Emily and Victoria subverts the Betty and Veronica archetype in love triangles. Instead of having Victor all to herself, Emily lets him go so that Victoria can be happy with him. It’s healing from her traumatic past that is her happy ending. I think it’s a genuinely good message to teach to children about not always having the one at the end. What matters is finding their happiness with or without a love interest and both choices are valid.
Edit: Jesus Christ, why can’t some people behave? -_-
Oh hey megatron Funny seen you here I guess you're a fan of his Channel as well
Pretty much agree.
Plus, in all fairness to the film, I feel like it would be a, uh, questionable message to give to kids of "yes, children, you should kill yourself for your loved ones if they ask". Perhaps they felt like they wrote themselves into a corner, but I prefer to assume that they also just wanted to run with the idea of moving on from your past, even if you have fond memories, even if it hurts.
My issue with Emily giving him up is that we don't see him with Victoria. It's one of the weakest plot points of the movie. They needed to dedicate more time to Victor and Victoria so it doesn't feel so random that they fell in love. But I much prefer him be with Emily, it almost ruined the movie for me but I still love it and it's one of my favorites.
@@wintermoon7003 I see ur point and actually think that they deffenetly needed more screan time together to make their love more believable, I found that one scene they had at the begining cute, and I like bit more victor and victoria, but yes that makes it weaker
Emily did not marry which is why she was so excited when Victor "proposed". Her killer's plan was to elope with her since her parents did not agree with their relationship. When she brought all the money of her family (which he told her to bring), he killed her at the meeting place which was the large tree Victor found her under. She was wearing a wedding dress because she assumed they'd marry after they ran away together.
Spoiler at the End
That's why he says "always the bridesmaid, never the bride".
Plus, he attacked her from behind. She never knew her fiancé tricked and left her for dead. So, she’s been waiting a long time for love.
Also keep in mind that this was all based off of a Russian fairytale, where the ghost of a woman who died before her wedding seduces a starry eyed young man to help her track down her fiancé who killed her so that she can have revenge.
@@1lobster I never actually knew that! Fascinating
@@TheTaylorwailer some thing vaguely resembling what I said at least. The description I gave is a more accurate summary of the original story than the corpse bride movie.
@@TheTaylorwailer OK so apparently the version I told you was a Christianized version from the 19th century. The original Jewish version from the 18th century involves the ghost of a woman who was killed during the pogroms on her wedding night. Two Jewish boys are camping in the forest the night before the older boy’s wedding. They get drunk, and find a funny root in the shape of a woman’s finger, so they preform the wedding vows, and dance the wedding dance. The corpse bride is a skeleton in a dress, not a half mummified Beauty like Emily. Horny ghost shenanigans ensue, until the two boys seek the help of the rabbi. The rabbi and all the other Jewish schoolers in town gather, and decide the dead have no entitlement to the living, which makes the corps bride really sad. But the living bride consoles her, by promising to have enough children for the both of them, so the corpse bride returned to the land of the dead, and the young couple lived happily ever after.
I think Emily giving Victor up was the most mature ending. It was clear Victor was going to marry Emily only because he felt he lost Victoria and wanted to make right at least one wrong (giving poor Emily a happy ending).
But she realized it wasn't right, that it was good enough for her to feel accepted for who she is and that she doesn't need a husband to find peace with herself.
This definitely could've used more padding but I feel it was effective nonetheless
The ending and the part when the little boy recognizes his grandpa always makes me cry
Same it’s so damn wholesome 😭
Bro it made me and my sister's boyfriend laugh our heads off. Why did he sound like that? 😭 Sound like an older guy trying to sound like a kid
I seen that shit the day after my grandma passed away and I cried so hard in the theatre
The wine scene at the end doesn't feel forced; Lord Barkis was patronizing Emily by having a toast over the fact she "is always the bride's maid, never the bride" and since the wine was meant for the vows, it adds another layer of douchery for him.
And he didn't know the wine was poisoned (wasn't around for that part), so as far as he was concerned it was just a normal drink.
@@DBArtsCreators that of course came back to bite him in the ass I'm now thinking how many other women has Lord Barkis killed
@@DBArtsCreators Ah, the hubris!
@@williampulfer-melville8536 Also the lack of people on his side when he married Emily in the middle of the movie hints that he also killed his family for fortune as well.
It’s also a reference to Hamlet
There is a reason, Victor puts the ring in Emily's index finger. The film is based on a Jewish fairytale, and Jews put the ring on the index finger under the chuppah (wedding canopy). At the end on the fairytale, the living couple promise to name their eldest daughter after the Corpse Bride. Which helps her find peace, because her memory will live on.
PS: Helena Bonham Carter voiced Emily the Corpse Bride. While, Victoria was voiced by Emily Watson.
Chiena Avtzon I never knew that. What's the name of the fairy tale?
Ooh that sounded interesting! Thanks for teaching me something new 🙂
@@CheshireCat-cm1si - It does not really have a title, because it is an oral folklore tale. Though, it is commonly known as “The Corpse Bride”.
@@phantomflower6749 - Glad you enjoyed learning about the film’s inspiration.
Thought I remember reading about the folktale once. Think another channel
I was watching mentioned it
Back in college, I was a volunteer at an event where the man in charge of the stop motion for this film attended, and I got to carry one of the models (Emily) and see how it worked. I was in awe but also very nervous because the models are fragile and very expensive. Best memory of that entire day.
I’m pretty sure that it was intentional when they made According to Plan a little underwhelming and not a very strong opening, they did it so you could be completely blown away by Remains of the Day, and my god did it work
Emily was so selfless, she gave up her "happy ending" so Victoria could live on the rest of her life with someone she loved. I'm convinced Emily realized that Victor was keen on marrying her only because he thought he had lost Victoria- I definitely think Emily was the best choice though- so kind-hearted and funny, she deserved better!!
I think the ending is fine for her. She’s free and has moved on and her story isn’t strictly related to romance
@@starrsmith3810 but that's sad :(
@@opheliebell22 No it's bittersweet, she found her freedom in letting go of something that was keeping her bound to an existence where she had to forever live as the 'corpse bride' even though that freedom came at the cost of having the wedding she had so wanted in life.
I kinda wished by her giving up her happy ending some magic happened to turn her human again basically giving her a second chance to have the life she lost, I feel like that while not being the ending I personally want it would feel fitting
I also think Emily and Victor make better friends.
I just want a relationship as strong as Tim burton and Johnny depp
Good luck lol
Unofficial siblings? Get a best friend.
Also on a side note this movie was actually Johnny Depp's first time doing voice acting in an animated film
and emma watson slips in sneakilly
Friendship goals is having a friend who puts you in all their films with their awesome GF
Emily and victor had a good relationship but I don’t think it was quite romantic. I think they have a nice platonic relationship of understanding. While victor and Victoria were Instantly passionate for each other. Still needed more but you can see them being happy together in the future.
15:55 Is no one gonna talk about his spot on Victor impression?
I just now realized that you could literally pause this movie at almost any time and have a fantastic wallpaper.
1:11
@@channel45853 *NO GOD PLZ NO* 😰
Just like Spider Verse
I accidentally paused at 5:54 to read the comments when I found yours
My wallpaper is one of the skeletons from this movie lmao
I like how Victoria looks traumatized throughout the movie after Victor is viscously dragged away by Emily.
Well after she saw that she knew something wasn't right
My favorite scene in the whole movie is the crotchety elderly lady reuniting with her dearly departed. It makes me cry every time that he's so in love with her that he's delighted to see her again (and the "I don't give a damn" line is used perfectly).
A nice, subtle reference to “Gone With The Wind.”
Personally I think the ending is actually a fair ending, Emily gets her ending and finally releases her spirit, and Victor and Victoria get a nice happy ending and neither was spoiled to ruin them, or make one look better than the other.
They’re basically “talking” through the piano. At first Victor plays higher “happy” notes like he’s trying to catch Emily’s attention and asks her to forgive him, and Emily plays lower, sad notes that show how she’s feeling. Then they get together to play the duet, just like if they “found” each other and everything was alright, like Emily couldn’t be mad at Victor even if she tried. God, I love Tim Burton.
you really copy and pasted one of the top comments from the piano duet video huh
Copied or not this is pretty informative
Hate Tim burton, love his movies
@@pixiechic2209 why exactly?
Fun fact: in Helenistic Greek mythology, Butterflies were a symbol of the soul, the mind, and death
Also. Within the time frame the movie takes place, They believed people turned into bugs. Instead of... Ya know. The bugs eating them.
Gotta love superstitious beliefs before science explained it.
also: Bleach
Ghost and psíquic thats some good pokemon combination types
Sadly takes 4 times damage to evil type
Yes the famous dark type
Persona 3 fans be like
I personally think victor not marrying Emily even though they had chemistry is the better choice, it shows you can have a strong emotional bond with someone of the same gender but not necessarily be in love with them. Like that's something that not a lot of movies portray especially a few years ago when this came out, usually if you had a man and woman that formed a bond it was romantic and they ended up as a couple, but in real life that isn't always the case. Like I never had feelings like that towards my male friends as a kid but had really good friendships with them, and I liked that they had the ending be that they were just friends and that victor helped her find peace rather than romantic love.
Yeah, they were great together, but more as friends who helped each other, I too think it's a nice message
Emily is actually voiced by Helena, while Victoria is voiced by Emily Watson.
Also, everyone really loves Emily and wanted Victor to end up with her, but I always preferred Victoria. I just think she’s so sweet and adorable. Maybe it’s my love for secondary characters, but I really love Victoria.
When she to went to try and get help for Victor I felt like it was her fighting for her love. I don’t think he ever loved Emily anyways, I mean he basically heard that Victoria was already getting married to someone else, so he gave up and tried to make Emily happy instead of himself.
Victoria had a way of letting others show her their personality, before she made a judgement. I think her relationship with Victor is more of a silent understanding of each other, while with Emily she states things out loud and it’s almost one sided half the time.
I just wish Victoria's mother had let her learn to play that darn piano. She's clearly interested.
I always imagine Victor teaching her once they're married, and her becoming even more accomplished than he.
I honestly dont like Emily. I dont hate her, but I found nothing to like about her either. First when Victor was practicing his marriage vows for VICTORIA in a cemetery/woods (?), terrible place to do so but still, she assumed he married her. Then without explaining what just happened, she kisses an absolutely baffled Victor without his consent (sexual assault in other words). I get it she has a tragic story and all, but that does not give her the right to find a groom in whoever she wants, which firstly, was not even the intention with which Victor had spoken his vows in front of the tree. It was a misunderstanding that got escalated. And when Victor, absolutely rightfully so, tried to escape the clutches of a CORPSE, HE GETS BLAMED FOR THAT? Imagine if the genders were reversed? If a (dead) man had kissed a woman, what would have been the reaction to that?
Then when it is made clear that Victor has his heart on Victoria, Emily is upset that he does not like her and her friends try to cheer her up by singing to her in praise. How on earth is that Victoria's fault in any way that all that happened? I am truly glad the Emily realised that in the end and did not let Victor die. It would have led to many misfortunes for Victoria, who was married to the Lord I forgot his name, i dont want to imagine what he would have done to her. She kinda saved two lives by not marrying Victor.
@@Cat_tiee You put too much actual problems in a romantic movie made in 2005. Stop the whole "if genders were reverse" blahblah things, there are a lot of movies made at the time that have sexism and all, including Disney, but you have to put more context to it and also don't forget that this is just a fiction, not real life. Nobody had and won't see that movie thinking they should act the same way as Emily the first time she met Victor. You missed all the points of the movies, starting by the fact that she thought he was proposing to her, so, to her the kiss is legit.
Second Victor didn't get blamed for clutching a "corpse" but her actual wife. You're in the land of the dead buddy, everybody there don't define themselves by " simples corpses", they were personns, respect.
Thirdly, put yourself in the place of Emily, if you only can considering your speech...she truly believed Victor in every words. He never told her face to face until the Tears to shed song that it was a mistake. He set her up to meet his parents while in fact he was "cheating on her" in Emily point of view. The revelation was a shock to her, especially when she thought she found her true love. And if Lord Barkis stayed with Victoria, she would have simply dies xp
So yes, Emily can acts selfish but Steve is right, she has more personnality and common things with Victor, as much time on screen. Sure Victoria is brave, but also kind of meh. We never get to see her skills unlike Emily. Emily is brave, talented and truly love Victor, and grow up at the end. You get to see her developpement as a character, she's great. Victoria didn't has that. Anyways, love that movie ♥
@@opheliebell22 I don't think you understand the concept of consent, and since you 'love the movie' so much, your comment sounds extremely biased to me. You could have gone on refuting my claims in a more respectable and analytical manner. If it is just fiction why are you so pissed off?
Also how is Victoria 'meh'? (I seriously wouldn't mind an explanation here) Just because she does get enough screen time? Let me remind you she almost threatened her life by trying to let everyone know what happened to Victor when she saw the corpse of Emily taking him away. She could have been declared as insane or out of her mind, a perfect reason to restrain someone or being thrown into a mental asylum. I don't think a woman deserves to be called 'meh' when she is truly oppressed and disregarded by her family who only want financial gains through her marriage and want her to be a puppet in their hands.
I also never said Victor 'got blamed for clutching' Emily, I said he ESCAPED HER clutches. If I should imagine the situation by putting myself in her situation, you can also do the same by reversing the gender roles and think if it would be such a good idea as a movie at all. Nothing wrong with questioning and analysis situations be it fiction or not. But if it sounds gross with the genders reversed, it is gross without as well.
Remember the audience gets affected/influenced by what it sees in the movies, especially children. I could go on and on about all the problematic stuff in the movies like these and would love to point it all out but in a comment section of a RUclips video, not worth my time.
@@opheliebell22 oh and did you even consider the fact that Victor always wanted to marry Victoria, even since he met her? He did not want to leave the prospects of marrying her and only when he saw that she was getting married to someone else, did he finally accept Emily and decided to go on with his marriage with her. In a marriage the feelings of both parties matter, Victor AND Emily, not JUST Emily. Just because she did love him doesn't mean he had to love her back and marry her with the same intention. It was a situation of misunderstanding, which could have been easily dealt with, had the characters communicated. But I am highlighting a classic cliche in movies without which the whole movie would make no sense and the story wouldn't go on, so you can disregard this point if you wish to.
I love how Tim Burton can’t resist to put Johnny Depp as the main character nearly in every film.
I guess by now Tim and John have each other's phone numbers
@@cgt3704 yes.
They've pretty much been best friends since Edward Scissorhands I read somewhere that Johnny is even Tim Burton's kids Godfather
@@nicolesmith2297 yes and Johnny said that in his perfect world he would work only with Tim and his ex-wife, Winona.
*And Helena Bonham Carter as the side character as part of his cuckoldry fantasy.*
Correct if I’m wrong, the animators said Emily’s wedding dress was extremely challenging put in to stop-motion film. They pulled it off well.
it was gorgeous
I believe it. I feel like fabric, especially the kind if light material on a wedding dress, would be extremely hard to animate smoothly
@@amberwingtundrawing776 yeah especially since it has the look of aged fine lace
Well, it looks challenging to me
Fabric and hair is hard to get right on animation. Also, mouth movements when talking, no matter how good the animation, just don't look right.
My favorite, and in my opinion the best, moment is when Emily literally pulls the sword out of her stomach and points it at Barkis. Like, what a bada$$ move!
Course Bride is one of my favorite movies, But one of the scenes I remember the most is when the little kid saw a skeleton only to realize it as his grandpa, we hear him shout “Grandpa!” Also the song where they explained the corpse bride backstory was also pretty great.
Unfortunately I can't pin this due to the sponsor, but it has been brought to my attention that Helena Bonham Carter actually voiced Emily, *NOT* Victoria. Victoria was voiced by Emily Watson. Apologies for the mistake, I am clearly needing more sleep in my life.
Also, Peter Lorre isn't an American, he's German.
We all make mistakes, man. It's okay. At least you caught it. ^w^
Also, Steve, you really should review Wizards (1977). You can find a trailer of it here on RUclips and it's right up your alley of animated films.
We forgive you steve :)
@@DarkLorddReviews Actually he was Hungarian-American 😅
@@anneofgreengables1367 That's surprising given that he spoke German in "M".
Tim Burton and Wes Anderson are both directors with their own distinctive styles that are eye candy. Both of them are like yin and yang. One is darker and gloomy; other is lighter and warm.
Ironically, Tim Burton feels like the lighter and warmer to me, lol
@@JayTohabYup.
Can agree! Tim Burton's is very dark, gloomy, and deary, but have a surprisingly lighthearted and upbeat undertones with them. While Wes Anderson's are more warm and light, but are more straightforward and have darker or honestly undertones to them
Top 5 RUclips commenters that are everywhere! This is the 57th time I said this 😑
Good review. I have always really liked this movie. Just one quick correction: Helena Bonham Carter voiced Emily and Emily (not Emma) Watson voiced Victoria.
Thank you lol this mistake drove me nuts and I wanted to check someone else had corrected him before I did 😂
I felt that Emily and Victor simply had more things in common, but it does make more sense that Emily would probably have felt guilty if Victor had went to the land of the dead with her. Also it’s hilarious how things really just HAPPEN to and around Victor and the only thing he does for himself is try to get away from Emily by tricking her.
She realized his heart truly belonged to Victoria and was only marrying Emily so he wouldn't be alone..
I never felt that in the movie (the former part), but I would agree with the latter
@@Tanyableu imo they formed that special bond the first time they met each other. With Emily, he was pity-marrying her.
@@angela.luntian agreed. victor and victoria seemed fond of each other after meeting one another, and showed concern for each other. i can see emily having feelings for victor, but i can't see the same vise versa since he only chose to marry her after he heard the news of victoria marrying someone else.
Sigh, sadly I know what this is like, just without the marrying part, at the 4 year mark I knew he was over it and didn't want to be the bad guy to break it off so I did.....
The way I see it, Victor & Victoria were literally made for each other. (Obvious because of their names.) The movie isn't supposed to be about Victor & Victoria learning something about each other; It's supposed to be about Emily learning to let go of her past, so she can move on & find peace. Granted, I can understand why for many people it's not as satisfying to see this ending, I feel like it's best choice. Because it shows not every happy ending needs end with all good/likable characters getting married.
I also want to say, a lot of the critique on Victoria's character was how underdeveloped she was, but like, they did the best they could. There were little chances to see her interact with Victor, and they took those chances. If Victor is in the land of the dead for most of the story of course he won't be able to interact and develop with Victoria. What little could be done about Victoria and her relationship with Victor, was done. In the introduction, in the reveal of what had happened to him and what she tried to do to help him we see her doing all she could as someone held back by her parents and lack of any ways to help Victor.
She needed more development but I think it would've felt forced or awkward for her to develop feelings for someone that isn't there.
@@StraightestDakregor Totally agree with everything you said.
I agree!
@@StraightestDakregor I actually agree with you to a extent. I do think that Victoria has a bit more personality. From my analysis of the film. I saw she is a Caring, loving, determined, brave, smart, survivalist. Showing through the scenes we see her in that she knows when to keep going when there is hope. And knowing when to give up knowing she wouldn't making it on the streets as a young beggar woman. So she does the smart thing and marries the other guy. Knowing at least that she will be fed and housed. I agree she doesn't have a complete personality but she does have a bit more of a personality than your description. Also thank you for pointing that out. I hate it when people overlook Vicki because she isn't one of the main characters.
I got married on Halloween in 2009. Our theme was Corpse Bride. We were dressed as Victor and Emily. I was painted head to toe blue! I even walked down the isle to the "wedding song " from the movie. 🖤
This sounds so cool
Username checks out for this one. Hope it was a lovely time
@@favre4ever39 It was seriously the best! Everyone attending said it was the best wedding they ever attended! No regrets! 🖤
15:49 THIS IS SO GOOD I CANT STOP LAUGHING- THE JOHNNY DEPP IMPRESSION BYE
Fun fact Victor was actually Johnny Depp's first Voice role in an animated film
He also played the Yoga instructor in King of the Hill
Wow you learn something new everyday , I honestly thought his surfer from spongebob role was his first 😅😅
Oh that’s new to know
@@frankdughtank8327 and he later went on to voice Rango.
For a first role that's damn impressive.
Tim Burton is a Genius when it comes at making animated stop motion movies, and Animated movies that actually look spooky
I know right
Definitely! Especially Henry Selick, I don't mean to say this out of nowhere but he also directed coraline and and the nightmare before Christmas. I love both of them when is comes to stop motion animation. :)
I wonder what a hand-drawn film would be like if Burton was in control...
You should watch "Vincent" his first stop motion film.
He was fresh out of Disney after they finished the fox and the hound.
A true genius in the dark fantasy genre!
....as a long time fan of this movie and watching behind the scenes more times that I can count as a child ( and looking it up to double check) victoria wasn't voiced by helena bonham carter, victoria was voiced by emily watson, while the actual corpse bride emily was voiced by helena.
The best scene is when the pastor is telling all of the dead people that they won't bypass the church and they all ignore him and tell him to not yell because it's a church. Plus, the small tidbits and little jokes meshed well in my opinion.
I always felt that emily's choice was less to do with victoria being the better option and more to do with allowing victor to live a full life when she couldn't. he was literally going to kill himself if he married emily, I'd imagine she'd feel guilty if that happened
@The Dark Overlord I think the movie tried to give the idea that they could be married if both were dead. Just not if only one of them was. Idk it'd feel kind of impersonal if a technicality was all that stopped emily
That 'Grandpa!' part when the little boy recognizes his grandpa made me tear up in the theater. I love this movie so much!
I know right!
That scene always makes me smile along with the old woman reuniting with her dead husband. ^^
I just watched this movie tonight, and my grandpa recently passed. I almost started crying
@@baldr6894 i'm so sorry, friend. I hope this movie brought you peace and that you can find more in the future.
@@ryantabor9582 it really did. Thank you for your kindness. I wish you well
This is honestly my favorite Tim Burton movie. The stop motion is exceptionally done, I absolutely love the music, and I honestly think this is one of Helena Bonham Carter's best roles in a Tim Burton movie
a lot of people love shipping Emily and Victor, I personally am fine with the bittersweet ending we got and love both female leads.
Both choices are genuinely okay!
But as I think about it, I'm happy that Emily gave Victor to Victoria. Victoria could have ended up like Emily if she were to stay with Lord Barkus. Emily giving Victor to Victoria is, (well how I take it) is her moving on and being a peace, knowing she saved another person from what she went through.
Additionally there’s the part about him commuting suicide to be with her. Emily needed closure and was kinda inadvertently using victor to avoid dealing with the underlying regrets.
Honestly when I was younger and saw this in theaters, I cried when Emily faded away and was a little confused as to why she couldn't be with Victor. It wasn't until I was older that I understood that this was the better choice for Emily, because she deserved peace.
This is my whole opinion but Victor went with Victoria was the right choice, because while Emily wants to be married to her "true love" she never asked Victor if it was okay. Like when Victor said he would drink the whine poison to be with her, she didn't ask him if he may have some doubts about it. Yes he said he wanted to do drink it, but he only wants to die because Victoria was already married to Lord Barkis (I know I did not spelled that right). That and how Victoria was trying help Victor get out of a "relationship" he doesn't want to be in proves to me that Victoria does really care for him, meanwhile he's also trying to get back to her because he genuinely does care for her. Again this is my option I get why people like Emliy and Victor together, but it not really far to Emily when Victor has feelings for Victoria and Emily just pushes them to the side for her own feelings.
That's because she really thought he did his vows for her in the first place, and for the scene he decides to die for her it's the old skeleton who asked him if he was sure. Emily was shocked if you remember the scene. And if I'm not wrong when Victor learn that Victoria is getting married, he whispers "how could she", making his grief of her in the next scene until he heard Emily and Elder Goutneck (pretty sure I spelled it wrong xD)
@@opheliebell22 This is my second account, I couldn't reply on my first, it's not really that Emily cared about Victor at all she loved the idea of being married and she really didn't care who it was with really. When Victor found out that Victoria (the person he genuinely cared about) was getting married to another person, it broke his heart. If Emily really did care about Victor she would constantly ask is this okay or at the very least make sure he has no doubts about it, what she didn't she was so focused of being a bride that she didn't really care about Victor's true feelings. Even if he said his vowels to Emily he really didn't know it was a dead corpse he was putting his ring on, but Emily is so delusional about the idea of marriage that she isn't really listening to what Victor has to say about the whole situation. In the entire movie, in my opinion Emily is in love of idea of being a bride not Victor!
@@opheliebell22 Also that's not the old skeletons job to ask Victor is this marriage okay it is Emily's job to make sure if Victor is okay with marrying HER! If she really care for him she would have checked herself, but she didn't it
First saw it in the theatre when I was 10, and is still of my favorite animated films over 15 years later.
5:08 Victor playing Sandstorm on the piano was genius, made me laugh.
Would have thought more people would have pointed it out.
AYYYYYYE! 👈😎👈
Yeah that joke got me good, neary spat out my drink haha.
Such a good song
"Hey, Victor! How does Sandstorm go again?"
What? What song he played
Ps sarcasm
I was OBSESSED with this movie as a 6 year old. For about a month I used to rewatch it every single day and I would always cry in the end. I just felt so bad for Emily and thought that the ending was really unfair to her. But now, as a grown up, I see it in a different light. I’m glad this movie ended the way it did and it’s definitely a deep message for kids.
I did the same. To this day, it still remains one of my favourite films.
i was homeschooled when this movie came out so i used to watch it twice a day everyday for months on end
Same. I was obsessed with this film as a kid. I forgot the title but rewatching this I definitely remember why I love dark aesthetic especially with Bride
I will always love that trip scene at 10:05 it’s so funny but also so cute 😂 I love Emily 🦋
I do agree that Victor should’ve chosen Emily, but when you think about it Emily was the character who was the most developed. She wanted nothing more than marriage before realising that she needs to be free and instead gives Victor his chance with Victoria which to me symbolises her true self. I am a sucker when it comes to selfless characters since I can relate to them and Emily is no different, she pretty much chose to give Victor a chance instead of a … deathly chance
I know that was a terrible pun, but it’s a good pun at that
P.s you could also say that the butterflies reference her freedom, but our host already said that and if I said I’d be stealing his thunder. To me the film’s true main character was Emily as from this review she was more developed and I really need to rewatch this film to see if my idea/vision is actually not a dreamers vision
I think that precisely because we have so much screen time with Emily, her choice of letting Victor go is that much more impactful and telling of their bond and respect for each other. I feel like Emily's kind of the subject of the story, even if Victor's the protagonist, because she's the one who changed the most throught, so it makes a kind of sense for Victor and Victoria to not be that deeply developed, but it could all have been better executed, i agree.
Yeah, I think it's one of those very bitter-sweet endings
@@gentlemanlygibus really? I found it hopefull. Emily found peace, accepting her death at last. But she only found it because she saw Victoria at her wedding. If Victoria hadn't shown up, hadn't felt something for Victor despite how new their sprouting relationship was, Emily would have let Victor die to be with her and I have no doubt about that. She gave them the chance of happiness and a future she never got to have.
Both Emily and Victoria have great qualities, quite honestly either character Victor went with would’ve been awesome. HOWEVER, as explained xD Emily is indeed dead and needed to move of from the hurt of losing love. She even knew herself that she she shouldn’t take it away from someone else as she knows the pain all to well. Victoria did her best in trying to get help for Victor. She tried sneaking out and everything to try and find him. ( which is a lot for the amount of screen time she got. )
If Emily if did go with plan of killing Victor for what she wants, you see it as being like her original husband.
Yes Emily had a trauma to overcome, but gave up that opportunity when she spotted Victoria watching. She even points out that she had a chance to be a bride & that she was about to steal Victor from his real love by killing him
@Alyssa Black I think her giving up a potential marriage and confronting her killer was her healing from her trauma. Marriage wouldn’t have freed her from purgatory, she needed to let go of the past.
@@LucyLioness100 , very much so. Victor was the "rebound boy" I guess. Basing a relationship on needing a band-aid for an old wound is never a good idea.
The Goth in me thinks that Emily is the hotter bride though.
4:06 it says that Emily Watson voiced Victoria while Helena voiced Emily the Corpse Bride…?
I just wanted to say that Helena Bonham Carter doesn't voice Victoria, she voices Emily the "Corpse Bride" in the movie. The person playing Victoria was Emily Watson according to IMDB.
I've always liked stop motion animation that is why I'm such a big fan of Coraline.
Same here
Tim Burton + Danny Elfman = fantastic movie
Yeah but I think we can all agree that we all knew way too many girls in high school Who had yoga pants with the corpse bride print it on.
Samee💕
good old stop motion animation also I love the old Eddie Ostrich bit 5:57
"We must abide by their laws! We are amongst the living."
*Barkis Drinks the Potion*
"Not any more!"
"Yep, you're right! He's all yours!"
"New arrival..."
That was so satisfying.
Now, he has to spend an eternity being punished for what he did to Emily and, presumably, countless others.
I was happy abt Victor and Victoria getting married at the end but i definitely think that Emily and Victor had more dynamic and chemistry with each other but I’m glad she was able to move on and was set free
Hey Steve, funny coincidence when you were talking about the voice actors: Helena Bonham Carter actually voices Emily the Corpse Bride, while Victoria is voiced by an actress named *Emily* Watson. So even your joke about Emma Watson was nearly spot-on!
The most iconic line to me is victor saying Victoria “no no you don’t understand she’s dead” 😂
Who wants Steve to Collab with Saberspark and have them do a movie review together? I would love that.
THAT would be cool!!
It be great if they did something like watership down or something steve already did. Or they should review something like The King of Pigs
that would be cool to bad sabre is a furry
I think a High Boi and Steve Reviews collab would be chaotically entertaining
YES THAT NEEDS TO EXIST!!
I honestly adore the ending of this movie- I think that Emily is the emotional subject of the film. Victor is the eyes through which we see, but the movie is about Emily's emotional journey and her healing. So, when she decides to step back and call off the wedding, it's because she truly cares for Victor, and she's in a place where now, she doesn't want to take away some else's happiness for her own.
She got more than the wedding she always wanted- she faced her past, she found companionship in someone who loved her for her, and she was able to move on now that her unfinished business was finished.
Your editing for this review is absolutely perfect! I love this movie and it was awesome to see your perspective.
13:42
...This is one of my favorite comedic moments in anything. The timing, the buildup, the punchline. All beautifully delivered. Especially the nonchalant "Keep it down, will ya? We're in a church" as the response to Christopher Lee's dramatic proclamations.
13:50 the priest: all those years of training. wasted
Normal religious people vs.religious bigots! XD
@@Logitah in the priest's defense, it was a crowd of reanimated corpses
@@angela.luntian Well yeah... I guess that's why he was so confused when the dead guy just shushed him instead of eating his head. 😸
The heartfelt reunion between the living and dead is such a great addition, subverting the stereotypical horror
After losing people precious to me, that scene makes me cry! D:
I watched this again on TV the other day. I hadn't seen it for far too long, but I fell right back in love with it, and now I'm absolutely obsessed with it once again! Watching it again reminded me that it's easily one of my favorite films of all time. I just adore this movie so much! Normally I can't stand musicals either, but I could literally watch this film all day! I's perfect!
And Victors piano solo near the start of the film? It's one the most hauntingly beautiful pieces of music ever written! (I will NEVER forgive you for playing Darude - Sandstorm instead at that point in this video lol)
It's a beautiful movie, and it's a childhood classic for me.
I always interpreted that Victoria, not having very affectionate parents, found affection in Victor. I wouldn't mind if Victor and Emily stayed together if Victoria had some emancipation from her parents, she seems very isolated to me.
It is implied that their childhoods were very similar despite of their different backgrounds. Both were raised in a strict, loveless household. Now that the two know what they want and what NOT to do, they go on to make a new home full of warmth and love.
I used to hate the ending when I was younger because I really wanted Victor and Emily to get together. Then as I got older, I realized that Emily probably didn’t love Victor as much as Victoria did because she just wanted to get married. Then she realized that she didn’t need that, she just needed to be at peace.
I dont think its that she didnt love him, but more that she cared about him enough to not steal him from another girl
@@aymathest9816 yeah that too.
@Siren's Call I was also team Emily because I thought it would be wrong to validate the arranged marriage but even when Victoria’s parents called it off, her and Victor still wanted to marry each other for love even though they were no longer obligated. I also thought Emily was more fun (as mentioned in “Tears to Shed”) and let Victor come out of his shell, but it wasn’t until writing this that I realized that Victor and Victoria were like that because of their parents holding them back. Now that they can start their own life they can be themselves.
@@aymathest9816 - She cares enough about him to want him to live.
okay the part where the dead people meet their family members in town is actually pretty sweet, id actually legit love to see that kind of zombie/living dead scenario more in movies
This movie is always to me, especially when Emily finally moved on... Really emotional and good halloween movie as always
1) emily and barkus weren’t married. He killed her at the rendezvous point before they got married.
2) he already married Victoria and what we were witnessing was the interruption of the after party so to speak, which is why he interrupted hence the point he made of “she’s still my wife“ when grabbing Victoria.
Though to be fair, you could argue that technically speaking they weren't fully married yet, since it was still common at the time to consumate the marriage, which happened at the wedding night. Meaning that technically yes Barkis and Victoria were married but not fully from a legal standpoint. Though I could tell bullshit, so take what I'm saying with a grain of salt
On the one hand I would have liked Victor to marry Emily as their relationship was more developed but on the other hand I feel like the ending we got showed us a good message about finding our own happiness
Yeah and also the fact that Emily is literally a partially rotted corpse lol.
@@simonorourke4465 Hm. And the Beast from Beauty and the Beast had fur and horns and yet everyone was disappointed when he became human at the end of the film. Go figure.
And, you know, NOT saying suicide is an answer.
One of my favorite instances in the first song According To Plan, towards the end of the song you see the Van Dorts walking up a set of stairs, while in contrast, the Everglots are walking down a set of stairs. This reflects their viewpoint on their change in social status as a result of the marriage. The Van Dorts are elevating their status while the Everglots are being drug down. This has already been blatantly explained in the song, but to see a physical representation of that I thought was always a very nice little touch.
The butterflies at the end are symbolic because every time we see the evil guy, he's swatting away one of those butterflies.
The fact Emily chooses to let victor go feels so mature and honestly she’s an amazing big character
I believe the scene of Emily turning into butterflies and flying off symbolizes her spirit finding peace and ascending into Heaven, which leads me to believe that the Land of the Dead is a form of purgatory where the dead stay because they're not ready to move on, they have something tying them down that they can't fully cross over to the next life.
Edit: P.S., could you review Wallace and Gromit the Curse of the Were-rabbit? That's a good movie, don't know if it really has any dark moments but I'd say at least give it a look
actually about that in certain cultures preferable Asia the butterfly and moths have symbolic meaning with death and moving on if you ever seen the anime bleach it's why they have butterflies following them around other than for communication
Victor's dad definitely doesn't say 'chavvy'. He says the house is 'shabby' 😆
That would be so funny though
I have a theory that instead of being set in England, it's actually set in America after all of the colonists settled down, because they still sound British. I only think this because Tim Burton has set some of his films there before like Frankenweenie, Sleepy hollow.
Actually from some research online I found out that this film is actually set in a fictional European country during the Victorian era
I loved this movie. As much as Emily and Victor made a great pair story-wise, I feel it set them up more as compatriots and friends than as romantic partners. Emily's closure and her murderer's justice felt more satisfying than her marriage to Victor would have, unless this was a much longer movie or series.
Honestly, the ending for me it's one of the best parts, Emily dies because of a lie disguised as love, and gets free by true love, it's beautiful
And now Victor and Victoria have an eternal friend whom they will always remember!
I love the fact that dead world is more colourful and live. As kid I didn’t understand it. Now I get it.
The way I see it, it makes sense that Emily would let Victor go to Victoria as he was already still alive. If she had let him die to join her, she'd have to rob him of his life, something that was already done to her. Sure it would be his choice, but, only getting one life, she wants him to live it. As a result, she able to feel complete and able to truly pass on.
I’ve always found Corpse Bride to be a bittersweet but charming little movie. It’s kind of nice to see so much talent go into a simple little movie. The ending is one of those “it’s for the best” types where at least Emily got her freedom and Victor can enjoy being alive with someone who cares for him.
I’m glad you got to do this one very nicely done ❤️👻
One of my absolute favourites! Just one little mistake: Helena Bonham Carter voices Emily, not Victoria.
I knew it! He had me thinking I was confused all this time.
That and he was close in saying Emma Watson voices Victoria. The actual voice actress is Emily Watson, not Emma Watson but an actress with a very similar name
Lol, I just commented that same thing. My eye was twitching
Side comment I would prefer Emily
I know, I was hoping to see a comment like this. Just a simple mistake though
15:04 I always took the butterflies to symbolize her crossing over since whatever unfinished business she had has been resolved...kind of taking a page from 1995's "Casper".
Pastor: YOU SHALL NOT PASS!!!
Skeleton Dude: Keep it down, we’re in a Church.
Pastor:😳
'Each person has their own unique design' *sees two characters who look EXACTLY alike*
I like Burton animations, doesn't change the fact that everything looks the same. If it's animation, and Burton is involved, it's obvious. It all looks the same. Doesn't detract from the fact I'm a fan of him.
@@Jay-we2ek fair enough
@@Jay-we2ek yes, I like that it's like a signature. Recognizable and unique designs between characters (like the exaggeration in shapes and faces)
They could be twin brothers. Remember; innocent until proven guilty.
@@chippy2023 probably but i just find it funny he mentions this when they appear and they use the same model
My parents took me to see Corpse Bride when it came out in theaters. The theater gave out marriage-style pamphlets with the lyrics to each song in the movie so that we can sing/follow along. I thought that was pretty cool. Too bad I lost that pamphlet.
Hey steve. Thanks for putting out some good content all the time. Helps having something to watch while fighting covid. Keep it up brother!
“frankly my dear, i don’t give a damn.” I LOVE THAT GUY AHA
I think the ending was good the way it was as it resolves alot of the establishing characterizations and a poetic resolution to Emily's tragic story.
In the "According to plan" song it shows how both Victor and Victoria are constrained by the expectations of their families', but they both have hope for a quiet rebellion by marrying someone that they like and having a loving relationship. He liked Victoria because she showed how she had desires outside of society's expectations in the first piano scene where they meet and he had hope that their relationship could be more than duty.
Emily, on the other hand, represents an excess of rebellion and romance (in the dramatic sense). She eloped with Lord Barkis and he killed her. She essentially wants Victor to elope with her and wants to do the same. He agrees only because of a sense of duty to fulfill the accidental vows he made to her and to give her the happy ending he feels is lost to him due to the news that Victoria is marrying someone else. He resigns himself the new expectations of this new society (the land of the dead) and tries to content himself by forging a friendship with Emily.
But Emily sees this and realizes that he is only trying to please her because Victoria has been removed as an option because Emily took Victor away from his own life like Barkis did to her by killing her and taking away her choices. She realizes that she needs to step back and stop stealing away the others' choice just because she had hers stolen.
Butterflies symbolize death and I think her turning into them implies that she has moved on to another plain and truly let go. Her situation with Barkis mirrored her situation with Victor only with the roles reversed and she stopped before she could do to Victor what Barkis did to her.
Brilliantly said.
I’m gonna say this now. I really love this movie because of this weird opposite feel cause in the beginning we see the town it’s all gloomy and depressing but when you see the dead world or whatever it’s called it’s more alive and fun with all sorts of colors it’s awesome
Yeah i loved that pardaox
I’ve always loved that parallel
“OH GOD I’M DEAD AND GOING TO HE-Oh wait it’s actually pretty good down here”
One of my favorite films! The vows are lovely and the voice acting of Victor stumbling over his vows was also very well done. Depp really convinced me of Victor growing as a character over the film as his stuttering/stumbling was replaced with a steady, confident tone.
I went down the nostalgia train after watching this and wondered if you had watched the film "Babe" (1995) directed by Chris Noonan. The film is about a factory piglet who has to face the reality of being raised for slaughter and his attempt to avoid such a fate by herding sheep. I'd love to hear your thoughts about the sets and use of CGI/Henson animatronics in the film. Oh man, and maybe your opinion on the farmer's role, where he speaks very little and the acting is mostly silent but expressive. Thanks so much for your awesome film/show reviews!