+Christopher Nagy I was thinking the same thing. Anyone with lots of winter driving experience knows that you dont mash the gas as you just spin. The Mazda starts moving when he just lets out the clutch and gives it no gas. Jeep would do the same with the same technique.
chowner I believe it is. You have a lot more control over the transmission with a manual. Having driven manuals for 10 years before my first automatic, and having driven autos in the snow since then, I know which I would prefer.
chowner Yes you can select whatever gear you want and control the clutch take up. Can not do that in an automatic, at least not to the same degree. Manual transmissions to me are much better. With an auto you are really at the mercy of the transmission and engine ECU
Where did these people learn to drive? Who jams the accelerator down and spins their tires in snow? Most savvy drivers ease the throttle to get traction. This is a totally useless comparison.
(I know this is a year old, but I just gotta say) "I even have the pedal floored, and I'm not going anywhere!" Well, yeah that's how it works! You gotta depress it very slowly to move in the snow!
Jordan Higgins He also should've started in second. Anyone who has had enough experience driving in snow, and anyone who learned ANYTHING in drivers ed, should know to start in second because first has too much torque and will spin the tires as shown.
I must say: you guys probably make the best car videos on RUclips. I love the unique and not boring style of the reviews and I love the way you integrate music into the videos. Don't change a thing and you and Nathan will keep getting subscribers.
@@scottwhitley3392 well your gonna look like a complete dumbass when I tell you they got videos where they drive and test manual cars so yeah keep talking out your ass bc there is facts to what any of what you stupid people are saying
You gotta love how he was surprised that the car was better without traction control on. Also watching that guy in the Mazda pained me. I have that same car with the 2.5l and I have only ever used bfgoodrich g force comp 2 a/s+ on it and the tires and car eat up the snow and manage the ice. I can’t imagine how easy it would be with blizzaks.
This video should be titled "An idiot drives a Jeep" I had this same vehicle with the same tires and I could have made it up that hill in two wheel drive on that road in those conditions without even trying.
@@clamfishing3795 I believe Ford still owes 10% of Mazda and in 2009 they own Mazda so no. in the Lincoln Marquis has the same engine made by American also known as it sucks. Ford and Mazda at work together for many years on a lot of different vehicles.
This made me laugh. I own a 2010 Mazda 3 grand touring s with straight shift, and have drove in the snow many times in the mountains and it does great even with all season tires. It all depends on how you drive it. I had a Jeep before my Mazda and it was definitely better but I am amazed by my Mazda
"iT dOeS gReAT iN sNoW" No, it doest just as equally shitty as every single other cheap ass fking fwd vehical absolutly nothing special about it what so ever.
Hannes Dobermann Poland :D In the North part (where I live) there is preety mild winter (maybe 1 month of snowy days) and in Southern part there is heavier winter with more cold and snowy months.
Hannes Dobermann It is nice in terms of having a winter walk outside but probably especially annoying for car drivers. That's why people from Poland decide to spend their winterbrake abroad, mostly in German, Austrian or Italian mountains (also in Czech and Slovakia or in the southern Poland). Have a nice wintertime this year and be careful on roads then! :D Greetings and Merry Christmas (soon :) )
Too bad you guys mocked this test, the idea was great but you just wasted it. The biggest problem - you don't brutalize the gas or the brake on snowy roads, you take it gentle. The melon head realized that in the end, but I don't know how many viewers reached that point in the movie without saying "ok, winter tires are just marketing crap". I congratulate you though for the greatest line: snow is not all about traction, actually is all about stopping.
As everyone has been stating it is best to not spin the tires in the snow/ice most of the time. These guys would likely have had no problems had they kept the tires from spinning by being light with throttle and clutch. The rare cases where spinning helps are where you can dig down to better traction and sometimes if the snow is very deep and you are already moving. You never should start from a stop on snowy/icy roads by spinning the tires unless you want to get stuck...
And a video like this, is why i am officially unsubbing from all your channels. This just shows your reluctance to even have basic scientific understanding of winter conditions. I cringed so hard watching this, hearing those poor engines scream and the tires just creating heat which eventually creates more ice on the roads.
Actually with some slip you can get better traction, than with no slip at all. It's called the slip ratio. TireRack did a video explaining it. I do think there was too much slip though sometimes, but one driver admitted that mellowing out helped. There was ice though under the snow at some parts too.
Thanks for the advice. We've amazed that we survived this long driving hundreds of cars each year in Colorado. It must be our mild winter climate and sunny beaches ;-)
Awesome video. You guys are always having so much fun!! I had an SUV with all-season tires, and i did alright in winter. Didn't get stuck in snow. I can only assume with winter tires, it would even be better.
Please do another test - where you compare all season tires vs. snow tires on two 4x4 SUVs as well as two 2x4 cars. You usually have some great review, but this was just plain bad.
I have a mazda 3 and it is the best front wheel car I have ever had in the snow. Haven't gotten stuck once and that is with me driving around after the blizzard in New England this year.
+NanoRay Gaming you leave out Wisconsin? I live in northern Wisconsin and I know we've got most Minnesotans beat that live in the suburbs and cities. Michigan's about the same as Wisconsin.
who cares if they don't drive well in the snow! (I thought they did and I've been driving in the snow for years). It was a mashup and meant to entertain. Great video
Wouldn't that Jeep have an automatic locking rear diff? The Mazda doesn't seem to have any LSD system, so really not a competitive test at all. That's exactly why TFLcar is useless.
I have both these cars in black, and I prefer driving the Rubicon JKU in the winter. The Jeep is just more capable and fun to drive in these terrains, plus I have it in stick shift. The Mazda 3 is my commuter car, so I like them both for their own proper uses. It takes some skill to drive any one of these cars in the snow, and being light on the gas is key.
Pull off in Gear 2 instead of 1 on the Mazda, and drive it either in gear 3-4 when at a stable speed. It will reduce revs and make it easier to control with + reduce wheel spinning. Man I can smell the clutch from here.....
Thank you! You two are great at this stuff. You guys helped my buy a 2013 gl 450. The mash up review with the Lexus gx was really cool. You should do them more often!
I think you mean that you tried to make it as unfair a contest as possible by picking a (default) RWD vehicle that has 4WD but choosing not to make use of it, then further unfair by choosing to put snow tires on the FWD car but not on the SUV, then choosing to test in snow that's not very deep at all. The only way you could have made it even more "fair" is if the SUV was towing a boat behind it, full of bricks. In reverse. lol.
Stinky Cheese certainly living up to the name Stinky Cheese there ;) they did say that their intent of this test wasn't to be empirically equal and fair, but to just bring two random cars they had on hand and just compare.
Evgeni Sibirkin Yes, a deliberately unfair test to unscientifically make an invalid point. Go team! Now back to reality. If you live where this matters you'd be an idiot not to pick a suitable vehicle too.
That was a good little video and thank you for saying you did it wrong. Tires make a bigger difference than you would believe. My buddy got a WRX to replace his accord for ski trips. his first time to my cabin he had to chain it up to make it up my driveway. The next time he came up with new snow tires and could stop and restart at the steepest point of the driveway with no tire spin. Practice snow driving and if you are not comfortable move over because i'm coming around.
Winter tyres do WORK. But I will never forget the day when I got stuck with a German army jeep, with extra high winter profile tyres, snow chains on all four wheels, all diffs engaged. And then a local farmer drove by with his Volkswagen Jetta with winter tyres, o sweat. Tyres are important, but the driver does it.
4 wheel drive has a set split for power to the front and rear and can usually be selected via a button or a lever, All wheel drive has the ability to send more power to either the front or the rear with the ability to send 100% of the power to either the front or the rear but not always both.
No, they did not. If they did they would know how to drive in mud. Doing what they did would get you stuck in mud. Also every experienced off roader has told me that you keep traction control on while in snow because it can go from "I'm getting a little traction" to "I'm sliding off a cliff" very quickly.
I took a Chicago winter in a 1970 Dodge Dart in M+S tires, manual steering and manual brakes, it was the best winter I ever had, IMHO better than many modern cars....
To be frank, he didn't give that jeep a fighting chance. He just goosed it from the start, and if he knew anything about driving in adverse conditions especially snow, slower starts, lower rpms, more torque being applied is the way to go. Slamming on the go pedal digs you in, gets you stuck and all you've accomplished is making a whole lot of noise while going absolutely nowhere.
Right, I actually posted the comment before that part ;). Still - many people doesn't realize that so it was a good thing to have a comparison in the video. Thanks for the response anyway and take care.
Hahaha good thing these guys don't live in Canada and have to see a REAL winter, they wouldn't be able to drive anywhere whether they had winter tires or not!
Blizzaks are amazing tires had them on my 90 CRX si. By the way starting off in 1st gear on a stick car on a slope in the snow on ice doesn't always work. Sometimes you need to start in second gear in bad cases maybe even 3rd. SPEED KILLS in the snow and once you get your momentum its important to stay steady and don't stop unless you have to.
4wd is typically offered on heavier vehicles as it is a stronger more durable system. Typically it comes with a hi/low transfer case and part time operation. When engaged it splits torque 50/50 AWD often times uses a clutch based system to transfer torque appropriately when there are differences in wheel speeds fr/rear generally these systems have limitations, but they can be just as effective or more effective than what you'd find in a true 4wd.
In a way, this mash-up makes sense. Many people buy AWD or 4-wheel-drive thinking they absolutely need it. You may be surprised that you can actually get along with FWD.
Super entertaining guys!!! Looks like so much fun. If you want to go uphill in a fwd car, drive up in reverse, the weight then shifts to the front wheels and helps with grip
I used to drive a '99 Silverado 1500 Z71 4x4 with BFG All terrains and 7 60lb sandbags in the bed. Thing was great in the snow but lacked the ability to quickly stop. I now drive a '97 Geo Prizm and I have General Altimax Arctic studded snow tires on it. It is arguably better in the snow than my Silverado was, and stops much quicker. I would've loved to run the same tires on the Silverado and see how they performed, but she's been gone for several months now.
It almost seems like they were on different sections of the road for each test. When the Jeep started out, you could hear and see a difference once the tires wore passed the snow layer. It looked dark and dirty, rather than the glassy-looking surface with the Mazda. It also sounded "gritty" compared to the Mazda test... I would've liked to see them redo the Mazda test, without the "crappy" situation the car was in to begin with.
Both Jeep and Mazda are front-mounted engine layout. Mazda is front-wheel drive, it got more traction (most of mass of Mazda located in the front) than Jeep, despite it started from the hill. So, Jeep using rear-wheel is like pushing the car, Mazda is more like pulling the car.
feel free to search for "Christmas Eve snow drive on Firestone Winterforce tires" where I drive along on fresh snow, in Canada, behind a Jeep Wrangler. A good place to be when snow is falling is behind a Jeep Wrangler as they tend to make a bit of a path. Also, in places where there will be snow, and ice, and lots of it, like Canada, or Switzerland and Norway, one *must* have snow tires. In fact, in some regions of Canada, it is the law.
One thing to note about the JK, is the stability control is actually a really nice thing to have turned on (That button isnt just traction control, its the Electronic Stability Program). In 4wd, it actually makes a huge difference unless you are in really deep snow, then its better to have it off. I know it has saved me a few times in my '08 going down steep hills in the snow.
Tip from Canada. Keep it simple, get some AT tires with a bit of chunk and lots of sipping. I believe Firestone Destination AT,s are pretty good. 4x4 will make you go, and stick will help you stop as you downshift while breaking. Use common sense, throttle your break pressure or your acceleration. If you hammer on the gas or break like these guys, you'll be in the ditch or worse. Give yourself lots of time, space and stay under the speed limit. That's it. 50% tires, 50% driver.
You, like me, seem to have a Jeep. If I can give you any advice, I'd say if/when you ever get around to wheeling, attempt applying a bit of pressure on the brake pedal when your tires begin to spin up, assuming you have an open front/rear diff. The added brake pressure actually causes both wheels to keep spinning due to the resistance against the diff. Otherwise, one tire will spin while the other sits still and you lose all forward momentum. Seriously, give it a try. You might be surprised.
Take a trip to Scandinavia in the wintertime and take part in some tire testing here. Snow/winter tires is a science in itself. There are different tires for different temperatures and snow levels. E.G. Norway and Sweden and Finland often have a softer tire mix then Denmark or Germany. And when you test winter tires, STOPPING is the first thing you test, than second you test grip, horizontal and lateral. If you have the time, testing grip on a wet surface.
Good comparison of the snowtires vs terrible stock tires. Put a set of Duratracs on that jeep and it'll climb that hill in 2wd! It would be interesting to see that jeep with same snow tires, I bet in that bit of snow the mazda would still make it further... Nice video. I have watched quite a few of you vids now!
I've been driving & racing in Canadian winters for 30 years and with a manual I don't find starting in 2nd helps. With an auto, 2nd helps if driver is too heavy with throttle. With a manual I like to idle engine and ease out the clutch trying not to spin. If a tire spins and car stops, I immediately hold with brakes, switch between 1st/reverse, drag the clutch and suddenly release the brakes. Repeat, trying to move back and forth without spinning and eventually drive off without spinning.
Fun video , but yes they did mash the throttle . He does mention hitting the throttle when he came back from putting the Mazda passed the Jeep. To do this right , they should have just hit the throttle gently and the result may have been a little different. I highly recommend snow tires. !!! Braking is improved in the snow.
My Chevy Express AWD with Blizzaks could climb any grade in WV. They really are fantastic tires for the snow. Also, because of their deep lugs, they are great for wet-weather driving with little chance of hydroplaning. I ran a set 24/7/365 and got around 20,000 miles out of them before replacement. They do wear badly in the Summer, due to the soft compound rubber, so consider separate winter/summer wheel sets. I'm looking for a junkyard set of aluminum wheels now to mount Blizzaks for the next few months.
At first i wondered, why? why is there so many dislikes? But then sure enough i saw their attempt at winter driving. Apparently I've been doing it wrong. When in snow just floor it. Works so well.
I would say that NOT flooring the gas and peeling out, just might make both tires or either vehicle, have much more desirable results in the snow.
+Christopher Nagy I was thinking the same thing. Anyone with lots of winter driving experience knows that you dont mash the gas as you just spin. The Mazda starts moving when he just lets out the clutch and gives it no gas. Jeep would do the same with the same technique.
1. A stick shift is an advantage in snow if you know how to drive in it.
2. They are both way too heavy footed for snow driving.
No , no it is not
chowner I believe it is. You have a lot more control over the transmission with a manual. Having driven manuals for 10 years before my first automatic, and having driven autos in the snow since then, I know which I would prefer.
You control the transmission?
chowner Yes you can select whatever gear you want and control the clutch take up. Can not do that in an automatic, at least not to the same degree.
Manual transmissions to me are much better. With an auto you are really at the mercy of the transmission and engine ECU
zombies
Their winter driving was so bad that it actually brought a smile to my face
Where did these people learn to drive? Who jams the accelerator down and spins their tires in snow? Most savvy drivers ease the throttle to get traction. This is a totally useless comparison.
Poor winter driving skills. No amount of "traction control" will help you guys.
+Jordan Higgins traction control isn't designed for winter driving
+Jordan Higgins Zero driving skills.
you are so right,how did these guys get any views
(I know this is a year old, but I just gotta say) "I even have the pedal floored, and I'm not going anywhere!" Well, yeah that's how it works! You gotta depress it very slowly to move in the snow!
Jordan Higgins He also should've started in second. Anyone who has had enough experience driving in snow, and anyone who learned ANYTHING in drivers ed, should know to start in second because first has too much torque and will spin the tires as shown.
I must say: you guys probably make the best car videos on RUclips. I love the unique and not boring style of the reviews and I love the way you integrate music into the videos. Don't change a thing and you and Nathan will keep getting subscribers.
I appreciate that you guys are having fun, but you have no idea how to drive in snow.
Are you telling me you don’t always immediately floor it in the snow?!? 😮
I was about to comment the same 😂😂
You can actually tell he doesn’t know how drive a manual car either. If he had simply set the gas and the bit: point properly he would have moved off.
@@scottwhitley3392 well your gonna look like a complete dumbass when I tell you they got videos where they drive and test manual cars so yeah keep talking out your ass bc there is facts to what any of what you stupid people are saying
You gotta love how he was surprised that the car was better without traction control on. Also watching that guy in the Mazda pained me. I have that same car with the 2.5l and I have only ever used bfgoodrich g force comp 2 a/s+ on it and the tires and car eat up the snow and manage the ice. I can’t imagine how easy it would be with blizzaks.
These guy are pretty awful winter drivers
Jason Allison just the fact that they made a video comparing a Mazda to jeep in winter driving shows that lol!
This video should be titled "An idiot drives a Jeep" I had this same vehicle with the same tires and I could have made it up that hill in two wheel drive on that road in those conditions without even trying.
Or better "An idiot driving a Jeep and a Mazda 3..."
why make vids, when you could not drive even on a dry highway, amazing your still alive
The problem here isn't the Mazda with FWD, it's the american behind the wheel.
I can drive a fwd through snow no problem . Turning is quite fun for using the e-brake
You do know that Mazda is Ford specially at 2013. So it's a American car.
@@republicansareoffendedeasi821 mazda is independent of ford, entirely.
@@clamfishing3795 I believe Ford still owes 10% of Mazda and in 2009 they own Mazda so no. in the Lincoln Marquis has the same engine made by American also known as it sucks. Ford and Mazda at work together for many years on a lot of different vehicles.
@@republicansareoffendedeasi821 ford sold all their shares of mazda in 2015, but in the context of this 2013 mazda you're right
These guys cannot drive! why use high revs!? gez
Yeah, it does help if you have a clue HOW to drive in snow.
He did that on purpose he said that
Giantsasquatch_GamingHD 14 no he didn't..
Londons Finest ok watch it again at the end of the video he said so.
gary63693 b
Man, how i love driving in conditions like this.
Not far using some guy from California to drive in snow.
also you can't just "floor it" there is some amount of skill you need to drive in ice and snow.
This is the worst snow driving i have ever seen...really? gas to the floor when trying to set off on snow?
Life is a movie to some people.
This made me laugh. I own a 2010 Mazda 3 grand touring s with straight shift, and have drove in the snow many times in the mountains and it does great even with all season tires. It all depends on how you drive it. I had a Jeep before my Mazda and it was definitely better but I am amazed by my Mazda
"iT dOeS gReAT iN sNoW"
No, it doest just as equally shitty as every single other cheap ass fking fwd vehical absolutly nothing special about it what so ever.
And thats why we europeans dont use all season tires on any car.
+Hannes Dobermann Im European and my dad is and both of us are using all season tires. Probably thats because we have really mild winters ;p
ok... Where are you from?
Spain?
Hannes Dobermann Poland :D In the North part (where I live) there is preety mild winter (maybe 1 month of snowy days) and in Southern part there is heavier winter with more cold and snowy months.
ok.. Im from germany and we have heavy snowfall in all parts. Only in Cologne and Düsseldorf has no snow...
Hannes Dobermann It is nice in terms of having a winter walk outside but probably especially annoying for car drivers. That's why people from Poland decide to spend their winterbrake abroad, mostly in German, Austrian or Italian mountains (also in Czech and Slovakia or in the southern Poland). Have a nice wintertime this year and be careful on roads then! :D Greetings and Merry Christmas (soon :) )
I've been driving in the snow for 5 years now, and NEVER had a problem witha two wheel drive.
yep, until i tried my mustang in -20F heavy snow one day.
thats why you don't drive higher power cars in the winter, without proper tires. Plus automatics Suck
MP emoKiba automatics are not bad in winter.
My lil 2009 mazda 3 did wonderfully in the snow with yk580s.... No traction control No anything just ABS... absolutely great!
I'm a bit concerned at how much gas he was giving the jeep early without TC on
Just ignore the negativity guys. Your videos are still 100000 times better than most.
Guys, first learn to drive in snow & then try to make reasonable comparisons! ...yes, PRIMITIVE! :P
I had a Mazda 3 with regular all season tires and it did excellent when we had deep snow years back in north Carolina
Too bad you guys mocked this test, the idea was great but you just wasted it.
The biggest problem - you don't brutalize the gas or the brake on snowy roads, you take it gentle. The melon head realized that in the end, but I don't know how many viewers reached that point in the movie without saying "ok, winter tires are just marketing crap".
I congratulate you though for the greatest line: snow is not all about traction, actually is all about stopping.
The best argument for STUDDED tires I've seen on here. If either of the vehicles had studded tires, there would've been no problems.
Nathan wearing a Saab shirt, YAY! *does happy dance* :)
As everyone has been stating it is best to not spin the tires in the snow/ice most of the time. These guys would likely have had no problems had they kept the tires from spinning by being light with throttle and clutch. The rare cases where spinning helps are where you can dig down to better traction and sometimes if the snow is very deep and you are already moving. You never should start from a stop on snowy/icy roads by spinning the tires unless you want to get stuck...
And a video like this, is why i am officially unsubbing from all your channels. This just shows your reluctance to even have basic scientific understanding of winter conditions. I cringed so hard watching this, hearing those poor engines scream and the tires just creating heat which eventually creates more ice on the roads.
first of all the ice on the road that they have there are theirs. and 1 person unsubscribe from them is nkthing
+VlogMuchOnly14 one out and one that never ever even think about to subscribe, me.. this is ridiculus..
Bye and don't let the door hit you on the way out, idiot.
Your so edgy
Actually with some slip you can get better traction, than with no slip at all. It's called the slip ratio. TireRack did a video explaining it. I do think there was too much slip though sometimes, but one driver admitted that mellowing out helped. There was ice though under the snow at some parts too.
Thanks for the advice. We've amazed that we survived this long driving hundreds of cars each year in Colorado. It must be our mild winter climate and sunny beaches ;-)
Awesome video. You guys are always having so much fun!! I had an SUV with all-season tires, and i did alright in winter. Didn't get stuck in snow. I can only assume with winter tires, it would even be better.
Please do another test - where you compare all season tires vs. snow tires on two 4x4 SUVs as well as two 2x4 cars.
You usually have some great review, but this was just plain bad.
Watching in October 2018 because you guys got the first snow of winter 2018 a few days ago, and this video rocks!
And the Subaru quietly drives past with no drama :)
I have a mazda 3 and it is the best front wheel car I have ever had in the snow. Haven't gotten stuck once and that is with me driving around after the blizzard in New England this year.
You sure as shit don't floor the thing in snow. You guys are smarter than this!
+Larry “Dexter Desert” Richelli Lol get some Michigan or Minnesota drivers out there, teach those dumbasses how to drive
+NanoRay Gaming you leave out Wisconsin? I live in northern Wisconsin and I know we've got most Minnesotans beat that live in the suburbs and cities. Michigan's about the same as Wisconsin.
+Still Flame lol yah
who cares if they don't drive well in the snow! (I thought they did and I've been driving in the snow for years). It was a mashup and meant to entertain. Great video
Wouldn't that Jeep have an automatic locking rear diff? The Mazda doesn't seem to have any LSD system, so really not a competitive test at all. That's exactly why TFLcar is useless.
Wait... Mazda3 does not compete with the Jeep Wrangler? Oops ... :)
Even the number of driven wheels isn't the same, even in 2WD with the Jeep. Terrible driving and terrible comparison.
It's not a rubicon so no it doesn't have locking diff
+The Fast Lane Car People seem to not be able to grasp the points of videos. Keep doing what you're doing, guys.
+NanoRay Gaming I read your comment in my best Sheldon Cooper imitation. Bazinga
I have both these cars in black, and I prefer driving the Rubicon JKU in the winter. The Jeep is just more capable and fun to drive in these terrains, plus I have it in stick shift. The Mazda 3 is my commuter car, so I like them both for their own proper uses. It takes some skill to drive any one of these cars in the snow, and being light on the gas is key.
Pull off in Gear 2 instead of 1 on the Mazda, and drive it either in gear 3-4 when at a stable speed. It will reduce revs and make it easier to control with + reduce wheel spinning. Man I can smell the clutch from here.....
nah u smell the clutch from pulling off in gear 2 LOL you should be able to control your rev's in gear 1 if you are a good driver
Thank you! You two are great at this stuff. You guys helped my buy a 2013 gl 450. The mash up review with the Lexus gx was really cool. You should do them more often!
I think you mean that you tried to make it as unfair a contest as possible by picking a (default) RWD vehicle that has 4WD but choosing not to make use of it, then further unfair by choosing to put snow tires on the FWD car but not on the SUV, then choosing to test in snow that's not very deep at all.
The only way you could have made it even more "fair" is if the SUV was towing a boat behind it, full of bricks. In reverse. lol.
Stinky Cheese certainly living up to the name Stinky Cheese there ;) they did say that their intent of this test wasn't to be empirically equal and fair, but to just bring two random cars they had on hand and just compare.
Evgeni Sibirkin
Yes, a deliberately unfair test to unscientifically make an invalid point. Go team!
Now back to reality. If you live where this matters you'd be an idiot not to pick a suitable vehicle too.
That was a good little video and thank you for saying you did it wrong. Tires make a bigger difference than you would believe. My buddy got a WRX to replace his accord for ski trips. his first time to my cabin he had to chain it up to make it up my driveway. The next time he came up with new snow tires and could stop and restart at the steepest point of the driveway with no tire spin.
Practice snow driving and if you are not comfortable move over because i'm coming around.
why would you gun it....... are you new to driving?
Never been to Gold Mine Hill,but I did visit Castle Rock, back in July of 2015,and loved it. Snow and cold ,I could get accustomed to.
i see alot of hateful comments, i like your videos they amuse me & put me in a good mood so thankyou!
If you can't see why then you're most likely an equally horrid driver.
Winter tyres do WORK.
But I will never forget the day when I got stuck with a German army jeep, with extra high winter profile tyres, snow chains on all four wheels, all diffs engaged. And then a local farmer drove by with his Volkswagen Jetta with winter tyres, o sweat.
Tyres are important, but the driver does it.
8:02 is that like, a government Dodge Ram that just drove past you?
I think it is a state owned vehicle.
4 wheel drive has a set split for power to the front and rear and can usually be selected via a button or a lever, All wheel drive has the ability to send more power to either the front or the rear with the ability to send 100% of the power to either the front or the rear but not always both.
why the f are you flooring it....
i think the main objective when going thru snow and ice is to retain as little traction as possible... lelz
Azureecosse They said there was ice under the snow, in which case, flooring it doesn't help them at all.
What do you think that traction control does? How well did that work?
That was some terrible driving.. i am so angry with this video. I like other stuff from those guys.. but this ..
Man! This vid reminded me when i used to do pizza deliveries in my 2000 integra with snow tires here in Ny. That lil car was amazing in the snow.
Did the grow up in Florida?!
No, they did not. If they did they would know how to drive in mud. Doing what they did would get you stuck in mud. Also every experienced off roader has told me that you keep traction control on while in snow because it can go from "I'm getting a little traction" to "I'm sliding off a cliff" very quickly.
I took a Chicago winter in a 1970 Dodge Dart in M+S tires, manual steering and manual brakes, it was the best winter I ever had, IMHO better than many modern cars....
I would enjoy an episode about what the hosts of TFL drive daily and why they chose those vehicles.
To be frank, he didn't give that jeep a fighting chance. He just goosed it from the start, and if he knew anything about driving in adverse conditions especially snow, slower starts, lower rpms, more torque being applied is the way to go. Slamming on the go pedal digs you in, gets you stuck and all you've accomplished is making a whole lot of noise while going absolutely nowhere.
pretty sure at around 55 seconds in when the jeep skids to a stop, at the last second you can see oil dripping from underneath lol
Right, I actually posted the comment before that part ;). Still - many people doesn't realize that so it was a good thing to have a comparison in the video. Thanks for the response anyway and take care.
Hahaha good thing these guys don't live in Canada and have to see a REAL winter, they wouldn't be able to drive anywhere whether they had winter tires or not!
Now that's fun!
Cool video guys... Saying hi from Australia!!
Very bad winter driving skills. Your not supposed to floor it, so fail.
chains work good too. i d recommend v bar studded chains for the packed snow and ice.
these guys cant drive
Blizzaks are amazing tires had them on my 90 CRX si. By the way starting off in 1st gear on a stick car on a slope in the snow on ice doesn't always work. Sometimes you need to start in second gear in bad cases maybe even 3rd. SPEED KILLS in the snow and once you get your momentum its important to stay steady and don't stop unless you have to.
mumblegrumblegrrrreehhhrrrIt has snow tires. It will be good.
4wd is typically offered on heavier vehicles as it is a stronger more durable system. Typically it comes with a hi/low transfer case and part time operation. When engaged it splits torque 50/50
AWD often times uses a clutch based system to transfer torque appropriately when there are differences in wheel speeds fr/rear generally these systems have limitations, but they can be just as effective or more effective than what you'd find in a true 4wd.
Don`t touch car anymore!You are ridiculous!
In a way, this mash-up makes sense. Many people buy AWD or 4-wheel-drive thinking they absolutely need it. You may be surprised that you can actually get along with FWD.
You guys now nothing about traction.
Steven Becker *know
Super entertaining guys!!! Looks like so much fun. If you want to go uphill in a fwd car, drive up in reverse, the weight then shifts to the front wheels and helps with grip
these guys are pathetic winter drivers. Yeah keep flooring it. Or you can put her in second and tap the gas.
Love these test. You guys have fun with it and that is what makes it entertaining
That subaru did the best lol
I have those blizzaks on my 2007 Volvo XC70. Let me just say, it's unstoppable. It's a perfect back country car for northern NH
kinda a waste of time to have a comparison test with a fucking 4wd jeep vs a 2wd car...
then i take back my comment thank you for correcting me
ben Simcox except that it's comparing RWD to FWD...two different worlds.
bryantcasey87 thats the point....
Nice shirt, Nathan, Saabs rule!
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I used to drive a '99 Silverado 1500 Z71 4x4 with BFG All terrains and 7 60lb sandbags in the bed. Thing was great in the snow but lacked the ability to quickly stop. I now drive a '97 Geo Prizm and I have General Altimax Arctic studded snow tires on it. It is arguably better in the snow than my Silverado was, and stops much quicker. I would've loved to run the same tires on the Silverado and see how they performed, but she's been gone for several months now.
I have these same tires on my van and car on 2nd set of rims for winter and yes they make a big difference.
Love y'alls videos!! informative, funny and entertaining all the time. Long live the true 4x4 with low range.
It almost seems like they were on different sections of the road for each test. When the Jeep started out, you could hear and see a difference once the tires wore passed the snow layer. It looked dark and dirty, rather than the glassy-looking surface with the Mazda. It also sounded "gritty" compared to the Mazda test...
I would've liked to see them redo the Mazda test, without the "crappy" situation the car was in to begin with.
Both Jeep and Mazda are front-mounted engine layout.
Mazda is front-wheel drive, it got more traction (most of mass of Mazda
located in the front) than Jeep, despite it started from the hill.
So, Jeep using rear-wheel is like pushing the car,
Mazda is more like pulling the car.
feel free to search for "Christmas Eve snow drive on Firestone Winterforce tires" where I drive along on fresh snow, in Canada, behind a Jeep Wrangler. A good place to be when snow is falling is behind a Jeep Wrangler as they tend to make a bit of a path. Also, in places where there will be snow, and ice, and lots of it, like Canada, or Switzerland and Norway, one *must* have snow tires. In fact, in some regions of Canada, it is the law.
One thing to note about the JK, is the stability control is actually a really nice thing to have turned on (That button isnt just traction control, its the Electronic Stability Program).
In 4wd, it actually makes a huge difference unless you are in really deep snow, then its better to have it off. I know it has saved me a few times in my '08 going down steep hills in the snow.
loved the third gen outback cameo - obviously not a problem heh
I can know one thing from watching this video! All Canadians are laughing at it!
My 2004 vw jetta i use to have with all seasons, always made it through the snow no problem.
Tip from Canada. Keep it simple, get some AT tires with a bit of chunk and lots of sipping. I believe Firestone Destination AT,s are pretty good. 4x4 will make you go, and stick will help you stop as you downshift while breaking. Use common sense, throttle your break pressure or your acceleration. If you hammer on the gas or break like these guys, you'll be in the ditch or worse. Give yourself lots of time, space and stay under the speed limit. That's it. 50% tires, 50% driver.
You, like me, seem to have a Jeep. If I can give you any advice, I'd say if/when you ever get around to wheeling, attempt applying a bit of pressure on the brake pedal when your tires begin to spin up, assuming you have an open front/rear diff. The added brake pressure actually causes both wheels to keep spinning due to the resistance against the diff. Otherwise, one tire will spin while the other sits still and you lose all forward momentum. Seriously, give it a try. You might be surprised.
Traction control has never got me out of trouble. My right foot skills have.
I saw this compares on Tirerack a good six or year years ago! Snow tires win out over AWD without snow tires!
Take a trip to Scandinavia in the wintertime and take part in some tire testing here. Snow/winter tires is a science in itself. There are different tires for different temperatures and snow levels. E.G. Norway and Sweden and Finland often have a softer tire mix then Denmark or Germany.
And when you test winter tires, STOPPING is the first thing you test, than second you test grip, horizontal and lateral. If you have the time, testing grip on a wet surface.
Good comparison of the snowtires vs terrible stock tires. Put a set of Duratracs on that jeep and it'll climb that hill in 2wd! It would be interesting to see that jeep with same snow tires, I bet in that bit of snow the mazda would still make it further... Nice video. I have watched quite a few of you vids now!
I've been driving & racing in Canadian winters for 30 years and with a manual I don't find starting in 2nd helps. With an auto, 2nd helps if driver is too heavy with throttle.
With a manual I like to idle engine and ease out the clutch trying not to spin. If a tire spins and car stops, I immediately hold with brakes, switch between 1st/reverse, drag the clutch and suddenly release the brakes. Repeat, trying to move back and forth without spinning and eventually drive off without spinning.
Fun video , but yes they did mash the throttle . He does mention hitting the throttle when he came back from putting the Mazda passed the Jeep. To do this right , they should have just hit the throttle gently and the result may have been a little different. I highly recommend snow tires. !!! Braking is improved in the snow.
You guys are awesome. Yes not a real test but fun to watch. Own a 10A rubicon and a 991Cab S
My Chevy Express AWD with Blizzaks could climb any grade in WV. They really are fantastic tires for the snow. Also, because of their deep lugs, they are great for wet-weather driving with little chance of hydroplaning. I ran a set 24/7/365 and got around 20,000 miles out of them before replacement. They do wear badly in the Summer, due to the soft compound rubber, so consider separate winter/summer wheel sets. I'm looking for a junkyard set of aluminum wheels now to mount Blizzaks for the next few months.
At first i wondered, why? why is there so many dislikes? But then sure enough i saw their attempt at winter driving. Apparently I've been doing it wrong. When in snow just floor it. Works so well.