Sorry, no amount of perfectly logical rational can overcome the pure reflex instinct which forces me to immediately pick up every single available item
i dont care if the first chest gives me a desk plant, im taking it as soon as i possibly can so i can go to the barrel next to it for the printer drop. goblins shall rise.
So, to summarize: -scrappers good -wait on pickup up stuff you can reroll to see if you'll be able to reroll it, or if you plan to print so you don't accidentally consume it -wait on opening good multishops to see if you can just use a card -if you gotta print and risk things, dilute your item pool first -grabbing a backup rusted key when you have an encrusted key will allow you to keep the void train rolling -recyclers hinge upon item position, not the item itself
how can you reroll items??? What does waiting to pickup a red even change? If you're going to turn it to scrap, you can do that at any time, so what's the difference? I don't mean this to be rude, I'm genuinely asking! :)
@@T.v.Remote If you get a red item drop that doesn't benefit your build, instead of picking it up right away and scrapping it you should scout the stage for any recyclers, even if you dont get to reroll it you'll scrap it in the end, but if you scrapped it earlier and find a recycler later you'll beat yourself up over being impatient. Hope that answers your question :)
I picked up a lot of these tricks from watching some of the gameplay videos, but this comprehensive guide is massively valuable. Like i definitely learned something from watching this. The equipment positioning tip at the end literally made my jaw drop lol.
This is a great showcase on the macroeconomy in Risk of Rain! I've always wondered exactly how much all of these techniques factor into making a good run. Perhaps one day...
Ever since I started watching your content this was something I picked up on you doing and have baked it into my own runs. This vid explains it far better than I could to my friends. Thanks for this, Race!
You can just use the relic that lets you choose items. Why would you want to manage items and leave it to rng. Y’all play this game in the worst way possible
@shinydmike8490 "Why would you play the game as its meant to be played when you can use cheat codes and play on easy mode?" Managing RNG is part of the game. It's a roguelike. It's more satisfying to overcome bad luck than to always get perfect items and win without any real challenge.
@@AnonYmous-mi1kl - you quoted something i didnt say - the relic is not a cheat, its also part of the game - whats satisfying to you is different than other people - the game can be and is just as challenging with the choice of items -try again
This video actually really helped me up my game so thank you. I was way too focused on rushing through the stages and taking this advice to heart has made my runs waayyy more consistent because I have a better chance of tipping the luck in my favor.
This video is super nice for helping friends understand why I do microitemization. Before they would just be confused on why I leave shops unclaimed and key boxes un touched.
This enlightened me to some mistakes I routinely make that good back runs- and give a good idea of how to alter my strategy. I fully looted a state 4 with two tri shops full of gray greens, and after buying from them I found a credit card and was so mad lol
I had no idea equipment recycling works that way. Very cool guide overall. I have started using scrappers more and trying to make visits to the bazaar more often, but I still need to work on knowing when not to pick up certain items.
Me: "I'll leave this aegis here so I can hopefully recycle it later in the stage" My loot goblin friend: "👀 now who would leave a perfectly good aegis here 👀"
I agree that some lighter work, like looking for a scrapper before printing, is usually worth the wait. But in a game where every second matters, scouring the map for a 4% chance of a recycler only to trudge back to the item you left, and then *back* to the teleporter 96% of the time doesnt seem like a particularly good strategy, especially one that claims to help tip rng in your favor
Time doesn’t matter as much as you think :) I usually play at 10+ minutes a stage and have a 98% winrate with unmodded eclipse 8 (no loops no lunars), I use these strategies to do that
Something I really like doing and works well for me in tandem with these techniques is to set an identity of the build pretty early, and let the rest of the run (also using these techniques) iron out what I'm missing. There's been moments where I have a decent versatile spread of items on stage 1, but that 3d-printer that does one role really well (gasoline as aoe, focus crystals as damage for certain survivors, energy drinks as speed) tends to be the gamesetter for the rest of the run often and I find its often worth the sacrifice to kink out a role that early, just so you have more leeway in beating the RNG later. Depends a bit on what I *actually* get though of course but that's been the general E8 win foundation for me. But that's just a way that I found worked for me. One of the most enjoyable things in this game imo is the nuance of it all. The little things really do make a difference.
0:25 *_[laughs in better command essence to rebalance command instead to just pick from a few things.]_* if they put it in the game and it doesn't invalidate unlocks and achievements then it's legal to me and I'm gonna bloody well use it.
Even as a beginner who barely has a clue what’s going on when it comes to this game basically at all, this did give some good ideas to consider I think. So yeah, good video. Will try to look for more beginner friendly content though but I’ll try to remember to come back to this.
Another reason why this system is so good (which I think hopoo did intentionally) is that fact that this is making people use equipment more, and actually looking for equipment barrels.
I often find that many of these techniques take more time than you realistically have to spare on a 4% chance. For the blunderbust I suggest only doing it on scorched acres as it has equipment multishops, grovetender, and imp overlord. Yes sky meadow does also have equipment multishops, but like you'll get an aloy worship unite if you're lucky and most players don't understand the quality or know how to use soul probes (If only rally point had multishop equipments). Though the recycler one I completely agree with. The rest however are very situational and I would not recommend this video who doesn't fully understand this game, and at that point they already understand most of these. There's no one way to play the game and although I may be a gambler at heart some of these odds are too low even for me, and if you're new to ror2 reading my comment ALWAYS WAIT TO PICK UP GOOD ITEMS AFTER USING A PRINTER, I DON'T CARE HOW MANY BANDOLIERS YOU GOT FROM THAT MOUNTAIN SHRINE, JUST WAIT. Great video btw.
It’s a 4% each, but those aren’t mutually exclusive. And they run together pretty often. If I open the legendary chest on Abyssal Depths and get a useless red, and there’s a multishop somewhere on the stage, all 3 are covered. Now there’s a 12% chance to find an equipment you’re looking for per barrel.
in my case patience isn't really a problem. it's the memory i forgor that i had scrapper and some good printer somewhere on the map and i only remember them once i hit the tele into the next area lol. and standing around to print/scrap before the boss event wasn't the greatest idea due to artillery guys like hermit crabs or mushrooms existing and threatening my economy
Alot of these things seem like they would add lots of time, if there is a multishop on one end of the stage and a potential card on the other, and you are engi with no move speed, wouldn't the extra minutes add up over time? I know rushing is not better than fullooting but I know spending lots of time on a stage can cause scaling issues.
Most likely not unfortunately, most of the topics that are guide worthy have been or are being done in depth. This is one area of strategizing that developed from me and my play style so I felt comfortable making a guide on it, albeit short, I think it hit home on some main points and questions and got the ball rolling for people to start thinking critically about future decision making in their own runs :)
if you find a good printer on a stage: wait til you find a scrapper, scrap all your good items, go to the printer, print the scrap, print all your bad items. This way, you only lose scrap and bad items 👍👍
This is the stuff that makes risk of rain 2 such an interesting game, and what I think separates skilled players from players who struggle with the game. It's not just about running and shooting and getting lucky, but how you locate, obtain, and manage items in the game
I get the "save it now get more later" thing. But things are not this black and white and I'd say half of the times in a usual early run you'd rather use the void key to get an earlier powerspike rather than keeping the key hoping for another one later to get more void items later. Yeah that in theory is a higher power budget than using it right away, but you're potentially stuck in a state where you struggle to kill anything fast enough and by the time you could've gotten a secon key, the time you wasted getting there made the enemies out scale you. While if you use the key right away, you might get a polylute and start killing everything faster, making you gain gold quicker, open chest more frequently and run the clock more efficiently. By the time you find nother key, you could either be dead or already power spiked far enough for it to matter little and anything in between. Oh yeah the time scaling thing could be applied to most of your advices here, the choice is yours to look around the entire stage hoping to tip the odds more in your favor or move on to the next stage already looting more stuff giving your more chances to roll into something desirable. I still like the video for explaining why you do certain things that most people like I never though of doing tho.
I’m another comment here under the video someone had said the same thing and I explained in length why even though on paper that would be true, 99% of the time it doesn’t matter that you take longer or don’t get the void right away. Anyway cheers
This is pretty similar to getting good runs in Binding of Isaac. There is a lot of patience to get the maximum value off of each floor, but if you do give each floor the time it needs, you can easily get tons of value.
It's not really the same, wasting time in risk of rain is very detrimental to your run because of scaling, in Binding of isaac you can take as long as you like as long as you aren't going for the specific time gated stuff. You should try to do these things where you can but on lower mobility characters it's harmful to stay around for too long
@@TheMirksta Time is not so scary as you think. Leaving stage 2 on 25 minute mark because you tried to move pots for 10 minutes for two bands are WORTH!
From my experience the only time aegis is only good on someone who needs healing and that stuff is directly apart of their builds like engineer who needs support and defense to counter the fact that his central offense is his turrets and harpoons because his main weapon had terrible range and a long charge
There’s another comment on this video where I explain full looting vs rushing but if you want to see me explain it in more detail I featured in Disputed Origins eclipse guide in a 9 minute segment where I go over the math on this. Tldr yes it’s worth
And in the average run not one of these was useful bc almost every single one of these tips consist of "spend extra time in a stage when you could be half way thru the next stage" if you get a useless red, so what pick it up and regardless you will get SOME benefit from it, unless it is an outright negative item that will get you killed or ruin your run, just pick it up and continue. You only need to macro for extreme challenge runs and/or speed runs, outside of that you can more or less run around and do whatever you want bc in the end having 1 more strong item isnt going to make or break the run
If you don't want more consistent/more powerful runs on harder eclipse difficulties I can't make you. It seems you don't care that much about that kind of stuff which is okay! This video may not be for you then. But other people do care about that stuff, and in that sense all of these tips are useful for those people to guarantee better runs. This video is also built upon the concept of eclipse winstreaking and without loops to bail players out. The point is to provide a way for players to not be forced to loop or restart and instead choose how they want to streak. Good luck with your runs though, but it seems like you don't need it!
White cauldrons on the moon show up most runs! Also there’s a lot that goes into why I’d rather have a few white items from the moon cauldron or hope for a red printer than have aegis on e8, it’s a matter of actually getting the most viability and usability out of my builds. With half healing aegis takes a considerable amount of items to even function at a low barrier rate, barrier that doesn’t block permanent damage. Effectively you’re trading a ton of other types of items like damage etc to get a very subpar item working for e8
when it comes to "equipment juggling"... if each one is set to a certain spot, isn't it the same result if you just reroll each one as you open it? there's no need to juggle at all if each one is in the spot it started in, right? it's not like you can get "extra" rerolls by juggling, right? just trying to clarify, that would make things simpler
The purpose is to keep equipment you want while still having as many rerolls as you have equipment. If I want to keep a card/gun but reroll more equips to more guns this is an example of what I’d do
I tend to do all the things in the video except for the last one with the recycler. They're great suggestions but there's an important thing to remember.. most of those tips only work if you already aim to scout and loot the whole stage. Expecially in the early game where it's not really THAT convenient. But what if you don't want to spend 10 minutes in the first stage? I'm not gonna search for every equipment barrel just to reroll a red item that is not gonna impact my build now. In fact, 92% of the barrels are not gonna have a recycler or a card. If I spend more time trying to hit that 8% and get stuff that don't really change my run most of the times then I'm literally wasting time. You can get one of those equipments throughout the run anyway and they don't become less valuable just because you find them later, unless you have an already functioning build with your equipment. A similiar thing can apply for scrappers and printers but I think searching for them is way more beneficial and safe.
I explain it directly after, but imagine it's stage 5, you have an fmp build but you found a recycler. Okay well the smart part of you knows you want a trophy hunter tricorn because you wanted the charged perforator from the worm that might spawn, but you don't want to reroll the equipment you're taking to mithrix, so you do things like this. It comes up literally constantly in gameplay I use this almost every single run I play
ive been playing ROR2 for almost a year now and ive only now noticed that the Recycler lets you recycle things multiple times if you swap their position
Time to get better friends! In all seriousness if you want better games communication is needed between the team, check out my coop video to get a better idea on how to better play coop!
oh shit wait with the equipment tip at the end... can't effigy of the drowned create *NEW* equipment positions? would you be able to use that to gain infinite equipment rerolls?? (ideally as MUL-T, so you could carry both your effigy and recycler between stages) i know effigy is a lunar and you don't use lunars, but like... for anyone that does, this tech is absolutely insane if its possible
it would create a position once dropped from the lunar pod so +1 but no more than that. I do check lunar pods sometimes for lunar equips to see if there are any new equipment positions available though. I'm glad you caught that as an option :)
This is helpful but I feel like most of it does not apply to someone like me that doesn't find single player appealing Like I love the game but I love playing it with my friends that have it just as much
@@RacesVideos yeah I gave it more thought and like just saying "hey if you see items on the ground don't pick them up please" would already get past that, might only require more effort than it's worth if we all start doing it and have to recall every item we leave for later and the reasoning and location. We get to Mythrix like half the time nowadays anyways. Again tho sick vid, I'm def gonna keep it in mind
definitely check out some of my co-op vids to help you out. theres some unique macro strategies at play. like giving all the green scrap to one player so the team can utilize cauldrons, sharing items is the backbone of it all. good luck friend
Sorry, no amount of perfectly logical rational can overcome the pure reflex instinct which forces me to immediately pick up every single available item
This this is extremely underrated
logical rationalization is overrated, submit to your instincts and be a loot goblin
Is this the same instinct that makes me walk too close to Mithrix as bandit?
ah, the tried and always present loot goblin mentality. good to know others have this mindset too
i dont care if the first chest gives me a desk plant, im taking it as soon as i possibly can so i can go to the barrel next to it for the printer drop. goblins shall rise.
So, to summarize:
-scrappers good
-wait on pickup up stuff you can reroll to see if you'll be able to reroll it, or if you plan to print so you don't accidentally consume it
-wait on opening good multishops to see if you can just use a card
-if you gotta print and risk things, dilute your item pool first
-grabbing a backup rusted key when you have an encrusted key will allow you to keep the void train rolling
-recyclers hinge upon item position, not the item itself
so what im hearing is Loader art in the near future? :)
how can you reroll items??? What does waiting to pickup a red even change? If you're going to turn it to scrap, you can do that at any time, so what's the difference? I don't mean this to be rude, I'm genuinely asking! :)
oh shoot wait the recycler exists..
@@T.v.Remote If you get a red item drop that doesn't benefit your build, instead of picking it up right away and scrapping it you should scout the stage for any recyclers, even if you dont get to reroll it you'll scrap it in the end, but if you scrapped it earlier and find a recycler later you'll beat yourself up over being impatient.
Hope that answers your question :)
@@chrysanthemumu3u yes it does! thank you!! :)
Actually, i forget the red item on the ground and move to the next stage, so this is bad advice.
ADHD players be like
Bad advice *for you*
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA 10/10
Ngl thats kinda a skill issue
@@TartarusHimselfself-diagnosis mfs when they discover all people tend to forget things : 😧😦😯
oh boy I can finally download Race’s play style
consentually that is ;)
you can finally become a raceist
I picked up a lot of these tricks from watching some of the gameplay videos, but this comprehensive guide is massively valuable. Like i definitely learned something from watching this. The equipment positioning tip at the end literally made my jaw drop lol.
This is a great showcase on the macroeconomy in Risk of Rain! I've always wondered exactly how much all of these techniques factor into making a good run. Perhaps one day...
Is that a lemurian as your avatar? They are very cute
But 100 items make brain happy.
Dump it all on a shrine of order and watch chaos unfold.
But you still get 100 items, you just wait 5 seconds to pick them up :)
Ever since I started watching your content this was something I picked up on you doing and have baked it into my own runs. This vid explains it far better than I could to my friends. Thanks for this, Race!
You can just use the relic that lets you choose items. Why would you want to manage items and leave it to rng. Y’all play this game in the worst way possible
@@shinydmike8490 because we love gambling
@shinydmike8490 "Why would you play the game as its meant to be played when you can use cheat codes and play on easy mode?"
Managing RNG is part of the game. It's a roguelike. It's more satisfying to overcome bad luck than to always get perfect items and win without any real challenge.
@@AnonYmous-mi1kl
- you quoted something i didnt say
- the relic is not a cheat, its also part of the game
- whats satisfying to you is different than other people
- the game can be and is just as challenging with the choice of items
-try again
@@shinydmike8490 Nah you suck bro sorry to break it to ya
Great vid! I've understood most of what you went over already through watching your videos, but having it all summarized neatly is great.
Item positions for re-rolling is an incredibly nice tip tbh, thank you
Thank you for the heart too
the exec card situation happened to me twice in a span of 2 days i can't overstate how absolutely clutch it was for my runs
recycler = ♥
I prefer exec card tbh but recycler is good for getting it
@@epicgamernik76 i call it the batcreditcard
began macro itemizing the second i started watching your vids, runs have become 10x better
This video actually really helped me up my game so thank you. I was way too focused on rushing through the stages and taking this advice to heart has made my runs waayyy more consistent because I have a better chance of tipping the luck in my favor.
This video is super nice for helping friends understand why I do microitemization. Before they would just be confused on why I leave shops unclaimed and key boxes un touched.
I always thought that the item recycles were tied to the item, not the position so that's a neat new thing I've found out from this!
That recycle position one is brilliant, I didn’t know it worked like that. Great stuff
Thanks.
No idea why I never thought of doing that. It's so obvious yet it never even crossed my mind.
Run saver! 🙏
2:21 this caused me physical pain
this is a useful video guide/explanation tho a few of these i learned just from watching you play, hearing you explain it drives it home
That's a really informative video, thanks!
Kinda makes me proud that me and my friend started doing these optimizations on our own
I never knew the reroll position concept. Helpful!
Oh dang, this was actually super informative. Thanks!
Can finally watch your streams without feeling totally braindead. Thank you!
This enlightened me to some mistakes I routinely make that good back runs- and give a good idea of how to alter my strategy. I fully looted a state 4 with two tri shops full of gray greens, and after buying from them I found a credit card and was so mad lol
I finished watching the video, really good easy to understand guide! Maybe that’s just my tons of experience talking tho
I had no idea equipment recycling works that way. Very cool guide overall. I have started using scrappers more and trying to make visits to the bazaar more often, but I still need to work on knowing when not to pick up certain items.
Starting to pick up eclipse, this is some really useful stuff! Keep, it up, you're doing a great job :D
Me: "I'll leave this aegis here so I can hopefully recycle it later in the stage"
My loot goblin friend: "👀 now who would leave a perfectly good aegis here 👀"
4:28 that hack beacon spot is immaculate
I main captain and stuff like that feels soo good to find
could be useful in singleplayer, in multiplayer if you leave red item on the ground for even 2 miliseconds someone will take it from you.
Get better friends! I use this in coop all the time and it makes runs free and easy when you both have a desire to better each others builds and win
I agree that some lighter work, like looking for a scrapper before printing, is usually worth the wait. But in a game where every second matters, scouring the map for a 4% chance of a recycler only to trudge back to the item you left, and then *back* to the teleporter 96% of the time doesnt seem like a particularly good strategy, especially one that claims to help tip rng in your favor
Time doesn’t matter as much as you think :) I usually play at 10+ minutes a stage and have a 98% winrate with unmodded eclipse 8 (no loops no lunars), I use these strategies to do that
@@RacesVideos or just, y'know pick everything up like the loot goblin I am and just be good at playing the game to always win my runs
Race ohw to make the most useful videos in the community casually
No amount of explaining anything will make me understand not picking up Aegis in that first clip
Something I really like doing and works well for me in tandem with these techniques is to set an identity of the build pretty early, and let the rest of the run (also using these techniques) iron out what I'm missing.
There's been moments where I have a decent versatile spread of items on stage 1, but that 3d-printer that does one role really well (gasoline as aoe, focus crystals as damage for certain survivors, energy drinks as speed) tends to be the gamesetter for the rest of the run often and I find its often worth the sacrifice to kink out a role that early, just so you have more leeway in beating the RNG later. Depends a bit on what I *actually* get though of course but that's been the general E8 win foundation for me.
But that's just a way that I found worked for me. One of the most enjoyable things in this game imo is the nuance of it all. The little things really do make a difference.
0:25 *_[laughs in better command essence to rebalance command instead to just pick from a few things.]_*
if they put it in the game and it doesn't invalidate unlocks and achievements then it's legal to me and I'm gonna bloody well use it.
Even as a beginner who barely has a clue what’s going on when it comes to this game basically at all, this did give some good ideas to consider I think. So yeah, good video. Will try to look for more beginner friendly content though but I’ll try to remember to come back to this.
Good video! I'd like to see more little guides like this, they're very helpful
Another reason why this system is so good (which I think hopoo did intentionally) is that fact that this is making people use equipment more, and actually looking for equipment barrels.
Why tf did i never think of this... ITS SO OBVIOUS and LOGICAL
concise and informative, thank you!
I love your videos! This is a great guide
Alright now try to do any of this when playing with friends
We do and we win every time :)
Great advice. Don't hate on my Queen's Gland
I often find that many of these techniques take more time than you realistically have to spare on a 4% chance. For the blunderbust I suggest only doing it on scorched acres as it has equipment multishops, grovetender, and imp overlord. Yes sky meadow does also have equipment multishops, but like you'll get an aloy worship unite if you're lucky and most players don't understand the quality or know how to use soul probes (If only rally point had multishop equipments). Though the recycler one I completely agree with. The rest however are very situational and I would not recommend this video who doesn't fully understand this game, and at that point they already understand most of these.
There's no one way to play the game and although I may be a gambler at heart some of these odds are too low even for me, and if you're new to ror2 reading my comment ALWAYS WAIT TO PICK UP GOOD ITEMS AFTER USING A PRINTER, I DON'T CARE HOW MANY BANDOLIERS YOU GOT FROM THAT MOUNTAIN SHRINE, JUST WAIT.
Great video btw.
It’s a 4% each, but those aren’t mutually exclusive. And they run together pretty often. If I open the legendary chest on Abyssal Depths and get a useless red, and there’s a multishop somewhere on the stage, all 3 are covered. Now there’s a 12% chance to find an equipment you’re looking for per barrel.
in my case patience isn't really a problem. it's the memory
i forgor that i had scrapper and some good printer somewhere on the map and i only remember them once i hit the tele into the next area lol. and standing around to print/scrap before the boss event wasn't the greatest idea due to artillery guys like hermit crabs or mushrooms existing and threatening my economy
Had to watch the video twice to understand it because it's too smart
I haven’t watched the video yet but yeah good point Race
Thank you so much for giving us this guide
i can't help but internally scream at watching you recycle aegis
For the same reason as to why you always activate the shrine of the mountain regardless of the situation...because you have to, it's the law
You can also use the tricorn on the Alloy worship unit to skip the fight if you don't have big damage.
You can't because AWU doesn't have a boss drop (unless it also gives Empathy Cores), same way Mithrix and Voidling are immune to Tricorn.
@@Asparagun you can and it drops empathy cores for some reason.
@@Ashurion-Neonix Oh probably because it's just a funky SCU
ok. so it's "why not pick it up right away", but good way to say it, indeed got me curious.
People who play with Command:
Alot of these things seem like they would add lots of time, if there is a multishop on one end of the stage and a potential card on the other, and you are engi with no move speed, wouldn't the extra minutes add up over time?
I know rushing is not better than fullooting but I know spending lots of time on a stage can cause scaling issues.
or, you know, just be Race and GET a recycler every run.. easy ;) all jokes aside, nice video dude!
this guys smarter than albirdpinesign and kneecolasaysuh combined!!!!
"keep taking that chance instead of giving up to rng"
-Race
Really like this advice, but my friends wouldn't understand and just pick up my items😭 (very well put together video, great job)
Will other guides become regular events. This was pretty concise and I’m curious what other concepts I’ve been missing out on
Most likely not unfortunately, most of the topics that are guide worthy have been or are being done in depth. This is one area of strategizing that developed from me and my play style so I felt comfortable making a guide on it, albeit short, I think it hit home on some main points and questions and got the ball rolling for people to start thinking critically about future decision making in their own runs :)
if you find a good printer on a stage: wait til you find a scrapper, scrap all your good items, go to the printer, print the scrap, print all your bad items. This way, you only lose scrap and bad items 👍👍
But then you won't be able to use your other good items in your build because you've scrapped them?
But Race! Lepton Daisy go brrrrrrrr
This is the stuff that makes risk of rain 2 such an interesting game,
and what I think separates skilled players from players who struggle with the game.
It's not just about running and shooting and getting lucky, but how you locate, obtain, and manage items in the game
slow and steady win the race
And Race wins*
To bad idk, dump everything into soldiers syringe
Based
so keep playing like I've always done, great vid!
Didn't occur to me that it isn't as clear cut to make choices like theese for people.
Scrapper ❌ ganbling ✅
in a game about a race against time this delayed gratification is an interesting challenge
Time doesn't matter as much as it initially seems, progressing through stages has more of an effect on difficulty than time
I get the "save it now get more later" thing. But things are not this black and white and I'd say half of the times in a usual early run you'd rather use the void key to get an earlier powerspike rather than keeping the key hoping for another one later to get more void items later. Yeah that in theory is a higher power budget than using it right away, but you're potentially stuck in a state where you struggle to kill anything fast enough and by the time you could've gotten a secon key, the time you wasted getting there made the enemies out scale you. While if you use the key right away, you might get a polylute and start killing everything faster, making you gain gold quicker, open chest more frequently and run the clock more efficiently. By the time you find nother key, you could either be dead or already power spiked far enough for it to matter little and anything in between.
Oh yeah the time scaling thing could be applied to most of your advices here, the choice is yours to look around the entire stage hoping to tip the odds more in your favor or move on to the next stage already looting more stuff giving your more chances to roll into something desirable.
I still like the video for explaining why you do certain things that most people like I never though of doing tho.
I’m another comment here under the video someone had said the same thing and I explained in length why even though on paper that would be true, 99% of the time it doesn’t matter that you take longer or don’t get the void right away. Anyway cheers
I don’t think I’ve ever gotten the recycler item in game without command on
If I don’t make a decision and spend say 10 minutes on stage one, the difficulty scaling will crush me before I’m at stage two
I regularly take 10-15 minutes a stage and have a 95%+ winrate on eclipse 8 :) don’t pay attention to time as much
Yes, I do go for the multishop immediately, because I don't have the dlc
alternative: fuck it we ball
Heres a good flow chart for how i loot
0, Chests
(If no card )
1, Eq barrels
2, chance shrines
(If card)
1, mulit shops
2, everything else
Me when artifact of command and sacrifice.
Pretty sure the secret sauce is Spinel Tonic.
This is pretty similar to getting good runs in Binding of Isaac. There is a lot of patience to get the maximum value off of each floor, but if you do give each floor the time it needs, you can easily get tons of value.
It's not really the same, wasting time in risk of rain is very detrimental to your run because of scaling, in Binding of isaac you can take as long as you like as long as you aren't going for the specific time gated stuff. You should try to do these things where you can but on lower mobility characters it's harmful to stay around for too long
@@TheMirksta Time is not so scary as you think. Leaving stage 2 on 25 minute mark because you tried to move pots for 10 minutes for two bands are WORTH!
From my experience the only time aegis is only good on someone who needs healing and that stuff is directly apart of their builds like engineer who needs support and defense to counter the fact that his central offense is his turrets and harpoons because his main weapon had terrible range and a long charge
Inst the whole thing in risk of rain that your supposed to move quickly if I'm doing multiple laps to maybe get something better
Risk of rains ideal of encouraging players to move quickly failed, it’s more consistent to do the opposite funnily enough
@@RacesVideos interesting ok
i agree in theory, but is it really worth the extra time that you waste on each stage that makes enemies stronger in the future?
There’s another comment on this video where I explain full looting vs rushing but if you want to see me explain it in more detail I featured in Disputed Origins eclipse guide in a 9 minute segment where I go over the math on this. Tldr yes it’s worth
@@RacesVideos ah interesting
thank you this improved my gameplay 🎮 by 20% 😱 I learned a lot 👨🏫
And in the average run not one of these was useful bc almost every single one of these tips consist of "spend extra time in a stage when you could be half way thru the next stage" if you get a useless red, so what pick it up and regardless you will get SOME benefit from it, unless it is an outright negative item that will get you killed or ruin your run, just pick it up and continue. You only need to macro for extreme challenge runs and/or speed runs, outside of that you can more or less run around and do whatever you want bc in the end having 1 more strong item isnt going to make or break the run
If you don't want more consistent/more powerful runs on harder eclipse difficulties I can't make you. It seems you don't care that much about that kind of stuff which is okay! This video may not be for you then. But other people do care about that stuff, and in that sense all of these tips are useful for those people to guarantee better runs.
This video is also built upon the concept of eclipse winstreaking and without loops to bail players out. The point is to provide a way for players to not be forced to loop or restart and instead choose how they want to streak. Good luck with your runs though, but it seems like you don't need it!
Red Printers are rarer then healing items thou... Why would you scrap Agias?
Still good video even if I disagree with a specific example
White cauldrons on the moon show up most runs!
Also there’s a lot that goes into why I’d rather have a few white items from the moon cauldron or hope for a red printer than have aegis on e8, it’s a matter of actually getting the most viability and usability out of my builds. With half healing aegis takes a considerable amount of items to even function at a low barrier rate, barrier that doesn’t block permanent damage. Effectively you’re trading a ton of other types of items like damage etc to get a very subpar item working for e8
3:51 Can’t relate, I went all in on a 3d printer after losing an item I wanted and it ended up with me getting my first clear 😂 Bleed so op
not applicable to multiplayer because my friends would snatch the items up to troll me
time for better friends
when it comes to "equipment juggling"...
if each one is set to a certain spot, isn't it the same result if you just reroll each one as you open it?
there's no need to juggle at all if each one is in the spot it started in, right?
it's not like you can get "extra" rerolls by juggling, right?
just trying to clarify, that would make things simpler
The purpose is to keep equipment you want while still having as many rerolls as you have equipment. If I want to keep a card/gun but reroll more equips to more guns this is an example of what I’d do
@@RacesVideos I see, that makes sense, thanks!
Cant wait to be patient with my items for my teamates to eat them all up
Patience can get you better friends too
I'm all like "oh god why would you do that it wastes so much time" and then remember that I'm too used to playing on Command
That was so obnoxiusly nerd
I love it
So basically, be patient, wait and see if there are better possibilities before looting.
Loot smartly, not quickly.
ive been playing for hundreds of hours and didnt know almost any of this lol my only strategy was amass as many items as possible
I tend to do all the things in the video except for the last one with the recycler.
They're great suggestions but there's an important thing to remember.. most of those tips only work if you already aim to scout and loot the whole stage. Expecially in the early game where it's not really THAT convenient.
But what if you don't want to spend 10 minutes in the first stage? I'm not gonna search for every equipment barrel just to reroll a red item that is not gonna impact my build now. In fact, 92% of the barrels are not gonna have a recycler or a card. If I spend more time trying to hit that 8% and get stuff that don't really change my run most of the times then I'm literally wasting time. You can get one of those equipments throughout the run anyway and they don't become less valuable just because you find them later, unless you have an already functioning build with your equipment.
A similiar thing can apply for scrappers and printers but I think searching for them is way more beneficial and safe.
5:39 what does this mean? why would i do this when i could just reroll the other equipment?? can someone please tell me because i dont understand 😢
I explain it directly after, but imagine it's stage 5, you have an fmp build but you found a recycler. Okay well the smart part of you knows you want a trophy hunter tricorn because you wanted the charged perforator from the worm that might spawn, but you don't want to reroll the equipment you're taking to mithrix, so you do things like this. It comes up literally constantly in gameplay I use this almost every single run I play
As soon as I leave an item my friend is gonna yoink it no hesitation
someone's playing with goblins
ive been playing ROR2 for almost a year now and ive only now noticed that the Recycler lets you recycle things multiple times if you swap their position
But it's hard in multiplayer because loot-goblin loader comes around and picks up all the items I "forgot"
Time to get better friends! In all seriousness if you want better games communication is needed between the team, check out my coop video to get a better idea on how to better play coop!
I primarily play with friends, and I KNOW that they'd pick up the red just to fuck with me.
So this waiting and coming back to items, is it worth the difficulties going up on monsoon difficulty?
I use this on eclipse 8 winstreaks so yes
oh shit wait
with the equipment tip at the end... can't effigy of the drowned create *NEW* equipment positions?
would you be able to use that to gain infinite equipment rerolls??
(ideally as MUL-T, so you could carry both your effigy and recycler between stages)
i know effigy is a lunar and you don't use lunars, but like... for anyone that does, this tech is absolutely insane if its possible
it would create a position once dropped from the lunar pod so +1 but no more than that. I do check lunar pods sometimes for lunar equips to see if there are any new equipment positions available though. I'm glad you caught that as an option :)
This is helpful but I feel like most of it does not apply to someone like me that doesn't find single player appealing
Like I love the game but I love playing it with my friends that have it just as much
You’d be surprised, this is all I do in coop, as long as everyone is on the same page
@@RacesVideos yeah I gave it more thought and like just saying "hey if you see items on the ground don't pick them up please" would already get past that, might only require more effort than it's worth if we all start doing it and have to recall every item we leave for later and the reasoning and location. We get to Mythrix like half the time nowadays anyways. Again tho sick vid, I'm def gonna keep it in mind
definitely check out some of my co-op vids to help you out. theres some unique macro strategies at play. like giving all the green scrap to one player so the team can utilize cauldrons, sharing items is the backbone of it all. good luck friend
@@RacesVideos that is so clever, I'll check it out