This set is awesome because there aren’t any crazy busted chase cards that speed commander up too much, just some cool cards and cute creatures. I hope bloomburrow’s success while not having any overly pushed cards tells wizards that they dont need to push new cards to sell packs, they just need to create cool sets
I don't see anyone mentioning Hunter's Talent, it's by far the card that has been slotted into the 99 of my decks the most. It's a bite, it pumps and gives trample, and gives card draw. Insane card. Also fits with your discussion of strong 2 drops in the set. Thickest in the Thicket is also really good for +1/+1 counter decks and power matters decks, and The Master Multiplied absolutely loves Echoing Assault.
I am trying out Perch Protection in my Jinnie Fay deck because of the added token synergies, we’ll see how it goes. There’s also a theoretical potential to cast this while having a Trouble In Pairs out to stop the extra turn. It’s a testing for sure
Funny thing with Perch Protection in the late game, gift the extra turn to someone right before they die. They can't take an extra turn if they're dead 😂
@@edhdeckbuilding I think it's the "King Maker" aspect that he objects to. You might think the guy who is doing horribly can't turn that extra turn into a win, but you're far less likely to be correct than you realize.
1:24:56 on playing with Perch Protection, it's absolutely 50/50 on picking the right player to take the extra turn, but in the Peace Offering precron that has 3 separate "You win the game" cards, protecting them and your board has come in pretty clutch for me, and that 8 power among 4 bodies can be pretty hard to block if you swing. The birds have won me games
At Magiccon Amsterdam there were parallel meet n greets for Jimmy and Josh, and Rachel. We chose JnJ but it was a terrible choice to have to make. At some point I need to get a Rachel signed Magfa, Hoardmaster. Look at the art and tell me it's not her.
On the discussion of Perch Protection, I actually do have Eon Frolicker in my Kros Goad deck and it too has won me games. The trick is to gift the extra turn to the most aggro player on the table, since their deck is the one least likely to kill you at instant speed once you come back. Also, because I’m a Goad player, I can dictate who is swinging where, thus ensuring the aggro player won’t be coming at me (at least until everyone else is dead).
I see Perch Protection being the kind of spell when someone else is way ahead and about to win but you can gift an extra turn to another player who can use it to take them out and let the other 3 back in
They kept talking about the extra turn and you phasing out with four 2/2 as if you're only ever casting this proactively. But isn't the point here that you still use it as an expensive version of Teferi's protection? -> To protect against a toxic deluge or farewell or even worst case as a fog?
I pulled. It from my collector booster in one of the precon. Wasn’t thinking about it much and put it in a binder… I JUST (yesterday) entered my GY overdrive deck in Moxfield…. Gotta go back and put that card in that deck. Can give you 3 cards if you damage 3 opponents… it IS a pretty amazing card!
Octomancer in Volo, Guide to monsters is absolutely cracked! You can have them copy the token copy of octomancer that entered that turn and end up with at least 4 of them. Then every turn you get extra copies of any creature you cast with Volo out.
12:28 The thing I love about Gift in general is that it will make players think about what they're getting and not so much about downsides, which is what we (and by we I mean "people who like to play white a lot") were already doing. It's nice to hear the same arguments that I (and others) used to defend cards like Secret Rendezvous used again to praise Gifts. And in case it wasn't clear, I looove Gifts, Jolly Gerbis might be my fave card of the set+edh set
all my friends say I'm stupid for playing rendezvous and cut a deal in monowhite, but they said they found the Gift mechanic very interesting. My face said it all.
I love Pollywog Prodigy, it rewards you for curving out with creatures. I don't think it's stronger than 2 drop ramp or makes it less powerful, but some decks want 2 drop ramp while others will want 2 drop creatures. Everything isn't homogeneous and their effectiveness doesn't have to be exclusive. While Ledger Shredder probably is too strong, I like all the other 2 drop value creatures we've been getting and I want more of them so there's actually a decent probability of having one in my opening hand or drawing into it by turn 2.
I played Perch Protection in the un-upgraded Peace Offering precon to protect my Tamiyo for a turn cycle so I could cast its ultimate, definitely worth the extra turn in that case. Holding the mana open doesn't even look that suspicious with Ms. Bumbleflower.
Mockingbird is great in Zinnia bc the tax on offspring counts towards its manna cost, also zinnia is great for bouncing things back to hand which mockingbird usually wants if you want to copy something else.
One more thing about Perch Protection, you can gift the turn to someone who is about to die. They can't use the turn, you peace out and come back with some birds
This set wasn’t on my radar at ALL until I noticed Innkeeper’s Talent, for $3 at the time it was a steal…then it jumped up to like $20 in a day and I picked one up before it went any higher. This video has opened my eyes to a ton of great cards. Thank you!
This was my most wanted card from the set. I got 2 foils during the initial dip at $1 each. I was sure they wouldn't arrive when they shor up the next day, but I got them.
Mockingbird instantly found a home in my Volo, Guide to Monsters deck. There aren't that many good Bards in Magic, and being able to pay X to copy two separate things on the battlefield but with flying is very nice, and it beats out Birds of Paradise as just another mana dork (when we have so many mana dorks). Other Bloomburrow highlights include Scrap Shooter (raccoons and archers are both thin on the ground so this does great without overlapping with other types) and Tender Wildguide, which won the elusive Druid spot in my deck because it's potentially 4 mana for 4 mana dorks that can get bigger if they're not doing anything better.
These are my favorite kinds of videos! It’s always nice knowing what to generally look for in terms of value and how to evaluate these kinds of cards when they are at a table. In a way, this is a great way to learn threat assessment for new sets! Also, thank you again Rachel for signing my Sidisi, Brood Tyrant at Gencon!
Definitely agree that targeted removal and or any spells or abilities that target are becoming insufficient mostly due to ward. But, I think that cards like soul shatter, make an example, sheoldred’s edict, unexplained absence, olorin’s searing light, shadowgrandge archfiend, highcliff felidar, enigma sphinx e.c.t. are better options to switch out for removal than putting more board wipes not only strategically but also ensuring that games aren’t getting reset every turn cycle. You still are able to get rid of multiple threats and get around ward. One sided board wipes like ruinous ultimatum, kindred dominance, crux of fate, whelming wave, perplexing test, wave goodbye, (more expensive plague wind or in garruks wake for decks that can ramp fast or cheat spells out.) are good against offspring and ward and allows to keep your resources which is good for you and your opponents because non-onesided board don’t always develop the game. hopefully offspring doesn’t become as common as ward has become even though I like the ability it feels like it can create less of a singleton format which I’m not a fan of. when a card has a stapled in value engine as well as a way to create a second one that is a token which can be doubled with effects like doubling season or second harvest doesn’t exactly feel like I’m only playing with one copy in my deck and because it’s an ability on the card itself it’s is not the same as a clone effect because adding a clone to your deck is a deck building choice where this becomes more of a mana based choice. Meaning even if I have no insensitive or desire for clone strategies in a deck I’m building I might still add a card with offspring because of how generically good the card is and now I’m playing with a card that essentially has 2 copies (1 optional) that if you have enough mana for is usually better to make 2.
@@davidstar2686 Oh, holy crap! Thanks a bunch. It still gets me so much to see folks who know of my channel. I'm such a small channel that it's just a wild feeling. I'm glad you've been really enjoying the content, and I hope to keep pumping out more and more rules videos (plus more stuff one day).
I cast Perch Protection in a game yesterday, and it was an amazing experience! I had a stable board, but two players were way ahead, and one of them, who was going right after me, was a bit behind. I cast the spell targeting that next player, and he ended up taking out one of the other players and leaving the other one with low life. When it got back to me, I was able to finish with a win. I think the most interesting part of this card is that it can help bring a player who's behind back into the game, trying to balance the board, or take out two threats that your deck might struggle with, clearing the way for a win! But you always have to keep in mind that the playgroup really influences how things go. We had a lot of laughs and had a great time!
Fortune terllers talent is so busted with senseis divining top. with level 2 you can use tops ability to draw a card then put it on top of your library at this point your paying one mana to draw a card over and over. If you have level 3 you can infinitely cast top from the top of your library drawing whatever amount of cards you want until you hit your wincons which mind you cost two less to cast if you leave them on top of the deck
I'm comparing Wear Down with Pick Your Poison: you pay 1 more mana to pick 2 exact targets and I think it's totally worth it. Trading your 2 mana for stopping an engine that is going on for many turns is amazing. Would love to trade my 2 mana for like 5+ mana and probably tons of cards/treasures/other resources.
Peerless Recycling is an amazing card for sure. I have run Urborg Repossession wherever I could since it came out, and for various reasons - instant, one color so it goes in more decks, one less mana for its full effect - this is simply better at least 90% of the time. Good call, guys.
Perch Protection is very much a card you play when you have your board set up. I played it the other night in response to a board wipe and given the cards I had on my board I won on my next turn. I was absolutely the threat at the time - it saved my board and helped me deal the finishing blow. It combo-ed well with some other enchantment and pieces I had in play. Its a fun card for sure but definitely situational - I loved it 😂
I want to give a shout out to the card Stargaze; might not be the splashiest, or the most efficient card, but it does have one of the best art in the set. I've put it into my Anikthea deck just for that (and for the hand and graveyard selection, but mainly the art).
1:23:15 I think something worth noting with Perch Protection is just giving the extra turn to someone that's about to lose anyways. If player B is popping off but you can save yourself, just give the extra turn to player C, they die and don't even get the extra turn. Now you untap and mop up. I'm running it in my Severina deck where four extra bodies matters and 8 power in the air is also relevant. Heck, I'd also just cast this for the bodies.
Played Zinnia last night for the first time - had a level 3 fortune teller's talent. Top deck was Felwar Stone, Arcane Signet and Mind Stone! Casting all three in a row for free off the top, was a feeling I'll never forget. Should go buy a lottery ticket... :D
Thanks for the set review. Per usual there were a few cards you covered that I missed. Here are a few additional cool interactions that stood out to me when reviewing the set: - Both Octomancer and Fecund Greenshell are excellent targets for cards that create token copies of creatures, like Quasiduplicate. Fecund Greenshell (like Risen Reef before it) is even better if you create multiple token copies of it at the same time, like with Rite of Replication, as all the tokens enter will see each other. - Mocking Bird has a neat interaction with animated lands. If your deck can do that reliably, like in Jolrael, voice of Zhalfir, mocking bird is a 1-mana Copy Land for your own lands in addition to all the other things it does. - Season of Gathering’s first mode doesn’t target, so it also works on your creatures with shroud, like OG Multani.
I put Season of Weaving in my Zinnia, Valley’s Voice deck and it really helped put me into a very commanding position that won my a game. I was Ramped far ahead of everyone else so I was able to rebuild immediately after. While everyone else was tapped out trying to rebuild their boards I deployed one of my win cons (Murmuration + Agate Instigator + Shrieking Drake).
Three tree city tapped for 25 white the other day in my merial deck and I dropped my hole hand so yea it can be nutz in mono colored tribal decks!!!! I also pulled the red colored showcase one and 2 normals of it was kind of crazy
I kept this in the Bumbleflower precon and I've loved it so far. I play at my local lgs and power level disparity is real, lot of games turn into archenemy. Cards like this that can help an opponent get the advantage they need to take out the archenemy is really fun. Plus the protection makes it hard for them to backstab you.
There is cute interaction I thought about with Season of Weaving: you can make token copy of Legendary permanent and bounce everything. State based actions won't be checked until spell finished resolving, so you would end up with token copy on board and OG card in hand. And probably get some nice ETBs from both as original Legend would see token copy entering :)
I have also felt the shift away from ramp in some decks. I just built around Laughing Jasper Flint, and I realized that it is way more impactful for me to hit an Outlaw on turns 1 and 2, then cast Jasper. When that’s the play pattern, it’s hard to then cast a mana rock on turn 4, esp when you’re hitting things off of someone else’s deck. It’s a strange balance to strike
I kind of like Perch Protection. You can always give the turn to a player who is behind while defending. You can also make the extra turn irrelevant if you target a player who is about to lose. I'm keeping it in my Ms. Bumbleflower deck for now (mostly because my white collection is pretty sparse).
I played Perch Protection in the Bumbleflower precon. My pod was a Tatsunari Enchantment deck, a Averna cascade deck, and a Magus +1/+1 deck. I gave the player who was behind (Magus) the extra turn on turn 7 because the Tatsunari player was definitely set up to win. The Magus player couldn’t do anything to the Tatsunari player and ended up winning while I was phased out 😂 Perch Protection is a really wonky card that can either setup a king making situation or propel someone forward who may have struggled with lands (like Jimmy). It has great potential for good and for trolling
Won a game with perch protection in bumbleflower deck and it was actually *so* satisfying. Gave the extra turn to the person who had no real chance of coming back and it saved me enough to win on the next turn against someone who seemed like they would clearly win.
1:17:02 Perch Protection was used against me and another player late game. He was at 16 playing an all birds Kastral deck so the birds were actually 3/3 with vigilance since he had Murmuration. Gifted the turn to the player with 4 health with me at 15. 3rd player couldn't kill me, but neither of us could kill the bird deck.
20:16. I think you guys are slightly underestimating this card. This now opens the possibly forcing people to sacrifice their own tokens thus getting poison counters. It also can get ever larger and gain flying via the commander in its precon. Lot of options with the card :)
In the pre-release I had 2 stormchaser's talent and a season of weaving, the number of times I looped stormchaser's talent and season of weaving to cast it every other turn while generating more and more tokens that were resilient to my own bounces. It was glorious.
The thing about calamity of cinders is that it wont work on aggro decks. Most of the time the aggro decks will swing with everything and unless they have vigilance, they are also tapped. It could miss big time if opponents creatures all attcked
Counterspells, a specific form of targetted removal, are also very good against Offspring. They dont get the token but still had to spend the extra mana for it when they cast
I put Perch Protection in my Ojer Taq deck. Feels pretty darn good to make 12 2/2s even if I’m not giving the extra turn, but usually I cast it and it’s ok. Just give the weakest player the extra turn. Not to mention this can go REALLY crazy with like Divine Intervention.
My favorite thing to do in standard right now is to have Fecund Greenshell on the board and then Season of Weaving make 2 copies and get 5 turtle triggers from it (and often results in +6/+6 to each)
So, I recently had a game with Perch Protection that I feel talked about. 3 of us were looking for how to deal with a more problem player. 1 had enough damage on board, but a Maze of Ith situation was keeping lethal off the problem player. She attacked to at least keep the pressure up, and after the Maze happened I used this and gifted the extra turn. The other 3 of us were close enough in board state that we could fight it out. I managed to win off of it, but giving the extra turn as a "go kill him for us all" was a great way to also keep the dying player from messing with me via death triggers on creatures. I feel like the perch is more about you sitting on high, sending your minions.
I do think Perch Protection has some huge upsides compared to Eon Frolicker. Frolicker is cast on your turn, and mainly protects you from being attacked by the chosen player. Perch is cast at instant speed, it protects your board, and it protects you from being attacked by all players.
I've cast Perch Protection once so far and it won the game, or at least secured the win. I was the archenemy and P3 tried to wrath the board to bring me back down to earth, I cast Perch Protection and gifted the extra turn to P2 who had already gone. The extra turn just meant P2 got a head start rebuilding after the wrath, but I then untapped with my already scary board + 4 2/2 birds. yeah, if you give a turn to someone who has a strong board position they're going to do scary stuff with it, but if you cast it to dodge a wrath and give the turn to the person most wrecked by it, it's similar to what Josh said about an early game Expropriate being less impactful
I think the main part about Fecund Greatshell, is tha being a calamity beast, and one of bountiful growth, it is likely so much larger than the birds (as seen in the art) that it's just difficult (in lore) for the birds to fly much higher than it and still be effective at their roles (of supporting non-fliers in this set).
I don't think that's it. If you look at the art, the flowers on its back have little red spore projectiles that are knocking a bunch of birds out of the sky. I think they just wanted it to have reach for.... idk, limited balance reasons?.... and then had the artist draw up some answer for that lol.
Hard to give analysis on whether cards are useful in the 99 or not if you have never played them in a real setting. If they did this video during prerelease then it would be mostly just assumptions on play patterns and maybe even information they would have to backpedal on.
@@bloodfang100 I don't think they did any testing with these. I assume the episode was recorded a while ago. They mostly speculate on how these cards will work anyways.
Used perch protection along with triskideckophile to close out a game as it was down to me and one other player after the other two knocked each other out. Was a fun game.
Perch Protection has a weird benefit in the event you would lose immediately along with all your enemies except the threatening player, as you can gift the turn to somebody who is already dead, getting the full upside without actually gifting the extra turn.
I don't know if you guys were just explaining it poorly, but Perch Protection does not have the ability to skip past someone's turn entirely. It almost never will give someone 2 turns in a row because of how it actually works. The turn is inserted into the turn order, which resumes once that turn is complete.
Perch Protection is not (only) a protection spell, is a reversal, a kind of finisher. I won twice the two times I casted it because you are going to have board, that also flies. One sided board wipe? One player is really ahead? two are ahead? Okay, give the extra turn to the player that you know needs it or you know you can beat and "work together and search for responses"... Then you untap with ALL YOUR BOARD UNTOUCHED (not only the 4 2/2 birds) and win the game.
I’ve played Perch Protection 3 times in response to a board wipe and won every time. Even if one player has an extra turn to rebuild, you still didn’t have to rebuild.
I played against a friend who used Perch Protection and it almost won him the game! It was a pod of 5 and 4 of us were playing the Bloomburrow Precons. It was down to myself playing Family Matters, another playing Peace Offering, and a third with Miirym (Animated Army and Squirreled Away were elminiated). The Peace Offering played Perch Protection, gifting me an extra turn which actually saved him. On my gifted turn I played Martial Coupe for 10 which triggered both of my Agate Instigators, eliminating Miirym who had an insane boardstate at this point. On my second turn I did my best to rebuild. Peace Offering would have won if it wasn't for the Artherize in my hand. The second turn honestly did not make that much a difference in the end because I only played my commander and one other creature on my second turn.
Perch Protection seems great to cast before combat when an opponent is about to swing in. Give someone an extra turn to put a giant target on them instead of you.
One extremely specific situation happened the other day where perch protection would have saved me. An opponent assembled his combo with Beacon of Tomorrows, drawing his entire deck, casting an omniscience, and dealing damage to everone equal to cards drawn. I played teferi’s protection, and he had no way to kill me until it wore off and came back to him. We realised that he was dead from drawing from an empty library next turn, so he dug and managed to find a way to put a single extra card back in his deck. Perch would have killed him just from having another extra turn!
The funny thing to do with Perch is to use it when everyone will die and give the turn to another player that'll die. Like an earthquake for lethal or some life drain shennanigans. You survive, they die before they get the turn and hopefully you have the clap back. Super situational though and honestly probably not strong enough at any table that would use it optimally. Cool card though, it makes you think. Hopefully it doesn't ruin low level games like paradox engine did.
Sunspine Lynx is so good for my Calamity deck that I literally jumped for joy when I pulled one of the showcase arts 😂 make minimum two copies a turn , with Panharmonicon and keep them if Sundial is out? Hell yeah
What do you think about this set? Are you excited about it? What new cards slot in perfectly to your existing commander decks?
This set is awesome because there aren’t any crazy busted chase cards that speed commander up too much, just some cool cards and cute creatures. I hope bloomburrow’s success while not having any overly pushed cards tells wizards that they dont need to push new cards to sell packs, they just need to create cool sets
I don't see anyone mentioning Hunter's Talent, it's by far the card that has been slotted into the 99 of my decks the most. It's a bite, it pumps and gives trample, and gives card draw. Insane card. Also fits with your discussion of strong 2 drops in the set. Thickest in the Thicket is also really good for +1/+1 counter decks and power matters decks, and The Master Multiplied absolutely loves Echoing Assault.
@@Lady_LuxuryHunter’s Talent goes so hard! It was the mvp of my prerelease experience
I am trying out Perch Protection in my Jinnie Fay deck because of the added token synergies, we’ll see how it goes. There’s also a theoretical potential to cast this while having a Trouble In Pairs out to stop the extra turn. It’s a testing for sure
Firegalss Mentor is awesome, I run it in my Standard deck. Peerless recycling is being put into Muldrotha
Funny thing with Perch Protection in the late game, gift the extra turn to someone right before they die. They can't take an extra turn if they're dead 😂
or at least give it to the guy who's doing horribly. josh seems to think you would give it to the guy doing the best for some reason.
There's also a lot of scenarios where taking an extra turn actually means death.
@@edhdeckbuilding I think it's the "King Maker" aspect that he objects to. You might think the guy who is doing horribly can't turn that extra turn into a win, but you're far less likely to be correct than you realize.
you give it to a player you know you can handle. That guy will probably disrupt or affect the board state of the player that is usually ahead.
Love these talks, I'm glad you waited for this after you've tested the set for an informed opinion. Keep em coming!
1:24:56 on playing with Perch Protection, it's absolutely 50/50 on picking the right player to take the extra turn, but in the Peace Offering precron that has 3 separate "You win the game" cards, protecting them and your board has come in pretty clutch for me, and that 8 power among 4 bodies can be pretty hard to block if you swing. The birds have won me games
why does the turtle have reach? he's murdering birds in the picture with his magic missiles lol.
The best part of my GenCon was meeting Jimmy and Josh. The saddest part of my GenCon was that I didn’t get to meet Rachel Weeks.
Oh no! Sorry you missed me. I'll be at lots more events!
@@commandcast hopefully next time!
At Magiccon Amsterdam there were parallel meet n greets for Jimmy and Josh, and Rachel. We chose JnJ but it was a terrible choice to have to make. At some point I need to get a Rachel signed Magfa, Hoardmaster. Look at the art and tell me it's not her.
I don't know either of these two are, but I luv the lady's energy, chill vibe. Luv to see her play with Professor and his friends
I've cast Perch Protection twice and won both games the turn I phased back in. Ms. Bumbleflower got back.
On the discussion of Perch Protection, I actually do have Eon Frolicker in my Kros Goad deck and it too has won me games.
The trick is to gift the extra turn to the most aggro player on the table, since their deck is the one least likely to kill you at instant speed once you come back.
Also, because I’m a Goad player, I can dictate who is swinging where, thus ensuring the aggro player won’t be coming at me (at least until everyone else is dead).
I see Perch Protection being the kind of spell when someone else is way ahead and about to win but you can gift an extra turn to another player who can use it to take them out and let the other 3 back in
I've done it once to guarantee my win too!
Perch protection won every game I’ve seen it cast
They kept talking about the extra turn and you phasing out with four 2/2 as if you're only ever casting this proactively. But isn't the point here that you still use it as an expensive version of Teferi's protection? -> To protect against a toxic deluge or farewell or even worst case as a fog?
Fecund Greenshell works well with Lhurgoyfs. All of them have a toughness greater than their power.
OMFG I DIDNT EVEN THINK OF THAT!!!!
I pulled. It from my collector booster in one of the precon. Wasn’t thinking about it much and put it in a binder… I JUST (yesterday) entered my GY overdrive deck in Moxfield…. Gotta go back and put that card in that deck. Can give you 3 cards if you damage 3 opponents… it IS a pretty amazing card!
Octomancer in Volo, Guide to monsters is absolutely cracked! You can have them copy the token copy of octomancer that entered that turn and end up with at least 4 of them. Then every turn you get extra copies of any creature you cast with Volo out.
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The thing I love about Gift in general is that it will make players think about what they're getting and not so much about downsides, which is what we (and by we I mean "people who like to play white a lot") were already doing. It's nice to hear the same arguments that I (and others) used to defend cards like Secret Rendezvous used again to praise Gifts. And in case it wasn't clear, I looove Gifts, Jolly Gerbis might be my fave card of the set+edh set
all my friends say I'm stupid for playing rendezvous and cut a deal in monowhite, but they said they found the Gift mechanic very interesting. My face said it all.
I love Pollywog Prodigy, it rewards you for curving out with creatures. I don't think it's stronger than 2 drop ramp or makes it less powerful, but some decks want 2 drop ramp while others will want 2 drop creatures. Everything isn't homogeneous and their effectiveness doesn't have to be exclusive. While Ledger Shredder probably is too strong, I like all the other 2 drop value creatures we've been getting and I want more of them so there's actually a decent probability of having one in my opening hand or drawing into it by turn 2.
I played Perch Protection in the un-upgraded Peace Offering precon to protect my Tamiyo for a turn cycle so I could cast its ultimate, definitely worth the extra turn in that case. Holding the mana open doesn't even look that suspicious with Ms. Bumbleflower.
Mockingbird is great in Zinnia bc the tax on offspring counts towards its manna cost, also zinnia is great for bouncing things back to hand which mockingbird usually wants if you want to copy something else.
Used it last night. Important is that the offspring copy is a dupe of whatever the original came in as.
@@WCOBDisorder you cant copy 2 different things, this is true, but you do get 2 of the thing your copying which is really nice.
One more thing about Perch Protection, you can gift the turn to someone who is about to die. They can't use the turn, you peace out and come back with some birds
This set wasn’t on my radar at ALL until I noticed Innkeeper’s Talent, for $3 at the time it was a steal…then it jumped up to like $20 in a day and I picked one up before it went any higher. This video has opened my eyes to a ton of great cards. Thank you!
Innkeeper's Talent is great in Wise Mothman decks BTW.
This was my most wanted card from the set. I got 2 foils during the initial dip at $1 each. I was sure they wouldn't arrive when they shor up the next day, but I got them.
Mockingbird instantly found a home in my Volo, Guide to Monsters deck. There aren't that many good Bards in Magic, and being able to pay X to copy two separate things on the battlefield but with flying is very nice, and it beats out Birds of Paradise as just another mana dork (when we have so many mana dorks). Other Bloomburrow highlights include Scrap Shooter (raccoons and archers are both thin on the ground so this does great without overlapping with other types) and Tender Wildguide, which won the elusive Druid spot in my deck because it's potentially 4 mana for 4 mana dorks that can get bigger if they're not doing anything better.
As another comment pointed out, Octomancer is also a strong contender for the druid spot, as they can copy the Volo copy of themselves
These are my favorite kinds of videos! It’s always nice knowing what to generally look for in terms of value and how to evaluate these kinds of cards when they are at a table. In a way, this is a great way to learn threat assessment for new sets! Also, thank you again Rachel for signing my Sidisi, Brood Tyrant at Gencon!
The other fun thing about Dawn's Truce is it gives you hexproof, too.
Darkstar Auger wasn’t mentioned. I think it is phenomenal
Definitely agree that targeted removal and or any spells or abilities that target are becoming insufficient mostly due to ward. But, I think that cards like soul shatter, make an example, sheoldred’s edict, unexplained absence, olorin’s searing light, shadowgrandge archfiend, highcliff felidar, enigma sphinx e.c.t. are better options to switch out for removal than putting more board wipes not only strategically but also ensuring that games aren’t getting reset every turn cycle. You still are able to get rid of multiple threats and get around ward. One sided board wipes like ruinous ultimatum, kindred dominance, crux of fate, whelming wave, perplexing test, wave goodbye, (more expensive plague wind or in garruks wake for decks that can ramp fast or cheat spells out.) are good against offspring and ward and allows to keep your resources which is good for you and your opponents because non-onesided board don’t always develop the game. hopefully offspring doesn’t become as common as ward has become even though I like the ability it feels like it can create less of a singleton format which I’m not a fan of. when a card has a stapled in value engine as well as a way to create a second one that is a token which can be doubled with effects like doubling season or second harvest doesn’t exactly feel like I’m only playing with one copy in my deck and because it’s an ability on the card itself it’s is not the same as a clone effect because adding a clone to your deck is a deck building choice where this becomes more of a mana based choice. Meaning even if I have no insensitive or desire for clone strategies in a deck I’m building I might still add a card with offspring because of how generically good the card is and now I’m playing with a card that essentially has 2 copies (1 optional) that if you have enough mana for is usually better to make 2.
Yegra doesnt work for the Bloodroot apothecary example bc she says "whenever an opponent sacs a noncreature token"
Offspring is a nice addition, a cool alternative to Squad.
Yeah, I think it’s pretty cool for token shenanigans
It so is.
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I cast Perch Protection in a game yesterday, and it was an amazing experience! I had a stable board, but two players were way ahead, and one of them, who was going right after me, was a bit behind. I cast the spell targeting that next player, and he ended up taking out one of the other players and leaving the other one with low life. When it got back to me, I was able to finish with a win. I think the most interesting part of this card is that it can help bring a player who's behind back into the game, trying to balance the board, or take out two threats that your deck might struggle with, clearing the way for a win! But you always have to keep in mind that the playgroup really influences how things go. We had a lot of laughs and had a great time!
Fortune terllers talent is so busted with senseis divining top. with level 2 you can use tops ability to draw a card then put it on top of your library at this point your paying one mana to draw a card over and over. If you have level 3 you can infinitely cast top from the top of your library drawing whatever amount of cards you want until you hit your wincons which mind you cost two less to cast if you leave them on top of the deck
"Why does it have reach?" My dudes the turtle is literally shown launching projectiles into the air! xD
It is absurd that Josh would sight Blood Moon as a soulless card when he admitted to casting turn 4 expropriate. You are the problem good sir, not us.
I'm comparing Wear Down with Pick Your Poison: you pay 1 more mana to pick 2 exact targets and I think it's totally worth it. Trading your 2 mana for stopping an engine that is going on for many turns is amazing. Would love to trade my 2 mana for like 5+ mana and probably tons of cards/treasures/other resources.
Mockingbird is good in ninjutsu decks. Evasive, copies another ninjas abilities and you can easily bounce it to your hand
I like how this set is working towards eliminating the need for turn 2 ramp. This will open up more deck diversity. Kodos wizards. Great design.
Peerless Recycling is an amazing card for sure. I have run Urborg Repossession wherever I could since it came out, and for various reasons - instant, one color so it goes in more decks, one less mana for its full effect - this is simply better at least 90% of the time. Good call, guys.
Perch Protection is very much a card you play when you have your board set up. I played it the other night in response to a board wipe and given the cards I had on my board I won on my next turn. I was absolutely the threat at the time - it saved my board and helped me deal the finishing blow. It combo-ed well with some other enchantment and pieces I had in play. Its a fun card for sure but definitely situational - I loved it 😂
I want to give a shout out to the card Stargaze; might not be the splashiest, or the most efficient card, but it does have one of the best art in the set. I've put it into my Anikthea deck just for that (and for the hand and graveyard selection, but mainly the art).
1:36:35 - This is the hardest Josh has ever laughed on the podcast. Rachel is funny
Valley Floodcaller ( and others otters) can be good in Riku of Many Paths ( spellslingers go wide)
1:23:15 I think something worth noting with Perch Protection is just giving the extra turn to someone that's about to lose anyways. If player B is popping off but you can save yourself, just give the extra turn to player C, they die and don't even get the extra turn. Now you untap and mop up.
I'm running it in my Severina deck where four extra bodies matters and 8 power in the air is also relevant.
Heck, I'd also just cast this for the bodies.
I've seen it cast twice and both times it was amazing for the person casting it tbh.
Played Zinnia last night for the first time - had a level 3 fortune teller's talent. Top deck was Felwar Stone, Arcane Signet and Mind Stone! Casting all three in a row for free off the top, was a feeling I'll never forget. Should go buy a lottery ticket... :D
Thanks for the set review. Per usual there were a few cards you covered that I missed. Here are a few additional cool interactions that stood out to me when reviewing the set:
- Both Octomancer and Fecund Greenshell are excellent targets for cards that create token copies of creatures, like Quasiduplicate. Fecund Greenshell (like Risen Reef before it) is even better if you create multiple token copies of it at the same time, like with Rite of Replication, as all the tokens enter will see each other.
- Mocking Bird has a neat interaction with animated lands. If your deck can do that reliably, like in Jolrael, voice of Zhalfir, mocking bird is a 1-mana Copy Land for your own lands in addition to all the other things it does.
- Season of Gathering’s first mode doesn’t target, so it also works on your creatures with shroud, like OG Multani.
I put Season of Weaving in my Zinnia, Valley’s Voice deck and it really helped put me into a very commanding position that won my a game. I was Ramped far ahead of everyone else so I was able to rebuild immediately after. While everyone else was tapped out trying to rebuild their boards I deployed one of my win cons (Murmuration + Agate Instigator + Shrieking Drake).
Three tree city tapped for 25 white the other day in my merial deck and I dropped my hole hand so yea it can be nutz in mono colored tribal decks!!!! I also pulled the red colored showcase one and 2 normals of it was kind of crazy
I kept this in the Bumbleflower precon and I've loved it so far. I play at my local lgs and power level disparity is real, lot of games turn into archenemy. Cards like this that can help an opponent get the advantage they need to take out the archenemy is really fun. Plus the protection makes it hard for them to backstab you.
Mockingbird is in my Miirym deck as its not a token dragon entering. Its awesome.
There is cute interaction I thought about with Season of Weaving: you can make token copy of Legendary permanent and bounce everything. State based actions won't be checked until spell finished resolving, so you would end up with token copy on board and OG card in hand. And probably get some nice ETBs from both as original Legend would see token copy entering :)
It’s a great set. I added Bloodroot apothecary in my Vishgraz, the Doomhive deck and I think it works well.
I have also felt the shift away from ramp in some decks. I just built around Laughing Jasper Flint, and I realized that it is way more impactful for me to hit an Outlaw on turns 1 and 2, then cast Jasper. When that’s the play pattern, it’s hard to then cast a mana rock on turn 4, esp when you’re hitting things off of someone else’s deck. It’s a strange balance to strike
I kind of like Perch Protection. You can always give the turn to a player who is behind while defending. You can also make the extra turn irrelevant if you target a player who is about to lose. I'm keeping it in my Ms. Bumbleflower deck for now (mostly because my white collection is pretty sparse).
I played Perch Protection in the Bumbleflower precon. My pod was a Tatsunari Enchantment deck, a Averna cascade deck, and a Magus +1/+1 deck. I gave the player who was behind (Magus) the extra turn on turn 7 because the Tatsunari player was definitely set up to win. The Magus player couldn’t do anything to the Tatsunari player and ended up winning while I was phased out 😂
Perch Protection is a really wonky card that can either setup a king making situation or propel someone forward who may have struggled with lands (like Jimmy). It has great potential for good and for trolling
Won a game with perch protection in bumbleflower deck and it was actually *so* satisfying. Gave the extra turn to the person who had no real chance of coming back and it saved me enough to win on the next turn against someone who seemed like they would clearly win.
Jacked rabbit + sword of the squeak is my fav combo 🐰
The apothecary is also great in "control your opponent" type effects like MindSlaver or Emrakul the Promised End.
1:17:02 Perch Protection was used against me and another player late game. He was at 16 playing an all birds Kastral deck so the birds were actually 3/3 with vigilance since he had Murmuration. Gifted the turn to the player with 4 health with me at 15. 3rd player couldn't kill me, but neither of us could kill the bird deck.
I added one Talent or another to half of my decks, they all seem so good for value and padding out curves.
20:16. I think you guys are slightly underestimating this card. This now opens the possibly forcing people to sacrifice their own tokens thus getting poison counters. It also can get ever larger and gain flying via the commander in its precon.
Lot of options with the card :)
In the pre-release I had 2 stormchaser's talent and a season of weaving, the number of times I looped stormchaser's talent and season of weaving to cast it every other turn while generating more and more tokens that were resilient to my own bounces. It was glorious.
My favorite card from this set is Gossip's Talent. Slots perfectly into my Sidisi, Brood Tyrant deck.
The thing about calamity of cinders is that it wont work on aggro decks. Most of the time the aggro decks will swing with everything and unless they have vigilance, they are also tapped. It could miss big time if opponents creatures all attcked
Perch protection has won 3/3 games for me. My play group also handled it well with no bad feelings about who got the extra turn in the games.
I really like this set. You can make so many great deck with frogs, otter, weasel :D
Counterspells, a specific form of targetted removal, are also very good against Offspring. They dont get the token but still had to spend the extra mana for it when they cast
I put Perch Protection in my Ojer Taq deck. Feels pretty darn good to make 12 2/2s even if I’m not giving the extra turn, but usually I cast it and it’s ok. Just give the weakest player the extra turn. Not to mention this can go REALLY crazy with like Divine Intervention.
Galadriel’s dismissal can be used offensively, which is a reason to consider it in your aggressive decks.
My favorite thing to do in standard right now is to have Fecund Greenshell on the board and then Season of Weaving make 2 copies and get 5 turtle triggers from it (and often results in +6/+6 to each)
So, I recently had a game with Perch Protection that I feel talked about. 3 of us were looking for how to deal with a more problem player. 1 had enough damage on board, but a Maze of Ith situation was keeping lethal off the problem player. She attacked to at least keep the pressure up, and after the Maze happened I used this and gifted the extra turn. The other 3 of us were close enough in board state that we could fight it out. I managed to win off of it, but giving the extra turn as a "go kill him for us all" was a great way to also keep the dying player from messing with me via death triggers on creatures. I feel like the perch is more about you sitting on high, sending your minions.
I do think Perch Protection has some huge upsides compared to Eon Frolicker. Frolicker is cast on your turn, and mainly protects you from being attacked by the chosen player. Perch is cast at instant speed, it protects your board, and it protects you from being attacked by all players.
I've cast Perch Protection once so far and it won the game, or at least secured the win. I was the archenemy and P3 tried to wrath the board to bring me back down to earth, I cast Perch Protection and gifted the extra turn to P2 who had already gone. The extra turn just meant P2 got a head start rebuilding after the wrath, but I then untapped with my already scary board + 4 2/2 birds.
yeah, if you give a turn to someone who has a strong board position they're going to do scary stuff with it, but if you cast it to dodge a wrath and give the turn to the person most wrecked by it, it's similar to what Josh said about an early game Expropriate being less impactful
I think the main part about Fecund Greatshell, is tha being a calamity beast, and one of bountiful growth, it is likely so much larger than the birds (as seen in the art) that it's just difficult (in lore) for the birds to fly much higher than it and still be effective at their roles (of supporting non-fliers in this set).
39:50 it's a snapping turtle. They can extend their necks pretty far...so thats why the reach..really should of been a spider
I don't think that's it. If you look at the art, the flowers on its back have little red spore projectiles that are knocking a bunch of birds out of the sky. I think they just wanted it to have reach for.... idk, limited balance reasons?.... and then had the artist draw up some answer for that lol.
Would prefer these way earlier, instead of Precon Upgrades, that are only interesting for beginners.
Yeah agreed, this and the legendary creatures episode
Hard to give analysis on whether cards are useful in the 99 or not if you have never played them in a real setting. If they did this video during prerelease then it would be mostly just assumptions on play patterns and maybe even information they would have to backpedal on.
@@bloodfang100 that doesn't matter. People just want to know what cards are good even if they end up being wrong later. It happens all the time.
Fwiw, Ive been playing commander for 8 years and I still love buying and upgrading precons.
@@bloodfang100 I don't think they did any testing with these. I assume the episode was recorded a while ago. They mostly speculate on how these cards will work anyways.
Used perch protection along with triskideckophile to close out a game as it was down to me and one other player after the other two knocked each other out. Was a fun game.
Perch Protection has a weird benefit in the event you would lose immediately along with all your enemies except the threatening player, as you can gift the turn to somebody who is already dead, getting the full upside without actually gifting the extra turn.
Bloodroot Apothecary is so amazing and among my top 5. But gotta give it to my Isochron Otter with Prowess. Bloomburrow is a strong set, theme-wise.
I don't know if you guys were just explaining it poorly, but Perch Protection does not have the ability to skip past someone's turn entirely. It almost never will give someone 2 turns in a row because of how it actually works. The turn is inserted into the turn order, which resumes once that turn is complete.
🔥❤️ Bloomburrow is so sweet! I love cracking it open ❤️🔥
Perch Protection is not (only) a protection spell, is a reversal, a kind of finisher. I won twice the two times I casted it because you are going to have board, that also flies. One sided board wipe? One player is really ahead? two are ahead? Okay, give the extra turn to the player that you know needs it or you know you can beat and "work together and search for responses"... Then you untap with ALL YOUR BOARD UNTOUCHED (not only the 4 2/2 birds) and win the game.
Season of weaving is slightly altered cyclonic rift with massive upside enough said
I’ve played Perch Protection 3 times in response to a board wipe and won every time. Even if one player has an extra turn to rebuild, you still didn’t have to rebuild.
I played against a friend who used Perch Protection and it almost won him the game! It was a pod of 5 and 4 of us were playing the Bloomburrow Precons. It was down to myself playing Family Matters, another playing Peace Offering, and a third with Miirym (Animated Army and Squirreled Away were elminiated). The Peace Offering played Perch Protection, gifting me an extra turn which actually saved him. On my gifted turn I played Martial Coupe for 10 which triggered both of my Agate Instigators, eliminating Miirym who had an insane boardstate at this point. On my second turn I did my best to rebuild. Peace Offering would have won if it wasn't for the Artherize in my hand. The second turn honestly did not make that much a difference in the end because I only played my commander and one other creature on my second turn.
Perch Protection seems great to cast before combat when an opponent is about to swing in. Give someone an extra turn to put a giant target on them instead of you.
upside about Dawn's Truth that didn't get talked about is that it can Protect your face as well from direct spells or abilities.
I expect Season of Loss to be awesome in my Vren, the Relentless deck.
Cast perch protection before attacks are declared. Then gift the turn to where you want the attack to go
YES! bloodroot apothecary immediately made me think of kibo. I've been wanting to build a resource denial kibo that force feeds bananas 💀
That Fecund Greenshell is going into my Smeagol, helpful guide deck.
One extremely specific situation happened the other day where perch protection would have saved me. An opponent assembled his combo with Beacon of Tomorrows, drawing his entire deck, casting an omniscience, and dealing damage to everone equal to cards drawn. I played teferi’s protection, and he had no way to kill me until it wore off and came back to him. We realised that he was dead from drawing from an empty library next turn, so he dug and managed to find a way to put a single extra card back in his deck. Perch would have killed him just from having another extra turn!
Dawn’s Truce also gives you hexproof. That is huge!
The funny thing to do with Perch is to use it when everyone will die and give the turn to another player that'll die.
Like an earthquake for lethal or some life drain shennanigans.
You survive, they die before they get the turn and hopefully you have the clap back.
Super situational though and honestly probably not strong enough at any table that would use it optimally.
Cool card though, it makes you think. Hopefully it doesn't ruin low level games like paradox engine did.
i like osteomancer for the grist. you can cast him from the grave and flip him to remove the counter
The turtle has reach because it can shoot fruits/seeds...or because it is torterra and can use vine whip (smack down for those too game literal).
2:19:20 I like this for convoke and azorius birds. I don't have a deck right now for it, but vedelken ottery is sweet
offspring was a big buff to countermagic as well imo
Perch Protection is for a bird/flyers deck when they have a board. I think you only gift if it's a board wipe
Fecund Greenshell is going straight into Jund Goyfs.
Sunspine Lynx is so good for my Calamity deck that I literally jumped for joy when I pulled one of the showcase arts 😂 make minimum two copies a turn , with Panharmonicon and keep them if Sundial is out? Hell yeah
Season of loss in vampire precon from ixalan.. FANTASTIC
I still remember back in New Cappena them saying Jetmir was underwhelming, now they know he is amazing
Not that it’s an issue with most pods but dawns truce and peerless recycling also can blowout Thoracle combo which is kinda cute
I love the vibes the gift cards bring.
The most ideal perch protection is you give the extra turn to someone who is also dying.
Mocking bird is good in heliod radiant dawn (the flip one) which would reduce the X cost. So on average you’ll have x cost like 5 for free.
Galadriel is massive as it can be used 4 diffrent ways, phase 1 of your 1 of oppoents, all of your or all of 1 opponents phases out.