Can Catholics be Zionists? (Guest: Dr. Matthew Tsakanikas)
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- Опубликовано: 21 сен 2024
- The ongoing conflict between Israel and Palestine has led many Catholics to side with Israel for theological reasons, believing God has promised certain land to the Jewish people. Is this legitimate? Are Catholic obligated to defend the modern state of Israel?
Guest:
Dr. Matthew Tsakanikas is a professor of theology at Christendom College. His publications can be found in: Communio: International Catholic Review, Logos: A Journal of Catholic Thought and Culture, Catholic World Report, and his Substack, catholic460.substack.com.
Links:
• "Against Catholic Zionism" (article): crisismagazine...
• Dr. Tsakanikas's Substack: catholic460.substack.com
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This leaves more questions unanswered than answered.
We shouldn't be....with the way Christians are treated there....the ones in the gaza strip are starving. Christians there rely on pilgrimage groups for survival....but because of the violence there aren't any
Is this a joke or just ignorance?
1- Gaza is not Israel, and Israel has had nothing to do with it since 2005, after having controlled it for only 38 years. In 2005, even Jewish cemeteries were relocated to Israel. At that time, the Christian population was growing. However, after the Palestinians took over, the Christian population was reduced by 80%-not 10%, not 40%, but 80%. Living in Gaza as a Christian is 1,000 times worse than living in Israel, and it is not because of Israel.
2- The Christian population in Gaza is now 0.04% of the total, while in Israel it is 1.5% and continues to grow. We know what the Holy Land would be like under Muslim control. We went to the Holy War-the Crusades-because they blocked access to holy places for Christians. And it didn't end there. Every time Muslims have had control over the Holy Land, it has been a terrifying nightmare for Christians. Only Israel has permitted equal access to all holy places, including those for Muslims.
3- Gazans are receiving the equivalent of 3,000 calories a day in food, provided by the U.S. and Israel. Have you ever heard of an army feeding its enemy? Well, the IDF does. If anyone is starving in Gaza, it is Hamas' fault for stealing the food. Yet, Hamas still has 80% or more approval from the Gaza population.
@@jorgen7180thank you! The ignorance is staggering.
@@jorgen7180 First lie: Israel created a huge outdoor prison controlling by sea, air and land all that came out of Gaza. Now they they have created a huge outdoor execution chamber.
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@@mdavis201 Ignorance for the some yes, malevolence for the others.
@@RobertPentangelo It is called borders, and Gaza also shares borders with Egypt. Since 1948, Gazans have chosen to become mortal and rabid enemies of the newly founded country, Israel. It’s important to note that in 1948, these same people refused to create the State of Palestine, despite Resolution 181 establishing two countries, not just Israel, with the land divided 50-50. On five occasions, Gazans crossed the border, along with six Arab armies, to exterminate all Jews and take over the Holy Land. The actions of October 7th were not the first barbaric attacks on Israel. Despite this history, Gazans can still go to Israel, and Israel even grants them work permits. It must be the only "prison" in the world where inmates can visit the jailers' homes, while not a single one of the jailers can go to Gaza. It must also be the only prison where inmates can receive thousands of military-grade missiles and materials to continue making them. Even more absurd is the claim that Israel has turned Gaza into an outdoor execution chamber. The percentage of civilian casualties relative to the total population is 0.91% since October 2023. The population of Gaza has grown by approximately 2100% from 1948 to 2024, making it arguably the worst and least effective outdoor execution chamber in history.
Egypt has more restrictions on its border with Gaza than Israel does. Why? Because they don't want the Palestinians in Egypt, likely due to previous attempts by Palestinians to destabilize Egypt.
Gaza receives billions of dollars in free aid every year, at no cost to them, from Europe, the UN, the US, Israel, Arab nations, and others. Had they chosen peace and prosperity, they would be far better off than Dubai. However, they have chosen war and death.
In the north, Lebanon was once a CHRISTIAN COUNTRY, the Jewel of the Middle East, a magnificent nation, until the Palestinians arrived. They too brought war, destruction, and death. Half of the Christian population had to flee or were murdered. The country was destroyed and transformed into an Islamic state. Today, Christians in Lebanon are second-class citizens. Palestinians have chosen not only to be Israel's enemy but also to make Christians their enemies. People must read history before repeating the same idiotic propaganda spread by the enemies of Christianity and the West. Yes, the "outdoor jail" narrative is completely false.
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ANYBODY can be a hypocrite - though their reasons can vary.
The answer to the question is NO!
The Israel-arab issue is not a religious issue for Catholics (probably not for any historic non-zionist Christian viewpoint either). The fact that vocal elements on both sides involved are seeing the conflict in terms of religious nationalisms, and that significant influencers on each side are expecting some kind of utopian future ("deception of antichrist" comes to mind), seems to make this an intractable issue. I think what is required would be a solution based on natural law and natural justice (I have no proposal). Thank you.
Great interview! Dr. Tsakanikas understand sacred Scripture and gave a wonderful explanation of salvation history.
Eric listened to Kennedys podcast!! Good
Matt Fradd and Lofton will be horribly shocked
They’re shilling for Israel makes their content unwatchable.
Excellent biblical theology! Thank you! 🙂
Another crucial point in the Zionism debate is WHO controls the holy land and holy sites. Prior to World War I it was the Islamic Ottoman empire, which viciously persecuted Christians in the Armenian and Assyrian genocides as primary examples. People who criticize modern Israel in the name of the Palestinian Christians often forget their history of persecution prior to modern Israel So, if we just withdraw support for today's Israel, there's no historical reason to believe life will get better for the indigenous Christians of the region. The Islamists will just step into the vacuum and reduce Christians to dhimmitude status.
Jews also suffered under Islamic rule and the Koran and hadiths demand the subjugation of Jews and Christian who it says are "friends with eachother" and should nit be taken as friends by Moslems. They must be treated with deception. Both Jews and Christians rightly reject Mohamed's false religion. Today in Israel Christians are not conscripted and there are small numbers in the Israel Defence Force. Dreuse serve in the IDF. Christians who live in Israel should serve in the IDF as citizens. Moslems cannot because their ideology makes them clear enemies of the Jews.
The very miniscule 1000 Christians in Gaza should have evacuated out when the conflict started. They are simply hostages for Hamas to play with.
Lmao. Christian & jew lives better under muslim khalifah than under jews. There was a peace in palestine b4 immigrant jews starting war in 1948.
Christians & jews also live safe under muslim khalifah in spain for hundread of years. But spanish inquisition kill & expel anybody that not convert to christian.
Thank goodness we are getting a more balanced narrative.
I've been to Israel twice and i am saddened by the lack of logic in many Catholics understanding of this crises. God bless.
It's very disturbing that at 5:25 Dr. Tsakanikas uses the term "occupying" to refer to the Jews returning to their homeland. This is the same way those who refuse to recognize Israel as a legitimate state refer to Zion, along with the oft used genocidal trope "From the river to the sea". Israel actually bought the land they now live on, they were never "occupiers". Unfortunately an education in Rome is not always a pedigree for historical authority and accuracy. At 6:57 he said "that people who 'claim' to be of Jewish ancestry are returning to their Jewish homeland". It's not hard to see where he is going with this.
To borrow a quote, what we have here is "a failure to communicate." This situation requires two conversations; the professor essentially acknowledges only one. The Israelis have engaged in negotiation after negotiation and in the end the other side would not sign off on any "two-state solution." What followed would be attack after attack after attack. That isn't only politics, it's history and what we have here is essentially one serious and truthful theological conversation. In one encounter with a upper middle class Dearborn resident, I was literally screamed, screeched at in an anti semitic rant. She spoke and speaks for many. The first initiative by Pius XIth and Pius XIIth in the late 1930s to save Jews involved Jewish converts to the Catholic faith. 200,000. Brazil, Argentina and other Catholic countries at first agreed to take in robust numbers. But in end those countries whittled down the numbers to near irrelevancy. This from the Peter Seewald first volume of the Benedict XVI biography. As for the Faith... I've never heard the word "abortion" from any Catholic pulpit (the ambos now abandoned) other than the Assumption Grotto in Detroit and that parish's former Pastor was essentially lawfared and publically persecuted for being what one Catholic layman described as being "too ridged." He's now "assisting." Shoemaker stick to thy last..."
Piercing insight gentlemen.
I'll make it real simple ... NO!
Invite Roy Schoemann and/or Trudy Gold
This guy had some good stuff to say, but he's also way too conciliatory towards Islam. The "not all Muslims" trope. The hand wringing about the buses with no Mosque... can you blame them?? As he admits, the Muslims won't even allow Jews to quietly pray to themselves up there. So ultimately, yes, I would love to see the land under Catholic control where everyone is free to pray. But if that is not to be, and I have to choose between Jewish or Muslim control. Jewish all day long.
Completely disagree. I love to tell you why but my lengthy reply will only be censored by this platform.
Which is part of the problem!
So you support a state established by Communist terrorists who murdered British troops. and have been murdering and oppressing Palestinians for generations. Now they are committing genocide and their arrogance knows no limits. Why should it? They control the US Congress as you may have seen in Satanyahu's rant to the Congress.
Absolutely... categorically... NOT!
NO!
Forgot to mention 800,000 Jews who fled or a forced out of Muslim countries not all from Europe by any stretch
Please listen again. You have missed the message of this video and it is such an important one.
Look up the Nakba. 700,000 Palestinian Arabs were violently expelled from their land in 1948. Their villages were destroyed so Israel could be created
The Catholic position historically has always been the teaching of replacement of the Old Covenant with the New. How can there be any argument with this?
How can there be any argument with this? Because it's wrong! The fathers of the church, with viscious hatred for the Jews, decided that God is done with them and we now get all the promises to Israel. The Roman Catholic Church is responsible for the Replacement Theology that led to the murder of Jews, such as the Spanish Inquisition that murdered the Jews and now - where does this all end up - with you supporting the Palestinian Terrorists. From Replacement Theology to supporting Hamas - this LIE MUST DIE!
It's very disturbing that at 5:25 Dr. Tsakanikas uses the term "occupying" to refer to the Jews returning to their homeland. This is the same way those who refuse to recognize Israel as a legitimate state refer to Zion, along with the oft used genocidal trope "From the river to the sea". Israel actually bought the land they now live on, they were never "occupiers". Unfortunately an education in Rome is not always a pedigree for historical authority and accuracy. At 6:57 he said "that people who 'claim' to be of Jewish ancestry are returning to their Jewish homeland". It's not hard to see where he is going with this.
How about the "genocidal" actions of the murderous Netanyahu regime? Plenty of Genocidal tropes about the Palestinians, too. The Jews have ZERO right to Palestinian land either legally, morally, or Biblically.
Remember Lepanto??????
Remember the Reconquista? The Spanish Inquisition was focused not only on Jewish false conversos but Moslem ones also-as their ancestors where allied against the Catholic forces.
Not once these gentlemen mentioned the terrorist attack that provoked the war - complete ignored 10/7-
The real question is what provoked the attack. Perfidious behavior.
@@sebastianofmilan This is disgusting. Shame on you. There is nothing that justifies what happened on 10/7
More recycled and recycled talking points.
Look up the Nakba. This all started in 1948, not 2023.
NOPE
One of the "fruits" of Vatican 2 is making Zionism acceptable even a good thing to N.O. Catholics-it is part of the Judaizing of the Catholic Church by active agents pushing false doctrines. There is also a neo-con strain in the Bogus Ordo Church-George Weigel-certain writers for National Review and the National Catholic Register. They are not quite as virulent as the "Christian" Zionist Protestants nor as numberous but they are still there. The is an explanation for this-let see who figures it out.
Yes - because the Jews deserve their own homeland in the ancient land they occupied since before the common era. Any reasonable person can see that.
Why do they deserve it when Jesus prophesied their dispersion as punishment? And the only way they come home is in the Catholic Church where they are meant to be.
Who told you this was “reasonable” when there were already Christians and Muslims living there? Where are THEY supposed to go?
Are they supposed to live under Israeli Jewish Law? How has that worked for the West Bank Palis? The Palis stuck in Gaza which was Philistia and not part of Canaan?
"We cannot prevent the Jews from going to Jerusalem but we could never sanction it. The Jews have not recognized our Lord, therefore we cannot recognize the Jewish people. If you come to Palestine and settle your people there, we will have churches and priests ready to baptize all of you." -Pope St. Pius X
I don't know if you guys can see my original post but the synagogue controlled YT seems to have deleted it. Jesus dispersed the Js for a reason as punishment so that they come to His Church to be saved.
@@edukaeshn Bravo. Bravo. Bravo. Right from the Pope directly to Herzl's face, Vatican City, 1904.
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