Also, since I am newer to TLM, I can't stop talking about it and have invited several friends. I feel like the woman who lost her coin and when she found it again she invited her neighbors to celebrate!
My first Latin Mass was the Sunday after the Motu Proprio. I used an old Missal from the 50s that someone gave me after finding it in his grandfather's belongings after his death. I was lost but loved it. I have gone almost every Sunday since.
I stopped attending Mass on a regular basis for decades. However, it was on a feast day, dedicated to Our Lady, that I happened to stumble upon a beautiful, stirring and luminous, Latin Mass. The rite was so encompassing and deeply impressionable to all my senses, that it ushered me back into the Church. I site my personal redemptive return to the traditional Catholic Church, via the TLM. And that my friends, proved a mysterious, mystical, miracle in itself. God is good and great!
I live in Staten Island, NY and there is not a TLM in this borough although the priest here celebrates the NO reverently. I try to get into the Manhattan for a TLM once a month. The difference between the two masses is worlds apart, the liturgy, dress code, music, reverence, the smell of incense, real wax candles, confessions before mass. LOVE IT!
I grew up Lutheran. Started going to novos ordo for two years, saw Dr. Taylor Marshall on RUclips and he recommended going to a Latin mass. Since then my fiancé and I have been going ever since and I can’t get enough of it. Thank you for your video, I have subscribed 👍
Brilliant as usual. I had the pleasure of meeting Dr Kwasniewski at the Catholic Identity Conference last October in Pittsburg after hearing him speak there too. He’s definitely a blessing for Holy Mother Church.
The Lord was calling me to the Latin Mass for so long and I was reticent to go with regularity. Thanks be to God we had a pandemic and I, as a daily communicant, became frantic when all the sacraments came to an end at my novus ordo parish. Thankfully my Latin Mass friends said, "If you want to receive Our Lord, go here..." and there I did go. I will never leave the Latin Mass, never, ever. Thank you Peter for all that you are doing to make this beautiful gift known and loved, may God bless you richly for your efforts, thank you, thank you.
I have only been going for a year since discovering that while all the other churches are closed because of the plandemic, the Latin Rite gives communion on the tongue. It has always been a spine tingling experience and get goose bumps especially when I kneel to receive our Lord. I’m still learning but I definitely found my home😇🙏😊
According to Vatican II's Sacrosanctum Concilium, the Novus Ordo is still normative in Latin. The vernacular is the option. It is up to priests and laity to work for a return to Latin in the reformed liturgy.
Traditional Latin Mass is celebrated in Philippines during the 50's snd 60's till l migrated here in America that change the mass in english, thank God that Latin Mass is back at our church during Sundays at St. Anthony's Catholic Church, El Segundo CA. Feel the solemnity and so peaceful with the presence of God. Praise the Lord🙏🙏🙏
I Must Tell You; I am 7th born of 10 children. And my Parents had a Second Conversion after my Father's Cousin had brought to them So Much Information About OUR LADY Of FATIMA! It Literally Changed Their Lives! They went from only having Two Children; to living totally for God and Having 10 Children! Not moving to Florida as My Dad Could Move With his job; as a City Fireman! They had Our House Enthroned and We Prayed The Family Rosary! I will Always Cherish The Memories of standing next to my Dad; who was 6'4"; at MASS; when I was very very young! My Father Never Accepted Vatican Two and ALL of The Changes in The Most Holy Sacrifice of the Mass! I also quite fondly remember The May Procession and the Crowning of OUR LADY Celebration at Mass! I became My Father's Living Witness to All He Did So Fervently Believe was Taken Away and So Radically CHANGED IN THE MASS; by THE MODERNIST!!! As I would So Often Hear; GOD DOES NOT CHANGE; HE REMAINS THE SAME; YESTERDAY TODAY and TOMORROW!!! As I Entered Saint Anthony's High School. I was being taught; that The BIBLE Was Just a bunch of nice stories. They were not Really True; but we're told to kinda help explain our faith in story form!!!! I was getting headaches and would lay down after walking home from school! I really never fared well at school anyway! But This Was Causing me to have trouble with my nerves! EVERYTHING MY Dad Would Teach us after every Mass; we had the Traditional Sunday Bakery goods and Always Gather together. Our table was akin to The Last Supper painting my Mom did! And it hung on our dinning room wall. All 12 of us would gather round and listen to my Father's Talk on The Sunday Mass! NOW; Everything He Had taught me; was Now Suddenly being explained away as JUST NICE STORIES! It was originally very hard for my Parents to Believe that I was being so brutally beaten by my first grade nun. Whipped actually, until I had come home with very red welts on the backs of my legs. And wet socks from the Shock of The Yard stick whipping my bare little legs! I was the shyest child in my class; for year's! And just couldn't figure out why she insisted on beating me for one reason or another! Well; I eventually figured it out! But as is with life; Ever figuring things out! But Yes! I was born in February 1958! And I Would Also Just like to ADD; Now We Can Clearly See What The Real 3rd SECRET of FATIMA WAS! Pertaining to The SMOKE OF SATAN; ENTERING THE CHURCH BACK THEN! I at only 5 year's old, had a dream vision; I was taken at midnight; across from my Church; I so dearly Loved very young! And was watching rows of dark hooded men; all coming in double rows; down the side street and around the corner and right up into the Church! I was made to understand these particular men; were INFILTRATORS! Entering the Catholic TRUE CHURCH; SOLELY TO DO EXACTLY WHAT THEY HAVE Been Trying to do now FOR A LIFETIME of My finding out! As much later in my life; I was given a book; written by a Priest; who was just one of these many men the Lord had shown me that night. It was quite riveting to say the least! I had 4 Children by then; they are my life under My God! But This reading of this particular book; so angered the devil!!! That He has hated what I had found out so much. He had chased me; my entire life it seems! Even before I read it! But much more intently after, he hates THE TRUTH Being FOUND OUT! BUT OUR PROTECTIVE FATHER IS SO GOOD TO US! TRUST HIM and BELIEVE! BELIEVE IN THE MIGHTY POWER IN JUST THE BLESSING IN LATIN; when he tries to inflict anything on You! Amen! Extremely WONDERFUL TEACHING ABOUT THE TRUE SACRIFICE OF THE HOLY MASS! GOD IS A GOD OF RULES IN THIS LIFE! HE IS A GOD OF OBEDIENCE and ORDER! HE DOESN'T CHANGE! HE REMAINS THE SAME YESTERDAY TODAY and TOMORROW! AMEN!
Thank you, thank you! A beautiful summary of the Mass of the Ages. Just hearing this brings a spirit of worship up front and center. So many have been robbed of the sacred and the complete sense of worship. Never give it up...never! 🙏✝️🙏
THIS is a masterpiece ! I'd LOVE to have this in writing. Actually , I might have to transcribe it , norther how long it takes , to read and reread . Such eloquently stated TRUTH !!!
I just came back to the Catholic Church in April after having been away for twenty years started going to the tlm in June. All I can say is logos is rising
As a homeschooler, I have been really underwhelmed by the Latin programs available. This would be a wonderful ministry for someone! Wonderful talk. Thank you. TLM speaks to my soul in ways NOM seldom could.
PK you are a treasure for traditional Catholics. I grew up with the Latin Mass as a young schoolgirl and after the changes many of us did not see the serious changes except that one of my sons called the new mass a microwave mass. I still preferred to go to TLM wherever it was. I had no strong opinions until this pope put a wrench on it and I had a chance to learn more. Thank you for your efforts to explain this to the rest of us!
My Latin missals (either the Baronius Press or Fr. Lessance) go with me when I attend a NO mass. I read the prayers before Mass and the ones specifically before receiving Communion. I will of course pay attention to the readings and homily and most definitely during the Consecration. Prior to lining up for Communion (in a state of grace of course, after going to confession) I’ll recite the confetior silently. After receiving and using my own words to pray, I’ll read prayers after Communion. Usually the music during these masses range from boring to cringe, but reading those short prayers helps me focus on conversing with the Lord instead of the fluff going on around me.
@@glennso47 Yes. I have a missal for the NO that I bring also....it was given to me ironically as a Christmas gift. The person who gave it to me is very kind hearted family member who couldn’t understand why I had a Latin missal with me even after I explained my reasons for bringing it to the NO mass. She most likely felt bad that I couldn’t follow along during the NO mass she attended with me and my wife.
JMJ+ Your talks are always enjoyable and educational, but it would be very nice to be able to hear the audience participation and questions. The TLM is beautiful and the prayers of the ancients are so needed today. The Mass is for and about GOD, not man, but the Novis Ordo just doesn't seem to get that point.... Even a Latin N. O. just doesn't work..... GOD help YOUR Church to heal and become unified in the Liturgy and Eucharist...................
"Given the choice..." Well, actually, there is no choice. The Modernist Anibale Bugnini, the primary author of the Novus Ordo, kept in his new creation the very minimum so that it could be defended as being valid, but even though the NO Mass might, perhaps, be valid, I must, Must, MUST not endanger my soul by attending at it.
@juleous camper For the Mass to be valid the Sacrament, which is its purpose and central action, must also be confected validly. If the Sacrament is not valid, the Mass is not valid. What is required for valid confection of the Sacrament is a) a validly ordained Priest, b) valid matter (i.e. -- wheaten bread), c) valid form (proper words -- in this case the words Jesus spoke when He first consecrated the Sacrament), d) proper intention of the minister of the Sacrament. A fault in any one of these can mean that the bread does not, in fact, become the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Our Lord Jesus Christ, but remains only a piece of bread of little or no real value.
Great lecture. I've been attending Sunday TLM high mass for the last few months. Had to attend NO today at same church and same priest. I hate to say that mass was boring, but it was boring and it just felt weird. I can't believe I endured the NO for all my 49 years. The sung Our Father is about the most beautiful and there was no beautiful music. Most people stood before the kneelers for communion in the hand and there were a few of us women with veils who knelt and received on the tongue. It almost didn't seem like the same church, but it was a different crowd with a different feeling. I will keep going to TLM. I feel I've learned so much in these few short months. I was first confirmed in 2019 and my intention was not to remain stagnant. I'm so grateful the Holy Spirit has lead me to TLM. I probably wouldn't have even known about TLM if it weren't for the lockouts. The Lord works in mysterious ways.
You know Mikki....I'm pretty much a raging lunatic when it comes to Bogus Or do Catholicism And then when the TLM crowd posts , all my rage evaporates ...... Hmmm....
Praise God forever in Latin Mass. We should be given a choice! Stay strong laity for Latin Mass is spiritually enriching across the world! Please, keep on the program alive for it draws people to faith in JESUS CHRIST- TRUTH.
@@glo8778 don’t leave the barque of Peter because of men. There have been many unholy popes in the churches history, reason still to stay with Holy Mother Church.
Thank you, Dr. Peter Kwasniewski. The very relevant insistence on stability, constancy, permanence, in a specifically (traditional) liturgical-ritual setting, is far more decisive than many are led to believe. Hence the nefarious effects of the liturgical “reform” were multiplied by the liturgical revolutionaries imposing change after change, in a constant instability during the “Missa Normativa” (!) experimentations from 1963-1969. By the promulgation of the Novus Ordo in 1969, Catholics were already dizzied with unstable liturgy, which is why so many find “the Eucharist” boring unless all sorts of anthropocentric entertainments take place.
Thank you Latin Mass is spiritually profound in Jesus Christ. I love your integrated wisdom of our Latin Mass. . Keep telling the Vatican about this is significant.
The Latin Mass is a sacred work of art. When I first came back to Catholicism after many years away, I went to both NO and TLM. After awhile I realized that the TLM shared my values so I only went to the LM thereafter. These are good talks to introduce people. It is not HARD! to understand TLM. The missals make it easy. One thing I read recently is that those trying to deny the TLM are going up against God. Pope Gregory V set it in stone years ago and warned that anyone who changed it risked the rath of Peter and Paul, not to mention God.
In the questions and answers section towards the end of this post the question about chanting came up. Let me assure you the Orthodox till this day chant the readings as it always was from the beginning of the church and before the Schism took place.
What a gift it is to find myself at mass without my missal. Rather than struggle with an unfamiliar missal, I assist at mass with my eyes. The whole drama of salvation is renewed on the altar in movement and gesture! Can the NO do that?
Well said! So many who have rediscovered tradition agree.Sacred spaces, WORSHIP, reverence shared with other people who want to this encounter with our Lord, each in our own space but as one. Every catholic needs to experience this not to prove a point but for their own spiritual welfare.
He is so right about these things. Michael Davies said they tried to cut out everything that smacks of sacrifice, including the sacrificing priest. Just compare the Novus Ordo Confiteor with the traditional. Where is the sacrificing priest? He's not there. Watered down, just as he said, and much of it eliminated entirely.
Thank you for for posting this it gives me so much hope !! 💗 everyone who loves to here what saintly Bishop sounds like should listen to Bishop Donald Sanborn!! You will not be disappointed!!
The closest is an hour drive away. So 2.5 hours driving to go to Mass. I don't think we could manage that every Sunday. But since going for the second time in my life about 6 weeks ago I can't stop wanting it over the NO we attend every week. It was an hour and a half of pure joy.
You took all of the words out of my mouth and reworded them much more eloquently, and added things that had only registered in my subconscious mind. 👏🏻✝️ I got to experience the TLM for the first time three years ago, and I was reduced to uncontrolled sobbing by its solemnity and beauty. 😭❤️ “… a certain man dressed in white…” 🤣 At my parish: • my current pastor is a Benedictine who says the TLM and a very reverent ad Deum Novus Ordo Mass • communicants receive Communion while kneeling, mostly on the tongue • there is more lay participation in the TLM than in the Novus Ordo Mass • the Novus Ordo Mass has more lay participation than I’ve ever seen at any non-TLM parish (and I’ve attended Mass at several)
Check out "What Catholics Believe" channel. Although some Catholics may argue these are splintered groups, not following the pope, etc., one has to admit, at the risk of sounding redundant, this priest is extremely Catholic. I'm referring to Fr. William Jenkins. Peace.
Wow that was amazing. What an excellent explanation. I experienced everything you said walking into work for the first time since I was a child they stop doing it. Once you go back to that Latin mass there’s no turning back. Notice the auto just doesn’t do it for me.
So Wonderful To Listen to YOUR TEACHING! I PRAY THESE TRUE WORD'S; ENLIGHTEN ALL WHO LISTEN TO THEM! FOR SAD IS MY HEART; FROM HOW MY BEAUTIFUL TRINITY and MOTHER HAVE BEEN SO ABUSED FOR SUCH A LONG TIME NOW! BUT; As I Had Said back in 2011; on my Facebook page! " This Is The Crusifixion of The Churches!" Now I Say; They May Take Our Lord Out of The Building's; But NEVER OUT OF OUR TEMPLES! (OUR HEARTS and SOUL'S) The Lord Shall Keep His Remnant ALIVE; Till He Returns!
43:58 Pentecost is the 2nd Most Solemn feast in Holy Mother Church. Epiphany is 3rd. Corpus Christi is 4th. Ascension Thursday is 5th. Then comes Christmas at 6th. The Nativity of St John the Baptist is 7th, and Sts Peter and Paul is 8th. All Saints is 9th. The Immaculate Conception 10th, the Assumption 11th, and Michaelmass 12th.
@@jonwood431 The Traditional Roman Missal, in its instructions for priests concerning overlapping feasts and octaves. (Most priests rely on a yearly publication called the "Ordo", so they don't even know these instructions exist.)
Funny I was just thinking Latin prays and the mass should be taught, should at least be taught in catechism classes along with the Baltimore catechism.
It’s important to contemplate…How does God want to be worshipped? Does God want to be worshipped like the early Church Fathers who were in direct contact with the Apostles? Or…a “new” way of worshipping God? All I know is that since the 1960’s when the “new” Mass was introduced that the belief in the Eucharist has dropped significantly and the abandonment of the Catholic Faith is the fastest growing denomination…those are factual Truths!
BINGO!........And that's been the plan all along . The enemies of Christ know they don't have a snowballs chance in he'll against the Latin Mass and the Eucharist , and so the all out sustained attack . It's worked . For now .
Read of the miraculous events at Garabandal, Spain. There is a clear prophesy that the proclaiming of the Novo Ordo of Mass by Paul VI is a great miracle which will bring the Church safely through the '..Valley of Death..' which is foretold in the Psalms.
What do you mean “ if our lives allow it…“???! Our family moved across the country, and where we landed was decided on where there was a strong traditional Catholic community. We are not wealthy. But we know what matters to the faith life of our souls and especially those of our children. There is no “if“ about it. Either we are Christians or we are not. The Novus ordo is not.
A friend recently described the difference between the TLM and the NO as the difference between the Big Leagues and Triple A. I protested, saying that would be the difference if you compared the TLM to the Mass of Vatican II as prescribed. Priest facing East, Latin, etc... What we commonly have in the NO is not that, as our general experiences, and further, any waltz down the abuses chronicled on the internet will attest. With these in mind, I told him I thought the comparison would be more apt to compare the 1927 Yankees to The Bad News Bears.
47:26 The Traditional Mass is the Rite of St Peter. It has not changed from Apostolic times but only suffered additions and accretions that were legislated into the rubrics. Some optional, nonessential parts withered away, and at any event were never the universal custom of Holy Mother Church. But in any event never did any legislation demand abbreviation of prayers or ceremonies.
Please send a copy of your speech to the POPE AND ARCHBISHOPS AND BISHOPS ! If they are truly holy men they will heed.... you have beautifully illuminated the worthiness of the old mass and the need for a deeper Union with GOD thru the holiness of such a mass... the “REVERENCE “ is unmistakable in the Latin mass... the Catholic Church is losing its children because it’s been so watered down ... because of its deviations the faithful are losing their faith and in the end there will be a reckoning with GOD ⚜️
God Bless! Pray I can go to Latin mass everyday and my mon convert and take me and take herself please. And to make good new practicing Catholic friends I can go to mass, adoration, serve and prayer with. Spread and preservation of Latin mass throughout the world. To make a good holy confession and for my priest. To be absolved for every sin. For my Goddaughter Autumn Diaz and her family to convert to Catholicism and tlm mass especially them my family, friends and future husband. Amen 🙏❤
What do you think of a new Parish Priest deciding for his self to eliminate Christmas Midnight Mass with no reason given. I have been a parishioner for 46 yrs and we have had bad priests but this priest is very arrogant when he is questioned. I am heartbroken and will go to Midnight Mass at another Parish 15 mins. away, even though I live 2 houses from my own Parish Church.
15 minutes away? Do you think that is a struggle? We pass 15 churches on our our drive every Sunday with our three small children to go to a proper traditional mass.
If it comes to a choice between the "Traditional Latin Mass" (The Mass) and the so-called new mass, there can only be one choice: The Mass. The other is not a Mass and is invalid.
Dr. Kwasniewski, since, as you so aptly point out, the differences between the NO and the Traditional Mass go to the root, and since the NO is "inspired by a false theology", how can it be said that the NO and the Traditional Mass are two forms of the same thing? And can the NO even be properly called a Mass?
I agree that the TLM and the NOM are not, and cannot be, "two forms" of the same rite. See my two articles on this subject: rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2020/09/two-forms-of-roman-rite-liturgical-fact.html rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2019/11/on-fiftieth-anniversary-of-novus-ordo.html I do accept the bare validity of the NOM, for reasons argued in this lecture: www.newliturgicalmovement.org/2020/11/the-four-qualities-of-liturgy-validity.html
@@DrKwasniewski I really appreciate what you wrote in the two references, thank you for those links! I'd very much appreciate what you think about this: In its 22nd Session, the Council of Trent dogmatically defined the Mass as the unbloody sacrifice of the Cross. As you've stated that "the Novus Ordo represents the first liturgy in the Church's history that repudiates an oblative offertory...etc". In addition, it's certain that the Novus Ordo was designed intentionally to incorporate the liturgical elements of Protestants who reject the sacrificial nature of the Mass. The Catechism of the Council of Trent distinguishes between Sacrifice and Sacrament. Following the principle of 'you don't receive because you don't ask', doesn't the explicit exclusion of the sacrificial nature of the Novus Ordo constitute an implicit denial of the sacrifice of the Mass and render it in its essence a "prayer service or paraliturgy with a consecration"? (To apply your terminology.) In other words, to be a Mass it must explicitly contain an invocation of the unbloody sacrifice of the Cross and since the Novus Ordo does not, it cannot properly be a Mass, regardless of what it is called - even by the highest authority.
Yes - it's true the audience questions can't be heard. Their mic wasn't working. However, one can hear my answers and pretty much infer what the question was about.
The churches in our area recently stopped celebrating the Latin Mass, after additional restrictions were placed on the Tridentine Mass. The NO mass in this area is irreverent to the point where it feels like it borders on blasphemy. I increasingly feel like the Roman Catholic church the way it exists presently, in 2022, is not my home.
Could anybody kindly tell me if the Traditional Latin Mass attended by Church Militant is celebrated "Una Cum" or "Non Cum"? Thanks in advance for Your kind attention.
It's about time that the traditional Latin Mass is properly explained for those who might like to join the Catholic church. In my mind the Novus Ordo Mass is a complete waste of time. it is entirely void of Christian Spirituality. There is no respect shown at communion for the body and blood of Christ.
26:55 Before waxing too poetic about the advantages of the Faithful reading the Canon be it known that prior to the revolutionary pontificate of Pius X Canon Law expressly forbade the publication of the Sacred Canon in any vernacular language but insisted it always be inscribed in the venerable ancient Latin- a language which the Holy Ghost "killed" just for this purpose.
Yes, that's true. But who ever said that there could not be mistaken attitudes or opinions informing such earlier decisions? I cannot see a single good reason to not inform Catholics of what the texts of the liturgy are saying.
@@DrKwasniewski Even less nowadays! These people who start judging without control end losing the faith. Another colateral damage of the crisis of authority. Don't mind someone who call S. Pius X a revolutionary while using a pseudonym himself. Let's just pray for them.
Beautiful! Thank you for the great articulation! I have begun to feel like there is a giant field with 2 pastures fenced off from one another. One pasture is green and lush and healthy for the sheep, the other pasture is brown with a little bit of green, not as lush and healthy as the other pasture. For some reason the shepherd has locked us out of the healthy pasture and left us in the brownish low quality one. The only reason that makes any sense to me is that the true head shepherd is hardening us off, and slowing growth of new shoots, like a farmer hardening off his wheat in the fall before harvest.
@@DrKwasniewski Such earlier decisions come from the Council of Trent and some of the popes subsequent to that council. Not that either the council of Trent nor any sound doctor would want the faithful ignorant of the prayers of the Holy Canon, it is just that the faithful following the priest at Mass was discouraged in the East by the Iconostasis and in the West by the Roodscreen and the entourage of the sanctuary. It must be recalled also that the average American's perception of the Traditonal Mass is a relic of the persecution of Protestant England. Before Henry VIII virtually no such thing as "Low Mass" existed. The idea of "praying the Mass with the priest" has led many to the mistaken notion that somehow his "participation" "adds" to the Mass. It cannot be argued but that the introduction of vernacular missals led to Pius XII's "dialog Mass" which led in turn to the Novus Ordo. But don't get me wrong. This talk, and many others you give, are very informative and I quite agree with the vast majority of what you present. By all means keep up the good work. As for the rest I'm sure Our Lady and her Divine Spouse will work it out.
46:00 The liturgical calendar is a foundation for the ordering of life. Its cycle of fasts and feasts is continuous and overlapping. But Pius X somehow felt it overburdened modern man. He removed a dozen feasts and fasts claiming that men needed more time for labor and to plant. Obviously, his legislation was tragic for Holy Mother Church. Good Grief, London has more bank holidays than Holy Mother Church ever had feastdays. So much for laboring and agriculture.
Nice comments but isn't it the Jewish Passover Prayers said in the Temple in Jerusalem that Jesus attended with His Apostles on the night He was betrayed that are Perpetual and cant be changed. The Temple came down because it was the end of the Symbolic Lamb sacrifice.
16:00 The "Faithful" "participate" in the Mass even less than the fans at a baseball game. Even the priest does not "participate" in the Mass (as such), any more than he could "participate" with Our Lord Jesus Christ on the Cross. (It is true that St Paul said we fill up in our own sufferings what is "lacking" in the sufferings of Christ, but this is an accidental, as distinguished from an essential participation.) Our Lord Jesus Christ is both Priest and Victim at Holy Mass, which is why the priest strives to suppress his own individuality and immerse himself in the rubrics.
I would love to have Pope Francis sit and listen to this entire presentation, then rebut with why the Novus Ordo is now the only valid mass. His predictably vapid reply would be quite entertaining in its stupidity, then infuriating.
I find it best to ignore the apostate, Bergolio. The following site: lists his heresies, blasphemies and sacrileges: denzinger/bergolio. I urge you to look up the APPROVED apparitions of Our Lady: Fatima, Quito, Ecuador and La Sallette. The current chastisement of wolves in sheep's clothing was prophesied by the Blessed Virgin in all of these. Please pray your Rosary DAILY.
I don’t want to judge which mass is more holier, I wish I could go to mass everyday, just so I can receive Holy Communion (body of Christ) always and just be connected and worship our Lord Savior, The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit always. I usually go to mass then go straight to the Eucharist Adoration
We drive 1.5 hours one way to assist at Holy Mass every Sunday and Holy days. You have to look and want to serve God with your whole heart. Tell me where you live and I will send you the nearest Holy Mass.
The only flaw is the perhaps naievity... humm... not quite right -- it might be an attitude of kindness to the sincere ignorant -- regarding the origin of Novus Ordo Missae.
I am very well aware of the dubious origins of the Novus Ordo, but (a) it's important to invite with kindness and (b) one can only do so much in an hour's lecture.
@@billyhw99 I am assuming we watched the same thing. I was interested in being able to defend the pre-1970 missal to friends, but I did not find anything I could use in this talk. Just because someone says something I agree with, doesn't mean they gave justification for it. Dr. K didn't give any good reasons, he just gave a bunch of nice sounding ideas that are veugely connected, but not specific to, or intrinsic of, the Mass according to his liking. I would love if he had real reasons for the assertions he makes. But maybe I will have to find a different talk of his.
I have given many talks. You will probably get more out of others, like: ruclips.net/video/OhB1IQ268mo/видео.html or ruclips.net/video/4dho9JYK1zc/видео.html
As a convert I noticed the N.O. seemed very much a man-centered liberal Protestant mish-mash. I don’t see any youth, the songs are cringe, it’s a complete waste of time. The TLM changed me forever, there is no going back.
TruthSeeker you’re absolutely right. NO is a protestantized version created by Bsp. Bugnini, a Mason. W/his prorestant minister friends, so it is more like a fellowship. a community meal, rather than the focus on worship, honor and glory of God, a bloodless sacrifice, reverent and prayerful
Peter latin mass accompanied with a small choir is uplifting . Without the choir its a little voyeuristic. Although I do get a lot of praying done. . The calendar variation is criminal . The sermons are way Better in with the latin mass priests i believe the eucharist changes into the body of christ in the latin mass not the NO
This latest round of restrictions amounts to totally crushing the life out of the charitable and very knowledgeable Benedict XVI as well as being a blow to the wisdom of Sacred Tradition, casting both it and him aside. I'm afraid some of this, however, almost certainly may have been brought on by Trads increasingly going beyond objective analysis (the kind which Ratzinger / BVI admirably showed always) into constant tirades provoking Progressivist malice, instead of humbly and quietly laying low until the storm passes.
No, I disagree. There are very grave problems in the Catholic Church and the traditionalists are doing what needs to be done: diagnosing them and proposing remedies. And for this they are slammed by the corrupt prelates who benefit from those very problems.
Also, since I am newer to TLM, I can't stop talking about it and have invited several friends. I feel like the woman who lost her coin and when she found it again she invited her neighbors to celebrate!
ruclips.net/video/XcG733oDZ58/видео.html.
Me too
My first Latin Mass was the Sunday after the Motu Proprio. I used an old Missal from the 50s that someone gave me after finding it in his grandfather's belongings after his death. I was lost but loved it. I have gone almost every Sunday since.
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Each day, more and more return!
Let us help them and those whom have yet to.
God bless
I stopped attending Mass on a regular basis for decades. However, it was on a feast day, dedicated to Our Lady, that I happened to stumble upon a beautiful, stirring and luminous, Latin Mass. The rite was so encompassing and deeply impressionable to all my senses, that it ushered me back into the Church. I site my personal redemptive return to the traditional Catholic Church, via the TLM. And that my friends, proved a mysterious, mystical, miracle in itself. God is good and great!
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What an inspiring talk; I grew up in the Latin Mass, and have long missed it. This talk took me back. Thank you for this talk.
It's still around and growing, if you look for it. God bless.
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Bring back our traditional Latin mass
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I live in Staten Island, NY and there is not a TLM in this borough although the priest here celebrates the NO reverently. I try to get into the Manhattan for a TLM once a month. The difference between the two masses is worlds apart, the liturgy, dress code, music, reverence, the smell of incense, real wax candles, confessions before mass. LOVE IT!
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Holy Innocents is a gem.
@@TruthSeeker-333 Wonder what Dolan’s gonna do with the Moto Propio?
@@kathycarpenito I hope nothing. Sad what’s happening to the Church.
I grew up Lutheran. Started going to novos ordo for two years, saw Dr. Taylor Marshall on RUclips and he recommended going to a Latin mass. Since then my fiancé and I have been going ever since and I can’t get enough of it. Thank you for your video, I have subscribed 👍
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Brilliant as usual. I had the pleasure of meeting Dr Kwasniewski at the Catholic Identity Conference last October in Pittsburg after hearing him speak there too.
He’s definitely a blessing for Holy Mother Church.
The TLM takes me back to the Lutheran Liturgy which nourished me and my pastorate until they went crazy, trashed it, and I escaped to Rome.
The Lord was calling me to the Latin Mass for so long and I was reticent to go with regularity. Thanks be to God we had a pandemic and I, as a daily communicant, became frantic when all the sacraments came to an end at my novus ordo parish. Thankfully my Latin Mass friends said, "If you want to receive Our Lord, go here..." and there I did go. I will never leave the Latin Mass, never, ever. Thank you Peter for all that you are doing to make this beautiful gift known and loved, may God bless you richly for your efforts, thank you, thank you.
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I thank God for your detailed, filled of fervor explanation of The Sacred Mystery of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass!
I really needed this lecture, he says what I want to say🙏🌹
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I have only been going for a year since discovering that while all the other churches are closed because of the plandemic, the Latin Rite gives communion on the tongue. It has always been a spine tingling experience and get goose bumps especially when I kneel to receive our Lord. I’m still learning but I definitely found my home😇🙏😊
A fantastic talk I will share widely. Thank you so much, Dr. K., for helping me remember and intellectualize what i grew up experiencing
Brilliant mind, soul, heart ...etc. Latin Mass is holy!
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Yep.
According to Vatican II's Sacrosanctum Concilium, the Novus Ordo is still normative in Latin. The vernacular is the option. It is up to priests and laity to work for a return to Latin in the reformed liturgy.
Traditional Latin Mass is celebrated in Philippines during the 50's snd 60's till l migrated here in America that change the mass in english, thank God that Latin Mass is back at our church during Sundays at St. Anthony's Catholic Church, El Segundo CA. Feel the solemnity and so peaceful with the presence of God. Praise the Lord🙏🙏🙏
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When the Spanish friars said holy mass in 1521 ln the Philippines was in latin until 1969. Not only 50s or 60s as you claimed .
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I Must Tell You; I am 7th born of 10 children. And my Parents had a Second Conversion after my Father's Cousin had brought to them So Much Information About OUR LADY Of FATIMA! It Literally Changed Their Lives! They went from only having Two Children; to living totally for God and Having 10 Children! Not moving to Florida as My Dad Could Move With his job; as a City Fireman! They had Our House Enthroned and We Prayed The Family Rosary! I will Always Cherish The Memories of standing next to my Dad; who was 6'4"; at MASS; when I was very very young! My Father Never Accepted Vatican Two and ALL of The Changes in The Most Holy Sacrifice of the Mass! I also quite fondly remember The May Procession and the Crowning of OUR LADY Celebration at Mass! I became My Father's Living Witness to All He Did So Fervently Believe was Taken Away and So Radically CHANGED IN THE MASS; by THE MODERNIST!!! As I would So Often Hear; GOD DOES NOT CHANGE; HE REMAINS THE SAME; YESTERDAY TODAY and TOMORROW!!! As I Entered Saint Anthony's High School. I was being taught; that The BIBLE Was Just a bunch of nice stories. They were not Really True; but we're told to kinda help explain our faith in story form!!!! I was getting headaches and would lay down after walking home from school! I really never fared well at school anyway! But This Was Causing me to have trouble with my nerves! EVERYTHING MY Dad Would Teach us after every Mass; we had the Traditional Sunday Bakery goods and Always Gather together. Our table was akin to The Last Supper painting my Mom did! And it hung on our dinning room wall. All 12 of us would gather round and listen to my Father's Talk on The Sunday Mass! NOW; Everything He Had taught me; was Now Suddenly being explained away as JUST NICE STORIES! It was originally very hard for my Parents to Believe that I was being so brutally beaten by my first grade nun. Whipped actually, until I had come home with very red welts on the backs of my legs. And wet socks from the Shock of The Yard stick whipping my bare little legs! I was the shyest child in my class; for year's! And just couldn't figure out why she insisted on beating me for one reason or another! Well; I eventually figured it out! But as is with life; Ever figuring things out! But Yes! I was born in February 1958! And I Would Also Just like to ADD; Now We Can Clearly See What The Real 3rd SECRET of FATIMA WAS! Pertaining to The SMOKE OF SATAN; ENTERING THE CHURCH BACK THEN! I at only 5 year's old, had a dream vision; I was taken at midnight; across from my Church; I so dearly Loved very young! And was watching rows of dark hooded men; all coming in double rows; down the side street and around the corner and right up into the Church! I was made to understand these particular men; were INFILTRATORS! Entering the Catholic TRUE CHURCH; SOLELY TO DO EXACTLY WHAT THEY HAVE Been Trying to do now FOR A LIFETIME of My finding out! As much later in my life; I was given a book; written by a Priest; who was just one of these many men the Lord had shown me that night. It was quite riveting to say the least! I had 4 Children by then; they are my life under My God! But This reading of this particular book; so angered the devil!!! That He has hated what I had found out so much. He had chased me; my entire life it seems! Even before I read it! But much more intently after, he hates THE TRUTH Being FOUND OUT! BUT OUR PROTECTIVE FATHER IS SO GOOD TO US! TRUST HIM and BELIEVE! BELIEVE IN THE MIGHTY POWER IN JUST THE BLESSING IN LATIN; when he tries to inflict anything on You! Amen! Extremely WONDERFUL TEACHING ABOUT THE TRUE SACRIFICE OF THE HOLY MASS! GOD IS A GOD OF RULES IN THIS LIFE! HE IS A GOD OF OBEDIENCE and ORDER! HE DOESN'T CHANGE! HE REMAINS THE SAME YESTERDAY TODAY and TOMORROW! AMEN!
Thank you for your beautiful witness…i did not know TLM until a few months ago and now i understand…i cannot do NOvus Ordo Mass anymore…i
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Thank you, thank you! A beautiful summary of the Mass of the Ages.
Just hearing this brings a spirit of worship up front and center. So many have been robbed of the sacred and the complete sense of worship. Never give it up...never!
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@@jonwood431 Excellent info right from ArchBishop Lefevre.
Thanks for sending. 🕯️
THIS is a masterpiece !
I'd LOVE to have this in writing.
Actually , I might have to transcribe it , norther how long it takes , to read and reread .
Such eloquently stated TRUTH !!!
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I just came back to the Catholic Church in April after having been away for twenty years started going to the tlm in June. All I can say is logos is rising
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As a homeschooler, I have been really underwhelmed by the Latin programs available. This would be a wonderful ministry for someone!
Wonderful talk. Thank you. TLM speaks to my soul in ways NOM seldom could.
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PK you are a treasure for traditional Catholics. I grew up with the Latin Mass as a young schoolgirl and after the changes many of us did not see the serious changes except that one of my sons called the new mass a microwave mass. I still preferred to go to TLM wherever it was. I had no strong opinions until this pope put a wrench on it and I had a chance to learn more. Thank you for your efforts to explain this to the rest of us!
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My Latin missals (either the Baronius Press or Fr. Lessance) go with me when I attend a NO mass. I read the prayers before Mass and the ones specifically before receiving Communion. I will of course pay attention to the readings and homily and most definitely during the Consecration. Prior to lining up for Communion (in a state of grace of course, after going to confession) I’ll recite the confetior silently. After receiving and using my own words to pray, I’ll read prayers after Communion. Usually the music during these masses range from boring to cringe, but reading those short prayers helps me focus on conversing with the Lord instead of the fluff going on around me.
Have you ever noticed that the reading from a Latin missal bears no resemblance to the readings in a New Order missal?
@@glennso47 Yes. I have a missal for the NO that I bring also....it was given to me ironically as a Christmas gift. The person who gave it to me is very kind hearted family member who couldn’t understand why I had a Latin missal with me even after I explained my reasons for bringing it to the NO mass. She most likely felt bad that I couldn’t follow along during the NO mass she attended with me and my wife.
I just described the NO as that the other day. FLUFFY.
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The music has been uniformly cringe in every NO mass I've been to in my life.
JMJ+ Your talks are always enjoyable and educational, but it would be very nice to be able to hear the audience participation and questions. The TLM is beautiful and the prayers of the ancients are so needed today. The Mass is for and about GOD, not man, but the Novis Ordo just doesn't seem to get that point.... Even a Latin N. O. just doesn't work..... GOD help YOUR Church to heal and become unified in the Liturgy and Eucharist...................
This lecture is poetry! Thank you!
And so is the Latin Mass. ❤️
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Thank you Professor Kwasniewski for your work! Excellent discussion!
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"Given the choice..." Well, actually, there is no choice. The Modernist Anibale Bugnini, the primary author of the Novus Ordo, kept in his new creation the very minimum so that it could be defended as being valid, but even though the NO Mass might, perhaps, be valid, I must, Must, MUST not endanger my soul by attending at it.
@juleous camper For the Mass to be valid the Sacrament, which is its purpose and central action, must also be confected validly. If the Sacrament is not valid, the Mass is not valid. What is required for valid confection of the Sacrament is a) a validly ordained Priest, b) valid matter (i.e. -- wheaten bread), c) valid form (proper words -- in this case the words Jesus spoke when He first consecrated the Sacrament), d) proper intention of the minister of the Sacrament. A fault in any one of these can mean that the bread does not, in fact, become the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Our Lord Jesus Christ, but remains only a piece of bread of little or no real value.
Great lecture. I've been attending Sunday TLM high mass for the last few months. Had to attend NO today at same church and same priest. I hate to say that mass was boring, but it was boring and it just felt weird. I can't believe I endured the NO for all my 49 years. The sung Our Father is about the most beautiful and there was no beautiful music. Most people stood before the kneelers for communion in the hand and there were a few of us women with veils who knelt and received on the tongue. It almost didn't seem like the same church, but it was a different crowd with a different feeling. I will keep going to TLM. I feel I've learned so much in these few short months. I was first confirmed in 2019 and my intention was not to remain stagnant. I'm so grateful the Holy Spirit has lead me to TLM. I probably wouldn't have even known about TLM if it weren't for the lockouts. The Lord works in mysterious ways.
You know Mikki....I'm pretty much a raging lunatic when it comes to Bogus Or do Catholicism
And then when the TLM crowd posts , all my rage evaporates ......
Hmmm....
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Thanks, Dr K.
Praise God forever in Latin Mass. We should be given a choice! Stay strong laity for Latin Mass is spiritually enriching across the world! Please, keep on the program alive for it draws people to faith in JESUS CHRIST- TRUTH.
So magnificent that I'm listening again in case I missed a word. I am so grateful to God that I found a SSPX chapel close to home.
I’d heavily suggest finding a TLM chapel in regular canonical status with Rome.
@@Leocomander Rome is the problem. The black Jesuit pope control Roma
@@glo8778 don’t leave the barque of Peter because of men. There have been many unholy popes in the churches history, reason still to stay with Holy Mother Church.
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Thank you, Dr. Peter Kwasniewski. The very relevant insistence on stability, constancy, permanence, in a specifically (traditional) liturgical-ritual setting, is far more decisive than many are led to believe.
Hence the nefarious effects of the liturgical “reform” were multiplied by the liturgical revolutionaries imposing change after change, in a constant instability during the “Missa Normativa” (!) experimentations from 1963-1969.
By the promulgation of the Novus Ordo in 1969, Catholics were already dizzied with unstable liturgy, which is why so many find “the Eucharist” boring unless all sorts of anthropocentric entertainments take place.
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Thank You, we started two years to go home to the Latin Mass🙏❤️
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Thank you Latin Mass is spiritually profound in Jesus Christ. I love your integrated wisdom of our Latin Mass. . Keep telling the Vatican about this is significant.
God bless you Dr. K
TLM brought me back to the Legion of Mary 🌹 and the Sacred Heart of Jesus Christ ❤️❤️💖
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Thank you Dr. K. This information is desperately needed by all N-O adherents.
In Hoc Signo Vinces.
"Silence is a sort of spiritual prostration of the senses and human faculties." nice.
Praise God forever. Thank you for sharing ❤
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The Latin Mass is a sacred work of art. When I first came back to Catholicism after many years away, I went to both NO and TLM. After awhile I realized that the TLM shared my values so I only went to the LM thereafter. These are good talks to introduce people. It is not HARD! to understand TLM. The missals make it easy. One thing I read recently is that those trying to deny the TLM are going up against God. Pope Gregory V set it in stone years ago and warned that anyone who changed it risked the rath of Peter and Paul, not to mention God.
In the questions and answers section towards the end of this post the question about chanting came up. Let me assure you the Orthodox till this day chant the readings as it always was from the beginning of the church and before the Schism took place.
What a gift it is to find myself at mass without my missal. Rather than struggle with an unfamiliar missal, I assist at mass with my eyes. The whole drama of salvation is renewed on the altar in movement and gesture! Can the NO do that?
Beautiful, I am thankful for this lecture
Glad it was helpful!
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Well said! So many who have rediscovered tradition agree.Sacred spaces, WORSHIP, reverence shared with other people who want to this encounter with our Lord, each in our own space but as one. Every catholic needs to experience this not to prove a point but for their own spiritual welfare.
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Great work! For people need information to support their faith and fix ourselves in TRUTH JESUS CHRIST.
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How inspiring! Thanks for the excellent talk ❤️
He is so right about these things. Michael Davies said they tried to cut out everything that smacks of sacrifice, including the sacrificing priest. Just compare the Novus Ordo Confiteor with the traditional. Where is the sacrificing priest? He's not there. Watered down, just as he said, and much of it eliminated entirely.
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This is the finest exposition and defense of the Traditional mass Ive ever heard.
Thank you for for posting this it gives me so much hope !! 💗 everyone who loves to here what saintly Bishop sounds like should listen to Bishop Donald Sanborn!! You will not be disappointed!!
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Please consider this Archbishop. A must listen to the end if you would like clarity.
The closest is an hour drive away. So 2.5 hours driving to go to Mass. I don't think we could manage that every Sunday. But since going for the second time in my life about 6 weeks ago I can't stop wanting it over the NO we attend every week. It was an hour and a half of pure joy.
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You took all of the words out of my mouth and reworded them much more eloquently, and added things that had only registered in my subconscious mind. 👏🏻✝️ I got to experience the TLM for the first time three years ago, and I was reduced to uncontrolled sobbing by its solemnity and beauty. 😭❤️
“… a certain man dressed in white…” 🤣
At my parish:
• my current pastor is a Benedictine who says the TLM and a very reverent ad Deum Novus Ordo Mass
• communicants receive Communion while kneeling, mostly on the tongue
• there is more lay participation in the TLM than in the Novus Ordo Mass
• the Novus Ordo Mass has more lay participation than I’ve ever seen at any non-TLM parish (and I’ve attended Mass at several)
Check out "What Catholics Believe" channel. Although some Catholics may argue these are splintered groups, not following the pope, etc., one has to admit, at the risk of sounding redundant, this priest is extremely Catholic. I'm referring to Fr. William Jenkins. Peace.
@@sadie4538 That’s one of numerous good ones that I’ve found.
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Beautiful discourse!
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Wow that was amazing. What an excellent explanation. I experienced everything you said walking into work for the first time since I was a child they stop doing it. Once you go back to that Latin mass there’s no turning back. Notice the auto just doesn’t do it for me.
It was supposed to say Novus Ordo instead of auto.
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Thanks lovely talk and so true
So Wonderful To Listen to YOUR TEACHING! I PRAY THESE TRUE WORD'S; ENLIGHTEN ALL WHO LISTEN TO THEM! FOR SAD IS MY HEART; FROM HOW MY BEAUTIFUL TRINITY and MOTHER HAVE BEEN SO ABUSED FOR SUCH A LONG TIME NOW! BUT; As I Had Said back in 2011; on my Facebook page! " This Is The Crusifixion of The Churches!" Now I Say; They May Take Our Lord Out of The Building's; But NEVER OUT OF OUR TEMPLES! (OUR HEARTS and SOUL'S) The Lord Shall Keep His Remnant ALIVE; Till He Returns!
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Magnifique!!!!
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@@jonwood431 Thank you!
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Pentecost is the 2nd Most Solemn feast in Holy Mother Church. Epiphany is 3rd. Corpus Christi is 4th. Ascension Thursday is 5th. Then comes Christmas at 6th. The Nativity of St John the Baptist is 7th, and Sts Peter and Paul is 8th. All Saints is 9th. The Immaculate Conception 10th, the Assumption 11th, and Michaelmass 12th.
What is your source?
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The Traditional Roman Missal, in its instructions for priests concerning overlapping feasts and octaves.
(Most priests rely on a yearly publication called the "Ordo", so they don't even know these instructions exist.)
Excellently said. Yes. This.
Tibi gratias ago pro explicatione tua mysterii inefabilis quod ego amo.
Oh yes Latin is for YT commenting like this one above not for the sacred sacraments.
Beautiful! Thank you.
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Novis Ordo Mass is Lutheran Mass
Thank you so beautiful
Truly a hero of mine
Funny I was just thinking Latin prays and the mass should be taught, should at least be taught in catechism classes along with the Baltimore catechism.
It’s important to contemplate…How does God want to be worshipped? Does God want to be worshipped like the early Church Fathers who were in direct contact with the Apostles? Or…a “new” way of worshipping God? All I know is that since the 1960’s when the “new” Mass was introduced that the belief in the Eucharist has dropped significantly and the abandonment of the Catholic Faith is the fastest growing denomination…those are factual Truths!
BINGO!........And that's been the plan all along . The enemies of Christ know they don't have a snowballs chance in he'll against the Latin Mass and the Eucharist , and so the all out sustained attack . It's worked . For now .
Read of the miraculous events at Garabandal, Spain. There is a clear prophesy that the proclaiming of the Novo Ordo of Mass by Paul VI is a great miracle which will bring the Church safely through the '..Valley of Death..' which is foretold in the Psalms.
the Mass liturgy should have never been changed in 1970
wonderful
Go get em Dr K !!!
*INSTAVRARE OMNIA IN CHRISTO*
What do you mean “ if our lives allow it…“???!
Our family moved across the country, and where we landed was decided on where there was a strong traditional Catholic community. We are not wealthy. But we know what matters to the faith life of our souls and especially those of our children.
There is no “if“ about it.
Either we are Christians or we are not.
The Novus ordo is not.
A friend recently described the difference between the TLM and the NO as the difference between the Big Leagues and Triple A. I protested, saying that would be the difference if you compared the TLM to the Mass of Vatican II as prescribed. Priest facing East, Latin, etc... What we commonly have in the NO is not that, as our general experiences, and further, any waltz down the abuses chronicled on the internet will attest. With these in mind, I told him I thought the comparison would be more apt to compare the 1927 Yankees to The Bad News Bears.
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The Traditional Mass is the Rite of St Peter. It has not changed from Apostolic times but only suffered additions and accretions that were legislated into the rubrics. Some optional, nonessential parts withered away, and at any event were never the universal custom of Holy Mother Church. But in any event never did any legislation demand abbreviation of prayers or ceremonies.
Please send a copy of your speech to the POPE AND ARCHBISHOPS AND BISHOPS ! If they are truly holy men they will heed.... you have beautifully illuminated the worthiness of the old mass and the need for a deeper Union with GOD thru the holiness of such a mass... the “REVERENCE “ is unmistakable in the Latin mass... the Catholic Church is losing its children because it’s been so watered down ... because of its deviations the faithful are losing their faith and in the end there will be a reckoning with GOD ⚜️
God Bless! Pray I can go to Latin mass everyday and my mon convert and take me and take herself please. And to make good new practicing Catholic friends I can go to mass, adoration, serve and prayer with. Spread and preservation of Latin mass throughout the world. To make a good holy confession and for my priest. To be absolved for every sin. For my Goddaughter Autumn Diaz and her family to convert to Catholicism and tlm mass especially them my family, friends and future husband. Amen 🙏❤
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What do you think of a new Parish Priest deciding for his self to eliminate Christmas Midnight Mass with no reason given. I have been a parishioner for 46 yrs and we have had bad priests but this priest is very arrogant when he is questioned. I am heartbroken and will go to Midnight Mass at another Parish 15 mins. away, even though I live 2 houses from my own Parish Church.
15 minutes away? Do you think that is a struggle? We pass 15 churches on our our drive every Sunday with our three small children to go to a proper traditional mass.
If it comes to a choice between the "Traditional Latin Mass" (The Mass) and the so-called new mass, there can only be one choice: The Mass. The other is not a Mass and is invalid.
Dr. Kwasniewski, since, as you so aptly point out, the differences between the NO and the Traditional Mass go to the root, and since the NO is "inspired by a false theology", how can it be said that the NO and the Traditional Mass are two forms of the same thing? And can the NO even be properly called a Mass?
I agree that the TLM and the NOM are not, and cannot be, "two forms" of the same rite. See my two articles on this subject:
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rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2019/11/on-fiftieth-anniversary-of-novus-ordo.html
I do accept the bare validity of the NOM, for reasons argued in this lecture:
www.newliturgicalmovement.org/2020/11/the-four-qualities-of-liturgy-validity.html
@@DrKwasniewski I really appreciate what you wrote in the two references, thank you for those links! I'd very much appreciate what you think about this: In its 22nd Session, the Council of Trent dogmatically defined the Mass as the unbloody sacrifice of the Cross. As you've stated that "the Novus Ordo represents the first liturgy in the Church's history that repudiates an oblative offertory...etc". In addition, it's certain that the Novus Ordo was designed intentionally to incorporate the liturgical elements of Protestants who reject the sacrificial nature of the Mass. The Catechism of the Council of Trent distinguishes between Sacrifice and Sacrament. Following the principle of 'you don't receive because you don't ask', doesn't the explicit exclusion of the sacrificial nature of the Novus Ordo constitute an implicit denial of the sacrifice of the Mass and render it in its essence a "prayer service or paraliturgy with a consecration"? (To apply your terminology.) In other words, to be a Mass it must explicitly contain an invocation of the unbloody sacrifice of the Cross and since the Novus Ordo does not, it cannot properly be a Mass, regardless of what it is called - even by the highest authority.
Viva Cristo Rey ♥️🙏✝️
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Yes - it's true the audience questions can't be heard. Their mic wasn't working. However, one can hear my answers and pretty much infer what the question was about.
The churches in our area recently stopped celebrating the Latin Mass, after additional restrictions were placed on the Tridentine Mass. The NO mass in this area is irreverent to the point where it feels like it borders on blasphemy. I increasingly feel like the Roman Catholic church the way it exists presently, in 2022, is not my home.
Could anybody kindly tell me if the Traditional Latin Mass attended by Church Militant is celebrated "Una Cum" or "Non Cum"? Thanks in advance for Your kind attention.
It's about time that the traditional Latin Mass is properly explained for those who might like to join the Catholic church. In my mind the Novus Ordo Mass is a complete waste of time. it is entirely void of Christian Spirituality. There is no respect shown at communion for the body and blood of Christ.
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Before waxing too poetic about the advantages of the Faithful reading the Canon be it known that prior to the revolutionary pontificate of Pius X Canon Law expressly forbade the publication of the Sacred Canon in any vernacular language but insisted it always be inscribed in the venerable ancient Latin- a language which the Holy Ghost "killed" just for this purpose.
Yes, that's true. But who ever said that there could not be mistaken attitudes or opinions informing such earlier decisions? I cannot see a single good reason to not inform Catholics of what the texts of the liturgy are saying.
@@DrKwasniewski Even less nowadays! These people who start judging without control end losing the faith. Another colateral damage of the crisis of authority. Don't mind someone who call S. Pius X a revolutionary while using a pseudonym himself. Let's just pray for them.
Beautiful! Thank you for the great articulation!
I have begun to feel like there is a giant field with 2 pastures fenced off from one another. One pasture is green and lush and healthy for the sheep, the other pasture is brown with a little bit of green, not as lush and healthy as the other pasture. For some reason the shepherd has locked us out of the healthy pasture and left us in the brownish low quality one. The only reason that makes any sense to me is that the true head shepherd is hardening us off, and slowing growth of new shoots, like a farmer hardening off his wheat in the fall before harvest.
@@DrKwasniewski
Such earlier decisions come from the Council of Trent and some of the popes subsequent to that council.
Not that either the council of Trent nor any sound doctor would want the faithful ignorant of the prayers of the Holy Canon, it is just that the faithful following the priest at Mass was discouraged in the East by the Iconostasis and in the West by the Roodscreen and the entourage of the sanctuary.
It must be recalled also that the average American's perception of the Traditonal Mass is a relic of the persecution of Protestant England. Before Henry VIII virtually no such thing as "Low Mass" existed.
The idea of "praying the Mass with the priest" has led many to the mistaken notion that somehow his "participation" "adds" to the Mass. It cannot be argued but that the introduction of vernacular missals led to Pius XII's "dialog Mass" which led in turn to the Novus Ordo.
But don't get me wrong. This talk, and many others you give, are very informative and I quite agree with the vast majority of what you present. By all means keep up the good work. As for the rest I'm sure Our Lady and her Divine Spouse will work it out.
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The liturgical calendar is a foundation for the ordering of life. Its cycle of fasts and feasts is continuous and overlapping. But Pius X somehow felt it overburdened modern man. He removed a dozen feasts and fasts claiming that men needed more time for labor and to plant.
Obviously, his legislation was tragic for Holy Mother Church. Good Grief, London has more bank holidays than Holy Mother Church ever had feastdays. So much for laboring and agriculture.
Nice comments but isn't it the Jewish Passover Prayers said in the Temple in Jerusalem that Jesus attended with His Apostles on the night He was betrayed that are Perpetual and cant be changed. The Temple came down because it was the end of the Symbolic Lamb sacrifice.
Which Missal do you use?
Make The Mass Latin Again!
Dominus vobiscum
ruclips.net/video/XcG733oDZ58/видео.html.
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The "Faithful" "participate" in the Mass even less than the fans at a baseball game. Even the priest does not "participate" in the Mass (as such), any more than he could "participate" with Our Lord Jesus Christ on the Cross. (It is true that St Paul said we fill up in our own sufferings what is "lacking" in the sufferings of Christ, but this is an accidental, as distinguished from an essential participation.) Our Lord Jesus Christ is both Priest and Victim at Holy Mass, which is why the priest strives to suppress his own individuality and immerse himself in the rubrics.
You are fighting over mere words. Even St. Paul talks about how we participate in the sufferings of Christ.
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If you think rocks are ancient you should be on my hill during a gully washer! It makes me appreciate the power of Noah's Flood.
I would love to have Pope Francis sit and listen to this entire presentation, then rebut with why the Novus Ordo is now the only valid mass. His predictably vapid reply would be quite entertaining in its stupidity, then infuriating.
I find it best to ignore the apostate, Bergolio. The following site: lists his heresies, blasphemies and sacrileges: denzinger/bergolio. I urge you to look up the APPROVED apparitions of Our Lady: Fatima, Quito, Ecuador and La Sallette. The current chastisement of wolves in sheep's clothing was prophesied by the Blessed Virgin in all of these. Please pray your Rosary DAILY.
I don’t want to judge which mass is more holier, I wish I could go to mass everyday, just so I can receive Holy Communion (body of Christ) always and just be connected and worship our Lord Savior, The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit always. I usually go to mass then go straight to the Eucharist Adoration
I’m 60
Been Catholic all my life
If there was a Latin mass near me
I would go every Sunday
ruclips.net/video/XcG733oDZ58/видео.html.
We drive 1.5 hours one way to assist at Holy Mass every Sunday and Holy days. You have to look and want to serve God with your whole heart. Tell me where you live and I will send you the nearest Holy Mass.
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The only flaw is the perhaps naievity... humm... not quite right -- it might be an attitude of kindness to the sincere ignorant -- regarding the origin of Novus Ordo Missae.
I am very well aware of the dubious origins of the Novus Ordo, but (a) it's important to invite with kindness and (b) one can only do so much in an hour's lecture.
@@DrKwasniewski ... and, it was very well done, indeed. Thank you.
You don't give an *specific* reasons to go to the Mass using the pre-1970 Missal.
You list a bunch of nice sounding platitudes.
Were you watching a different lecture than I was?
@@billyhw99 I am assuming we watched the same thing. I was interested in being able to defend the pre-1970 missal to friends, but I did not find anything I could use in this talk. Just because someone says something I agree with, doesn't mean they gave justification for it. Dr. K didn't give any good reasons, he just gave a bunch of nice sounding ideas that are veugely connected, but not specific to, or intrinsic of, the Mass according to his liking. I would love if he had real reasons for the assertions he makes. But maybe I will have to find a different talk of his.
I have given many talks. You will probably get more out of others, like:
ruclips.net/video/OhB1IQ268mo/видео.html
or
ruclips.net/video/4dho9JYK1zc/видео.html
As a convert I noticed the N.O. seemed very much a man-centered liberal Protestant mish-mash. I don’t see any youth, the songs are cringe, it’s a complete waste of time. The TLM changed me forever, there is no going back.
TruthSeeker you’re absolutely right. NO is a protestantized version created by Bsp. Bugnini, a Mason. W/his prorestant minister friends, so it is more like a fellowship. a community meal, rather than the focus on worship, honor and glory of God, a bloodless sacrifice, reverent and prayerful
Peter latin mass accompanied with a small choir is uplifting . Without the choir its a little voyeuristic. Although I do get a lot of praying done. . The calendar variation is criminal . The sermons are way Better in with the latin mass priests i believe the eucharist changes into the body of christ in the latin mass not the NO
This latest round of restrictions amounts to totally crushing the life out of the charitable and very knowledgeable Benedict XVI as well as being a blow to the wisdom of Sacred Tradition, casting both it and him aside. I'm afraid some of this, however, almost certainly may have been brought on by Trads increasingly going beyond objective analysis (the kind which Ratzinger / BVI admirably showed always) into constant tirades provoking Progressivist malice, instead of humbly and quietly laying low until the storm passes.
No, I disagree. There are very grave problems in the Catholic Church and the traditionalists are doing what needs to be done: diagnosing them and proposing remedies. And for this they are slammed by the corrupt prelates who benefit from those very problems.