Saint-Saëns - Piano Concerto No. 2, Op. 22 (with score, HD)
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- Conductor: Neeme Järvi
Pianist: Grigory Sokolov
I. Andante sostenuto 0:04
II. Allegro scherzando 11:44
III. Presto 17:44
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The opening sounds like if Bach was a romantic composer.
I thought the same thing. But then he switches to sounding like Rachmaninoff.
PointyTailofSatan yes, or Liszt since I think he was the source of inspiration at that period
a derogatory critique at the time described the concerto "starts like Bach and finishes like Offenbach". True, and that's what makes it so much fun.
HOW FUNNY! I thought EXACTLY the same thing as I was taking a shower listening to this.....“Wow! Sounds like Bach being romantic!”
Have you heard Bach's 6th Keyboard Partita? It's pretty similar...ish.
Ok, Saint-Saëns REALLY loved rapid arpeggios and rapid octaves.
1:15 what falls faster, a man or his shares?
The haters have to deal with the fact that Ravel liked this concerto. When asked which piece he recommended for studying orchestration, Ravel indicated this. I think of the naysayers complaining that this is an easy concerto as unmusical virtuosity lovers. Difficulty lovers! What would they say about Mozart or Haydn concertos then? Saint-Saëns did it exactly right, it’s practical to play fast, meaning it’s pianistic. In short, there’s no accounting for the taste and opinions of certain people... And those saying Saint-Saëns lacks a personality just haven’t realized he is the *elegant* one. This concerto is not revolutionary but all it wants to be is musical, expressive, elegant, enjoyable and correct, and it manages that much.
Well-orchestrated does not mean musically tasteful. A few bars in and I can see plenty of cliches with no flow. The opening bars are drawn out. Theme is repetitive and the 'intense' sections say too little with too many notes. Then, when he decides to start variations or developments, it's almost purely virtuosic passages lacking thematic meat. There is too much piano, so that when the orchestra actually responds musically, it is more of a surprise than a reinforcement. Clear continuity is crucial to maintain the listener's interest over such a long period of time.
Yes, I do not mean to condemn Saint-Saëns with this review. He is still a prolific composer to be feared and respected for his contributions to so many different repertoires.
Critics were used to say that this concerto begins with Bach and ends with Offenbach...
@@ninjaassassin27 Where can we listen to some of your concertos?
@@ImvN8Lex I have written no concerti. Are you implying that the only valid means of criticism and taste is to have achieved equally to whomever you criticise? If so, you are missing the entire point of being a musician or listening to/appreciating music.
This concerto is hidden gem of the piano concerto repertoire, its a shame it dosent get done more often.
I agree!
Yes , I agree also !
This concerto is a not hidden at all gem. It's one of the most often performed and recorded work in all piano concerto repertoire.
So true!
@@JoelLeBras But anymore.
1:11-1:25 POV you’re a German stock holder on Black Monday
I. Andante sostenuto: 0:00
II. Allegro scherzando: 11:44
III. Presto: 17:43
Mr. Sokolov is one hell of a pianist
1:10 "The men stood by the sill, calmly, and waited for their turn to jump." A Tokyo Exchange Secretary.
*THE YASUDA CRISIS*
Saint saens: Ima put all this notes like 9 of them
Also saint saens: “oh dang we only have 5 fingers.... oh well they will figure it out”
You obviously use two hands to play those chords. The left hand jumps up after playing the base notes.
Its actually not a hard concerto by modern standards. Doesnt mean its easy tho.
i personaly have 10, 20 if i count my foot.
@@SZ-wb1qb r/woosh
@@christianvennemann9008 Yeah, idk if that's a woosh. A lot of people are genuinely confused how pianists play 9+ note chords, or when pedal tones are indicated.
I don't think most people realise just how hard this is to play well. It's a masterpiece for people with 18 fingers. Believe me. I've played it to concert level and it nearly killed me
When I was young I used to use my legs to this piece.
Prova a suonare il 2° di Prokofiev o il 3° di Rakhmaninoff. E il 2° di Saint-Saens sembrerà niente a confronto!
I'm learning it now wish me luck!...
then im curious to hear your description of rach3
good thing i dont have to hear you play
This concerto is absolutely wonderful.
Fachiu
Me during the first 10 second: "I can totally play this! This is my next piece."
Me at any point afterward: "HA Dvorak it is."
squeezemyparticiple. I don't think I could play it. I think one has to be pretty good pianist to play this.
dvorak isn't any easier than this tho
most dvorak is easier than this concerto, just like most saint saens is easier than a dvorak concerto
@@@Populous3Tutorials Give a listen to SS's études. He was on par with Chopin and Liszt, with monstrous technique !
@@MrMeap6 i know his etudes..all i said is concertos are always harder...even if for the fact that its hard and lasts 30+ minutes
This is so different from what I used to hear. It has this sort of fantasy/magical feeling in the 1st mvt. It feels a bit uneasy though because you're hearing the flow of the music so differently from what you are used to.
i totally agree...... it sounded somewhat different (and that is most obvious in the first movement).... do you think it is too slow? and as a result, the results do not gel like??
It kinda reminded me of being in Narnia [read the series if you haven’t, it’s great]
1:10 This is fucking dramatic. This is like something affecting multiple people for a longer time. Like for example the Great Depression of 1929. It affected everyone globally for a long time.
IIRC this exact part is used for a mod of a strategy game called Hearts of Iron 4 called The New Order for the event of the Japanese stock market crash,so it might fit the start of the Great Depression as well
@@markusoliverasagtg9704 Oh? I play HOI4 myself but i never heard of that "The New Order" mod. Might gonna try it out. Thanks
@@markusoliverasagtg9704 It also is used by Kaiserredux
11:38 that black screen is so powerful
Those who think this is Saint-Saens' only "accessible" piano concerto should check out the other four--seriously. They are all gems in their own way.
Absolutely! The 5th Piano Concerto ("Egyptian") is one of my favorite piano concertos, especially because of the Impressionism of the 2nd movement (which is ironic, given that Saint-Saëns was unfortunately a reactionary against the Impressionism of Debussy and Ravel)
Couldn't agree more!
@@christianvennemann9008Concerto no. 5 is one of the best I’ve ever heard. I had a religious experience with it and Cannabis not too long ago LMFAO and that pastoral feel at the end of the first movement…
I love to come to the comments on RUclips just to read people expressing in their own words their reactions and emotions when something this beautiful moves them.
My favourite thing about this concerto is the fact it's so clearly influenced by such a range of composers, it doesn't fall into a single category, but rather sucks in inspiration from all that which came before it
Ah yes Black Monday
explain
Beginning at 10:03, I almost forget to breath, because this passage is so mesmerizing: quiet, elegant , beautiful, so fragile ,introspective, almost tragic.
2:00 - 1 ч. ГП g
3:56 1 ч. пп B
11:44 2ч. гт Es
17:44 3 ч. гт g тарантела (сальтарелла)
Black Monday hits [insert country]
The third movement is a masterpiece
Thank you for doing everything right. Ads in between movements and those effects at the end of passages were cool. Love this.
I like Grigory Sokolov plays Saint-Saëns - Piano Concerto2 so much!Because he is the most passionate! Some pianists are very fine, but not enough.
Then listen Rubinstein!
and Alexander Malofeev!
1:10 TNO yasuda crisis
13:12 Star wars
And this, the first part of the Luke Theme. ruclips.net/video/M5X96Zh2gHY/видео.html
I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed that
Wow, having Sokolov play in this recording is a great treat in itself. I admire his execution of the 2nd movement which shows in certain areas some old fashioned, old school restraint instead of the typical "let's throw all cautions to the wind" bravura playing. I am definitely satisfied with this recording.
Thank you for this, thank you for showing the score (my first time to actually see a copy of this concerto in "print"), and thank you for posting it.
The part at 2:40 is so incredibly beautiful.
1:10 when the Berlin stock exchange crashes
I was about to sleep but then I literally fell in love with the first movement and now i just wanted to listen to this again amd again.
The light effects are dramatic!!
I love how to screen dims with the final chords, I'm gonna watch the entire thing again just for that
You should do film school.
17:41 is the inspiration for Etude for Ghosts from Mother 3
The first movement is beautiful beyond description. The introduction sounds like a Bach Prelude. The main theme sounds like Schumann, and the second theme in B flat sounds like Chopin. Then the octaves following sounds like Liszt. The cadenza again sounds like Schumann. Then the beautiful Bach like motive reappears again, and the end sounds like Schumann again. I also hear some Tchaikovsky at some points. I can really say l this is some of the most beautiful music I have heard in my life.
To me it sounds like Saint Saens. the fuck you need to recognize something else when its not there. Cant you just listen to the man and respect him for HIS work.
The G minor has always been known to be the one that "starts like Bach and ends like Offenbach". It's a prank of course and one Saint-Saens would appreciate since he had an amazing sense of humor. It s a brilliant piece of writing in its own right , very "fin de siecle".
Bach's Chromatic prelude and double fugue for the piano? Similar harmonies, also in minor. Listen to Andre Watt's performance. Superb.
i couldnt have said it any better myself. a perfect analyzis!
Totally agree, it's a rich set of influences, with a multitude of exquisite temperaments. I have just discovered, leaving the common paths
This is such a magnificent piece, that last movement is mesmerising! What a talented chap he was.
I find the first movement extremely cathartic and satisfying to listen to.
22:57, or rehearsal 7 of the third movement is the moment where I lose it. Those V4/2 chords ❤️❤️❤️
Just plain awesome
Wow, the 3rd movement just doesn’t stop moving does it!
ikr!
First movement very Chopin-like in many places. Congratulations to the pianist for a beautiful performance.
Black Monday.
That moment when you're in complete bliss while listening to music and then youtube plays an ad.... Capitalism is ruining music!
Yes. The ads ruin these videos.
without capitalism there's no youtube. think about that. also there's ad-blockers in the market, be a smart consumer
@@SZ-wb1qb Yeah..I'm not complaining about youtube having ads. I'm complaining about the overuse of ads. Thanks for your valueless comment. :P
Lucky Middaugh It’s not an overuse. I hope you actually learn something.
@@SZ-wb1qb I think what I mean is that I don't care about your opinion. :P
Just love Saint Saens' character at 12:57 and 13:12 😊
11:39 when even the editor know what's up.
Seven notes of the Allegro Scherzando remember me the second part of de Luke`s theme in Star Wars. 12:56.
OH MY GID SAINT SWANS COPIED JOHN WILLIAMS HOW CAN YOU DO THIS I HAVE LOST ALL RESPECT FOR YOU MR. SWANS
Saint-Saëns ... wow... what an amazing Piano Concerto you composed!! I never thought you have this kind of stunning ability to compose such a high quality piece of music.
I was the same until I found this. His fourth and fifth concertos are also of the same quality, especially the latter.
@seanfogarty5559 Wow I had no idea he composed THAT many concertos.
The fifth piano concerto is remarkable! Not a single dull bar in that one. ❤
The best version of this concert!
Grande Sokolov!!!👍👍
1:11 Economic Wars
a man of culture I see
Like, what, that coda is one of the best and hardest codas out there. It's incredibly beautiful
1st movement coda or 3rd movement?
@@DemirSezer for me the third, but first is also good
@@jorgefraile218 I agree that the coda of the 3rd is the best
from 23:57 and so forth
hardest? Really? I can name at least 30 concertos with a harder coda from the top of my head. This one is for sure one of the best though:D
I like how you dim the video at the concluding chords of each movement. Thanks for the upload!
Anyone: how much notes you want to use?
Saint saens: absolutely yes
This would be more accurate with Liszt
@@Dylonely42 or Alkan
Or Mereaux
OR SORABJI
@@wilh3lmmusic Or Xenakis
Like the first light of dawn, this music opens your eyes to new promises and to all the wonders of nature. Evocative of powers beyond observation, these pieces pull the strings of the heart, attract nostalgia and awaken the loves, the skinned lives and torpor of the sleeping watchmen .. Sokolov is magnificent here!
To me, its an awesome piece which inspires nostalgia where vices and virtues clashed in all of our lives.. So sad...
I wholeheartedly agree. Both the orchestra and the soloist are absolutely brilliant, and bring out all the expression needed in this concerto. I think the composer would’ve approved
Wow I was the 500k viewer
I've probably listened to this about 500 times
1:20 and add was placed for me Right here. NOT COOL
RUclips!
21:17 Chopin Op. 44 Polonaise
Out of every concerto i've heard this one is something special
11:08 Proto-Rach 2 OMG
17:48 mother 3
Yep, I came here hoping that someone in the comment section would recognize that passage as Etude for Ghosts
To a concerto, it's really rare to end up with a minor!
I love this piano cocerto.
8:13 ,6:30 😍😍
I love the whole concerto, but the third movement is undoubtedly a tour de force, like trying to escape from a spiderweb before meeting your untimely death.
First movement is beautiful
12:57 such a beautiful theme
Ok
0:00 - 11:43 Andante Sostenuto
11:48 - 17:38 Allegro Scherzando
17:43 - 24:26 Presto
9:33 bro that oboe... that is some microtonal shit tho
If I'm not mistaken, this is Sokolov at the age of 17 😲😲😲
that ending.. so impressive thank you so much!!
Essayez vous-mêmes de jouer ce concerto avant de dire qu'il serait facile! Il ne casse pas de porcelaine, mais il en fait de tellement belle. Comme pianiste, je lui ai adressé un grand Merci. J'espère qu'il m'a entendu Là-Haut.
Этот прекрасный концерт я бы назвала совмещение стилей: в начале баховский орган,тема бетховенского "Эгмонта",тема русских классиков либо Глинки, или Чайковского"Тема Ноктюрна", 2 часть - истинный Сен-Санс.. И наконец, 3 -часть можно смело сказать: сказочная часть, ночь с нечистью, ведьмы собираются, летят на шабаш либо Оберон с эльфами, где в конце явно звучит колокольный набат, когда вся нечисть со скоростью света старается исчезнуть до 5 утра, только не хватает крик петуха...Это Просто Супер!!! Надо же было услышать все эти звуки и воспроизвести в 3-х разных частях, абсолютно не похожих друг на друга..Недаром Сен - Санса привлекали мир загадочный, животный..
Маргарита Юрилова Я Глинку не слушал практически, не скажу, а вот от Чайковского он врядли что-то мог взять, на момент написания этого концерта Чайковский почти ничего еще сам не написал.
Главная тема- чисто- русский стиль,да Глинку очень напоминает..Концерт завораживающий по красоте..
Маргарита Юрилова не знаю что такое чисто русский стиль, его при желании и у Бетховена можно найти, корни все равно уходят в Европу. А, ну еще и с Азии не мало, как ближнего востока, так и дальнего.
Я сейчас играю этот оркестр с нашим школьным оркестром, и я абсолютно с вами согласен
1:10 haha japanese crisis go brr
What an awesome performance; Sokolov manages to make whatever he plays completely his own...and this has to be one of the most brilliantly orchestrated concertos in the entire repertoire...right up there with the Ravel concertos...
Music Man Sokolov was just 16 when he made this recording. At the same time he recorded the Tchaikovsky concerto. He had just won the first prize in the Tchaikovsky Competition 1966.
Très belle œuvre jouée avec une technique remarquable, sensibilité sensibilité sans fadeur. Parfait contrôle des plans sonores. Tout y est . Remarquable en tout point .
Bonjour , que soit remerciée la personne qui a apprécié mon commentaire. Saint-Saens à juste titre joui depuis quelques années une reconnaissance légitime pour son œuvre capitale par ailleurs estimée de Franz Liszt . Pour des raisons illégitimes il était mal considéré à tort. Avec lui , c'est aussi bon nombres de compositeurs exceptionnels rejetés dans l'ombre et que de jeunes et très talentueux pianistes mettent aujourd'hui à l'honneur . Sans vouloir donner de leçons et très humblement exprimé, on sait qu'ils ont été victimes de la gloire de la lumière de compositeurs si connus. Merci à tous ces jeunes pianistes qui nous font découvrir des merveilles inconnues. Exception faite par principe des musicologue.. toutes mes excuses pour se long discours de Theramene. Encore merci.
I love how you end the video!
I like to put my 'brain' into such music, a little. When the written music is provided along with the audio (vice the orchestra and conductor) I like to try to follow the written music along with what I hear, trying to integrate the two into one thing. A minority of the time, I succeed. That's better than nothing, and worth it, to me. It's really hard with Stravinsky's, Rite of Spring. I think it's about impossible with some of Scriabin's music, even for somebody with twice my brain. I believe Scriabin's notation often provided for interpretation or flexibility from what he put on paper, for the pianist to improvise. I think he improvised, too, when he played his own music. So, whoever plays it, what you see on paper ain't always what you hear. I guess the notation allowing that is there, on paper, but I can't begin to know how to tell. But it's fun trying and sometimes I succeed! Then, sometimes, I just drop my brain, such as it is, and just listen only, or just hear only, and ride along. But I think following the writing as I listen is good mental exercise, like running for the body, and promotes alertness and probably improves both. It's better than crossword puzzles or jigsaw puzzles, maybe even better than chess.
Wow I'm a converted classical music lover.
The opening measures of the first movement show the influence of C.P.E. Bach.
One of my favorite concerts ever :)
Magnifique.
USSR Symphony Orchestra, Neeme Järvi - Moscow, 1967
Interesting layout of movements for a concerto, having a scherzo for a second movement.
Nice editing at 11:40
I have had many executions with this concerto, I think this is really among the finest. The pianist really plays with force and expression, and the orchestra is very good.
the concerto is cut twice, in the worst moments, for ads
I personally find 6.30 genius. How the early theme is moved from the piano to the orchestra and piano just being in perfect harmony playing those octaves. Gorgeus Music!
LegionOfGames that's pretty common
TheGreenPianist its still beautiful
6:30
The influence of Litolff is in some of his concertos including this one.
Почему в левой руке с цифры "1" в нотной записи шестнадцатые и 64-ые, когда вместо 64-х должны быть 32-е?
В каком моменте?
@@gigogrom216 2:03
@@Хоровоеслужение И правда, непонятно.
Defendant Bach influence.
Everyone in 1:20 when it's time for Modern History of France in countryballs
Thank you so much!!!
Pardon me, but how in the HELL does one get the piano's action to repeat fast enough to manage the fast-repeated "doubled" intervals (with one hand quickly following the other hand, one overlaying the other), for example the descending intervals mirrored in both hands (thirds, fifths, seconds) at 6:43???
Quick repetition is possible (ask Liszt), but in this case the hands aren't really overlaying, they're in different octaves
I love this concert . Wonderful !!!
Saint-Saëns was so ahead of his time!!
My opinion is that this concerto is beautiful and elegant, but without substance. The good french piano concertos of this time are from Litolff, Lalo and César Franck (Variations symphoniques, Les Djinns).
The third movement sounds like a tarantella ❤
i share the right comment of Christof Joubert, especially amount Bach
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Sounds so much like Ravel... mixed with some Rachmaninoff??
And he uses the lowest sound on piano. Also in the same place second goes to third in sub contra octave. 1:15
this piece of music is very dramatic. as if telling a serious story somehow....