Bike Fitter Ranks Cycling Shoes Worst to Best
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- Choosing the right cycling shoe can be a difficult task. Here's popular shoe brands ranked by bvike fitter James Thomas
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Great start, can we now please get part two with MTB shoes? I'm sure a lot of us are not using road shoes for either gravel bikes or bike packing, hence I think it makes sense for this channel to cover MTB shoes in this instance, even if otherwise more road centric. (Personally I've move over to SPD and MTB Shoes completely, mostly because I didn't want to bother with two pedal systems and shoe types, given that one type already covered 3/4 of my usage anyways.)
SPD here as well. Much better for the cafe stop. I wish brands would make more walkable road centric shoes.
@kangaroochaser hard to do that with large road cleats. However, if they'd adopt a 2-bolt type cleat and used a clipless pedal similar in shape and with spikes like a MTB Enduro pedal, that might be what I think a lot of roadies would be looking for. The extra platform around the clipless latch would give the platform for purchase, while the smaller cleat on the shoe could be mounted on a mtb track shoe, making for better walkability.
I know there's a neodynium magnet cleat & pedal out there right now being marketed towards downhill riders. That'd work I think for bikepackers and others needing clipless just to stay secure but not needing the wide & locked in nature of a road cleat for sprinting.
Ditto what others have said. I’m primarily a bike commuter, utilitarian rider who peripherally follows road cycling and wear an old and falling apart pair of Shimano SPD ‘cycling shoes’ before MTB shoes became a marketing tool. Love the podcast!
as primarily a transport cyclist, my entire shoe aesthetic is cycling shoes that don't look like cycling shoes. I've got Shimano SPD sandals, Chrome SPD sneakers, and Quoc SPD chelsea boots. They're all great, but if you get the Chromes, replace the insole immediately and be ready to void your warranty by cutting more rearward clearance for the cleat
The lake shoes come as CX for road and MX for MTB. Same shoes but with SPD cleat set up
Your comment on the non-neutral stance of the specialized shoes and your suggestion to use a wedge to bring them back to neutral is spot on! I had gotten used to having pain on my right foot, all along the outside of my foot; however, after placing a wedge on the cleat the other way around, to lift the outer side of the shoe, omg, what a difference! no more pain. Thanks!!
I wonder if I can get rid of the varus angle thing, that Specialize incorporates into their sole, by taking a belt sander to the bottom of the shoe. Literally. Sanding the carbon sole. I think it’s stupid that I have to use a plastic varus wedge to correct for a varus angle I. The sole that shouldn’t be there.
How many milimeters is that wedge to put on?
@@marcosdelrio3466 it looks like 1.5mm to nothing on the other end.
Lake 238 advocate here as well. My bike fitter did a great job of properly reviewing my feet, and these were the stand out choice and have never looked back since.
I'm not sure there's a bike shoe wide enough for my flipper-like feet besides the Lake 238
Personally love both my S-Works pairs. Can’t see myself buying anything else in terms of a shoe
Yeh I’ve got sworks torch and recon and find them comfortable
Went from sidi to s-works vent for a bit more width and air flow, but have nothing but numbness and hotspots. Guess Lake is the next option
@@thegarage4570 it might be the arch or that metatarsal button thing that Specialize advertises as alleviating hot spots. I had a pair of Specialized shoes and it actually helped me to dump their insoles. Or possibly, could it be that varus can’t thing that’s causing you probs?
@@AJXOXO-vz1pn I compared my spec to the sidi’s. The sidi, 2007ish carbon millennium 3’s looks to be a smidge wider, which is odd. Numbness starts at the pinky on both feet and moves inward. Has to be the shoes. I did not know about the varus thing when I bought them, my fault.
I'll agree with the wearing SIDI too long. But when you are spending 300USD for a pair, they better last a long time.
Lol - My S-Works are the best shoes Ive ever had. Fantastic. The "neutrality" causes absolutely zero issues. Even after 7 hours sportives, my feet, knees etc are all absolutely fine.
Same. I tried multiple brands and the S-Works fit me the best.
Bike fitter preaches that there’s no one fits all but then slags off shoes that might fit some people…
One more for S-Works.
S-Works is the Best. No Problems since I use them.
Why pay so much for a shoe from a non-shoe brand, with the least amount of shoe manufacturing experience.
James hates both my saddle and my shoes! But the Pro Stealth fits my bum perfectly, and Specialized shoes match my feet so well, that I have their shoes for every discipline I ride (admittedly compared only to Giro, the other brand I've owned)
if it fits and is comfortable, who cares? Everyone is unique. It's not like he's gonna hunt you down and replace your kit with selle italia and lakes :V
Same about the shoes, I tried many shoes and specialized were by far my favorite. Tried giros,Fizik, van rysels. I guess you and I are the rare people with the foot deformity!
He hates my s-works shoes and Power saddle lol! Both are good for me by the way 🙂
Same here man. Love the Fizik Arione VS and my S-Works Lace road shoes lol
S-Works shoes are the ONLY shoes that feel good on my feet. I like James and all... but I wish he wouldn't trash my shoes.
Love the S-Works shoes. Have been wearing them for road and gravel for YEARS! No problems whatsoever.
Agree I love my 4 pairs!
Kangaroo numbers have exploded in Australia due to farms providing water during drought periods when numbers used to plummet. Don’t feel bad about finding something useful to do with some of the excess.
Also used for motorcycle leathers... hard wearing and the choice for upper models...
My Sworks shoes incredible fits me like a glove wouldn't wear anything else!!
Exactly the same!
Same! Love mine as well
Why are you wearing shoes on your hands? ;)
Same here - 2gen was terrible and had to send for warranty they returned the money. 3rd gen is perfect shoe.
@@rhuggins573fits like a sock then 😂
I've been cycling for 30 years, and have only worn Specialized shoes since they fit me the best AND I have bowed legs. I started out just MTB'ing, but have road biked for 20+ years. I also played hockey for 20+ years, so it's amazing my knees and hips haven't blown out yet.
Lake for me - wonderful fit through accurate sizing
Right - Lake are hard to shop, but if you measure your foot properly and email them they will recommend something that fits pretty much perfectly.
As an owner of 3 pairs of specialized shoes, imagine my grimace in the opening seconds of this video 😂. Anyway, I love the this type of content and respect James’s knowledge of what works and what doesn’t for the majority of riders out there!
Been for fits, bought shoes and bikes with Bicycle. I am able to put out more power, for longer periods on various terrain thanks to the time spent with James and the team.
If you don’t need the external support to get comfortable riding or help and advice to buy the right bike, power to you. When I’m making big purchasing decisions however, I’ll always call these guys.
I started doing longer rides this year & my feet started hurting really bad. I switched from my super expensive Giro Empire SLXs to my “cheap” Shimano [nomenclature]-E WIDE shoes. I usually wear the wide shoes with thick socks ONLY in Winter. Switching shoes allows me to add ~20miles more to the ride. Also DITCHING the Pro Stealth saddle was the best thing EVER! After a few hundred Ks the minimally gripped surface wears off and one just slides around, it like the SLXs are for racing short distances not for endurance riding. Moral of the story don’t go blowing money on all the latest kit, when comfort is the name of the game in the long run.
Switched from Bont to Lake, and am so much happier. If your foot is not only wide, but splays when you step down, as mine does, Bont's "bathtub" sole design can create problems. That part is not heat moldable. Lakes are so much more forgiving, and totally worth the cost for my feet.
Same, bought 2 Bont's as the first was too small and narrow being on the border line in widths, no money back for the first. lo and behold the second ones were too small as well even with lots of heat molding. Finally they are starting to fit after perseverance. That said when I have any injuries I revert straight back to my Lake's for the most comfort.
Advice for anyone considering Bont, order the next size up.
No mention of DMT shoes. What’s James’s opinion on them?
I have one pair, I think they are the best!
I think dmt are fantastic personally. The knit construction means that they fit a huge range of foot shapes without any numbness or pressure points. A shame they’re so expensive
I love my Lake 238 shoes with G8 3-4 orthotics. Their online fitting system is really good. It’s funny that I wear an 11E dress shoe but the 238 regular fits perfectly. A friend asked why I didn’t opt for the 333 or 403, and I had to respond, they’re either too narrow or too wide. I came over from Bonts which were great for the plan shape of my foot but the arch was crazy low for me. I had used Superfeet arches in the highest version and still too low.
How does DMT sizing compare to Fizik? I have 45.5 on Fizik, should I get 45.5 for a KR0?
@@user-ki9gs9sx8u I think they fit pretty similarly, true to size length wise and a bit on the narrow side
Great review and for me I recently got a bike fit and also during rides got a line of pain on the outside of my right foot with a pair of sidi shoes , especially on long rides.
I now have the Lake 238 in the wide and no more pain...😊👍
I had a pair of the Giro tech lace shoes, and he's right, they were awesome. I actually had them for about three years before one of the boas broke. I called Giro to see if there was any way to fix the boa, and do you know what they did? They sent me a pair of brand new Empire shoes to replace them. And yes, I told them how long I had the Tech Lace shoes. Amazing customer service, and I happen to love these Empire shoes. I live in Florida and the fact that they are so light and breathe so well is a major plus. Also, why would I need to retie my shoes while I'm riding? I'm not a pro racer, so I don't need to tighten them for the sprint. They're sharp looking shoes, super comfortable, and I love them.
Good to know. Many thanks. We need as much venting as possible here in Florida....
Still rocking some giro empire slx lace ups. Probably the most comfortable cycling shoes I've had and lasting a long time. Super light super comfy. Only had to get the tongue reattached once. Most shoes are too narrow but not spending a fortune on Bont.
I like the Shimano S-Phyre RC903 shoes specifically because they're narrow. I have a narrow, low volume foot and these are the best cycling shoes I've ever had
I have literally just ordered these. Got a foot scan and I have low arches and low volume feet so hoping they work for me.
I hate Shimano shoes for the same reason.
Used many brands or shoes. Sworks, Bontrager, Shimano, Lakes, Giant and so on. The one I love the most that works for me that’s comfortable, carbon sole and just supports so well is VeloKicks. Ordered them and I couldn’t be happier.
I am nearly as far from flatfooted as one can get. Bont shoes with custom made insoles is a perfect combination for me.
I second that, bont by far is the most comfortable shoes for me
Lake cx238! After Fizik r1's & then Shimano S-Phyre's both strangled the ball of my foot almost to the point of breaking, I was guided towards the 238 in regular width to give room to my regular width feet!
S-works are the best shoes. The 1mm forefoot varus makes rock all difference, compared to the sidis and lakes which are unwearable due to their arrowhead toe box.
I reckon the S-works torch also has the most rearward cleat position of any shoe.
For you. Shoes more than most things are very, very subjective so giving a broad opinion on them is always going to alienate quite a few people.
No, they are the best shoes for *you*. The best shoe is the one that fits you, and not someone else. No matter brand.
The shoes are cool and all, but I wouldn't mind a short focused on that Stelbel, what a beauty!
Lake 238s. Best fitting cycling shoes I've ever worn. I wore Specialized shoes for a while and hated them. I tried Sidis, and that was a huge mistake. Wore a pair of Shimano's but they were just too narrow. Giro Factor ACCs were pretty good but couldn't match my Lake shoes.
Good info, thanks. I especially appreciate James noting which shoes are a narrow fit. I'm sporting a pair of B/C width with an A heel.
I have had multiple pairs of S-Works shoes & I've loved every pair. I wouldn't buy anything else. Never had any issues whatsoever 🤷🏼♂️
I found Lake from your channel, and I’ve used the CX 332 for 4 years end have never move to other brand..they just works 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
If your Time shoes are feeling sloppy, you just need to replace the insoles, which they sell pretty reasonably priced. I have the original Wires and a new pair of Shots, there is no discernible difference in terms of foot hold or comfort between the two (the Wires are at least 15 years older). Time makes shoes that last made in Italy, don't settle for any imposters. They even sell replacement parts kits for them.
Having tried many of the shoes mentioned here, my current and absolute favourite is the Specialized brand. The more recent models have more room in the toe box area than previously and are very comfortable. I wouldn’t use anything else right now!
Has James done anything about using MTB shoes for road riding and any disadvantages? For longer touring being able to walk in your bike shoes is so valuable
And SPD mountain shoes give you a much better range of cleat placement. I can place my SPD cleats further back on my Sidi MTB shoes than the Sidi road shoes.
Lake shoes. Thanks for making shoes for larger feet, 48 and above. Famous for wide range of sizings. But, they go directly from a 48 to a 50, no in between. Maddening! It’s such a huge difference in sizes.
I love James' videos like this one that help consumers narrow down the overwhelming options for things like shoes at a level deeper than, "These are pretty" or "These are the most expensive and the pros ride them, thus they are the best". Two thumbs up. 👍👍
Lake CX 238-X (wide version) are the best shoes for my foot. Very durable and super comfortable!
I have a narrow foot and really like the fit of Sidi shoes so I doubt I will go to any other brand
Same here!
@@bicivini and they last forever
Always worn Sidi.
@@troycollett8540 absolutely! Rode them as a Pro in the 90s and still buying them now. Best road shoes, for narrow feet, forward cleat position if you like to kick and super stable. Plus spare parts always available. Cheers mate 🙌🏽
do you believe that the problem you highlighted with the specialized (i have the s-works vent) can be solved with insoles?
great video by the way, very clear instructions, thank you!
Sells Lake in his shop, what's the best shoe mate? Lake 👍
I would love to see a budget shoe (sub £100) series like the budget bike videos. Especially for wide fit!
Agree on Lake. These are so good, I have bought CX302 (summer shoe) and have 2 spare new pairs in the cupboard and I also bought a CX332 for the usual season when my current CX302s look too filthy. I just don’t think I will find a better fit so every time I see them on special, I pick up a pair!
I started on Specialised the shop sold me shoes too big to accommodate my broard foot. I learnt about Lake on this channel. Went for a fitting at my local stockist, like putting your foot into a good fitting glove. .
Love this type of content but I feel like I've seen this exact video like 3-4 times already (Specialized, Shimano, Fizik, Lake etc). I would love to hear James and your thoughts about DMT, Rapha, Quoc, Nimbl and any other newer shoe brands /makes out there! I'm using the Raphas for road and Quocs for gravel-- love to get your takes!
Lake wearer here, on my second pair. Blummin' lovely, especially now my (newer) 242's were ordered after I got measured by a Lake fitter. Amazingly comfortable after very long rides.
242user here, they are so hard to find with local distributors, but the comfort is next level, g8 insoles is a massive upgrade too
@@esbdemesa9427 I got measured by Graeme Veevers in Liverpool, then ordered online. My insoles were custom made by Sidas. Insanely lovely.
Another very happy Lake user here; I wear size 46 EU/ 12 US and the wide option is great.
What is James’ opinion on Nimbl shoes?
I'm rocking a shimano rx8 in wide with 1.5 size smaller than my normal shoe size and for a race shoe it's amazing. I eventually had to pickup something for bikpacking and the shimano ge5 in normal shoe size is plenty wide, comfortable and efficient. I did want to try lake someday but happy where I'm at.
You know what I love about bike fit James? EVERYTHING
I went through months of Physio to resolve peroneal tendinitis caused by ankle supination. The guy at my bike shop tried to fit me with specialized shoes but thanks to your videos, I knew to pass. I went with lake and they’re perfect for me.
tried ~ 7 shoes with all kinds of issues - mostly due to wider feet... took a plunge into some Lake Custom shoes and have never had issues since... measure your feet, pick the last, and colors and bam -- no more issues. after so many years struggling, i don't even think about my feet on rides anymore.
I’d love to see James do videos on shoes for the two ends of the spectrum wide and narrow feet. As someone with an A width foot it’s hard to find any shoe that fits. Bike shops don’t have a great range of brands or really know anything about shoe fit, so ordering is your best option. At their price point you’d like to get it as right as possible.
After going through a few different Shimano's, I found VeloKicks and couldn't be happier.
Def worth pointing out that for some people Specialized shoes are amazing
I bought a pair of Answer Manitou SPD shoes in 2000. They lasted years of hard mtb use.. other shoes came and went.. the Answer refused to die. When they were looking knackered and the shank finally snapped I binned them last year.. they didn't smell.. the glue and side stitch was still holdiing things together.. just amazing.
Sidi - bad
Giro - bad
Shimano - bad
S-Works - very good. I using 3 pairs right now.
Oh dear, just started watching this and the very first shoe is the specialized. The only shoes I've ever had are specialized and I suffer from hot foot! Could it really be the shoes!?
My flat, narrow feet combined with a maligned patella make the s-works shoes a godsend. They have corrected my knee pain have been super comfortable even after a long day at Unbound Gravel.
One thing I'll add that i tell a lot of my customers:
The stock insoles are pretty minimal. Especially if you have high arches, insoles that fit your feet are a must. Spent way too long finding this out.
I wish they were as flashy as some others, but I like Bontrager.
Especially when they put the BOA dial on the heel - making it easier to adjust while riding; especially when wearing shoe covers.
Super handy video - my first year seriously cycling, on pace for 2000mi, still on flats! I have flat feet and wanted to finally go clipless, these insights are very helpful
I have a bunion on my right foot, left foot is normal. I've started using the Shimano SH-IC501 indoor cycling shoe for my gravel (rail trails mainly) bike. This shoe is incredibly comfortable, breathable, and actually comfortable when walking around. The upper has a enough flex to accommodate my bunion, yet still feels supportive on my left foot. I'm not too concerned about durability - they seem well made, and my last pair of Shimano shoes lasted for years.
I rode Sidi for decades before trying a mid range Shimano RP7…no more tingling toes now, and they fit like a glove.
Absolutely happy with my Giro Cadets...I literally tried every pair in my lokal bike shop, and finally this one was oerfect for me, sooo comfortable...
S Works shoes are superb. I’ve had Gaerne/DMT/Sidi/Giro/Nimbl/Bont
S Works, way better. Giro second.
I like my LG and Carnac shoes. They left out quite a few brands I wanted to know more about. I'd like to see more ankle support, which might help power transfer too, and designs that are more road and mtb friendly. I'd spend more to use the same pair. I was considering top-end S-works MTB for this solution.
I had a pair of Specialized shoes and couldn't figure out why they felt like they were pushing me to the side, now I understand. Looks like I need to find a pair of Lakes to try on...
I went with James recommendation about Lake shoes 2 years ago. Got me the 238Wide for mtb (gravel) and paired it with the G8Performance sole kit. Haven't looked back. I've never been so comfortable in a riding shoe in my life. Im now getting a pair of dedicated road shoe as well. Lake's the best out there imo.
been using lake cx332 for years and recently change to RC903. its definitely better choice for racing and aero, but for daily use or training lake is GOAT.
also should talks about nimbl. tried nimbl ultimate before i bought RC903, slightly wider fit. i think thats the most comfortable and stable shoe i ever tried on. althought the price is crazy and quality not as good as i expected(they made in italy huh)
NIMBL, super light hand made and very comfortable
Here is my take: Wolftooth Waveform (small) and a good flat pedal shoe, like Ride Concepts. Its the setup I've got on my gravel bike. If you absolutely have to clip in, go with a good SPD compatible pedal and then your options for shoes drastically increase (plus the shoes are more walkable).
Curious on James' thoughts on Ekoi's shoe range and their experimental new pedal/cleat system?
Yeah, Northwave!
Lake 242 is like 238 but with better ventilation and foot adaptability, mildly wet weather protection is not as good as expected due to huge vents but ill just bring my shoe covers even in the summer 😂😂
For an everday 'walkable' shoe: Lake MX238 XC. Comfortable, practical, sleek, and hard wearing.
Only grip: could be slightly lighter.
Have worn all but bont, settled on s works due to quality of the shoe, lake although comfy just aren’t as well made
Any company planning to sell individual shoes? For those of us with different size feet?
Bont might do this. I think it's called semi-custom. Not cheap, but worked for me...
Lake actually does this with a upcharge of 75€, you can choose different lenght, width and even color for the same pair
I use Bont Vapor's with a G8 insole which I chose on James' recommendation. The G8 is an absolute gamechanger for any shoe and I love the wider toe box of a Bont compared to just about any other shoe on the market bar Nimble
Different strokes for different folks - all my bikes are Specialized so really tried to love the S-Works but they pinch my feet at all the wrong places. Fiziks are always too narrow so it's Shimano's for me ❤❤ - RC9s, RC7s, XC7s, and MTs (spd) all fit like a glove right out of the box
100% agree with the GIro review. I had the original Empires which although heavy felt supportive and have been exceptionally long lasting. The new ones with this ultra-lightweight material are a shadow of their former selves.
I'll be trying the new Trek Velocis as a next shoe as they look spot on.
Wow! I had a good laugh with the stiletto bike shoe.
You should totally try a long ride with them ❤
Just got myself a pair of Lake. Best ever, worth every penny. No more pain in my feet and knee🤙🏻
thanks to your channel and james i found lake and even if they are not cheap I finally found shoes that fit my wide feet without having to go 2 sizes up.
Thus I am very happy with my lake cx238 wide and cx242 Wide that fit me without having to go sizes up.
Also worth bearing in mind that, whilst Lake are pricey, they regularly do significant discounts from their direct sales. As long as you have a weird foot size and don't care what colour you get: Winning!
S-works mtb shoe destroyed my knees in 4 months. I had no idea about the built in wedge. When I went for a fit at Retul in Boulder, CO (specialized) I found out. I haven't worn the shoes since. It's taken nearly two years to recover due to the tendonopathy that I developed in time frame.
Sad.
I have Mavic gravel shoes and I love them! They are by far my favorite. For road, Fizik is my favorite as well. They have been great for me for years.
I purchases a pr of Lake Mx219's and their the best piece of equipment I own. I was a pro hiking guide for 30 yrs., have run a dozen marathons, and ride mt and road, so taking care of me feet is very important. These work equally well on and off-road, since I like to be able to walk around, do hike a bikes, etc. so I run xt platform pedals. These shoes are very well made, and the only brand I'm aware that has a wide enough shoe to allow feet to spread and splay enough for people with wider feet. They breath well, allow for a more reward cleat attachment, have good traction outsole, (along w carbon inner one). I've also had pretty good luck communicating and getting info from Lake, so for me, the price is worth the comfort, health of my feet, and being able to apply more power.
Perfect fitting shoes for my (skinny) feet:
- Vittoria Tiera with laces (narrower than Sphires)
- Sidi Dragon 5 SRS
- Fizik road shoes (langaroo leather - Needed to downsize for those).
I would love to see James review the Shimano SPD sandal. I've got a pair that are my main cycling shoe for most of the year, and the breathability of a sandal in hot weather cannot be beat.
The big plus for the (confusing) Lake range is that they offer the same fits on road and MTB. If you once got fitted to „your“ CX model, you can be pretty sure the MX model will fit you.
Interesting to hear about shoes with cleats that are more rearward, as my current ones always feel to far forward, namely, I'm constantly trying to push my foot forwards in the shoe.
I started out with Shimano and ended up injuring my foot due to the toe box being too narrow. I switched to Northwave on the advice of my podiatrist and have been wearing them ever since. I did try a high end S-Works shoe for a bit coz I had friends raving about them but they never felt comfortable to me and I started getting knee pain that I'd not experienced before.
Love my SWorks shoe. Have had Sidi, Giro and Shimano. S Works by far the best for lightweight, comfort on long rides, stiffness and putting power down.
My Lakes give me pins and needles...Shimano, not so much. Spesh were fabulous
shimano rc-7 [wide] and xc-5 [wide] are my best case scenario for my fat feet. selle italia SLR BOOST TM SUPERFLOW [130mm] is on all my bikes as well.
As always love all the info and I am Lake being I have wide feet. Do you feel the new MX30G mesh version gives enough support? Thanks, Brian
James we need a virtual fit damn it ! I’m in the USA
Well done lads. One day il get to London and when I do, I'm definitely booking in for a fit with James. How knowledgeable is that lad!! (as well as sounds like he'd be a great laugh at the pub later)
Yea iv fallen in love with Bont's. Got 4 pairs now. A pair of Vapor S+, 2x Riots and a pair of Riot MTB shoes. Thankfully when you live in New Zealand stock is easy to get, sorry to hear its not the same in the UK. Iv got a wide foot, so they fit me great. Id agree with James that they suit a flatter foot. Thankfully I had some custom insoles made for me years ago to deal with my higher arches. Iv got a bit of experience in composites, so have used those custom insoles to make carbon fiber insoles for each pair of shoes. Iv had mates ask me how much to make them a pair.
I had a lot of issues with my feet and since I bought my Lake shoes, I have no more pain.
I wish you had a store in NYC
I own a pair of cx238 lake's. Went to try out new shoes, but there is just no alternative to lake. You can just find one that fits and you have to make no compromises.
Ive got arthritis in my right big toe from years of martial arts. Ive tried very brand if shoe and found Northwave to fit the best