OLD JEM VS NEW KIESEL
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- Which guitar did you prefer the sound of? I think it's obvious which is my preference, but damn that old Ibanez has some mojo. Get a new lesson every week on schoolofmcrock...
The guitars compared in this video are:
Late 80's Ibanez JEM (JEM 77FP) VS a Kiesel DC600.
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0.00 Intro
2:35 About my tones
7:02 Head 2 Head CHUGS
12:13 Trem comparison
13:42 Clean splits comparison
18:10 Low gain comparison
23:42 Octaver comparison
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Really fascinating to hear this. The Jem had layers of complexity and harmonic richness that left the more contemporary guitar in the dust.
It's the DiMarzio pickups
@@jefflitchfield4950 exactly!
@@jefflitchfield4950 it might actually be the pots and capacitors Ibanez used.
I have a 93' RG450 with the Ibanez V1 S1 V2 pickups and it sounds so similar.
And even if you put the same Dimarzio Evolutions on a different guitar you won't get the sound.
yep I get the same thing on my RG550 Genesis. I swapped out the stock pickups for a DiMarzio X2N (bridge) and air norton (neck) and you will catch harmoics by just holding a note on high G B E strings (plain unwound strings). It's unbelievable...the DiMarzio pickups really are the best passive pickups on the market and I can say that with 100% certainty because I have 22 guitars and they all have Seymour Duncan, DiMarzio or Fishman pickups and only the Dimarzios catch harmonics by just sustaining a note.
the passive pickups in split and magnificent. prolly my fav prod. guitar ever made... and THE CASE SMELL of those gems were great lol.
The Jem has endured many battles over the years. It's a bit unfair to send her into a fight against such a modern machine now. But nonetheless, she is still holding up very bravely against the Kiesel. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Absolutely she’s not quite done yet haha.
I personally prefer the sound of a lower output pickup like the Dimarzio with the amp doing more work gain wise, so its Jem for me
I think the Jem has a more natural, organic and 'woody' clean sound; the bridge pickup's magnets have probably died, though. Stick an Iron Gear 'Hot Slag' HB in there and see what you think :) The Kiesel may have more clarity, but it sounds more clinical and distinctly less emotive / expressive to me.
OMG.... THAT JEM THOUGH. uhhhh beautiful playing too.
I love your playing. ❤
The Jem has soul. The Keisel just sounds like something contemporary.
Yeah I had an RG550 and it felt so much funner than the Kiesel's I've had even with the Kiesels having different pickups
Couldn’t agree more. I haven’t own a Kiesel yet. But it seems that the Ibanez overshadows any Kiesel in so many ways. I always end up with an Ibanez.
@@669rd you gotta try one. They are the best feeling guitars ever
Well I hear the Jem as a little more organic, a wee bit warmer. The Fishman sounds good, great even but a little sterile. Strangely the exact same thing you could say about the Jem 30 years ago though, times change!
I don't know if I'm old or because I've seen you grow up with that JEM and I've become a sentimental fool, but that JEM stirred my soul more than the Kiesel.
JEM just sounds more airy. Which I prefer.
I have a JEM from the late 90's. It has been well played. One thing remarkable about it is its intonation - it seems to stay in tune really well. For example, I took it out of its case the other day after maybe 2 years of not playing (I prefer more "traditional" guitars these days), I strummed an E chord, and the thing was perfectly in tune.
Two great guitars, but Jem’s mojo is insane imho
A lot of your heavy patches sound immense, and 3D. Sounds dual passed and hard panned, and Micropitched at times, all together. A very 6L6/V30 vibe. Love the cleans too, a very preamp-direct sound especially with comp. The stutter always makes me smile, uniquely you, Thomas. So many great alternates too, the acoustic Kiesel is charming, that is a guitar I want to own. Ibanez Jem sounds like my Universe, which is an odd one for sure. I always figured it was perfectly named, another universe of sounds. Way different. You get a lot of these questions every stream, which I watch live or just after (depending on wife’s schedule). 😊 A good FAQ video. As always 👍
appreciate it Jim thank you buddy.
The DiMarzio pickups sound better to me
you put so much efforts into details in video and sound outcome it s mindblowing, + the level of playing, this whole project deserve more visibility
Old Jem! 🤘🏻
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I appreciate Ibanez, but I'm just a sucker for Kiesel. Their build quality is normally something you only get for twice their price. I have a sub-2000 dollar Vanquish with a build quality I would normally be able to get on guitars over 3000 dollars. That and I get to choose my colors, woods and my beloved 12 inch radius lol
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I love that Jem. My dream guitar. I hope one day I can afford one. The tones in this video (of both guitars) are just amazing.
That Jem sounds amazing!!!! Thanks for this video!!!!
I’m so different!!!
I like:
ESP, Aristides, neck through, Fishman Fluence Modern, EMG, Evertune, Hipshot
I love videos that send me down the rabbit hole of searching for pedals & pickups while imagining the results.
Give the Kissel to some talented kid so 30 years from now he can compare it to whatever contemporary guitar he’s currently playing!
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I have a really old P bass. I have a Carvin BB75 fretless, and a Carvin Icon 6. I've always thought the P bass just has this tone, this feel, this whatever-you-want-to-call-it that the Carvin basses just don't have. Going to guitars, I was planning on ordering a Carvin DC727 back in the day, but my experience with their basses held me back I think. The Carvin basses aren't necessarily "bad", there's just this "Carvin" sound/thing that comes with them. I don't know how else to explain it... But in this excellent video, I do agree with a lot of the other comments that the Ibanez just has a better sound. "Better"? Not sure if that's really the right word, but do prefer the Ibanez. Also, like others have mentioned, pickups can degrade with time, so that's also something to consider when it comes to the output of the Ibanez.
The Jem's sound is more sweet and beautiful, while the Kiesel sounds harsh and kind of hollow. In my opinion the Fluence pickups are better but the Jem has a more compelling sound than the soulless Kiesel.... just saying
I just love that iconic guitar so much!
The stories behind it ,make it just that much more special!
Thomas ,I’m a custom painter and prop designer if you ever want to touch that horn up and or fix it though just let me know!
I know it’s apart of the stories behind it ,but that offer will alway stand!
Thank you!
I have a ( well gigged battle scarred) first year run (1988) jem77fp. It was one of the first batch in the uk. Im the second owner. Awesome guitar
Man you've got awesome kit.
Old Jem...it's all that mojo 🎸
Both sound great, the Kiesel has more power and clarity but the Ibanez is warmer and smoother. I think the Kiesel's tone suits your playing better. There's something about playing guitars you've had for a long time. I recently dug out my 1984 Gibson Explorer that I've had for 20+ years, but not played for a while, and it's like meeting with an old friend.
Nice one thank you and ye, I totally agree.
Nice one on digging the old axe out!
I think the Jems cleans are beautiful. But like the distorted bite of the kiesel.
I tried to keep an open mind but I cant help but be just a tad bit biased based on my love for the JEM 😂
Haha nice.
The legendary floral Jem, my dream guitar since I first set my eyes on it !! and still to this day
FYI, you can directly replace the old original Edge trem on your Jem with a Lo-Pro Edge trem...save your wrist LOL!
This is actually an unfair comparison, considering that one guitar is brand-new, and the other guitar is over 30 years old. Also the fact that they’re completely different set up. If the Kesel was also setup with HSH, and had a Floyd Rose, then I would say would be a more fair comparison. Although using major effects processing, it’s hard to tell either way. Maybe a difference and pickup Sound.
I like your playing the most whenever you pick up the Ibanez
jem all day long thers about 10 people on this planet that look good playing an ibanez jem vai petrucci and mcrocklin are 3 of them
although petrucci neber played a jem just a normal ibanez lol
Can i get specks of your kissel guitar please I fell in love with it please
DC600, thin 5pc neck, ash body with satin flamed maple top, Fishman pickups.
80's floral jem case smell. FTW
Floral jem my favorite of all time
The Ibanez sounds muddy. The kiesel sounds great!
Ye, I’m with you there.
You can’t beat kiesel when it comes to getting a custom usa made guitar. The turn around time is faster then any of the other major brands that have custom shops.
It’s really hard to say what it is. But sometimes modern metal guitars are really sparkling on high gain stuff but if you play these things clean they are sounding thin in a unpleasant way. Not so the JEM. And that’s the thing I love on a JEM, there is still warmth in clean sounds. It’s not an ultra modern sound but still up to date. Anyway, the Kiesel sounds great and looks cute. I love that top. I think it’s perfect to have both.
Your pickups aren’t weakening with time. You would need a Lot of heat or a stronger magnet to make that happen. Since you have been playing it lately it is aligned so it is working fine.
I really gotta say I still prefer the passive tones , for the most part,,,at least for the high gain settings, I do however think the kiesel works with the clean sounds both with and without effects, the Jem just has so much character and personality
Cheers for checking it out Gary. It’s all down to personal preference right. Thanks
Your amazing lucky to have you as a teacher ❤️ please don't stop posting
Carvin/kiesel excelente 👌 👍 Gracias
Hey MC rock king! Lol. I've got two Boss digital delays what the best settings for the two to give that dreamy delay sound
Jem all day long
I love Ibanez but ... Here comes the but lol 😂 yeah I would say kiesel wins... Too ve fair tho that Ibanez is old af.. even with a new one though i doubt itd matter enough to change my opinion. At least for his playing style and set up... Yeah there's a reason he plays kiesel now.
For classic 80’s metal that Jem kills! But for modern instrumental rock metal the kiesel sounds fantastic, specially with those fishmans and ss frets…
The JEM has more ‘air’ if you will. The Kiesel sounds overall better. If it had passive pickups it would’ve been a more fair comparison I think
you need to put the same pickups in both guitars to see what truly sounds better. i put a pair of fishman in the most screwed up guitar, had cracks in the body, all pickups picked up this terrible flubby sound, put fishman in and this heaping pile of dung sounded great. i had the same kiesel, but with their {kiesel} pickups, and it did not sound too good at all. fishman bring just about any guitar to the zone of epic tonez.
To me the Kiesel has more sparkle on the clean and more bite on the high gain. The Jem sounds muffled by comparison although it still sounds good. Seems like the output is more balanced from low to high frequency on the Kiesel too.
Yep totally
It's like Steve Vai and Buckethead had a baby LoL 😂 although that is not true because dude is totally unique.
Shove some fishmans in the jem and you'll have the best of both worlds.....but i do love that original passive pickuped jem though
Tom for just messing around you have such great riffs and your distorted tone is amazing! The tone zone is medium output pickup btw.. I personally like DiMarzio pickups! So far I like the megadrive and gravity Storm! geee wonder where that name came from.. your old pal Steve 👍🤘🎸
Thanks mate!
Hey you want the guitar to fight you a little bit doesn't make it easy on you work harder and try things different
Kiesel guitar has the tone over the Jem guitar in sounding yes bolt on necks 👍 more of a tone 🎸
The Jem is more limited in tonality, but it has character. The clean tones are soooo Ibanez and evoke a late 80s vibe, big time. Not exactly a one trick pony, but it does what it does and that's perfect. The keisel is probably more versatile, but doesn't have it's own flavor as much.
why do you prefer bolt on necks? you didn't say why.
Early Jems rule, (like mine, 1991 MIJ)
I owned two of those old Floral Jem’s. A 1991 that I only had for a couple years before I solid it. I acquired a 1988 in great shape about 6 years ago or so and I only had it about a year before selling it. While they are cool looking those huge blocky neck heels are so dated feeling and have terrible upper fret access. I just found myself not wanting to play it so sold it.
Yeah if it’s not working for you, bests sell and get something that you’ll actually use.
Ha very different guitars! Both great though for their own reasons... and you sure bring the best out of them 🤘🤘
💜💜 thanks!
Kiesel is Metal, Jem is more aerial.
both guitars are killer...what's the colour of the Kiesel?
Red. :)
I will be honest I don't use the whole computer set up and shit idk how he even plugs into it haha I have always just used an amp but he has the best tones. At first it kinda of put me off with the channel with the whole going into the computer because I didn't construe it but I loved dudes skills and playing so much I just kept watching. If I ever do the whole going into the computer the first thing I am doing is getting his shit LoL... I have used boss katana and line 6 amps going into the app thing but that isn't the same. I'd love to see how it all works for the person who has no clue I mean. I seen videos showing the setup some but I mean like a video for a person has never done this type of setup.
Thank you so much, it had gotten wayyyyy easier too as I now use a single plugin for everything! You can check it out here www.polychromedsp.com
Have a great day! :)
Honestly new guitars just don't have the same feel. I WISH I have an originally purchased nice axe from like early 90's still around.
Nah, I’m all about the current.
Have you tried fishman in an old Jem? 😬 I feel dirty even suggesting that.
Kiesel guitars are great but I’m a huge fan of the Jem tone, especially the floral’s.
Not on mine no.
Although I love Kiesel, the Jem just has that sound to me.
Thomas, would you be willing to give me the Jem?
As a huge Ibanez jem fan(I dont have one now, but do have the old original rg550s) I have to say I liked the dc600 better, it just seemed to match your style of playing and better clarity(and I recall you've had that jem forever)
Great vid.
I have a dc600x and it is my favorite guitar at this time.Close second is a ct6 with fishmans.
Man that new Kiesel sure does sound amazing, but when that Jem kicks in! I'd love to have that Jem, it's so amazing!
Lovely sounds as always. Love the video quality lately, the content is looking amazing. Can u share what camera and lens are you using? Tnx, rock on!
Every time I see the DC I like it more and more. If I was going on stage in 5 mins, I take the DC without a question. But at home, if I'm looking for some magic, I'm picking up the JEM; that mojo it carries is a real , tangible thing. Can you get the DC with a bolt on? I'll check the builder.
As a Dc600 owner ,(and past dc127s etc) they were always neck thru.
They do make a similar superstrat/ bolt neck the Aries,also great guitars (those can also be nrck thru)
My current DC is probably my favorite guitar or what I have or have had over the years
Cheers Sean! Ye I guess it would be a Aries model. Might have to grab one of those! ;)
I can see how the Kiesel is a better fit for modern metal-ish stuff, I still like the JEM more I guess.
great video you have the best gear collection on youtube, if I ever put together a music room I hope it can be half as cool as yours. kudos.
Thank you! : )
Is it pronounced basswood or basswood? ;)
JEM wins flawless victory
Time for Ibanez to send in their new JEM. Is this a hint? 🤪 Seems like you too took the Quad Cortex bug 🤣😆😂👍👍🤘🏾🎸#staysafe
The JEM pick ups are way better
OLD jem all day long for me.
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Fantastic playing my man! Always look forward to your inspired playing on your vids!
Gotta go with the Kiesel, Jem was awesome but that Kiesel has such a powerful and clear tone
Yeah it was very clear to my ears.
Jem, all way long.... the tone is warmer with less gain, it shines on cleans and distorsion. The kiesel sounds more treebly and has more output, great for distorsion but less in clean and mid gain.
I have a Jem vbk777 from 1989 and I love it. Only guitar you need tbh. Steve knew a thing or two.
So, how likely is it, the magnets on the Jem could be replaced to restore some of the punch? Are the pickups that old?
They’re the original so like 30 years old
@@McRocklin I would reach out to DiMarzio and see what they suggest. It might put a little ooomph back in.
You are very interesting to sit down and "talk" guitars. Most of the time when I watch videos like this it feels like hanging out :)
Have you tried the new Ibanez Pia’s yet?
Ye I don’t own one though.
Looks like a gravity storm in the bridge on the jem - your low gain sound is very nice - have been listening to Eric Johnson lately his low gain is very cool also - he has about 4 gain stages after his cleans - brilliant player as yourself McRocklin
Collectable I'd take the Jem. As a player I'd take the Kiesel, for sure I'd play it more.
Ibanez all the way!!!
Whenever I hear a Fluence pickup, it always sounds like something is missing in the signal.
I like the new tech... Keisel
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zeus with fishman's sometimes seems like cheating, it's so comfortable to play, but there are certain tones, feels that I prefer to use my prestige, or strat for.
The Jem sounds like the Joe Pass grandad and the Keisel like the young spunker teen
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@@McRocklin ☺️🤤
Ibanez JEM = 100%.
That Jem is just beautiful.
I have the Jem '88 as well, it has been my only electric guitar since it came out in that same year.
That Jem is NOT lacking in any bite or high end. To me the the Jem sounds a little better
Again, thrashing Ibanez for no good reason. What happens if you put Fishman on the JEM? Get you fingers stuck on the fretboard? :))))
Different era guitars, totally different tools. I have Fishman in all of my newer Ibanez guitars, I’d highly recommend it.
@@McRocklin Agree. Then why compare them? Now that you did, the conclusion is the super-modern Kiesel custom is only modestly better than 30 yo guitar - and that thanks to Fishman. Kinda embarrassing if you ask me...
Modestly better, that’s your conclusion not mine lol. Anyway you’re extremely troll like in your comments, I won’t be replying again.