Honestly the switch docks there shouldn't allow one to easily lift them in the first place if doing so causes a game loss, probably should have a bit that goes overtop them to lock them in so they don't get bumped out or anything like that.
It is a rough situation, but I do agree with the judges' call. Only thing I'd say is that Nintendo/TPC should really standardize the set-ups across all regions so that something like this doesn't happen again.
True, probably the right call since it is the rule, but rules aren't perfect and I think the rule should be changed. Imo, it should be changed. Something like if a player in a losing position disconnects, they lose the game, while if a player in a winning/equal position disconnects, they have to replay that game from scratch. I also think the opposing player should have a say as well, giving a reason for why the disconnected player should or shouldn't lose a game. Just my opinion, probably not a perfect solution. It's a weird situation anyway.
I’m not sure it’s about the setups - he said that Japanese switches can be removed from the dock without a disconnect, but he was in America so he simply wasn’t on a Japanese switch so he forgot or was unaware.
@@flakycroissant9349 Not my point. My point was simply that it wasn’t a fault of the setups - it was simply how they worked. Aka all the setups at the venue likely worked the same, it wasn’t that they were inconsistent.
@@My1xTwhat you even talkimg about. The docking port is wireless atleast mine is. So its saying japan only using wireless connections and the rest of the world does not makes no sense.
@@pride2184 a docking port is wireless? since when is a port wireless? what I was saying is that the tournament setup in japan could have been switch -> dock -> LAN cable (or if it's the old model with a USB LAN Adapter) while in the tournament setup elsewhere WLAN was just used. LAN might have been used e.g. due to wireless congestion or hoping for a more stable connection, which generally is the case.
I’ll give an unpopular opinion: I see a lot of “he knew the rules” comments. Of course he did. He wasn’t maliciously trying to end the match prematurely. The hardware acted differently than what he was used to using. If you can’t see that being a reasonable mistake, that would be like getting into a car where the gas and brake pedals were switched, but no one deciding to warn you until after you turn on your car and drive straight through your garage door. I think a no-point draw would have been a better call. Tatsuya would have been happy because it’s better than forfeiting a point, and his opponent would have been happy because he was already likely to lose the match anyway.
Completely agreed, supraied other top players don't have the moral ground to not take the free win in a case like this tbh. If I was the person who got the free win I wouldn't accept it
Nah, no-point draw would inevitably lead to exploitation or uneven enforcement of rules. If judges show any humanity or common sense now, it will be exploited later. It sucks that the guy made human error and lost perhaps the most important match of his life because of it but that's lesser of the two evils compared bunch of other people doing this maliciously and turning the competition to same shitfest football can be when it comes to exploiting the rules. Like do you want same "accident" happening dozens of times next year because players start rerolling for better odds because the match didn't start right and there's a chance they might lose later?
@@retrohanska4441 I don't play pokemon competently but I am one of the Top players in the game I do play (hollow knight) I am never taking a free win due to a stupid error
Rules are rules mane , if a controller disconnects during a fighting game match it counts as a round loss. I'm jealous their switch doesn't disconnect though in Japan, that's interesting
@@brewslideparkthe rule is if a player causes it on purpose r by their action. In this case he had every good reason to believe otherwise. The infrastructure is what failed not him. The rules didn't say sit straight up and don't lift ur switch. In the age of internet I am suprised that they're still using wires r something.
@@brewslideparkpeople who say "rules are rules" are most likely not sportsmen themselves and have never competed in eSports in any serious way. Cringe take sadly.
There's never really any winners in those cases. The guy that lost is salty because he probably had the w and the guy who won feels bad because he "didn't deserve it" if that makes sense
What do you mean?, there's totally a winner here, if I got a lucky win off that I'd be jumping for joy knowing that I was 100% gonna lose but my opponent fucked themselves over, a win is a win
The difference between how JP switch docks work, and NA switch docks work likely meant he had no idea picking the switch up would have caused a disconnect. Because in his native Japan, it wouldn’t have. I think he accidentally disqualified himself due to not knowing it worked differently
It would be relatively simple to build it, but I guess they're in either a cbf state with messing with the base engine they've probably been using for years or there's some security concerns if they don't make 110% sure it will only ever be accessed and used as a feature for tournament game issues. A lot of good feature ideas die at the "but what if someone cheats with it" stage. Then again they've been p shit with stopping cheating before so who knows if they even care lol.
I think it only happens when a lan connection was active, because it has to switch from lan to wifi connection, this change takes a bit of time so you have no connection for a short time
Imagine being literal seconds away from winning the match and progressing in a tournament, and losing two back-to-back games to get eliminated because *you* lifted the switch and caused a disconnect. That's definitely one of the regrets that keeps 'em up at night. If you just waited those few seconds until the match was over before adjusting for comfort...
It's tough, because the majority of the time it's hard to say what would have happened after the disconnect, but outside of like a double rock slide crit on Tatsuya this would have been a win for sure 🤔 common sense would suggest that Tatsuya would have won regardless, but rules are put in place to prevent abuse clauses, it's a bitter pill either way
This hurt so much to watch but it was the right call. I really hope we see more from Tatsuya. It's clear he's a really good team builder as well as player. Golisopod has hit so much different since I saw this team, and it's been doing a ton of work in the draft league I'm part of, so I'm very interested to see how it could be used in Scarlet/Violet.
I am gonna be maining it in SV if it is avalible. The whole emergency exit out at lower than 50% hp is nice bait and switch tactics. Bring it back in for that first impression.
How was it the right call? He did something that is completely fine to do in JP with JP Nintendo hardware. This was a failure on the part of TPC for not accounting for regional differences in hardware and disclosing that to players participating in the tournament. On JP hardware, lifting the switch from the dock is fine.. And, what's more, the rule was a DC is an instant loss, not, lifting the switch from the dock. This was an instant disadvantage to players from JP as this difference was not well known until this incident. It's like the lamest trap that's ever been set up.
@@jjbarajas5341 rules are rules, and I imagine the players would have been given a rulebook before the tournament, which would mean they were disclosed about it, and it’s his own fault for not reading the rulebook. It was the correct choice to dq him, cause that shows that the rules aren’t bendable even because of technicalities like difference in hardware between regions.
The consoles are the same lmao. This vid is so misleading. Tatsuya probably plays with wifi at home. Our wifis are really strong because our apartments are so small. I do this all the time; just pick up my switch from the dock in the living room to go to lie in bed to play. After I started playing Splatoon2 seriously I got LAN for my dock and sometimes when I change to pokemon and wanna lie on the couch to play, I still forget and DC myself when I do that lol. Can totally see that's what he did.
@@talon532Most places in the world do have equal rights for all those things (except sexuality probably). They just don't have equal numbers in practice. Besides, this is kinda unrelated political talk for a Pokemon video lol
@@DarkPikachuYTV this player also had a Switch Lite. They weren't playing on standard docks, but charging stands with LAN connections. He said himself that he wasn't trying to pick it up, he knew that would disconnect it, but must have moved it enough for a disconnect to happen.
Probably a re-do for the game makes more sense. In this case it’s clear the player didn’t mean to disconnect and made a mistake, but this also means he technically still needs more effort to win the match
If it was stated somewhere in the tournament rules that lifting the switch would cause a disconnect and thus the loss, then it's a good call. However, if Japanese players weren't aware that removing the switch would cause a disconnect, then they shouldn't be penalized for it. I I mean, I'm pretty sure everybody knows now, but you get the idea.
I think you stated pretty much right. I think Nintendo has more of an obligation to make sure that all of the championships are using the same equipment. I know I know it sounds kind of dumb but I don’t know they are one of the biggest gaming companies out there and they have a reputation to uphold.
How do the Japanese docks differ from international ones? Both of my systems will have internet issues if I'm using a wired connection on the dock and lift the system out since it's basically the equivalent to pulling the cable and switching to wireless
I don’t know more than the details here, and while I am a “rules-y” kinda player, I would have only considered it a fair disqualification if there was a contract-level breakdown to the players that the hardware at tournaments would behave differently than that of what they compete with at their home country.
You're the only person I love listening to talk about Pokémon haha 😄 your voice tone an attitude make it sound not like a kids game, make it sound SO strategic and just cool af. 😎 keep doing your thing my guy!
Pokemon should have rollback for major tournaments. When a disconnect happens, it should be possible to roll the game back to the state at the time of the disconnect.
@@brocksteele7475 Not rollback netcode like fighting games, simply a way to rejoin in the case of a disconnect. Think less Street Fighter and More League of Legends tournament mode.
Definitely sucks if this happens but still less infuriating than that one match where some person only won in the finalle because they were time stalling
This is one of those calls where its okay to make one judgment call, however, after this scenario, updates in the tournament system are to be expected.
This game turned from my favourite game at the World Championships this year to my least favourite instantly. Don't get me wrong, it was 100% the right call, but damn he should not have lost that match. Golisopod will not be forgotten ✊
If you think the judges made the right call and you also think he shouldn't have lost, then you don't actually think it was the right call. Those two statements contradict each other
@@p.v.7269 What I mean by that is, I think Tatsuya made the better plays that game and shouldn't have been in a scenario where he accidentally disconnects, giving him the L.
If it was a genuine accident then I think they made a bad call. Like you said in Japan it normally doesn’t cause a disconnect. If he was jumping around and it caused a disconnect that’s very different then him just doing something he’d typically do to be for comfortable.
@@theonewhoasked6454 I mean it's different though is it not? For example if the power went out on one of the outlets and turned off the console it was out of his control there was no ill intent y'know? He had little to no control over this happening and got punished after spending probably days preparing.
@@theonewhoasked6454 bruh he didn’t know it was gonna happen Wolfey even said in Japan they’re aloud to take the console out to be comfortable and players do it often. It’s like if you went outside and got robbed and I was like well it’s your fault because if you didn’t go outside you wouldn’t have gotten robbed!!
@@Satrim373 it's still against the rules it's his fault for not knowing them it's his fault for breaking them they're not going to change the rules for certain players
I won't lie dude that's a mindset I take a lot of issue with. If the rules end up changing for the future, why the hell are you punishing the guy who broke the old rule in such a way that made it clear that the rule was unfair in the first place?
@@exittea616 So we're not allowed to learn from the past ever? The TOs have a tournament to run, there's a live audience both in person and online so the show needs to get moving. They don't have the time to sit down and have lengthy discussion on what to do about this. Giving him a free pass opens the door for other people in the same tournament to abuse it. Hard putting their foot down ensures that this doesn't happen again going forward for the rest of the event. Afterwards when they have time they can review the situation and adjust as needed. I'm not saying it's the players fault not knowing the hardware worked differently, I'm just saying the TO made the right call in that moment for the sake of the event.
I think replaying the match would have been more fair. It wasn't his fault the technology isn't standardized between regions. He was accustomed to this feature working the way her intended. It was the tournament organizers responsibility to consider this possibility and advise him ahead of time if this was an issue. They have no excuse for not considering that this might happen.
Unfortunately you can't replay the game state. It sucks, and probably not his fault, but it was the right call from the judge's perspective. Unfortunate things can happen in any competitive situation. You kind of just need to learn to accept the outcome and try not to repeat the situation that caused. Honestly, if I was the opponent, I would have conceded the win but it is a competition so don't blame the guy for taking any advantage he can get.
The rule exists to prevent abuse from the participants and, albeit this is not the case, it could set up a dangerous precedent for following tournaments. And, as someone who has participated in many tournaments, not only in video-games but other disciplines as well, you should ALWAYS be aware of what this particular event's rules and set-ups are. Not saying it's the guy's fault, but the call from the judges is still appropriate.
@@andreescalona8902 Just because this one situation with extra nuance makes the decision different doesn't mean that decision has to be standardized across every single other instance regardless of context. That is an insanely black and white way to look at things. If someone intentionally disconnects to forcibly end a match, that should be there loss. But if someone had absolutely no idea that what they were about to do would disconnect the match, then it should just be a null point. Same thing if it was completely out of control for both parties.
I straight up stopped watching the tournament after this match. I know what the rules say, but Tatsuya got robbed. I was tired of seeing the same four teams over an over so I was just done when Golisopod was eliminated.
Depends where the tournament was played. If in Japan, correct decision. If played outside of Japan, he should've been properly informed about this mechanic of the Switch and the game should've been replayed. As he was in SUCH a favourable position, replaying the game is still a huge setback and the player who accidentally DC'd will pay his penance by going back to square one for that specific game when he was about to win. Giving him a loss if, as you say, he genuinely didn't know the DC was going to happen, because it literally wouldn't have done on a Japanese Switch, I personally think that's ridiculous and should warrant a rule change to prevent anything like this from happening again.
Judge’s call is bullshit. Docked mode shouldn’t cause a LAN failure. This means Game Freak’s terrible and outdated code cost someone lots and lots of potential winnings. Sickening.
Reminds me of when I lost a Zombies tournament because my controller batteries died and it caused an instant pause, disqualifying me because pausing wasn't allowed
It would have been better for the game to just have been null point. It doesn't need to go to one person or the other. They can just play a new match and ignore that one since it was interrupted unfairly.
According to the player's own Twitter, this isn't exactly what happened. They weren't using standard docks, they were using third party stands which had charging and LAN connections, but the players were still playing on their Switch screens. He was using a Switch Lite and the built in controllers, where most players were using separate controllers. He says he knew it was a wired connection and he wasn't trying to pick it up, but he must have moved it enough to lose the connection with the stand. This was also the second time it happened, it happened earlier in the tournament and they just voided the game and replaced the stand. But when it happened again on a stand that had been used many times without issue it's assumed the issue was with his Switch. He also agreed with the judges' decision.
Even though it's a rough call and I have to agree with the judges I would say that from this point on they should have the setup made so players can't tamper with the dock during the match at all. Put the docks out of arms reach during a match from now on.
Everybody in this comment thread saying it's his fault and ignorance is no excuse all need their heads examined. He's used to a game console behaving a certain way in his country, and he has no reason whatsoever to suspect that the exact same console would behave differently in a different country or region. Just like most non-Japanese switch owners wouldn't know that being able to remove it from the dock without disconnecting is even a thing that is possible. The consoles should have been designed to behave the exact same way in all regions. There is literally no reason why a Japanese Switch can be safely undocked but a non-Japanese Switch that's identical in every other way cannot. He's never played on a non-Japanese Switch before so he had no way to know, and no reason to believe it should or would behave differently. The judges should have told him beforehand, knowing that he's a Japanese player using a non-native console, or they should've been understanding and let it slide. Maybe let them rematch or something. It wasn't an intentional disconnect, and "ignorance of the law" doesn't apply in this case.
Was it mentioned in a rules document or somewhere else that lifting a switch could cause a disconnect? Could Tatsuya have been aware? Either way, it's incredibly heartbreaking to lose a match like this, and I think I also can agree with the judge's call.
99.9999% sure he either wasn't aware of that or he completely forgot about it. In official tournaments, especially WORLDS, you litterally never want to cause a disconnect, even if you're losing, because the stakes are too high and the rules are very harsh with disconnects.
Fighting game controllers have the start / select button usually placed on the back instead of on the face so you don't accidentally press them. I remember someone get DQ'd because they accidentally pressed start mid-combo in a match they where likely to win.
Man just the thought of "Oh, sorry, I'm not used to this happening" "That's OK, it happens to everyone some day" "So I won't be punished?" "Oh, no, you absolutely will."
This reminds me of how in Super Smash Bros you lose a game if you pause it. The only exception to this is if you have insane timing and pause right when you land the final kill move on the last Frame before the attack comes out. It's a way to assert dominance.
What method was used for connection during the World Championships in 2022? If both consoles were connected by Ethernet or LAN, it might explain why the disconnect occured.
Cases like this are why you bend the rules sometimes. It's clear he didn't know that would happen, so it was a bad call. Even his opponent would agree that he should've been given a victory there.
It's one of those cases where there's no good decision. Sucks for the Golisopod guy, I was rooting for him, but I mean it was him who caused the disconnect
Context matters and there was a plausible reason why he would not know that would happen. He should've been given his clear win or at the very least have it ruled a restart.
The game wasn't over. A double crit could have ensured the other player won. Ending the game prematurely made him deserve the L. He knew he was going to play on regional hardware well before hand. He should have read the rules and gotten familiar with the devices.
Really what will Tatsuya have said to his friends after he came back from the tournament? "Sorry guys, its my fault I only wanted to be more comfortable..."
I hate that “the rules are rules no matter what” mentality, just because something goes along with the rules doesn’t mean it’s the right thing. Some logical thinking should also go into things like this instead of immediately thinking “well it’s against the rules so fuck him.” It’s not like he was actually losing 6-0, he was the clear winner. Imagine doing a run in a game and the challenge is to not attack using your main weapon and the person accidentally uses their weapon on nothing or on something that barely took damage from it, why the hell should he have to restart the run because of that one accidental screw up? Dude didn’t solo the final boss with the main weapon.
@@arsenex4183 the thing is that Pokémon has more to it then that. There were many outcomes that could have came from the match and to say Tatsuya was 100% affirmed to win is a bit wrong. Although this ruling could set a wrong precedent and people who could exploit the ruling could use it as stated in the video to gain a lead and then disconnect “accidentally” to avoid any chance of them losing.
I feel for the guy, but the problem is precedent, so I get the ruling. If we allow one person to do this, we invite another to do it down the line. At the end of the day, a direct rematch is unfair when you’ve seen how most the battle plays out. I do think if they were to review these things, this case COULD be an exception as he was winning and this wasn’t bad sportsmanship from losing or not knowing the rules, but rather a difference in hardware. Nothing to do with the game or responsibilities of the player. That said, as harsh as it sounds, this is a lesson learned. Not one we’d realistically expect to have been learned prior, but it’s a better to teach a frustrating lesson and deter it from happening again, than to ask Nintendo to change the development of hardware specs because a guy from Japan lost in a Pokémon tournament from differences in hardware provided to other countries and we don’t want a precedent to be set.
The docks are the same across regions. The difference might just be that some places use wired LAN, and other places use wireless LAN. If wired LAN is used, then lifting the switch off the dock would cause a disconnect.
I situation occurs in kill races in warzone. If a team is winning, they can kill themselves to end the game, receiving a win for "having more kills when the match ends". The reason why I bring this up is, if a player is leading, they can immediately pull the plug, not allowing the game to finish.
Guillermo Kasty Diaz, the person who got second place at worlds, talked a bit about the controversy on Twitter. He mentioned that he faces Tatsuya in round 7 of swiss, where Tatsuya managed to disconnect three times. I'm confused, though. Since games are best two out of three, shouldn't the maximum number of disconnects be two? Did they just restart the game since the disconnects happened before any actions were made?
@@Everetses They do bring their own consoles. I think you are right that he had a loose connection. 4 known disconnects in a single tournament is really high.
It's crazy to me that they don't just design a basic game for Tournaments and stuff, one that they could change values in more easily to revert the game state when stuff like this happens.
Why doesn't the game just reconnect after putting the Switch back in the dock? And why does it disconnect in the first place? My internet sometimes disconnects for a few seconds. In a turn based game, a short disconnect shouldn't be a problem.
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I think it was an accident and a glitch in the system caused the disconnect, you said yourself that docks in Japan are designed to not disconnect when undocking the switch
Unfortunately it was the only call the judge could make until game freak implements the ability to restore game states to their exact conditions upon disconnect.
This reminds me of a battle I had not that long ago in a Pokemon group on Facebook the owner actually did that against me and not only did he claim the win but was proud of it as well
The game wasn't over. There was still a tiny chance the other player could have won. The people are saying to give a guy who ended the game prematurely the win are delusional. On a sidenote, he knew he was going to be playing on regional hardware. Therefore, he should have gotten familiar with it before hand.
Wait if I undock my switch it’ll disconnect from a match? That seems like an odd design choice, almost like a bug they couldn’t fix so it became a “feature”
More people are going to lie awake at midnight having nightmares about accidentally lifting the switch after this match
laughs in switch lite user
@@_.SnowyNights._ thank god we’re broke
Yeah
Honestly the switch docks there shouldn't allow one to easily lift them in the first place if doing so causes a game loss, probably should have a bit that goes overtop them to lock them in so they don't get bumped out or anything like that.
@@_.SnowyNights._ 😂😂😂 Nah Forreal
"So how did you lose that game?"
"I lifted the Switch off the dock"
LOL
also how do you have 2k likes and no replies
😂😂❤😂
4k@@sowsow6677
He Abra Kadabrad his switch of the dock
@@sowsow6677The people who gave those likes either couldn't think of a reply or didn't bother
That Golisopod was going to reach the ranking that only Eggy and Pachirisu achieved.
what was eggy?
@@Shadowgangster123 Wolfey's Exeggutor during his 2012 World's run where he finished 2nd
Ikr what a shame this happens
But, after everything, the player ended up leaving involuntarily
_Very in character for a Golisopod-_
@@ARandomMinecraftVillager It wasn't an accident nor malice, the player clearly left to reference Golisopod
It is a rough situation, but I do agree with the judges' call. Only thing I'd say is that Nintendo/TPC should really standardize the set-ups across all regions so that something like this doesn't happen again.
True, probably the right call since it is the rule, but rules aren't perfect and I think the rule should be changed. Imo, it should be changed. Something like if a player in a losing position disconnects, they lose the game, while if a player in a winning/equal position disconnects, they have to replay that game from scratch. I also think the opposing player should have a say as well, giving a reason for why the disconnected player should or shouldn't lose a game. Just my opinion, probably not a perfect solution. It's a weird situation anyway.
I’m not sure it’s about the setups - he said that Japanese switches can be removed from the dock without a disconnect, but he was in America so he simply wasn’t on a Japanese switch so he forgot or was unaware.
@@HyperLuigi37 doesn’t matter, rules are rules
@@flakycroissant9349 Not my point. My point was simply that it wasn’t a fault of the setups - it was simply how they worked. Aka all the setups at the venue likely worked the same, it wasn’t that they were inconsistent.
@@HyperLuigi37 He’s an auto generated npc don’t reply to him
i'd never touch a switch again if this happened to me jesus, that's so unfortunate
Patterz = poggers
I know that's just heartbreaking
Sure you wouldn’t 🤓
@@edsan8564bro did a face reveal
Mhm definitely
I was watching this, it really seemed like he didn't know it would do that,
I feel bad, I love how he took one of my favorite bad Pokemon to worlds
Imagine just wanting to get a little more comfortable and then you straight up lose
I think the real take away is that the rest of the world really should have the same docks as Japan. Doesn't make sense for them to be different
maybe it's about the tournament setup e.g. japan using WLAN and outside using wired LAN.
@@My1xTwhat you even talkimg about. The docking port is wireless atleast mine is. So its saying japan only using wireless connections and the rest of the world does not makes no sense.
@@pride2184 a docking port is wireless? since when is a port wireless? what I was saying is that the tournament setup in japan could have been switch -> dock -> LAN cable (or if it's the old model with a USB LAN Adapter) while in the tournament setup elsewhere WLAN was just used.
LAN might have been used e.g. due to wireless congestion or hoping for a more stable connection, which generally is the case.
@@My1xT think i may have been misunderstanding something and said something dumb without even realizing til i reread what i said 😂
Or Japan should have the same docks as the rest of the world -_-
I’ll give an unpopular opinion:
I see a lot of “he knew the rules” comments. Of course he did. He wasn’t maliciously trying to end the match prematurely. The hardware acted differently than what he was used to using. If you can’t see that being a reasonable mistake, that would be like getting into a car where the gas and brake pedals were switched, but no one deciding to warn you until after you turn on your car and drive straight through your garage door. I think a no-point draw would have been a better call. Tatsuya would have been happy because it’s better than forfeiting a point, and his opponent would have been happy because he was already likely to lose the match anyway.
Completely agreed, supraied other top players don't have the moral ground to not take the free win in a case like this tbh. If I was the person who got the free win I wouldn't accept it
@@ashtinpeaks9972 respect
Nah, no-point draw would inevitably lead to exploitation or uneven enforcement of rules. If judges show any humanity or common sense now, it will be exploited later. It sucks that the guy made human error and lost perhaps the most important match of his life because of it but that's lesser of the two evils compared bunch of other people doing this maliciously and turning the competition to same shitfest football can be when it comes to exploiting the rules. Like do you want same "accident" happening dozens of times next year because players start rerolling for better odds because the match didn't start right and there's a chance they might lose later?
@@ashtinpeaks9972 and this is exactly why those are at championships and you aren't
@@retrohanska4441 I don't play pokemon competently but I am one of the Top players in the game I do play (hollow knight) I am never taking a free win due to a stupid error
If only there was a way to recreate the gamestate exactly so that you could just continue from before the disconnect
Man, that would be so helpful wouldn't it 😂😂
Rules are rules mane , if a controller disconnects during a fighting game match it counts as a round loss. I'm jealous their switch doesn't disconnect though in Japan, that's interesting
@@brewslideparkthe rule is if a player causes it on purpose r by their action. In this case he had every good reason to believe otherwise. The infrastructure is what failed not him. The rules didn't say sit straight up and don't lift ur switch. In the age of internet I am suprised that they're still using wires r something.
If Gamefreak were remotely competent this would easily be possible. But theeeeeey AINT
@@brewslideparkpeople who say "rules are rules" are most likely not sportsmen themselves and have never competed in eSports in any serious way. Cringe take sadly.
There's never really any winners in those cases. The guy that lost is salty because he probably had the w and the guy who won feels bad because he "didn't deserve it" if that makes sense
What do you mean?, there's totally a winner here, if I got a lucky win off that I'd be jumping for joy knowing that I was 100% gonna lose but my opponent fucked themselves over, a win is a win
@@JP_...__.__.._that is the difference between you and a person of value and character
@@Cloud-gl1zq it ain't anything serious damn it's just a game
@@JP_...__.__.._do you remember the fact that it was a World championship?
@@JP_...__.__.._yea, and thats why you are not at worlds
The difference between how JP switch docks work, and NA switch docks work likely meant he had no idea picking the switch up would have caused a disconnect. Because in his native Japan, it wouldn’t have. I think he accidentally disqualified himself due to not knowing it worked differently
It was something that should have been stated more clearly and he probably feels horrible about the tiny slip up
it would be nice if a turn based game could return back to where it was before the discussion
It would be relatively simple to build it, but I guess they're in either a cbf state with messing with the base engine they've probably been using for years or there's some security concerns if they don't make 110% sure it will only ever be accessed and used as a feature for tournament game issues. A lot of good feature ideas die at the "but what if someone cheats with it" stage. Then again they've been p shit with stopping cheating before so who knows if they even care lol.
Tatsuya should've been told not to do that or something because if it's known that it's normal in japan atleast warn the guy
I imagine a warning wouldn't necessarily have helped. It was likely an automatic muscle-memory action.
@kaitlynnscribbler4349 yeah, but at least the decision would have been far less controversial, since he would have been an informed mistake.
@@thomaswilkerson2711 Who's to say he wasn't?
You're assuming part of the story that wasn't given.
so if you take the switch out of a Japanese dock, it doesn't disconnect it? why is that not how it works everywhere else?
Wondering the same thing. The dock is supposed to redirect the video output, why does it even interact with its network comms?
I’m assuming maybe there was a lan connection. Which if removed causes the connection to be lost. Idk.
I think it only happens when a lan connection was active, because it has to switch from lan to wifi connection, this change takes a bit of time so you have no connection for a short time
If i have lan deactivated i can easily pull it out without a disconnect
yea maybe Japanese tournaments are done on wifi while elsewhere it's on ethernet? no clue
“Why am I better than the other person when it doesn’t even fucking matter.”
-Shofu
Imagine being literal seconds away from winning the match and progressing in a tournament, and losing two back-to-back games to get eliminated because *you* lifted the switch and caused a disconnect.
That's definitely one of the regrets that keeps 'em up at night. If you just waited those few seconds until the match was over before adjusting for comfort...
I agree it very much can be abused too bad the Atlanta Falcons couldn’t do this up 28-3
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When will my falcons get a break. 😂
@@NotGord about when my Seahawks don't throw the ball 18yds from the end zone
@@NotGord never. Never ever. Your Falcons will need to abandon the Falcon name first.
I'm still salty about that. Never betting on the Falcons again.
It's tough, because the majority of the time it's hard to say what would have happened after the disconnect, but outside of like a double rock slide crit on Tatsuya this would have been a win for sure 🤔 common sense would suggest that Tatsuya would have won regardless, but rules are put in place to prevent abuse clauses, it's a bitter pill either way
personally I would love to see a future where there's a possibility to reconnect and a disconnect doesnt immediately cancel
This hurt so much to watch but it was the right call. I really hope we see more from Tatsuya. It's clear he's a really good team builder as well as player. Golisopod has hit so much different since I saw this team, and it's been doing a ton of work in the draft league I'm part of, so I'm very interested to see how it could be used in Scarlet/Violet.
If it’s in Scarlet and Violet
I am gonna be maining it in SV if it is avalible. The whole emergency exit out at lower than 50% hp is nice bait and switch tactics. Bring it back in for that first impression.
How was it the right call? He did something that is completely fine to do in JP with JP Nintendo hardware. This was a failure on the part of TPC for not accounting for regional differences in hardware and disclosing that to players participating in the tournament.
On JP hardware, lifting the switch from the dock is fine.. And, what's more, the rule was a DC is an instant loss, not, lifting the switch from the dock. This was an instant disadvantage to players from JP as this difference was not well known until this incident. It's like the lamest trap that's ever been set up.
@@jjbarajas5341 rules are rules, and I imagine the players would have been given a rulebook before the tournament, which would mean they were disclosed about it, and it’s his own fault for not reading the rulebook.
It was the correct choice to dq him, cause that shows that the rules aren’t bendable even because of technicalities like difference in hardware between regions.
@@NocturnalPyro That is PURE speculation on your part.
I can feel how pissed tatsuya was when he loses that match omg
Btw y the hell are our console made different? We paid the same money
You can say the same about racism and gender and sexuality and equal rights, etc.
The consoles are the same lmao. This vid is so misleading. Tatsuya probably plays with wifi at home. Our wifis are really strong because our apartments are so small. I do this all the time; just pick up my switch from the dock in the living room to go to lie in bed to play. After I started playing Splatoon2 seriously I got LAN for my dock and sometimes when I change to pokemon and wanna lie on the couch to play, I still forget and DC myself when I do that lol. Can totally see that's what he did.
@@talon532Most places in the world do have equal rights for all those things (except sexuality probably). They just don't have equal numbers in practice. Besides, this is kinda unrelated political talk for a Pokemon video lol
@@KryaDierecan’t relate I have switch lite and am confused how this happened
@@DarkPikachuYTV this player also had a Switch Lite. They weren't playing on standard docks, but charging stands with LAN connections. He said himself that he wasn't trying to pick it up, he knew that would disconnect it, but must have moved it enough for a disconnect to happen.
Imagine getting up from a chair and your switch just rockets into orbit after it tells you that you were disconnected
Probably a re-do for the game makes more sense. In this case it’s clear the player didn’t mean to disconnect and made a mistake, but this also means he technically still needs more effort to win the match
If it was stated somewhere in the tournament rules that lifting the switch would cause a disconnect and thus the loss, then it's a good call. However, if Japanese players weren't aware that removing the switch would cause a disconnect, then they shouldn't be penalized for it.
I I mean, I'm pretty sure everybody knows now, but you get the idea.
Gotta say, strange quirks like this between different consoles is always really interesting to learn about
I think you stated pretty much right. I think Nintendo has more of an obligation to make sure that all of the championships are using the same equipment. I know I know it sounds kind of dumb but I don’t know they are one of the biggest gaming companies out there and they have a reputation to uphold.
A very Golisopod-esque thing to happen actually. Emergency-Exitting out of there
Pokemon Masters try to predict each other's moves all the time. But sometimes you gotta predict regional console mechanics, too.
Shame that we haven't invented internet yet so all that players can do is guess
How do the Japanese docks differ from international ones? Both of my systems will have internet issues if I'm using a wired connection on the dock and lift the system out since it's basically the equivalent to pulling the cable and switching to wireless
@@alexmulder1145 According to the video, it wouldn't cause a disconnect.
He knew he'd be playing on this region's hardware months in advance. This is a well known difference.
@@coolspider295 well if he didnt know it then its clearly not well known enough
His opponent really said "guess im just better" and took the dub lmao devious
I don’t know more than the details here, and while I am a “rules-y” kinda player, I would have only considered it a fair disqualification if there was a contract-level breakdown to the players that the hardware at tournaments would behave differently than that of what they compete with at their home country.
You're the only person I love listening to talk about Pokémon haha 😄 your voice tone an attitude make it sound not like a kids game, make it sound SO strategic and just cool af. 😎 keep doing your thing my guy!
The fact that this could even happen in the first place is fucking embarrassing. Why don’t they make savestates for these matches?
I’m glad that you actually gave the players credit this time
Pokemon should have rollback for major tournaments. When a disconnect happens, it should be possible to roll the game back to the state at the time of the disconnect.
Rollback netcode truly is our messiah.
@@brocksteele7475 Not rollback netcode like fighting games, simply a way to rejoin in the case of a disconnect. Think less Street Fighter and More League of Legends tournament mode.
Hek, even a 10s reconnecting timer would be enough, they just straight up disconnect u, on a turn based game
Definitely sucks if this happens but still less infuriating than that one match where some person only won in the finalle because they were time stalling
Dude, he literally did not deserve that, like he’s used to another type of dock it’s not his problem man
It is the exact same kind of loss as a false start in the olympics: you prepare to get to a point to have a reflex make you lose
Imagine the rillaboom with boomburst and gets a double crit kill
This is one of those calls where its okay to make one judgment call, however, after this scenario, updates in the tournament system are to be expected.
Tatsuya activated Emergency Exit ability.
It be so easy to implement savestates so that things like this dont happen but that would require gamefreak to innovative their game
This game turned from my favourite game at the World Championships this year to my least favourite instantly. Don't get me wrong, it was 100% the right call, but damn he should not have lost that match. Golisopod will not be forgotten ✊
not to mention how come a turn based game cant just be reset to what it was at before the disconnect?
@@HidingOverHere Cuz Nintendo & Pokémon sucks
If you think the judges made the right call and you also think he shouldn't have lost, then you don't actually think it was the right call. Those two statements contradict each other
@@p.v.7269 What I mean by that is, I think Tatsuya made the better plays that game and shouldn't have been in a scenario where he accidentally disconnects, giving him the L.
It's a fair call. I'm sure everyone is doubly aware now so hopefully no more accidents.
If it was a genuine accident then I think they made a bad call. Like you said in Japan it normally doesn’t cause a disconnect. If he was jumping around and it caused a disconnect that’s very different then him just doing something he’d typically do to be for comfortable.
Yes because rules don't matter
@@theonewhoasked6454 I mean it's different though is it not? For example if the power went out on one of the outlets and turned off the console it was out of his control there was no ill intent y'know? He had little to no control over this happening and got punished after spending probably days preparing.
@@Satrim373 but he can control if he can pick it up he can't control the power goes out he still broke a rule so he gets punished
@@theonewhoasked6454 bruh he didn’t know it was gonna happen Wolfey even said in Japan they’re aloud to take the console out to be comfortable and players do it often. It’s like if you went outside and got robbed and I was like well it’s your fault because if you didn’t go outside you wouldn’t have gotten robbed!!
@@Satrim373 it's still against the rules it's his fault for not knowing them it's his fault for breaking them they're not going to change the rules for certain players
The judges made the right call. But in the future they need to clarify details like that.
maybe it was the right call in the moment because of the current rule set, but it needs to be changed in the future because of this occurrence.
Why change it? It's the rules it's on him for not knowing
@@theonewhoasked6454 you mean the rule that said don't undock the switch because it causes a disconnect? It did not exist.
I won't lie dude that's a mindset I take a lot of issue with. If the rules end up changing for the future, why the hell are you punishing the guy who broke the old rule in such a way that made it clear that the rule was unfair in the first place?
@@theonewhoasked6454 They should place sign what not to do, people just lazy to do such easy stuff
@@exittea616 So we're not allowed to learn from the past ever? The TOs have a tournament to run, there's a live audience both in person and online so the show needs to get moving. They don't have the time to sit down and have lengthy discussion on what to do about this. Giving him a free pass opens the door for other people in the same tournament to abuse it. Hard putting their foot down ensures that this doesn't happen again going forward for the rest of the event. Afterwards when they have time they can review the situation and adjust as needed. I'm not saying it's the players fault not knowing the hardware worked differently, I'm just saying the TO made the right call in that moment for the sake of the event.
i remember watching this short a few months ago but after thinking about this again, i kinda understand and started to agree with the decision
I think replaying the match would have been more fair. It wasn't his fault the technology isn't standardized between regions. He was accustomed to this feature working the way her intended. It was the tournament organizers responsibility to consider this possibility and advise him ahead of time if this was an issue. They have no excuse for not considering that this might happen.
Unfortunately you can't replay the game state. It sucks, and probably not his fault, but it was the right call from the judge's perspective. Unfortunate things can happen in any competitive situation. You kind of just need to learn to accept the outcome and try not to repeat the situation that caused. Honestly, if I was the opponent, I would have conceded the win but it is a competition so don't blame the guy for taking any advantage he can get.
The rule is clear, cause a dc get a loss it's that simple
@@Njore. I understand the rule, I just disagree with it. It's a bad rule.
The rule exists to prevent abuse from the participants and, albeit this is not the case, it could set up a dangerous precedent for following tournaments.
And, as someone who has participated in many tournaments, not only in video-games but other disciplines as well, you should ALWAYS be aware of what this particular event's rules and set-ups are. Not saying it's the guy's fault, but the call from the judges is still appropriate.
@@andreescalona8902 Just because this one situation with extra nuance makes the decision different doesn't mean that decision has to be standardized across every single other instance regardless of context. That is an insanely black and white way to look at things. If someone intentionally disconnects to forcibly end a match, that should be there loss. But if someone had absolutely no idea that what they were about to do would disconnect the match, then it should just be a null point. Same thing if it was completely out of control for both parties.
I think that player must be kicking themselves to this day thinking about it
They made the right call but it's so sad that he got that far and lost just because he wasn't familiar with the switches in this country
They made the right call. The player broke the rules, even if it was an accident.
I straight up stopped watching the tournament after this match. I know what the rules say, but Tatsuya got robbed. I was tired of seeing the same four teams over an over so I was just done when Golisopod was eliminated.
Depends where the tournament was played. If in Japan, correct decision.
If played outside of Japan, he should've been properly informed about this mechanic of the Switch and the game should've been replayed. As he was in SUCH a favourable position, replaying the game is still a huge setback and the player who accidentally DC'd will pay his penance by going back to square one for that specific game when he was about to win.
Giving him a loss if, as you say, he genuinely didn't know the DC was going to happen, because it literally wouldn't have done on a Japanese Switch, I personally think that's ridiculous and should warrant a rule change to prevent anything like this from happening again.
Judge’s call is bullshit. Docked mode shouldn’t cause a LAN failure. This means Game Freak’s terrible and outdated code cost someone lots and lots of potential winnings. Sickening.
It wasn't Game Freak, it was the design of the Switch
Reminds me of when I lost a Zombies tournament because my controller batteries died and it caused an instant pause, disqualifying me because pausing wasn't allowed
I was so sad. Rules are rules but still I was rooting for him so bad…
It would have been better for the game to just have been null point. It doesn't need to go to one person or the other. They can just play a new match and ignore that one since it was interrupted unfairly.
@@ethanadams8109 I agrée
According to the player's own Twitter, this isn't exactly what happened. They weren't using standard docks, they were using third party stands which had charging and LAN connections, but the players were still playing on their Switch screens. He was using a Switch Lite and the built in controllers, where most players were using separate controllers. He says he knew it was a wired connection and he wasn't trying to pick it up, but he must have moved it enough to lose the connection with the stand.
This was also the second time it happened, it happened earlier in the tournament and they just voided the game and replaced the stand. But when it happened again on a stand that had been used many times without issue it's assumed the issue was with his Switch.
He also agreed with the judges' decision.
Even though it's a rough call and I have to agree with the judges I would say that from this point on they should have the setup made so players can't tamper with the dock during the match at all. Put the docks out of arms reach during a match from now on.
With how little turns we’re left they probably could’ve calculated the other guy’s odds of winning and just rolled the dice
Since he didn't know about it before hand, it's a harsh call
Ignorance isn't a defense, he didn't know bc he didn't care to investigate
Ignorantia juris non excusat.
@@An0nymous_L0gic i agree with the call but I can't blame him for not knowing something like that
He is to blame. Also, who the f would tinker with a console you're playing a world championship game on?
Everybody in this comment thread saying it's his fault and ignorance is no excuse all need their heads examined. He's used to a game console behaving a certain way in his country, and he has no reason whatsoever to suspect that the exact same console would behave differently in a different country or region. Just like most non-Japanese switch owners wouldn't know that being able to remove it from the dock without disconnecting is even a thing that is possible. The consoles should have been designed to behave the exact same way in all regions. There is literally no reason why a Japanese Switch can be safely undocked but a non-Japanese Switch that's identical in every other way cannot. He's never played on a non-Japanese Switch before so he had no way to know, and no reason to believe it should or would behave differently. The judges should have told him beforehand, knowing that he's a Japanese player using a non-native console, or they should've been understanding and let it slide. Maybe let them rematch or something. It wasn't an intentional disconnect, and "ignorance of the law" doesn't apply in this case.
Was it mentioned in a rules document or somewhere else that lifting a switch could cause a disconnect? Could Tatsuya have been aware? Either way, it's incredibly heartbreaking to lose a match like this, and I think I also can agree with the judge's call.
99.9999% sure he either wasn't aware of that or he completely forgot about it. In official tournaments, especially WORLDS, you litterally never want to cause a disconnect, even if you're losing, because the stakes are too high and the rules are very harsh with disconnects.
Fighting game controllers have the start / select button usually placed on the back instead of on the face so you don't accidentally press them.
I remember someone get DQ'd because they accidentally pressed start mid-combo in a match they where likely to win.
If he is allowed to do that normally, it seems unfair, but justified.
I would personally find a way to perfectly recreate the scenario
Man just the thought of
"Oh, sorry, I'm not used to this happening"
"That's OK, it happens to everyone some day"
"So I won't be punished?"
"Oh, no, you absolutely will."
I think the 'right call' would to be have automatic save states and a special mode for tournements with the random seed preserved
I’m not superstitious but changing something like that while you’re winning is bad luck, even if it didn’t dc him
“I’m not superstitious but let me tell you about my superstition”
I mean, I given him the benefit of the doubt that he didn't know, but rules are rules
Uh oh accidental video not short 😮
This reminds me of how in Super Smash Bros you lose a game if you pause it. The only exception to this is if you have insane timing and pause right when you land the final kill move on the last Frame before the attack comes out. It's a way to assert dominance.
"its not rigged the tournament isnt rigged"
The tournament:
What method was used for connection during the World Championships in 2022? If both consoles were connected by Ethernet or LAN, it might explain why the disconnect occured.
Cases like this are why you bend the rules sometimes. It's clear he didn't know that would happen, so it was a bad call. Even his opponent would agree that he should've been given a victory there.
How do you now what his opponent feels?
It's one of those cases where there's no good decision. Sucks for the Golisopod guy, I was rooting for him, but I mean it was him who caused the disconnect
Context matters and there was a plausible reason why he would not know that would happen. He should've been given his clear win or at the very least have it ruled a restart.
The game wasn't over. A double crit could have ensured the other player won. Ending the game prematurely made him deserve the L.
He knew he was going to play on regional hardware well before hand. He should have read the rules and gotten familiar with the devices.
If you disconnect, the match should reset
Seems like a skill issue
Really what will Tatsuya have said to his friends after he came back from the tournament? "Sorry guys, its my fault I only wanted to be more comfortable..."
It’s in the rules, even if he lifted the switch out by mistake it is a clear instance of rule breaking.
I mean if youre used to it its hard to break out of habit
If its not possible to make the switches not disconnect when taken out of dock, they need to lock the switches away during matches.
I hate that “the rules are rules no matter what” mentality, just because something goes along with the rules doesn’t mean it’s the right thing. Some logical thinking should also go into things like this instead of immediately thinking “well it’s against the rules so fuck him.” It’s not like he was actually losing 6-0, he was the clear winner.
Imagine doing a run in a game and the challenge is to not attack using your main weapon and the person accidentally uses their weapon on nothing or on something that barely took damage from it, why the hell should he have to restart the run because of that one accidental screw up? Dude didn’t solo the final boss with the main weapon.
@@arsenex4183 the thing is that Pokémon has more to it then that. There were many outcomes that could have came from the match and to say Tatsuya was 100% affirmed to win is a bit wrong. Although this ruling could set a wrong precedent and people who could exploit the ruling could use it as stated in the video to gain a lead and then disconnect “accidentally” to avoid any chance of them losing.
Judges got it right but they should have japan docks in worlds if they are objectively better
I feel for the guy, but the problem is precedent, so I get the ruling. If we allow one person to do this, we invite another to do it down the line. At the end of the day, a direct rematch is unfair when you’ve seen how most the battle plays out. I do think if they were to review these things, this case COULD be an exception as he was winning and this wasn’t bad sportsmanship from losing or not knowing the rules, but rather a difference in hardware. Nothing to do with the game or responsibilities of the player. That said, as harsh as it sounds, this is a lesson learned. Not one we’d realistically expect to have been learned prior, but it’s a better to teach a frustrating lesson and deter it from happening again, than to ask Nintendo to change the development of hardware specs because a guy from Japan lost in a Pokémon tournament from differences in hardware provided to other countries and we don’t want a precedent to be set.
The docks are the same across regions. The difference might just be that some places use wired LAN, and other places use wireless LAN. If wired LAN is used, then lifting the switch off the dock would cause a disconnect.
I situation occurs in kill races in warzone. If a team is winning, they can kill themselves to end the game, receiving a win for "having more kills when the match ends". The reason why I bring this up is, if a player is leading, they can immediately pull the plug, not allowing the game to finish.
I think this says more about Nintendo's dinosaur design choices that don't allow a reconnect feature in the incident of a disconnect.
Guillermo Kasty Diaz, the person who got second place at worlds, talked a bit about the controversy on Twitter. He mentioned that he faces Tatsuya in round 7 of swiss, where Tatsuya managed to disconnect three times. I'm confused, though. Since games are best two out of three, shouldn't the maximum number of disconnects be two? Did they just restart the game since the disconnects happened before any actions were made?
Do they use their own switches? This is really weird. If they use their own maybe his input is busted/sensitive to disconnect
@@Everetses They do bring their own consoles. I think you are right that he had a loose connection. 4 known disconnects in a single tournament is really high.
It's crazy to me that they don't just design a basic game for Tournaments and stuff, one that they could change values in more easily to revert the game state when stuff like this happens.
Why doesn't the game just reconnect after putting the Switch back in the dock? And why does it disconnect in the first place? My internet sometimes disconnects for a few seconds. In a turn based game, a short disconnect shouldn't be a problem.
Bruh nintendo moment
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I think it was an accident and a glitch in the system caused the disconnect, you said yourself that docks in Japan are designed to not disconnect when undocking the switch
Unfortunately it was the only call the judge could make until game freak implements the ability to restore game states to their exact conditions upon disconnect.
This reminds me of when I saw someone WIN a fight and then disconnect.... not about to win, they actually won.
This reminds me of a battle I had not that long ago in a Pokemon group on Facebook the owner actually did that against me and not only did he claim the win but was proud of it as well
Damn that sucks. Nothing the judges could do there though.
It was the right call. Onus is on the player to understand and know the rules for every tournament.
I didn't know lifting the switch would do that.
The game wasn't over. There was still a tiny chance the other player could have won. The people are saying to give a guy who ended the game prematurely the win are delusional.
On a sidenote, he knew he was going to be playing on regional hardware. Therefore, he should have gotten familiar with it before hand.
it is the responsibility of the players to acquaint themselves with the rules. all the rules. precisely to avoid this particular scenario.
The only way to kick golisopod out of the tournament, a huge and disastrous incident
Wait if I undock my switch it’ll disconnect from a match? That seems like an odd design choice, almost like a bug they couldn’t fix so it became a “feature”