@@weirdsound1 I’d love to, but my SL7 will probably go to a new home soon. Other than a cleaner look, I wouldn’t expect a major difference with the new bars.
Been riding the SL7 for two years. It's awesome. Would love to upgrade to the SL8, but the reality is it would be wasted money. The bike isn't gonna make me any faster on group rides or in races. Also, I think it's unnecessary to consider the resale value when purchasing a bike. Bikes are not investments, and they don't hold their value. They get ridden, dropped, scratched up, and crashed. They are tools. If you are buying this level of bike ($10k-$15k), you can afford to sell your old bikes for pennies on the dollar to upgrade when the whim strikes. For me, it would just seem like wasted money to upgrade. I'll wait for the SL9, or my SL7 frame to crack 🤣
Haha, let's hope your frame doesn't crack. I disagree on the resale value- the market is flooded with SL7's and the prices are continuing to drop, so you hit the bottom of the depreciation curve much quicker. Just my two cents.
@@outdoorbros_ I've crashed my SL7 4-5 times so it would probably not be worth top dollar in any market. If you have a pristine condition bike then yes, it might matter.
Another very insightful views on the best frames in the world. This is the qualitative review that is most helpful. Face the people looking at your vids are spending ~$10k on a bike. The stats do not matter, it is the qualitative items like ride quality and important that is to you that matter. Thanks Chris, keep this tuff coming. For background I have ridden an SL3, SL6 and SL7, probably 20K miles or so.
Thank you! I think the stats matter to a point, but everyone needs to take a $10k+ bike for a spin before they make the purchase. Hopefully this provides some insight because I know a lot of us are/were struggling with the idea of jumping to the SL8. They're both exceptional.
Based on your scoring/ranking I’d go with SL7 over SL8. I find that I can account for handling as a rider but ride quality isn’t something that I can adjust for. Watching you haul ass down the hills on either bike made me want to run away from my desk and go ride. Excellent video!
As a guy that used to ride Orange County (Como, Food Park, Bus Stop, Queen Mary, Coffee Crew, Tuesday Worlds etc.) and moved to Idaho., your videos are making me miss the riding more than ever. Great review, as a sprinter/roleur (not a climber) I think I'm going to opt for the SL8 as my first disc bike.... presently own a SL6 Sagan. Moving back down so it's time to start thinking new bike and getting fit again (read: losing 35 lbs of potato weight!)
I just got the SL7 expert as my first proper high end road bike, coming from a low end entry gravel bike that I only did road on. And I love the SL7, it's smashing all my Strava PBs and your videos are a great resource to help me learn more about other peoples views on the SL7. Thanks and good luck in your race ✌🏻
Same for me. Expert as first higher end bike. Upgraded bars and rims. Is like the pro now. Lightweight and great to ride. I never have been this fast, but that might just be the look and feel of the bike making me thinking i go faster than ever.. but i am happy (and strava says i am faster, so it must be true)
First I wanted to change frame for a SL8, but a finally decided to upgrade my SL7 with Roval Rapide cockpit and a Darimo seatpost. I can recommand this upgrades if you prefer the look of your SL7 🤩👍
Hello. Finally I got my bike on the road and here are my first impressions. The sl8 looks is more modern and I love it. The steering is very sharp and you feel that the bike is planted on corners. The bike front is stiff and pleasant but bouncy. A zebra cross can destabilize the front end in an abnormal way. I have the slr saddle and feel that the bike is very comfortable. What is heavy is the bottom bracket, although very responsive, you need to be very comfortable with 200plus watts to keep it going. The fork has a sailing effect with cross wind… I love the bike and if I would provide feedback to Specailized, I would ask to reengineer the bottom bracket. The battery for di2 does not fit well in the new seat post.
@@Pablo_Coach hello. It is hard to rotate the cranks in the beginning as the bottom bracket is very stiff. I got used to that in a month and the bike requires an average 200 watts to give it potential. As for the bouncy front end, I ditched the 26mm tyres and am now on 30s. The bike feels very planted and smooth. I just love this bike. The only challenge is that it takes more watts to hold high speed compared to aero bikes. You can reach 45 km/hour very fast but it is a bit difficult for sustain that
@@mohamadjamil3164 lol crank should rotate without much resistance. You have problem with frame (bottom bracket alingment) or with bottom bracket suport. What suport and crank do You have in this bike?
S-Works SL7 ride quality is just superb. Absolutely love mine and I don't see myself getting an SL8 (goofy computer mount angle on that new bar is a little off-putting as well). However, who knows what the future will hold. LOL!! Great video!
@@outdoorbros_ I have never actually seen it, but quite a few folks have mentioned that the mount on that bar angles the computer a little too far forward, away from the rider. Maybe they fixed that on later iterations of the bar. I dunno.
I was really close to buying a SL8 Pro, but I came across a SL7 Speed of Light 12r bike with PCW wheels for about the price of a SL8 Expert and just couldn't justify the extra cost once you factor in sales tax. The green SL8 Pro is really sharp in person, but I hated seeing the bars turn and that speed sniffer really sticking out.
..and you own both 911 Turbo S and a GT3 RS... I doubt it. So, how can you relate to that analogy?? Absolutely unrelatable analogy. Unless you are a dentist and spend all your money on cars and bikes.
@@stephenchu1115 i'm a porsche fanatic and i do own 911 turbo s for your information. i have previously owned other porsches too but not the gt3 rs. I know what the gt3 rs is about though as i have been lucky enough to test drive one. You do not even need to own any of these cars to know what they are about though, if you are a car guy and like porsches there are tens of thousands of youtube videos/reviews to watch.
@@stephenchu1115 I have driven both vehicles and understand what he is speaking about. Honestly even before driving both, I would have still known what he means with the metaphor. You don't have to relate to understand.
I have the SL7 Pro decked out with all Sram Red and it's a great bike. I would definitely upgrade to the SL8 but not now as I have no reason. Happy to wait another year and for more colors. Will be getting the Sworks frame the next time around. Also, Vittoria Corsa Pros all day.
On aesthetics; got the sl7 for a few years now, it’s in our living room being pretty, lol. Wifes happy with it.. says it all! Beautiful bike, love my wife 😇😇
You got me on, "your wife wouldn't even notice if its a new bike!" haha thank you for being transparent on the both ride quality on sl7 vs sl8. Maybe you can do a performance review on enve 4.5 vs 2.3 which one could be an all around wheelset, deeper section wheels or a lightweight climbing wheels! thank you! keep making good content!
Ha! I'm glad that landed well. My wife is 100% aware of all bike purchases, but I did have to ask her the question. I have actually recorded and re-recorded the 4.5 vs 2.3 part 1 video several times. I'll get it done soon!
Second this request - I’m on the in-between 3.4s and they worked well for all conditions, but would be keen to hear Chris’ thoughts on having the slightly smaller and larger rims instead.
@@outdoorbros_ agree 100%. like what you said day by day its growing on me (sl8) hopefully they will have more frames available to purchase. is there any weight difference between red cranks and new force cranks? i agree it looks better!
@@erickcustomersupport3677 unlikely that it’s faster, but probably less affected by crosswinds and good for when the group ride has climbs in if. They are a good all rounder for sure.
I just got the SL8, and was able to do one 20 mile ride b/c of the hurricane. I'm would say I'm a short 40 something below average cyclist who doesn't ride enough. I had a pro frameset built up with a 350mm two piece bar and stem, until my fit is dialed in. Plus I was running all the spacers and a handlebar bag with tools for adjustments. The bike holds speeds incredibly well. Most of the time I was on the tops b/c the stack is way to high for me. I average a measley 112 watts and hit at least 10 lights. My average speed was 16.6mph. I noticed how fast the bike acclerates form a complete stop. About 5 strokes and I would be up to 23mph. I've never owned a specialized bike, so I came in with zero expectations. I've decided to rededicate myself to cycling and the bike was used as a carrot to help get me started. The bike weighs 6.4 kg w/ ultegra di2, 105 1x crankset, and 40 carbon wheels. I believe I can get the weight to 13 pounds. After one ride I'm a believer in all the specialized hype, and this is coming from someone who rides a pinarello.
Dang, straight to the top with the SL8- congrats! Sounds like an incredible setup. When do dial in your fit? I think that'll make a world of difference.
Could you give a more detailed comparison about the SL8 Pro compared to your Pinarello? I would really like to hear that, because those are currently 2 bikes I’m looking at to buy.
@@Marco-ob1go I've since bought a Pinarello F5. I've downgraded the SL8. Both bikes weigh 6.9 with two piece handlebars. The SL8 is a good bike, but not good if you live somewhere flat. Once it's at 23 mph it struggles to hold speed and I have to put out a crazy wattage to maintain the speed. I bought the F5 because of this. I've had the F5 for about a month and a half. The SL8 isn't a bad bike, but for my riding living in Florida the Pinarello Paris and the F5 beat the SL8. Plus Pinarello makes the best looking bikes. I got the red F5 and it's so pretty.
Mate what a great video. I’m up at 3am deliberating what to have next! The whole Porsche 911 Turbo S v GT3RS is such a fantastic analogy! I’m totally with you.😎👍🏻 Im totally a Turbo S (SL7) guy. Yes the 3RS (SL8) is probably fantastic for track days. But I’m 50+ I don’t do the whole track day thing. I want really fast car with great handling with just a little bit more comfort. Being honest I don’t think I could tell the difference between the two anyway. It’s the looks of the SL7 that really do it for me. 😍😍😍😘🥰 I too prefer the looks of the Sram Force crank to the Sram Red crank.😎👍🏻 My vote: SL7❤…prices are really helping too! Looks absolutely stunning where you ride, those beach and mountain vistas look epic. 😮😎👍🏻
Regarding the tyre choice: Why not run the GP5000 TT TR? I've had great experiences with them as well as last years tdf edition, especially over longer distances, and have been riding them for quite some time now on my regular roadbike. Never had any problems with the puncture protection either and their ride feel is phenomenal.
That would be the ultimate, "Tadej Special" (I think that's what he used for the bulk of the Tour). I don't have any experience with those tires, so I'm hesitant to try them outside of a training ride. Do you ride them in 25 or 28?
@@outdoorbros_ I Ride them in 25mm, with my riding weight hovering at about 59kg +/- 1kg, i can only recommend trying them out, of course during training first if possible. I've hat one puncture riding the tdf edition, but with it being only a small thorn and riding tubeless the sealent worked great, i didn't loose too much pressure. Same as every Conti TR tyre though, they can be quite hard to get on and off the rim at times.
Love the Conti TT tires, they feel very responsive and ( knock on wood) have had excellent luck with them sealing with Silca's Ultimate sealant. My go to tires for now.
How are you comparing the handling between two bikes with the same geometry? While I’m sure stiffness in the various axes has a minor effect on handling, this is going to change more significantly with even the most minor of position changes. Is the position identical on both?
Position should be the same. Same fitter sets up all of my bikes. 14,000+ miles on the SL7 and now 2,500+ on the SL8 and I can assure you that there are subtle differences.
Love your reviews Chris. I also love my SL7 Pro, thinking of upgrading to SL7 Sworks now that they are discounted. This will be my 8th Lotoja, good luck on yours! I feel prepared after chasing your boy Steve Low all summer 😉
Thanks! You'll be stoked with the SW version- great frame. Good luck to you as well! I'm racing with Steve for the 4th year in a row... I think he's stronger this year than he's ever been!
@@RicoRides1 I think there’s quiet enjoyment to be had by getting most of the wattage uplift of the 8 without spending 5k++ (assuming transfer of drivetrain etc) to do it, and without looking like you can’t live without the latest shiny toy. It does help that the 7 arguably looks better, so the optical lure is, for me anyway, much less. Chris is creating RUclips content and people want to know about the 8, so the purchase makes total sense obviously.
Maybe a stupid question, but how does a road bike have understeer? To have understeer the front end literally needs to be sliding out under you, which will result in you being on the floor.
both great bikes, I'd take the SL8 if I were paying retail even though I admit I don't love the aesthetics; the release of the Soudal Quick-Step colors would help move my preference to the SL8. I am still considering a used SL7 as a way to save $1K's off a new bike for a bike that is still better than many 2024 bikes from other brands. What's a bit of a surprise is how Specialized can offer such industry leading specs on their frames while simultaneously offering somewhat average/mediocre wheel specs. I think I'd rather run the 2024 Black Inc or Zipp NSW wheels on either of the Tarmacs.
Good points. The price difference between the 7 and 8 seems to be a deciding factor for most buyers. Performance is very similar, but one will have a lower upfront cost and lower resale. Tough call.
I’ve has an S-works SL7 for two years and a Venge for 3, if the SL8 is more Venge like then that’s a plus for me. I love both bikes but I still love the Venge more. Sounds like I need ed to try the SL8. Great video that makes one think.
The ride quality of the SL7 is unmatched in my opinion. I have not ridden the SL8 so I can not say it’s better. The Venge was a super fast machine but on long distances it bit me up badly. I fell in love with the SL7 when I first tested it, that’s why I bought it. I’m gonna keep riding it until I get bored of it or it breaks. 👏💪
Hi .New subscriber here. I like yours videos for sl8. I recommend you use the Continental . They feels a little slower than the corsa but i think is more (stronger) on punctures. This year i done 9k kilometers ,the most of them on brevets ( 200, 300 ,400 ,600,1000 ) and i had only two flat tyres. I will wait with agony your next video ,after the race ,to tell us how you feel with the sl8 . Because i have order mine and i waiting.... Good luck and be careful !!!
Thanks so much! I have tens of thousands of miles on the GP5000 TL's (my favorite tire of all time) and I wish the S TR's were as good as the TL's. We'll see..
I will go for the 10r SL8 with the new Roval Rapide Cockpit. It's lighter than then SL7 and has the identical tube shape and geometry to the S-Works SL8 so they should have the same aerodynamic performance. More importantly it's even cheaper than the S-Works SL7. The only downside is that the 10r SL8 doesn't have the "S-Works" logo on it.
I don't know what to attribute to your experience of the handling, unless your SL8 frame is a different size compared to your SL7 frame. The SL7 and SL8 have identical geometries, which should basically equate to identical handling, all else being equal. The only difference between them is that, when it comes to stack and reach, the SL8 is actually more upright and very slightly shorter. From a pure geometry perspective, comparing size for size, this means the SL8 is slightly less aggressive and less race oriented than the SL7 is.
handling, how do these compare to the SL6? I love the handling of my SL6. I've had an scott foil RC 30 (2023)for about 6 months, and it just doesn't handle like my tarmac SL6. If the SL7 & 8 handle as well as the SL6 did, then I know what I need to do.
I’m sticking with the SL7, been riding it for 2 years now. Thinking of buying a new frame, new force group set and having a new race day bike, then the old becomes a dedicated trainer bike/great backup. Hope to see you at Lotoja! My start time is 6:22, what’s yours?
Great video and really enjoy your thoughts on the 2. I really wonder how much of that front end improvement is due to the one piece bar/stem. Would you be able to elaborate/comment on this a bit? I have always found that the front end is more direct and stable the less spacer I run. Meaning the closer the stem is to the headset bearing. The SL7 is at a disadvantage here by design with the thick top cap.
Thank you! It's hard to say and realistically, I don't see myself putting the other bar/stem combo on to run a test. I do attribute a lot of the stiffness to the head tube and the front fork design. Are we certain that the new bar/stem combo is more stiff? I was recently talking with another brand about their one-piece cockpit and they said it's actually not as stiff as the two-piece setup.
@@outdoorbros_ Thanks for the response. I actually just tested an SL8 Pro vs the S-Works myself. Maybe stiff is the wrong choice of word here but the SW does feel more direct and connected in the front than the Pro imho. Same 35mm stack of spacer. I can't really isolate if that's part of the frame or the cockpit. Hence would like some 2nd opinion.
Chose the SL8 Pro in pine green, had it rebuilt to Sram force 2023. Chose it in the end for the selling value for when i might sell it as you said. Personally wouldnt notice the difference.
Was hellbent on getting the sl8 pro in green but the enve melee has been creeping into the the thout process. Rewatched your melee videos a couple times over since
I appreciate the SL7 and SL8..i just think the SL7 looks better overall..but i do love those new roval one piece bar that comes on the full built s-works SL8..i love the promotions of the SL8.ill have to test ride it to see if its worth upgrading..the great thing is that i can just buy the SL8 frame and swap over my components..
I worry about the weight, or lack of, with the SL8. Normal guy keeping his bike in the garage, say it gets knocked over and hits the lawnmower. Is it going to crack? That top tube is THIN, and yeah sorry, the situation of the lawnmower happens. Also, there's been a lot of behind the scenes shots of pros holding snapped frames after crashes. They get a new one from the team car, we sit and whimper. Not hating, just worried about the actual real world factors and these race machines. And run the GP5k, you can't feel the difference in alleged speed, but you can with the punctures.....
… but the Corsa Pros are more puncture resistant, at least according to the bicycle rolling resistance. I hear you on the frame weight. Thankfully it’s been good so far.
I am not sure why are you not a Specialized ambassador! It makes no sense. I get you feature other bikes but that would be even better benefit for them since you clearly like specialized better. If I may suggest something…. I highly recommend you get your hands on a dogma f to test ride it, it might give you even better understanding of your sl8. I owned it recently for few months, there isn’t a better bike to ride feeling wise than dogma f . It’s just molds to your body. Its not that impressive in low speeds but somehow when it gets up to speed it’s marvelous ride. I got back to sl7 and now sl8 and even though I still miss riding dogma I never feel like I want to switch back. But what I learn from dogma helped me understand my sl8 better. Very hard to explain until you try them. Cheers
Thanks! I wouldn't say I particularly like Specialized better, it's just what a lot of us ride around here. I could easily make the case to swap the the Crux for the Allied Echo- that's probably my favorite do-it-all bike for my riding style. I hear that a lot about the Dogma F- I'll keep trying to track one down for a comparison.
I have giant advanced sl, I am pushing it for 10 years before upgrading. I think I like the sound of the SL7 based on your review. Ride quality is more important to me.
Sl7 was combination of venge in the front and tarmac on the back. With sl8 its venge in the front and aethos on the back. So sl8 has nothing left from tarmac heritage 😢
How do you like the Enve 2.3 & 4.5 as a combo? I’m considering this exact same setup myself, but I’m curious if I should just get 3.4s and save the money on the 2nd wheel set. Thoughts?
3.4's are probably the sweet spot, but I haven't ridden them. I will say that I really enjoy 2.3's and the 4.5's. The 2.3's spin up so quickly and descend incredibly well.
Curious about your thoughts on durianrider and modern-era bikes vs bikes from the 90’s to 2010’s. It’s kind of hard to reconcile both of your perspectives on the SL8, given that you’re both serious cyclists, yet are diametrically opposed in your viewpoints. It seems like there is little to no conclusive evidence that modern bikes perform better than previous generation bikes, which is a point in durianrider’s favor. I also agree with him on the point that the trend is moving towards making bikes more comfortable. It seems to me like durianrider is something of a purist - he is very focused on performance and doesn’t care for things that don’t improve it. Having owned a 2010’s era bike (Cannondale CAAD9), I at times have similar feelings as durianrider when I compare it to the CAAD13 - the modern CAAD is bigger, less stiff, slower handling, and more comfortable, but it’d be hard to say objectively which bike is faster. While I appreciate the increased comfort of the modern bike, at times I miss the “raw” feeling of the old bike. This nostalgia is the reason I got my Aethos, which, to me, feels like a CAAD9 on steroids. But what seems to be at the heart of the matter when it comes to bikes and what we prefer, isn’t objective performance, but rather, subjective feeling. It’s the same thing with cars (but with cars, there is much more objective data in terms of performance).
Gosh, I’m probably not the right person to offer an opinion here. First, I’ve never watch a Durianrider video- I only recently heard about him with the SL8 release. I’m sure he has some great videos, the algorithm just hasn’t planted them in my feed yet. Second, the oldest bike I’ve ridden was a 2006 Roubaix and that was 10+ years ago, when I wasn’t paying much attention to feel and handling. In other words, I don’t have the history with bikes dating back as far as you’re mentioning. I understand the comparison to cars and you might be on to something there… but I will say that we might have reached a performance plateau a few years ago and we’ve only made marginal gains since, at least in terms of the bike. These are thought provoking questions. Good stuff.
@@outdoorbros_ I don’t have the history either, the 2010 CAAD is the oldest road bike I’ve ridden. But it’s recent experience, and this is why I can make judgements on the old bike vs. new. I actually disagree a fair amount with durianrider’s views, especially on diet, but he’s quite knowledgeable and experienced with bikes, and his criticisms of the bike industry are in large part valid. I think it’s kind of interesting how the changes in the bike industry track pretty closely with cars - the trend is towards bigger, more comfortable, less rough edges. The modern car/bike may be objectively faster, but older generation cars/bikes have a handling feel that can’t be matched, due largely to their lower weight and smaller geometry. It’s why so many people prefer the older generation M3, WRX STI/EVO, etc. to the modern versions.
I just landed with my frame to be assembled. A guy wants to buy my beloved ethos. Shall I sell? So you think that the aethos should stay or it can be easily replaced by the sl8?
SL7. Because I just replaced my Sworks SL5 with a Sworks SL7 and I love it. Also just like for cars, I'd rather buy the last year of a proven, reliable and well optimized design, rather than take the risk of buying a 1st year design. If you've worked in manufacturing you know what I mean. 😅
Totally get it. Part of the fun of this channel is buying and testing the latest gear. If I didn’t have the channel, my thought process might be different.
With the ‘white paper’ on the aero benefits of the one piece cockpit verses the previous two piece SL7 cockpit I wonder if they tested it in real world conditions with both set ups running an out front head unit? My question is based on a hunch that the head unit negates any meaningful difference in aero performance of the one pice set up.
Thanks for an incredibly helpful comparison of the SL7 vs 8! I own a S-Works Aethos custom build with a Roval Alpinist cockpit and ENVE 4.5ARs. Absent trying the Tarmac, I love the Aethos and its ride quality. Most of my riding is in the mountains in the summer (mostly solo riding) and the flats (on marginal roads in a group rides) during the balance of the year. Performance-wise, I’m a reasonably speedy 50ish masters cyclist @~4w/kg. Do you think I’d gain much more performance on the flats with an SL8, or for your money, would you just own one or the other (Aethos or SL8 but not both)? Thanks!
Surely enough a famous australian cyclist and youtuber already craked his Tarmac SL8 (handlebars probably twisted and hit the frame) but do you feel like the SL8 is outrageously fragile or brittle? Although I'm aware that these bikes are very fragile, my Venge 2019 in Carbon 11r already feels brittle and soft and I don't want to be even more stressed with this 12r SL8. What are your thoughts!
Sl8. Sl7s are not discounted enough to make up for the loss on the selling end in a few years. Also, I want the matte. There is an Sl7 in carbon satin but I’d like to try the new force. I sold my previous bike so the upgrade won’t hurt as much lol. All in all I want the latest because I’ll keep for a generation or two.
@@outdoorbros_ maybe you should do some comparisons on allez sprint vs sl7 vs sl8 mate, so that it could accommodate the majority of every cyclist (experienced, newbie, & maybe someone who wants to start cycling with tight budget)
Is the Vittoria going to be reliable on a 200 miler….🤔 Btw, I run the Pro One TLE for racing and every day use (25 on DT Swiss ARC1100 48’s) fast, and no punctures! 👍
Venge with a speed sniffer, super deep fork blades, tad bit more compliance but just a tad Or I'd maybe consider a version of the SL8 with SL7 rear end
I bought a Tarmac SL7 in a sale and I think that was its worth not the original price. I didn’t like the Roval C38 running dura ace C36 tubeless 25c. I’ll wait to the SL8 goes on sale in a few years
SL7 for me. A friend has the SL8 and I just can’t get around that headtube speedsniffer nose extension they’ve done. Looks totally out of proportion unless the stem is completely slammed and even then it still looks stupid.
Whoops...I commented before the end of the video. To answer your question, the tire which avoids punctures the best. For me that is the Conti. I'm actually riding the ENVE tire now (29MM) and I like it a lot. It's holding well.
I think we’re at the level of diminishing returns here. At this level the consumer should buy what they want based on emotion, appearance and feel as these data points released by specialized from a lab are not going to be experienced in the real world from weekend warrior riders. I also wonder if the additional reported aero gains from the new one-piece Roval bar is decreased significantly once any bike computer and/or headlight is mounted on which is how most of us ride. As for me, I built up my dream 2019 S-Works Venge to the 9’s and sticking with it.
@@outdoorbros_ I like that they went away from the isospeed design, I had it on the SLR and I didn't feel like it did anything for my riding, I'm also a fan of the T47 BB. But I think the main thing the Madone has going for it, is that it's a pure aero race bike & I live in and land of flat roads, so it'll suit my riding I do most of the time. But it also looks so dang good!!! :)
Any other roadbike build from Titanium, Alloy or Steel, with rim brakes , external cables,BSA BB, mechanical group set, without mono cockpit..everything else is just bike industry scam, slow, hard to maintain and extremely stupid investment and with 8 it just make it to top..
Porsche track model analogies usually work for these, although if the 8 is that much stiffer (for only 8W gain on a smooth track!) it would be a horrendous ridE on real world crappy roads. Ultimately, these are like iPhones. You can upgrade each time to the shiny new one (guilty in years past), but you really notice the difference more enjoyably when you skip a couple of generations. I like the 8, but I love my SL7 and, not least because it looks better, and I won’t be any faster or comfortable on the 8. I think - and I mean this as a compliment - that your videos are the ultimate mansplaining. “Why did I drop 5k on a new frame? Let me explain in a beautifully edited video…”. PS we all need a shiny a new toy sometimes, so I might do the bars upgrade as that appears to be the majority of the performance upgrade? Last thing, I settled on ENVE 3.4s as my all-rounder; how would you rate the enjoyment from having the the sides either side as your main rims?
@@outdoorbros_ of course I will like it - I knew that even before you bought one and started making content on it :-) Doesn’t change anything I said above though. For the $, I’m happy to skip a generation. If the looks were the equivalent of the Aston V8 Vantage versus the previous model in the early 2000s, or a 911 versus a Boxster, then I’d be tempted on looks alone, all else being equal. But sadly not. Like the horrendous new BMW grill, will it grow on me, or is it the equivalent of the Chris Bangle era Beemers that arguably didn’t really catch on….
I've had several Tarmacs over the years, including an S-Works SL6 and my SL8 Pro is the best bike I've ever owned. Absolutely incredible bike that makes you want to push harder and ride every damn day.
For me..ride quality trumps handling..i’m not an extreme crit racer/descender..but if money doesn’t matter..I’ll run SL8 with Alpinist CLXii and dura ace
I don't understand your comparison analogy. How many people out there have driven a 911 Turbo S and a GT3 RS? Probably none. So 100% of your viewers have no idea what you are talking about. That is absolutely a ridiculous analogy.
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SL8 vs SL7 questions? Drop them below.
Comparing slow Vs slow...
@@DavidSmith-hz3jg what’s fast?
Could you test sl7 with the new cockpit handlebar? 😅 I don’t mind to upgrade but I don’t know what to do with SL7 😢
@@weirdsound1 I’d love to, but my SL7 will probably go to a new home soon. Other than a cleaner look, I wouldn’t expect a major difference with the new bars.
Hi, my name is durianrider. Can you turn around the seatpost on the sl8?
Been riding the SL7 for two years. It's awesome. Would love to upgrade to the SL8, but the reality is it would be wasted money. The bike isn't gonna make me any faster on group rides or in races. Also, I think it's unnecessary to consider the resale value when purchasing a bike. Bikes are not investments, and they don't hold their value. They get ridden, dropped, scratched up, and crashed. They are tools. If you are buying this level of bike ($10k-$15k), you can afford to sell your old bikes for pennies on the dollar to upgrade when the whim strikes. For me, it would just seem like wasted money to upgrade. I'll wait for the SL9, or my SL7 frame to crack 🤣
You're 100% right
Haha, let's hope your frame doesn't crack. I disagree on the resale value- the market is flooded with SL7's and the prices are continuing to drop, so you hit the bottom of the depreciation curve much quicker. Just my two cents.
@@outdoorbros_ I've crashed my SL7 4-5 times so it would probably not be worth top dollar in any market. If you have a pristine condition bike then yes, it might matter.
@tccycling is your SL7 an Sworks bike? If it is, I'd rather sell that and buy the non-Sworks SL8. You'd probably come out with extra pocket money too
@@veganpotterthevegan It is and I've thought about it. Just don't like the currently available colors.
I'm moving up from a 2013 Ruby to a 2022 SL7. Picking it up on Monday. Can't wait.
Congrats! That sounds amazing.
Another very insightful views on the best frames in the world. This is the qualitative review that is most helpful. Face the people looking at your vids are spending ~$10k on a bike. The stats do not matter, it is the qualitative items like ride quality and important that is to you that matter. Thanks Chris, keep this tuff coming. For background I have ridden an SL3, SL6 and SL7, probably 20K miles or so.
Thank you! I think the stats matter to a point, but everyone needs to take a $10k+ bike for a spin before they make the purchase. Hopefully this provides some insight because I know a lot of us are/were struggling with the idea of jumping to the SL8. They're both exceptional.
I'd honestly take the cheaper SL8 over the Sworks SL7. You get the same aerodynamics as the Sworks bike and the weight is similar
I jumped from SL6 to SL8. Lovely the switch . To me it feels stiffer in the front , snappier in the rear . Carries speed easier than the SL6
Nice upgrade!
Based on your scoring/ranking I’d go with SL7 over SL8. I find that I can account for handling as a rider but ride quality isn’t something that I can adjust for. Watching you haul ass down the hills on either bike made me want to run away from my desk and go ride. Excellent video!
Haha, thanks! I think the ride quality takes a bit to get used to- you'd get there with either bike and I'm sure you'd enjoy them both.
As a guy that used to ride Orange County (Como, Food Park, Bus Stop, Queen Mary, Coffee Crew, Tuesday Worlds etc.) and moved to Idaho., your videos are making me miss the riding more than ever. Great review, as a sprinter/roleur (not a climber) I think I'm going to opt for the SL8 as my first disc bike.... presently own a SL6 Sagan. Moving back down so it's time to start thinking new bike and getting fit again (read: losing 35 lbs of potato weight!)
I just got the SL7 expert as my first proper high end road bike, coming from a low end entry gravel bike that I only did road on. And I love the SL7, it's smashing all my Strava PBs and your videos are a great resource to help me learn more about other peoples views on the SL7. Thanks and good luck in your race ✌🏻
Awesome, thanks Rory!
Same for me. Expert as first higher end bike. Upgraded bars and rims. Is like the pro now. Lightweight and great to ride. I never have been this fast, but that might just be the look and feel of the bike making me thinking i go faster than ever.. but i am happy (and strava says i am faster, so it must be true)
SRAM or Shimano? Making that decision now. Shimano is $1k more expensive and I don’t know if it’s worthwhile
Great brother like also! Love my Sl7. You old sl7 is still in a great home thank you very much ❤
You made a very honest review, kudos!
Thanks!
First I wanted to change frame for a SL8, but a finally decided to upgrade my SL7 with Roval Rapide cockpit and a Darimo seatpost. I can recommand this upgrades if you prefer the look of your SL7 🤩👍
Hello. Finally I got my bike on the road and here are my first impressions. The sl8 looks is more modern and I love it. The steering is very sharp and you feel that the bike is planted on corners. The bike front is stiff and pleasant but bouncy. A zebra cross can destabilize the front end in an abnormal way. I have the slr saddle and feel that the bike is very comfortable. What is heavy is the bottom bracket, although very responsive, you need to be very comfortable with 200plus watts to keep it going. The fork has a sailing effect with cross wind… I love the bike and if I would provide feedback to Specailized, I would ask to reengineer the bottom bracket. The battery for di2 does not fit well in the new seat post.
Just reading this now- great observations. Do you like it more than the SL7?
@@outdoorbros_ sl8 all day :)
What do You mean „heavy bottom bracket”?
@@Pablo_Coach hello. It is hard to rotate the cranks in the beginning as the bottom bracket is very stiff. I got used to that in a month and the bike requires an average 200 watts to give it potential. As for the bouncy front end, I ditched the 26mm tyres and am now on 30s. The bike feels very planted and smooth. I just love this bike. The only challenge is that it takes more watts to hold high speed compared to aero bikes. You can reach 45 km/hour very fast but it is a bit difficult for sustain that
@@mohamadjamil3164 lol crank should rotate without much resistance. You have problem with frame (bottom bracket alingment) or with bottom bracket suport. What suport and crank do You have in this bike?
S-Works SL7 ride quality is just superb. Absolutely love mine and I don't see myself getting an SL8 (goofy computer mount angle on that new bar is a little off-putting as well). However, who knows what the future will hold. LOL!! Great video!
Goofy computer angle? I think it’s the same mount as my SL7.
@@outdoorbros_ I have never actually seen it, but quite a few folks have mentioned that the mount on that bar angles the computer a little too far forward, away from the rider. Maybe they fixed that on later iterations of the bar. I dunno.
I was really close to buying a SL8 Pro, but I came across a SL7 Speed of Light 12r bike with PCW wheels for about the price of a SL8 Expert and just couldn't justify the extra cost once you factor in sales tax.
The green SL8 Pro is really sharp in person, but I hated seeing the bars turn and that speed sniffer really sticking out.
Both great bikes. Walking out to a garage where I have both, I'm taking the SL8 every single time. It's just more dynamic and fun.
Yeah, I think the SL8 is the winner now- it's just so good.
I really like the porsche comparisons, i can really relate to them! you break it down so well.
Thanks! Glad it resonated.
..and you own both 911 Turbo S and a GT3 RS... I doubt it. So, how can you relate to that analogy?? Absolutely unrelatable analogy. Unless you are a dentist and spend all your money on cars and bikes.
@@stephenchu1115 it’s just an analogy- it doesn’t meant you have to own the cars to have an understanding of how they perform.
@@stephenchu1115 i'm a porsche fanatic and i do own 911 turbo s for your information. i have previously owned other porsches too but not the gt3 rs. I know what the gt3 rs is about though as i have been lucky enough to test drive one. You do not even need to own any of these cars to know what they are about though, if you are a car guy and like porsches there are tens of thousands of youtube videos/reviews to watch.
@@stephenchu1115 I have driven both vehicles and understand what he is speaking about. Honestly even before driving both, I would have still known what he means with the metaphor. You don't have to relate to understand.
I have the SL7 Pro decked out with all Sram Red and it's a great bike. I would definitely upgrade to the SL8 but not now as I have no reason. Happy to wait another year and for more colors. Will be getting the Sworks frame the next time around.
Also, Vittoria Corsa Pros all day.
Yeah, you're set with that setup. That's the first one for Corsa Pros!
Love my SL7Pro as well. Bad news is I have itch for the 8.
On aesthetics; got the sl7 for a few years now, it’s in our living room being pretty, lol. Wifes happy with it.. says it all! Beautiful bike, love my wife 😇😇
Haha, that's the right mindset.
You got me on, "your wife wouldn't even notice if its a new bike!" haha thank you for being transparent on the both ride quality on sl7 vs sl8. Maybe you can do a performance review on enve 4.5 vs 2.3 which one could be an all around wheelset, deeper section wheels or a lightweight climbing wheels! thank you! keep making good content!
Ha! I'm glad that landed well. My wife is 100% aware of all bike purchases, but I did have to ask her the question. I have actually recorded and re-recorded the 4.5 vs 2.3 part 1 video several times. I'll get it done soon!
Second this request - I’m on the in-between 3.4s and they worked well for all conditions, but would be keen to hear Chris’ thoughts on having the slightly smaller and larger rims instead.
@@outdoorbros_ agree 100%. like what you said day by day its growing on me (sl8) hopefully they will have more frames available to purchase. is there any weight difference between red cranks and new force cranks? i agree it looks better!
@@onenotesolo256 does the 3.4s easy to maintain and hold speed on grouprides than a deeper 4.5? thank you!
@@erickcustomersupport3677 unlikely that it’s faster, but probably less affected by crosswinds and good for when the group ride has climbs in if. They are a good all rounder for sure.
I just got the SL8, and was able to do one 20 mile ride b/c of the hurricane. I'm would say I'm a short 40 something below average cyclist who doesn't ride enough. I had a pro frameset built up with a 350mm two piece bar and stem, until my fit is dialed in. Plus I was running all the spacers and a handlebar bag with tools for adjustments. The bike holds speeds incredibly well. Most of the time I was on the tops b/c the stack is way to high for me. I average a measley 112 watts and hit at least 10 lights. My average speed was 16.6mph. I noticed how fast the bike acclerates form a complete stop. About 5 strokes and I would be up to 23mph. I've never owned a specialized bike, so I came in with zero expectations. I've decided to rededicate myself to cycling and the bike was used as a carrot to help get me started. The bike weighs 6.4 kg w/ ultegra di2, 105 1x crankset, and 40 carbon wheels. I believe I can get the weight to 13 pounds. After one ride I'm a believer in all the specialized hype, and this is coming from someone who rides a pinarello.
My man I think you need to just ride and stop focusing on gear if you're averaging 112 watts.
Dang, straight to the top with the SL8- congrats! Sounds like an incredible setup. When do dial in your fit? I think that'll make a world of difference.
Easy there... gear is also a lot of the fun of the sport.
Could you give a more detailed comparison about the SL8 Pro compared to your Pinarello? I would really like to hear that, because those are currently 2 bikes I’m looking at to buy.
@@Marco-ob1go I've since bought a Pinarello F5. I've downgraded the SL8. Both bikes weigh 6.9 with two piece handlebars. The SL8 is a good bike, but not good if you live somewhere flat. Once it's at 23 mph it struggles to hold speed and I have to put out a crazy wattage to maintain the speed. I bought the F5 because of this. I've had the F5 for about a month and a half. The SL8 isn't a bad bike, but for my riding living in Florida the Pinarello Paris and the F5 beat the SL8. Plus Pinarello makes the best looking bikes. I got the red F5 and it's so pretty.
Mate what a great video. I’m up at 3am deliberating what to have next! The whole Porsche 911 Turbo S v GT3RS is such a fantastic analogy! I’m totally with you.😎👍🏻
Im totally a Turbo S (SL7) guy. Yes the 3RS (SL8) is probably fantastic for track days. But I’m 50+ I don’t do the whole track day thing. I want really fast car with great handling with just a little bit more comfort. Being honest I don’t think I could tell the difference between the two anyway.
It’s the looks of the SL7 that really do it for me. 😍😍😍😘🥰 I too prefer the looks of the Sram Force crank to the Sram Red crank.😎👍🏻
My vote: SL7❤…prices are really helping too!
Looks absolutely stunning where you ride, those beach and mountain vistas look epic. 😮😎👍🏻
Thank you! SL7 is an absolute gem of a bike.
Regarding the tyre choice: Why not run the GP5000 TT TR? I've had great experiences with them as well as last years tdf edition, especially over longer distances, and have been riding them for quite some time now on my regular roadbike. Never had any problems with the puncture protection either and their ride feel is phenomenal.
That would be the ultimate, "Tadej Special" (I think that's what he used for the bulk of the Tour). I don't have any experience with those tires, so I'm hesitant to try them outside of a training ride. Do you ride them in 25 or 28?
@@outdoorbros_ I Ride them in 25mm, with my riding weight hovering at about 59kg +/- 1kg, i can only recommend trying them out, of course during training first if possible. I've hat one puncture riding the tdf edition, but with it being only a small thorn and riding tubeless the sealent worked great, i didn't loose too much pressure. Same as every Conti TR tyre though, they can be quite hard to get on and off the rim at times.
I’ve gotten more flats with them than the standard Grand Prix
Love the Conti TT tires, they feel very responsive and ( knock on wood) have had excellent luck with them sealing with Silca's Ultimate sealant. My go to tires for now.
How are you comparing the handling between two bikes with the same geometry? While I’m sure stiffness in the various axes has a minor effect on handling, this is going to change more significantly with even the most minor of position changes.
Is the position identical on both?
Position should be the same. Same fitter sets up all of my bikes. 14,000+ miles on the SL7 and now 2,500+ on the SL8 and I can assure you that there are subtle differences.
Love your reviews Chris. I also love my SL7 Pro, thinking of upgrading to SL7 Sworks now that they are discounted. This will be my 8th Lotoja, good luck on yours! I feel prepared after chasing your boy Steve Low all summer 😉
Thanks! You'll be stoked with the SW version- great frame. Good luck to you as well! I'm racing with Steve for the 4th year in a row... I think he's stronger this year than he's ever been!
Good shout on the upgrade. I’d be tempted to do the same, and throw on the new bars from the 8 maybe?
@onenotesolo256 True that's the one piece I'd like from the 8 if I can't have the whole pie.
@@outdoorbros_ He is Beastier than ever... and your wave looks stacked with Beasts!
@@RicoRides1 I think there’s quiet enjoyment to be had by getting most of the wattage uplift of the 8 without spending 5k++ (assuming transfer of drivetrain etc) to do it, and without looking like you can’t live without the latest shiny toy. It does help that the 7 arguably looks better, so the optical lure is, for me anyway, much less. Chris is creating RUclips content and people want to know about the 8, so the purchase makes total sense obviously.
Maybe a stupid question, but how does a road bike have understeer? To have understeer the front end literally needs to be sliding out under you, which will result in you being on the floor.
Maybe under and oversteer isn’t the right term, but I mean how sensitive the steering is.
I have a Aethos 2021 and i gone change for a SL8 specially for the cockpit and for the tires i prefer the GP5000 😊
Fair enough! How do you like it?
both great bikes, I'd take the SL8 if I were paying retail even though I admit I don't love the aesthetics; the release of the Soudal Quick-Step colors would help move my preference to the SL8. I am still considering a used SL7 as a way to save $1K's off a new bike for a bike that is still better than many 2024 bikes from other brands. What's a bit of a surprise is how Specialized can offer such industry leading specs on their frames while simultaneously offering somewhat average/mediocre wheel specs. I think I'd rather run the 2024 Black Inc or Zipp NSW wheels on either of the Tarmacs.
Good points. The price difference between the 7 and 8 seems to be a deciding factor for most buyers. Performance is very similar, but one will have a lower upfront cost and lower resale. Tough call.
I’ve has an S-works SL7 for two years and a Venge for 3, if the SL8 is more Venge like then that’s a plus for me. I love both bikes but I still love the Venge more. Sounds like I need ed to try the SL8. Great video that makes one think.
Thank you. I liked the feel of the Venge as well, so the SL8 feels like the total package to me.
The ride quality of the SL7 is unmatched in my opinion. I have not ridden the SL8 so I can not say it’s better. The Venge was a super fast machine but on long distances it bit me up badly. I fell in love with the SL7 when I first tested it, that’s why I bought it. I’m gonna keep riding it until I get bored of it or it breaks. 👏💪
Nice! It's such a great bike.
Tadej runs evne's with GP5000. It's such a fast and reliable setup. Don't mess with a good thing...
Yup, his setup is dialed!
Hi .New subscriber here. I like yours videos for sl8. I recommend you use the Continental . They feels a little slower than the corsa but i think is more (stronger) on punctures.
This year i done 9k kilometers ,the most of them on brevets ( 200, 300 ,400 ,600,1000 ) and i had only two flat tyres.
I will wait with agony your next video ,after the race ,to tell us how you feel with the sl8 .
Because i have order mine and i waiting....
Good luck and be careful !!!
Thanks so much! I have tens of thousands of miles on the GP5000 TL's (my favorite tire of all time) and I wish the S TR's were as good as the TL's. We'll see..
I still love my SL7 over SL8 as it feels more planted on the ground on the rear, especially at high speed cornering... my personal feel
Fair! After another few hundred miles, I’m liking the SL8 more and more.
It depend of the road quality. On 1 cat road sl7 is stable but on rough roads sl8 will be more stable
SL7. Looks. I think it might become a classic in a sense.
Good vid man, looks like there’s deals with the sl7
Prices have definitely become more competitive.
So when it comes to the Tarmac SL8 where do you think SL8 lacks? Not really compared to the SL7, but just in general.
Only lacks aesthetically, in my opinion. 4,700+ miles so far and it’s been flawless.
I will go for the 10r SL8 with the new Roval Rapide Cockpit. It's lighter than then SL7 and has the identical tube shape and geometry to the S-Works SL8 so they should have the same aerodynamic performance. More importantly it's even cheaper than the S-Works SL7. The only downside is that the 10r SL8 doesn't have the "S-Works" logo on it.
Sounds like a great plan!
I don't know what to attribute to your experience of the handling, unless your SL8 frame is a different size compared to your SL7 frame. The SL7 and SL8 have identical geometries, which should basically equate to identical handling, all else being equal. The only difference between them is that, when it comes to stack and reach, the SL8 is actually more upright and very slightly shorter. From a pure geometry perspective, comparing size for size, this means the SL8 is slightly less aggressive and less race oriented than the SL7 is.
Same size frames. Not sure either, but the feel is different.
The SL7 is an exceptional bike…exceptional.
Great bike!
handling, how do these compare to the SL6? I love the handling of my SL6. I've had an scott foil RC 30 (2023)for about 6 months, and it just doesn't handle like my tarmac SL6. If the SL7 & 8 handle as well as the SL6 did, then I know what I need to do.
I’m sticking with the SL7, been riding it for 2 years now. Thinking of buying a new frame, new force group set and having a new race day bike, then the old becomes a dedicated trainer bike/great backup. Hope to see you at Lotoja! My start time is 6:22, what’s yours?
I like the bike plan! I'm the first wave at 5:54am. Hopefully you catch me! Holler at me if you see me.
Great video and really enjoy your thoughts on the 2. I really wonder how much of that front end improvement is due to the one piece bar/stem. Would you be able to elaborate/comment on this a bit? I have always found that the front end is more direct and stable the less spacer I run. Meaning the closer the stem is to the headset bearing. The SL7 is at a disadvantage here by design with the thick top cap.
Thank you! It's hard to say and realistically, I don't see myself putting the other bar/stem combo on to run a test. I do attribute a lot of the stiffness to the head tube and the front fork design. Are we certain that the new bar/stem combo is more stiff? I was recently talking with another brand about their one-piece cockpit and they said it's actually not as stiff as the two-piece setup.
@@outdoorbros_ Thanks for the response. I actually just tested an SL8 Pro vs the S-Works myself. Maybe stiff is the wrong choice of word here but the SW does feel more direct and connected in the front than the Pro imho. Same 35mm stack of spacer. I can't really isolate if that's part of the frame or the cockpit. Hence would like some 2nd opinion.
Chose the SL8 Pro in pine green, had it rebuilt to Sram force 2023. Chose it in the end for the selling value for when i might sell it as you said. Personally wouldnt notice the difference.
Nice, enjoy!
Was hellbent on getting the sl8 pro in green but the enve melee has been creeping into the the thout process. Rewatched your melee videos a couple times over since
I really need to jump back onto the Melee and give it another look. It's such a fantastic bike.
@@outdoorbros_ sl8 vs melee??? 😂
I still love my SL7. I think once I put the new Roval integrated bar, then its aesthetic is higher, and more aero as well.
Nice!
I appreciate the SL7 and SL8..i just think the SL7 looks better overall..but i do love those new roval one piece bar that comes on the full built s-works SL8..i love the promotions of the SL8.ill have to test ride it to see if its worth upgrading..the great thing is that i can just buy the SL8 frame and swap over my components..
No doubt, the Roval bar looks REALLY good. Have you seen the photo of the Crux with the one-piece bar? Looks so mean.
I worry about the weight, or lack of, with the SL8. Normal guy keeping his bike in the garage, say it gets knocked over and hits the lawnmower. Is it going to crack? That top tube is THIN, and yeah sorry, the situation of the lawnmower happens. Also, there's been a lot of behind the scenes shots of pros holding snapped frames after crashes. They get a new one from the team car, we sit and whimper. Not hating, just worried about the actual real world factors and these race machines. And run the GP5k, you can't feel the difference in alleged speed, but you can with the punctures.....
… but the Corsa Pros are more puncture resistant, at least according to the bicycle rolling resistance.
I hear you on the frame weight. Thankfully it’s been good so far.
when comparing two bikes with the exact same frame geometry, how does one determine that one handles better than the other?
Love my SL7. I don't see much advantage in going to SL8 unless you are going to be doing serious racing.
I am not sure why are you not a Specialized ambassador! It makes no sense. I get you feature other bikes but that would be even better benefit for them since you clearly like specialized better. If I may suggest something…. I highly recommend you get your hands on a dogma f to test ride it, it might give you even better understanding of your sl8. I owned it recently for few months, there isn’t a better bike to ride feeling wise than dogma f . It’s just molds to your body. Its not that impressive in low speeds but somehow when it gets up to speed it’s marvelous ride. I got back to sl7 and now sl8 and even though I still miss riding dogma I never feel like I want to switch back. But what I learn from dogma helped me understand my sl8 better. Very hard to explain until you try them. Cheers
Thanks! I wouldn't say I particularly like Specialized better, it's just what a lot of us ride around here. I could easily make the case to swap the the Crux for the Allied Echo- that's probably my favorite do-it-all bike for my riding style.
I hear that a lot about the Dogma F- I'll keep trying to track one down for a comparison.
I have giant advanced sl, I am pushing it for 10 years before upgrading. I think I like the sound of the SL7 based on your review. Ride quality is more important to me.
Just did 200 miles on the SL8 and it was great- no complaints.
GP5000 S TR! What front light do you utilize on your early morning rides on the SL8?
Noted! It's a Knog PWR 600 lumen.
The car analogy is surely the wrong way round. The SL8 is more compliant than the SL7 - that was one of the issues people,had with it
riding sl7 comp and now bought the sl8..let´s see in few weeks what i think
Nice!
Does anyone know if Spezialized has stopped manufacturing Sworks SL7 frames? Are they already impossible to get? thank you
I received an email the other day saying the SL6 and SL7 were 15-20% off. I’d assume they’re available.
Sl7 was combination of venge in the front and tarmac on the back. With sl8 its venge in the front and aethos on the back. So sl8 has nothing left from tarmac heritage 😢
How do you like the Enve 2.3 & 4.5 as a combo? I’m considering this exact same setup myself, but I’m curious if I should just get 3.4s and save the money on the 2nd wheel set. Thoughts?
3.4's are probably the sweet spot, but I haven't ridden them. I will say that I really enjoy 2.3's and the 4.5's. The 2.3's spin up so quickly and descend incredibly well.
Great review!
Thanks!
Considering an SL8 upgrade after recently crashing and writing off my sworks aethos. Or should I just get another aethos??!
Personally, I'd go SL8 over Aethos.
Curious about your thoughts on durianrider and modern-era bikes vs bikes from the 90’s to 2010’s. It’s kind of hard to reconcile both of your perspectives on the SL8, given that you’re both serious cyclists, yet are diametrically opposed in your viewpoints. It seems like there is little to no conclusive evidence that modern bikes perform better than previous generation bikes, which is a point in durianrider’s favor. I also agree with him on the point that the trend is moving towards making bikes more comfortable. It seems to me like durianrider is something of a purist - he is very focused on performance and doesn’t care for things that don’t improve it. Having owned a 2010’s era bike (Cannondale CAAD9), I at times have similar feelings as durianrider when I compare it to the CAAD13 - the modern CAAD is bigger, less stiff, slower handling, and more comfortable, but it’d be hard to say objectively which bike is faster. While I appreciate the increased comfort of the modern bike, at times I miss the “raw” feeling of the old bike. This nostalgia is the reason I got my Aethos, which, to me, feels like a CAAD9 on steroids. But what seems to be at the heart of the matter when it comes to bikes and what we prefer, isn’t objective performance, but rather, subjective feeling. It’s the same thing with cars (but with cars, there is much more objective data in terms of performance).
Gosh, I’m probably not the right person to offer an opinion here. First, I’ve never watch a Durianrider video- I only recently heard about him with the SL8 release. I’m sure he has some great videos, the algorithm just hasn’t planted them in my feed yet. Second, the oldest bike I’ve ridden was a 2006 Roubaix and that was 10+ years ago, when I wasn’t paying much attention to feel and handling. In other words, I don’t have the history with bikes dating back as far as you’re mentioning.
I understand the comparison to cars and you might be on to something there… but I will say that we might have reached a performance plateau a few years ago and we’ve only made marginal gains since, at least in terms of the bike.
These are thought provoking questions. Good stuff.
@@outdoorbros_ I don’t have the history either, the 2010 CAAD is the oldest road bike I’ve ridden. But it’s recent experience, and this is why I can make judgements on the old bike vs. new. I actually disagree a fair amount with durianrider’s views, especially on diet, but he’s quite knowledgeable and experienced with bikes, and his criticisms of the bike industry are in large part valid. I think it’s kind of interesting how the changes in the bike industry track pretty closely with cars - the trend is towards bigger, more comfortable, less rough edges. The modern car/bike may be objectively faster, but older generation cars/bikes have a handling feel that can’t be matched, due largely to their lower weight and smaller geometry. It’s why so many people prefer the older generation M3, WRX STI/EVO, etc. to the modern versions.
How tall are you? What size tires do you run? What wheels are you using? How is the riding posture with the cockpit vs bar + stem?
6'0, 28mm and 30mm tires, 4.5's, 2.3's and 40/44's. My fitter would have the rest of the info.
@@outdoorbros_ thanks brother
SL7! If performance wise they are very similar, why not going with the better looking? Thanks
Fair point!
Again I say this with absolute confidence and certainty that he is the only RUclipsr I trust to give a valid and accurate review of the SL8
Thanks! Those are big shoes to fill.
I just landed with my frame to be assembled. A guy wants to buy my beloved ethos. Shall I sell? So you think that the aethos should stay or it can be easily replaced by the sl8?
I’d sell, but that’s just me.
@@outdoorbros_ sold :)
SL7. Because I just replaced my Sworks SL5 with a Sworks SL7 and I love it. Also just like for cars, I'd rather buy the last year of a proven, reliable and well optimized design, rather than take the risk of buying a 1st year design. If you've worked in manufacturing you know what I mean. 😅
This is my struggle! I do think the sl8 needs a year before I go for it. Right now I’m looking at a rival sl7 for a smoking deal.
Totally get it. Part of the fun of this channel is buying and testing the latest gear. If I didn’t have the channel, my thought process might be different.
With the ‘white paper’ on the aero benefits of the one piece cockpit verses the previous two piece SL7 cockpit I wonder if they tested it in real world conditions with both set ups running an out front head unit? My question is based on a hunch that the head unit negates any meaningful difference in aero performance of the one pice set up.
Probably true!
I wonder how'd you score an Aethos against the SL7 and SL8 in terms of handling and ride quality.
I prefer the sport++ feeling of the SL7 and SL8, so I’d score it higher. Ride quality of the Aethos is hard to beat.
Thanks for an incredibly helpful comparison of the SL7 vs 8! I own a S-Works Aethos custom build with a Roval Alpinist cockpit and ENVE 4.5ARs. Absent trying the Tarmac, I love the Aethos and its ride quality. Most of my riding is in the mountains in the summer (mostly solo riding) and the flats (on marginal roads in a group rides) during the balance of the year. Performance-wise, I’m a reasonably speedy 50ish masters cyclist @~4w/kg. Do you think I’d gain much more performance on the flats with an SL8, or for your money, would you just own one or the other (Aethos or SL8 but not both)? Thanks!
How do you compare the SL8 to the Enve Melee? Does the Melee feel as fast as the new SL8?
The stiffness of the Melee feels a lot like the SL8. I need to jump back onto a Melee to compare the speed of both.
@@outdoorbros_ need a vs video
Surely enough a famous australian cyclist and youtuber already craked his Tarmac SL8 (handlebars probably twisted and hit the frame) but do you feel like the SL8 is outrageously fragile or brittle? Although I'm aware that these bikes are very fragile, my Venge 2019 in Carbon 11r already feels brittle and soft and I don't want to be even more stressed with this 12r SL8. What are your thoughts!
It doesn't "feel" brittle, but the seat stays are VERY thin. I'm not anxious to fly with it, if that's any indication of how I feel.
First unbiased review!....Aethos over the SL7 and SL8 lol
Fair!
Sl8. Sl7s are not discounted enough to make up for the loss on the selling end in a few years. Also, I want the matte. There is an Sl7 in carbon satin but I’d like to try the new force. I sold my previous bike so the upgrade won’t hurt as much lol. All in all I want the latest because I’ll keep for a generation or two.
Fair points!
I got the sl8 frame while with my wife. She went furious and said that it is exactly the same as my current bike, and I have an aethos :)))))
Hahaha! How do you like it?
@@outdoorbros_ I love it
Stupid question maybe, would a size 54 Sl7 be too small for me maybe ? I’m 180 cm high
Great video😊
I'd get a proper bike fit prior to dropping $$$$ on a bike like this. On paper, it might work, but you don't want to be wrong.
Does it means, the new allez sprint is better performance vs value(?)
I think the Allez has always been a better value.
@@outdoorbros_ maybe you should do some comparisons on allez sprint vs sl7 vs sl8 mate, so that it could accommodate the majority of every cyclist (experienced, newbie, & maybe someone who wants to start cycling with tight budget)
@@fidelisprayudha I’d love to. If I can get access to an Allez, I’ll do it.
@@outdoorbros_ hope it’ll be mate! Really loved your reviews as a regular cyclist 🤝
@@fidelisprayudha thanks, much appreciated.
I’m hearing the SL8 is super delicate.
Are there broken ones circling the internet?
@@outdoorbros_
durianrider cracked his. But honestly he’s to be taken like a grain of sand.
Is the Vittoria going to be reliable on a 200 miler….🤔 Btw, I run the Pro One TLE for racing and every day use (25 on DT Swiss ARC1100 48’s) fast, and no punctures! 👍
Thankfully, it proved to me reliable.
Venge with a speed sniffer, super deep fork blades, tad bit more compliance but just a tad
Or I'd maybe consider a version of the SL8 with SL7 rear end
I think it has a lot more compliance than the Venge- that thing is stiff.
I bought a Tarmac SL7 in a sale and I think that was its worth not the original price. I didn’t like the Roval C38 running dura ace C36 tubeless 25c. I’ll wait to the SL8 goes on sale in a few years
Maybe the total package wasn’t worth it, but the frame is solid.
Operation "just another black bike" with your spouse hits VERY close to home, ha
SL7 for me. A friend has the SL8 and I just can’t get around that headtube speedsniffer nose extension they’ve done. Looks totally out of proportion unless the stem is completely slammed and even then it still looks stupid.
Doesn’t bother me much any longer.
I would stick with GP 5K S TR, I'm not a Vittoria fan
GP5000’s have been the best.
since the sl8 has the wider 42cm versus the sl7 with 40cm do you notice the difference in comfort/speed. thanks
I might have misspoke in the video, both are 40cm bars. I do think that there's a noticeable difference between 42cm and 40cm.
Which bike are you riding for LOTOJA next week?
Whoops...I commented before the end of the video. To answer your question, the tire which avoids punctures the best. For me that is the Conti. I'm actually riding the ENVE tire now (29MM) and I like it a lot. It's holding well.
All good! Definitely SL8. I love the GP5000 TL's, but the S TR's have been hit or miss for me. Corsa Pros might be the ticket.
And GP5000 on the 4.5 wheel set
Noted- thanks!
operation just another black bike gang!
I tried that with my saddle and it didn’t make it one ride without my wife noticing 🤣
Haha, the most covert of ops.
Your wife is on it!
These margins will never make me buy SL8, I'll wait for SL9 or SL10 even.
I get it.
So in your opinion the SL7 is more comfortable? That would at least be the contrary opinion to what Specialized claims to be true…
Not necessarily. I mention ride quality in that the rear end bounces around a bit- not necessarily less comfortable, just more movement.
@@outdoorbros_ Got it, thanks for clarifying! By the way, love your responsiveness to comments. 🙏
@@outdoorbros_ But is it not the equivalent of a more harshly ride???
Or do you mean in a way of less stiffness at the back of the bike?
Your wife didn't notice the new bike? Wtf, why did you tell her??? 😂😜
I dunno… the internet said the SL8 would increase my watts by 125%, so it probably is….😏🙌🏽… btw, you can’t go wrong with the Conti’s…
Only 125%??? haha. Noted on the Conti's- thanks!
The turbo S destroys the GT3 RS “off the line”. Just info. Cheers
Yeah, but I referenced the SL7 as the Turbo S in a previous videos, so I tried to keep it consistent.
The feeling will be complete after 5000 miles not before...
What happens at 5,000 miles?
I think we’re at the level of diminishing returns here. At this level the consumer should buy what they want based on emotion, appearance and feel as these data points released by specialized from a lab are not going to be experienced in the real world from weekend warrior riders. I also wonder if the additional reported aero gains from the new one-piece Roval bar is decreased significantly once any bike computer and/or headlight is mounted on which is how most of us ride. As for me, I built up my dream 2019 S-Works Venge to the 9’s and sticking with it.
I wish I still had my 2019 Venge! Such an excellent bike.
Splitting hairs with these (negligible) updates/upgrades. The new Trek Madone is probably where it's at.
What's the update/upgrade that you love about the new Madone?
I'd rather have the very sweet new madone than anything specialized makes.
@@outdoorbros_ I like that they went away from the isospeed design, I had it on the SLR and I didn't feel like it did anything for my riding, I'm also a fan of the T47 BB.
But I think the main thing the Madone has going for it, is that it's a pure aero race bike & I live in and land of flat roads, so it'll suit my riding I do most of the time. But it also looks so dang good!!! :)
SL7 is waste of money, but 8 is really dumb…questions? No…go for it consumer
Which bike isn't a waste of money?
Any other roadbike build from Titanium, Alloy or Steel, with rim brakes , external cables,BSA BB, mechanical group set, without mono cockpit..everything else is just bike industry scam, slow, hard to maintain and extremely stupid investment and with 8 it just make it to top..
@@GT-sc5skexactly
Porsche track model analogies usually work for these, although if the 8 is that much stiffer (for only 8W gain on a smooth track!) it would be a horrendous ridE on real world crappy roads. Ultimately, these are like iPhones. You can upgrade each time to the shiny new one (guilty in years past), but you really notice the difference more enjoyably when you skip a couple of generations. I like the 8, but I love my SL7 and, not least because it looks better, and I won’t be any faster or comfortable on the 8.
I think - and I mean this as a compliment - that your videos are the ultimate mansplaining. “Why did I drop 5k on a new frame? Let me explain in a beautifully edited video…”. PS we all need a shiny a new toy sometimes, so I might do the bars upgrade as that appears to be the majority of the performance upgrade?
Last thing, I settled on ENVE 3.4s as my all-rounder; how would you rate the enjoyment from having the the sides either side as your main rims?
Have you ridden the 8? I think you’d like it.
@@outdoorbros_ of course I will like it - I knew that even before you bought one and started making content on it :-) Doesn’t change anything I said above though. For the $, I’m happy to skip a generation. If the looks were the equivalent of the Aston V8 Vantage versus the previous model in the early 2000s, or a 911 versus a Boxster, then I’d be tempted on looks alone, all else being equal. But sadly not. Like the horrendous new BMW grill, will it grow on me, or is it the equivalent of the Chris Bangle era Beemers that arguably didn’t really catch on….
I've had several Tarmacs over the years, including an S-Works SL6 and my SL8 Pro is the best bike I've ever owned. Absolutely incredible bike that makes you want to push harder and ride every damn day.
Heck ya!
Hey I have an S Works SL6 and am considering an SL8 Pro. What differences do you notice? Noticeable change/upgrade?
undecided still, but great video.
Right on, thanks!
For me..ride quality trumps handling..i’m not an extreme crit racer/descender..but if money doesn’t matter..I’ll run SL8 with Alpinist CLXii and dura ace
That would be an awesome setup!
Ride the gp5000 super reliable, comfortable if the sl8 is mildly less comfortable
Vittoria Corsa Pros ending up working quite well.
I had the chance to compare both and I think that the sl7 looks a bit dated
Really?
I don't understand your comparison analogy. How many people out there have driven a 911 Turbo S and a GT3 RS? Probably none. So 100% of your viewers have no idea what you are talking about. That is absolutely a ridiculous analogy.
Stephen- not ridiculous at all. I think most who are somewhat familiar with cars understand the performance differences between difference vehicles.