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- The New England Patriots are coming off their worst home loss of the Bill Belichick era, with their offense struggling to put up points as they fell to 2-and-4 in their first season without Tom Brady. One league exec even made an interesting comparison in The Athletic, saying quote 'Phil Jackson was a great coach, but… it turns out it really does matter if Michael Jordan is there.' In this analogy, Michael Jordan is now the quarterback of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, who sit at 5-and-2 and look like the best team in the NFC. Hear who Skip Bayless and Shannon Sharpe think is responsible for the Patriots' dynasty.
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Skip & Shannon on who is responsible for the Pats' Dynasty, Belichick or Brady? | NFL | UNDISPUTED
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Who is responsible for the Patriots' dynasty: Bill Belichick or Tom Brady?
Both wouldn’t have had the same success without the other. This is a question that has been asked too many times. Both are hugely important.
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This topic is lame
@24 7 without Brady wasn’t bill 40-50 something😂🤔
Losing record even having Newton. Got to be Brady
Tom Brady said: “I’m older now, if I wanna win I can’t be throwing to lacrosse players & Popeyes employees 🤷🏾♂️” and left New England. Simple
Butler is no longer with the Pats. And he's a cornerback. Lol
Facts
Exactly
😂
I just don’t understand why BB can’t just get Brady a couple weapon and makes TB happy. 🤦♂️
Skip: he picked Tampa bay because of their defense.
me: Tom Brady picked Tampa bay because of their offense
My Dad sent Tom to Tampa...he said so...
Exactly
Why not both?
Both. And then they added AB, Gronk, Fournette, Antoine Winfield Jr, and a top lineman in the draft
They didn’t add ab at the time, no
tom brady has always made people around him better during his early years. dudes 43 years old now. he deserves to be on a stacked team helping him now.
U sound dumb
@@thatruth021686 you look dumb
@@sjacqVO21 he has never mad any one better tf
@@thatruth021686 he's right tho.
@@thatruth021686
Wes Walker, Julian Edelman, his offensive lines throughout the years. Brady has made a ton of players better.
Why do you think the Patriots have never spent big money on running backs and receivers? 😂
And Shannon hates what people do with Tom Brady but he does the same for lebron. Gives all the credit to lebron
No he doesn't. Guys like Wade, Davis, Bosh, Kyrie get tons of credit. Also in the NBA there is only 5 starters. In the NFL there's 24 starters. Lebron contributes more to games than Brady does.
@@jonathang8996 you can say that but in football you can have 20 pedestrian players and 4 goats and win look at 2 of Brady's super bowls as an example. You can't have 2 of your five players be just average and win the NBA finals, even Micheal Jordans Bulls has more elite level players than the nba allows starters imagine having a lakers team so stacked it's got AD, Dwight, a young Alex Caruso who is proving himself to be a top tier passer and scorer, Lebron James, green, I mean literally to say "lebron carried this team" is like seeing 6 sled dogs pulling a 2 ton sleigh and saying "look at this lead sled dog, he is carrying the other 5"
@@joshuaburgos3450 all of those he had a top defense those offense weren’t averaging over 20 pts a gain the defense was just holding everyone below
super facts which is why i don't know why people tell me what he said about Lebron lmao
I agree but basketball isn’t comparable to the most team oriented sport of all time
They have basically had this argument in mini sections of every tom brady conversation🤯
Next topic... who's the goat, MJ or LeBron? Lol
@@GameTime-yj6qv Bill Russell. He won more tiles:) Back then the NBA was this watered down pile is steaming cutch up 3 league it is now. People actually passed the basketball back then. It made it harder to play defense because the ball moved. It was LeBron dribbling for 23 1/2 and chucking up his shot and a last second pass to a surprised team who was half sleep watching LeBron dribble out the 24 secs. The talent was piled into less team meaning more good teams. Not 2 super teams so to speak like there is today. Winning when it matters, matters. Russell won when it matter. LeBron and MJ won only when they had teams clearly better than everyone else. Exciting. They won nothing until that happened. It took MJ 8 years. If he was so good why didn't he win earlier? Bird did.
It's to the point where I'm saying it right along with them word for word. I have this whole act memorized.
These two have the same discussion every episode. You can't debate skip he is a know-it-all. Never argue with a know it all. You'll never win
@@larrylindgren9484 Bill Russell won when there were only 8-10 teams in the league and significantly less talent. Nobody who makes the argument you just made deserves to be taken seriously. You are nothing but a pure hater.
Has anyone stopped to think that Brady makes his defenses better? They practice against him every week.
I'm not a Tom brady hater but if that's the case the bears offence should be better cause they practice against the bears defence😭😭😭
Plus Brady leads, long, sustained drives that tire out opposing defenses and allow his to rest.
@@MichaelMurphy-kj3xf thats why they are so high in Scoring Defenses. They dont have to defend to much
@@infinity558mippy8 that doesn’t make sense Nick foles is inconsistent and trubisky is garbage. We don’t have a brady
I can agree with Murphy, can't say the same for your point though. Practicing against him isn't going to revolutionize a defense. In that case why doesn't KC have an ultra elite defense?
80% to Tom.
Tom played for less allowing for a deeper team, and a deeper defence.
Kraft doesn’t pay his players.
Did players want to play for less money for Kraft and Belicheck, NO
Did players play for less to play with Tom, YES.
Leadership, players play better for Tom, on both sides of field.
It takes a team to win. Brady allowed for a deeper team by settling for less. If Brady went after the money, the Patriots Dynasty never happens.
Hit it right on the head
🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯
20% is a little disrespectful, BB is the architect of the dynasty. TB12 is the one who sold it to the other players and was a demonstrator of how it will work....just saying.
Nailed it
Kraft doesn't pay for his off the field players either!! Get a top end escort and leave them middle aged, cheap foreigners to us broke bums. C'mon man! Spend your money on top line talent!
Shannon is never gonna give Tom Brady credit, just how skip doesn’t give credit to lebron.
Shannon did say Brady is the goat quarterback after his 5th ring tho
You cappin bro Shannon already said Tom was the GOAT. Skip is the one that wanna pretend that Brady isnt out there with Evans, Godwin, Gronk, Howard, Miller, Fournette, and that other RB AND soon to be AB AND a top 5 defense. Skip also ignores all things that Lebron has done by bringing up 2011 finals. Pay attention to the sports and the show
if brady wins this year, it would be incredible.
yap it's played to give us entertainment.
Fair
Team effort
where was this “team effort” when the almost same team went 7-9
Brady is showing who is the GOAT
Yeah It’s A Team Effort.
Brady leadership*** their success comes from him, he even took pay cuts so that he could have better teams around him and still sometimes they didnt get him weapons
One man inspired team effort
Bill as a coach is 51-65 before Brady
Bill as a coach is 136-39 and 6 SB Rings with Brady.
In 2020 Bill is 2-4 without Brady.
Do we really need a discussion about this?
Do those numbers account for the season Brady was injured??? Fastest qb/coach duo to 100 wins...Brady made Belichick and it's not close.
Really hard times for Shay Shay, Max Kellerman and Rob Parker
And skip
Not really, the Bucs are STACKED.
Skip too he’s just a wagon jumper
@@juanrolandodelarosa1550 Moving the goal post. Brady chose wisely.
@@stephanea5364 not really, i only know what Kellerman said, he said that Tom Brady is declining which is true, his team is stacked and he is not a top 5 QB rn thats all, his stats are below average.
It has NEVER been Toms physical gifts that makes him the goat. Its his ability to make those around him play better or at least to their ability. He changes the mindset of the whole team including the coaches.
That's right. One of those rare mentalities that impose their will onto those around them. This is the pinnacle of determination and belief, and something we see from only the most elite of the elite. Not to mention he's still doing this decades into his career. To have that level of desire after so long is amazing in itself.
Last year nobody mentioned the Bucs as contenders, this year they are the team to beat, is sure taking long to fall of that cliff
I never bought the Tom Brady washed stuff because as an eagles fan Carson Wentz and Tom Brady had the worst weapons in the league last year and that matters, it really limits you. What really stands out is they both played really well last year too. So when Brady gets the weapons you see what he can do he was NEVER washed at all. And with Wentz once he gets sanders, goedert, Reagor we will see him take off too (forget first three anomaly games)
Last year Brady's weapons were bottom of the league in separation. I bet if they could get open consistently then Brady would be fine. Brady usually never had great weapons but they at least could get open in the past. Last year they couldn't get no type of separation.
Exactly it doesn’t matter how well you throw the ball if ur receivers can’t get separation 🤦🏽♂️ he looks the same to me 💯
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Daws your team had weapons it is Wentz that never know how to use them
I love how skip praises Brady for doing something with nothing but doesn’t acknowledge wentz does the same thing. Definitely think Brady is better but wentz deserves credit for what he’s working with
Shannon just said two weeks ago that toms poor performance proves Bill is what’s matters now all of sudden you can’t judge someone with only 8 weeks into the season foh bruh He mad my homeboy is being exposed
What does Mahomes have to do with anything?
@DiabolousSpiritus he now says its lawerence taylor
A coach preforming and a player preforming is deferent to judge off of.
@DiabolousSpiritus 😆
@@r6plays126 and if LT is the goat then we should talk his Bill Belichick
Brady is. Sharpe has a grudge against both the GOATS MJ and Tom Brady
The actual goats 🐐
Shay Sharpe hates both Goats Good point.
Shannon has said multiple times that Brady has the best resume tho
Lebron the NBA goat so idk what’s to hate on
@@a123bcish nah he top 5 tho
Before the age of 43 Brady went to 9 SBs, Won 6!, 17 Division titles, 9 Conference titles.
My favorite fact is that Tom had three rings before he ever even lost a playoff game!
Brady 80%
Belichik 20%
Some people are gonna say Belichik won 2 rings before brady as a defensive coordinator but don’t forget he rode bill parcells and Lawrence taylor’s coattails
Just give Belicheck 2%
What about the 52 other players on the team?
@@jonathang8996 They get 1%.lmao
@@jonathang8996 Bill himself treated those guys as replaceable pieces.
@@goldexperience5838 and let's not forget Brady taking less money opened the door for Belichick to have the cap room all those years to build a championship team
I dont know what Tom did to Shannon in a past life man, but Jesus.
He’s paid to do that bro. It’s a debate show. Because remember after the 28-3 debacle he crowned brady the best football player of all time then in another show he said he will no longer say that Aaron Rodgers is better than TB 12. So he contradicts himself a lot
Idk what you mean for the most part because all I hear from shay is him. emphasizing how it’s a team sport. offense can’t win without a defense and defense can’t win without an offense.
@DiabolousSpiritus I’m not sure how to argue against Mahomes & Rodger without them being brought up here. But since you brought them they are definitely overall better qbs. Me personally I’d take prime Rodgers over anybody. I get Brady is the most accomplished qb ever but he’s definitely not the best to throw the ball.
@DiabolousSpiritus How do you know? Are you in the locker with any of these team to know who is the better leader?? And secondly what is a better leader because isn’t that subjective?
@DiabolousSpiritus Yeah, I’m 3 years old and I’m more intelligent than you apparently.
Watching Shannon down brady is more cringe worthy than skip downing lebron
Not at all lmao. Lebron is the best in the world still. Tom Brady isn’t a top 5 QB
When did Shannon down Brady? Pretty sure he only said positive things this video
@@InbredSpanishKing Bron lucky the best players are injured in 2020.. if Pat Mahomes and Russel Wilson we’re injured we’d be saying Tom Brady is best QB in the league. Bron cupcake walk to the mickey mouse ring baby!
@@bradyw6603 the best players were smoked by their competition (giannis,kawhi)and then lebron smoked the teams that they lost to so stop hating bruh!
@@InbredSpanishKing lewoke most catered superstar in history. Lol jumping ship whenever things get hard. One calls himself the goat, cries for respect, and drew the lowest ratings in finals history, the other one just goes to work and wins 6 rings.
When you have a dynasty there’s no 1 person that deserves the majority of the credit ESPECIALLY in football
@ReturnoftheBrotha they were trash Last year already
@ReturnoftheBrotha Corona stopped the real patriots way and that's spying on its competitors. The patriot way we knew of and credited Bill for will always follow Brady no matter if he a player or if he decides to coach. Brady is the real true patriot at heart.
@@johnkoch9610 Brady and belichick was also falling out worse than ever last year as well. That wasn't a good year for the patriots lockeroom
@ReturnoftheBrotha they sucked last year. They only had a good record because of their defense and a SUPER easy schedule. Their schedule this year is extremely hard and they lost countless players.
@@johnkoch9610 12-4 and went to the playoffs is trash? bruh most teams would beg for that
It's not just 7 games. Belichick had a middling non-Brady coaching record before 2020. But in these 7 games, the Patriots are already suffering losses that are historically bad in the Belichick era, while Brady is on pace for more touchdowns than he's thrown in a season since 2007. So yeah, I do think that's kinda telling. I was always on the Brady side of the Brady-Belichick debate, but honestly, the results to this point are drastically worse than I ever would have guessed.
People forget Bill teams were bad lmao. He's a great defensive mind but Brady made him what he is today.
95/5 Brady. That 5% for Bill is for sticking with Tom when Bledsoe healed up.
99.9% goat 0.1% belifraud
So the when bill held kurt warner and Marshal faulk to 17 points and brady didn't score a TD was that brady ? When bill held the giants to 17 in the first superbowl and brady , who avg 36 points a game (and put up 38 on giants last game of season/also were undefeated) only scored 14 was that brady ? When the falcons where up by 25 , bill did give up 25 but brady only scored 3. And when they came back, everytime brady scored , the falcons offense got the ball and wat happen ? Was that brady by himself ? When the seahawks were about to score on the goal line and wilson threw the INT, was that brady or bill? What about when they played the rams the second time and bill only gave up 3 points & brady didn't have a td. Was that bill or brady ? I just need to know
@@504gucci4 they will never give him credit for his defenses. The only Defensive coach in history with a MVP of the league is on Defense.
NAW SHAY NOT GONNA LET U DO IT
*U BET THE PATS WOULD HAVE A BETTER SEASON THAN TAMPA THEN TOOK IT OFF THE TABLE*
Lmao cap
Glad my Bucs picked him up. Lets go GOAT Brady🐐
So since Shannon said that and now when clearly Tampa will be the better team, he's supposed to keep saying it? If I dye a red shirt yellow, I won't continue calling it red.
@@mbp7060 so in other words he was wrong
@@mbp7060 yeah but the thing is now he’s shifting the narrative to “it’s only 7 games” and “he’s had good defenses” and “the patriots don’t have talent”
Brady had a super respectable season with that team last year and they went 12-4. While Cam Newton is on pace to have an all time atrocious season and the pats miss the playoffs.
*I think Tom Brady was smashing Unc Shay Shay boo thang who broke up with him & left a letter*
🤦🏿♂️😩😫😅😂🤣🤣🤣
I wish Shannon applied this same team mentality to discussions of LeBron
💯💯
Agreed!
I think it's difficult with LeBron when his usually THE key piece within a team. Especially, for the Cavs.
Since bball teams are so much smaller than football teams so it’s easier to make individuals seem bigger with NBA than NFL.
@@Tarzan118 true .. but it's not like it's tennis. Still 5 on 5 full court.
Shannon always looking for a reason to hate Brady, always looking for a reason
Let's assume you're right have you considered why?
He said he’s the goat before ... u sound idiotic
Nah he just refuses 2 let Brady take all the credit when he knows he doesn't deserve it
I think he just needs to be skips antithesis for the ratings but deep down he knows Brady is the goat like he has admitted.
@No Heart Nick It's called a backhanded compliment ... u sound idiotic.
Tom Brady and Bill Belichick:
peanut butter and jelly
koolaid and sugar
they just went great together
Goes together like lamb and tunafish 😂 big daddy
Hey how great is bill when corona is stopping him from spying on his competitors? Not so great now is he lol Brady been what he is now but the Patriots coach is another story
@@nealvids brady can't even deflate his balls either
Without one the other can't play good it showed as beloche is not great without brady so I think he a overrated coach with Brady since they a pb@j
@@356z Brady seem just fine without it meanwhile old Bill look like he missing a big part of his playbook without them secret films
Sometimes I think Skip isn’t even listening to Shannon. When Shannon asks a question, Skip perks up and just says something random, completely unrelated to the question 😂😂
Stop asking this question. Both are as important as the other.
No dude. Prove it.
Greatest coach ever should still have a winning record in the games coached without one Tom Brady yes?
He had 10 starters opt out
Yeah 10 starters opted out due to covid lmao
@@thatruth021686 Oh and corona also stopping him from spying 😭 we all know the Patriots need that in the playbook
Y'all think so simplistically. It's like y'all can't comprehend the fact that there's other important pieces to a team besides QB.
@@jonathang8996 As a former football player I'll tell u that having a great QB/Leader is a HUGE boost for everybody. If ur Defense sucks the QB can help u with that. If ur Offense sucks a great QB can help you with that. If your coaching staff is.. EH a great QB and team leader can help you with even that problem
Minimizes everything Brady does. Follows it up with "I'm not gonna minimize what Tom Brady is doing."
Basically, it’s looking like with Belichick’s style, he needed Tom Brady to win... but Brady doesn’t need him to win.
"Tom Brady might be the greatest deodorant" - Shannon Sharpe
🙄
😂
Smells Like Tom Spirit
Tom Brady helps his defence be top 10.
Tampa's defense was legit before he got there. I think what you mean is that Tom comes to a team and makes players believe and play like they can go all the way.
Well considering Bill is a defensive coach that only ever really spent money on the defense and occasionally the O-line, they should have had top 10 defenses. I think people forget how badly Brady had to paper over the cracks of the offense with the weapons he was forced to throw to every year
Facts.
Brady leaving is why the Patriots defense isn’t good anymore because Brady is the best defensive player of all time.
Tom Brady proving people wrong, for a 20th year in a row. "When will they ever learn"? He is different gravy.
id like to see TOm play on an average team like the packers XD with a bottom tier D and no talent.
He literally needs a stack team, brees puts better numbers with less talent, michael thomas is his first prowl bowl receiver he had wit the saints (just beat panthers without our starting two receivers)
85-15 Tom - BB's not just the coach, but the GM as well. He built some real talent deprived teams and made some bad personnel decisions as GM and Tom always pulled them out of the ditch.
Shannon can’t argue against toms greatness. It’s too much
With all due respect to the coaches, it's down to the players to execute in the game.
Therefore, Brady > Belichick.
Without the coaches, the players would not succeed, especially in football which is the ultimate team sport.
"Skip there's a possibility that we'll never see another dynasty run like this"
- Shannon a few years ago
Not even that he said he was the goat when he won his 5th title
Tom Brady and Bill Belichick will go down as the greatest Head coach - QB duo of all time
Agreed
That’s a hot take
@@bondcast3630 I was thinking the same thing 😂🤪
Brady is the MJ of football 💪
Hes the GOAT🔥💪👏🏽📈📈
Shannon sounds like a salty ex-player that doesn’t have any of the attributes Brady has.
Pretty accurate description lmao
Well he is a 3time champion, great leader, hall of famer who paved the way for the new era tight ends and retired as the best with all passing records so, he does have a bunch of attributes to make him one of the greats just like Brady. I am a Brady fan but I respect Shannon a lot for what he was and is even if I don't agree with his Brady takes I look at it like an entertainment segment, both have to disagree for ratings and such
I think tom brady deserves to have an elite defense especially if Belichick wasnt going to give him any real talent just guys who are average joe's. He deserves atleast that if you won't get him RB or a WR
Probably the first time ever I sided with skip... Lol
Toms the system and I don’t wanna hear it anymore
Nah, he's just in another beneficial system. Jameis Winston threw for 5000 yards with this team. All Tom is doing is bringing better decision-making. I'd say 12-15 QBS would be doing as good or better than Tom with those weapons.
thank u
@@kazokadasExcept Tom has been doing this for decades with mediocre talent. James Winston just cared about slinging the ball around and going for big plays and yards, instead of making the right plays. Put Jameis or most of the other QBs in the league on last years' Pat's team and see if they can get to 12 wins. Cam has about the same team and we see how that is working out.
@@kazokadas That excuse might hold water... Until you realize with the same group of guys, just last year, 12 wins and playoff hunting with the pats. Only to now have it proven before all that he was the one who made useless weapons into a 12 win team, which might not even get half that.
Care for more excuses on the 'but he just got better players and is a system' now?
@@unbroken5394 Mediocre talent? This guy....
The average defense for Brady is ranked 7.67 in the league.
The average defense for Manning was ranked 14.59 in the league.
The average defense for Brees is ranked 26.47 in the league.
The average defense for Rodgers is ranked 14.55 in the league.
The average defense for Brady to be in the playoffs is ranked 7th.
The average defense for Manning to be in the playoffs is ranked 12.53.
The average defense for Brees to make the playoffs is ranked 11.33.
The average defense for Rodgers to make the playoffs is 12.37.
The average defense for Brady to miss the playoffs is 17.
The average defense for Manning to miss the playoffs is 30.
The average defense for Brees to miss the playoffs is 26.55.
The average defense for Rodgers to miss the playoffs is 22.
Every other one of those QBs have been better with worse defenses. Brady needed to have insane defensive talent to do what he did.
Did Skip just say TB12 is going to be the MVP this year
He’s a candidate right now as we speak...
@@162iceguy Candidate? What is he ranked like 12th??
@@tb109987 did you not just watch the video?
He’s literally a top 5 mvp candidate right now.
@@162iceguy He's not a serious candidate yet. He's too inefficient with his passing.
Shannon brings up completion percentage, passer rating, and yards per attempt to knock Brady’s performance this year? What about yards, touchdowns, turnover ratio, and wins? And it’s funny how he says 22nd in completion percentage as if 66% is not good. And finally, take away Brady’s first two games in Tampa and he is a legit top 3 MVP candidate and quarterback in the league even with the stats Shannon used.
Facts
Stop sukkin Brady
Shannon: "So we're basically ending the debate after 7 games?"
Skip: "Yup, it's over."
🤣🤣🤣Lmao skip be killing me
I hated the Patriots, like really HATED them. But, after all this time, I've decided to respect greatness and become a Brady fan. I really believe we should all be grateful, stop what we're doing for a minute and admire this man's greatness, at 43 he's STILL producing great numbers and does not look old at all. Keep it up, Tom. He's the G.O.A.T. no doubt 🐐
There's one Variable I always see that's never attributed to the defenses that Brady has throughout the years.. and thats Brady himself, you damn well know brady will throw in coverage drills during practices, giving them practice against The Goat, theoretical the Best option you'd want for practice..
True, this isn't mentioned much if any. Plus, Brady also gives the defense confidence because they know they have a qb that doesn't make many mistakes or puts them in tough field positions.
It's cool to see more and more people realizing this. About time.
Not only that but it's easy to play defense when your team goes up big early...
Also with the offense playing better and staying on the field longer, the defense gets a chance to rest.
So why did Pittsburghs defense during the triple b era , Saints defense most of Brees career, Rodgers defense in any playoff lost and KC defense in Mahomes first season struggle that much? I think its a reach to credit Brady for the great defense much because for other great QBs it doesnt apply. I think offenses and defenses are operating very seperated and therefore the effect of a QB on the defense is more in avoiding turnovers, extending drives to give the defense more time to adjust and rest,giving them good field position and putting pressure on the opposing offense by scoring a lot.
Only reason he lost last year was because he had nobody to throw to. Brady just built different in his 40s
If Antonio Brown would have behaved and stayed on the team, they had a good chance to win the Super Bowl. With the attention he would have gotten from defenses, he would have made it easier on other receivers to get open.
@@EHh95 Brady often had to throw the ball away because no one was open and the offensive line wouldn't give him much time.
The biggest Belichick blunder was benching Malcom Butler during the superbowl, and letting the backup get torched the whole game.
Mo Lewis when he hit Bledsoe, that's what started the dynasty.
This show should be called “all we do is talk about the same topics everyday”. A bit more honest
Tom Brady since Week 3
130 of 197 (66.0%), 1,454 Yards, 15 TDs, 1 INT, 111.1 Rating
Patriot QBs since Week 3
71 of 117 (60.7%), 709 Yards, 2 TDs, 10 INTs, 48.0 Rating
if tom brady was that good why did he go to a stacked team
@@mitch3613 See y’all be hating on people on stacked teams but when they on bad one y’all be like oh he has no weapons etc YALL ARE CONFUSING and Mahomes is on the most stacked team in the NFL so what’s the difference
Bill Belicheck never won anything as a head coach until Brady landed in his lap now the world will see the truth Brady was the unicorn not Bill
Bill Belichek is the reason the Giants won their 1rst 2 SBs in their history as a coordinator. Tom Brady maybe wouldn't have ever existed in the NFL if Bill didn't scout him. Give Bill some credit 8 rings 11 sbs appearances.
This guy is a cornball
Was he the head coach .no
@@lcr1236 for Skip to say Brady is exposing BB for what he always has been, an average coach, pretty good on defence, is laughable. Belicheck's defensive game plan for the Giants 1st SB win is in the HOF, how many other "average" coaches have that distinction.
@@lcr1236 bill didn't scout him, their scout did and was hyping up brady.
Knowing you have Tom Brady at Quarterback of course your defense is going to play harder. He gives you hope.
So basically your giving Brady credit for everything their defense did? Wtf. You could just as easily say Brady played confidently because he knew the defense wouldn't give up any points.
@@jonathang8996 No that is not what I said. if you listen closely they talk about how hard the defense is playing. Any player in the NFL that plays behind a elite quarterback will play harder. So what I'm saying is it helps to have a good quarterback.
@@jonathang8996 And yes the defense is good. And you're in denial if you think players don't step up their game when they have an elite quarterback on that team.
I wish someone would go back and make a compilation of all of Shannon’s made up words or wrong usage of them 😂 love the guy lol
Shannon You used To Say Bill Bring In the Groceries well TELL HIM BRING IT THEN lmaooo Gronk Litteraly Retired TO GET AWAY From Him yet Comes Back To Play For Brady AB only Wants to Play With Brady...THEy WANT TO PLAY FOR THE GOAT
Goat? Drew brees is in new Orleans
@@504gucci4 lol stop it
@@504gucci4 drew has six rings? Lol, drew in NO is pretty damn funny tho.
Drew doesn’t even have an MVP son.
You gotta give Belichick credit for gm responsibilities too. So it’s still 50/50 in my eyes.
Also Kraft because he saved the team from relocating twice.
They were a great match but all coaches need a great qb. Look at andy reid. Finally has one
It’s clearly Tom Brady now
I legit had no idea what Shannon was trying to dispute. 😄 🤣 😂
Brady was responsible 7 rings
The fact that early in the season people were saying the Patriots were going to be just as good without TB and possibly come out of the AFC with Cam Newton is SO BLASPHEMOUS
I am South african which means I know little about the NFL but these guys are making me fall in love with the game.
I’ll say Brady gets 65% and Bill gets 35% . If Brady wasn’t the qb bill would’ve been just above average
Uncle Shay, respectively sir. The argument is closing in on you... 😂 You getting there.
It's almost like it's a team sport
lol lol lol lol
Can't believe these people were actually doubting TOM BRADY ...... crazyyy
Skip: TAMPA BAY
Jameis Winston led the league last year 5,000 yd
33 touchdowns(2nd NFL) That's the offense that Tom Brady is taking over 🤔
What else he lead the league in?
@@antoniomatthews4459 Interceptions I think...
He also threw 30 Int's and the defense was giving up more points!
The coach can be amazing but it's ultimately up to the player to execute.
I’d say Brady 53% 47%bill you need players that can play no Mayer how good of a coach you are.
Flip it but yes 👍
I HATE BRADY EVEN MORE THAN SHANNON HATES HIM BUT I'D SAY BRADY 98% EVERYBODY ELSE 2%
Hey how great is bill when corona is stopping him from spying on his competitors? Not so great now is he lol Brady been what he is now but the Patriots coach is another story
Lol what about the 52 other players on those teams.
65 brady 35 bill.
Brady had a top 10 D because you didn’t need to pay WR 10M+ to have a formidable offence
Lmao skip acting like Brady team ain’t stack.
The team was the same last year and Jameis threw 30 picks and 30 tds. They finished 7-9
While I agree the bucs are stacked, they did nothing last year. Also, you can see how badly the Pats are doing right now with basically the same offense as last year. While I think that this argument is useless, it does show the effect Brady has on a team.
See y’all be hating on people on stacked teams but when they on bad one y’all be like oh he has no weapons etc YALL ARE CONFUSING and Mahomes is on the most stacked team in the NFL so what’s the difference
Brady had the same weapons cam has this year and Brady won 12 games with those weapons (should’ve been 13, bad reffing)
Lmao the bucs are far from stacked😂😂. These are the same bucs from last year minus Brady
Let’s go Tom!!! Show em how the old guys still got game👊🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾😤😤😤
There will never be another NE dynasty (after TB12's exit) for the next generation of players; i'm willing to bet dollar for donuts on that!
Brady put Tampa from no playoffs to superbowl contenders in a few games. Mahomes put KC from a playoff team to a superbowl team. Big difference.
So we just gonna pretend these defenses and special teams and oline weren't elite?
Oline was usually elite in part because Brady can get rid of yhe ball quickly which mean oline doesn't have to block as long and also make the defense tired and easier to block
Defense was elite because Brady took pay cuts to allow Bill more cap space to maneuver and get more defensive players. Cuz Brady was doing that other players restructure their contracts also to give bill more cap space.
@lego yoda that doesn't mean anything. He could of still taken all that he was worth and more. You know damn well rich people don't like taking pay cuts... they wante every last penny especially in this sport of footballd. But having a billionaire wife means he could give Bill more cap space to work with.
Hey how great is bill when corona is stopping him from spying on his competitors? Not so great now is he lol Brady been what he is now but the Patriots coach is another story
See y’all be hating on people on stacked teams but when they on bad one y’all be like oh he has no weapons etc YALL ARE CONFUSING and Mahomes is on the most stacked team in the NFL so what’s the difference
@Lying Dogfaced Pony Soldier i didn't say it doesn't matter. I said having a rich wife doesn't mean anything relating to taking less money. Brady was taking pay cuts even before he and his wife got married. 🤦🏿♂️
It was just an extra benefit later on that he ended up with a billionaire wife. Smh
Shannon's debating skill has improved noticeably;. now he can come up with reversing arguments rather than screaming everytime
Down the road?? Really shannon? Im normally on yo side but you a hater if you think Belichick is doing anything with those trash offensive weapons and those mediocre defense next to Gilmore. Shannon you have continued to lose the Tom Brady debate he continues to prove you wrong you gotta find another person to hate on.
So your going to seat here and compare two decades worth of patriots football to 7 games?!?!? If anything its Inevitable that Bill will outlast Brady. Bill will have years to go on a prove his part while Brady has about 2 years to prove something.
@@Hp-gc1kz Not if Bill gets fired after 2-3 sub .500 seasons. He is not an all-time great coach without Brady. Brady made BB great.
@@ZoldZsolt C’mon you know how dumb sounds?? 😂😂 Im not evening going to explain why that’s stupid.
@@ZoldZsolt but anyways if Bill is nothing without Brady, what is Brady without Bill?? You can’t have one without the other 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
Shannon just reading the stats that prove his point 😂. Forgot to mention the TDs
Both are as important. Brady learned under Belichick and Belichick got carried sometimes by Brady in certain games.
Bill has a losing record without tom
@@biglez5577 Tom is a 6th round pick qb without Bill
@LeeTravius Mckay Bill is also ring-less as a head coach without Brady. Bill Pre-Brady was around 54-66 as a head coach, In New England without Tom (ACL Tear and Suspension) he's about 20-23. And don't give me the "Oh but Cassell went 10-5" because that was the only time if I'm not mistaken that they missed the playoffs. Which takes us to now, post-Brady where Belichick is 2-4. I love both, I am a fan of both but my credit is 65% at the minimum for TB12 then the rest to BB
Absolutely love how they never yell over each other or talk over each other. Just have a great debate. Stephen A and First take is good all the time. But this show is very consistent
i forgot Brady was the only one who had to do virtual OTA's
With a new team and new offense, almost.
20 years with one team too
Lots of people learnt new offences
@@beanhead2323 Bridgewater, Rivers, Newton, Herbert, Burrow. That's not A LOT, in those circumstances.
Drew lock had a new coordinator not just people who join new teams
Everytime people say Skip hate Lebron, i remind them about how much Shannon hates TB. The difference is no one hates TB other than he wins too much. There are a lot of people who hate Lebron for his attitude.
Brady 70%
Bill Belichick 30%
Patriots are 🗑 Bucs are 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Exactly 💯🙌🏾 bill didn’t even start winning until he had Brady
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Skip is the greatest lmaoooo. Haven’t even started the vid yet and I’m already laughing 😂
Shannon: "Tom Brady might be the greatest deodorant"
Me: that answers all my questions
Actually Shannon, if you break it down, bill is a losing record coach without brady. If you break it down, brady is the reason why people say bill is the best coach ever. Bill is nothing without tom brady, and it's showing for the second time in bills coaching career.
it's a team effort
@DiabolousSpiritus it's not the same Tampa team you. They started 4-2 last year. Were AB, Gronk, Fournette, Antoine Winfield there last year? Also Winston is a BAD QB but he still lead the NFL in yards.
@@jonathang8996 this team is 5-2 and will be an 11-5 team that makes the playoffs. The Brady factor is taking a team with potential at 7-9 to a potential division winner and SB contender
@@joshuawilliams7653 you know damn well any competent QB would lead the Bucs to the playoffs this year. Put Joe Burrow, Sam Darnold, or Teddy Bridgewater on this team.
@@jonathang8996 lol once again I'm hearing the anyone can do it yet Bill belicheck has a former league MVP at QB but is 2-4. Brady will never get the credit he deserves SMH.
@@joshuawilliams7653 never get the credit he deserves? Him and Bellichek literally get all the credit. No one else on those great teams gets any credit. They get way more credit than they deserve.
Sorry gotta say i agree with skip on this one...I surprised I even wrote this 🤭🤭
Bro I swear I’ve had this argument with so many Brady’s fan it’s driving me crazy. I just don’t understand how can anymore declare who was more important in just 7 games. Can we at least wait a year or two atleast. People trying to compare 2 decades to 7 games SMDH.
I'm a Patriot fan and TB fan and I agree with you.
And I even agree with some of Shannon's points.
Here's why u can compare after 7 games. You ready? Last year with the same team basically the pats were UNDEFEATED. The defense rests.
@@josephmessina1030 But this isn’t the same pats team as last year, they’ve gotten worst everywhere. The pats offense last were 25th and couldn’t score much and the defense isn’t in the top 5 nor top 10 anymore.
@@Hp-gc1kz don't forget that the Patriots had the most players opt out this year so that kind of doesn't help
NO , Y’all Hyped Up Bill Now That He’s Getting Exposed You Wanna Make Excuses .. Brady Would Never Get This If The Bucs Were Terrible .. Gtfoh ! ✌🏽
I’m not a pats or a bucs fan it is clear Tom is the goat I would give Tom 75% of the credit hands down
What I want to see is everyone to acknowledge the fact that Brady is going to be an immediate impact but a coach can only do so much in 8 weeks, a great coach sticks around making the right moves to slowly make a super bowl team. Drop Brady into the bucs offense with that defense of course he’s gonna do good.
Drop Sam Darnold on the same team and they'll be SB contenders. Even just drop Bellichek into the Bucs with a decent QB who doesnt throw 30 ints and theyll be champs. That team they have this year, is carrying Brady. Stop acting like Brady wouldn't go 2-14 on the Jets.
@@jonathang8996 I never said Brady wouldn’t do bad on another team, or that Brady is the reason for doing good on this team. I’m just trying to make the point that this belichick vs Brady conversation needs to be a until their careers are over not just this one season because of course he’s gonna do good going to a team like the bucs compared to the patriots
Last year, without any weapons, brady got the Pats to a 12-4 record and the 3 seed in the AFC. They probably would've went all the way if they were even able to keep AB on the roster. Brady is the greatest football player of all time. Possibly greatest athlete.