**cringe** I’m just watching this video again. I’m sorry for yelling the whole time! I don’t know what I was thinking 🤦♂️ BUT I promise the content is still good! I’ll try to yell less next time 🤷♂️ Keep Moving Forward!
Beaf Supreme dude, thanks man. That’s actually really valuable feedback! Can I ask a genuine question? In my most recent vid (the cold sleeper one) how was the volume? There were a few intentional and unintentional changes that I’d love some input on: a) my microphone broke and b) i tried a calmer and quieter tone and c) in editing I purposely didn’t raise the volume as high... would you say it’s too quiet? I’m trying to find the right balance! Thanks a ton for the feedback! Keep Moving Forward!
I'm SO glad you had a wonderful experience! If you're on any sort of social media I'd LOVE to see some pictures from your adventures! Shoot me a message or post on my page! Keep Moving Forward!
I wrap up in a wool blanket then me and the blanket go into a USGI Extreme cold weather sleep system patrol sleeping bag. Put a Thermarest sleeping pad into a bivvy bag then roll the sleeping bag into the bivvy. And if it gets ludicrously cold I throw a USGI poncho liner in the sleeping bag too.
Last backpacking trip I was freezing my ASS off - thanks for the video that is so comprehensive! I upgraded to a down bag and your same exact liner, saving up for a better all season pad (planning on getting a tensor since I’m a side sleeper) and have been struggling with what to get to put between the pad and the ground to keep things warmer… I didn’t want to splash out on a SECOND sleeping pad but didn’t know what else to do. The emergency blanket is genius!!
Definitely the Mylar helps a ton! And if heading into really cold terrain or deep snow, a thin foam roll helps a ton too. There’s some pretty UL ones out there. But I’ve also just used a yoga mat or one of the cheap Chinese folding “z-lite” knock offs too.
Nice! I'm feeling my way into proper cold weather camping and this is a big help. I sleep warm when eating plenty of carbs but have felt the ground sucking the heat out of me when under-prepared. Surfing the value wave across generations of computer tech has taught me to plan ahead so that the big ticket items are useful for multiple jobs in multiple rigs. Hiking has been the same, and the gear may be super handy for literally decades!
OK, Thanks a million for 1 being a cold sleeper and 2 for sharing all your tips and tricks that work for non millionaires =) Nothing is worse than being cold, people don't understand when I say my feet and hands feel like a sledge hammer hit them when they get chilled. I am not joking it absolutely HURTS! Now you have helped many of us be able to get out and enjoy our love for the outdoors and camping YEAR ROUND!!!!!!!!!!! CHEERS!
Thanks for reminder that you don't need to spend $1,000,000 to backpack, even in the winter. It's easy to get carried away with the consumerism spend-spend-spend mentality! I was actually considering picking up a winter bag this fall, but I'm going to do the Jesse layering system with my liner, aegismax down bag, and MEC synthetic Centaurus. Hopefully it weighs less than 9 lbs. Haha
Justin Outdoors that’s the way to do it! I was actually just thinking the aegismax might be perfect for this system. (I’ve had my eye on one for a while now). I’m ALL about the budget backpacking! The cost was something that held me back from pursuing this passion for WAY too long. So I’m passionate about telling people it doesn’t have to cost a fortune.... even if it weighs 9.5lbs 😂
Justin Outdoors I’m going to swap out my Teton Leef Of for my synthetic trailhead bag which should save me 2lbs. And only use the leef on the coldest of trips. Combining your aegismax and vesper would probably be light weight AND ultrawarm. Just be careful with condensation and the vesper.
for any weather down to probably -20 to -30°F i use: to lay on top of- a thin vapor barrier groundsheet, a heavy duty (still thin) reflective layer, deluxe foam pad, and thermarest padded air mattress (size is width of my sleeping bag.) to lay in- i use a 45° Coleman Raymer (square bag with collar) which is super plush, warm, soft, and so comfy, and inside that i have my oversized 32° plush mummy bag with padded xtra warm footbag. i keep the mummy bag half unzipped and can zip the Raymer all the way up and still bend my knees when i sleep which is cruicial for me lol. but inside my inner bag i have a thin military wool blanket that fits perfectly inside, not bunched up anywhere, so i can use that for extremely cold nights, or i carry my Wenzel camp quilt that i can use alternatively. or put one or the other inside, and the other one over me. this also gives me lots of versatility and options depending how cold it is. This sleep system is amazing for pretty much any temp, even in rain with no tarp ( i do have an emergency extra large bivy i also always carry, for hard rainfall if i have no choice.) plus it's almost constantly cool and foggy/humid at night here especially in any wilderness there's usually water anywhere you go. so tons of condensation. within 10-15 mins sitting or laying there at night youll be pretty damp.. but i'll usually have at least a tarp on me and my emerg. sportsmans blanket (reflective on one side) which is super lightweight and effective. it can also be an improvised lean-to, hammock cover for light rain, a groundsheet, or even on top of my whole setup if it's really humid. it doesn't let moisture in or out, 100% not breathable, but waterproof. you'll get a small amount of condensation inside overnight sleeping outside, but it's completely waterproof. which is great. but yea both bags are waterproof anyways just in case. anyways yes lol you can tell i love talking about and making different sleep systems and camping/bushcraft/ survival setups and stuff. this took a while to put together, trying all kinds of different stuff, and this works amazingly for me. even if you had no fire, in rainy icy sub zero conditions, and had to sleep directly on the ground, you can feel safe and guarantee you'll be warm! great video btw! thanks and glad you could read this or anyone else who might 😁
I love hearing all the versatility your options give you! That's awesome! Your system is actually VERY similar to the military surplus modular system that's out there, just with a rectangle bag on the outside instead! Great info here man! Keep Moving Forward!
@@BackcountryForward Hey thanks so much! And thanks for the reply xD i'm actually using it right now 😁 sleeping under the stars. it's 36°F so not too bad. got my ground sheet, pad, and quilt to lay on. tonight i'm trying out this new coat i got. it's crazy. basically a sleeping bag..😂 it's from London Fog, 3/4 length with a thick down liner. the coat is like 4" thick. it's hilarious tbh. i feel like this alone could withstand 0°F no prob. also have my light down puffy underneath from the brand: "32° Heat". "weatherproof" kind of.. but im soo warm. wearing my thick Roots brand wool Hat, i have thermal flannel pajama pants under my light tactical pants, and some padded 'And1' brand warm socks. with just a t shirt. and using my 32° Heat brand tactical fleece, and another down puffy as a foot bag and for my legs. as an experiment so substitute for the sleeping bags and see what happens. probably throw the sportsmans blanket over me when i sleep. it's working out real nice so far. didnt make a fire. and i have my wenzel pillow. my wool blanket is next to me if i do get cold which i doubt tonight. watching some youtube, drinking cold coffee (delicious), with some high energy snacks for extra calories to burn. im so warm right now. comfy cozy. the night sky and stars with the silhouette of the tall pines, oak trees, and cedars is just gorgeous. 3am now. couple hours til bed. take care man xD
@@DarkMetaOFFICIAL wow! What a wild night! I know a few people who pack extra heavy clothing just so they can sleep in that alone! I'm not there yet myself (I sweat too much during the day!)
@@BackcountryForward man lol, i forgot to mention i can only sleep in boxers and no shirt 😂 last night was super tired so fell asleep w pajama pants and t shirt but thats it. (and covered up w my big down coat).. wearing clothes at night drives me insane hahaha unless i might die xD then there's not much choice
Plastic Nalgene bottles are a little less of a concern but the metal ones can condense water on the outside and cause serious issues after more than one night. Moisture kills, as you well know. My serious winter system is the old down Canadian Army sleep system that I have had for years and cost not much at all back in the day. The mylar blanket works pretty good to reflect cold away from you but not sure if folding it makes a difference. Good on you for hitting the woods after real freezing here in Canada!
TurtleWolf Pack literally packing right now to head up to a high alpine lake tomorrow! And good tip on the metal, I’ll stick to my plastic nalgene! I’m also bringing a closed foam cell yoga mat this time round to stay warmer. Hoping that helps! Keep Moving Forward!
@@BackcountryForward bodies of water add another level of cold as well, even in the summer. I was out at Landslide Lake here in Alberta back in June and there was still snow on the ground. I brought a poncho liner, the USGI summer bag, a bivy bag and my Bundeswehr parka liner and ended up not using the poncho liner but unlike you I am a very warm sleeper even as I age. My total load (mostly surplus gear) was 32 lbs for 3 days.
TurtleWolf Pack well what do you know! Landslide lake is my back up plan for tomorrow if I don’t make my intended destination! Always nice to meet a fellow Albertan. My weigh out is WELL over that for this winter trip. 37lb base weight, 43.5 full loaded.
@@BackcountryForward 44lbs is a bit to be humping up the mountains in the snow isn't it? I am a firm believer in the little Pelican sleds in the winter months, not that Landslide is a really long trail. As an oilfield worker with school age children I don't get to do much in the winter either but I have trips on the books for the spring and summer. On of my summer kits is about 17lbs with no food or water. An advantage to winter at Landslide is that the marmots should be sleeping and not raid your camp!
TurtleWolf Pack I haven’t tried using a pulk yet, but one day. I imagine they’d be just as hard if not harder on high inclines (my faves). I think 44lbs is a pretty decent winter weight. I know some who do much more (mind you with a pulk). Plus 4lbs is just the snow shoes! My summer base weight is sub 20lb, usually around 18 depending on the trip. Hopefully you can get out there for at least a few day trips! Keep moving forward!
yep. that's how to do that bud! nice n toasty insulation from the ground is super critical and if you're also raised up higher, you'll be warmer too. like a cot or raised bushcraft bed height. Great video thanks man!
Some great info in here and putting some of it to use tomorrow in Algonquin Park. Off for 4 days and the nights are getting colder - armed with your suggestions, I anticipate warm, comfortable nights of sleep.
Good video for new winter campers who can combine wive'sor friend's sleeping bag with theirs. Call me old-fashioned but in winter I love my LL Bean -20 F. down mummy bag, size Long for storing boot liners, water bottles and electronics there. Got on a double sale fro $240. Yeah, still a bit spendy but WARM!
Sleeping warm is always worth the extra weight imo. Plus in the winter you can save weight or at least balance it out by packing less water. It’s what snow is for :)
I agree on the first point 200%. However, packing enough water is actually really crucial in winter months. Dehydration is always just around the corner in the winter time. And while there's plenty of snow, if ever your stove fails, or you can't get a fire started, melting snow can be quite a hassle and very detrimental. But usually this isn't too much of a concern! (Thankfully) And if the weight is a real issue... there's always a pulk! 😁 (I have't used one of those yet!) Keep Moving Forward!
Pro tip: Find a military depot. I bought a new bag in Norway for 65$. The outer materiel is heavy duty. You need to apply effort to damage the bag. I use it in -25 C, with no extra warming equipment. No tents or tarps or anything when it's sub zero C. The only thing I do is to rip off pine branches into a bed that keeps my body off the frozen ground. It weights 3 kg. It takes no effort.
Definitely a lot of people love their military gear... the kicker is it’s VERY heavy. While that’s a great piece for winter, I wouldn’t want to haul that year round that’s for sure!
So... for nature calls... what is the procedure? Do you have a bottle you take inside the bags or you get out of the bags and go do your business and return?
I just weighed my winter sleep system today and came in at 7.5 lbs. 🌬😁❄️ That includes my hammock and tarp plus all stakes and suspension; sleep clothes (since they have no other use in the winter - my daytime base layers are separate from my sleep clothes); 20°F topquilt and 0°F underquilt; inflatable pillow, ridgeline organizer bag, and stuffsack that everything but the tarp goes inside of and deploys as one single unit ready to hop into in just a few minutes. I've also learned to drape my outer shell layers (raingear) over my hammock ridgeline to keep a little extra heat in and wind out. And on super cold nights I still have my midlayers that I could wear, plus some mittens, a thin balaclava, and ear warmers. I would love to test my system down to 0°F but that's almost impossible where I live. I love winter camping so much more than summer camping and this is the first year that all my stuff is dialed in and I don't really have any plans to change anything.
Backcountry Forward : I would absolutely LOVE to! I used to live in the mountains of Colorado, and Canada just seems like a big giant Colorado to me. My Canadian winter sleep system would have to include my bigger tarp (two pounds [1 kilo] more!) and my Snugpak Jungle Blanket XL (another two pounds). And then of course I'd need my Descente ski jacket and Sven Saw. Plus a few things I don't currently own: some insulated ski pants, a good snow shovel, winter boots and snowshoes, or some telemark skis and skins. I have some old leather tele-boots already! Damn it! Now I think your winter sleep system will end up lighter than mine. I would absolutely love to go winter camping in Canada as long as it's not below -20°F and it warms up close to 10°F during the day. Any colder than that and I wouldn't want to be out for more than one night. Below -20°F is just plain cold, and below 0°F during the day is pretty cold too. I accept your invitation! 😁 Cheers 👍
It was a good idea to fold your reflective blanket over. the bottom reflected the cold back down, the top the heat backup. the camping pad should have been between the folds of the blanket though.
I thought about trying that. Putting the pad between the two layers! But It would also make for a much more slipperier sleeping pad experience... Keep Moving Forward!
Great video and great energy. What's the coldest you have had the Teton LEEF 0 with the Klymit V pad down to without the other layers? How about LEEF+Klymit+Reactor? Thanks!
yes, this definitely keeps warm but the problem is that this is easily getting too warm and you wake up and when you remove a few layers it is getting too cold. 2:40 quilt on top sounds good but it always gets out of place while sleeping. Actually, a tent doesn't need much energy to be heated up a little bit and a small wind-powered heater can do the job. This also solves the problem of not heaving to breath in cold air the whole night.
It's true it CAN get too warm, but only if it's not super cold outside... I've never had to take a layer off... but I have gone to be with one less layer of clothing if the weather doesn't look too bad. Interesting note about the wind-powered heater! But I imagine that might be a bit heavy... no? What brand do you recommend?
Things are definitely starting to pick up with this video... we'll see where she goes! Thanks for the encouragement! And it was great chatting today, blessings bro.
Henry Brooks literally packing right now to head out tomorrow to a high alpine lake for a night... well technically I’m currently procrastinating... but you get the idea... here’s to staying warm! Keep moving forward! Ps. Would love to see some pics! Go follow me on Instagram and I’ll return the favor to see some of your adventures!
I can't imagine what it would be like to camp at temp's that requires such extra effort to stay warm. I live in the south west USA and it can get seriously cold but we're no contender with you guys 😲 I get claustrophobic when sleeping w clothes on so my bags are a little warmer than someone else may have at the same temp's. I have to carry a bit more weight but it works for me 😁
Traky boy I prefer not sleeping with clothes on too... which is why my summer bag is still rated to 20F haha. BUT I prefer not having hypothermia more when it is winter. Lol.
Keep the space small, keep the walls thick/insulated, keep a layer of something between yourself and the floor - you can stay naked as you like, your body heat should keep the space warm (ideally). Absolutely experiment with what works for you
Wow! Thanks so much! I appreciate your kind words! Genuine positivity is a rare commodity in the online world! Keep spreading the positive vibes and encouraging other creators! You have no idea how powerful comments like these are! Cheers 😁 Keep it moving forward!
@@BackcountryForward dedication. motivation. acceleration. domination. onward and upward. the only way! each and every day we grow stronger. grind grind grind! xD ☁️💎🌟 good stuff
Great suggestion, and thanks for the question! But... the answer is actually NO! Don't do this! I did this the first time I ever tried winter camping a nearly gave myself hypothermia. The emergency blanket causes what is called a "vapour barrier" meaning it holds in your natural vapour (sweat condensation, etc) and directs it back to your skin or clothes. If your sleeping bag isn't warm enough you wake up cold AND wet... trust me not fun. They only work well if a person is fully clothed, or they are used on the OUTSIDE of a sleeping bag. There is a way to sleep with vapour barriers which will actually make you sleep warmer and not get wet, but its very risky and requires a lot of practice. Thanks again for the question and engagement! Keep Moving Forward!
cpt awesome you got it! A radiant barrier adds no R-value unless partnered with an existing insulating barrier. That’s why it’s better to use it on the outside of a sleeping bag, your clothes, or under a pad. That way the radiated heat is actually trapped and slowed in the insulation layer, thus increasing the “resistance of heat flow” (R-value). Thanks for the comment! Not often do vapor barriers, radiant barriers, and resistance flow actually get talked about in one conversation! Quite the informative discussion, thanks for adding to it 😄 Keep moving forward!
Saying that Reflextix has zero r-value is absolutely false. Want to prove it to yourself? Go out nearly naked to your cold cement porch and spend 15 minutes laying on the direct cement vs laying on a layer of reflextix -- and "no", the difference is not entirely due to the silver foil barrier. Want proof of that? Try the same experiment with standard bubble wrap. Reflextix is actually a pretty good "bang for the buck" insulating layer for backpackers who are looking or something durable, light, cheap, and not too bulky to pack. I've used it many times as a footprint under my tent for Idaho winter overnights.
I’m just getting into backpacking and bought the same Klymit Insulated Static V (same colour too). I’m glad that it’s also good for Winter camping. Thanks for this video and providing great tips for a more comfortable sleep. All the best, ~Vu
Hey man, the klymit is a great pad to get started with! That being said, after testing a few other pads I wouldn't necessarily recommend taking it out on cold winter trips without first testing out your system with it. I've done a fair amount of testing and with the right sleeping bags I can take it down to about -3F, and lower if I need to. But I'd say in most cases it's limit is about 30-20F. There are definitely better pads for the extreme cold. But when you're just getting started, you work with what you have! Keep Moving Forward! Jesse
@@BackcountryForward Well said, and I totally agree with everything you say--it's a very sensible (and safe) approach. Since I'm just starting out, I'm aiming for the middle of the range gear, and with time I hope to upgrade to better/lighter gear as I gain more experience in the backcountry, but I feel like I need to 'earn my stripes' first. ;) Thanks for your input Jeese, and keep moving forward we shall! 🌲✊🏼 ~Vu
@@TheEffortlessMan Awesome Vu! Love your attitude! Feel free to reach out with any questions. And shoot me a picture or two of you on your first trip over on instagram! I'd love to share it! ~Jesse
I think saving some money on a very expensive (likely $700+) winter temp rated bag is wise. Yes, there is a weight penalty but if you're not going too far and can stand to carry the weight it is a more versatile approach. The one improvement to your system that would add the most warmth and but no weight would be to use the Thermarest Xtherm which has an R value of 6.9. Alternatively, you could add one of the closed cell pads and approach the same R value the Xtherm provides. Your Klymit Static V pad has an R value of 4.4. Klymit describes the pad as "winter ready" but I would not take a pad with that R value into the backcountry if temps below freezing were predicted, and I'm a warm sleeper.
Interestingly, I've had some others say similar things about the klymit insulated! But I actually totally agree with everything you said! I love the versatility of this kit, but the one thing that I would likely change a couple years later is the sleeping pad. I've since switched to the Outdoor Vitals insulated sleeping pad which I find pretty great. But just this Black Friday I bought the Nemo Tensor! I'm hoping that'll do even better. The Xtherm is on my Wishlist for next year! Thanks for the comment! Keep Moving Forward!
Okay I’m also a super cold sleeper thanks for the hot water bottle trick I hadn’t thought of that for some reason. I’m going back country camping tomorrow in Northern Ontario totally gonna try it now!
@@BackcountryForward Oh it totally saved me, it got way cooler than the forecast was predicating and allowed me to sleep more comfortably. Thanks again for the tip!
You did the video or I am pretty sure it was yours and you talked about the proper way to use a Mylar blanket when you were cold and I remember you saying it reflects body heat and to put it against your skin. I’m confused then how putting it under your pad would do anything but I have to think it would but I don’t fully understand the science behind them . I’ve also seen people use some of the Mylar insulation they use around hot water tanks under their pads.
@@cliffspicer6555 I have been told to never put the mylar against your skin as it just makes you sweat and if you sweat, you are dead. I should mention that I live in Canada.
@@cliffspicer6555 I did do a video on how to use the mylar blanket, but I shared my story about how I put it next to my skin and I got soaked and had to bail on the trip because I was too wet. So definitely don't put it against your skin! 😄 It reflects heat back to you, and your sleeping pad (if it's good) should help to insulate your body, but inevitably some heat will go down to the ground. the Mylar blanket serves as another barrier to help reflect more heat back up into the sleeping pad keeping you warmer. The "mylar people put around their hot water tanks" that you mentioned is the reflectix Darcy was talking about! It's a great product because it has insulation and thermal reflection. It's basically reflective bubble wrap. But those little bubbles help trap heat a bit more and better. I'm glad you clarified, because putting it next to your skink is not the best idea! Although there are certain instances where emergency search and rescue will do that to create a vapour barrier... which is a whole different ball game! Great comment and question though! Keep Moving Forward!
I am going to go winter sleeping on an island in the middle of a frozen lake soon. Have you ever tired cardboard as the floor layer in a tent? I'm thinking of trying this. I am catching a snowmobile ride there so carrying it is no concern.
I've never tried this! But I have JUST the piece! This sound's like a great idea. I'm going to try it! Cardboard WITH the mylar sheet would be even better! Ps. I'd LOVE to hear about this trip or see it sometime! Are you on Insta? Keep Moving Forward!
@@BackcountryForward Thanks! Yes i'm on insta as norajohnston_ . This trip is being planned for the end of January and i'm very much looking forward to it! You will (if it works) be able to hear and see it! It is planned to be my first youtube video! On a channel name I have not yet created (deciding on a name is hard), but will soon.
@@norajohnston1763 I hear you on the channel name! Just remember using your own personal name is a GREAT way to do it. I was just talking to Justin Outdoors about this, and he's really happy he chose his own name. For me Backcountry Forward has always been bigger than myself, so I prefer the brand aspect. But even I recognize the benefit of personal branding, and that really is what YOUTube is all about! That's so exciting though! I'll follow you on insta. Shoot me a message when you've posted it! Keep Moving Forward!
Only thing I add is compressed foam pad on bottom and I use a Gatorade bottle to relieve myself in bag bonus it’s warm and ya don’t loose heat getting out to pee 👊🏻
I haven't been able to convince myself to pee in a bottle yet... but it might need to finally happen this year! I'll give it a try! Keep Moving Forward!
You are caffeinated and SO FUN!! This will be a great ride, watching you guys! Here in the desert 🌵 we worry about the HEAT, not sure we could do the ❄️ SNOW. “Oh I’m not done...”PLS NEVER CHANGE...I’m wishing you could bottle that energy, I’d buy A CASE!! Thnx for the info, “inAmerican😉” 👍👏🤝🇺🇸
Following The Agee's would love to get some desert camping under my belt one day! Thank you so much for the encouragement, it really means a lot! If you’d like to see this whole system in action (and way more winter scenery), go check out the trail video at the end of this one (or search Outbound Jesse)! Thanks for your support!
You still lose heat through conductive loss, but I think the mylar on the bottom helps reflect radiative heat in the dead air-space between itself and the pad for sure, giving at least 2-3 degrees. I think it's totally worth it. For colder weather I use the mylar, my foam pad, and my air pad on top of the foam pad and I'd say that's good to 32f. Haven't seen if it goes lower yet as I don't winter camp but I'm going to find out soon...
Exciting! Enjoy winter camping! I always love it out there! Depending on the air pad and what it's rating is, I've done the mylar, foam pad, air pad combo before with great success down to -10F Keep Moving Forward!
@@BackcountryForward It's like 1 R value, so basically nothing. My foam one is 2.6 so together I get around 4 R value with the mylar (just a guess) With a bit of a better airpad I could probably go to the temps you said, but I need a setup that can handle -20f or even lower so I likely need to move to one of the big-boy pads.... wallet hurts already
@@escapetherace1943 if you check the link in the description REI is clearing out their Klymit Static V insulated pads for like $65 I believe. Which is pretty dang good. And it’s not a bad pad. I’ve take it down to those temps and been okay as long as my sleep system is warm enough!
@@BackcountryForward 62 bucks but they're out. The Klymit is the one I'd go for though as it is the highest R value for the dollar. The 6 r value ones cost 200+ but with the klymit and my sol lite I'd get 6-7 at a combined 39 ounces, which isn't bad for winter and should work to -30 edit: sorry they're out or I'd definitely buy 1 to give you that affiliate comission
@@escapetherace1943 Sorry to hear that! I'll have to get rid of those links! Good to know. Well, regardless, best of luck finding something that works! Cheers Jesse
I’ve got so much more gear I want to test with this layering idea to see if I can lower the weight and keep the heat! I’ve even considered trying to make a modular sleep system (similar to the military’s) but for lightweights/ultralights... now if only I knew someone who was a master gear manufacturer who could teach me a thing or two 🤔😏
TheBestBackpacker that’s the plan! I’ve got some woods just a mile from my house. Definitely have a lot more to research but I’m interested. My first experience was by accident and not a good one (brought a Mylar blanket into my sleeping bag thinking it’d help... I woke up soaking wet and shivering 🥶) 🤣
What about when you have to go poop in the morning, with butt exposed to the cold? Does it help to wrap butt in mylar blanket? That way butt is warm and also, privacy :D How to keep warm after waking up in the morning and getting out of tent? Just put on more layers?
It's called the Weanas 1person adventure tent. Unfortunately they just discontinued it. Which is too bad, because it was a great tent and very popular! I'm going to reach out to them now to see if they have future plans of bringing it back!
Jaw just dropped. I never considered adding boiling water in a bottle to your footbox. I was so cold camping at 25*F (like -1*C or something). Great video. I haven't seen more recent ones but I'm hoping you'll be able to get a mic so you aren't sounding so much like an infomercial Haha
Dag'um all that money on all that gear ya could got a hot tent and stove lol. 4lb stove and just teton 20° bag and lots of extra room but ya also gotta add the saw and Hatchett in but still lots more room lol thanx 4 sharing
I agree! I took this on my coldest trip yet, and it was by far the hottest I’ve ever slept. Almost too hot... I’d be comfortable taking this down to ambient -30C!
8 lb sleep system is not practical for backpacking. Use multiple base layers and clothing you're already bringing. Eat snacks in your bag when waking in the night as that will raise your metabolism. Two pads are better than two bags. I could see sledding in an 8lb sleep system for a base camp though.
I’ve GOT to try being two pads! Although... I slept on two pads this past summer because one has a leak and it ended up being me most uncomfortable sleep I’ve ever had!
A 20 degree bag mixed with a 15-25 degree bag liner and an added 0 degree bag plus clothes, that’s a lot of gear just to stay warm. Why not buy a winter specific bag and save money as well as space in your pack?
Most winter specific bags (down to this temperature atleast) would be VERY pricey. While they'd definitely save you space and weight, the downside is they are really only one season use bags. Which makes them very costly, and not very versatile. With this system I can use my go-to summer sleeping bag with my go-to spring/fall bag plus my go-to liner (which I use on and off year round, weather depending), to create an essentially "free" (since I already own all this gear) go-to winter sleep system. So this actually saved me WAY more money than buying one expensive bag that I can only use for one season a year. Thanks for the input and comment. What bag do you use in winter? Keep Moving Forward man!
I’ve seen the USGI models and it’s what inspired me to do this with the gear I already owned. And that’s the key. Why buy MORE gear when you can just combine what you have. I’d love to mod a different modular system for backpacking that’s way lighter!
Awesome video mate! I have just started out trekking and camping and was wondering why equipment had to be so darn expensive and specialized. But your points are logical, build up a sleeping system in layers (same goes for clothes really). I mean, that liner would probably be perfect for me as a stand-alone summer sleeping bag since I am a warm sleeper. I currently have a 8-12C degree sleeping bag. it's light weight (600g) and is considered 2 season. Unfortunately it isn't very versatile since night temperatures can fluctuate heavily during non-winter seasons. I have been thinking of adding that reactor extreme liner to increase the usage of that bag. that way I would probably have a sleep system that would function between 2C to hot summer nights. (which would basically cover 95% of the year here in south of Sweden). And of course warm bottle and layered clothes for even more flexibility. (I also have a simple uninsulated 280g air mattress and a normal cell-foam sleeping pad. Putting the air mattress into the sleeping bag and on top of the cell foam does wonder to temperature. :)
Backcountry Exposure they’re all I’ve ever known! So I’m pretty content with them. Would love to upgrade one day though. I’ve got my eye on that alpine tensor for sure! I’m hoping to get out to some higher exposure winter trips in the next couple years.
Let's see an actual extremely cold campout usein all that, I know for a fact that sleep pad is not that good for cold weather. What kinda tent was that? It dont look like a good cold weather tent.
FOR ONLY 24 PAYMENTS AT 3.99% DOWN YOU TOO CAN WATCH MORE VIDEOS AAAAAAAAAND GET A NEW (used) CAR!!!! . . . Ps. if it makes it any better... I stopped yelling in most of my more recent videos. Lol! Keep Moving Forward!
Good point! The thing is a) these are two sleeping bags I already use for two different seasons, combining them saves me having to buy a THIRD one just for extreme winter temps ... plus, these are both very affordable bags! Combined they are still less than half the price of a -25F bag.
"...cost efficient or budget friendly..." I'll take these two out of my vocabulary and toss them as far as my 3rd ex-wife. Now...warm, comfy, soft, toasty, well rested, waking with a smile ...
Dude you could've gotten an USGI MSS sleep system which would do a better job, at a lower price. I bought one for 200 and change. It's also modular and includes a gortex bivy bag. It weighs about the same as your setup.
For an extra 100 get a proper bag and and xtherm. Save a boat load of weight for a few dollars. Teton is also a terrible brand to expect to last more than a season or two. They keep pulling products for recalls for quality issues
I've been using all my teton products for over two years and have only had a few issues (mostly my fault). Plus their customer service were great about it. It's easy to say to spend an extra $100 but that's not always doable for everyone. I'm glad I get to demonstrate a few budget options for those who need them. Thanks for the comment! Keep Moving forward!
@@BackcountryForward You are right, its not always easy for people to do so. IF this was summer Id say go for and deal with a rough night if you dont have things proper. What you are advocating is potentially lethal for someone who thinks that gear is safe enough to do this. It isnt.
@@Outcast569 I appreciate your concern. I really do, people’s safety while winter camping is a very serious matter. (I actually have some videos on that coming out soon). I STRONGLY advocate that people start by testing all their gear thoroughly in their backyard and in safe environments first (you can see my most recent video to see me emphasize that). As for this set up itself, I’ve tested this down to -30c and woke up VERY warm in the morning. If I hadn’t tested this to extreme temperatures, I’d be concerned. But having tested it I feel fairly confident. I do my best to research and test things so that I can recommend good tips, ideas, techniques, and gear to those who watch my videos. But I appreciate you holding me and all creators accountable! We need to be making wise suggestions!
But wait, if you buy everything now I’ll also throw in this all weather steak knives...but please know this offer will only last until you finish watching this video!!! Don’t wait....ahhh....sorry the video ended..sorry.
Webbsmart wait? “All weather steak knives?!?” DAG NABIT!! the steak knives I’ve been using my whole life must be just summer time steak knives. I’m greatly perplexed! Thank heavens I found this info-mercia.... err I mean informative RUclips video! 😅😂😜
I don't actually get up to go to the washroom usually, it seems to only happen when I'm camping and its particularly freezing outside... just my luck. haha
Yah... it’s a learning process to try and find your “RUclips voice” this was definitely towards the beginning of that journey. It’s gotten better in more recent videos I assure you 😆 It’s all about the journey and learning and growing! Keep Moving Forward!
**cringe** I’m just watching this video again.
I’m sorry for yelling the whole time! I don’t know what I was thinking 🤦♂️
BUT I promise the content is still good! I’ll try to yell less next time 🤷♂️
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Beaf Supreme dude, thanks man. That’s actually really valuable feedback! Can I ask a genuine question? In my most recent vid (the cold sleeper one) how was the volume? There were a few intentional and unintentional changes that I’d love some input on:
a) my microphone broke and b) i tried a calmer and quieter tone and c) in editing I purposely didn’t raise the volume as high... would you say it’s too quiet? I’m trying to find the right balance!
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How about 2:55 lol
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@@Ether-pb5gb Haha thank you!
yea i just realized that
WHY ARE YOU YELLING BRO😂
I bought every thing you have and sleeped with it and I was so so warm that I was sweating and all my clothes got wam
I'm SO glad you had a wonderful experience! If you're on any sort of social media I'd LOVE to see some pictures from your adventures! Shoot me a message or post on my page!
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I wrap up in a wool blanket then me and the blanket go into a USGI Extreme cold weather sleep system patrol sleeping bag. Put a Thermarest sleeping pad into a bivvy bag then roll the sleeping bag into the bivvy. And if it gets ludicrously cold I throw a USGI poncho liner in the sleeping bag too.
sounds toasty!
Last backpacking trip I was freezing my ASS off - thanks for the video that is so comprehensive! I upgraded to a down bag and your same exact liner, saving up for a better all season pad (planning on getting a tensor since I’m a side sleeper) and have been struggling with what to get to put between the pad and the ground to keep things warmer… I didn’t want to splash out on a SECOND sleeping pad but didn’t know what else to do. The emergency blanket is genius!!
Definitely the Mylar helps a ton! And if heading into really cold terrain or deep snow, a thin foam roll helps a ton too. There’s some pretty UL ones out there. But I’ve also just used a yoga mat or one of the cheap Chinese folding “z-lite” knock offs too.
I got rid of my Klymit insulated static V and got an Exped down mat instead and the difference was amazing I have never been cold since. 👍
Nice! I'm feeling my way into proper cold weather camping and this is a big help. I sleep warm when eating plenty of carbs but have felt the ground sucking the heat out of me when under-prepared. Surfing the value wave across generations of computer tech has taught me to plan ahead so that the big ticket items are useful for multiple jobs in multiple rigs. Hiking has been the same, and the gear may be super handy for literally decades!
OK, Thanks a million for 1 being a cold sleeper and 2 for sharing all your tips and tricks that work for non millionaires =)
Nothing is worse than being cold, people don't understand when I say my feet and hands feel like a sledge hammer hit them when they get chilled.
I am not joking it absolutely HURTS!
Now you have helped many of us be able to get out and enjoy our love for the outdoors and camping YEAR ROUND!!!!!!!!!!!
CHEERS!
YEA! That’s the key! Stay warm, have fun year round!
Glad I could help!
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Thanks for reminder that you don't need to spend $1,000,000 to backpack, even in the winter. It's easy to get carried away with the consumerism spend-spend-spend mentality! I was actually considering picking up a winter bag this fall, but I'm going to do the Jesse layering system with my liner, aegismax down bag, and MEC synthetic Centaurus. Hopefully it weighs less than 9 lbs. Haha
Justin Outdoors that’s the way to do it! I was actually just thinking the aegismax might be perfect for this system. (I’ve had my eye on one for a while now).
I’m ALL about the budget backpacking! The cost was something that held me back from pursuing this passion for WAY too long. So I’m passionate about telling people it doesn’t have to cost a fortune.... even if it weighs 9.5lbs 😂
Justin Outdoors I’m going to swap out my Teton Leef Of for my synthetic trailhead bag which should save me 2lbs. And only use the leef on the coldest of trips.
Combining your aegismax and vesper would probably be light weight AND ultrawarm. Just be careful with condensation and the vesper.
for any weather down to probably -20 to -30°F i use:
to lay on top of- a thin vapor barrier groundsheet, a heavy duty (still thin) reflective layer, deluxe foam pad, and thermarest padded air mattress (size is width of my sleeping bag.)
to lay in- i use a 45° Coleman Raymer (square bag with collar) which is super plush, warm, soft, and so comfy, and inside that i have my oversized 32° plush mummy bag with padded xtra warm footbag. i keep the mummy bag half unzipped and can zip the Raymer all the way up and still bend my knees when i sleep which is cruicial for me lol.
but inside my inner bag i have a thin military wool blanket that fits perfectly inside, not bunched up anywhere, so i can use that for extremely cold nights, or i carry my Wenzel camp quilt that i can use alternatively. or put one or the other inside, and the other one over me. this also gives me lots of versatility and options depending how cold it is. This sleep system is amazing for pretty much any temp, even in rain with no tarp ( i do have an emergency extra large bivy i also always carry, for hard rainfall if i have no choice.) plus it's almost constantly cool and foggy/humid at night here especially in any wilderness there's usually water anywhere you go. so tons of condensation. within 10-15 mins sitting or laying there at night youll be pretty damp..
but i'll usually have at least a tarp on me and my emerg. sportsmans blanket (reflective on one side) which is super lightweight and effective. it can also be an improvised lean-to, hammock cover for light rain, a groundsheet, or even on top of my whole setup if it's really humid. it doesn't let moisture in or out, 100% not breathable, but waterproof. you'll get a small amount of condensation inside overnight sleeping outside, but it's completely waterproof. which is great. but yea both bags are waterproof anyways just in case.
anyways yes lol you can tell i love talking about and making different sleep systems and camping/bushcraft/ survival setups and stuff. this took a while to put together, trying all kinds of different stuff, and this works amazingly for me. even if you had no fire, in rainy icy sub zero conditions, and had to sleep directly on the ground, you can feel safe and guarantee you'll be warm!
great video btw! thanks and glad you could read this or anyone else who might 😁
I love hearing all the versatility your options give you! That's awesome!
Your system is actually VERY similar to the military surplus modular system that's out there, just with a rectangle bag on the outside instead!
Great info here man!
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@@BackcountryForward Hey thanks so much! And thanks for the reply xD
i'm actually using it right now 😁 sleeping under the stars.
it's 36°F so not too bad. got my ground sheet, pad, and quilt to lay on. tonight i'm trying out this new coat i got. it's crazy. basically a sleeping bag..😂 it's from London Fog, 3/4 length with a thick down liner. the coat is like 4" thick. it's hilarious tbh. i feel like this alone could withstand 0°F no prob. also have my light down puffy underneath from the brand: "32° Heat". "weatherproof" kind of.. but im soo warm. wearing my thick Roots brand wool Hat, i have thermal flannel pajama pants under my light tactical pants, and some padded 'And1' brand warm socks. with just a t shirt. and using my 32° Heat brand tactical fleece, and another down puffy as a foot bag and for my legs. as an experiment so substitute for the sleeping bags and see what happens.
probably throw the sportsmans blanket over me when i sleep. it's working out real nice so far. didnt make a fire. and i have my wenzel pillow. my wool blanket is next to me if i do get cold which i doubt tonight. watching some youtube, drinking cold coffee (delicious), with some high energy snacks for extra calories to burn. im so warm right now. comfy cozy. the night sky and stars with the silhouette of the tall pines, oak trees, and cedars is just gorgeous. 3am now. couple hours til bed. take care man xD
@@DarkMetaOFFICIAL wow! What a wild night! I know a few people who pack extra heavy clothing just so they can sleep in that alone! I'm not there yet myself (I sweat too much during the day!)
@@BackcountryForward man lol, i forgot to mention i can only sleep in boxers and no shirt 😂 last night was super tired so fell asleep w pajama pants and t shirt but thats it. (and covered up w my big down coat).. wearing clothes at night drives me insane hahaha unless i might die xD then there's not much choice
@@DarkMetaOFFICIAL wait... so you’re not WEARING your jacket? Just using it like a blanket?! That’s crazy!
Plastic Nalgene bottles are a little less of a concern but the metal ones can condense water on the outside and cause serious issues after more than one night. Moisture kills, as you well know. My serious winter system is the old down Canadian Army sleep system that I have had for years and cost not much at all back in the day. The mylar blanket works pretty good to reflect cold away from you but not sure if folding it makes a difference. Good on you for hitting the woods after real freezing here in Canada!
TurtleWolf Pack literally packing right now to head up to a high alpine lake tomorrow! And good tip on the metal, I’ll stick to my plastic nalgene!
I’m also bringing a closed foam cell yoga mat this time round to stay warmer. Hoping that helps!
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@@BackcountryForward bodies of water add another level of cold as well, even in the summer. I was out at Landslide Lake here in Alberta back in June and there was still snow on the ground. I brought a poncho liner, the USGI summer bag, a bivy bag and my Bundeswehr parka liner and ended up not using the poncho liner but unlike you I am a very warm sleeper even as I age. My total load (mostly surplus gear) was 32 lbs for 3 days.
TurtleWolf Pack well what do you know! Landslide lake is my back up plan for tomorrow if I don’t make my intended destination! Always nice to meet a fellow Albertan.
My weigh out is WELL over that for this winter trip. 37lb base weight, 43.5 full loaded.
@@BackcountryForward 44lbs is a bit to be humping up the mountains in the snow isn't it? I am a firm believer in the little Pelican sleds in the winter months, not that Landslide is a really long trail. As an oilfield worker with school age children I don't get to do much in the winter either but I have trips on the books for the spring and summer. On of my summer kits is about 17lbs with no food or water. An advantage to winter at Landslide is that the marmots should be sleeping and not raid your camp!
TurtleWolf Pack I haven’t tried using a pulk yet, but one day. I imagine they’d be just as hard if not harder on high inclines (my faves).
I think 44lbs is a pretty decent winter weight. I know some who do much more (mind you with a pulk). Plus 4lbs is just the snow shoes!
My summer base weight is sub 20lb, usually around 18 depending on the trip.
Hopefully you can get out there for at least a few day trips!
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yep. that's how to do that bud! nice n toasty
insulation from the ground is super critical and if you're also raised up higher, you'll be warmer too. like a cot or raised bushcraft bed height. Great video thanks man!
Glad you found it helpful!
Thanks for your feedback and support!
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Some great info in here and putting some of it to use tomorrow in Algonquin Park. Off for 4 days and the nights are getting colder - armed with your suggestions, I anticipate warm, comfortable nights of sleep.
Definitely! Enjoy the warmth and coziness! Sounds like an amazing trip!
Come back and let me know how it was!
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Good video for new winter campers who can combine wive'sor friend's sleeping bag with theirs.
Call me old-fashioned but in winter I love my LL Bean -20 F. down mummy bag, size Long for storing boot liners, water bottles and electronics there. Got on a double sale fro $240. Yeah, still a bit spendy but WARM!
A good long sleeping bag is great for that! definitely!
And thanks for the compliment!
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Sleeping warm is always worth the extra weight imo. Plus in the winter you can save weight or at least balance it out by packing less water. It’s what snow is for :)
I agree on the first point 200%. However, packing enough water is actually really crucial in winter months. Dehydration is always just around the corner in the winter time. And while there's plenty of snow, if ever your stove fails, or you can't get a fire started, melting snow can be quite a hassle and very detrimental.
But usually this isn't too much of a concern! (Thankfully)
And if the weight is a real issue... there's always a pulk! 😁 (I have't used one of those yet!)
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Pro tip:
Find a military depot. I bought a new bag in Norway for 65$. The outer materiel is heavy duty. You need to apply effort to damage the bag. I use it in -25 C, with no extra warming equipment. No tents or tarps or anything when it's sub zero C. The only thing I do is to rip off pine branches into a bed that keeps my body off the frozen ground. It weights 3 kg. It takes no effort.
Definitely a lot of people love their military gear... the kicker is it’s VERY heavy. While that’s a great piece for winter, I wouldn’t want to haul that year round that’s for sure!
So... for nature calls... what is the procedure? Do you have a bottle you take inside the bags or you get out of the bags and go do your business and return?
Personally... I get out. But I promised some one I would try the "pee in bottle" technique this year... I haven't yet. lol
I just weighed my winter sleep system today and came in at 7.5 lbs. 🌬😁❄️
That includes my hammock and tarp plus all stakes and suspension; sleep clothes (since they have no other use in the winter - my daytime base layers are separate from my sleep clothes); 20°F topquilt and 0°F underquilt; inflatable pillow, ridgeline organizer bag, and stuffsack that everything but the tarp goes inside of and deploys as one single unit ready to hop into in just a few minutes.
I've also learned to drape my outer shell layers (raingear) over my hammock ridgeline to keep a little extra heat in and wind out. And on super cold nights I still have my midlayers that I could wear, plus some mittens, a thin balaclava, and ear warmers.
I would love to test my system down to 0°F but that's almost impossible where I live.
I love winter camping so much more than summer camping and this is the first year that all my stuff is dialed in and I don't really have any plans to change anything.
Come on up here to Canada!
Backcountry Forward : I would absolutely LOVE to! I used to live in the mountains of Colorado, and Canada just seems like a big giant Colorado to me. My Canadian winter sleep system would have to include my bigger tarp (two pounds [1 kilo] more!) and my Snugpak Jungle Blanket XL (another two pounds). And then of course I'd need my Descente ski jacket and Sven Saw. Plus a few things I don't currently own: some insulated ski pants, a good snow shovel, winter boots and snowshoes, or some telemark skis and skins. I have some old leather tele-boots already!
Damn it! Now I think your winter sleep system will end up lighter than mine.
I would absolutely love to go winter camping in Canada as long as it's not below -20°F and it warms up close to 10°F during the day. Any colder than that and I wouldn't want to be out for more than one night. Below -20°F is just plain cold, and below 0°F during the day is pretty cold too.
I accept your invitation! 😁 Cheers 👍
It was a good idea to fold your reflective blanket over. the bottom reflected the cold back down, the top the heat backup. the camping pad should have been between the folds of the blanket though.
I thought about trying that. Putting the pad between the two layers! But It would also make for a much more slipperier sleeping pad experience...
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Great video and great energy. What's the coldest you have had the Teton LEEF 0 with the Klymit V pad down to without the other layers? How about LEEF+Klymit+Reactor? Thanks!
yes, this definitely keeps warm but the problem is that this is easily getting too warm and you wake up and when you remove a few layers it is getting too cold. 2:40 quilt on top sounds good but it always gets out of place while sleeping. Actually, a tent doesn't need much energy to be heated up a little bit and a small wind-powered heater can do the job. This also solves the problem of not heaving to breath in cold air the whole night.
It's true it CAN get too warm, but only if it's not super cold outside... I've never had to take a layer off... but I have gone to be with one less layer of clothing if the weather doesn't look too bad. Interesting note about the wind-powered heater! But I imagine that might be a bit heavy... no? What brand do you recommend?
A really great job with this video! It was on my recommended page today… Maybe you hit another algorithm??!! 🙌🙌
Things are definitely starting to pick up with this video... we'll see where she goes! Thanks for the encouragement! And it was great chatting today, blessings bro.
Great vid! I'm about to embark on a 5 day solo trip in Minnesotas BWCA, here's to staying warm.
Henry Brooks literally packing right now to head out tomorrow to a high alpine lake for a night... well technically I’m currently procrastinating... but you get the idea... here’s to staying warm!
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Ps. Would love to see some pics! Go follow me on Instagram and I’ll return the favor to see some of your adventures!
Hope you had alot better gear than what's in this video. Lol
Hi there! what type of sleeping socks do you use with your sleep system? Do you use a dedicate pair or just any hiking socks you might be using?
I can't imagine what it would be like to camp at temp's that requires such extra effort to stay warm.
I live in the south west USA and it can get seriously cold but we're no contender with you guys 😲
I get claustrophobic when sleeping w clothes on so my bags are a little warmer than someone else may have at the same temp's. I have to carry a bit more weight but it works for me 😁
Traky boy I prefer not sleeping with clothes on too... which is why my summer bag is still rated to 20F haha. BUT I prefer not having hypothermia more when it is winter. Lol.
Keep the space small, keep the walls thick/insulated, keep a layer of something between yourself and the floor - you can stay naked as you like, your body heat should keep the space warm (ideally). Absolutely experiment with what works for you
Hey man, awesome video, i like your positive uplifting personality. Keep up the good work and all the best to you
Wow! Thanks so much! I appreciate your kind words! Genuine positivity is a rare commodity in the online world! Keep spreading the positive vibes and encouraging other creators! You have no idea how powerful comments like these are!
Cheers 😁
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Liked just for the effort put into 2:49
Thank you! I should do more stop motion in my videos!
yes third comment lol
to help the algorithm and to say i subbed 🙏😁🔥
Hahaha awesome! Thanks man!
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@@BackcountryForward dedication. motivation. acceleration. domination.
onward and upward. the only way! each and every day we grow stronger. grind grind grind! xD ☁️💎🌟
good stuff
@@DarkMetaOFFICIAL that’s my motto KEEP MOVING FORWARD! 👊🏼💪🏼👉🏼
@@BackcountryForward Awesome! i love it ☁️💎🔥
Wondering if putting Reflectix in the sleeping bag would help keep a person warmer in very cold conditions -20F.
Give that a try, and let us know.
Great suggestion, and thanks for the question! But... the answer is actually NO! Don't do this!
I did this the first time I ever tried winter camping a nearly gave myself hypothermia.
The emergency blanket causes what is called a "vapour barrier" meaning it holds in your natural vapour (sweat condensation, etc) and directs it back to your skin or clothes. If your sleeping bag isn't warm enough you wake up cold AND wet... trust me not fun. They only work well if a person is fully clothed, or they are used on the OUTSIDE of a sleeping bag. There is a way to sleep with vapour barriers which will actually make you sleep warmer and not get wet, but its very risky and requires a lot of practice.
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Reflextix is a radiant barrier. Not an insulator. It has ZERO R-value or insulative properties.
cpt awesome you got it! A radiant barrier adds no R-value unless partnered with an existing insulating barrier. That’s why it’s better to use it on the outside of a sleeping bag, your clothes, or under a pad. That way the radiated heat is actually trapped and slowed in the insulation layer, thus increasing the “resistance of heat flow” (R-value).
Thanks for the comment! Not often do vapor barriers, radiant barriers, and resistance flow actually get talked about in one conversation! Quite the informative discussion, thanks for adding to it 😄
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Saying that Reflextix has zero r-value is absolutely false. Want to prove it to yourself? Go out nearly naked to your cold cement porch and spend 15 minutes laying on the direct cement vs laying on a layer of reflextix -- and "no", the difference is not entirely due to the silver foil barrier. Want proof of that? Try the same experiment with standard bubble wrap. Reflextix is actually a pretty good "bang for the buck" insulating layer for backpackers who are looking or something durable, light, cheap, and not too bulky to pack. I've used it many times as a footprint under my tent for Idaho winter overnights.
I’m just getting into backpacking and bought the same Klymit Insulated Static V (same colour too). I’m glad that it’s also good for Winter camping. Thanks for this video and providing great tips for a more comfortable sleep. All the best, ~Vu
Hey man, the klymit is a great pad to get started with! That being said, after testing a few other pads I wouldn't necessarily recommend taking it out on cold winter trips without first testing out your system with it. I've done a fair amount of testing and with the right sleeping bags I can take it down to about -3F, and lower if I need to. But I'd say in most cases it's limit is about 30-20F. There are definitely better pads for the extreme cold. But when you're just getting started, you work with what you have!
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@@BackcountryForward Well said, and I totally agree with everything you say--it's a very sensible (and safe) approach. Since I'm just starting out, I'm aiming for the middle of the range gear, and with time I hope to upgrade to better/lighter gear as I gain more experience in the backcountry, but I feel like I need to 'earn my stripes' first. ;) Thanks for your input Jeese, and keep moving forward we shall! 🌲✊🏼
~Vu
@@TheEffortlessMan Awesome Vu! Love your attitude! Feel free to reach out with any questions. And shoot me a picture or two of you on your first trip over on instagram! I'd love to share it!
~Jesse
I think saving some money on a very expensive (likely $700+) winter temp rated bag is wise. Yes, there is a weight penalty but if you're not going too far and can stand to carry the weight it is a more versatile approach. The one improvement to your system that would add the most warmth and but no weight would be to use the Thermarest Xtherm which has an R value of 6.9. Alternatively, you could add one of the closed cell pads and approach the same R value the Xtherm provides. Your Klymit Static V pad has an R value of 4.4. Klymit describes the pad as "winter ready" but I would not take a pad with that R value into the backcountry if temps below freezing were predicted, and I'm a warm sleeper.
Interestingly, I've had some others say similar things about the klymit insulated! But I actually totally agree with everything you said! I love the versatility of this kit, but the one thing that I would likely change a couple years later is the sleeping pad. I've since switched to the Outdoor Vitals insulated sleeping pad which I find pretty great. But just this Black Friday I bought the Nemo Tensor! I'm hoping that'll do even better.
The Xtherm is on my Wishlist for next year!
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Okay I’m also a super cold sleeper thanks for the hot water bottle trick I hadn’t thought of that for some reason. I’m going back country camping tomorrow in Northern Ontario totally gonna try it now!
Let me know how it worked out!
@@BackcountryForward Oh it totally saved me, it got way cooler than the forecast was predicating and allowed me to sleep more comfortably. Thanks again for the tip!
@@MelgarInkPhotography So glad it helped!
@@BackcountryForward Thanks again!
The mylar makes a big difference. I use a product called reflectix. Works amazing
I'd like to experiment more with reflectix!
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You did the video or I am pretty sure it was yours and you talked about the proper way to use a Mylar blanket when you were cold and I remember you saying it reflects body heat and to put it against your skin. I’m confused then how putting it under your pad would do anything but I have to think it would but I don’t fully understand the science behind them . I’ve also seen people use some of the Mylar insulation they use around hot water tanks under their pads.
@@cliffspicer6555 I have been told to never put the mylar against your skin as it just makes you sweat and if you sweat, you are dead. I should mention that I live in Canada.
@@cliffspicer6555 I did do a video on how to use the mylar blanket, but I shared my story about how I put it next to my skin and I got soaked and had to bail on the trip because I was too wet. So definitely don't put it against your skin! 😄
It reflects heat back to you, and your sleeping pad (if it's good) should help to insulate your body, but inevitably some heat will go down to the ground. the Mylar blanket serves as another barrier to help reflect more heat back up into the sleeping pad keeping you warmer.
The "mylar people put around their hot water tanks" that you mentioned is the reflectix Darcy was talking about! It's a great product because it has insulation and thermal reflection. It's basically reflective bubble wrap. But those little bubbles help trap heat a bit more and better.
I'm glad you clarified, because putting it next to your skink is not the best idea! Although there are certain instances where emergency search and rescue will do that to create a vapour barrier... which is a whole different ball game!
Great comment and question though!
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Very informative! Top tip: a few push ups before going to be warms you up
Great job layering up!!! Man, you have some serious energy. Great video!
Haha thanks! The energy helps keep me warm on those cold Canadian nights! 👍👍👌
I am going to go winter sleeping on an island in the middle of a frozen lake soon. Have you ever tired cardboard as the floor layer in a tent? I'm thinking of trying this. I am catching a snowmobile ride there so carrying it is no concern.
I've never tried this! But I have JUST the piece! This sound's like a great idea. I'm going to try it! Cardboard WITH the mylar sheet would be even better!
Ps. I'd LOVE to hear about this trip or see it sometime! Are you on Insta?
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@@BackcountryForward Thanks! Yes i'm on insta as norajohnston_ . This trip is being planned for the end of January and i'm very much looking forward to it! You will (if it works) be able to hear and see it! It is planned to be my first youtube video! On a channel name I have not yet created (deciding on a name is hard), but will soon.
@@norajohnston1763 I hear you on the channel name! Just remember using your own personal name is a GREAT way to do it. I was just talking to Justin Outdoors about this, and he's really happy he chose his own name. For me Backcountry Forward has always been bigger than myself, so I prefer the brand aspect. But even I recognize the benefit of personal branding, and that really is what YOUTube is all about!
That's so exciting though!
I'll follow you on insta. Shoot me a message when you've posted it!
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Only thing I add is compressed foam pad on bottom and I use a Gatorade bottle to relieve myself in bag bonus it’s warm and ya don’t loose heat getting out to pee 👊🏻
I haven't been able to convince myself to pee in a bottle yet... but it might need to finally happen this year! I'll give it a try!
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So the question is does the foil help or not?
Great question! I can now say from experience... YES!
In fact I should do a video testing it out with a science test.
Great video! thanks for the info!
Thanks for watching.
Dude, thank you so much for this video ! Soooo cool, cheer from France.
So glad you enjoyed it!
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You are caffeinated and SO FUN!! This will be a great ride, watching you guys! Here in the desert 🌵 we worry about the HEAT, not sure we could do the ❄️ SNOW. “Oh I’m not done...”PLS NEVER CHANGE...I’m wishing you could bottle that energy, I’d buy A CASE!! Thnx for the info, “inAmerican😉” 👍👏🤝🇺🇸
Following The Agee's would love to get some desert camping under my belt one day!
Thank you so much for the encouragement, it really means a lot! If you’d like to see this whole system in action (and way more winter scenery), go check out the trail video at the end of this one (or search Outbound Jesse)! Thanks for your support!
Backcountry Forward...Will do, Buddy...it’s waaay more fun to WATCH YOU have fun!!
this was a fun video to watch, you're energy is great. Thanks for sharing! cheers :)
Thanks Taylor! I’m glad you enjoyed the enthusiasm! I love this sleep system!
He’s yelling at me like billy Mays 😂
You still lose heat through conductive loss, but I think the mylar on the bottom helps reflect radiative heat in the dead air-space between itself and the pad for sure, giving at least 2-3 degrees. I think it's totally worth it. For colder weather I use the mylar, my foam pad, and my air pad on top of the foam pad and I'd say that's good to 32f. Haven't seen if it goes lower yet as I don't winter camp but I'm going to find out soon...
Exciting! Enjoy winter camping! I always love it out there!
Depending on the air pad and what it's rating is, I've done the mylar, foam pad, air pad combo before with great success down to -10F
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@@BackcountryForward It's like 1 R value, so basically nothing. My foam one is 2.6 so together I get around 4 R value with the mylar (just a guess)
With a bit of a better airpad I could probably go to the temps you said, but I need a setup that can handle -20f or even lower so I likely need to move to one of the big-boy pads....
wallet hurts already
@@escapetherace1943 if you check the link in the description REI is clearing out their Klymit Static V insulated pads for like $65 I believe. Which is pretty dang good. And it’s not a bad pad. I’ve take it down to those temps and been okay as long as my sleep system is warm enough!
@@BackcountryForward 62 bucks but they're out. The Klymit is the one I'd go for though as it is the highest R value for the dollar. The 6 r value ones cost 200+ but with the klymit and my sol lite I'd get 6-7 at a combined 39 ounces, which isn't bad for winter and should work to -30
edit: sorry they're out or I'd definitely buy 1 to give you that affiliate comission
@@escapetherace1943 Sorry to hear that! I'll have to get rid of those links! Good to know.
Well, regardless, best of luck finding something that works!
Cheers
Jesse
Nice layering. Very smart, -stay safe out there in the cold! ❄❄❄❄❄🤘
I’ve got so much more gear I want to test with this layering idea to see if I can lower the weight and keep the heat!
I’ve even considered trying to make a modular sleep system (similar to the military’s) but for lightweights/ultralights... now if only I knew someone who was a master gear manufacturer who could teach me a thing or two 🤔😏
@@BackcountryForward ha! 👍👍 Winter systems are fun to play with... 🤘
TheBestBackpacker this winter I’m going to play around with vapor barriers at least once.
@@BackcountryForward practice when it doesn't count (when u can't freeze to death) 😶
Lots of nuance to the VPL! 😨
TheBestBackpacker that’s the plan! I’ve got some woods just a mile from my house.
Definitely have a lot more to research but I’m interested. My first experience was by accident and not a good one (brought a Mylar blanket into my sleeping bag thinking it’d help... I woke up soaking wet and shivering 🥶) 🤣
What about when you have to go poop in the morning, with butt exposed to the cold? Does it help to wrap butt in mylar blanket? That way butt is warm and also, privacy :D How to keep warm after waking up in the morning and getting out of tent? Just put on more layers?
What tent are you using in this video?
It's called the Weanas 1person adventure tent. Unfortunately they just discontinued it. Which is too bad, because it was a great tent and very popular!
I'm going to reach out to them now to see if they have future plans of bringing it back!
great advice - I am definitely using some of your tips.
Hope they keep you warm this summer and beyond!!
Thanks for a great video. Lots of useful info!☺💛
I'm very glad you found this helpful! Thanks for the comment!
Jaw just dropped. I never considered adding boiling water in a bottle to your footbox. I was so cold camping at 25*F (like -1*C or something). Great video. I haven't seen more recent ones but I'm hoping you'll be able to get a mic so you aren't sounding so much like an infomercial Haha
The infomercial voice DEFINITELY goes away 🤣😅
And that water bottle truck is HUGE for staying warm!
Dag'um all that money on all that gear ya could got a hot tent and stove lol.
4lb stove and just teton 20° bag and lots of extra room but ya also gotta add the saw and Hatchett in but still lots more room lol thanx 4 sharing
Do you need a 40,000 litre rucksack to carry it all.?
No! That’s the best part! Fits well inside my 60L! I mean it’s a bit tight, but it fits!
Mors kochasnski camped in -40 temps for decades and lived to tell us all about it
earned yourself a sub!
Thanks! Welcome to the journey!
Great use of gear, I always would rather be a little warm and cozy than a little cold and miserable all night.
I agree! I took this on my coldest trip yet, and it was by far the hottest I’ve ever slept. Almost too hot... I’d be comfortable taking this down to ambient -30C!
If you are a cold sleeper you can always just get a good down Western Mountaineering bag lol!
You buying? ;)
Even the Western Mountaineering bags can still be fairly heavy though... but they definitely are some of the warmest!
Have two of them warmest and most comfortable sleeping bags made
well I was also thinking just sleep in two bags, it seems it helps, but too much bags for bikepacking
How to carry all of that in the woods
Haha it’s not as bad as you might think!
with all that energy I'm sure you're warm all the time.
Thanks Mac
You bet bud!
8 lb sleep system is not practical for backpacking. Use multiple base layers and clothing you're already bringing. Eat snacks in your bag when waking in the night as that will raise your metabolism. Two pads are better than two bags. I could see sledding in an 8lb sleep system for a base camp though.
I’ve GOT to try being two pads! Although... I slept on two pads this past summer because one has a leak and it ended up being me most uncomfortable sleep I’ve ever had!
A 20 degree bag mixed with a 15-25 degree bag liner and an added 0 degree bag plus clothes, that’s a lot of gear just to stay warm. Why not buy a winter specific bag and save money as well as space in your pack?
Most winter specific bags (down to this temperature atleast) would be VERY pricey. While they'd definitely save you space and weight, the downside is they are really only one season use bags. Which makes them very costly, and not very versatile.
With this system I can use my go-to summer sleeping bag with my go-to spring/fall bag plus my go-to liner (which I use on and off year round, weather depending), to create an essentially "free" (since I already own all this gear) go-to winter sleep system.
So this actually saved me WAY more money than buying one expensive bag that I can only use for one season a year.
Thanks for the input and comment. What bag do you use in winter?
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The internet is a wonderful thing, I can get tips on how to stay warm in freezing temperatures from Charlie Day!
hahaha not sure if I see the similarity! But glad the internet made you smile!
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You'd be better ditching adk but your pad and heat sheet and getting a usgi modular sleep system. Same weight and less pieces
I’ve seen the USGI models and it’s what inspired me to do this with the gear I already owned. And that’s the key. Why buy MORE gear when you can just combine what you have. I’d love to mod a different modular system for backpacking that’s way lighter!
Awesome video mate! I have just started out trekking and camping and was wondering why equipment had to be so darn expensive and specialized. But your points are logical, build up a sleeping system in layers (same goes for clothes really). I mean, that liner would probably be perfect for me as a stand-alone summer sleeping bag since I am a warm sleeper. I currently have a 8-12C degree sleeping bag. it's light weight (600g) and is considered 2 season. Unfortunately it isn't very versatile since night temperatures can fluctuate heavily during non-winter seasons. I have been thinking of adding that reactor extreme liner to increase the usage of that bag. that way I would probably have a sleep system that would function between 2C to hot summer nights. (which would basically cover 95% of the year here in south of Sweden). And of course warm bottle and layered clothes for even more flexibility.
(I also have a simple uninsulated 280g air mattress and a normal cell-foam sleeping pad. Putting the air mattress into the sleeping bag and on top of the cell foam does wonder to temperature. :)
bruh its like 3am and at first I was like this dude is talking so fast he's energetic as fuck. Then realize my playback speed was at 1.25 lol.
hahaha this WOULD sound hilarious. I talk fast enough as it is!
Nice dood! I don’t love the klymit pads, but nice system!
Backcountry Exposure they’re all I’ve ever known! So I’m pretty content with them. Would love to upgrade one day though.
I’ve got my eye on that alpine tensor for sure! I’m hoping to get out to some higher exposure winter trips in the next couple years.
The only thing you forgot was a heater. Man you almost had your whole house in there
A heater!!! I KNEW I was missing something! (Next time!)
That's not snow...it's cocaine! :p
hahaha ... or I forgot to take my ritalin. LOL
Nice edit man, good video but too cold for me 😄👍
The Hiker Dad it was chilly, but knowing I can continue to enjoy the backcountry even in the winter is worth it!
Thanks for the comment!
Keep up the positivity bro ♥️♥️
Thanks man! You too!
The klymit is like a 1 season tent. Check the ratings
That really all depends which pad and which sleeping bag you use. But I'm glad you have a system that works for you!
Let's see an actual extremely cold campout usein all that, I know for a fact that sleep pad is not that good for cold weather. What kinda tent was that? It dont look like a good cold weather tent.
Absolutely! Here it is! Enjoy!
First Winter Backpacking Trip: Cold In the Canadian Rockies (On My Birthday!)
ruclips.net/video/oNKyLiPL974/видео.html
-28 celsius!?!? that's really cold!
Switch to decaf!
Matt Cero haha! Best comment ever! It’s more so the sugar!
Watching this video makes me want to buy a used car lol
FOR ONLY 24 PAYMENTS AT 3.99% DOWN YOU TOO CAN WATCH MORE VIDEOS AAAAAAAAAND GET A NEW (used) CAR!!!!
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Ps. if it makes it any better... I stopped yelling in most of my more recent videos. Lol!
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@@BackcountryForward lol 😆
Using two sleeping bags, one a 0° bag, and liner doesn’t seem cost efficient or budget friendly at all...
Good point! The thing is a) these are two sleeping bags I already use for two different seasons, combining them saves me having to buy a THIRD one just for extreme winter temps ... plus, these are both very affordable bags! Combined they are still less than half the price of a -25F bag.
"...cost efficient or budget friendly..."
I'll take these two out of my vocabulary and toss them as far as my 3rd ex-wife.
Now...warm, comfy, soft, toasty, well rested, waking with a smile ...
Dude you could've gotten an USGI MSS sleep system which would do a better job, at a lower price. I bought one for 200 and change. It's also modular and includes a gortex bivy bag. It weighs about the same as your setup.
For an extra 100 get a proper bag and and xtherm. Save a boat load of weight for a few dollars. Teton is also a terrible brand to expect to last more than a season or two. They keep pulling products for recalls for quality issues
I've been using all my teton products for over two years and have only had a few issues (mostly my fault). Plus their customer service were great about it.
It's easy to say to spend an extra $100 but that's not always doable for everyone. I'm glad I get to demonstrate a few budget options for those who need them.
Thanks for the comment!
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@@BackcountryForward You are right, its not always easy for people to do so. IF this was summer Id say go for and deal with a rough night if you dont have things proper. What you are advocating is potentially lethal for someone who thinks that gear is safe enough to do this. It isnt.
@@Outcast569 I appreciate your concern. I really do, people’s safety while winter camping is a very serious matter. (I actually have some videos on that coming out soon). I STRONGLY advocate that people start by testing all their gear thoroughly in their backyard and in safe environments first (you can see my most recent video to see me emphasize that).
As for this set up itself, I’ve tested this down to -30c and woke up VERY warm in the morning. If I hadn’t tested this to extreme temperatures, I’d be concerned. But having tested it I feel fairly confident.
I do my best to research and test things so that I can recommend good tips, ideas, techniques, and gear to those who watch my videos. But I appreciate you holding me and all creators accountable! We need to be making wise suggestions!
This is Josh Allen don’t lie to me
guilty as charged.
Foil doesn’t make a difference to convection,only radiation .
But wait, if you buy everything now I’ll also throw in this all weather steak knives...but please know this offer will only last until you finish watching this video!!! Don’t wait....ahhh....sorry the video ended..sorry.
Webbsmart wait? “All weather steak knives?!?” DAG NABIT!! the steak knives I’ve been using my whole life must be just summer time steak knives. I’m greatly perplexed!
Thank heavens I found this info-mercia.... err I mean informative RUclips video!
😅😂😜
You maybe diabetic if you get up that many times during the night, usually its to pass glucose.
I don't actually get up to go to the washroom usually, it seems to only happen when I'm camping and its particularly freezing outside... just my luck. haha
Can you please stop shouting at me
Yah... it’s a learning process to try and find your “RUclips voice” this was definitely towards the beginning of that journey. It’s gotten better in more recent videos I assure you 😆
It’s all about the journey and learning and growing!
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Bro. Crack is whack.
I agree! But when you don't have a snack, you also go whack! Guess I should have had a snickers! (or maybe I had too many 🤔)
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Get a cnvas cutter Much better system
Never heard of a cnvas cutter…
Sound loud! Stop talking like a salesman
Loud and fast talking Americans !!