What does Bill Belichick's 23-23 record post Tom Brady reveal about the Pats coach? | NFL | SPEAK
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- The New England Patriots fell to AFC East rival Buffalo Bills with a 24-10 loss on Thursday Night Football. The Patriots dropped to 6-6 and fell to last place in their division. Now, while Bill Belichick has won six Super Bowls (all with Tom Brady), he is 23-23 since TB12's loss. Emmanuel Acho, Joy Taylor, LeSean McCoy and David Helman share what they learned about Belichick in a post-Brady Pats organization.
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Fat Dave is in denial
Media said years ago that bill could win with any QB now they changing the narrative 😂😂
Bro I swear they were 😭 Bill won diddly squat before TB12 and he'll win diddly squat after him. He's the NFL version of Freddie Roach. An average coach who got lucky with an all time great falling into their lap (Pacquiao).
I mean let’s be realistic here. The same fans and media never even talked about Brady….he was a 6th round pick. It’s comical how everyone suddenly “knew” he was gonna be great lol
the problem Bellichek has... he was too quick to drop Cam Newton for Mac Jones, and it came to bite Bill Bellichek in the arse.
- Steve Young learned the game 2 seasons before he took over from Joe Montana
- Patrick Mahome learned the game 1 season before he took over from Alex Smith
- Aaron Rodgers learned the game 2 seasons before he took over from Brett Favre
- Jordan Love learned the game 3 seasons and only this week is he able to even consider contemplating starting a game.
The qb that bill groomed to replace Tom has been to 2 nfc championships and a super bowl. Brady went to a stacked team and bill still had a better ranked defense than the bucs when they won the super bowl in 2020. Give bill sometime to find a qb.
@@campete8124 And Jimmy G's team still wants to replace him because he's the weak link.
It's so ironic that for years everyone said Tom Brady was a "system QB" now it's gone 180 degrees. By leaving the Pats, Brady cemented how good he is, something us Pats fans had been trying to tell everyone for years. I mean the great game plans of the Patriots led to Brady bailing the team out how many times in the 4th quarter? He was that good.
So your coach is below average
@@yeahyeahbutnah I wouldn’t say below average, I don’t think below average coaches win super bowls, but perhaps not as great as people thought. All I’m saying is Brady carried the team not Belichick. He’s still well above average, just like Andy Reid who also couldn’t win the Super Bowl without Mahomes.
@@MrChippinator andy Reid has always been far greater than average without mahomes.. belichick has been average at best w/o Brady, before and after
For the first 3ish seasons brady was more or less a system QB. And this doesn't mean Bellichick was a offensive genius, it's more that Bellichick's teams played such amazing complementary football that the offense almost never had to push the ball down the field to win, but could play very conservative exploiting mistakes and using the very good power-run game they had in the first dynasty. Brady was a better fit for this by his nature than Bledsoe which is why he got the job. Bledsoe in the early part was definitely a better ball thrower, but just from a different era of not holding on to the ball and where 30 TD's and 20 INT's was a great year because you had to push that ball down the field in all of the systems he was in. Brady became the GOAT when he could combine that discipline and dink and dunk with the ability to push the seam and deep ball threat, making his offenses totally versatile and unpredictable in picking and exploiting weaknesses.
@MrChippinator Bellichick is the greatest defensive and special teams coach of all time, hands down. He has a very conservative and myopic view of offense, and it's kind of dated currently. But no coach has consistently put together a good to best in league defense year in and out with variable levels of talent than him. There have been all time defenses that have been better than the best patriots defenses, but no coach has sustainably put together top 10 defenses and to top it off he put them together through like 3 different eras of football and rules.
People forget that Bellichick had Drew Bledsoe, a multiple pro bowler Quarterback before Tom Brady, but i believe he still had a losing record from 2000 season (5-11) and 0-2 in 2 games into 2001 season before Bledsoe got hit by Mo Lewis
This is a great point. Bledsoe was a very solid NFL QB, and Belichick's team was still struggling with him. Still giving up a lot of points on defense--allegedly Bill's specialty. And if Bledsoe doesn't get hurt, Brady never sees the field. It's not like Bill saw Brady as some raw talent and the future of the team when he drafted him. Brady was an afterthought drafted in the 6th Round as Bledsoe's backup because he fell so far in the draft and was sitting there for the Pats to get or potentially trade. Remember Belichick made his name as DC for Parcells' Jets, but Parcell's himself was a veteran and talented DC, so it's not like all of the Jets' defensive success for their title years was only because of Belichick. Parcells was a great defensive mind, too.
Didnt he only win like five games with him total????
Belichick's head coaching career was over till Brady got in.
I've made this point to people, including big time Manning fans, and they never have a legitimate answer to this. Also, when Brady got hurt and they went 11-5 people seem to forget that they were 1 win away from being an undefeated football team. That's actually a huge disparity and Matt Cassel went to the playoffs with the Chiefs just a few years later as well.
@@adecentyoutuber7407 Yep. Brady led that same team to 18 wins the prior year. Do the math, that’s a 7 win drop off just by not having Brady.
Going back to Cleveland, Belichick has a losing record without TB12. And it’s no surprise that trend is continuing. His ego is why Brady is no longer a Patriot and the organization has been paying the price for it. And what’s ironic is BB would’ve moved on from BB by now. 💯
JOE GIBBS won THREE super bowls, with three different quarterbacks, none of them Hall of famers. He always seems forgotten
Theisman was an MVP and possibly in the Hall if he doesn't break his leg.
@@TheGeorgeD13 except for that one year with the Hogs in 83, he was a bit pedestrian. I Love the Redskins and Theisman, but he was a Good quarterback, but not great.
It was a lot easier to win with bad QBs 30-40 years ago, games is 10x more reliant on passing. He’s also really old now, and his best skill (defense) is much less valuable than it used to be. I’d be curious to see how he’d do if Brady left 10 years ago.
That was in an era that all you needed was to build a good D and put monsters on the O line to run the ball and grind out games. Can’t grind down games anymore. All the new rules can’t play good defense anymore.
In the eighties it's not the same game
“Ain’t Tommy, ain’t tommy” 😂😂😂😂 I love Shady yo
BB spent 300 million this off season. More than he ever did for Brady. Brady was the offence. Brady carried many of the dead weight to championships and didn't get enough credit. BB regrets letting Brady go.
He couldn't even spend $30 million to keep Brady
Put 50 into the defense 😂😂😂
And win again
@@TeRraAwTisMlollllll
Remember when he wouldn't even pay Amendola his well deserved 10 mil! That was the beginning of the end for the patriots!
Tom brady was basically the offensive coach and bill was the defensive coach. That's basically what it was. Tom controlled the offense because he is the smartest qb ever. And bill controlled the defense because he was a defensive coordinator before. That's why they're not winning is because tom isn't there to develop and guide those guys.
Stop it 🤣 you can just say idk what I’m talking about instead of making a statement like this showing it
Tom Brady doesn’t even believe he’s the smartest QB ever he already said Peyton had a better football IQ then he did
@@mr.ridley8255 than not then
@@christopherroberts8530 that really adds to the discussion ..
@@mr.ridley8255 Manning so smart he was a horrendous 1 and out in the playoffs 9 times and once lost a Wild Card game to the N.Y Jets 41-0 😂
Lost a SB 43-8 Hahahaha
The fact that other "great coaches" where mediocre without their franchise QB, does not prove that BB is great despite being mediocre without Tom.
What it proves is how important it is to have a franchise QB. So those coaches who lucked into getting a franchise QB were able to compile great records because of it.
And they are regarded as great because they compiled those great records.
Who knows how other less regarded coaches would have fared had they too had franchise QBs.
Last 2.5 half seasons proved that he didn't do sh!t on offense in last 21 years, otherwise he would be the one who was calling plays.
His defense was a PAPER TIGER that couldn't be relied on to win 2 playoff games, couldn't be trusted in 4th quarter. You should have seen it in last 2.5 seasons.
Truth. 100%.
@@williamli6200 I agree 100%.
Im with Shady for the fact that ALOT and I mean ALOT of fans and NFL "experts" and analysts called Brady mid for mad long and only gave credit to Bill and three years later Bill aint looking Goat-ish...And Dave is right most coaches are far better with franchise caliber QBs but I personally attribute a majority of NE success to Brady
I never thought it was all belichick... Who was actually going to get fired before Brady came along.. cuz he couldn't win five games with his hundred million dollar quarterback..
Great coaches can coach and win with different players. Belichick didn't win in Cleveland and hasn't won without Tom Brady.
All I heard for the duration Brady was in New England was that if you plug in any other qb they have the same success. Well 3 years removed from Brady, which is not a small sample size at all, and they wont have a single playoff win to show for it. Now that Belichick has proved to be mediocre people are trying to move the goalposts for him. Reality of the situation is he just hasn't been able to adapt and Brady covered up Bill's flaws as an offensive mind for years and now they are getting exposed.
Shady on fire 🔥 😂😂
That was honestly a Trash take.
@@UnexpectedWonder you must be a patriot fan😂😂
@@chasetullar2732 No, I'm a Dolphins Fan, but I'm a Sports and Football Fan 1st. I'm simply as Objective as I can be.
You dickrider🤣 you actually think shady is smart in this? You’re so lost Dora can’t even find you
@@UnexpectedWonder you’re an idiot, Tua sucks too. you’re not winning a ring with him.
Hiring Matt Patricia as the offensive coordinator was Belichick idea so he has to take that blame
Joy be dropping facts. She's the gem of the show.. the one who uses logic over emotions
Joy knows nothing
What facts? lol
I mean shefine thts bout it 😆
I wonder why she's not hosting it seems dumb.
Simpletons
Brady is the best QB I have ever seen on tape. The most flawless and the most complete. The most dominant. Thats how A+ quarterbacking looks like. In the last 30 yrs really other than Peyton Manning - nobody else even comes close. Of course there was going to be a drop off. But that doesn't mean Belichick can't coach. Its just harder without the one who did it at the highest level ever.
So much for the Patriots way, I always believed it was the Tom Brady. Get him Shady
It proves what most people have said from the 1st season split. And the Goat went on to win a superbowl and the other struggled. It's all because of TB12 that the Patriots had their Dynasty. And Bill should always and for ever thank the Goat. For his status and legacy. With out Tom. Bill would be just in another Coach in the pack.
Thank you Lesean cannot agree more about what you say.
Joe Gibbs is the greatest coach in my opinion won 3 bowls with 3 different qb’s.
I’m with you Shady! That’s right, he said it!
Facts. Being a head coach is also about being able to identify players. I think Andy Reid has been a better coach for the last 20 years because he's done it with multiple guys from McNabb, Vick, Alex Smith and now Pat Mahomes and also his assistants have had more success after they left Reid then Belichick deciples.
Reid is better in the regular season and exposed in the postseason.. one super bowl win and not till mahomes???
The FACT that BB makes ALL of the Pats decisions on picking/trading/paying/coaching players, it ALL falls on him! Not ALL coaches have that much juice!
Yeah, no one gonna mention Belichicks' record before Brady's first appearance on the field in 2000s. : )
As a Patriots fan, I’ll be more optimistic when he’s gone as head coach and GM.
As much as I hate agreeing with shady I completely agree with him on this one. The only reason Bill belichick has six super bowls is because of Tom Brady.. period
So it wasn’t the complete teams and roster that complimented Tom huh lol? Just one dude and wham you get championships 🤣
@@deciuswtasby brady is the only com.on deniminator, though.
@@aaronjackson9385 those patriot fans were never complete 😂
Say what u want I watched 99% of the patriot games when Brady was there
I remember when a lot of the media people would write them off because they would say Brady had no weapons… besides gronk and moss what receiver has Brady ever had?
@@lilymikey6966 Welker and Cooks for one year. He wasnt blessed with Harrison/Wayne for 10 years like Manning. Not Rice and Taylor for 6 years. Or Moss/Carter for 4 years, Or Clayton and Duper for 10 yeard etc..
@@aaronjackson9385 What happened to wes welker after he left Brady? And Brandon cooks wasn’t that good 😂
Flip this around and in addition to Belichick, use Arians as an example. Without Brady his winning pct is .589, with Brady he posted a winning pct of .727
Slim sharing what other players are saying. Without Brady Patriots are just a regular team.
Time to be honest belichick is a great coach but it's easy to look better when you have Tom Brady winning 6 Superbowls for you and being the best football player ever to grace the field. He ran Tom Brady off because everybody loved Tom and Bill didn't want to share the fact that they were the best team ever with Tom Brady. He wanted all the praise but he had to share that with Tom and it got to the point that the Patriots wouldn't even get the best players yet Tom still made it work and go to the Superbowl and win still. Tom was the ingredient that made that team work. He's gone and has taken a team that was statistically the worse franchise in the NFL not only to a Superbowl and won but the team is respected now and Tampa can never be counted out because Tom Brady is there. Tom Brady is a savant of football. He's a football genius mind and that's how he comes back with little time and can beat teams because he can see what they are going to do when he's out there and he can change up to adjust. Mac Jones is a promising QB but he's not a replacement for Tom Brady there isn't one. That is belichick's fault. Robert Kraft tried to get Tom to stay but Tom Brady wasn't going to put up with belichick. In other words Bill ruined the dynasty by running off Tom Brady now you have to eat that.
In 2019 I remember some friends of mine arguing with me saying Tom Brady is a system quarterback and his success is all due to Bill.. lol couldn’t be more wrong..
Someone please list Shady stats vs Belicheck..... you can hear the 50 yards games in this take
he averages over 100 yards of offense... on bum teams where hes facing 8 in the box everygame. you mad emotional.
@@gameoverability1876 Brady threw for astronomical *18* times in the playoffs for over 300 yards.. Mac Jones in lame regular season games 3 times 😂
@@gameoverability1876 bum teams?
@@josephbeebe4312 yea bum teams like buffalo where he had no qb and no receivers and was seein 8 in the box just to stop him every game against every team because he was the only weapon and still produced crazy numbers. you do realize he never played the patriots when he was on the eagles right?
Belichick is a so so coach. Without Brady, he is nothing.
i think more than bill belichick the coach this is an indictment on belichick the gm i cant remember the last good offensive player he drafted since gronk and his teams r always undertalented especially on offense it but we never saw this till brady left cause brady used to make do with subpar offensive players so bill could load up the defense
Shady speaking FACTS
People forget about Don Sulu. A pure master.
who became an idiot thanks to Dan Marino.
If Sula had Brady he would have won 10 Super Bowls *Guaranteed*
@@reallifelebowski4732 and more than 1 undefeated season 💯 😂
@@reallifelebowski4732: LMFAO! "Shula" had two of the greatest QB's, and failed to win a World Championship with either of them. Coach Belichick has 8 World Championship Rings. 6 as a HC and 2 as a DC. Shula has 2 rings. Do the math.
@Chris Puchala: Shula a pure master? LMFAO!!! 🤣😂🤣
They said "in bill they trust" and they didn't need Brady
McCoy speaking absolute FACTS
You’re stupid
He really not, take away a star QB from any other team they out come would be the same if not way worse
@@ryandennis8366 yet everyone said Brady was a system QB and belichick could win with a average QB now it’s any coach losing their QB is not good? I thought he was the goat and made Brady? Hmm guess not
@@ChicoRafa_ Yeah they all said Brady was replaceable, that Bill would win with any QB and now they moved the goal post real quick LOL
@@ChicoRafa_ I mean he got to the playoffs last season with a rookie QB and this season he gotta take some blame for hiring Matt Patricia to be the OC instead of getting an OC
This is crazy! Bill beat shady too much up in Buffalo
No, Brady did. Haven't you learn from last 2.5 years? Belidiot's defense was a PAPER TIGER.
@@williamli6200 you should be drug tested. I guess paper Tiger held the rams to 3 points while the offense got 10. Show me another team winning SBs like that lol
@@deciuswtasby where was that defense against Josh Allen in the playoffs? Tom Brady was the Patriot way
no !Brady did
Tom and Bill had a symbiotic relationship… and it worked.
Andy maybe the greatest offense of mind but he literally never won until he got mahomes like no bad comparison dude always had good qb play which is offense of mind is next to none but his lack of defense was the problem
Tom Brady was the different that Shady guy played against them he makes sense this time
5:10 Shot at McCoy? Even gave him the stare.
I’m glad you put that time in, nick saban has to evolve every year but beyond that, he can’t have a Tom Brady for 18 years, he can’t have Big Ben for 15 years or rodgers for 12 years. He has to turn over at QB every 2,3-4 years
The Patriots identity is: Try to control the tempo/pace of the game, probe for weaknesses, and wait for the other team to make a mistake they can exploit. Very similar to Olympic style wrestling or professional Chess Masters at their craft. Many people find it 'boring', but it is an effective and winning style of play.
Idk you can say the same thing about Greg Popovich. A lot of people say he’s the goat when he is in a even more star driven league. You need a great player and coach to win consistently.
Never heard of that I have heard of Phil Jackson being the GOAT and Pop being top 3 never heard him be called a goat with only 5 championships to 11 that’s crazy talk 😅
@@chasetullar2732 If you've never heard of it, that means you never pay attention to the NBA.
Phil Jackson had 5 players who are all top 5 players in their respective positions in the NBA history. Pop had 1.
Pop invented his own system to implement on his team, and he drafted and developed all their players. Phil Jackson was known to work very well with superstar players, but never had any business of developing players. Triangle offense was invented by Sam Berry and developed by Tex Winters.
Just beacuse you have more championships, doesn't make you the GOAT. By your definition, Bill Russell is the GOAT of the NBA, not Michael Jordan or LeBron James.
I’m one of the people that thinks pop is the goat
Exactly. Pop, Duncan, and the Spurs parallel Bill, Brady, and the Patriots. Both 20 year dynasties that won multiple championships. Both great coaches that had the perfect best player for them, a guy that was the best leader and the perfect solider that was coachable. Other pieces came and went, you could fail on draft picks and signings, but as long as you had Duncan and Brady on your organization, you were a contender. Once they retired/left, the whole dynamics changed. The great coach was still there, but there was the void of that great leader and perfect soldier. Pop and Belichick are still great coaches, but it shows that without the great court/field general, they have their flaws, and their system doesn't work anywhere near as smoothly.
@@GameTime-yj6qv pop is twice the coach that billy th egomaniacc is,Greg is actually brilliant while belichuk is just lucky
1000 percent facts from shady Joy and acho
There are two things going on here. A) Brady walked out and Belichick was TOTALLY unprepared for it. He called Tom's bluff and Tom bolted and Bill was surprised by it. He didn't expect it. He totally expected Tom to take the below market salary offer just as he'd always done. And B) Belichick is getting OLD. Most guys, even the greatest, have not continued to coach into their 70's. He doesn't have the energy he used to have. He's not putting in the hours and the work that he was doing just 5 years ago. He doesn't go to the Combine anymore. He spent a good portion of this past offseason on his boat in Nantucket. He simply is no longer driven to win Championships. All he wants now is to surround himself with his friends and family and chase down Shula's record and, it doesn't seem he cares how much longer that takes. In his mind, he's gonna coach 10 more years. Maybe. But for the Patriot's sake, fans better hope he doesn't spend that next 10 years in New England because they are NOT getting back to a Super Bowl, let alone WIN one.
Winning in the NFL is a intricate thing. The stars all lined up when Brady went to the patriots. In my mind Tom and Bill are both amazing. And when they got together it was magic.
The stars lined up for 20 years, and then magically disappeared when Tom Brady left?😂😂😂🎉🎉
The stars were all lined up for Brady when he went to the Patriots. Then why did they have a 5-11 record in 2000? Why did they start 2001 season 0-3 if the stars were all aligned? Sounds like a lot of cloudy nights with no stars
Brady would've 10-12 SB if he had Andy Reid as his coach🖤
McCoy can go count Belichicks 8 Rings
His division opponents got better.
They really replaced Wiley w Shady McCoy 🤣😂😭
McCoy is obviously making this too personal. How come he can't name the great coaches that won without a good quarterback?
Andy reid. Nick foles. I can think of a bunch. You obviously can win with a bad qb. But you can with an average qb if youre a great coach. You cant win 6 bowls without the best qb ever to play. He literally created that offense. It well documented.
@@Rascal455 Mcvay and Shannahan both got to super bowls with Goff and Jimmy G. Saying you can't win without a top 5 guy is just an excuse people are making for Bill. Denver won a super bowl with manning playing like complete trash.
Andy Reid is the greatest offensive mind of his era like Bill Walsh was back in the 80’s/early 90’s
He’s had how many quarterbacks??? All those quarterbacks & he produces 1 ... O N E Super Bowl .... I don’t consider that some masterful achievement
Thanks for the facts
BB has never been anywhere or done anything without Brady- ever
No Tom, no win.
They love to leave out how bill drafted Jimmy G
A guy who cannot stay healthy. How many full seasons has he played?
It don’t matter when he has taken his team to the Super Bowl and nfc championship game multiple times. AND JIMMY G HAS THE 2nd MOST QB WINS SINCE HE ENTERED THE LEAGUE (2nd to Tom Brady oF course)
@@Soulo__VI I've seen his play. He isn't THAT good of a QB. He's benefited from a strong team that's been touted as possible Superbowl contenders almost every year.
How many games has he missed as a starter in SF?
The same as Tom Brady brother. Every time Tom has won a super bowl he always had a top 10 defense. Also what’s the 49ers record when Jimmy G doesn’t play?
Brady was consistently in the 14th range on pay for QB's throughout his career. He took massive paycuts in his contracts compared to what he could have asked for, so that Belichick could go out and get players. Belichick spent most of those savings on defense, while Brady had to play with whatever they brought in as an after thought.
Brady has also had one of the worst run games year in and year out as a Patriot, over any successful QB. Then there's the fact that he rarely turned the ball over, and had the most long scoring drives of any QB over his career, and how helpful it was for his defense to always be rested.
Jimmy G has done NOTHING to show he would have won any Superbowls under Belichick. Since You couldn't answer my question, I'll just give you the # of missed games since 2018 for him. Jimmy G has missed 25 games between the 2018-2021 seasons. That's a season and a half. He is fragile and cannot be expected to play a full season. Unlike Brady who outside of the 2008 season, has missed all of what, 1 game in his career?
This is the same issue coach pop at the spurs has. He is nothing without Duncan.
It also didnt help that when the patriots were drafting under bradys dominance, they were picking 30-32 in the draft. Well, what happens is teams like the bills, bengals, and chiefs were picking better talented players.
They got a horrible o-line plus receivers who struggle to gain separation. Pretty much like TB’s last year in NE
Exactly!
And Brady went 12-4 that year in a 16 game season with the worst Patriot roster of my lifetime. You think Nelson and Jonnu are bad i raise you with Demire Byrd and Asi Asi. At least we have NFL players now in 2019 that was a CFL roster Brady still won 12 games.
95% Brady 5% bill
99.99 🐐 0.01 fraudichick
It was all Tom Brady bill got lucky😮
I don’t understand how people can see those Patriot teams and think it was all Tom Brady. They won against the Rams 10-3 a few years ago. Every time Brady had to be the catalyst for the team the Patriots actually lost in the Super Bowl. Except for 28-3
Even in that game the defense had to get immediate stops to get them the ball back. He has no chance If the defense would have faltered
Well Bill was stacking his defense with BRady's money and Brady had to play with ex Qb and lacrosse players and in that Rams Sb, with Gronk on his last leg, just before retiring. He still beat the Chiefs in a high scoring game the game before. Without Brady, they don,t win against the Chiefs as Belichick D was getting torched.
Brady wasnt the catalyst in 2003? He wasnt the catalyst in 2014? That low scoring Rams Sb was preceded by a 37-31 shootout OT win at KC and 41 pts dripped on the LACs head. The only 2 Superbowls Brady didnt win MVP, his No.1 WR did. I wonder how that happened.
@@aaronjackson9385 what I’m saying is they both were key to winning during their tenure. Belichick did the heavy lifting early on with the defense and Brady did more later on as he matured
@@Jarel_317 nah. Brady was already very good in 02 and an elite MVP candidate by 03. His offense wasnt elite around him, but he already was.
Never seen a coach or gm run, catch or throw a ball. They mean nothing. That's why players get paid more
True to a degree but players don’t make game plans and surely don’t make adjustments lol
People mistake Bill Belichick's knowledge of football with being a great coach. He undoubtably is the smartest person on earth about football but that does not make him the greatest coach. people thought because of how smart he is that's why they're winning championships but it wasn't. It was Tom Brady's unbelievable talent of building up people around him and getting everyone to perform at their best. If you went to the patriots and Tom Brady was on the team, you were going to play your best. Julian Edelman, and Danny Amendola, would've been unknown players if it wasn't for Tom Brady.
Does anyone remember that Belichick won two Super Bowls as a defensive coordinator for the Giants? Or that those were two of the greatest defensive performances in the history of the Super Bowl?
Get serious. Every SB winner had a defensive coordinator and nobody with a lick of sense would say that the DC was the GOAT coach because of that.
Maybe you didn’t even read my comment. First, those two Giants teams won on the strength of their defense. Second, I did not suggest that makes him the GOAT coach. My point is simply that to question the man’s coaching credentials because he hasn’t won a SB as HC without Brady is silly. And finally, name someone in the discussion for GOAT coach that has multiple SB wins without a HOF QB.
Right fat Patricia won a Super Bowl as DC. Who cares.
Preach it Shaddy
Shady McCoy speaks the truth.
Patriots are nothing without tom brady 😂😂😂😂
Media fast to switch up on Bill lol
These guys slander belichick for not winning without hof talent but not phil jackson and popovich. 😭😭😭
The players get all the credit in the NBA. With the patriots a lot of ppl debate is more Brady or Belichick. I believe it was more Brady but together that was the best QB head coach duo
Yeah but they proven that they build other players or teams to win 🏆
@978 Cowboys Yeah, he only had Shaq and Kobe
Kobe was still a star player when he won those too .
We all know that Brady did not carry Bill. Brady’s offense led his team to the two lowest-scoring winning offenses in Super Bowl history (13pts, both against the Rams). Bill’s signing of Malcom Butler was the deciding factor that won Brady his 4th ring. Brady threw 3 INTs in an AFC Championship with the Pats and his defense was good enough to win the game despite that. It was Bill’s defense that held the Falcons scoreless in the last 18 minutes of Super Bowl 51
Belichick is 36-29 without Brady. Can't exclude the games Brady was injured and reserve QBs replaced him. Belichick is at 55.4% wins without Brady since 2001. 55.4% puts BB in the top-10 of active NFL HCs. [Source - Records of Current NFL Head Coaches, Football Database]
bill is 84 and 96 without Tom in 10 seasons with 1 playoff win and 7 losing seasons
This Sistha makes GREAT points. NO OC WTF ??????
Yes Andy had all these quarterbacks but only what 1 Super Bowl to show for it?
They forgot about that part . No super bowl wins in Philly.
It means he hasn’t found/built a viable replacement at QB. QB is very important in order to get a team into a contending position. Anything below an average QB in the NFL won’t get you past a conference championship.
I think joy was spot on
Thanks shady
Shady is SO RIGHT, good somebody said it especially with that passion, dude, felt that 🤝🙏💯
Defense has remained elite, offense still has no talent just like they did in Brady's final year. Can you name a receiver he played with in 2019? No! Brady, without talent, was average in 2019 and was clearly not himself. He knew that to hide this the only course of action was to go to an elite Bucs team with a loaded offense to cover up this. This doesn't include how his division rivals were steadily improving in Brady's final few seasons, especially the Bills who are now a juggernaut. Brady's defense has never allowed 43+ points, and in the very first playoff game the patriots played they were not only bad, but had a historic collapse and allowed 7 touchdowns. It's honestly incredible that the pats have done this well with how anemic their offense has been without competent qb play.
The should have just stayed with cam. One off season with pats would have improved his play greatly and we all know he can make a play happen.
These kids are Wild. If Tom Brady is drafted by detroit or Cleveland, is he in the league by year 5 ? Does he win anything? Come on..
Bill Belichick is the greatest defensive coach but he is a really bad GM and thus far he is proving that he doesnt know what to do in the offense without Brady.
Only Joe Gibbs can win multiple Superbowls with 3 non hof caliber quarterbacks.
The question is a bit reductive
Seems like Shady really doesn't like Dave Helman
Now I give Andy Reid edge over belichick
Tom brady made the pats bill wasnt nothing special before him and is nothing special after him
Anybody catch how Joy said "pivoting". Is that a shot at Shady "I am athlete". Maybe I'm reading too much into it.
Tom Brady is the goat
Andy reid brings the best out of his players and takes advantage of their skill sets. Bill belichick does not, mac Jones is an example. It was mostly Brady, bill just took care of the defense. Joy is right, u have to evolve to be the greatest and unfortunately for the Patriots, andy is better than bill
But Andy couldn’t beat teams in the playoffs because his “defense” was never great. Dare we forget he faced Bill with McNabb
@@deciuswtasby Andy Reids defenses from 2000-2004 were great. What are ypu talking about?? He had a top 10 scoring defense from 2019-2021 also.
No Tom or gronk. And let's not forget if the qb isn't a franchise qb how many are playing for superbowls
How are y’all comparing all these other coaches who have won 1-2 times max…. Talking about all these players that these coaches have drafted or developed but it didn’t result in championships… so it doesn’t matter.
*Whispers* "Don't let Belichick get Lamar"
When the Patriots were winning all those super bowls with Josh McDaniels and Charlie Weiss they were known to play great defense and it just the offense every week to who they play. Maybe that's what they're doing still but it won't look the same until Josh McCain's come back next year. 🤔😬😁
I love shady and his take!
2:29 DAYUM that was Alpha. Shady had a foot on his neck!
Pure dominance.
That second “I let you talk” was Shady really enjoying the dominance. Some real Bull vs c.uck stuff here.
Man, it’s a cold world.
😂😂😂
This comment funny AF but to be fair if you at work and someone does gotta valid point and you on tv you gotta let em talk.
You guys all correct discussion on Bill Belichick. Not good at all for future team of Patriot. Not like a before powerful team. Same on Robert Kraft and Bill Belichick’s.
3:55 😬 😯
They won a Super Bowl 13-3 against the Rams lol in 2018. Beat the greatest show on turf who was a 14 point favorite 20-17 in 2001. Only mustered up 14 points against the giants in 2007, losing 17-14.
Let’s not reverse engineer history and act like Belicheck hasn’t had all time coaching performances in these super bowls. Is Belicheck overrated? To a degree, yes. Still easily one of the greatest coaches ever.
Sports debates need nuance, and context. Not former players and analysts rushing to create “hot takes” that sound good, but can easily be dismantled when presented with data, context, and situational understanding of a sport’s history.