Superbly written. But can you compare the musical value of the first to this one??? Then no both are very well rated. But Tchaikovsky himself is underrated then.
@@marckaram123 I think this one is much better than the first concerto. The First is rightfully iconic, but it's not nearly as consistently captivating as this one IMO. And the second movement in this concerto is one of Tchaikovsky's most remarkable pieces.
@@FreakieFan there's a difference between understanding a piece and being captivated by it and that's the case of the first piano concerto. When you understand the piece, mostly of all the theme that doesn't repeat, you become elevated cognitively as a person, but the captivating factor is still there the because it's a human thing. Isn't it the same idea with many others? Take Verdi's La forza del destino overture. You'd say what beautiful music. But talking about it in a philosophical way doesn't mean it's not captivating for the ears. Now this concerto I find is more à la française kind of music. I like to compare it to other pieces like Bach overture à la française for clavicembalo. Kind of the same repetition patterns. This sounds more like a joke lololzzz
@@marckaram123 The only reason the second concert is underrated is because is extremely hard to play and you need to be extremely talented to play it. If one wanted to make a comparison between the first and the second concert, the only thing than can be added to the second is that even the best pianists cannot play it.
I'm so glad someone finally made a score video for this piece, shamefully underperformed if you ask me. The first movement is so cinematic and expansive, the second movement needs no description, and the finale is almost a rock concert!
1st movement 0:07 [orchestral introduction] 1:04 [interplay between piano and orchestra] / 1:28 [piano solo I] 2:14 [theme 2] 4:21 [agitated and urgent] 5:37 [theme 3] 6:55 8:29 8:58 [quasi cadenza] 10:30 [piano solo III] 11:50 [cadenza] 2nd movement 19:54
so so much better than the first in my opinion. captivates me so much more… unlike the first where the first few bars have my complete interest then i lose interest quickly. not saying it’s poor by any means… it’s genius and i’m sure it will be even more astonishing if i were to study it in detail. but this seems so much more fulfilling to me. Although i guess why this is performed less than the first is because it’s less accessible and the first is better known.
I agree with another comment here, that Tschaikovsky PC2 is way more interesting than the 1st. I'm not a great advocate of pieces of music being cut, to make it more convenient for the audience to listen to. I love that second movement. And the most complete version of it should be played IMO. Btw this is certainly a brisk rendition of the work (compared to my recording). Thanks for uploading...
*Часть I* Сонатная форма Главная партия - 0:06 Побочная партия - 2:12 Заключительная партия - 4:20 Разработка - 5:37 Реприза, Главная партия - 15:38 Реприза, Побочная партия - 16:22 Реприза, Заключительная партия - 17:36 Кода - 18:53 *Часть II* Сложная трехчастная форма Первая часть А - 19:54 Разработка - 26:13 Реприза А - 28:50 Кода - 32:32 *Часть III* Свободная форма АВСAB1C1К Часть А - 34:21 Часть В - 35:11 Часть С - 35:48 Реприза А(1) - 37:19 Реприза В1 - 38:26 Реприза С1 - 39:01 Кода - 40:16
There are some diabolically difficult passages in this work (that prestissimo section in the first movement...jeezus). Not hard to see why pianists shy away from this. It requires a super-virtuoso like Pletnev.
You are in the key of the problem. The second concert is only for extremely talented pianist like Igor Zhukov ( to me the best second Tchaikovsky concert )
Under-appreciated concerto. I prefer it over the 1st. I never really warmed to the 1st concerto. The opening chords are fantastic, but the rest of it is just ok. But as far as Tchaikovsky concerti go, the violin concerto is the real masterpiece.
I agree, his second is a real concerto, both in form and in musicality. My main gripe with the first is the disappearance of the opening theme of the first movement. It's never expanded on whatsoever throughout the whole concerto. Other critics have expressed this same opinion, which is unfortunate. Obviously it's still a good piece in the literature, but it's perceived worth is far too great.
I believe the 2nd piano concerto is superior in some ways, that 2nd movement is definitely a masterpiece on its own. Overall though, I just can’t help but love the 1st concerto with my entire being. Tchaikovsky’s heart is on his sleeve for a lot of his music and it’s just so life-affirming, beautiful, and human. And yes, I do understand the criticisms, but from beginning to end the 1st just makes me unexplainably happy. That said, Tchaikovsky’s violin concerto is my favorite piece of music ever written. Bury me with a copy of the score so it’s with me for eternity!
Bravi, for posting this masterpiece! Apart from the big 1st part & its long cadenzas, this concerto has another peculiarity: its 2nd part,"andante non troppo" is a brilliant lyric dialogue between the piano,concertino violin, the principal cello & the orchestra. Although the composer had strictly prohibited not to cut even a single note, posthumously,(1897), his pupil & soloist Alex. Siloti had arranged a shorter,less demanding version, considering that, the 2nd p.c would be more "attractive". The editor was Jurgenson. The most charming is that this part is a little "conundrum": it was based on the famous tune of Bach/Gounod's "Ave Maria". The 3rd part, allegro con fuoco, is a pure "joie de vivre".
Incluso en este video hay un pequeño corte al final del segundo movimiento (la sección de acordes repetidos alternando entre la cuerda y los instrumentos de viento). Curiosamente estos compases aparecen en la partitura en el video pero no aparecen en el audio. El corte en la versión de Siloti es mucho más grande aunque incluye también el pequeño corte que aparece en la interpretación del video.
Stunnningly beautiful concerto. I'm wondering though if it is just a funny coincidence that both Brahms and Tchaikowsky wrote their second piano concertos around the same time and both included extensive use of string soloists in the slow movements.
Este concierto es menos conocido porque aun siendo un magnifico pianista no todos se atreven a tocarlo. Es extremadamente difícil y le tienen miedo. El primer movimiento te deja sin aliento.Me extraña Martha Argerich no lo toque, y tampoco Zimmerman. No porque no lo puedan tocar ampliamente pero no lo tienen en sus repertorios.Solo lo he escuchado dignamente tocado por Pletnev y por obviamente el mejor de todos sin duda alguna Igor Zhukov.
Comment expliquer que ce magnifique concerto, subtil, éblouissant et profond ait été si négligé ? Je suppose qu'on n'a jamais poussé la curiosité après le choc du premier qui demeure l'un des plus estimés.
It's always been a mystery to me why Van Cliburn apparently never even made an attempt at this gem. Maybe he was satisfied being the "owner" of the 1st for his entire career, but one can't help wonder what he might have done with the 2nd, especially with Kondrashin wielding the baton again. ( made it MUCH more popular than it is, that's for certain )
Van Cliburn mostly just played standard repertoire! The MAIN exception would be Edward MacDowell’s second piano concerto, which he learnt at a young age. There is actually a recording of Cliburn playing that concerto two years after the Tchaikovsky Competition, with Chicago Symphony and Walter Hendl conducting. It was a legendary recording for two reasons - One, the musical rhetoric of MacDowell perfectly suited Cliburn - and Two, he revived the work and kept it in the repertoire for 55 extra years. (André Watts and Earl Wild recorded it shortly after Cliburn’s 1960 recording.) As for the Tchaikovsky second piano concerto, its very possible he would’ve learnt it, if he had a closer relationship w/ the work. The reason he had a relationship with MacDowell’s work was because his mother used to play it.
Capolavoro concertistico paragonabile al primo,se non superiore ,soprattutto il grandioso e memorabile primo movimento. Peccato per le interferenze di Soliti che lo hanno un po' condizionato .Questa registrazione con Pletnev è ineccepibile , però personalmente preferisco la versione originale, senza alcun taglio. Una registrazione con Donhoe propone questa versione.
I was lucky to attend a live performance of this concerto yesterday and the second movement is just amazing. Thank you for uploading this. Can I have a copy of the sheet music you used for this by any chance?
The second concerto's finale is not without interest but this 1st movement is forgettable . I can't believe shura Cherkassky and now even Yuja Wang whose memories defies description has bothered with this . It wont become a staple. Milhaud or Bolocolm or Roger Sessions or the doavens if not hundreds of concerti written since . The 3rd minute is better than the opening then the bravura 4th minute just gets cheap and unimaginative again . Was this a commision ? Why did he bother even piublishing it .Arensky so many otheres did this better .Skryabin 's concerto is pretty awful . Richter took time and he more than once played the Dvorak ?
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Very underrated concerto.
Super super super super underrated, same as his 3rd Piano Concerto, soooo soo sooo underrated
Superbly written. But can you compare the musical value of the first to this one??? Then no both are very well rated. But Tchaikovsky himself is underrated then.
@@marckaram123
I think this one is much better than the first concerto. The First is rightfully iconic, but it's not nearly as consistently captivating as this one IMO. And the second movement in this concerto is one of Tchaikovsky's most remarkable pieces.
@@FreakieFan there's a difference between understanding a piece and being captivated by it and that's the case of the first piano concerto. When you understand the piece, mostly of all the theme that doesn't repeat, you become elevated cognitively as a person, but the captivating factor is still there the because it's a human thing. Isn't it the same idea with many others? Take Verdi's La forza del destino overture. You'd say what beautiful music. But talking about it in a philosophical way doesn't mean it's not captivating for the ears.
Now this concerto I find is more à la française kind of music. I like to compare it to other pieces like Bach overture à la française for clavicembalo. Kind of the same repetition patterns. This sounds more like a joke lololzzz
@@marckaram123 The only reason the second concert is underrated is because is extremely hard to play and you need to be extremely talented to play it. If one wanted to make a comparison between the first and the second concert, the only thing than can be added to the second is that even the best pianists cannot play it.
15:39 This is like tears. Tears of joy!
the second movement is my favorite piano trio
The 2nd movement is a masterpiece. Amongst the top 10 greatest Tchaikovsky pieces as far as I'm concerned.
I think this second movement is one of the most interesting part in other piano concertos.
I'm so glad someone finally made a score video for this piece, shamefully underperformed if you ask me. The first movement is so cinematic and expansive, the second movement needs no description, and the finale is almost a rock concert!
The first movement is pure bliss. I love it
1st movement
0:07 [orchestral introduction]
1:04 [interplay between piano and orchestra] / 1:28 [piano solo I]
2:14 [theme 2]
4:21 [agitated and urgent]
5:37 [theme 3]
6:55
8:29
8:58 [quasi cadenza]
10:30 [piano solo III]
11:50 [cadenza]
2nd movement
19:54
I just saw this yesterday as a accompaniment to Dvorak's new world symphony in concert. It was awesome
Wow, somebody played this in a concert ? That does not happen too often. Who was the pianist ?
@@ChrisBreemer Alexandre Kantorow
26:56 such a beautiful moment
So Tchaikovskian... So i love it so
Absolutely. It’s haunting ♥️
so so much better than the first in my opinion. captivates me so much more… unlike the first where the first few bars have my complete interest then i lose interest quickly. not saying it’s poor by any means… it’s genius and i’m sure it will be even more astonishing if i were to study it in detail. but this seems so much more fulfilling to me. Although i guess why this is performed less than the first is because it’s less accessible and the first is better known.
Agree
And what about the third concert?
I agree with another comment here, that Tschaikovsky PC2 is way more interesting than the 1st.
I'm not a great advocate of pieces of music being cut, to make it more convenient for the audience to listen to. I love that second movement. And the most complete version of it should be played IMO.
Btw this is certainly a brisk rendition of the work (compared to my recording).
Thanks for uploading...
*Часть I*
Сонатная форма
Главная партия - 0:06
Побочная партия - 2:12
Заключительная партия - 4:20
Разработка - 5:37
Реприза, Главная партия - 15:38
Реприза, Побочная партия - 16:22
Реприза, Заключительная партия - 17:36
Кода - 18:53
*Часть II*
Сложная трехчастная форма
Первая часть А - 19:54
Разработка - 26:13
Реприза А - 28:50
Кода - 32:32
*Часть III*
Свободная форма АВСAB1C1К
Часть А - 34:21
Часть В - 35:11
Часть С - 35:48
Реприза А(1) - 37:19
Реприза В1 - 38:26
Реприза С1 - 39:01
Кода - 40:16
Спасибо огромное!!! Очень спасают такие анализы
There are some diabolically difficult passages in this work (that prestissimo section in the first movement...jeezus). Not hard to see why pianists shy away from this. It requires a super-virtuoso like Pletnev.
You are in the key of the problem. The second concert is only for extremely talented pianist like Igor Zhukov ( to me the best second Tchaikovsky concert )
@@ritabustamante8447 -- Yes.....Zhukov AND Pletnev RUUUUUUUULE for the Second Concerto.....BRAVO from Mexico City!
It’s an underrated concerto, I would say as good as the first piano concerto because of the sublime second movement.
Hermosísimo. Maravilloso, que variedad y riqueza melódica.
Under-appreciated concerto. I prefer it over the 1st. I never really warmed to the 1st concerto. The opening chords are fantastic, but the rest of it is just ok. But as far as Tchaikovsky concerti go, the violin concerto is the real masterpiece.
But the first is fun to play, not for nothing a favorite for pianists, much more accessible and technically not as demanding.
Bartje Bartmans very true. This concerto is more for super virtuosos like Pletnev or Hamelin.
I agree, his second is a real concerto, both in form and in musicality. My main gripe with the first is the disappearance of the opening theme of the first movement. It's never expanded on whatsoever throughout the whole concerto. Other critics have expressed this same opinion, which is unfortunate. Obviously it's still a good piece in the literature, but it's perceived worth is far too great.
I believe the 2nd piano concerto is superior in some ways, that 2nd movement is definitely a masterpiece on its own. Overall though, I just can’t help but love the 1st concerto with my entire being. Tchaikovsky’s heart is on his sleeve for a lot of his music and it’s just so life-affirming, beautiful, and human. And yes, I do understand the criticisms, but from beginning to end the 1st just makes me unexplainably happy. That said, Tchaikovsky’s violin concerto is my favorite piece of music ever written. Bury me with a copy of the score so it’s with me for eternity!
@@bartjebartmans Agree with you. Only extremely talented pianists can play the second concert. That’s why is underrated.
Mikhail Pletnev, piano and the Philharmonia Orchestra conducted by Vladimir Fedoseyev (1991)
I love this one
The first 17 minutes are glorious
Bravo is too insignificant a word for this magnificent performance by Mr. Pletnev and PHO. Wow!
This is a wonderful work, brillantly played. It is more difficult than any Rachmaninov concerto - therefore it remains a rarity in the concert halls.
Bravi, for posting this masterpiece!
Apart from the big 1st part & its long cadenzas, this concerto has another peculiarity: its 2nd part,"andante non troppo" is a brilliant lyric dialogue between the piano,concertino violin, the principal cello & the orchestra. Although the composer had strictly prohibited not to cut even a single note, posthumously,(1897), his pupil & soloist Alex. Siloti had arranged a shorter,less demanding version, considering that, the 2nd p.c would be more "attractive". The editor was Jurgenson.
The most charming is that this part is a little "conundrum": it was based on the famous tune of Bach/Gounod's "Ave Maria". The 3rd part, allegro con fuoco, is a pure "joie de vivre".
Incluso en este video hay un pequeño corte al final del segundo movimiento (la sección de acordes repetidos alternando entre la cuerda y los instrumentos de viento). Curiosamente estos compases aparecen en la partitura en el video pero no aparecen en el audio. El corte en la versión de Siloti es mucho más grande aunque incluye también el pequeño corte que aparece en la interpretación del video.
@@manueljoseblancamolinos8582 ¡De verdad 100%!
Stunnningly beautiful concerto. I'm wondering though if it is just a funny coincidence that both Brahms and Tchaikowsky wrote their second piano concertos around the same time and both included extensive use of string soloists in the slow movements.
Thank you so much for uploading this!
I love Tchaikovsky music.. also the piano concerto.. I always listening it. So beautiful and relaxing..
Aún no logro entender por qué esta obra no es tan conocida. ¡Es magnífica!
Estaba pensando que probablemente debido a la muerte de Rubinstein. Si hubiera vivido para interpretar esto, quizá fuera más conocido.
Este concierto es menos conocido porque aun siendo un magnifico pianista no todos se atreven a tocarlo. Es extremadamente difícil y le tienen miedo. El primer movimiento te deja sin aliento.Me extraña Martha Argerich no lo toque, y tampoco Zimmerman. No porque no lo puedan tocar ampliamente pero no lo tienen en sus repertorios.Solo lo he escuchado dignamente tocado por Pletnev y por obviamente el mejor de todos sin duda alguna Igor Zhukov.
Comment expliquer que ce magnifique concerto, subtil, éblouissant et profond ait été si négligé ? Je suppose qu'on n'a jamais poussé la curiosité après le choc du premier qui demeure l'un des plus estimés.
チャイコフスキーが 妹夫婦の住むウクライナの
カーミアンの土地がとても気に入り、毎年訪れては
多くの作曲をして、この曲もその一つで ウクライナの土地でチャイコフスキーがどんな思いで作曲したのかと想像をしながら聴くとチャイコフスキーの才能はもちろん、ウクライナの地には創作意欲を掻き立てるインスピレーションがあったんだなと思い浸れる。
Fantastic performance by Pletnev. And I agree - should be played unabridged.
very triumphant in the beginning
13:40 gave me chills
The best of the three
I think i m agree
Sublime!!💝 Quel dommage que je ne sache pas lire une partition.
8:32 sounds much like the opening to the 2nd movement of Schumanns fantasie in c major
Thanks for uploading!
It's always been a mystery to me why Van Cliburn apparently never even made an attempt at this gem. Maybe he was satisfied being the "owner" of the 1st for his entire career, but one can't help wonder what he might have done with the 2nd, especially with Kondrashin wielding the baton again. ( made it MUCH more popular than it is, that's for certain )
Van Cliburn mostly just played standard repertoire! The MAIN exception would be Edward MacDowell’s second piano concerto, which he learnt at a young age.
There is actually a recording of Cliburn playing that concerto two years after the Tchaikovsky Competition, with Chicago Symphony and Walter Hendl conducting.
It was a legendary recording for two reasons - One, the musical rhetoric of MacDowell perfectly suited Cliburn - and Two, he revived the work and kept it in the repertoire for 55 extra years. (André Watts and Earl Wild recorded it shortly after Cliburn’s 1960 recording.)
As for the Tchaikovsky second piano concerto, its very possible he would’ve learnt it, if he had a closer relationship w/ the work. The reason he had a relationship with MacDowell’s work was because his mother used to play it.
@@farazhaiderpiano Thank you for that thoughtful analysis. One can't help but wish he'd given it his attention and made it iconic along with the 1st.
Capolavoro concertistico paragonabile al primo,se non superiore ,soprattutto il grandioso e memorabile primo movimento.
Peccato per le interferenze di Soliti che lo hanno un po' condizionato .Questa registrazione con Pletnev è ineccepibile , però personalmente preferisco la versione originale, senza alcun taglio. Una registrazione con Donhoe propone questa versione.
8:32 best part
Cool but not best... It is impossible for me to pick one or two best parts of this perfect piece
@@kerencanelo8580 I cannot say which part is better. I love it from de begging to the end.
Pletnev❤ Bravo
why are great pianists so much better than me?
I am asking the same question?
14:06 Rachmaninoff Essence... 🤣
He plays the urtext version here but he plays the Siloti version in his live performance. I'm not sure which one is harder though
I was lucky to attend a live performance of this concerto yesterday and the second movement is just amazing. Thank you for uploading this. Can I have a copy of the sheet music you used for this by any chance?
You can find all sheet music on IMSLP.
Thanks! I'll look into it.
8:25
Cadenza is kinda like Rach 3, maybe Rach was influenced?
Rachmaninoff has obviously been inspired by Tchaikovsky.
Rach 3 inspiration
This is not the original version 😢. The original version is 50 minutes at least .😮
8:27 the octaves
5:28
New video???
Cositas que den sueño.
1:52 Rachmaninoff vibes
May I ask who is performing here?
Click on the tab "show more" and you will see the info.
I prefer cpc
What is cpc
@@dacoconutnut9503 Chopin Piano Concertos
@@dacoconutnut9503 I prefer ppc
The second concerto's finale is not without interest but this 1st movement is forgettable . I can't believe shura Cherkassky and now even Yuja Wang whose memories defies description has bothered with this . It wont become a staple. Milhaud or Bolocolm or Roger Sessions or the doavens if not hundreds of concerti written since . The 3rd minute is better than the opening then the bravura 4th minute just gets cheap and unimaginative again . Was this a commision ? Why did he bother even piublishing it .Arensky so many otheres did this better .Skryabin 's concerto is pretty awful . Richter took time and he more than once played the Dvorak ?
12:19 This reminds me of the rach 3 cadenza