Unedited version. Jay Smith vs Dr Shabir Ally. Excellent Debate.

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  • @dgssn3995
    @dgssn3995 Месяц назад +34

    As a catholic From Senegal, I think These debates should be translated into all languages because Muslim world really needs to hear this.

    • @covffchannel
      @covffchannel  Месяц назад +2

      Would like to invite you for a podcast on my RUclips channel

    • @VineetJohn513
      @VineetJohn513 6 дней назад

      And please translate in Hindi too in 2024 Now I'm watching.​@@covffchannel

  • @raymondschlichting6778
    @raymondschlichting6778 11 месяцев назад +29

    I am impressed by the cooperation between the two speakers and also the audience.

  • @John-db9dc
    @John-db9dc 10 месяцев назад +16

    BIBLE =
    B- basic
    I - instructions
    B- before
    L - leaving
    E - 🌎

  • @voice2712
    @voice2712 Год назад +12

    Invite from Christian Prince: Shabir debate me if you can.

    • @voice2712
      @voice2712 Год назад

      @@ujangsenang5002 give the number to Christian Prince, he will call you
      Platform doesn't matter, you fool

    • @syedshah7510
      @syedshah7510 Год назад

      Christian Prince??? 😅😅😅😅 The dude is a joke

    • @voice2712
      @voice2712 Год назад

      @@syedshah7510 Christian Prince is making the Muslims jokers 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
      Over a thousand Muslims have become Christians after debating Christian Prince
      Your god is an imaginary pimp, and your prophet is paedophile, rapist, mass murderer, and womanizer. He was running a brothel to satisfy his lust.
      And you Muslims are utterly shameless idiots to worship an imaginary pimp, and follow a paedophile.

    • @syedshah7510
      @syedshah7510 Год назад

      @@voice2712 And tens of thousands of Christians are converting to Islam. And your foul-mouthed language shows the gutter from where you come from. CP like all of your apologists are nothing but Paulian harlots who use lies to deceive 😀

    • @pahmenk.mamalampay6259
      @pahmenk.mamalampay6259 Год назад

      Face to face ?

  • @أبوالمجد-ه8ز
    @أبوالمجد-ه8ز 8 месяцев назад +143

    Professor Jay Smiths is just genius, warm greetings to you from a Palestinian Christian

    • @mizanurshopon2749
      @mizanurshopon2749 6 месяцев назад

      Realy?

    • @SHAZIASADLER
      @SHAZIASADLER 4 месяца назад

      Yes, a great preacher. No proof or evidence. No authors no eye witnesses.BUT, YES A GREAT PREACHER OF GREEK MYTHOLOGY.

    • @أبوالمجد-ه8ز
      @أبوالمجد-ه8ز 4 месяца назад +9

      @SHAZIASADLER no Muslim can stand up for his her faith in front of him, especially those who copy Zarathushtra myths, everything he says is scientific

    • @SHAZIASADLER
      @SHAZIASADLER 4 месяца назад

      I AGREE HE IS A GREAT PREACHER & NO ONE CAN STAND UP TO HIS SERMONS HE HIMSELF SAYS THE BIBLE IS NOT THE ACTUAL WORD OF GOD , BUT INSPIRED BY MAN. NO AUTHORS , DON'T REALLY KNOW JUST GUESS WHO WROTE THEM AND NO EVIDENCE. EVEN THE DEAD SEA SCROLLS DONT MENTION A WORD ABOUT JESUS. I WAS A SEVENTH DAY ADVENTIST CHRISTIAN ALL MY LIFE. I HAVE COME CLOSE TO DEATH ONCE & I CAN ASSURE YOU, THERE IS NO GOD HIGHER THAN ALLAH SWT. I LOVE ISA ( PBUH) JESUS AND HIS TEACHINGS. BUT, GREEKS & ROMANS HAVE MADE HIM A GOD. SAME CONCEPT OF ZUES THE FATHER CREATOR OF HEAVENS & EARTH MANKIND AND HIS SON HERCULES BORN HUMAN WENT THROUGH TRIALS & TRIBULATIONS AND IN DEATH HE BECOMES A DEMIGOD WHO GOES TO HEAVEN ( MT. OLYMPUS). THE CONCEPT OF ONE GOD ALONE IS HARD FOR NATIONS TO GRASP. JESUS HIMSELF DID NOT CLAIM TO BE GOD AND TO WORSHIP HIM ONLY. THERE ARE CRUCIAL EPISTLES THAT KING JAMES DID NOT INCLUDE IN THE CANNON OF THE BIBLE. FOR EXAMPLE THE EPISTLE OF BARNABAS WHO WAS WITH JESUS FROM THE BEGINNING LIKE PETER. MATTER OF FACT PETER & BARNABAS TRAVELED AND SPREAD THE TEACHINGS OF JESUS TOGETHER. PETER & PAUL ( PAUL WHO WAS A ROMAN CITIZEN) DID NOT AGREE ABOUT CERTIAN THINGS PAUL WAS SAYING. I JUST GAVE YOU A FEW DISCREPANCIES. "Thou shalt have no other gods before me" appears in the King James Version of the Bible in Exodus 20:3. The verse continues, "You shall not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth". THIS INCLUDES JESUS THE MESSIAH.

    • @SHAZIASADLER
      @SHAZIASADLER 4 месяца назад

      @@أبوالمجد-ه8زTHE GOSPELS ARE DERIVED FROM GREEK MYTHOLOGY AND WRITTEN & TRANSLATED INTO GREEK BY PAUL A ROMAN CITIZEN & A HELLENISTIC JEW
      JESUS BY THE WAY SPOKE ARAMIAC & HEBREW. MOSTLY ARAMIAC AS IT WAS THE MOST COMMON SPOKEN LANGUAGE AT THAT TIME.

  • @ej2832
    @ej2832 9 месяцев назад +351

    My faith in Christianity has strengthened: Thank you Jay❤

    • @ChupaChoddy
      @ChupaChoddy 9 месяцев назад +3

      Same to me
      The Qur'an have the number that the bible don't
      You can asked arab British and Asian to read the Qur'an and they will read the same
      But try to do that to bible
      Noo you can't do that, ..
      Have you ever heard the Chanel call efdawa and hamza den ?

    • @ThunderingG
      @ThunderingG 9 месяцев назад +11

      @@ChupaChoddygo to a Muslim in North Africa and one in Pakistan they won’t read it the same. You clearly ignored Jay’s entire proof and point.

    • @paksumat
      @paksumat 9 месяцев назад +1

      I pity you...

    • @paksumat
      @paksumat 9 месяцев назад

      I pity you @ej2832

    • @ChupaChoddy
      @ChupaChoddy 9 месяцев назад

      @@ThunderingG can you give me evidence what they read,, is it not beginning with alhamdulillah??

  • @abubakarabdulmumeen9364
    @abubakarabdulmumeen9364 Год назад +513

    To be honest, I respect Shabir for his calmness BUT Jay clearly won the debate

    • @TrevinOwens-r5k
      @TrevinOwens-r5k Год назад +9

      Did you leave islam?

    • @ahmedameen2
      @ahmedameen2 Год назад +8

      Fake account

    • @waymilky442
      @waymilky442 11 месяцев назад +7

      Certainly not. The opposite.

    • @jerinjoseph7420
      @jerinjoseph7420 10 месяцев назад +32

      I want to know, in Quran and The Bible it's clear that Jesus is in heaven. But when it comes to Mohammed it's unknown what happened to him after death. So if he is in hell whoever believes him and his religion are going to hell...right. Think Muslims...

    • @tacticaltradingpennystocks7206
      @tacticaltradingpennystocks7206 10 месяцев назад +33

      1 Yes, The Bible is inspired
      2 Yes, teachings are beneficial
      3 No false prophecies
      4 Jesus is YHWH in the flesh
      5 Absolutely no contradictions in The KJV
      So we are good. This guy poked more holes in the Quran than a spaghetti strainer. This is the Word of Satan.
      He who has the SON has life, and he who has not the SON, has not life

  • @petersathiyanathan3107
    @petersathiyanathan3107 Год назад +151

    Dr Shabir didn't answer the question of the audience on why Muslim majority country do not allow Bible to be available freely to the people as compared to Christian majority country where Quran is freely available? With current modern era , this is only happening to the Bible.. Why? Because they r worried that the true Word Of GOD will change their lives ...

    • @enigmaspectator
      @enigmaspectator Год назад +5

      That’s the government problem

    • @ndjibukabengele973
      @ndjibukabengele973 10 месяцев назад

      Nah, the governments in the west were inspired by Christianity to give people freedom just like the God of the Bible created humans with a free will. It's not the governments problem in Islamic countries but the ideology of Islam. @@enigmaspectator

    • @mazal6157
      @mazal6157 6 месяцев назад

      He did , the Quran doesn't but countries do. These are Muslim countries but not Islamic countries most are run by dictators who actually even hate islam

    • @johnmead9012
      @johnmead9012 6 месяцев назад +2

      ​@Queenzclub you spelled Islam wrong

    • @mralchemist3976
      @mralchemist3976 6 месяцев назад +2

      Bro nobody believe in bible....it's ridiculously can't be understand

  • @Artemidia
    @Artemidia 7 месяцев назад +15

    As an atheist, i really enjoyed this debate, dr Jay clearly won

  • @FatherPadrino
    @FatherPadrino 7 месяцев назад +18

    I just love that they hugged at the end. I hope that the Muslim world is filled with good men like Dr.Shabir.

  • @taititoroma5492
    @taititoroma5492 11 месяцев назад +61

    Wow Jay Smith just so humble..God bless ❤

  • @christopheralias
    @christopheralias 11 месяцев назад +353

    As a person born in the Middle East, Im amazed at this revelation. I hope more and more Muslims hear this!

    • @ayoubalbalushi729
      @ayoubalbalushi729 9 месяцев назад +5

      He first said that the Bible is the word of God, then he said that it is not a complete book because we do not have the original copy [45:12]
      THEN he said that some parts were added to the Bible [46:07],
      THEN he said that this is not the word of God, but rather the words of a person inspired by God [52:38].
      So he admits that the Bible is not the word of God and that it is distorted.

    • @corneliusmentz2910
      @corneliusmentz2910 9 месяцев назад +7

      Spread the Word my friend. Share this video far and wide.

    • @jamboyona3726
      @jamboyona3726 9 месяцев назад +4

      Thank God for the blessing of Islam

    • @sweynforkbeard8857
      @sweynforkbeard8857 9 месяцев назад +6

      @@jamboyona3726 How is a total lie a blessing? Am I missing something?

    • @sweynforkbeard8857
      @sweynforkbeard8857 9 месяцев назад +14

      @@ayoubalbalushi729 Yep, that's an honest understanding of the Bible. Now if only you could give me an honest understanding of the Quran. You just had one delivered by Jay in this debate but you're not listening.

  • @YosafatNugraha
    @YosafatNugraha 9 месяцев назад +40

    The problem with Shabir argument on quranic miracle like 365 days is that 365 days is a system based on solar calendar, whilst islam uses lunar calendar. So this argument is flawed.

    • @RareSweety
      @RareSweety 3 месяца назад +3

      They copied it from Indians, Indians were very advanced back then in technology and science. They had trade relations with them.

    • @BookerFakeToughGuy
      @BookerFakeToughGuy 8 дней назад

      This!

  • @ArnaldoJrMaata
    @ArnaldoJrMaata 10 месяцев назад +117

    That was the most peaceful debate ive seen so far..nicely carried by both parties who are well mannered..dr shabir is worth the respect as well as jay smith.❤

    • @eddybella9073
      @eddybella9073 10 месяцев назад +2

      💯

    • @Sumanjoshii
      @Sumanjoshii 2 месяца назад

      Well he won’t be same if the debate conducted in significant Muslim countries 😂. Search the word “Altaqua “

  • @susiervo1
    @susiervo1 11 месяцев назад +102

    Shabbir always manages to stay calm and non aggressive compared to other islamic apologists. Even while recieving a thurough refutation.

    • @waymilky442
      @waymilky442 11 месяцев назад

      Refutation? Troll! Hahah!

    • @ndjibukabengele973
      @ndjibukabengele973 10 месяцев назад +14

      Dr Shabbir is a different breed, I like how civilized He is compared to the muslims I see debating.

    • @simplesimon287
      @simplesimon287 9 месяцев назад

      He was not refuted. His arguments were cogent, valid, and he correctly put things into context. There is no winner in this debate. They were both excellent. However, Jay Smith at times behaved a little like a 'bible puncher', making some statements believable without foundation: ideal for trying to convert others, hence why so many commentators thought he won the debate. Both sets of arguments were valid. Both the Quran and Bible have been modified and consolidated over time, with similar time periods and evolutionary steps. In terms of teaching, they are opposed: the Quran is the story of the life and times of Muhammad, an excellent leader and thinker of his time, who set rules appropriate to that time for the survival of his tribes and the care of the dependents of those who died at war and how to live in peace with each other at that time in history. The Old Testament is a story of the history of the Jewish race, with numerous wars, and the New Testament is the story of hope, of living in peace. As with all religions, religious rules have developed over time, known as tradition, with most of the rules that are followed today being made by man that were never intended by the founders of those religions.

    • @rosalindabashiya7745
      @rosalindabashiya7745 7 месяцев назад

      ​@@simplesimon287
      M

    • @Muwahid999
      @Muwahid999 7 месяцев назад

      ​@@simplesimon287you better ask your questions to Muhammad Ali regarding preservation of Quran, he will show you evidences

  • @buddywyatt2940
    @buddywyatt2940 Год назад +46

    Jay said "lets keep that down." Respect for not excepting praise rather educating those while showing humbleness.

  • @maryblessing2205
    @maryblessing2205 11 месяцев назад +319

    Dr. Shadir is well learned. Why does he deny the truth ? Pride gets in the way. Hate gets in the way. ❤❤❤

    • @CuriousDils
      @CuriousDils 11 месяцев назад +27

      Also the fact that for someone in his stature it would he hard to leave. The death threats among other things??

    • @ibrakhan4272
      @ibrakhan4272 11 месяцев назад +7

      What truth does he deny??

    • @arsenalboss1399
      @arsenalboss1399 11 месяцев назад +6

      What truth???

    • @waymilky442
      @waymilky442 11 месяцев назад +1

      Don't talk nonsense.

    • @waymilky442
      @waymilky442 11 месяцев назад +2

      He is in the path of Truth.

  • @margarethpryor7256
    @margarethpryor7256 11 месяцев назад +122

    Great debate. This is the first muslin debater who is polite, humble and respectful. I’m really impress with the doctor

    • @waymilky442
      @waymilky442 11 месяцев назад +3

      Stop being so hateful.

    • @ndjibukabengele973
      @ndjibukabengele973 10 месяцев назад +3

      Dr Shabir is one of a kind.

    • @ndjibukabengele973
      @ndjibukabengele973 10 месяцев назад

      Nobody is hateful, we're stating facts, most I see debate always arrogant, condescending and rude. Dr Shabir is a great man.@@waymilky442

    • @munizw3800
      @munizw3800 9 месяцев назад +2

      I couldn’t wait for him to finish with All the number thing 😂

    • @heikejohannajahns3257
      @heikejohannajahns3257 9 месяцев назад +4

      Isn't it asthonishing that we remark that at all? That a polite islamic debator is such a pink elephant?

  • @honeysingh5497
    @honeysingh5497 Год назад +305

    Jay smith won the hearts of many with this debate ❤

    • @originalandrewmark
      @originalandrewmark Год назад

      Jay is a liar, same as ALL others who desire to be light skinned.

    • @fawzifadhel1173
      @fawzifadhel1173 Год назад +13

      Islam only way of life … it will come time every body will bow down

    • @honeysingh5497
      @honeysingh5497 Год назад

      @@fawzifadhel1173 when islam will rise all over the world than it will be destruction of the world. Nowadays people are leaving islam.

    • @sakilahmed2871
      @sakilahmed2871 Год назад +2

      So why you still not leaving Hinduism?

    • @honeysingh5497
      @honeysingh5497 Год назад

      @@sakilahmed2871 why do i have to leave hinduism.. hinduism is the best religion in the world.. you should leave islam.. islam is misguiding the people. Islam and quran is book of slave,sex and terrorism. I would just say leave islam and be real human. 🙏

  • @omide_naw
    @omide_naw Год назад +69

    No chance for Shabir, He looks like a first-class student.😉
    Great job Jay..🙏
    Happy to be Ex Muslime 🎉 🎊

    • @alexbenny6469
      @alexbenny6469 Год назад +3

      That's your punishment, Islam kicked you out without you realizing That's called a wrath

    • @omide_naw
      @omide_naw Год назад

      @alexbenny6469
      Tanx Islam for kicking me out.
      U save me from the Sexlover killer and Lair Mohammad with his Satanic book

    • @smitaq
      @smitaq 10 месяцев назад

      ​@@alexbenny6469Christians don't fear the wrath of the devil.... So it's a blessing to be kicked out of islam... 😂😂😂😂😂
      Better late than never to walk the right path

    • @ashishcharan7377
      @ashishcharan7377 9 месяцев назад +1

      Still I do not think Muslims are bad people. They are also the children of God. Maybe they may need correction. Many Christians need correction. THere is only ONE GOD.

    • @omide_naw
      @omide_naw 9 месяцев назад

      @ashishcharan7377
      ofcurse Muslimes are not bad people.
      my whole family are Muslimes.
      but Islam is the Satan way and encouraging people to hate others. Anyone who follow Islam rules, their hearts become more hard and hateful
      and Mohammad was just a Sexlover killer and Lair who used relegion to earn money, women for Sex and popularity, so he did it.

  • @paulfrancisdesouza6060
    @paulfrancisdesouza6060 9 месяцев назад +10

    The Central Chapter of the Bible: Psalms 118
    The fact can be argued depending on what Bible version you are using, but by most reckoning, the very center of the Bible when measured by chapter count is Psalms 118.
    Here are some other fun facts surrounding Psalm 118:
    The longest chapter of the Bible falls just after this center chapter-- Psalm 119.
    The shortest chapter of the Bible falls just after this center chapter-- Psalm 117.
    There are exactly 594 chapters before Psalm 118, and exactly 594 chapters after it. When you add the number of chapters before Psalms 118 and those after, the sum is 1,118.
    And the verse at the very center of the Bible is Psalms 118:8.
    The Center Verse; Psalm 118:8 - "It is better to take refuge in the Lord than to trust in man."

    • @VeltronV2
      @VeltronV2 3 месяца назад

      The sum is 594+594 = 1188 you wrote 1118 . Correct it

  • @rajarajachola6508
    @rajarajachola6508 Год назад +142

    Jay smith won the debate in the first 35 minutes.

    • @waymilky442
      @waymilky442 11 месяцев назад +1

      Absolutely not the opposite.

    • @ndjibukabengele973
      @ndjibukabengele973 10 месяцев назад

      An eternal book that was standardized in 1985 and canonized in 1924? Oh boy! It took Allah more than a 1200 years after prophet Muhammad to give muslims this so called his eternal words. Why didn't Dr Shabir refute all the fraudulent corrections on all the manuscripts? Lol, Dr Jay won this debate in his first 35 minutes. Dr Shabir had no choice but hide behind the coincidences of the mathematical numbers. @@waymilky442

    • @kiranninansunny374
      @kiranninansunny374 10 месяцев назад

      cry more bro jay smith actually won
      @@waymilky442

    • @MrBlueSky67
      @MrBlueSky67 8 месяцев назад +13

      The first 5 minutes.

    • @RareSweety
      @RareSweety 3 месяца назад +2

      That too with evidence, not by saying "this book has equal number of words so some divine hand was present in writing it". 😂

  • @cherian25
    @cherian25 11 месяцев назад +220

    As a Muslim, debates like this making me question my faith.

    • @desert_rose7171
      @desert_rose7171 11 месяцев назад +23

      Ask that the truth be revealed to you

    • @agbojoadebola7428
      @agbojoadebola7428 9 месяцев назад +1

      Muhammed was a sinful man, Jesus is sinless and He's coming back to judge mankind....please think deeply and accept Jesus

    • @ThunderingG
      @ThunderingG 9 месяцев назад +17

      Pray that the truth will be shown to you and study the facts and more debates by people such as Sam Shamoun and Christian Prince.

    • @jigimujigi
      @jigimujigi 9 месяцев назад +12

      If you are Muslim follow Quran nothing else, but if you are not Muslim just saying you are Muslim to draw a conclusion Jesus will turn his face from you in the day of judgement.

    • @bkoch1
      @bkoch1 9 месяцев назад

      It should. Digging into the Quran reveals nothing but falsehoods, contradictions, and rules to satisfy the sexual and personal preferences of an illiterate man that was visited by a demon.

  • @ensenqui
    @ensenqui Год назад +58

    Jay thank you for defending Jesus , he died, was crucified and rose again, hallelujah 🙌🌎✝️🙏

    • @findtruth5329
      @findtruth5329 Год назад +1

      So, then there was no sacrifice for mankind, right? A 3 day vacation to save all humanity from the very nature and purpose that gives them value? Morality?makes a lot of sense if you're an idolator.

    • @robertbuckey6517
      @robertbuckey6517 10 месяцев назад +4

      ​@findtruth5329 the crucifixion was the sacrifice.

    • @ThunderingG
      @ThunderingG 9 месяцев назад +2

      @@findtruth5329 Do you even know what the crucifixion and resurrection is and why it was necessary?? Please educate yourself as the Hadith literature says that Jews and Christians will be put in hell to save Muslims who have sins the size of mountains, now if THAT isn't idolatry idk what is

  • @Watcher_88s
    @Watcher_88s 9 месяцев назад +6

    Ive always said this about Dr. Shabir Ally that hes a very wise man yet when it comes to The Actual Word of God he is blind towards the truth. His own Quran calls Jesus the 'Lagos' meaning the Word of God. Not the way Shabir explained it that Allah created Jesus by his word . If thats what Shabir is claiming then Adam should also be called the Lagos or the word of God since he was created by saying Be and he was. You see why that argument does not hold true. I dont ustnd why Shabir doesnt see these contradictions in his book.

  • @botohosumikibaminaga3297
    @botohosumikibaminaga3297 10 месяцев назад +70

    Shabir ally is an intelligent, respectful gentleman, he has searched god with all his heart...I pray that his eyes be opened to see the truth.

    • @jamboyona3726
      @jamboyona3726 9 месяцев назад +3

      ​@@pasttense942Thank God for the blessing of Islam

    • @jamboyona3726
      @jamboyona3726 9 месяцев назад +1

      Thank God for the blessing of Islam

    • @dericdepanton
      @dericdepanton 7 месяцев назад

      Thank God for the blessings of Islam?
      Are you kidding.
      Why not just kiss Satan's feet.

    • @lexyls4777
      @lexyls4777 7 месяцев назад +3

      @@jamboyona3726blessing? What’s the blessing

    • @MrInfoPhilly
      @MrInfoPhilly 6 месяцев назад +4

      Of he searched for God with all his heart,
      He would NOT Deny the Christ Jesus

  • @islanderws
    @islanderws 11 месяцев назад +93

    As one of the famous Muslims scholar ones said, “Our Standard Islamic Narrative(SIN) has holes in it.” Dr.Jay Smith completely destroyed the perfect preservation narrative by Muslims. There’s a reason why Dr. Ali is a Quran only Muslim now, and doesn’t believe in the Hadiths anymore,because he realize he cannot defend a lot of embarrassing stuff in their Islamic sources.

    • @YeetYeetYe
      @YeetYeetYe 8 месяцев назад +3

      Umm, he is not a Quran only muslim. How did this get 22 thumbs up lmfao.

    • @daphneappleyard5956
      @daphneappleyard5956 7 месяцев назад +1

      The truth will set you free

    • @Moonzzie
      @Moonzzie 5 месяцев назад

      that famous scholar 'yaser qadhi' IS NOT A SCHOLAR he is a deviant and has crazy beliefs about islam

    • @mickterror-hp4xx
      @mickterror-hp4xx 3 месяца назад +2

      There are 60000 hadith and only 10% is authentic. This is the belief of all muslims not only dr. Aly. Please do some more research

    • @katme0w390
      @katme0w390 2 месяца назад

      Thank God that video of Yasir Qadi is perfectly preserved! 😂😂😂

  • @GURISHAELI
    @GURISHAELI 10 месяцев назад +29

    This is really amazing, debating no hatred. Bless you both Dr. Jay and Dr. Shabir

  • @sinfins
    @sinfins 6 месяцев назад +42

    I am a Christian and I will pray for Shabir who is clearly a good, kind and generous soul. In the word of Jay, ‘come home’ Shabir.

  • @Nowhereher
    @Nowhereher 10 месяцев назад +26

    According to shabbier,you need to know mathematics to go to heaven 😂😂😂

    • @shelfraalowe4301
      @shelfraalowe4301 8 месяцев назад +1

      😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @abespeaks6718
      @abespeaks6718 7 месяцев назад +1

      Lol I'd also say that he's using only this standardized Quran, but what about the other Qurans which have more surahs? That's an obvious hole in that argument. I think he leaned way too hard on this argument.

    • @markrobert230
      @markrobert230 4 месяца назад

      Funny 😂😂😂

    • @kirstinjaftha2066
      @kirstinjaftha2066 22 дня назад

      I find number 1 to be very powerfull even greater than 19
      😂
      55/55 equals 1
      2/2 =1
      10^0=1
      😢😢😢

  • @Success3797
    @Success3797 11 месяцев назад +165

    It's high time that every Muslim who can read to begins reading the Bible..to find out for himself who is telling the truth .👌👌.

    • @KevinChavis
      @KevinChavis 11 месяцев назад +10

      I have read both, and find the Quran more compelling. I find it more honest in the story of Prophet Lut PBUH than the Bible's Lot. How can a Prophet have children with his daughters? I feel it must have been added later on by those who did not like the message of this Prophet, who spoke to people who raped and attacked visitors and immigrants to their cities. We see the same xenophobia all over the world now, which is so sad because we will likely have more climate refugees this century and the next than ever before.

    • @Success3797
      @Success3797 11 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@KevinChavis Lot was not a Prophet,, he was just Abraham's nephew not more not less ..now when the Qur'an copies some parts of The Bible and changes names trying to make it look Authentic ..it is called a fraud ...The Quran is nothing but a fraudulent book designed to teach hatred..lies, and hypocrisy in people.: If it is original how come that all the people mentioned are Jews ? PPs Deejal means antichrist what has it to do with Islam

    • @issaaabella1225
      @issaaabella1225 11 месяцев назад +2

      I read both. I opened the bible and read the first page and found out day and night was there before the sun … the fruits and veg were created before the sun . After that it all was a laughable read

    • @KevinChavis
      @KevinChavis 11 месяцев назад +4

      @@issaaabella1225 What do we as humanity know how the universe was created and life started? What if life was first created in a different time period in our universe? Before our sun existed. Life need not be at the same time. Mars used to have water and an atmosphere - no more. Venus could have had life but too much energy is trapped in its atmosphere. Life on Earth isn't as simple as many think, we're being blessed by Allah SWT with life here.

    • @issaaabella1225
      @issaaabella1225 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@KevinChavis right on bro ! I agree with u ! But it is a matter of common sense that Allah never created fruits and veg on earth before the sun . Or you can’t have day and night without sun .

  • @barnabuspoomph
    @barnabuspoomph Год назад +57

    One thing i learned from dr ally was that satan is good at mathematics

    • @deuslaudetur2451
      @deuslaudetur2451 Год назад +7

      It was a very odd argument, interesting, but odd. Because he was pretty much trying to show that the quran is provably divinely inspired by using math. Okay, great. But that alone is very vague, divine is a general term the refers to God and god(s). god(s) is a general term that could refer to God, god(s), angels, demons, humans even. And now you have to rely on your presuppositions to come to the conclusion that it is ALLAH that uses math and him only. Can it not be a demon that knows math well? Why does it have to be Allah?

    • @waymilky442
      @waymilky442 11 месяцев назад

      Or that you are Satan.

    • @lindafenderson4226
      @lindafenderson4226 10 месяцев назад +5

      ​@@Users_rxAI is good at mathmatics.

    • @jamesflannery-serle3489
      @jamesflannery-serle3489 9 месяцев назад +4

      ​@@lindafenderson4226Ai programmed by woman and man

    • @innocentngcobo6072
      @innocentngcobo6072 9 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@deuslaudetur2451Why does it have to be the devil 😂. What satisfaction will you get if it's the devil?

  • @أبوالمجد-ه8ز
    @أبوالمجد-ه8ز 8 месяцев назад +36

    Please professor Smiths, teach more people to become like you, we need more people like you, Mr. David Wood, and Sam Shamoun

  • @KevThaConqueror
    @KevThaConqueror 2 месяца назад +4

    wow , the 35 minutes Jay had were used to PERFECTION , Shabir spent his time waffling about numerical "miracles" 🤣 my goodness , what a way to run from your own book/manuscripts

  • @casta9172
    @casta9172 Год назад +169

    Glory and Praise to the one true God, Jesus Christ ,, thank you Jay Smith my brother for spreading the truth and Gospel

    • @أفلاكالأفكار
      @أفلاكالأفكار Год назад +1

      The Jews and Romans were able to kill God??

    • @de1623
      @de1623 Год назад +7

      @@أفلاكالأفكار Nope, read John 10:18. LORD Jesus laid down his life of his own accord. Read God's word, The Bible.

    • @أفلاكالأفكار
      @أفلاكالأفكار Год назад

      God dies? That sounds blasphemous.@@de1623

    • @de1623
      @de1623 Год назад +4

      @@أفلاكالأفكار God can only does what muslims allow him to do?? That sounds blasphemous!

    • @أفلاكالأفكار
      @أفلاكالأفكار Год назад

      Why are you acting silly for the sake of argumentation?
      You know that God Almighty doesn't die, but rather He is the Ever Living (Jeremiah 10:10)@@de1623

  • @bxn1607
    @bxn1607 10 месяцев назад +132

    Not convinced by anything Dr Shabir argued, but credit to him for being the only Muslim who debates respectfully.

    • @fredbloggs1993
      @fredbloggs1993 3 месяца назад +2

      You can hear the frustration in his voice as he tries to hold it all together.

    • @erikborg
      @erikborg 2 месяца назад +3

      How can he keep it together? Even me who are not a scholar can defend the authenticity of the bible!

    • @BookerFakeToughGuy
      @BookerFakeToughGuy 2 месяца назад

      He's the only muslim apologist who does not come as cringe or conceited. Shabir did well in this debate but Jay Smith's material is beyond unbelievable

    • @MoseseTamani
      @MoseseTamani Месяц назад

      Thank you Dr Shabbir for your willingness to appear for this debate,God bless you,sir, welcome to Fiji where God is his footstool,amen

  • @rushivani454
    @rushivani454 Год назад +290

    Jay Smith won the debate. His words make sense.

    • @jamalodenbasar8010
      @jamalodenbasar8010 11 месяцев назад +12

      Sabir won the debate. Jay quoted Qur'an verses OUT OF CONTEXT....

    • @amruthraj2962
      @amruthraj2962 11 месяцев назад +15

      ​@@jamalodenbasar8010😂 Sabir did the same dude 😂
      Ur mohammed suits for prophet?

    • @waymilky442
      @waymilky442 11 месяцев назад

      The opposite but you're so blind.

    • @evamyers5457
      @evamyers5457 10 месяцев назад +7

      @@jamalodenbasar8010On what grounds did he win the only thing happen was everybody mouth dropped when we found out how many books was written and it wasn’t finalized 1985 This means it was given and eternal is a bald face lie and everything else is too shocking and disgusted with the lies

    • @catholicrusader7
      @catholicrusader7 9 месяцев назад +2

      @@jamalodenbasar8010like how muslims do with the Bible all the time? cope more

  • @WinstonBarnes-jz4ll
    @WinstonBarnes-jz4ll 8 месяцев назад +66

    As I am watching Dr. Shabir Ally's first 35 minutes of defending the present version of the Quran and hearing him saying that this is God's/Allah's inspired version of the Quran due to the mathematics in the book. >>> What came to my mind, as he is using this for his defense, is that Satan and the fallen angels ,also, have knowledge of mathematics. Knowing that, how can one conclude that the final version of the Quran is "divinely" inspired based on the mathematics????

    • @sanjatae1060
      @sanjatae1060 6 месяцев назад +2

      You nailed it on the Head. When I heard this first, I knew something is wrong. Word of God is much more powerful than the mathematics.

    • @larzkiddinglasan2345
      @larzkiddinglasan2345 5 месяцев назад

      KAYA NGA😊

    • @danieldiaz7050
      @danieldiaz7050 4 месяца назад +2

      Also when he was talking math I thought he was going to say something like the quaran gives the equation for circumference of the observable universe, but he ended up saying hot and cold are mentioned the same numbe of times lmfao

    • @jaspreetsingh-gb6yb
      @jaspreetsingh-gb6yb 4 месяца назад +1

      There are people who wrote algebra and other mathematical formulas so does it means it’s a word of God

    • @mickterror-hp4xx
      @mickterror-hp4xx 3 месяца назад

      So you do believe it is not man made?

  • @mauielectriccruisers
    @mauielectriccruisers 11 месяцев назад +72

    I love the hug at the end. I had many personal Christian friends and church members killed by misguided Muslims, I had to obey Jesus and turn the other cheek. For knowledge/ debates/ research, tongues/ prophecy, etc… shall fail, but love never fails. Thank you both for your sincere love and convictions…

    • @micheldelecourt3176
      @micheldelecourt3176 10 месяцев назад

      Well they killed each what they fail both reigion are cousin and brother that is the side of it

    • @Linguist95
      @Linguist95 9 месяцев назад

      No you didn’t, stop lying.

    • @ayoubalbalushi729
      @ayoubalbalushi729 9 месяцев назад +1

      He first said that the Bible is the word of God, then he said that it is not a complete book because we do not have the original copy [45:12]
      THEN he said that some parts were added to the Bible [46:07],
      THEN he said that this is not the word of God, but rather the words of a person inspired by God [52:38].
      So he admits that the Bible is not the word of God and that it is distorted.

    • @maryblanc2289
      @maryblanc2289 8 месяцев назад

      You have to research further. The Koran, hadiths, tafsirs, fatwas are very clear. We definitely don’t worship the same God.

    • @ayoubalbalushi729
      @ayoubalbalushi729 8 месяцев назад

      @@maryblanc2289 there is only one God so we have to worship the same God 🤗

  • @UdenRicefield
    @UdenRicefield 10 месяцев назад +78

    Great presentation by Jay Smith telling that the Bible is the True Word of God Almighty.

    • @mazal6157
      @mazal6157 6 месяцев назад +3

      He admitted the Bible was not word of God actually but written by men

    • @nicoleela2617
      @nicoleela2617 6 месяцев назад

      ​@@mazal6157your lying what Dr. Jay Smith was the bible was WRITTEN by men.. that's why it called MANUSCRIPT..
      even your Quran was written by Men and burned by Uthman.. and made a 5 copies..

    • @woo2141
      @woo2141 6 месяцев назад +2

      then how else would it be written lol?? Do you think God himself will come down and write the book? Jay Smith meant that the apostles (which is men) wrote Jesus words (meaning Gods words).

    • @hariom_000
      @hariom_000 3 месяца назад

      Read srimad bahgwad geeta

    • @Soullyy_
      @Soullyy_ Месяц назад +1

      @@mazal6157 We think it's God's word and written by men through God's holy spirit.

  • @marissaigar8323
    @marissaigar8323 Год назад +58

    Good job Mr Jay... God bless you and all Christians

    • @ayoubalbalushi729
      @ayoubalbalushi729 9 месяцев назад +1

      He first said that the Bible is the word of God, then he said that it is not a complete book because we do not have the original copy [45:12]
      THEN he said that some parts were added to the Bible [46:07],
      THEN he said that this is not the word of God, but rather the words of a person inspired by God [52:38].
      So he admits that the Bible is not the word of God and that it is distorted.

    • @bubbles_x
      @bubbles_x 9 месяцев назад +3

      @@ayoubalbalushi729 you are in every comment😂

  • @unterdruckmusik
    @unterdruckmusik Месяц назад +3

    Every Active Muslim has that Dead Aura, Dark, no Light in their eyes.

  • @jebondam8438
    @jebondam8438 10 месяцев назад +63

    May Dr. Shabir see the light and accept the Lord Jesus Christ Glorified as his Lord and savior.

    • @ayoubalbalushi729
      @ayoubalbalushi729 9 месяцев назад +1

      He first said that the Bible is the word of God, then he said that it is not a complete book because we do not have the original copy [45:12]
      THEN he said that some parts were added to the Bible [46:07],
      THEN he said that this is not the word of God, but rather the words of a person inspired by God [52:38].
      So he admits that the Bible is not the word of God and that it is distorted.

    • @Wdabirilen
      @Wdabirilen 5 месяцев назад

      @@ayoubalbalushi72910:10

    • @Ubbe6
      @Ubbe6 5 месяцев назад +2

      @@ayoubalbalushi729Bible is the Word of God in the meaning true history down written by imperfect men. But the copies are very careful copied under centuries. The teaching in the Bible is given from God to men inspired through the Holy Spirit. In Christianity the spiritual relation to God throw Jesus Christ is the important thing, not the “book” itself. You can trust the teaching in the Bible, even if small changes may have happened through the centuries. But the biggest evidence for christianity is when you receive Jesus in your heart through the Holy Spirit and confess him as your Savior. If you do it with all your heart you will be born again!😀❤️🙏

    • @ayoubalbalushi729
      @ayoubalbalushi729 5 месяцев назад

      @@Ubbe6 great words🌹
      Imagine if a Buddhist person said something like this, instead of saying Jesus says Buddha, would you follow the Buddhists? You said follow the teachings of Christ. Well, where can I find these teachings? Isn't it in the Bible? What guarantees that this teaching has not been distorted as well? It was mentioned in the Bible that Jesus was praying. To whom was he praying? Why not imitate Christ and pray to the same God to whom Christ prayed.
      Why do the Ten Commandments call for the monotheism of God and then we see some people saying that Jesus is a god?
      Then what is the evidence that Jesus is the son of God?
      It is stated in the Bible that all believers in God are sons of God. Are all believing human beings truly sons of God, or is the word “son” here a metaphorical expression for love, mercy, and closeness?
      🌹☺️

    • @26ML_MM
      @26ML_MM 4 месяца назад +1

      @jebondam8438:🙏🏽Amen🙏🏽

  • @hanokhparmarservantofgod3013
    @hanokhparmarservantofgod3013 11 месяцев назад +27

    JAY IS BLESSED PERSON

    • @ayoubalbalushi729
      @ayoubalbalushi729 9 месяцев назад

      He first said that the Bible is the word of God, then he said that it is not a complete book because we do not have the original copy [45:12]
      THEN he said that some parts were added to the Bible [46:07],
      THEN he said that this is not the word of God, but rather the words of a person inspired by God [52:38].
      So he admits that the Bible is not the word of God and that it is distorted.

  • @succulentsfun
    @succulentsfun Год назад +72

    I am a Christian but was curious about Islam. My faith has been strengthened by both Jay and Shabir. Will pray for Shabir, hope that his eyes be opened to see the light.

    • @mahmudshiil135
      @mahmudshiil135 Год назад +7

      We pray for christians as Muslims so that the almighty can guide them to the truth which is Quran, ISLAM was the religion of all prophets of Allah(Ellah)/(God) how Jesus PBUH called God.
      And to say God Almighty has come to earth in human form and had child is a blasphemy. So read Quran before you die that is all we ask for.

    • @succulentsfun
      @succulentsfun Год назад +10

      @@mahmudshiil135 God walked into human history to become a man to suffer with us, to suffer for us, to save us. How pitiful you cannot see the greatest LOVE. We pray for you and other unbelievers, may your hearts be opened to see the truth, to see the Love of God.

    • @ThunderingG
      @ThunderingG 9 месяцев назад +2

      Sam Shamoun has great educational things for Christians about that topic

    • @ayoubalbalushi729
      @ayoubalbalushi729 9 месяцев назад +1

      He first said that the Bible is the word of God, then he said that it is not a complete book because we do not have the original copy [45:12]
      THEN he said that some parts were added to the Bible [46:07],
      THEN he said that this is not the word of God, but rather the words of a person inspired by God [52:38].
      So he admits that the Bible is not the word of God and that it is distorted.

    • @gembizniz
      @gembizniz 9 месяцев назад +1

      what are you talkig about, there are literally thousands of different bibiles in the word. there are more different versions of bible than there is different breeds of dogs.

  • @AdolfDevis
    @AdolfDevis 3 месяца назад +7

    The winner of the debate is Dr Jay Smith.

  • @Mel-ek3vw
    @Mel-ek3vw Год назад +94

    If I were Dr Shabir I would reject Islam after such a schooling from Jay Smith.

    • @BulkanHibokhibok
      @BulkanHibokhibok 11 месяцев назад +5

      He can't because of his pride like Lucifer.

    • @BulkanHibokhibok
      @BulkanHibokhibok 11 месяцев назад

      Quran is inspired by Satan with the Satanic Verses.

    • @ayoubalbalushi729
      @ayoubalbalushi729 9 месяцев назад +2

      He first said that the Bible is the word of God, then he said that it is not a complete book because we do not have the original copy [45:12]
      THEN he said that some parts were added to the Bible [46:07],
      THEN he said that this is not the word of God, but rather the words of a person inspired by God [52:38].
      So he admits that the Bible is not the word of God and that it is distorted.

    • @Mel-ek3vw
      @Mel-ek3vw 9 месяцев назад +1

      The sacred text portrays God's direct words as verbatim, while the inspired word of God is conveyed through individuals who spoke as divinely guided. Often presented in reported speech, these messages serve as a bridge between the divine and human, delivering profound teachings and insights.

    • @heikejohannajahns3257
      @heikejohannajahns3257 9 месяцев назад

      ​@@ayoubalbalushi729the bible was canonized, and so was the qur'an .

  • @michaelramotar6145
    @michaelramotar6145 Год назад +8

    Shabir you are lying through your teeth 😢😢

  • @jerryengstrom9003
    @jerryengstrom9003 5 месяцев назад +15

    Jay actually totaly demolish Shabir.

    • @salaheldeans5837
      @salaheldeans5837 5 месяцев назад +1

      Obviously you have been watching a different debate

    • @deboldsinas6415
      @deboldsinas6415 Месяц назад

      @@salaheldeans5837oh muslim, please swallow your pride. All of you are the same, arrogant and never accepts mistakes

    • @Beauty-x3w
      @Beauty-x3w 15 дней назад +1

      ​@salaheldeans5837 hahaha what planet your on

    • @Zxcv77-s8i
      @Zxcv77-s8i 3 дня назад

      @@Beauty-x3wand where are you from. Rektoom?

  • @sanjeewabotheju7281
    @sanjeewabotheju7281 11 месяцев назад +52

    Dear, sir Jay Smith, Your way of explanation is highly appreciated. well-done sir. God always with you... I pray for God that may our good Lord protects you all the evils...

    • @ayoubalbalushi729
      @ayoubalbalushi729 9 месяцев назад +1

      He first said that the Bible is the word of God, then he said that it is not a complete book because we do not have the original copy [45:12]
      THEN he said that some parts were added to the Bible [46:07],
      THEN he said that this is not the word of God, but rather the words of a person inspired by God [52:38].
      So he admits that the Bible is not the word of God and that it is distorted.

    • @SolAnsay
      @SolAnsay 6 месяцев назад

      Jesus the Prince of peace wins🙏🙏🙏

  • @Hxrocks22
    @Hxrocks22 Год назад +46

    Thanks jay for speaking the truth

    • @findtruth5329
      @findtruth5329 Год назад

      He doesn't even know the "true" name of GZeus lol but he's speaking the truth? Hello? A more obvious sign that Christians are heedless is literally impossible.

    • @Hxrocks22
      @Hxrocks22 Год назад

      @@findtruth5329 you delusional Muslim can keep on waiting to see if your going to get your 72 virgins 🤣🤣🤣 only a fool would believe that. 😂

    • @robertbuckey6517
      @robertbuckey6517 10 месяцев назад

      ​@@findtruth5329what?

    • @findtruth5329
      @findtruth5329 10 месяцев назад

      @robertbuckey6517 Christians don't even know the name of the man they worship. I like to use GZeus instead of the equally made-up name "Jesus" because GZeus is a reference to both the Greek Pagan influence on this hijacked Abrahamic monotheism and also because Zeus, Poseidon and Hades was another idolatrous notion of a triune God. Is that clear? I'm not asking if you agree but simply if you understand what I'm saying.
      It stands to reason that if a human-being doesn't know how to add, they don't know how to multiple. They don't even know his name but simultaneously claim to have the truth. It is a clear sign. I'm guessing it evades you lol

    • @robertbuckey6517
      @robertbuckey6517 10 месяцев назад +1

      ​@findtruth5329 well, those certainly were words.

  • @jrex3575
    @jrex3575 Год назад +131

    Jay Smith clearly won this debate! all my respect for Dr Ally

    • @ashreelopez6523
      @ashreelopez6523 Год назад +12

      Dr shabir Ali is a genius knows more about bible

    • @donhue4546
      @donhue4546 Год назад +9

      @@ashreelopez6523 then why is he a muslim...maybe he should study the corun

    • @omeralvi3136
      @omeralvi3136 Год назад

      ​@donhue4546 because he realised it is a sham? Just like a lot many people in the west stop believing the bible and convert to Islam. Perhaps check the conversion rate in your country, it will be quite sizable. Now not everyone is smart like you to read a book, that Jay himself said has been changed and edited throughout the history, and say... you know what! This is the truth! Hallelujah!

    • @priyamritunjay3120
      @priyamritunjay3120 Год назад +5

      ​@@ashreelopez6523 He only genius Jihadi 😂

    • @muluheladmbomendele2375
      @muluheladmbomendele2375 Год назад

      😢pppppppp

  • @theflash5553
    @theflash5553 Месяц назад +2

    Question: How many qurans?
    Answer: One quran
    Question: Is hafs quran a quran?
    Answer: Yes
    Question: Is warsh quran a quran?
    Answer: yes
    Question: Is doori quran a quran?
    Answer: Yes
    Question: How many qurans?
    Answer: One quran
    Question: Are all qurans around the world
    same?
    Answer: Yes
    Question: Do the Sana manuscript and
    Birmingham manuscript have
    variants?
    Answer: Yes
    Question: Are qurans preserved word for
    word, letter for letter?
    Answer: Yes
    Question: In sura 37.12, one quran says
    you", another "I"?
    Answer: They are different accents
    Question:How many ahrufs did muhamad
    recite?
    Answer: 7
    Question: How many ahrufs did uthman
    destroy?
    Answer: 6
    Question: How many ahrufs today?
    Answer: 7
    Question: How many qiraats did
    muhamad recite?
    Answer: None
    Question: How many qiraats today?
    Answer: 10,15, 20, 50
    Question: Is Bible preserved?
    Answer: No
    Question: Is muhamad prophesied in the
    Bible?
    A. Yes
    Question: Did muhamad marry a child?
    Answer: No
    Question: Did muhamad marry aisha?
    Answer: Yes
    Question: How old was aisha?
    Answer: 6

  • @popokomo7767
    @popokomo7767 10 месяцев назад +34

    Wow.. Dr Shabir just one step ahead from salvation, he read bible and I pray Holy Spirit will illuminate the real truth. Bless him with love of Abba Father. Jesus loves him

  • @byip2415
    @byip2415 11 месяцев назад +86

    It is highly unlikely that Shabir will ever have the courage , intellect or supportive evidence to ever debate Dr Smith again.

    • @waymilky442
      @waymilky442 11 месяцев назад +7

      Quite the opposite.

    • @NarutoEternal566
      @NarutoEternal566 10 месяцев назад +8

      Bro Shabir demolished him.

    • @trebuhlotep8332
      @trebuhlotep8332 10 месяцев назад +2

      Both have been debating for a few times before this. I respect both men immensely.

    • @byip2415
      @byip2415 10 месяцев назад

      Thank you for your reply. Never stop searching for truth and do not be ashamed of believing a lie@@trebuhlotep8332

    • @ThomasGMcElwain
      @ThomasGMcElwain 10 месяцев назад +1

      I know both men and am certain that both would be very happy to debate again. I have debated Jay Smith once, and would be very pleased to debate him again, depending on whether the subject was one that interested me. But a second round would be the same as the first. I would focus on religious phenomena using the academic methods of Comparative Religion. Jay Smith would cordially blast Islam and promote his own faith. That is why we will never debate again. It would not be interesting to the public. But I would definitely have a hug for both guys if I ever met them again.

  • @kechu289
    @kechu289 8 месяцев назад +18

    I am delighted to hear that the Bible is a word of God about The Word of God that dwelt and dwells among us. What a calm debate and informed debaters. It looks Dr. Jay Smith was better informed.

  • @rutgersjosephs5123
    @rutgersjosephs5123 11 дней назад +2

    Koran is a collection of books from deferent faiths and times. None con't stand before the holy God nor steel nor cover for their own glory... Fallen angels have the mind up sleeping contends but not able receive wisdom.

  • @gloriagloria9861
    @gloriagloria9861 Год назад +72

    Bible is the word of God hallelujah ❤

    • @originalandrewmark
      @originalandrewmark Год назад

      Jay says that christian's are closer to Allah than those who were entrusted by Allah!

    • @findtruth5329
      @findtruth5329 Год назад

      The Bible is an anonymously-written anthology that isn't even recorded in its language of origin nor does it even contain a single, clear doctrinal statement lol
      Translation is man-made by definition so if "Jesus" spoke Aramaic and Hebrew and the books are written in Greek up to 100 years later, you literally have anything BUT the word of God.

    • @chucklee347
      @chucklee347 Год назад

      You say the Bible is the word of Allah. But scholar Islamic elders say the Bible is corrupt. Oh ok I see now. The God protected the Quran forever and ever from beginning to the end.
      But when it came to the Bible that a couple of different religions used Muslims say eet eesse korupt.
      Makes perfect sense to me. Hell if you cam believe a child molesting liar of a prophet was God's messenger we can make up anything. Alright yeah I love it.
      It's your lie Muslims tell it like you want to.

    • @Mavelithamppuran
      @Mavelithamppuran Год назад +2

      Conversion Rate of islam
      2.5%
      Conversion rate of Christianity is 5%
      That meants twice of Islam🔥❤️

    • @findtruth5329
      @findtruth5329 Год назад

      @@Mavelithamppuranforgive me for asking but what relevance does that have? Nobody could convert to Islam. That doesn't magically make Christianity make any sense at all or make the bible an actually reliable anonymously-written anthology.

  • @Family_UK
    @Family_UK Год назад +18

    Both of them are excellent 🙏💯 I respect Dr Shabir Ally But Jay smith say it all 💯​ He(Jesus ) Blood 🩸 washes ours sins away amen 🙏
    Thank You Lord !!

    • @RLCJ934
      @RLCJ934 Год назад +3

      Amen🙏🏻

  • @pogi378
    @pogi378 8 месяцев назад +1

    Oh. If you're writing a poem you count the lines and put some rhymes. It means you made a meracle from Allah. Hahaha.

  • @Mr.Indian3
    @Mr.Indian3 9 месяцев назад +16

    The gentleman’s debate ❤

    • @ayoubalbalushi729
      @ayoubalbalushi729 9 месяцев назад

      He first said that the Bible is the word of God, then he said that it is not a complete book because we do not have the original copy [45:12]
      THEN he said that some parts were added to the Bible [46:07],
      THEN he said that this is not the word of God, but rather the words of a person inspired by God [52:38].
      So he admits that the Bible is not the word of God and that it is distorted.

  • @thomaskuruvillabaven
    @thomaskuruvillabaven Год назад +87

    Not biased but You got to hand it over to Jay , content wise he has convinced 100%

    • @ashreelopez6523
      @ashreelopez6523 Год назад +7

      I see Dr. Shabir Ali

    • @rabiahcarrim485
      @rabiahcarrim485 Год назад +13

      Are you sure? Jay will only say what comes in his mind to refute all that Dr. Shabir Ali says. Everything that Dr. Shabir says are facts. Dr. Shabir only talks on facts and the mathematical findings of the structure and words are all facts. Dr Shabir himself had applied the same procedures used to assess the Quran on the bible and the old testament but there are no patterns as seen from the Quran. I suggest you go and apply the procedures used to assess the Quran on any other books, I am sure you will never find any patterns in existence with them.

    • @dzaharsher6078
      @dzaharsher6078 Год назад +7

      ​@rabiahcarrim485 There are numerical phenomena in the bible. Not only that but phenomena of names in geneologies where names have meanings that give messages. Idk much about the quran or islam which is why i am here but there are certainly phenomena in the bible as well.

    • @rabiahcarrim485
      @rabiahcarrim485 Год назад

      @@dzaharsher6078 muslims never deny that present day bible even written by human beings is God inspired. Only present day bible has been corrupted by human beings where certain biblical stories told do not befits the character of the prophets in question. Human intervention is rife. This is the reason Muslim scholars will only accept stories told in the bible to be authentic only if they are verified by the Quran.

    • @unknownn520
      @unknownn520 Год назад

      ​@rabiahcarrim485 But what does that have to do with God even if there is a "mathematical wonder". What kind of stupid criteria is that? A Devil can't create a mathematical wonder? In what world did God ever promise to make His word into a mathematical wonder or any other completely baseless and shallow criteria as such. It's irrelevant to holiness of certain words and narratives. Look at the characters, their virtues, their life to know if what they said could be considered the truth. Muhammad is a kind of man that belongs in jail. That's first thing.
      But, at the end of the day that mathematical thing is a myth and considering that there are many editions of this "holy" book, that narrative makes no sense. Neither does the language of the Quran. It's one of the worst literary works tbh. Not one person under this sun would read that book if it wasn't a forceful manipulative "must read" literature for delusional believers who because of their emotional attachment seek wonders in a text that they would otherwise laugh at, if it wasn't their own.
      The whole scientific miracle story doesn't even need to be mentioned. A total laughable nonsense.
      This is so stupid.

  • @ablahablah7063
    @ablahablah7063 Год назад +7

    Without Jesus and without the old testement or New testement, Islam would never be a religion, islam is build by the base of Christian and jewish foundation.
    They need jews and Christians to keep their islamic religion alive

    • @fullygoated1449
      @fullygoated1449 Год назад

      what a thoughtless comment, really shows your lack of information

    • @ablahablah7063
      @ablahablah7063 Год назад

      @@fullygoated1449 prove me wrong

    • @lifestylemedicinals8692
      @lifestylemedicinals8692 Год назад

      @@fullygoated1449 How is that a thoughtless comment?
      Without the previous scriptures and traditions, everything written in the Quran would seem like a work of fiction about things the world has never heard of.
      The only way to affirm anything that's written in it is because of previous manuscripts and religious traditions.

    • @adamsyaseen2334
      @adamsyaseen2334 Год назад

      Jay has no substance to arguments 🤷 he behaved like clown with no real evidence backing up his statements 🤷 he has no intellectual background 🤷 he is more of a karaoke singer🤷 he sings the same song over and over again 😭 he doesn't know his own bible 😭 all he knows is Jesus Jones 😭

    • @alonzoharris326
      @alonzoharris326 Год назад

      Jesus is a Muslim.

  • @Beauty-x3w
    @Beauty-x3w 14 дней назад +2

    Dr Shabir sounds like an intelligent person. Therefore, I feel his not true to himaself and know that there is So much sense and Truth in Christianity. Quran really does not make much sense, and even muslims find it difficult to understand and need scholars to interpret it. I feel Dr shabir is not being truthful at all to himself

  • @hrsheritierduroisalomon7372
    @hrsheritierduroisalomon7372 9 месяцев назад +5

    Kudos to Mr Jay for his explanation proving that the bible is the only true word of God

  • @shadowstar3490
    @shadowstar3490 Год назад +9

    Jay Smith won 🔥🔥

  • @destinyah3132
    @destinyah3132 Год назад +61

    I’m a Christian. Dr. Shabir is a graceful debater not only in this debate. Great job guys!

    • @mickee06
      @mickee06 Год назад +1

      ​@@KnowledgeIsInfiniteIs that s problem ?

    • @NadeemHussain-rt3fd
      @NadeemHussain-rt3fd Год назад +3

      Thank you for your Honesty and May ALLAH SWT guide you to the Truth
      Only the Deaf, Dumb and Blind would agree Jay Smith won a single argument!!!

    • @irataylor5083
      @irataylor5083 Год назад +12

      Dr. Shabir did not address the clear manuscript differences found in the variety of the earliest Quranic texts. He ignored the textual variants altogether. I wonder why? My thoughts are that Jay Smith definitely undermined the preservation theory of the Quran. @@NadeemHussain-rt3fd

    • @NadeemHussain-rt3fd
      @NadeemHussain-rt3fd Год назад

      @@irataylor5083 When a DELUDED PAGAN 🐷 eating Paul follower tells a Muslim to go BACKWARDS and worship the one who was BEGGING TO BE SAVED instead of the ONE☝🏼he was BEGGING TO what do you think a Muslim is going to say? THINK ABOUT IT!!!!! SMH
      The Christian Shahada - JOHN 17:3 This is life eternal so that they know YOU the *ONLY* TRUE GOD and jesus christ whom you sent.
      Muslim Shahada: There is NO OTHER GOD EXCEPT ALLAH And Muhammad pbuh is his last and final messenger!!
      ONE ☝🏼 GOD one prophet!!!
      GOD saved NOAH pbuh from the People with the Ark and Flood
      GOD saved MOSES pbuh from the Pharos by Splitting the Sea
      GOD saved JONAH pbuh from the Whale and Drowning
      GOD saved JESUS pbuh from the Romans and Jews
      GOD saved MUHAMMAD pbuh from the Pagans
      All these PROPHETS (Submitted their WILLS to GOD) SENT to carry the same ONE ☝🏼 message - *THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD!!*
      *ALLAH HU AKBAR* ❤️🕋❤️

    • @juantheiii3361
      @juantheiii3361 Год назад

      @@KnowledgeIsInfinite and about the quran? who wrote it? wrote by a sex-crazed man who cannot read and write?

  • @collinsoliverariko1212
    @collinsoliverariko1212 17 дней назад +2

    Sorry, I am a Christian, but I wish all Muslims could be open minded as Dr. Ally

  • @olgai1065
    @olgai1065 Год назад +6

    Magic #19 is the proof that this is word of god 😂 I thought word of God teaches how to live holy life.

  • @azizghani3829
    @azizghani3829 Год назад +6

    DR Shabir lost the debate for me here unfortunately

  • @ahmedameen2
    @ahmedameen2 Год назад +7

    Some Muslims scholars don't recommend to use the miracles numbers.

  • @zukied4817
    @zukied4817 Месяц назад +2

    May God reveals Himself to Dr Shabir and change many Muslims into the bible which the only true word of God i pray😢 🙏

  • @TonkTheStonk
    @TonkTheStonk 11 месяцев назад +16

    At the end Shabir is reading from his phone, hahaha😂 BTW Yeshua is the King to whom every knee shall bow. Including Moshe❤❤❤

  • @io2068
    @io2068 7 месяцев назад +3

    Dr Jay Smith is doing Gods work

  • @theflash5553
    @theflash5553 Месяц назад +2

    When you read quran you will find out so much bad things when reading it. Like Sura 9 verse 29-30 where Muhammad said that kill those who do not believe in Allah and in his messenger. Surah 5 verse 51 says do not take jews and christians for your friends because they are freind of each other. Only God we all know is not cruel but loving God Jesus Christ who takes away the sins of the world that he came and died for us on the cross as a sacrifice and then 3 days later he rose from the dead.

  • @mni5245
    @mni5245 Год назад +20

    Shabil Ali's opening 5 point criterion destroyed Islam. To me, that was the end of the debate!

    • @audubello4975
      @audubello4975 Год назад +1

      Re watching it again

    • @Ntwadumela266
      @Ntwadumela266 Год назад

      Considering you spelt his name wrong I can see why you think that, probs didn’t watch the video

    • @mni5245
      @mni5245 Год назад

      @mc_macapaca your full belief is based on the outcome of this debate. If Andrew Pimp Tate is a proof that your religion is true, you can imagine how much delusion you and profit prophet have

    • @aamanaf2203
      @aamanaf2203 Год назад +1

      J Smith already in the begining the bible is not the Word of God but a records of 'word of God' which conceded to the main topic of the debate.
      Quran is indeed 'preserve' in the oral tradition for muslims and millions have memorised it through their teachers going back to the teaching of prophet muhammad pbuh and his companions.
      The book written is an additional aid/tool/ process for the memorizer however the teacher (hafiz) who taught the quran will verify the recitation for the whole book.

    • @mni5245
      @mni5245 Год назад +2

      @A A Manaf you have no choice than to parot the answer uou have been given. Oral transmission of the quran is the most foolish proof on earth!
      My grandfather told his teacher who later told my father that gorillas speak good English. True story. sahih al-Buhkari.

  • @alikesrwan2710
    @alikesrwan2710 Год назад +48

    Dr jay you’re awesome , knowledgeable and honest and the uses to open many eyes to the truth , thank you may the lord bless you always ❤

  • @nonamecieso9506
    @nonamecieso9506 8 месяцев назад +6

    Jay Smith has an amazing knowledge

  • @melkisedekbeck7608
    @melkisedekbeck7608 23 дня назад +2

    Shabir Ali understood the truth that Bible is devine but desperately defending quoran,

  • @No2BlindFaith
    @No2BlindFaith Год назад +5

    Ex Muslim channels on RUclips are explaining lot now a days.

  • @lorraineh6460
    @lorraineh6460 3 месяца назад +3

    God bless Jay Smith for his deep bass voice which proclaims the truth!

  • @jamesiese2440
    @jamesiese2440 11 месяцев назад +9

    Team Jesus 🙏🙏🔥❤️

  • @ProfessorGlasgow
    @ProfessorGlasgow Год назад +159

    The statement “There was no Quran untill 1924 “😂 it made me laugh

    • @mzahidfullah2
      @mzahidfullah2 Год назад +42

      @IIOO as if muslim don't have any Hafiz to confirm the text..

    • @sonofpharaoh9716
      @sonofpharaoh9716 Год назад +36

      2023 still sleeping.. in birmingham carbon dated copy from the life time of muhammad.. how many time should i mention it

    • @kozi-corner
      @kozi-corner Год назад

      ​@IIOO Another ignorant🤣

    • @kimatukings8913
      @kimatukings8913 Год назад

      @IIOO lame Christians have nothing to claim. quran is more superior than any other document on the face of the earth.

    • @أفلاكالأفكار
      @أفلاكالأفكار Год назад +33

      @@giodroid27 That's literally not true. There are complete Qurans from well over a thousand years ago preserved in museums around the world.
      Jay has become a full-on conspiracy theorist and thus says laughable stuff like that which even the biggest haters of Islam never said

  • @normansinclair4437
    @normansinclair4437 Год назад +81

    I have to give thanks you christian brothers who are able to defend the scriptures most of us are busy trying to live in a crooked world

    • @greenbluephantom3970
      @greenbluephantom3970 Год назад +1

      They can't defend them but can flail like drowning beasts trying to.😂 God is not the author of confusion.

    • @ip3vk
      @ip3vk Год назад

      your koran is bs, full of controvercies, full of hatred & jihad instead of love.

    • @Abubakar-ue7xd
      @Abubakar-ue7xd Год назад

      ​@@greenbluephantom3970 9:00
      Q

    • @subramaniamarunasalam6922
      @subramaniamarunasalam6922 Год назад

      ​@@Abubakar-ue7xd see

    • @oprophetisfake9482
      @oprophetisfake9482 Год назад +3

      ​@@greenbluephantom3970It is the Qur'an only rewritten in 1924 Cairo that is indefensible.

  • @bensonetwork6523
    @bensonetwork6523 Год назад +6

    Wonderful debate. Good insights about Islam. Let our Muslim open up and allow investigation about their quantum and Muhammed as we allowed them to do regarding the Bible and Jesus. Most interesting facts are those related to mosques facing Patra and not Mecca.

  • @Bob-l9n4f
    @Bob-l9n4f 8 месяцев назад +3

    Even though in Deuteronomy, numerology is condemned, it is obvious that this gentlemen has missed out on the number 3, the Trinity.

  • @jimbojones2291
    @jimbojones2291 Год назад +58

    God bless Jay for all his good work and I pray all muslims will come to Christ. Halelujah❤️

    • @shakmakbu
      @shakmakbu Год назад +14

      Thanks for your prayers. We already believe in Jesus (peace be upon him). We do love him and follow his teachings. We do pray as he was praying. we do worship the almighty God exactly as he was worshipping him. We are already followers of Jesus peace be upon him. I pray for you and all Christians to follow the right path. the path followed by Jesus, Moses, Mohamed, Ibraham, Noah and all other messengers peace be upon them all.

    • @nadeemhussain2087
      @nadeemhussain2087 Год назад

      Talk about CONTRADICTIONS? 🤔🤦🏽
      They say their god can do Absolutely *ANYTHING* But *CAN’T* Forgive Without Spilling innocents Blood by HUMAN SACRIFICE!! They say you *CAN’T* Limit GOD!! And in the very same Breath *LIMIT* GOD to a mere man who can Die!! But they don’t stop there!! They turn him into an Animal next, a lamb to be slaughtered to justify their Dead and Living gods!! *AstagfarAllah*
      And Saviour? So who *SAVES* Him??? And this Payment in Blood is made to Who? *HIMSELF???* And when you Sacrifice something you lose it for Ever and if he Sacrificed his Life for Your Sins but doesn’t really Die for Eternity Then *HOW* are the Sins forgiven??? - This is NO MYsTAReEee it’s *LITERALLY* a Bloody👉🏼🩸 *SCAM!!!* SMH

    • @saliemchristian9943
      @saliemchristian9943 Год назад +6

      I pray all Christians to come to Islam.

    • @dr.schultz9023
      @dr.schultz9023 Год назад +3

      Thanks . We already have a better version of Jesus pbuh.

    • @nadeemhussain2087
      @nadeemhussain2087 Год назад

      Come to Christianity, Just leave All Logic and your Brains at the Door before Entering 🤦🏽
      Christianity is *NOT* a religion, It’s a *SICKNESS!!* Just Call Jesus GOD and Accept GOD got *HUMILIATED* And *KILLED!!* Just do *EXACTLY* what Jesus said *NOT* To Do and Follow Pagan Paul instead!! Accept An Innocent Was Killed For *YOU* to save your selfish behind and Blindly Believe GOD needs the Pagan Ritual for SATAN which requires *BLOOD* and *HUMAN SACRIFICE* to Forgive You!! SMH
      This is CHRISTIANITY!!! 🔥✝️🔥👹🔥✝️🔥

  • @PETEROGUNLADE-d5y
    @PETEROGUNLADE-d5y 9 месяцев назад +5

    God bless Jay Smith for this strongly presented debate. Receive more wisdom from God to defend His word.

    • @ayoubalbalushi729
      @ayoubalbalushi729 9 месяцев назад

      He first said that the Bible is the word of God, then he said that it is not a complete book because we do not have the original copy [45:12]
      THEN he said that some parts were added to the Bible [46:07],
      THEN he said that this is not the word of God, but rather the words of a person inspired by God [52:38].
      So he admits that the Bible is not the word of God and that it is distorted.

  • @55immanuel
    @55immanuel 11 месяцев назад +5

    God bless Jay Smith. Jesus bless you. You save the world from Hubal .

  • @calvingoh9321
    @calvingoh9321 9 месяцев назад +2

    Came here expecting something different went out disappointed as usual by Dr. Shabir. In all his debates I notice he always likes to correct his opponents by giving his own favorable interpretations. That's about it esp. on qur'anic verses. His views however are at odds with the approach of every major fiqh, both Sunni and Shi'ite, all of which accept the principle of naskh, or abrogation, as the means of resolving apparent contradictions between portions of the Qu'ran. Verses understood to have been revealed to Mohammed later in time are regarded as abrogating contradictory verses "reveal" earlier in time, and unfortunately for the world, the peaceful, no-compulsion verses were written when Mohammed had not yet established himself as a successful warlord, while the verses about fighting against unbelievers and executing apostates were written after he started having military success.
    Had Islam developed a hermeneutics on a similar basis to that prevalent in Christianity, summed up by the Anglicans as expound not one part of scripture in a manner repugnant to another, it would be a very different religion. Instead, jihad as actual warfare against non-Muslims, is central to its doctrine and praxis, thanks to the hermeneutic of naskh.

  • @nielsbruun8046
    @nielsbruun8046 Год назад +6

    Great. I am really beginning to like Jay Smith

  • @ssharma1384
    @ssharma1384 10 месяцев назад +15

    I am neither a Christian or Muslim, if this debate was a boxing match Jay jabbed Shabir constantly and KO'd him several times. Shabir landed a few punches here and there but nothing too serious.

  • @jazzbansal8097
    @jazzbansal8097 9 месяцев назад +7

    The truth will set u free 🙏🏼

  • @JohnsonMathew-w3s
    @JohnsonMathew-w3s 2 месяца назад +2

    This was the end of Sabir Ally's career.

  • @bridieoloughlin103
    @bridieoloughlin103 Год назад +11

    Dear Jesus thank you for making the word love with such a great heart and we do not have to count your love or generosity Freely given freely received

    • @bumpkin7171
      @bumpkin7171 Год назад

      (JPS) (14:1) Samaria shall bear her guilt, for she hath rebelled against her God; they shall fall by the sword; their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.
      Too much love !!

    • @alanmcnaughton3628
      @alanmcnaughton3628 Год назад

      ​@@bumpkin7171 that'll be where that same line in the Jesuit oath came from.

    • @polokucoch8112
      @polokucoch8112 Год назад

      @@bumpkin7171 PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE educate yourself. It says (shall) - These are predictions. There is NO command there. Also, the HEBREW verbs (shall be dashed in pieces) and (shall be ripped up) are in HEBREW, passive voice. It's IMPOSSIBLE for that to be a command. This is foretelling what will happen. Read it again very very carefully.
      Here is the most important thing you must know: JESUS CHRIST is the ULTIMATE and BEST example for mankind, and mahamed is NOT the best example for mankind. Most people will agree on this point.

  • @corneliusmentz2910
    @corneliusmentz2910 10 месяцев назад +33

    There is just absolutely no feeling of grace or love coming from Shabir. When Jay speaks you can just feel the love and the honesty.

    • @goodhealth2378
      @goodhealth2378 9 месяцев назад +3

      Quran and his false god doesn’t know what is love, Jesus however, Said I am love

    • @heikejohannajahns3257
      @heikejohannajahns3257 9 месяцев назад

      Qu'ran mentions love 49 times and most of that in negative connotation. It mentiones fear, hate and terror over 700 times . 10 % of the qur'an describe torture in the afterlife.
      Look what christianity does with a face. Look what (orthodox) Islam does with a face.

  • @delhorneturner1757
    @delhorneturner1757 7 месяцев назад +3

    I did not agree with Shabbir Ally but he is certainly a gentleman. I hope he finds the truth

  • @lordsarmy4891
    @lordsarmy4891 Год назад +124

    One of the best debate I have seen ever.so calmly and peacefully and respectfully.god bless you all the readers.

    • @Duniakubus
      @Duniakubus Год назад +3

      totally agree with you

    • @greenbluephantom3970
      @greenbluephantom3970 Год назад +4

      The mathematics should make even a fool to understand there is no God but Allah. The doctor destroyed Jay.

    • @ip3vk
      @ip3vk Год назад +4

      @@greenbluephantom3970 What do you mean there is no God but allah? Isn't allah muslims' god? It is whether which is the true God. I have seen many miracles that my christian God had performed. Clearly Jay destroyed Sabir.

    • @greenbluephantom3970
      @greenbluephantom3970 Год назад +3

      @@ip3vk God is a generic term but not His name. God can be sex,drugs,alcohol, or any addiction which forces you to submitt to it. Is Jesus,a prophet, the Christian God? Is Jehovah or Yaway the Jewish God? Is Quetzalcoatl the Mexican God? Is Zeus the Greek god,Jupiter the Roman god??? God is one not two nor three. Allah was in your Bible but European writers removed His name. You have heard people of many different faiths claiming miracles. What is a miracle? Things you don't understand are "miracles" to you but Stevie Wonder calls them superstition. In Islam the only miracle we talk of is the revelation of the Holy Quran and it's mathematical conciseness. Since Abraham is the father of three not two great religions;Why do you think Europeans only wanted to talk about the Old and New Testaments (Jewish, Christian)but never the Final Testament to This World the Holy Quran(Muslims)??? Muslims believe in all three testaments in their pure and untampered with forms.

    • @greenbluephantom3970
      @greenbluephantom3970 Год назад +1

      @@ip3vk Revelations:The great serpent that Olde Dragon also known as Satan deceived the whole world. The European peoples also known as White,Caucasian, enslaved,conquered the whole world it's peoples and resources with colonialism,capitalism,racism.

  • @agusbellarmine1126
    @agusbellarmine1126 Год назад +15

    why Allah was concerned more with Math rather than with consistency, divinity and meaning of his teaching?

    • @greyngreyer5
      @greyngreyer5 Год назад +1

      Because Allah this and Allah that. Don't expect an honest answer.

    • @jrex3575
      @jrex3575 Год назад

      that was Ally's weakest point in the entire debate. It was not convincing at all.

  • @agustinusng2915
    @agustinusng2915 8 месяцев назад +5

    Thank you Jay.