I feel like the message of The Nightmare Before Christmas was that, even if you're only good at one thing and you try something new and fail at it, it's okay to fail because at least you tried, and the fact that you tried is something to be proud of in itself. It's okay to fail. Jack was never meant to be Santa Claus, and he let himself get too deep into something he didn't completely understand. He made a big mess, and eventually had to admit defeat. In the song where he realizes that, though, he experiences shame until it clicks - He tried something new, and that failure has made him appreciate his own talents even more, giving him new enthusiasm for what he's actually good at. It's honestly an important lesson for kids, especially the ones who grow up being told "You can be anything you want to be!" The reality is that no, you can't just be a pop star or a pirate king or the president of everything because you want to be. You have to work at it, you have to figure out what you're good at, and it's important to learn to love yourself for what you can do, rather than feel disappointment in what you can't.
This review is nice but I had a hard time agreeing with his interpretation of Poor Jack. I couldn't quite put it into words why I felt this way, but turns out I don't really have to. Others here including yourself have made it quite clear about that scene (yours is the best explanation I've seen).
This is the best description of Jack’s character arc I’ve ever read. I’ve loved this movie since it came out. I felt this but could never articulate it. Great, great job!
this exactly, He was tired of the same ol' bag of tricks, by doing christmas he now can envision new ways to scare. Jack never once said he was tired of conducting Halloween, just he was tired of doing the same things. He was an artist who tried a new medium and got inspired for their original medium.
SoopDwagg Exactly. Seeing all the spooky tricks he pulled off for Christmas inspired him to try again with Halloween, being excited to once again claim himself as the Pumpkin king.
Personally your right but again he wants to change the routine of things, him taking over a different holiday is alot interesting than him staying of his own routine. Him changing his mind is a big waste and felt pointless the villain seems like a weak villain, he was confirmed much more evil or more sinisteraly. Jack seems to fucking nice to be called "the pumpkin king" even tho his suppose to be the scary being alive.
I never thought of Oogie Boogie as the "father" of the Boogie's Boys, always saw him more as their menacing boss who they run errands and do pranks for unless they want to end up killed and made into stew by him
Even as a child I never saw Sally and Dr. Finkelstein's relationship as anything other than abusive. I've never seen him as over protective, but controlling. Only allowing her to go out when he says, and keeping her around literally to be his servant. He created her for this purpose but didn't create enough love for himself for her to be a loyal little handmaid to Jim, which is why Sally2.0 at the end literally looks like him. A narcissistic view of "she loves me as much as I love myself she won't leave"
this!!! i didnt personally need a resolution between the two character's because for me it felt like the film was really trying to enforce that finklestein is very stubborn and also pretty self centered, and when the thing (sally) that he created for the sole purpose of serving him wanted to actually live her own life he despised it. its almost like he felt threatened by it too??? which is why when he made the other one (sally 2.0) he literally gave it half of his brain. everything in his life has to be focused on him, even his servant, who looks just like him and shares the same exact mind. you could even take this one step further and say in the end hes technically being his own servant, meaning by the end of the film hes completely alone because no one could handle controlling behavior like that
definitely. he's always trying to control her, she's always trying to kill him ( the "Deadly Nightshade" she slips into his food is SUPPOSED to be poisonous, but i think it just puts him to sleep because he's an "undead"). One thing i don't think people appreciate about the doctor making a new assistant is that's EXACTLY what Sally TOLD him to do! Sally (annoyed while being tied down) "You can make OTHER creations!" After the third time, he's like "screw this, I'll just make a new assistant" while she's like "FINALLY, i'm FREE!" Sally's feelings are totally valid. She was treated like a possession, and just wanted to be free to do what SHE wanted.
In a deleted scene you can actually see how Jack finds Santa and Sally. It was already fully animated. I have no idea why they cut it.. There is also a deleted scene that reveals that Oogie Boogie was actually Dr Finkelstein. He wanted to teach Sally "a lesson".
@@mastersprogram Also, Finklestein claimed that Sally only loved Jack, making the dynamic of an unhappy marriage with a controlling spouse. This was changed to a controlling father
Lock, Shock, and Barrel didn't "turn good" at the end. The three of them are out for #1: themselves. They're loyal to someone one moment, then double-cross them the next if they think it's in their best interest. Jack's trust in them to get such an important job done (ie kidnap Santa) proves that they've done good work for him in the past. This time, however, they saw an opportunity. They brought Santa to Jack and, once he got what he wanted from Santa, they ran off with him and gave him to Oogie Boogie. Giving him such an interesting and fun gift (and meal) would keep them in good standing with Oogie (especially since he and Jack don't get along and they just went and did work for Jack). At the end, though, they saw that Oogie was finished and jumped ship, running into town to bring the others out to Oogie's place to be like, "See, we helped. We're weren't bad, you can trust us." Side note: I doubt the trio would have to move after Oogie's death. They're probably just going to keep living in the treehouse, maybe expand into the basement.
The sequel comic (Zero's Journey) shows this is exactly what happened, and how they function. They DID inherit the casino, though the only time we see it is when they're helping the town try to search for Zero when he goes missing. Then, as the comic goes on, while they are legitimately out to help Jack by going to Christmas Town to find Zero, they *also* do whatever they think is fun first, to the point they keep getting distracted from their actual mission, or use it as justification to cause more trouble (i.e., they rob a toy store at some point because, "well, Zero *could* be there, winkwinknudgenudge.").
This movie was my childhood. When I was a little kid, I watched the part when he said "GONE AGAIN!" I laughed that part so much, I keep rewinding it were the dvd disc broke.
That scene scared me like crazy even though I loved this movie and I watched it every day too. Nowadays I can watch and laugh at it too cuz of the constant shit he puts up with Sally 🤣
My mom actually loves the line that's a bit earlier. "You've poisoned me for the last time, you wretched girl!" She really wants to say that to somebody. XD
@@10.ikadekanandadwipayadnya83 And Bruce Willis said Die Hard isn't a Christmas movie. They're wrong. For me it's a Halloween and Christmas movie. It's also a Thanksgiving movie since a good portion of the movie takes place between October and December.
I think you misread the scene, she doesnt have sphycic visions , it's heavily insisted in the film that Halloween and Christmas are two things that physically can't function together, and her attempts to turn the twig in Halloween town into something that it doesn't belong as (a Christmas tree) is proof that the worlds can't collide as the twig burns up. Other than that mistake I think this review is absolutely fantastic and I've been waiting for so long for a good review of this movie, and you haven't dissapointed ^^
She was playing 'Loves Me, Loves Me Not" with a flower. Because, ya know. She's crushing hard on Jack. The flower itself morphed into the tree. Hence why there is the psychic assumption.
@@sociallyineptspider-man2366 You're half right. Things in the lands of holiday become that holiday. In this instance we are being shown through an example via Sally that these two worlds can not exist together.
@@Shenorai I always saw that as the universe sending Sally a message. We know that magic exists in that universe, maybe it's sentient enough to know a disaster is coming. Why else would the twig transform into a Christmas tree then burst into flames out of nowhere? Sally was chosen to stop the disaster but she failed, Santa ended up fixing it instead.
That scene alone is the reason I haven’t watched Fantasia since I first saw it as a kid,.. once you see that shiz it will mess you up for life I’m telling ya
I feel like the plot with Jack in the 3rd act was him realizing how good his role was. It's like cleaning every day. Its monotonous and boring, but if you can make it a game it's more entertaining. That's what I feel about Jack going back to his old life. He saw his life in a new light and recognized what he had been doing in Halloween Town wasn't boring and enjoyed it again
Think the revelation Jack had at the end was more of him discovering that he's trying too hard to be something he's not. Sure it's good to try new things, but basically it's as if a baker decided to take the job of an engineer without putting much thought or training into it also I seriously enjoy this movie, I was practically raised off it during my early childhood, I even remember going though a book back when I was a toddler that talked about how the movie was make just because of the artwork alone (I still have that book today) needless to say, this movie has a serious soft spot in my heart. The narrative is admittedly not the best, but the visuals, world, and charm is what gets people to come back
Regarding Jack returning to being the Pumpkin King, I think it's like, a "you don't know what you have until it's gone" kinda lesson. He didn't realize how fulfilling and how good he was as the Pumpkin King until he tried something else (being Santa Clause).
Alt. Title: The Pumpkin King's Mid-Life Crisis. Also, just pointing out (if I'm wrong, you can correct me); Burton wasn't involved with James and the Giant Peach. Except they did add Capt. Skellington in that one scene in James and the Giant Peach.
Re: Lock, Shock, and Barrel's turn at the end. There's a deleted scene that was fully animated that shows they couldn't hear what was going on with Santa and Oogie. So they got snacks, went into their elevator, and watched from the window that Jack sneaks into later. As a kid, it always bugged me that the elevator was already there without them in it, because it's shown it doesn't move unless they're controlling it, so... Anyway, they hear the Mayor's announcement that Jack is gone, cheer, and go back to the "show". Later, Jack gets to the tree house, looks up, and sees the lights are off. He hears the trio's laughter, looks down, and sees them. This is actually the original reason he shushed Zero before climbing down - so Lock, Shock, and Barrel don't hear him, not Oogie. So he terrifies them, they flee, and from there, it can be determined they fear Jack more than Oogie and go get the Mayor. It was cut for two reasons: time, and to keep Lock, Shock, and Barrel more on the "playful tricksters" side of things and less, "evil little shits". I personally feel it should have been left in. It fixes like three plot holes and gives the trio more characterization.
Great review! Very balanced. From Poor Jack I really took it as he reflected on his actions and realized that he did have some good things going- and as a result, he goes back to his role with a new vigor. Overall very positive. It wasn't that he didn't want to be the Pumpkin King- and it wasn't that he wouldn't bring anything new to it. But that he needed to unify his role with new ideas too. Finklestein was supposed to originally be Boogie in disguise, but they ended up changing the final role. Also Lock Shock and Barrel aren't related to Oogie. Sally's role is more explored in a prequel, but I do think that they should've given a bit more build up than - "Oh I feel the same as him, therefore crush". Still sweet though.
I've always read Jack's epiphany as him lamenting that he couldn't do Christmas right, but that's because, as he says, he IS the Pumpkin King. He fits his role so naturally it permeates how he interprets the world around him. It is his nature and all he needed was the new inspiration this whole Christmas hoot-nanny gave him. He was trapped in looking at his role in the prescribed way, but his declaration that he's now inspired for next Halloween means he's shrugging off that framework of others and what he needed was to do whatever the hell he wants because he's THAT good at his job. But that's just how I've seen it, and the movie is so surface it's easy to attribute deeper interpretations because the film isn't bothering to hold up its own.
The nightmare before Christmas has such a weird mix of Halloween and Christmas because Tim Burton was window shopping the day after halloween and saw that a store had already begun to put up Christmas decorations. It inspired him to write a poem since people generally jump from halloween to Christmas and skip right over Thanksgiving. :) Love your work♡
The Boogieman is still my favorite character, he's just having so much fun doing what he does. edit: also some scenes were cut that might explain a thing or two. Then there's that one GBA game and PS2 game.
The problem with Sally and the mad doctor was that he was possessive of her and trying to control her. Instead of learning to accept that she was her own person, he just made a new creature to replace her... incidentally giving Sally the freedom she craved. Sally's desire for a life of freedom mirror's Jack's desire for a life of excitement. Neither of them are happy when they get what they thought they wanted. What they truly needed wasn't some unbridled new life style but the comforts of a loving relationship and having an equal to stand by them. While Jack was definitely popular, he wasn't loved but *admired* by the townsfolk, who put him on a pedestal as their king... which isn't the same. Sally's open-mindedness and curiosity are shown during his presentation on Christmas (unlike other monsters, she likes the first part) and that's what makes Sally his equal. At least that's my take on it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
bigg buff bois, Yes but after they hit him he didn’t play it off as an accident. He knew immediately it wasn’t a gun salute that went wrong. He knew they they were aiming for him.
I completely forgot about the military. There's probably some symbolism about foreign cultures incorporating traditions and native idiots not understanding the true meaning of Christmas as "goodwill to all" there.
It's called stop motion and none of the puppets are made out of clay in Nightmare Before Christmas it cannot be called clay animation but I see where you're going and coming from its awesome right I love this movie. I actually did a lot of research on how the stop motion works you're either in the aardman camp that does plasticine clay for their characters more Tim Burton's camp where they make armatures and put latex on top of the Armature
The character arc was that Jack found new meaning in being the pumpkin king- that he can find new ways to get the most out of being who he is, and the best at that. The concept was that though he tried his best, and it was enjoyable, he realized that the power to help others most lied within being himself, not trying to be someone else.
Danny Elfman once said Jack is the embodiment of every artist alive. Passionate, kind of self-center at times, and an idealist. Like every artist he's been so good for so many years at their thing, to the point it feels like it's repeating itself, and so he finds something new, something exciting, radically different to his thing. But, in the end, it didn't work out. It's okay! Because he TRIED, and he found a new angle, this experience will live on now inside him and he will be even better at his thing now thanks to it. That is the core message of the movie, for me, at least, and as an artist I love the way it portrays it.
It's interesting seeing what everyone took away from the ending. As a kid I thought the point was that Jack tried to be someone he was not, and at the end he discovered that doesn't work and accepted who he was and decided he actually liked himself just fine. When I watched it again as an adult I saw multiple different ways of interpreting it and wasn't sure what I was supposed to take from it. I'm still not sure.
I never would have thought Elfman had that much range. He also is happy after he thinks he ruined Christmas because he feels inspired, he wanted to fill the void and he realizes that when he was working with his town they were thrilled even if they misconstrued Christmas. He was at his happiest when the town was doing something new and having some sorta fun with it. He realizes that doing something different isn’t beyond limitation. It just requires him to take that step, and at the end everybody gets to feel joy and have a Christmas instead of everlasting Halloween. Instead of waiting for Halloween and preparing for it for 365 days. They can feel joy and don’t have to be Halloween.
I think the message from both Jack returning to his role as well as the romance is this: When we find ourselves “in a rut”, maybe what we need isn’t to totally overhaul our lives. Maybe we need to learn to be thankful for the good things and wonderful people we already have... Which is a VERY “Christmas-ey” theme.
Fun fact: Oogie Boogie's Song was originally going to have an extra part to it, but it was cut out because the scene would've been to difficult to animate. However, in Danny Elfman's cover of the song, the lyrics are included. "Well, if I'm feelin' antsy And I've nothin' much to do I might just cook a special batch Of snake and spider stew And don't you know the one thing That would make it work so nice? A roly-poly Sandy Claws to add a little spice"
Glad to know that I’m not the only person who felt like Jack and Sally’s relationship was forced. They didn’t have a connection with each other and it didn’t feel real and natural
Being the pumpkin king is only as thrilling as Jack makes it, he thought he was tired of the role but he realized he was sad because he didn't do anything with it. Then he went to save Santa because he knows that Santa is good at his role and Jack is good at his own role
This is one of those films I diidn’t around to watching for years. Until one day I finally picked up a copy and watched it. So glad I did, it's wormed its way into my heart and is now one of the films I watch over Halloween and Christmas
Please Review *"A Silent Voice"* This film would be interesting to see and to review. Several people have shed their opinions and I think you need to as well. anyone if you agree help me convince him, and if you disagree with me so be it.
This is a masterpiece and I remember watching this so many times as a kid I was so inspired I actually did stop motion with my camera because I was inspired from it. I also love Coraline I don't care it has scary imagery kids need to be scared at young age. Please review Little Nemo in Slumberland that's another classic movie for my childhood. In the fact that they didn't have digital cameras when they made this movie so it was all a guess of what came out at the other end after they were done filming
I think it is more about Jack feeling no challenge in being the Pumkin King. He can scare everyone without the slightest bit of effort and by doing the same over and over again. His entire existance is boring to him and makes him go through depression. After Jack fails at taking over christmas to finally do something new he beats himself up but realizes that he had a challenge in christmas and even tho he failed he gave his best. Through doing his best and working hard he reawakend his passion and wants to be more overkill with futur hallowens
Fun fact: the Polish translation of this movie has one of the most bizzare name translations I've ever seen. In Poland we don't really have any mainstream easily recognized by kids boogeyman-like creature (only regional ones), so Oogie Boogie is translated as "Babojagołak" which literally translates to "Were-Witch".
When I was little I never would have guessed the Jack's singing voice was voiced by a different person than His speaking voice. They do such a good job at sounding like each other it doesn't throw you off
I really think that the message of this movie is more to do with "embracing who you are." It's more of a "play to your strengths" kind of thing at the end. Jack wasn't depressed by _being_ the Pumpkin King; he just thought that Halloween itself was growing stale and listless; he was bored. And yet, even though he's seen an example of Christmas first-hand in Christmas Town, he makes no-objection to the Halloween-Themed Christmas the monster-folk are making; if anything, upon seeing their work he becomes even more elated by the thought of doing Christmas. He doesn't bat an eye at someone wanting to make a hat out of a rat or a bat, or the fact that the Reindeer are Skeletal, or that the toys are all scary... See, what Jack really needed was _new_ scary things; and by perverting Christmas themes into something scary, Jack now had new ideas for what he could do for Halloween. So in essence; Jack was doing what he did all along; he just did it differently.
Dude you are missing the point. Jack remorses and regrets what he did but it's not that he decides to go back just to set things right. He returns because during his remorse he realized that he does not know anything about Christmas and that Halloween is his true passion. This is shown by how his presents look like, if he truly knew about Christmas he would have made sure to make gifts like Santa's gifts, yet he decides the Halloween based gifts are fine since that is all he really knows. When he returned he realised that Halloween is his true passion. And he realized his role is one not only to those of Halloween but also to himself.
Not only is everything about this film brilliant, but it's so refreshing to see a film where the moral is: "find the thing your good at and stick to it!" The moral of: "You can be and do whatever you want", has been hammered home so much it's practically gospel at this point, indeed we're at the stage where even suggesting someone might have natural aptitudes and inclinations or should actually work to get good at something is categorised as some sort of hate speak. I loved the films music, aesthetic and characters, but the more I come back to it, the more this aspect of the story holds up, especially today. I do agree Sally and oogy boogy's kids needed more of an arc, and there needed to be a bit more reason for why Jack actually tasked the kids with kidnapping sandyclause in the first place if he knew what Oogyboogy was, but Jack's own character progression here is great.
I absolutely loved this movie as a kid, it came out when I was around 10, and I still adore it as an adult. Though as I got older I realized Jack is supposed to kind of be clueless, egotistical and melodramatic. Which is still great in a comedic sense. I think the lesson is Jack becoming reinvigorated in what he’s best at through poorly appropriating someone else’s specialty.
Die hard is a Christmas movie that got a summer theaterical release date, also you forgot the darkest disney movie the brave toaster that has suicides and deaths
I think the idea of Jack's transition back to being the Pumpkin King is that he was feeling down for failing at being Santa but then realizing that he at least had the courage to try something new and that failing at one thing didn't mean he was a failure because he knew he was always truly talented at doing his own thing. It wasn't so much that he was depressed at the monotony of his own life, it's that he lacked perspective to appreciate what he already had. I get that in real life, the lesson shouldn't necessarily be that we all should just accept what we have in our own lives even if we're truly unhappy and never try something different, but there's certainly a balance between those concepts that we all need to figure out for ourselves.
Well I mean when Jack said "don't tell oogie about this" bc I'm guessing oogie has caused a lot of trouble in the past and jack has found his home on multiple times for all we know oogie was probably the one who made people fear in the dark ages (no this not a rise of the guardians referenced ok) but still I'm just guessing oogies caused a lot of trouble in the past that's why jack knows where Sally and Sante were at
I feel like the message of The Nightmare Before Christmas was that, even if you're only good at one thing and you try something new and fail at it, it's okay to fail because at least you tried, and the fact that you tried is something to be proud of in itself. It's okay to fail. Jack was never meant to be Santa Claus, and he let himself get too deep into something he didn't completely understand. He made a big mess, and eventually had to admit defeat. In the song where he realizes that, though, he experiences shame until it clicks - He tried something new, and that failure has made him appreciate his own talents even more, giving him new enthusiasm for what he's actually good at.
It's honestly an important lesson for kids, especially the ones who grow up being told "You can be anything you want to be!" The reality is that no, you can't just be a pop star or a pirate king or the president of everything because you want to be. You have to work at it, you have to figure out what you're good at, and it's important to learn to love yourself for what you can do, rather than feel disappointment in what you can't.
This review is nice but I had a hard time agreeing with his interpretation of Poor Jack. I couldn't quite put it into words why I felt this way, but turns out I don't really have to. Others here including yourself have made it quite clear about that scene (yours is the best explanation I've seen).
I could not agree more!!
libraryham i think that because you saw it as a kid you have somewhat of the all experience
To much words
This is the best description of Jack’s character arc I’ve ever read. I’ve loved this movie since it came out. I felt this but could never articulate it. Great, great job!
I think Jack was happy that he tried something different to get out of his rut.
this exactly, He was tired of the same ol' bag of tricks, by doing christmas he now can envision new ways to scare. Jack never once said he was tired of conducting Halloween, just he was tired of doing the same things. He was an artist who tried a new medium and got inspired for their original medium.
SoopDwagg Exactly. Seeing all the spooky tricks he pulled off for Christmas inspired him to try again with Halloween, being excited to once again claim himself as the Pumpkin king.
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Yea such a upgrade. To a pirate to the literal *PUMPKIN KING!*
Personally your right but again he wants to change the routine of things, him taking over a different holiday is alot interesting than him staying of his own routine.
Him changing his mind is a big waste and felt pointless the villain seems like a weak villain, he was confirmed much more evil or more sinisteraly.
Jack seems to fucking nice to be called "the pumpkin king" even tho his suppose to be the scary being alive.
I never thought of Oogie Boogie as the "father" of the Boogie's Boys, always saw him more as their menacing boss who they run errands and do pranks for unless they want to end up killed and made into stew by him
So basically a Tim Burton version of Fagin?
Wait he’s the father I honestly thought that he was the boss like you said
@@crankyjanker2321 he isn't, it's just how Steve apparently interpreted it
MetaLatias5 oh
MetaLatias5 it would be pretty cool though and probably add a mystery on to how it happened
_"One person's craziness is another person's reality."_
*~ Tim Burton*
that profile pic speaks louder than the text in the comment
Mr. Friendship “an architect’s dream is an engineer’s nightmare.” ~I have no idea who said it
I love this quote.
@@notyourbusiness2335 Two amazing quotes, man I love this comment section!
Tim Burton confirmed for a worshipper of Sheogorath.
Even as a child I never saw Sally and Dr. Finkelstein's relationship as anything other than abusive. I've never seen him as over protective, but controlling. Only allowing her to go out when he says, and keeping her around literally to be his servant. He created her for this purpose but didn't create enough love for himself for her to be a loyal little handmaid to Jim, which is why Sally2.0 at the end literally looks like him. A narcissistic view of "she loves me as much as I love myself she won't leave"
this!!! i didnt personally need a resolution between the two character's because for me it felt like the film was really trying to enforce that finklestein is very stubborn and also pretty self centered, and when the thing (sally) that he created for the sole purpose of serving him wanted to actually live her own life he despised it. its almost like he felt threatened by it too??? which is why when he made the other one (sally 2.0) he literally gave it half of his brain. everything in his life has to be focused on him, even his servant, who looks just like him and shares the same exact mind. you could even take this one step further and say in the end hes technically being his own servant, meaning by the end of the film hes completely alone because no one could handle controlling behavior like that
@@izzycoppolino7369 that... That's actually a pretty good analisis.
Agreed. I always thought he was too mean to her and if he really cared about Sally he would let her explore even if it was just a few hours.
Couldn't agree more. And there's a sentence where he really tired of Sally and choose to ignore her. Whatever she does. For me it's understandable
definitely. he's always trying to control her, she's always trying to kill him ( the "Deadly Nightshade" she slips into his food is SUPPOSED to be poisonous, but i think it just puts him to sleep because he's an "undead").
One thing i don't think people appreciate about the doctor making a new assistant is that's EXACTLY what Sally TOLD him to do!
Sally (annoyed while being tied down) "You can make OTHER creations!"
After the third time, he's like "screw this, I'll just make a new assistant" while she's like "FINALLY, i'm FREE!"
Sally's feelings are totally valid. She was treated like a possession, and just wanted to be free to do what SHE wanted.
In a deleted scene you can actually see how Jack finds Santa and Sally. It was already fully animated. I have no idea why they cut it..
There is also a deleted scene that reveals that Oogie Boogie was actually Dr Finkelstein. He wanted to teach Sally "a lesson".
It was deleted because Tim Burton hated the idea so much he kicked a Hole in the wall after hearing it
@@williampulfer-melville8536 wait Really?? :O
@@mastersprogram yep
@@williampulfer-melville8536 damn-i never new that!
@@mastersprogram Also, Finklestein claimed that Sally only loved Jack, making the dynamic of an unhappy marriage with a controlling spouse. This was changed to a controlling father
Lock, Shock, and Barrel didn't "turn good" at the end. The three of them are out for #1: themselves. They're loyal to someone one moment, then double-cross them the next if they think it's in their best interest. Jack's trust in them to get such an important job done (ie kidnap Santa) proves that they've done good work for him in the past. This time, however, they saw an opportunity. They brought Santa to Jack and, once he got what he wanted from Santa, they ran off with him and gave him to Oogie Boogie. Giving him such an interesting and fun gift (and meal) would keep them in good standing with Oogie (especially since he and Jack don't get along and they just went and did work for Jack). At the end, though, they saw that Oogie was finished and jumped ship, running into town to bring the others out to Oogie's place to be like, "See, we helped. We're weren't bad, you can trust us."
Side note: I doubt the trio would have to move after Oogie's death. They're probably just going to keep living in the treehouse, maybe expand into the basement.
They could keep a whole cassino for the town down there and then set part of it up as a dungeon
The sequel comic (Zero's Journey) shows this is exactly what happened, and how they function. They DID inherit the casino, though the only time we see it is when they're helping the town try to search for Zero when he goes missing.
Then, as the comic goes on, while they are legitimately out to help Jack by going to Christmas Town to find Zero, they *also* do whatever they think is fun first, to the point they keep getting distracted from their actual mission, or use it as justification to cause more trouble (i.e., they rob a toy store at some point because, "well, Zero *could* be there, winkwinknudgenudge.").
I agree: Tim Burton does thrive more with his animated works rather than the live-action. There's a charm to them that just can't be topped.
I will say, tho, he nailed Sweeney Todd
I mean the "sleepy hollow" adaptation he made was good! (・∀・)
What about Edward Scissorhands and Ed Wood? Both starring Johnny Depp as a character named Edward, both among my all-time favourites.
Why does everyone hate Burton's live-action movies? Batman Returns and Dumbo are great
This movie was my childhood. When I was a little kid, I watched the part when he said "GONE AGAIN!" I laughed that part so much, I keep rewinding it were the dvd disc broke.
Godzilla Boi same! But I didn't break it though, just moved on.
That scene scared me like crazy even though I loved this movie and I watched it every day too. Nowadays I can watch and laugh at it too cuz of the constant shit he puts up with Sally 🤣
Me too
My mom actually loves the line that's a bit earlier. "You've poisoned me for the last time, you wretched girl!"
She really wants to say that to somebody. XD
*As a child:* Woohoo I love this movie!!
*As a adult:* ... I can now see the cause and effect of my behaviour.
8:30 "somehow survived"
Bruh, this dude is already dead, he's a skeleton
For crying OUT LOUD
Yeah how can he dead if he already is?
And Sally just jumped outta the tower
A movie that did the impossible of being both a Halloween and Christmas movie.
Billy and Mandy save Christmas
@keynan martinez
Actually tim burton has stated that this is a halloween movie
@@10.ikadekanandadwipayadnya83 And Bruce Willis said Die Hard isn't a Christmas movie. They're wrong. For me it's a Halloween and Christmas movie. It's also a Thanksgiving movie since a good portion of the movie takes place between October and December.
Batman Arkham Origins is a Christmas game
Spooky yet Joly
I think you misread the scene, she doesnt have sphycic visions , it's heavily insisted in the film that Halloween and Christmas are two things that physically can't function together, and her attempts to turn the twig in Halloween town into something that it doesn't belong as (a Christmas tree) is proof that the worlds can't collide as the twig burns up.
Other than that mistake I think this review is absolutely fantastic and I've been waiting for so long for a good review of this movie, and you haven't dissapointed ^^
She was playing 'Loves Me, Loves Me Not" with a flower. Because, ya know. She's crushing hard on Jack.
The flower itself morphed into the tree. Hence why there is the psychic assumption.
@@Shenorai oh yeah I forgot that thats what she was doing.
I think everyone should just ignore my comment
@@sociallyineptspider-man2366
You're half right.
Things in the lands of holiday become that holiday.
In this instance we are being shown through an example via Sally that these two worlds can not exist together.
@@Shenorai I always saw that as the universe sending Sally a message. We know that magic exists in that universe, maybe it's sentient enough to know a disaster is coming. Why else would the twig transform into a Christmas tree then burst into flames out of nowhere? Sally was chosen to stop the disaster but she failed, Santa ended up fixing it instead.
dude....dude.. psychic.... you have google, please use it (spelling right makes you sound smarter)
Lol I've never heard anyone refer to Oogie Boogie as a "Father."
Yeah, its so rare for anyone to refer to Oogie as that
"Classic Disney" Yes lets also not forget about fantasia involving a giant crowd of dinosaurs wasting to death from thirst XD
or "night on bald mountain" the big demon scene, that always made be like wtf as a kid.
Or the hyenas Nazi like March in the animated lion King (the original) (not the live action one that one sucked)
That scene alone is the reason I haven’t watched Fantasia since I first saw it as a kid,.. once you see that shiz it will mess you up for life I’m telling ya
@@brandoferg6460 *Černobog* is not just a "big demon"...
Well, it was Disney enough to be made into a world in Kingdom Hearts and Kingdom Hearts II.
I feel like the plot with Jack in the 3rd act was him realizing how good his role was. It's like cleaning every day. Its monotonous and boring, but if you can make it a game it's more entertaining. That's what I feel about Jack going back to his old life. He saw his life in a new light and recognized what he had been doing in Halloween Town wasn't boring and enjoyed it again
Think the revelation Jack had at the end was more of him discovering that he's trying too hard to be something he's not. Sure it's good to try new things, but basically it's as if a baker decided to take the job of an engineer without putting much thought or training into it
also I seriously enjoy this movie, I was practically raised off it during my early childhood, I even remember going though a book back when I was a toddler that talked about how the movie was make just because of the artwork alone (I still have that book today)
needless to say, this movie has a serious soft spot in my heart. The narrative is admittedly not the best, but the visuals, world, and charm is what gets people to come back
And Jack actually realizes he had that special thing that he thought was missing all along and it was Sally who was his secret admirer.
"Somehow survives being blown out of the sky."
I mean, he's a skeleton... he couldn't be more dead.
He can take he's head off.... So it doesn't surprise me that he survived.
Regarding Jack returning to being the Pumpkin King, I think it's like, a "you don't know what you have until it's gone" kinda lesson. He didn't realize how fulfilling and how good he was as the Pumpkin King until he tried something else (being Santa Clause).
I actually had no idea that Danny Elfman did Jack's singing voice. Thank you for sharing that information with us!
Jack Skeleton has kids hehe
He sings "Remains of the Day" in Corpse Bride too. I think he makes like the greatest music in Cinema
Alt. Title: The Pumpkin King's Mid-Life Crisis.
Also, just pointing out (if I'm wrong, you can correct me); Burton wasn't involved with James and the Giant Peach. Except they did add Capt. Skellington in that one scene in James and the Giant Peach.
he was involved in it to the extent of Nightmare, i believe.
Danny Elfman’s Mid-Life Crisis
Burton produced James, but didn't direct it. Just like with NMBC.
Re: Lock, Shock, and Barrel's turn at the end.
There's a deleted scene that was fully animated that shows they couldn't hear what was going on with Santa and Oogie. So they got snacks, went into their elevator, and watched from the window that Jack sneaks into later.
As a kid, it always bugged me that the elevator was already there without them in it, because it's shown it doesn't move unless they're controlling it, so...
Anyway, they hear the Mayor's announcement that Jack is gone, cheer, and go back to the "show". Later, Jack gets to the tree house, looks up, and sees the lights are off. He hears the trio's laughter, looks down, and sees them. This is actually the original reason he shushed Zero before climbing down - so Lock, Shock, and Barrel don't hear him, not Oogie.
So he terrifies them, they flee, and from there, it can be determined they fear Jack more than Oogie and go get the Mayor.
It was cut for two reasons: time, and to keep Lock, Shock, and Barrel more on the "playful tricksters" side of things and less, "evil little shits".
I personally feel it should have been left in. It fixes like three plot holes and gives the trio more characterization.
*Lock, Shock and Barrel to Oogie* : You miscalculated! We fear Jack more than we fear you
Huh. Interesting.
And then we have "Be"
Me: *hold up*
And then we have "Fore"
Me: *That's illegal*
I was sitting here thinking "Oh, no. No Bee movie..."
Me: SKIP
A holiday classic that people should watch every year
Skylynxify Reborn well you get the idea
I'm 27 years old, and still once a year at Halloween I meet my two best friends from school and we watch it 😁
DEFINITELY 🤩🤩
FiveOClockTea still good
You should review"James and the Giant Peach" for New Years
Darkest Christmas kids films? Don’t make me laugh have we all forgotten about grandma got hit by a reindeer
Oh gosh that movie
Is that what the film is called?
@@smorge7435 Grandma got run over by a reindeer is the title.
@Ice Why did you lie to them?
Grandpa is gonna sue the pants off Santa!
*The Nightmare Before Christmas:*
1. No Nut November
Dick the halls with all your seemen (friends)
Somethimes I question your sanity people
@@ricedealer56 Did I ever tell you the definition of insanity , *The irony of Ubisoft Games*
@@ricedealer56 *SANITY IS FOR THE WEAK!*
@@theblackbaron4119 not the Ubisoft
Great review! Very balanced.
From Poor Jack I really took it as he reflected on his actions and realized that he did have some good things going- and as a result, he goes back to his role with a new vigor. Overall very positive.
It wasn't that he didn't want to be the Pumpkin King- and it wasn't that he wouldn't bring anything new to it. But that he needed to unify his role with new ideas too.
Finklestein was supposed to originally be Boogie in disguise, but they ended up changing the final role.
Also Lock Shock and Barrel aren't related to Oogie.
Sally's role is more explored in a prequel, but I do think that they should've given a bit more build up than - "Oh I feel the same as him, therefore crush". Still sweet though.
I've always read Jack's epiphany as him lamenting that he couldn't do Christmas right, but that's because, as he says, he IS the Pumpkin King. He fits his role so naturally it permeates how he interprets the world around him. It is his nature and all he needed was the new inspiration this whole Christmas hoot-nanny gave him. He was trapped in looking at his role in the prescribed way, but his declaration that he's now inspired for next Halloween means he's shrugging off that framework of others and what he needed was to do whatever the hell he wants because he's THAT good at his job.
But that's just how I've seen it, and the movie is so surface it's easy to attribute deeper interpretations because the film isn't bothering to hold up its own.
I can hear the Nightmare Before Christmas theme song in my head
Halloween, halloween, halloween, halloween...
I can hear it in my head in 21 languages, & they're all good.
"Life is no fun without a good scare"
The Nightmare Before Christmas
50% Halloween, 50 Christmas
Decemberween: "Am I a joke to you?"
The nightmare before Christmas has such a weird mix of Halloween and Christmas because Tim Burton was window shopping the day after halloween and saw that a store had already begun to put up Christmas decorations. It inspired him to write a poem since people generally jump from halloween to Christmas and skip right over Thanksgiving. :)
Love your work♡
The Boogieman is still my favorite character, he's just having so much fun doing what he does.
edit: also some scenes were cut that might explain a thing or two. Then there's that one GBA game and PS2 game.
Steve: "Jack Skeleton"
Me: *drops pen*
Me: "What did you just call him?"
What? I call him Jack Skeleton
@@oskar3897 is it different in different countries or something? In every version I've seen it's definitely Skelington
Asking again for “Hachi a Dogs Tale.” Truly a beautiful movie.
jeffy jeffy I know but the movie is called Hachi.
Specter Assassin that movie makes me WEEP everytime I watch it
We're going to this man a break down.
Dude I _just_ watched this like 3 days ago with my dad on Disney+, this is perfect timing
The problem with Sally and the mad doctor was that he was possessive of her and trying to control her. Instead of learning to accept that she was her own person, he just made a new creature to replace her... incidentally giving Sally the freedom she craved.
Sally's desire for a life of freedom mirror's Jack's desire for a life of excitement. Neither of them are happy when they get what they thought they wanted. What they truly needed wasn't some unbridled new life style but the comforts of a loving relationship and having an equal to stand by them.
While Jack was definitely popular, he wasn't loved but *admired* by the townsfolk, who put him on a pedestal as their king... which isn't the same. Sally's open-mindedness and curiosity are shown during his presentation on Christmas (unlike other monsters, she likes the first part) and that's what makes Sally his equal.
At least that's my take on it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
“But also has alot of dark and disturbing imagery”
This was my childhood
"If you try something new and it doesn't work out, you should just go back to how things were" was the central moral of sooooooo many 90's films.
I’m incredibly surprised that Jack had a singing voice actor, the two actors sounded so much alike
I like the fact the military gets involved. And Jack knows what anti air weapons are.
He doesn't though. Jack thought the anti-air missiles were fireworks to celebrate him as Santa
bigg buff bois, Yes but after they hit him he didn’t play it off as an accident.
He knew immediately it wasn’t a gun salute that went wrong. He knew they they were aiming for him.
I completely forgot about the military. There's probably some symbolism about foreign cultures incorporating traditions and native idiots not understanding the true meaning of Christmas as "goodwill to all" there.
PorkPieDodger, Like the south park episode where Santa is shot down?
@@paladinboyd1228 Ehh kinda in the same ball park, yeah - mistreatment of innocents due to their ancestry/origin being foreign and uncontrollable.
Dear Steve please review
Paranorman
The adventures of Mark Twain
Frankinwenie
Thank You 😊😘
Yeah Frankenweeinie is really underrated.
The Adventurers of Mark Twain had a very weird depiction of Adam and Eve none of them are Naked like their suppose to be
I feel like the choppyness in the claymation gives it a loveable charm 🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰
I feel like Jack's failure was life affirming. He tried to be something he wasn't and I think in the graveyard he came to terms with who he is.
Tim Burton is truly the king of stop motion and this movie is his masterpiece
It's called stop motion and none of the puppets are made out of clay in Nightmare Before Christmas it cannot be called clay animation but I see where you're going and coming from its awesome right I love this movie. I actually did a lot of research on how the stop motion works you're either in the aardman camp that does plasticine clay for their characters more Tim Burton's camp where they make armatures and put latex on top of the Armature
RED SEA GAMING They’re happy
I thought the stop motion was made by Henry Selick (the same person from Coraline).
@@nesprincess1785 The stop motion was done by a team, but Tim Burton is responsible for the plot, the characters, & the world aesthetics.
11:21 - I thought the moral was don't try to be something you're not. Be what you were meant to be.
Never had even the inclination that Jack had been voiced by two people. A+
The character arc was that Jack found new meaning in being the pumpkin king- that he can find new ways to get the most out of being who he is, and the best at that. The concept was that though he tried his best, and it was enjoyable, he realized that the power to help others most lied within being himself, not trying to be someone else.
Danny Elfman once said Jack is the embodiment of every artist alive. Passionate, kind of self-center at times, and an idealist. Like every artist he's been so good for so many years at their thing, to the point it feels like it's repeating itself, and so he finds something new, something exciting, radically different to his thing. But, in the end, it didn't work out. It's okay! Because he TRIED, and he found a new angle, this experience will live on now inside him and he will be even better at his thing now thanks to it.
That is the core message of the movie, for me, at least, and as an artist I love the way it portrays it.
It's interesting seeing what everyone took away from the ending. As a kid I thought the point was that Jack tried to be someone he was not, and at the end he discovered that doesn't work and accepted who he was and decided he actually liked himself just fine. When I watched it again as an adult I saw multiple different ways of interpreting it and wasn't sure what I was supposed to take from it. I'm still not sure.
I never would have thought Elfman had that much range. He also is happy after he thinks he ruined Christmas because he feels inspired, he wanted to fill the void and he realizes that when he was working with his town they were thrilled even if they misconstrued Christmas. He was at his happiest when the town was doing something new and having some sorta fun with it. He realizes that doing something different isn’t beyond limitation. It just requires him to take that step, and at the end everybody gets to feel joy and have a Christmas instead of everlasting Halloween. Instead of waiting for Halloween and preparing for it for 365 days. They can feel joy and don’t have to be Halloween.
I love most thing Tim Burton does, his stories are so good! my most favorite of his is Big Fish, so good!
I think the message from both Jack returning to his role as well as the romance is this:
When we find ourselves “in a rut”, maybe what we need isn’t to totally overhaul our lives. Maybe we need to learn to be thankful for the good things and wonderful people we already have... Which is a VERY “Christmas-ey” theme.
Fun fact: Oogie Boogie's Song was originally going to have an extra part to it, but it was cut out because the scene would've been to difficult to animate. However, in Danny Elfman's cover of the song, the lyrics are included.
"Well, if I'm feelin' antsy
And I've nothin' much to do
I might just cook a special batch
Of snake and spider stew
And don't you know the one thing
That would make it work so nice?
A roly-poly Sandy Claws to add a little spice"
Glad to know that I’m not the only person who felt like Jack and Sally’s relationship was forced. They didn’t have a connection with each other and it didn’t feel real and natural
I think the moral was "don't be something you're not" but that's jus me
Tim Burton is a living reminder that movies can be art.
Please review “The Dark Crystal” next!
Yes, yes! The Dark Crystal!
*Demanding Skeksis Noises*
That movie scarred me as a child
Yes, for then we shall drain his essences and consume for ourselves. ESSENCES!!
Imagine if Jack was an animal skeleton instead..
"OwO, what's this?!"
Mal0?
"A bee is an animal"
*scientific classification rage*
HisShadow I mean, scientifically, a bee is an animal. It is classified under invertebrates, which are animals.
But it's clearly a mushroom!
simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_of_life_(biology)
Bees are animals tho? Insects are animals too, many seem to forget that..
You know the 2 voices actors of Jack are good when you only learn that he has 2 voice actors watching this video
5:35
"I-I-I-I LOVE LITTLE-"
F B I-!
*CONFUSED SCREAMING ENSUES*
Being the pumpkin king is only as thrilling as Jack makes it, he thought he was tired of the role but he realized he was sad because he didn't do anything with it. Then he went to save Santa because he knows that Santa is good at his role and Jack is good at his own role
When I was younger I hated the oogie boogie song scene . Not sure why, maybe it terrified me in some way
This is one of those films I diidn’t around to watching for years. Until one day I finally picked up a copy and watched it. So glad I did, it's wormed its way into my heart and is now one of the films I watch over Halloween and Christmas
Disney's Chrismas Carol with Jim Carey
I'm happy to hear your opinion about this movie :) thank you for all the hard work you do. I hope you have a Merry Christmas this year
Please Review *"A Silent Voice"*
This film would be interesting to see and to review. Several people have shed their opinions and I think you need to as well.
anyone if you agree help me convince him, and if you disagree with me so be it.
Both the manga and the film are wonderful and made me cry like a baby.
@@freaknr1 Thank you for sharing your thoughts
Well reviewed.
Try Little Nemo in Slumberland, its free on RUclips
This is a masterpiece and I remember watching this so many times as a kid I was so inspired I actually did stop motion with my camera because I was inspired from it. I also love Coraline I don't care it has scary imagery kids need to be scared at young age. Please review Little Nemo in Slumberland that's another classic movie for my childhood. In the fact that they didn't have digital cameras when they made this movie so it was all a guess of what came out at the other end after they were done filming
I think it is more about Jack feeling no challenge in being the Pumkin King. He can scare everyone without the slightest bit of effort and by doing the same over and over again. His entire existance is boring to him and makes him go through depression. After Jack fails at taking over christmas to finally do something new he beats himself up but realizes that he had a challenge in christmas and even tho he failed he gave his best. Through doing his best and working hard he reawakend his passion and wants to be more overkill with futur hallowens
Oogie Boogie sounds like he is having so much fun in his song. I love it. ♥️
The song in this called this is Halloween is amazing
10:09 is a mood.
Fun fact: the Polish translation of this movie has one of the most bizzare name translations I've ever seen. In Poland we don't really have any mainstream easily recognized by kids boogeyman-like creature (only regional ones), so Oogie Boogie is translated as "Babojagołak" which literally translates to "Were-Witch".
I'd love to see your thoughts on James and the Giant Peach or Corpse Bride
Corpse bride!!
Or Frankeweenie since it’s insanely underrated
Tim Burtons visuals for his stop motion movies are such eye candy
I'm sure this will be explained a million times over, but Lock, Shock and Barrel aren't directly Oogies kids, they're more just his goons.
When I was little I never would have guessed the Jack's singing voice was voiced by a different person than His speaking voice. They do such a good job at sounding like each other it doesn't throw you off
I always saw the lesson as "don't mess with crap you don't understand" but I would love to hear others. 🤔
I really think that the message of this movie is more to do with "embracing who you are."
It's more of a "play to your strengths" kind of thing at the end. Jack wasn't depressed by _being_ the Pumpkin King; he just thought that Halloween itself was growing stale and listless; he was bored.
And yet, even though he's seen an example of Christmas first-hand in Christmas Town, he makes no-objection to the Halloween-Themed Christmas the monster-folk are making; if anything, upon seeing their work he becomes even more elated by the thought of doing Christmas. He doesn't bat an eye at someone wanting to make a hat out of a rat or a bat, or the fact that the Reindeer are Skeletal, or that the toys are all scary...
See, what Jack really needed was _new_ scary things; and by perverting Christmas themes into something scary, Jack now had new ideas for what he could do for Halloween.
So in essence; Jack was doing what he did all along; he just did it differently.
I love the walking bathtub. I want one to ride to work while taking a bath. To quote Murdock : *THE BATH!*
Really reminded me of The Luggage. There needs to be a stop motion Terry Pratchett movie.
I remember loving this movie so much when I was younger, now that I’m a bit older and rewatching it… dear Lord.
Dude you are missing the point. Jack remorses and regrets what he did but it's not that he decides to go back just to set things right. He returns because during his remorse he realized that he does not know anything about Christmas and that Halloween is his true passion. This is shown by how his presents look like, if he truly knew about Christmas he would have made sure to make gifts like Santa's gifts, yet he decides the Halloween based gifts are fine since that is all he really knows. When he returned he realised that Halloween is his true passion. And he realized his role is one not only to those of Halloween but also to himself.
Well said
Not only is everything about this film brilliant, but it's so refreshing to see a film where the moral is: "find the thing your good at and stick to it!"
The moral of: "You can be and do whatever you want", has been hammered home so much it's practically gospel at this point, indeed we're at the stage where even suggesting someone might have natural aptitudes and inclinations or should actually work to get good at something is categorised as some sort of hate speak.
I loved the films music, aesthetic and characters, but the more I come back to it, the more this aspect of the story holds up, especially today.
I do agree Sally and oogy boogy's kids needed more of an arc, and there needed to be a bit more reason for why Jack actually tasked the kids with kidnapping sandyclause in the first place if he knew what Oogyboogy was, but Jack's own character progression here is great.
Thank u this has just made my birthday great
Happy birthday, stranger!
I absolutely loved this movie as a kid, it came out when I was around 10, and I still adore it as an adult. Though as I got older I realized Jack is supposed to kind of be clueless, egotistical and melodramatic. Which is still great in a comedic sense.
I think the lesson is Jack becoming reinvigorated in what he’s best at through poorly appropriating someone else’s specialty.
The Prince of Egypt
Jack is ended up in the Christmas Town, but later, he comes back in Halloween Town. *SOME HOW?*
Die hard is a Christmas movie that got a summer theaterical release date, also you forgot the darkest disney movie the brave toaster that has suicides and deaths
The nightmare before Christmas is one of my all-time favorite movies and I watched it for the first time earlier this year
I hate musicals with an intense and burning passion. But I never complained with this film!
My favorite movie of all time. Watch every year for my birthday which is on the 24th of December. Never get tired of it!
This is entretening even though I've seen the movie hundreds of times
I think the idea of Jack's transition back to being the Pumpkin King is that he was feeling down for failing at being Santa but then realizing that he at least had the courage to try something new and that failing at one thing didn't mean he was a failure because he knew he was always truly talented at doing his own thing. It wasn't so much that he was depressed at the monotony of his own life, it's that he lacked perspective to appreciate what he already had.
I get that in real life, the lesson shouldn't necessarily be that we all should just accept what we have in our own lives even if we're truly unhappy and never try something different, but there's certainly a balance between those concepts that we all need to figure out for ourselves.
Confession I’ve never watched this film
Go watch it
Totally worth a watch.
You should :)
Why bother? You got the gist, clearly there's nothing more to see after this.
OH WAIT THE FLIPPING AMAZING MUSIC WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE WATCH IT.
Go my child, hurry before time runs out.
Well I mean when Jack said "don't tell oogie about this" bc I'm guessing oogie has caused a lot of trouble in the past and jack has found his home on multiple times for all we know oogie was probably the one who made people fear in the dark ages (no this not a rise of the guardians referenced ok) but still I'm just guessing oogies caused a lot of trouble in the past that's why jack knows where Sally and Sante were at
Tim Burton only PRODUCED James and the Giant Peach
I love your explanation for covering this movie during Christmas