I can imagine a Gargoyle bodyguard sensing intruders enter the building and go, "Hang tight boss, we got a perimeter breach." And then he melds into the floor.
In my minds eye I see him melding as slowly turning to dust, ash and mist that then expands as a thin cloud as the shape of the bodyguard disappears into the floor ... Just because someone's body being absorbed into stone as of it was a sponge or some shit seems goofy and I would 100% think the Vampire's invested a bit in the FX department XD
You can have so much fun with bloodlines. I actually invented one to throw a curveball and a mystery at a group that panned out rather nicely.Basically a corporation has got their hands on some Vitea and has created a synthetic bloodline without really understanding vampires. The resultant bloodline (referred to in game as “the promotion“) had violently toxic blood making the embrace a weeklong procedure taking place in an intensive care unit and preventing the company being able to use ghouls. Encounters with these vampires were very interesting for the players because the vampires were very low generation but not very old and had few abilities so they were an unusual thing to fight around. The party even managed to get the Prince of the city killed by convincing them to the Diablorise The local “board member“ resulting in the melting from the inside, killed by thick black noxious vitea.
Me making homebrew Vampire 5 content: "oooh what if I made a group of changelings who got embraced and because they're fey it went a bit odd", this video: "so here's a group of vampires influenced by the fey", me: "time to rewrite some lore to explain that ig"
@@drakula839basically, it’s a freak incident that normally shouldn’t be possible. It’s why Maeghar can only embrace other Maeghar and if they try to embrace a non-fey blooded individual, it ends in a caitiff.
The gangrel clearly must have cared about the Tremere turning them into Gargoyles seeing as from what I understand, they ended up allying with the Tzimisce to fight the Tremere over it
Well yes and no.... At the time? Probably... But really, most gangrel (especially back then) really were just given an excuse to pick a fight with someone. (I mean EXPAND THE STORIES they can tell at a gathering)... Shrinking area for them... Need to share what was there, with the tzimisce and want to get rid of the "new kids" without getting hunted were already pots that were boiling over... Then the Tremere "up'ed the ante" by taking down some of the weaker/isolated ones and well... They now had a a way to: untie the clan, keep the other clans at a distance while fighting, AND stand with the Tzimisce without either losing face..... So of course "they all collectively hated the Tremere".
In regards to your question about Baron Samedi, yes, in Cults of the Blood Gods, it details that he did attend and that even he had the skeletal thing removed and has control over it now. He also chooses not to use it and still looks like a skeleton, just on purpose now. There's a loresheet dedicated to being a direct contact of the Baron that details this.
@@maciejas2471 I know, but it doesn't seem very convenient to use up to level four, five if you consider celerity, and from my shallow experience it's rare for you to have a kindred that evolves to the point of reaching level five or more in a discipline and in these cases he is specialized for this.
@@fcochico8162 I personally like this. It mechanically satisfies the philosophical, knowledge over all, vibe of the True Brujah. The point of learning your bloodright as a fledgling True Brujah isn’t because you want power, it’s because you are curious and with patience, enough knowledge will have power present itself to you.
@@fcochico8162 have you ever played VtM? Time powers have ridiculous potential for RP. VtM isn't a dungeon crawl. Temporis is clearly a facinating and useful power even at lower pips. If you're min-maxing you are using the wrong system for it lol
Slight gripe on the "like we still have genes for tentacles" bit there at the beginning. We don't have genes for tentacles because none of our ancestors had tentacles. We have genes that were involved in the production and operation of things like tails and gills that we no longer have, but our most recent common ancestor with mollusks would have been little more than a blob by modern standards, with almost every trait we associated with cephalopods, including shared characteristics like eyes and a complex brain, having evolved independently after our line diverged from them.
Clan Nagaraja very much did NOT lose their bane of having serrated teeth and needing to eat flesh. In the cults of the blood gods book where the Hecata are introduced, there are special rules inside that detail what adjustments to make to disciplines and banes for certain bloodlines, including the Nagaraja AND Samedi, both as creation rules and as loresheets. The Nephilim and their special powers are ALSO in the Cults of the Blood Gods book. if you haven't read that one, I highly recommend it as it seems to have a lot of the things you miss along with some new ones. I really think that they plan to add the others in the future since they have already done so with these.
RIP Giovanni and its offshoots (and the fact that THEY were an offshoot). I think this whole condensing of the Bloodlines has hurt the Giovanni tree (now Hecata) greatly. A lot of people like to talk about how the old system was overcomplicated, but it's not like you had to know every bit of lore to play. It felt more like, whatever idea you wanted for your character or NPC, there would be some in-game info to help you make it happen. I am one of those people that loves having rich lore to draw from and work with, as opposed to it being a free-for-all. I imagine it'd be total bliss to play with a group of people who are all fans of the old lore and want to try to stick to it for a campaign. The Bloodlines added such color and flavor to the world of VtM, not to mention how the individual disciplines were so varied and cool.
The Bloodlines added fun since there be a point of some of these popped up. Now there's basically no reason except to power game which is ironic in VtM a lot of these bloodlines were ironically hard mode. Where you had to know how to play and basically purposely meta'd enough to be a proper generation where you're not too low yet not some thin blood. Since NONE of these should be higher than 10 imo
When they make a new discipline, they have to create at least 7 new powers. When they create an amalgam pseudo-disciplines they only have to make like 1-3. This does not explain why Obtenebration and Necromancy were folding into each other, though, because both of those still got the whole standard 9 new powers.
Apparently they got folded together because both are powers derived from the Oblivion in the Shadowlands, but I do agree, it's very lame that they got folded together at all
@@Mr.Monacle ...do they? that sounds kinda nonsense to me (not saying you are speaking nonsense, just that the justification is nonsense). i'm pretty sure even simple mortals can call upon the underworld for some necromancin'. Oblivion is something _much_ worse, and not really related to simple (un)death.
@@Mr.Monacle...but Obtenebration was connected with the Abyss which is probably related to the same Abyss in which demons were improsoned. It had nothing to with wraiths
@@drakula839 no one knows for sure EXACTLY where obtenebration draws its power from but oblivion is the most accepted one and i think the abyss is adjacent to oblivion.
"Just go to confession about it, maybe." Now I'm imagining some poor priest sitting in a booth and listening to some nerd go on for 50 minutes about changes to the way vampires work. I mean how many hail Marys is that even supposed to be?
Played a Samedi in a larp many moons ago...I think I had the most interesting and surprising ending and the final of a 2 years. Loved that character. So fun and a little fucked up.
LHIANNAN. DRUID VAMPIRES. AAAAH they are so cool. (Even if in V20 Green Path Thaumaturgy fits that concept better than their unique discipline Ogham does.)
Aw, man. Original 1st edition player here of VTM. Quite bummed to hear they removed all these cool disciplines. That was literally the only reason for choosing an exotic clan!
I feel you, bro. I don't go that far back (I started in Revised), but I remember the major mess it was getting hired to discretely remove a specific kindred of a known clan. Sure, he's a Brujah so the default would be baiting him into a frenzy that'll lead him to breach the Mascarade so others are then tasked to take him down. "Simple" enough, right? Right... But what if he's actually a True Brujah who can go back in time and expose our involvement? THEN we have a serious problem. That kind of scenario is extremely rare in V5, which is why it took a while for my group to give up V20.
Just a quick note, in the book Cults of the Blood Gods (or something like that, don't remember the specific name), that introduced Hecata to v5, there are bloodline sheets at the end of the book. It is not the same as the bloodlines in previous editions, but there are some fone ones, for example the Nagaraja one :^)
Honestly more than anything the baali are my favourite bloodline of all time and I truly miss my favourite demon boys. Daiminion is ridiculous but intensely lovely and they have the unique property of being assembled from every clan because of their re-embrace ritual.
Y’all are gonna *hear* the sweatiness of this post. Visceratika (default Gargoyle discipline) Bardo (Child of Osiris discipline) Koldunism (Tzimisce magic that’s not clan-specific) Daimonion (Baali discipline which is gifted when someone becomes an Infernalist) Possibly Valeren/Obeah and Vicissitude (Salubri and Tzimisce disciplines) Visceratika: allows you to know who/what’s in a building, move through concrete and stone like water, STAY OUT IN THE SUN IF YOU DON’T MOVE. Koldunism: Enslave the spirits of the land to control the ground, water, fire and wind around you, as well as emotional states of those nearby-also allowing you to resist the fear of death by sunlight, which is handy if you’re trying to stay still in daylight. Bardo: restoring humanity, warding off demons, sustaining yourself on animal blood instead of human blood, overwhelm people with bliss to prevent conflict, prevents people from being turned into vampires, puts people to sleep, PERFORM A RITUAL TO BRIEFLY WALK IN THE DAYLIGHT Daimonion: traumatize and terrify people with demonically fueled awareness, fire immunity, demon summoning, cause everyone to become a Fucken psychopath on a one man crusade against the world, cause OTHER VAMPIRES TO BURN LIKE THEY’RE IN THE SUNLIGHT EVEN IF IT’S THE DEAD OF THE BLACKEST MIDNIGHT!! Valeren/Obeah: Heal all injuries of those around you, make people passive to you, increase/decrease pain of yourself/others, bring peace to the suicidal, cleanse the soul of your target, exorcise a possession, HEAL MENTAL ILLNESS!! Vicissitude: morph and contort your body into entirely new shapes at will, become a giant bat, become a warlord of the night, spray burning blood like dragon’s breath, and TURN INTO A LITERAL DRAGON. Now…imagine a Gargoyle reshaping themself into a beautiful person and standing in the sunlight, only to suddenly grow an entirely new, sun-proof leg…repeatedly…until you’re walking in the sunlight…until you’re tired, then you perform a ritual to walk in the sunlight unbothered…AND MELT INTO THE GROUND WHEN YOUR WALK’S OVER!! A Gargoyle who’s not afraid to brown nose would be able to become a *god* , like any Tzimisce and Tremere dreams of being. Not all of these are clan-specific! The wiki openly says that Bardo’s something the Children of Osiris learn to perform, the Baali abilities are gained through being RE-embraced, Koldunism’s something anyone can learn if they’re in Romania for long enough, and Visceratika’s also something Gargoyles can teach to other Cainites if they’re feeling generous…only ones that’re questionable are Obeah/Valeren and Vicissitude yet Vicissitude’s described as a fucking VIRUS that infects Cainites. I just broke the game
I personally have a head cannon that there is no "pure" Baali except for whoever is the "True" progenitor (or progenitors) if those stories about their being more than one is true, but basically every other Baali were Kindred before being Baali (Or was turned into a Baali and whatever Clan their sire was originally all at once during the embrace was ending in Bloodlines like that Lasombra one) so basically they are kinda like hybrids in a way similar to Kysadids but they can pass on their second heritage unlike the Kysadids and their fae connection, I also like the idea that all known "Pure" Baali are actually alter egos that they set up so their connection to their original clan could be maintained, it'd be especially easy with Obfuscate and that one thing that allows you to mask your aura with another's, I know it's unlikely to be cannon but I love just having fun with Vtmb theories because the stories so loose and vague a lot of the time
TheBurgerKrieg: "One of the most fucked up bloodlines in terms of the sheer inhumanity of them are the blood brothers- Me: "Surely it can't be *THAT* bad right?" TheBurgerKrieg: "-who were created as sort of collbaration between *Tremer* and *Tzimisce* spellcasters in the Sabbat" Me:"Holeeeyyy fucking shit! That is *BAAAAAAAAAADDD!* "
These clan\bloodline vids are perfect summaries of each group. Would you mind doing a vid on the Baali\Salubri? It's just that they're the only ones missing.
This is from a guy who has only played the Bloodlines video game, but going by the description of the Bane of the Nagaraja, I think the character of Pisha could have been part of that clan, since she hinted at having to consume the flesh of their prey and not just the blood. though she didn't have pointed teeth.
Nagaraja don't have pointed teeth because of the Embrace IIRC, their bane was literally needing to eat flesh and the pointed teeth wasn't actually part of it like he says in the video(though again, could have been changed between the editions as I played one when they were originally introduced). They literally file their teeth in order to make them pointed just to make consuming flesh and dealing with their bane easier. So could be entirely possible that Pisha is Nagaraja and just doesn't file her teeth to be sharpened.
The pointed teeth thing is a off/on thing as I understood it. They have a skill that has their teeth extend. But yeah, I thought Pisha was a Nagaraja, it made the most sense.
I really liked the way Requiem handled bloodlines, too... I liked their version of trying to handle malkavians, as like a ventrue dirty secret... I know streamlining everything made some stuff annoying, but I liked the diy aspect it had at the start. It let my players make some cool stuff up for us to explore.
Listening to these videos got me thinking up a synthetic bloodline that basically assimilate their childer, as in they become the parent’s clone(same with ghouls). Their compulsion is simply a daily routine where you have to continue a single activity you did while embraced or else you risk becoming their parent.
Because of this video I ended up playing a mariner, I did something crazy with it and took extra discipline koldunic and path of the feral heart so I could do some crazy stuff
I recently met Pisha the Nagaraja in VtMB. Right now she fights between Jeanette and VV for my Top 1 Best Girl Award P. S. Where did you get this Nictuku icon?
I know more about Vampire: The Masquerade from having watched your videos (but never actually playing the game) then I do about how to do taxes from just being alive, not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing.
Thank you for including Daughters of Cacophony. :) I sing opera so naturally they became my favorite. 😁 was glad when my GM let me hack them into the more modern VTM game he was running.
Oh? Since you've played one can I pick your brain on what exactly you think is going on with them? They are almost as vague as Vtm itself, I know in a way we are just supposed to pick which origin story we believe but idk they all seem just as likely and I'd be fine with any of them
@@scootinkermie Sure sure. I like to use the stories they provide as a guide. I played one daughter that was a kind of mutation from a toreador and kind of like part of the start of the daughters and another that was turned near the start in the old world and traveled to the new world due to the various persecutions going on in the old world at the time. It’s kind of fun being mysterious. But I enjoy more the roleplay aspect over the technical aspect of the games.
@@lauramanuel7619 fair enough, it's not that I'm obsessed with the technical side, I certainly enjoy it though, I just love hearing theories or head cannons, they get rather interesting
@@scootinkermie they do! The daughters have their secrets and I kind of like the mysteriousness they add to the description because it gives you more flexibility to fill in the story as you like it. 😂 and it’s rather hilarious to have a daughter do that mysterious smile as they sing while people are trying to pry into the secrets of their clan. Muahahahaha
@@lauramanuel7619 lmao, sounds fun perhaps I should try being a Son of Discord, and I like the idea of a person who can't sing or play instruments being embraced by a Daughter of Cacophony and they just sing nonsense that sounds satisfying but holds no deeper meaning, as someone who like to listen to good sounding nonsense on occasion I think it'd be funny
27:00 I find it extremly interesting to include some Maeghars in your game, especially when you have Changelings. But even without them one can make an interesting concepts with those. I have a Maeghar charachter, a kinain, embraced into the Salubri clan. Double the hardcore, double the fun!)
Holy shit we're unfortunate in our game. I am currently playing the one and only Tzimisce in the area to have declared Camarilla loyalty. He's also been Sheriff, though that's a different story. Through a series of increasingly unfortunate events our coterie came to terms with the fact that our Prince was going crazy. By "come to terms with" I really mean we sat down and plotted a coup. The Lasombra at the table, however, had another idea. She ran and tattled to the Prince. Knowing a shadow wizard was onto us, knew our names and faces, and wanted us dead drove us to the only person we could imagine had the power to help. My poor Tzimisce. Already suffering the indignity of playing by Cammie rules. Found himself asking the Tremere Primogen to shelter them. Only because painstaking effort had revealed to us that he plotted for the Prince's seat did we go to him. Only because that specific Tremere favored the idea of people owing him did he accept.
I recall playing a Mariner Gangrel during our game set in Bergen. He was not a native to Bergen. He was actually from Louisiana and, as a result, identified in transformation more with catfish. I miss Liam. He was weird and disjointed and didn't really get along with the Coterie. The only member of the Coterie that even liked him was the thinblood.
Antitribu isn't a bloodline thing. If my character defects politically, it doesn't change bloodline. A bloodline is a BLOOD line. It's a divergent group with a heritability of identity through the embrace, or its blood. You could have an antitribu bloodline as in a whole bloodline that has opposing sect loyalties to the clan at large, but its members would only be individually considered antitribu if they then sided with the clan at large because it's from the bloodline that their politics diverges while their blood is distinctly of the bloodline. This terminology dancing is making me dizzy.
To be fair, I'm pretty sure that may be WoD's fault, considering I think in v20 antritribu and some others are in the "bloodlines" and "variations of the blood" sections.
I'm pretty sure that splitting off politically from your Clan means that you are now an Antitribu Bloodline. Because as a result of you splitting off politically, any Childer you create would be brought up with your own brand of Kindred politics. Which would then mean that *your* bloodline is now renegade. Course any vampire down your bloodline (including yourself) could join back up with the main Clan, but that goes without saying. What you seem to take issue with is the differentiation between a bloodline and a Bloodline, which is pretty much the same thing but to a more extreme degree. You don't just split off from a Clan and go from a lowercase bloodline to a major offshoot, uppercase Bloodline overnight, complete with separate disciplines and variation of the Clan Bane. It takes a few hundred years of active experimentation and cultural isolation for that to happen.
Both you and the other responder are right. Ambiguous terminology (or the inaccurate use of it) doesn't help AND our man TheBurgerkrieg didn't start this mess. Who are the Cammie Toreador to say they're the true or default line when the ones in the Sabbat tend to behave more like the gaggle of absolute degenerates they were meant to be? Terms like "rogue childer" or "antitribu" are only useful because of the implications they carry in order to help weave a political narrative and retcon history to make a specific faction look better by comparison. To me, VtM will always be "Mental gymnastics: the game". A good storyteller will often force players into situations in which they have to assemble some sort of rationalisation for their transgressions against their own tennets ("I didn't drain that mortal because I was hungry and got carried away; he was complicit in the mess I want to clean up" sort of deal). There's a very good example of this somewhere in episode three or four of Season 1 of NY by night (no spoilers, but I can point it out for you if you want). Hell, I once witnessed a Ventrue player justify his character's desertion to the Movement by effectively stating that the Cammie Ventrue were all complacent underachievers who rely on Cammie bureacracy and infrastructure instead of brute-forcing their way into the positions of power that should be their blood right. Ultimately, these politically loaded terms are subjective. Sabbat Tzimisce might think they "keep it more real" than independents because they're actually pushing a defined agenda. That doesn't mean the nominally independent Old Tzimisce are wrong (don't say that within earshot of their ghouls); it just means they're conforming to a different political narrative that serves them better. You can build a whole chronicle around this and have some serious fun with it. A term such as antitribu is used as a slur against the group with which your character is aligned? Good! Spin it against whoever flung it against you, defeat them at their own game, make them look weak and insecure; their own "allies" will eventually jump them for you. Play the game, rule these nights.
@TheBurgerkrieg Have you, or will you, cover the Baali, or any of WW's other "adult" books and content from the Black Dog line? They were considered distasteful by many back in the day (and probably even more so now), so I'd understand if you didn't, but I'm curious.
i was a big fan of the Galloi even if they were very oc donut steal in being "oh I'm a Nosferatu but actually I'm not ugly it's just I'm so otherworldly attractive it disturbs people"
so you didnt mention the Baali in the Clan video you didnt mention them in the Bloodline video...will they get their pwn video? I mean they certainly deserve it givent hey split into 3 major and 7 minor factions within themselves and are either the least numerous clan or most numerous bloodline depending on your stance. that said they were the first blood mages of the kindred, had the first revenant family survived being at war with ALL OTHER clans combined TWICE, are behind the brujahs fabled carthage, may have had a hand in founding clan Tremere and sit amongst its council of 7, they are in the Tal Mahe Ra you just mentioned and work together with the Koldunist Tzimisce...they are like the by far most important bloodline in vampiric history and were counted as a clan during the dark ages. i mean they have princes ruling cities even these nights and the number 1 and 2 red list vampires are both Baali. Not to mention one of them, Nergal is arguably the most powerfull kindred in existance right now. Not to mention Azaneal mastered Obtenebration / oblivion to a degree not even the Lasombra abyss mysticists ever had
The Baali are my favorite clan, they are such a sinister and powerful force in the world that most don't even know exist. They are the things ancient vampires have nightmares about, they are the shadow in the night that sends shivers down the spines of the creatures of the night. They are so completely demonic and evil and have likely infiltrated every aspect of vampire society without them even being willing to acknowledge the possibility. These fuckers are so scary that even goddamn sabbat refuse to accept they could even still be around, mostly out of a fear they won't ever admit to. Demon Vampires, the best vampires.
QUESTION! Could an extremely old Samedi rot to a point where they're just a skeleton? Or will you end up just mummified, like a D&D lich? Alternatively, could just a PORTION of you rot away, so you end up with the skeleton face and blue jacked body of Skeletor? Can I be Skeletor in Vampire: The Masquerade?? I need answers!!
at 37:30... it's sad that when you started describing the physical transformation of the Nephilim, the first thing that popped into my head were the Twilight vamps... even before you mentioned it yourself ;-;
Sorry I’m late but I had to throw this in If the blood brothers can share bodily functions, does that mean that they can store all the pee in one set of balls
The setting is a spectrum of a sandbox that you can push and pull as you please to serve your story. V5 just set out to simplify decades of development in to something more easy to approach and more contemporary for new fans to get in to. I have never taken their amalgamation of the less core disciplines as their actual deletion or true change. It makes sense that all vampiric disciplines are all connected to some extent, despite being on different parts of the vampiric discipline spectrum. Protean and Vicissitude make sense to be very close in the spectrum of disciplines for example, that the motions a vampire goes through psychologically or physiologically to draw on such powers are very close in nature, just with a different perspectiveor tweak here and there. That said, I would fully expect all ST's who know of the deeper lore to restrict certain discipline amalgams to certain clans or bloodlines unless there is good reason for a character to have learned such unusual uses of that spectrum. Meanwhile it is great for new players to have a rule set that is much more compact to learn faster to play their games in without needing to learn all of the dense lore and they will not be far off the mark. I also think it makes sense that as time goes on and vampire culture slowly catches up to the rapidly evolving human culture, certain divisions of old start to mix a bit in the cultural cosmopolitan melting pot of the modern world. For disciplines, it especially makes sense at the low end for young vamps to share things with each other that they might not have in the past. This new mix that we see with varied predator types etc allows for very interesting character concepts with identities previously impossible. Yet for higher amalgams that the youth have less access too, the identity disciplines remain much more divided. Bloodlines can all still be made, either through some lore sheets or home brew, simply bringing what is known in to the new. That's how I took the modern bloodline and discipline mixing for my stories at least.
I love this thought; I feel like that’s what’s happening with all the fifth edition releases of WoD games, which I’m drawn to because they’re both more accessible and highly engaging for play, but also provide a nice jumping off point to dig deeper into that lore and make what you will.
6:30 Hello, I am Finn, and I would like to know why there is Finnish on the screen? I mean, I don't mind, but it was kinda left field, so I was wondering the context.
You can replicate some of these in V5 using loresheets. There's one for Daughters of Cacophony that provides some fun perks like additional dice or dots in Advantages (and Flaws), and the Player's Guide added Melpominee as a Presence power! Similarly, Cults of the Blood Gods (and the Guide) provide more details for playing Hecata bloodlines. I like the V5 system because it's so loose, you can literally just do whatever you want
so hey, sorry to be spammy, whats the wooden cat statue you have on your shelf? my grandparents have one a lot like it and I'd love to have one maybe. Love your vamp videos btw, really nice to listen to and make me wish I could get a game lol.
I do feel bad about Hecata bloodlines losing their banes, although it did indeed streamline the game. There's a point where streamlining takes stuff away from the game, I feel like mixing certain things together also doesn't make sense, like oblivion being both lasombra and hecata, and blood sorcery being both tremere and banu haqim. I feel like mixing stuff that has a relationship blurs the line between classes, then again I'm new to the series and haven't played yet
We get the low-down on Nagaraja in the 2nd Ed Euthantos Tradition book: So during the Himalayan wars (a long and bloody conflict between the Akashyana and Chakravanti), a group of Chakravanti started used Vampires as shock troops, transporting them through the Umbra to stage surprise attacks. Only at one point, they got ambushed by something nasty in the Umbra, and when they got out they were too weak to control the vampires, and they got embraced becoming the first Nagaraja. That is also where the Souleaters come from.
While the attempt at a joke at the beginning was so cringe it looped back to being a little itty bit funny. I gotta say - I like this category of content, and I especially love how ya do/cover it. So - thanks for the great video ( -v-)b
They're interesting on one level but a total break with the theme of the game (having "designated good guys" in a world literally called the World of Darkness was a tone break) and a little too goofy for me on the other. I think something interesting COULD have been done with the idea that the Brujah had an old clan/young clan split between the knightly warrior-philosophers and the gutterpunk anarchists, similar to how the Tzimisce split between aristocratic old clan and the iconoclast new clan, and a discipline split is a good way to mark that kind of schism (like with the old clan Tzim having Dominate not Visc), but Temporis was a goofy discipline that wasn't thematic at all. For the Sabbat Tzimisce Visc made them terrifying alien predators and for the Old Clan Dominate made them more akin to the old Dracula story so it was thematic. Temporis means you might as well change the color of your cape and become a superhero, it's an X-man discipline not a horror discipline.
@@dangerszewski9816 which source are you refering to, when you say "designated good guys"? In the Tal'Mahe'Ra Book for V20 they are presented as one of the Clans that are part of this group and Idont think that the True Black Hand is considered "good". As far as I see them represented in V20 every Clan and every Kindred for that matter works for their own Agenda, some are more tolarable but none are "good" per se imo. So far I also disagree about the discipline, but that comes down to taste imo.
@@dangerszewski9816 they are absolutely not dedicated good guys and if you think they are you *really* need to re-read everything about the Tal'mahe'Ra. Cause they are absolutely not good guys. Also by your silly definition Auspex, Potence, Celerity, and Fortitude are also "xmen" powers and have no place in the game. Surly you recognize you're wrong there at least.
Please do a vid on the salubri if you haven’t already The lore of Saulot is great If you already done one on the salubri, haven’t found it yet as I’ve just found your channel Thanks for your work
So... if there was an attempt to merge numerous bloodlines into one new one, what type of bloodline would occur if you mixed all of them. (Cthulhu bloodline when)
Theoretically, with enough Diablorization, you could attain something very much like the undiluted blood of Caine. It would be very difficult, make enemies if everyone, and risk your soul at every step but it would make you very powerful by the end of it if you succeed.
40:29 sounds like they're similar aeldari, people hear "otherworldy beauty" and think oh its just really really hot. but no it'd be like interacting with a living porcelain doll. even how they walk would set off alarm bells, humans move jagged and floppy is something is just gliding along the floor its horrfying on a primal ape level.
It was pointed out that the Daughters of Cacophony shared 2 disciplines with the Ventrue. My theory then is that it was a Ventrue who was affected by a fey. They do seem more similar in manner to Toreador, but if a fey was involved, I could definitely see it as a changed Ventrue who came away with a dementia on top of an altered discipline.
Is the True Brujah considered non-canon or extinct in the current timeline? I know that a lot of DMs don't wanna run this (admittedly) overpowered bloodline but I love RPing as them.
This reminds me, I once made an NPC for a chronicle I GMed that was a Daughter of the Cacophony, and she was this psycho mercenary metal singer. Really fun gal.
we played a chronicle in early 90's with few phones and stuff, one one of us played a daughter of cacophony and we used her as a form of instant messaging system thanks to melpominee
I know Masquerade has very set-in-stone lore for the origins of vampirism, but I've always enjoyed the notion of a primordial, "perfect" strain of vampirism that completely strips all humanity from its victims, transforming them into a leech-like monster that's physically unstoppable, but entirely mindless and terrified of light. I like this idea because it emphasizes the inherent humanity within all other vampires. Many may idolize "the beast," but in its purest form it isn't some proud hunter or majestic monstrosity, it's a shivering, starving _thing,_ locked away in the dark corners of the world.
To the “ . . . having DNA for tentacles but no tentacles . . . ”, aren’t our tongues the same thing? Like technically different, but adjacent definition to a tentacle?
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"I assume most of you have a decent understanding of the 13 clans" yes I watched your previous video 100 times
I mean it is good but... yeah. yeah
I can imagine a Gargoyle bodyguard sensing intruders enter the building and go, "Hang tight boss, we got a perimeter breach." And then he melds into the floor.
Does he slowly sink into the ground or does he dive into it like a swimmer?
@@AngelCakes1997 sinks in
In my minds eye I see him melding as slowly turning to dust, ash and mist that then expands as a thin cloud as the shape of the bodyguard disappears into the floor
...
Just because someone's body being absorbed into stone as of it was a sponge or some shit seems goofy and I would 100% think the Vampire's invested a bit in the FX department XD
@@AngelCakes1997 Takes 4 turns so...slowly sinks. Unless he was already partially melded into it, in which case he just flops and disappears.
@@gabojill19 it takes four turns!?! bloody hell 😂 imagine just watching a dude fuse into the floor over the span of like 20mins
I have a homebrew Tremere bloodline, which worships Saulot, and seeks to bring back the Salubri art of healing through blood magic.
You can have so much fun with bloodlines. I actually invented one to throw a curveball and a mystery at a group that panned out rather nicely.Basically a corporation has got their hands on some Vitea and has created a synthetic bloodline without really understanding vampires. The resultant bloodline (referred to in game as “the promotion“) had violently toxic blood making the embrace a weeklong procedure taking place in an intensive care unit and preventing the company being able to use ghouls. Encounters with these vampires were very interesting for the players because the vampires were very low generation but not very old and had few abilities so they were an unusual thing to fight around. The party even managed to get the Prince of the city killed by convincing them to the Diablorise The local “board member“ resulting in the melting from the inside, killed by thick black noxious vitea.
Sounds kinda like Pentex's mockery breeds, but for vamps instead of shapeshifters. I like it
I fucking love that concept of wack science creating faux vamps or mutant vamps. I
Cheiron Group going nuts
Diablerise the "local board member".
I guess you convinced them to do a "hostile takeover".
@@sars910 Call that a pricy “liquidation”
Me making homebrew Vampire 5 content: "oooh what if I made a group of changelings who got embraced and because they're fey it went a bit odd", this video: "so here's a group of vampires influenced by the fey", me: "time to rewrite some lore to explain that ig"
But aren't changelings supposed to lose their Fae soul after getting Embraced? Just like mages with their Avatars?
@@drakula839basically, it’s a freak incident that normally shouldn’t be possible. It’s why Maeghar can only embrace other Maeghar and if they try to embrace a non-fey blooded individual, it ends in a caitiff.
The gangrel clearly must have cared about the Tremere turning them into Gargoyles seeing as from what I understand, they ended up allying with the Tzimisce to fight the Tremere over it
Well yes and no.... At the time? Probably... But really, most gangrel (especially back then) really were just given an excuse to pick a fight with someone. (I mean EXPAND THE STORIES they can tell at a gathering)... Shrinking area for them... Need to share what was there, with the tzimisce and want to get rid of the "new kids" without getting hunted were already pots that were boiling over... Then the Tremere "up'ed the ante" by taking down some of the weaker/isolated ones and well... They now had a a way to: untie the clan, keep the other clans at a distance while fighting, AND stand with the Tzimisce without either losing face..... So of course "they all collectively hated the Tremere".
Yeah, the Gangrel did not respond kindly to having their own used to make gargoyles. As I hear it, it was a violent reaction.
@@RobCrowley85to be fair, what doesn't get a violent reaction from the gangrel?
@@gs4011 laser pointer on the wall? 😂
@@RobCrowley85no that gets rid of a wall violently
In regards to your question about Baron Samedi, yes, in Cults of the Blood Gods, it details that he did attend and that even he had the skeletal thing removed and has control over it now. He also chooses not to use it and still looks like a skeleton, just on purpose now. There's a loresheet dedicated to being a direct contact of the Baron that details this.
Incredibly based of him to choose being a skeleton, even when he doesn't have to
I always liked the True Brujah, their lore and their discipline Temporis.
This is really useful anyway?
@@fcochico8162 I mean, Temposis is kinda time control...
@@maciejas2471 I know, but it doesn't seem very convenient to use up to level four, five if you consider celerity, and from my shallow experience it's rare for you to have a kindred that evolves to the point of reaching level five or more in a discipline and in these cases he is specialized for this.
@@fcochico8162 I personally like this. It mechanically satisfies the philosophical, knowledge over all, vibe of the True Brujah. The point of learning your bloodright as a fledgling True Brujah isn’t because you want power, it’s because you are curious and with patience, enough knowledge will have power present itself to you.
@@fcochico8162 have you ever played VtM? Time powers have ridiculous potential for RP. VtM isn't a dungeon crawl. Temporis is clearly a facinating and useful power even at lower pips.
If you're min-maxing you are using the wrong system for it lol
Slight gripe on the "like we still have genes for tentacles" bit there at the beginning. We don't have genes for tentacles because none of our ancestors had tentacles. We have genes that were involved in the production and operation of things like tails and gills that we no longer have, but our most recent common ancestor with mollusks would have been little more than a blob by modern standards, with almost every trait we associated with cephalopods, including shared characteristics like eyes and a complex brain, having evolved independently after our line diverged from them.
speak for yourself fam I have tentacle genes personally
it's fine if you don't though
I've seen enough hentai to know where this goes. To great places.
Wait, y'all DON'T have tentacles, tails, and gills to go with those genes..?
.....fuck.
@@TheBurgerkrieg Well I did neglect to account for the lasombra influence in this case, but do shadow tentacles count?
Anarchism is cool
Clan Nagaraja very much did NOT lose their bane of having serrated teeth and needing to eat flesh. In the cults of the blood gods book where the Hecata are introduced, there are special rules inside that detail what adjustments to make to disciplines and banes for certain bloodlines, including the Nagaraja AND Samedi, both as creation rules and as loresheets. The Nephilim and their special powers are ALSO in the Cults of the Blood Gods book. if you haven't read that one, I highly recommend it as it seems to have a lot of the things you miss along with some new ones. I really think that they plan to add the others in the future since they have already done so with these.
Neat. I honestly would like to create Malkavian with special connection with Gargoyle
Oh yeah, I used that for my player who was technically Hecata but functionally Nagaraja!
RIP Giovanni and its offshoots (and the fact that THEY were an offshoot). I think this whole condensing of the Bloodlines has hurt the Giovanni tree (now Hecata) greatly.
A lot of people like to talk about how the old system was overcomplicated, but it's not like you had to know every bit of lore to play. It felt more like, whatever idea you wanted for your character or NPC, there would be some in-game info to help you make it happen.
I am one of those people that loves having rich lore to draw from and work with, as opposed to it being a free-for-all. I imagine it'd be total bliss to play with a group of people who are all fans of the old lore and want to try to stick to it for a campaign. The Bloodlines added such color and flavor to the world of VtM, not to mention how the individual disciplines were so varied and cool.
The Bloodlines added fun since there be a point of some of these popped up. Now there's basically no reason except to power game which is ironic in VtM a lot of these bloodlines were ironically hard mode. Where you had to know how to play and basically purposely meta'd enough to be a proper generation where you're not too low yet not some thin blood. Since NONE of these should be higher than 10 imo
the old system ain't even complicated i think its on par with dnd 5e in terms of complexity
When they make a new discipline, they have to create at least 7 new powers. When they create an amalgam pseudo-disciplines they only have to make like 1-3.
This does not explain why Obtenebration and Necromancy were folding into each other, though, because both of those still got the whole standard 9 new powers.
Apparently they got folded together because both are powers derived from the Oblivion in the Shadowlands, but I do agree, it's very lame that they got folded together at all
@@Mr.Monacle ...do they? that sounds kinda nonsense to me (not saying you are speaking nonsense, just that the justification is nonsense). i'm pretty sure even simple mortals can call upon the underworld for some necromancin'. Oblivion is something _much_ worse, and not really related to simple (un)death.
@@Mr.Monacle...but Obtenebration was connected with the Abyss which is probably related to the same Abyss in which demons were improsoned. It had nothing to with wraiths
@@drakula839 The Abyss was an actual Umbral Realm in Werewolf aligned with the Wyrm.
@@drakula839 no one knows for sure EXACTLY where obtenebration draws its power from but oblivion is the most accepted one and i think the abyss is adjacent to oblivion.
"Just go to confession about it, maybe."
Now I'm imagining some poor priest sitting in a booth and listening to some nerd go on for 50 minutes about changes to the way vampires work. I mean how many hail Marys is that even supposed to be?
Apparently cool people just like the Samedi and I will admit it's an awesome idea one of my favorites that I've never gotten to use before
Samedi are a lot of fun to play. In my group, one of the vampires was a neat freak, so my rotting oozing vampire corpse drove him crazy, lol.
@@MalrexMontresor that's a special kind of evil but that's really in line with the clan humor
Played a Samedi in a larp many moons ago...I think I had the most interesting and surprising ending and the final of a 2 years. Loved that character. So fun and a little fucked up.
Not going to lie, the phrase "some Fredy Kruger type shit" slew me
LHIANNAN. DRUID VAMPIRES. AAAAH they are so cool. (Even if in V20 Green Path Thaumaturgy fits that concept better than their unique discipline Ogham does.)
Aw, man. Original 1st edition player here of VTM. Quite bummed to hear they removed all these cool disciplines. That was literally the only reason for choosing an exotic clan!
I feel you, bro. I don't go that far back (I started in Revised), but I remember the major mess it was getting hired to discretely remove a specific kindred of a known clan. Sure, he's a Brujah so the default would be baiting him into a frenzy that'll lead him to breach the Mascarade so others are then tasked to take him down. "Simple" enough, right? Right... But what if he's actually a True Brujah who can go back in time and expose our involvement? THEN we have a serious problem. That kind of scenario is extremely rare in V5, which is why it took a while for my group to give up V20.
Just a quick note, in the book Cults of the Blood Gods (or something like that, don't remember the specific name), that introduced Hecata to v5, there are bloodline sheets at the end of the book. It is not the same as the bloodlines in previous editions, but there are some fone ones, for example the Nagaraja one :^)
Is fone the past tense of fun
@@Seetor yes😎
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Thanks for shouting out the WW Wiki, and for using my Mariner symbol!
Honestly more than anything the baali are my favourite bloodline of all time and I truly miss my favourite demon boys. Daiminion is ridiculous but intensely lovely and they have the unique property of being assembled from every clan because of their re-embrace ritual.
USING THE CHURCH THEME FROM DISCO ELYSIUM FOR THE NEPHILIM PART YOU ABSOLUTE LAD
I am honestly surprised to find someone talking so much about V5 content. I thought most people stuck with V20.
I cannot get over how much you remind me of Lazlo from What We Do In The Shadows. Ironic, intentionally, or otherwise, I'm here for it.
Y’all are gonna *hear* the sweatiness of this post.
Visceratika (default Gargoyle discipline)
Bardo (Child of Osiris discipline)
Koldunism (Tzimisce magic that’s not clan-specific)
Daimonion (Baali discipline which is gifted when someone becomes an Infernalist)
Possibly Valeren/Obeah and Vicissitude (Salubri and Tzimisce disciplines)
Visceratika: allows you to know who/what’s in a building, move through concrete and stone like water, STAY OUT IN THE SUN IF YOU DON’T MOVE.
Koldunism: Enslave the spirits of the land to control the ground, water, fire and wind around you, as well as emotional states of those nearby-also allowing you to resist the fear of death by sunlight, which is handy if you’re trying to stay still in daylight.
Bardo: restoring humanity, warding off demons, sustaining yourself on animal blood instead of human blood, overwhelm people with bliss to prevent conflict, prevents people from being turned into vampires, puts people to sleep, PERFORM A RITUAL TO BRIEFLY WALK IN THE DAYLIGHT
Daimonion: traumatize and terrify people with demonically fueled awareness, fire immunity, demon summoning, cause everyone to become a Fucken psychopath on a one man crusade against the world, cause OTHER VAMPIRES TO BURN LIKE THEY’RE IN THE SUNLIGHT EVEN IF IT’S THE DEAD OF THE BLACKEST MIDNIGHT!!
Valeren/Obeah: Heal all injuries of those around you, make people passive to you, increase/decrease pain of yourself/others, bring peace to the suicidal, cleanse the soul of your target, exorcise a possession, HEAL MENTAL ILLNESS!!
Vicissitude: morph and contort your body into entirely new shapes at will, become a giant bat, become a warlord of the night, spray burning blood like dragon’s breath, and TURN INTO A LITERAL DRAGON.
Now…imagine a Gargoyle reshaping themself into a beautiful person and standing in the sunlight, only to suddenly grow an entirely new, sun-proof leg…repeatedly…until you’re walking in the sunlight…until you’re tired, then you perform a ritual to walk in the sunlight unbothered…AND MELT INTO THE GROUND WHEN YOUR WALK’S OVER!!
A Gargoyle who’s not afraid to brown nose would be able to become a *god* , like any Tzimisce and Tremere dreams of being. Not all of these are clan-specific! The wiki openly says that Bardo’s something the Children of Osiris learn to perform, the Baali abilities are gained through being RE-embraced, Koldunism’s something anyone can learn if they’re in Romania for long enough, and Visceratika’s also something Gargoyles can teach to other Cainites if they’re feeling generous…only ones that’re questionable are Obeah/Valeren and Vicissitude yet Vicissitude’s described as a fucking VIRUS that infects Cainites. I just broke the game
You forgot Tempus
@@luska5522 …..You’re not wrong!
@@luska5522 do you mean Temporis?
I personally have a head cannon that there is no "pure" Baali except for whoever is the "True" progenitor (or progenitors) if those stories about their being more than one is true, but basically every other Baali were Kindred before being Baali (Or was turned into a Baali and whatever Clan their sire was originally all at once during the embrace was ending in Bloodlines like that Lasombra one) so basically they are kinda like hybrids in a way similar to Kysadids but they can pass on their second heritage unlike the Kysadids and their fae connection, I also like the idea that all known "Pure" Baali are actually alter egos that they set up so their connection to their original clan could be maintained, it'd be especially easy with Obfuscate and that one thing that allows you to mask your aura with another's, I know it's unlikely to be cannon but I love just having fun with Vtmb theories because the stories so loose and vague a lot of the time
There will never be a chronicle ever where anything remotely like this happens lol
TheBurgerKrieg: "One of the most fucked up bloodlines in terms of the sheer inhumanity of them are the blood brothers-
Me: "Surely it can't be *THAT* bad right?"
TheBurgerKrieg: "-who were created as sort of collbaration between *Tremer* and *Tzimisce* spellcasters in the Sabbat"
Me:"Holeeeyyy fucking shit! That is *BAAAAAAAAAADDD!* "
These clan\bloodline vids are perfect summaries of each group. Would you mind doing a vid on the Baali\Salubri? It's just that they're the only ones missing.
Blood Brothers sound cool in theory, yet nightmare in practice. Thanks for the video.
This is from a guy who has only played the Bloodlines video game, but going by the description of the Bane of the Nagaraja, I think the character of Pisha could have been part of that clan, since she hinted at having to consume the flesh of their prey and not just the blood. though she didn't have pointed teeth.
Nagaraja don't have pointed teeth because of the Embrace IIRC, their bane was literally needing to eat flesh and the pointed teeth wasn't actually part of it like he says in the video(though again, could have been changed between the editions as I played one when they were originally introduced). They literally file their teeth in order to make them pointed just to make consuming flesh and dealing with their bane easier.
So could be entirely possible that Pisha is Nagaraja and just doesn't file her teeth to be sharpened.
@@InfinityImplosion by v20 teeth were part of the curse afaik
The pointed teeth thing is a off/on thing as I understood it. They have a skill that has their teeth extend. But yeah, I thought Pisha was a Nagaraja, it made the most sense.
she probably doesnt have the teeth becuase they didnt have the time to make a new model
@@InfinityImplosion I don't think that happened yet when they made bloodlines, likely they just didn't bother to change her teeth to be accurate
I really liked the way Requiem handled bloodlines, too... I liked their version of trying to handle malkavians, as like a ventrue dirty secret... I know streamlining everything made some stuff annoying, but I liked the diy aspect it had at the start. It let my players make some cool stuff up for us to explore.
Listening to these videos got me thinking up a synthetic bloodline that basically assimilate their childer, as in they become the parent’s clone(same with ghouls). Their compulsion is simply a daily routine where you have to continue a single activity you did while embraced or else you risk becoming their parent.
Because of this video I ended up playing a mariner, I did something crazy with it and took extra discipline koldunic and path of the feral heart so I could do some crazy stuff
I recently met Pisha the Nagaraja in VtMB. Right now she fights between Jeanette and VV for my Top 1 Best Girl Award
P. S. Where did you get this Nictuku icon?
I know more about Vampire: The Masquerade from having watched your videos (but never actually playing the game) then I do about how to do taxes from just being alive, not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing.
D&D 5e and it’s consequences have been a disaster for nerdkind
I was hoping you'd mention the Baali. They are among my favorite obscure bloodline.
Baali aren't that obscure. Certainly not as much as those listed here.
They had their own source book and cross over in other WoD settings after all!
@@Michael-bn1oi‘twas a slightly sarcastic joke
Do the Samedi ever decay to the point that they become skeletal?
_Can I be the Mr. Skelebones nyeh heh vampire?_
I know we're talking about vampire here, but are you willing to talk about werewolf or wrath or something eventually?
I believe at this point it is inevitable that I will
@@TheBurgerkrieg glad to hear it!
@@TheBurgerkrieg Do Changeling!
Your VTM videos are fantastic. Please do more. I watch these almost every night
My cousin wrote an AMAZING homebrew ruleset for Gargoyles in V5 that is available on the Storyteller's Vault.
Thank you so much for those series on ToD, you do an amazing job!
Thank you for including Daughters of Cacophony. :) I sing opera so naturally they became my favorite. 😁 was glad when my GM let me hack them into the more modern VTM game he was running.
Oh? Since you've played one can I pick your brain on what exactly you think is going on with them? They are almost as vague as Vtm itself, I know in a way we are just supposed to pick which origin story we believe but idk they all seem just as likely and I'd be fine with any of them
@@scootinkermie
Sure sure. I like to use the stories they provide as a guide. I played one daughter that was a kind of mutation from a toreador and kind of like part of the start of the daughters and another that was turned near the start in the old world and traveled to the new world due to the various persecutions going on in the old world at the time. It’s kind of fun being mysterious. But I enjoy more the roleplay aspect over the technical aspect of the games.
@@lauramanuel7619 fair enough, it's not that I'm obsessed with the technical side, I certainly enjoy it though, I just love hearing theories or head cannons, they get rather interesting
@@scootinkermie they do! The daughters have their secrets and I kind of like the mysteriousness they add to the description because it gives you more flexibility to fill in the story as you like it. 😂 and it’s rather hilarious to have a daughter do that mysterious smile as they sing while people are trying to pry into the secrets of their clan. Muahahahaha
@@lauramanuel7619 lmao, sounds fun perhaps I should try being a Son of Discord, and I like the idea of a person who can't sing or play instruments being embraced by a Daughter of Cacophony and they just sing nonsense that sounds satisfying but holds no deeper meaning, as someone who like to listen to good sounding nonsense on occasion I think it'd be funny
I go to sleep listening to this video, the nightmares are horrible but man what a pleasant way to be sent off to sleep
It's taken 3 videos just for me to realize you're talking into a mic. Love your content!
I love that as humans we can get so invested in a fake reality
We actually do have one tentacle! Our tongue works in a similar fashion, and is considered that brand of appendage, I believe :3
Visceratika, protien, mytherceria
The shining vampire who lives in derelict buildings and feeds on your sanity.
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I find it extremly interesting to include some Maeghars in your game, especially when you have Changelings. But even without them one can make an interesting concepts with those.
I have a Maeghar charachter, a kinain, embraced into the Salubri clan. Double the hardcore, double the fun!)
Honestly as fucked up they might be, I wanna be able to play as a Lasombra.
Holy shit we're unfortunate in our game.
I am currently playing the one and only Tzimisce in the area to have declared Camarilla loyalty. He's also been Sheriff, though that's a different story. Through a series of increasingly unfortunate events our coterie came to terms with the fact that our Prince was going crazy. By "come to terms with" I really mean we sat down and plotted a coup. The Lasombra at the table, however, had another idea. She ran and tattled to the Prince.
Knowing a shadow wizard was onto us, knew our names and faces, and wanted us dead drove us to the only person we could imagine had the power to help. My poor Tzimisce. Already suffering the indignity of playing by Cammie rules. Found himself asking the Tremere Primogen to shelter them. Only because painstaking effort had revealed to us that he plotted for the Prince's seat did we go to him. Only because that specific Tremere favored the idea of people owing him did he accept.
I recall playing a Mariner Gangrel during our game set in Bergen. He was not a native to Bergen. He was actually from Louisiana and, as a result, identified in transformation more with catfish. I miss Liam. He was weird and disjointed and didn't really get along with the Coterie. The only member of the Coterie that even liked him was the thinblood.
Antitribu isn't a bloodline thing.
If my character defects politically, it doesn't change bloodline.
A bloodline is a BLOOD line. It's a divergent group with a heritability of identity through the embrace, or its blood.
You could have an antitribu bloodline as in a whole bloodline that has opposing sect loyalties to the clan at large, but its members would only be individually considered antitribu if they then sided with the clan at large because it's from the bloodline that their politics diverges while their blood is distinctly of the bloodline.
This terminology dancing is making me dizzy.
To be fair, I'm pretty sure that may be WoD's fault, considering I think in v20 antritribu and some others are in the "bloodlines" and "variations of the blood" sections.
I'm pretty sure that splitting off politically from your Clan means that you are now an Antitribu Bloodline. Because as a result of you splitting off politically, any Childer you create would be brought up with your own brand of Kindred politics. Which would then mean that *your* bloodline is now renegade. Course any vampire down your bloodline (including yourself) could join back up with the main Clan, but that goes without saying.
What you seem to take issue with is the differentiation between a bloodline and a Bloodline, which is pretty much the same thing but to a more extreme degree. You don't just split off from a Clan and go from a lowercase bloodline to a major offshoot, uppercase Bloodline overnight, complete with separate disciplines and variation of the Clan Bane. It takes a few hundred years of active experimentation and cultural isolation for that to happen.
Both you and the other responder are right. Ambiguous terminology (or the inaccurate use of it) doesn't help AND our man TheBurgerkrieg didn't start this mess.
Who are the Cammie Toreador to say they're the true or default line when the ones in the Sabbat tend to behave more like the gaggle of absolute degenerates they were meant to be? Terms like "rogue childer" or "antitribu" are only useful because of the implications they carry in order to help weave a political narrative and retcon history to make a specific faction look better by comparison.
To me, VtM will always be "Mental gymnastics: the game". A good storyteller will often force players into situations in which they have to assemble some sort of rationalisation for their transgressions against their own tennets ("I didn't drain that mortal because I was hungry and got carried away; he was complicit in the mess I want to clean up" sort of deal). There's a very good example of this somewhere in episode three or four of Season 1 of NY by night (no spoilers, but I can point it out for you if you want). Hell, I once witnessed a Ventrue player justify his character's desertion to the Movement by effectively stating that the Cammie Ventrue were all complacent underachievers who rely on Cammie bureacracy and infrastructure instead of brute-forcing their way into the positions of power that should be their blood right.
Ultimately, these politically loaded terms are subjective. Sabbat Tzimisce might think they "keep it more real" than independents because they're actually pushing a defined agenda. That doesn't mean the nominally independent Old Tzimisce are wrong (don't say that within earshot of their ghouls); it just means they're conforming to a different political narrative that serves them better. You can build a whole chronicle around this and have some serious fun with it. A term such as antitribu is used as a slur against the group with which your character is aligned? Good! Spin it against whoever flung it against you, defeat them at their own game, make them look weak and insecure; their own "allies" will eventually jump them for you.
Play the game, rule these nights.
some antitribu DO form their own bloodline tho. like city gangral is a bloodline of gangral made from gangral antitribu
@TheBurgerkrieg Have you, or will you, cover the Baali, or any of WW's other "adult" books and content from the Black Dog line? They were considered distasteful by many back in the day (and probably even more so now), so I'd understand if you didn't, but I'm curious.
Will you ever discuss topics from the other games like mage and werewolf
nice use of the VTES discipline icons for overlays! I noticed. ;)
i was a big fan of the Galloi even if they were very oc donut steal in being "oh I'm a Nosferatu but actually I'm not ugly it's just I'm so otherworldly attractive it disturbs people"
Your videos are underrated my dude
I think the biggest obstacle to the Mariner Gangrel would be the Weresharks
I love these long form world of darkness disquisitions. I'm eager to see if you do more.
so you didnt mention the Baali in the Clan video you didnt mention them in the Bloodline video...will they get their pwn video? I mean they certainly deserve it givent hey split into 3 major and 7 minor factions within themselves and are either the least numerous clan or most numerous bloodline depending on your stance. that said they were the first blood mages of the kindred, had the first revenant family survived being at war with ALL OTHER clans combined TWICE, are behind the brujahs fabled carthage, may have had a hand in founding clan Tremere and sit amongst its council of 7, they are in the Tal Mahe Ra you just mentioned and work together with the Koldunist Tzimisce...they are like the by far most important bloodline in vampiric history and were counted as a clan during the dark ages. i mean they have princes ruling cities even these nights and the number 1 and 2 red list vampires are both Baali. Not to mention one of them, Nergal is arguably the most powerfull kindred in existance right now. Not to mention Azaneal mastered Obtenebration / oblivion to a degree not even the Lasombra abyss mysticists ever had
The Baali are my favorite clan, they are such a sinister and powerful force in the world that most don't even know exist. They are the things ancient vampires have nightmares about, they are the shadow in the night that sends shivers down the spines of the creatures of the night. They are so completely demonic and evil and have likely infiltrated every aspect of vampire society without them even being willing to acknowledge the possibility. These fuckers are so scary that even goddamn sabbat refuse to accept they could even still be around, mostly out of a fear they won't ever admit to. Demon Vampires, the best vampires.
@@notsae66 indeed. if you are interested i got a video series about them on my channel XD
suddenly seeing my mother tongue written on the screen of a video spoken wholly in english mentally flashbanged me
So many languages got mentioned you gotta be more specific dawg 😂
The Nephilim sound like The interview with a Vampire, vampires.
35:08 depends if the kindred is baali or the one using it has true faith
Daughters of Cacophony becoming Banshees and losing touch with reality sounds a lot like the Changeling loss of Clarity
QUESTION!
Could an extremely old Samedi rot to a point where they're just a skeleton? Or will you end up just mummified, like a D&D lich?
Alternatively, could just a PORTION of you rot away, so you end up with the skeleton face and blue jacked body of Skeletor? Can I be Skeletor in Vampire: The Masquerade?? I need answers!!
at 37:30... it's sad that when you started describing the physical transformation of the Nephilim, the first thing that popped into my head were the Twilight vamps... even before you mentioned it yourself ;-;
I loved this video, I hope you do more bloodlines in the future
Sorry I’m late but I had to throw this in
If the blood brothers can share bodily functions, does that mean that they can store all the pee in one set of balls
The setting is a spectrum of a sandbox that you can push and pull as you please to serve your story.
V5 just set out to simplify decades of development in to something more easy to approach and more contemporary for new fans to get in to. I have never taken their amalgamation of the less core disciplines as their actual deletion or true change.
It makes sense that all vampiric disciplines are all connected to some extent, despite being on different parts of the vampiric discipline spectrum. Protean and Vicissitude make sense to be very close in the spectrum of disciplines for example, that the motions a vampire goes through psychologically or physiologically to draw on such powers are very close in nature, just with a different perspectiveor tweak here and there. That said, I would fully expect all ST's who know of the deeper lore to restrict certain discipline amalgams to certain clans or bloodlines unless there is good reason for a character to have learned such unusual uses of that spectrum.
Meanwhile it is great for new players to have a rule set that is much more compact to learn faster to play their games in without needing to learn all of the dense lore and they will not be far off the mark.
I also think it makes sense that as time goes on and vampire culture slowly catches up to the rapidly evolving human culture, certain divisions of old start to mix a bit in the cultural cosmopolitan melting pot of the modern world. For disciplines, it especially makes sense at the low end for young vamps to share things with each other that they might not have in the past. This new mix that we see with varied predator types etc allows for very interesting character concepts with identities previously impossible. Yet for higher amalgams that the youth have less access too, the identity disciplines remain much more divided.
Bloodlines can all still be made, either through some lore sheets or home brew, simply bringing what is known in to the new.
That's how I took the modern bloodline and discipline mixing for my stories at least.
I love this thought; I feel like that’s what’s happening with all the fifth edition releases of WoD games, which I’m drawn to because they’re both more accessible and highly engaging for play, but also provide a nice jumping off point to dig deeper into that lore and make what you will.
6:30 Hello, I am Finn, and I would like to know why there is Finnish on the screen? I mean, I don't mind, but it was kinda left field, so I was wondering the context.
Bungokrog just finds Finnish funny
@@Seetor You know, that is fair enough.
What does it say tho?
@@thesenate5291 "To streamline game's design and player experience, Serpentis has been integrated to Proteans"
You can replicate some of these in V5 using loresheets. There's one for Daughters of Cacophony that provides some fun perks like additional dice or dots in Advantages (and Flaws), and the Player's Guide added Melpominee as a Presence power! Similarly, Cults of the Blood Gods (and the Guide) provide more details for playing Hecata bloodlines. I like the V5 system because it's so loose, you can literally just do whatever you want
Mom, can we get melpominee?
No, we have Melpomene at home
so hey, sorry to be spammy, whats the wooden cat statue you have on your shelf? my grandparents have one a lot like it and I'd love to have one maybe.
Love your vamp videos btw, really nice to listen to and make me wish I could get a game lol.
I do feel bad about Hecata bloodlines losing their banes, although it did indeed streamline the game. There's a point where streamlining takes stuff away from the game, I feel like mixing certain things together also doesn't make sense, like oblivion being both lasombra and hecata, and blood sorcery being both tremere and banu haqim. I feel like mixing stuff that has a relationship blurs the line between classes, then again I'm new to the series and haven't played yet
It's called shitty lazy writing
I wish they would reintroduce the morbus from vtr I love the idea of vampire driven to drink diseased blood and have power over diseases
We get the low-down on Nagaraja in the 2nd Ed Euthantos Tradition book:
So during the Himalayan wars (a long and bloody conflict between the Akashyana and Chakravanti), a group of Chakravanti started used Vampires as shock troops, transporting them through the Umbra to stage surprise attacks. Only at one point, they got ambushed by something nasty in the Umbra, and when they got out they were too weak to control the vampires, and they got embraced becoming the first Nagaraja. That is also where the Souleaters come from.
“It’s in the wiki!”
This man is Gold
While the attempt at a joke at the beginning was so cringe it looped back to being a little itty bit funny.
I gotta say - I like this category of content, and I especially love how ya do/cover it. So - thanks for the great video ( -v-)b
I really missed the True Brujah and their discipline, its one of my favorites. Also lore wise very interresting IMO.
I agree the Truja are interesting
They're interesting on one level but a total break with the theme of the game (having "designated good guys" in a world literally called the World of Darkness was a tone break) and a little too goofy for me on the other. I think something interesting COULD have been done with the idea that the Brujah had an old clan/young clan split between the knightly warrior-philosophers and the gutterpunk anarchists, similar to how the Tzimisce split between aristocratic old clan and the iconoclast new clan, and a discipline split is a good way to mark that kind of schism (like with the old clan Tzim having Dominate not Visc), but Temporis was a goofy discipline that wasn't thematic at all. For the Sabbat Tzimisce Visc made them terrifying alien predators and for the Old Clan Dominate made them more akin to the old Dracula story so it was thematic. Temporis means you might as well change the color of your cape and become a superhero, it's an X-man discipline not a horror discipline.
@@dangerszewski9816 which source are you refering to, when you say "designated good guys"? In the Tal'Mahe'Ra Book for V20 they are presented as one of the Clans that are part of this group and Idont think that the True Black Hand is considered "good". As far as I see them represented in V20 every Clan and every Kindred for that matter works for their own Agenda, some are more tolarable but none are "good" per se imo. So far I also disagree about the discipline, but that comes down to taste imo.
@@dangerszewski9816 they are absolutely not dedicated good guys and if you think they are you *really* need to re-read everything about the Tal'mahe'Ra.
Cause they are absolutely not good guys.
Also by your silly definition Auspex, Potence, Celerity, and Fortitude are also "xmen" powers and have no place in the game. Surly you recognize you're wrong there at least.
Please do a vid on the salubri if you haven’t already
The lore of Saulot is great
If you already done one on the salubri, haven’t found it yet as I’ve just found your channel
Thanks for your work
Great video. Love your work
You're the best, man. I'm watching this for the 10th time.
Missed opportunity to bring up the Assaku and how Vicissitude is actually secret magical space fungus AIDS.
So... if there was an attempt to merge numerous bloodlines into one new one, what type of bloodline would occur if you mixed all of them. (Cthulhu bloodline when)
you would get the blood of caine undiluted.
If you want a Lovecraftian bloodline, just make a bunch of Malkavians with Vicissitude as an inherent discipline.
Theoretically, with enough Diablorization, you could attain something very much like the undiluted blood of Caine. It would be very difficult, make enemies if everyone, and risk your soul at every step but it would make you very powerful by the end of it if you succeed.
Sanguinus sounds really useful though, cuz theoretically only one blood brother would need to be on the toilet for everyone else to poop
40:29 sounds like they're similar aeldari, people hear "otherworldy beauty" and think oh its just really really hot. but no it'd be like interacting with a living porcelain doll.
even how they walk would set off alarm bells, humans move jagged and floppy is something is just gliding along the floor its horrfying on a primal ape level.
It was pointed out that the Daughters of Cacophony shared 2 disciplines with the Ventrue. My theory then is that it was a Ventrue who was affected by a fey. They do seem more similar in manner to Toreador, but if a fey was involved, I could definitely see it as a changed Ventrue who came away with a dementia on top of an altered discipline.
I'd love to see a video on things like Golconda and or other myths of VtM
Excuse me I would like some tentacles... They could be quite useful as long as I get to choose where they sprout from.
Is the True Brujah considered non-canon or extinct in the current timeline? I know that a lot of DMs don't wanna run this (admittedly) overpowered bloodline but I love RPing as them.
7:41
i can and *will* do this exact thing out of spite cuz i think v5 is good
-will i enjoy it? probly not-
This reminds me, I once made an NPC for a chronicle I GMed that was a Daughter of the Cacophony, and she was this psycho mercenary metal singer. Really fun gal.
I'm still salty we lost Serpentis...
we played a chronicle in early 90's with few phones and stuff, one one of us played a daughter of cacophony and we used her as a form of instant messaging system thanks to melpominee
I would love to hear you cover cyberpunk lore but please keep it up with the world of darkness lore, I want to know more about the first city
1 I found this vid three days ago, and have now watched all of it 6 times.
2 can’t wait for more
3 when are you going to talk about Salubri my dude?
I know Masquerade has very set-in-stone lore for the origins of vampirism, but I've always enjoyed the notion of a primordial, "perfect" strain of vampirism that completely strips all humanity from its victims, transforming them into a leech-like monster that's physically unstoppable, but entirely mindless and terrified of light.
I like this idea because it emphasizes the inherent humanity within all other vampires. Many may idolize "the beast," but in its purest form it isn't some proud hunter or majestic monstrosity, it's a shivering, starving _thing,_ locked away in the dark corners of the world.
Does Truejah count or is that more just personal beliefs?
They have their own discipline which lets them fuck with time. So I’d say yeah they probably count.
True Brujah? Yeah they count. They get a whole other discipline called Temporis which is literally time control.
To the “ . . . having DNA for tentacles but no tentacles . . . ”, aren’t our tongues the same thing? Like technically different, but adjacent definition to a tentacle?
Its been a long time since I have read and or played anything from white wolf vampire the masquerade 3rd addition..
I love many bloodline clans simply because they evoke so much Clive Barker levels of eldritch magic, beyond Tzimisce of course.
Does anyone know what on earth he’s saying at timecode 6:30?