Wow! What a great explanation of this issue! As an LDS convert and currently an inactive one, I have struggled with this issue for the whole eleven years since I was baptised...and soon after left the Church. Since discovering your RUclips channel I am finding a lot of my questions about LDS doctine are being answered...I am now re-reading the Scriptures with a positive 'faith' mindset rather than a negative 'doubt' mindset and I really am seeing a whole lot more than I ever did before and everything is starting to make sense now. I am preparing, in myself, to return to the LDS Church, sometime in the near future....just have to pluck up the courage to take that step.
Please, I’m begging you. Read the Bible, any modern English translation. Cover to cover. Use that as your lens to view all other churches and what they preach. Scripture above all else. It is the ultimate authority and you should measure what anyone else says with the weight of scripture. Old and New Testament. Not apocrypha, not bom, not d&c, not pearl of great price. Sola scriptura. Scripture alone.
How are things going, lately? I hope you've gone back to church. There is so much beauty and truth to be understood, but you will always be challenged in the process. When you're not being challenged, you're not really growing.
Also, remember how Jesus prayed in His intercessory prayer. He essentially says that He wants all the saints to be one like how He and the Father are one (He makes Himself clear, here). Now picture two saints being one...or three saints or four saints or 10 million saints. Becoming one does not mean they congeal into one form; that's not what Jesus prayed for, and that's not a factor for the eternal resting place of the faithful. If Jesus prayed for the saints to be one like how He and God the Father are one, Jesus and God the Father must be one (in mind, in purpose, etc.) but separated when it comes to physical nature, because WE (the saints) are separated in physical nature. Jesus prayed for people to be one and likens this idea to His own nature and the Father's also - their oneness, so God the Father has a body of flesh and bone.
The typical response by traditional Trinitarians is simply to say that the sense of "oneness" mentioned in John 17 is a different sense than the "oneness" between the members of the Trinity. But, they also have to point to an extra-biblical source to establish that second definition of "oneness" that they suppose is unique only to the Father, Son and Spirit.
That’s Jesus showing his disciples that he is resurrected bodily. He is flesh and bones, so you can touch him. This is to show the world that Jesus rose from the dead both body and spirit
@@DragonZlayerx12 Jesus is God. Therefore God has a body. If you want to suggest that after he returned to heaven he no longer has a body could you provide a scripture which might back that theory up? Thanks 🙂
Thanks for another video! I'm glad to have this spelled out in such simple terms. This video as well as the video about spirits mentioned has been very helpful.
Some of the confusion derives by the fact that in the scriptures the word God is used at times to indicate the Godhead ( Father, Son and Holy Ghost) collectively, while at other times is used to indicate the individual members of the Godhead. One example would be Genesis where God creates man in his own image, male and female. One may argue " if the word God can refer to more than one being simultaneously what about the use of the pronoun his, instead of their, in this verse?" One of my suppositions is that the Hebrew language prefers the use of the masculine when a collective term is used or it could be that since every member of the Godhaed is God and every member is male, than the use of the masculine singular pronoun is entirely appropriate. One may also ask " what about the female in the same Genesis verse, where does she come from? If God is a he and we're created in his image why aren't we all male. Latter Day doctrine explains that we do have a mother in heaven and that we are created in her image also. The modern day prophets have stated repeatedly that at this time all that the Father has chosen to reveal about the Heavenly Mother is that she exists.
I am still not sure I agree with this, but it certainly clarifies your perspective. I don't think that God needs to be "restricted" to a physical body. Just from a syllogistic point of view, if time, space and matter had a beginning, God would have to be timeless, spaceless and immaterial. To me this would imply no body. I take the verses of "walking with God", etc. as non-literal, and still remain on the fence about the John 4:24 passage. But I definitely appreciate the explanation and has given me something to think about.
It says explicitly in Genesis 1 that we are the image of God: 26 ¶ And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. Also Paul describes the Physical attributes of God in his letter to the Hebrews, in Hebrews 1: 1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; 3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; 4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. God does have a physical body but it is perfect and glorified. He is not restricted in his powers as we mortals are in our imperfect bodies. We, however, because of the Resurrection of Christ, will receive a perfect body that is not subject to the limitations of the flesh.
Technically a spirit body may be as visible as a physical one. The brother of Jared saw both the finger of the Lord and His spiritual body. The difference is in touching, as described by Joseph Smith.
It also should be noted that a few verses later it says that Moses could not see God's face directly or else he'd be killed by the glory of God. Implying that the form God took was somewhat lesser in order to protect Moses. So Moses got to see the back of God instead of looking him directly in the face.
I have been a Hugh Nibley fan. He explained it within an hour that as the church deteriorated they could not understand the cosmology of the spirit. All material things are evil therefore God cannot be material. And that was it. To say otherwise was blasphemous.
To find arguement over the meaning of scripture one need only turn to the book itself. The Pharisees and Sadducees are a prime example, and even within the church we have the apostles arguing about taking the gospel to the gentiles.
In Genesis chapter we learn that God says LER US MAKE MAN IN OUR OWN IMAGE.... His image or body is physical, hence we are physically made in his image.
Great video overall with one point of clarification. The JST John 4:24 is: "26 For unto such hath God promised his Spirit. And they who worship him, must worship in spirit and in truth." which provides a huge clarification over the verse that confuses so many Christians which says "God is a Spirit". God has a Spirit Body of Flesh and Bones but is not just a Spirit.
1Cor 15:50 Now this I say brethren that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does corruption inherit uncorruption. The glory of the heavenly bodies is different from the glory of the earthly bodies. 2 Cor 5:8 We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord. The Word of God has total authority over any book, it might be good if you respect His word!!
You explained Mormon doctrine pretty well here. Flesh and bones is different than flesh and blood. There is no LDS teaching of any heavenly body having flesh and blood or that they have the same glory as earthly bodies.
Does anyone here seen the small black book named "The Missionary Pal"? It is am awesome book that has many references of bible verses for great topics like nature of God etc. Sad i lost mine a long time ago. Good explanation as i have seen in that book thanks
Yes being a new member is wonderful I love being LDS best thing that ever happened to me I’m so grateful to Heavenly Father thank David for the videos I love u 🤟🏻 hermano 🙏🏼
@@_My_RUclips What possible incentive could there be for me to answer that? Unsolicited negative feedback (constructive or not) is more often than not, not welcome these days. But I do want this channel to know and him to know that the content he creates stands apart, because unsolicited positive feedback is pretty much always welcome.
@@SaneAsylum I was just curious, as I generally like most of their content, but I understand what you're saying. I disagree however that negative feedback isn't welcome (at least if it's shared tactfully). The hosts of this channel in particular seem like they're pretty open to all types of comments, both positive and negative.
I would also argue that God are those intangible characteristics being describe to him. Light, love, life, etc. This was a very Greek way of viewing things, in forms.
Not sure if you’ll ever see this comment, but it’s something that confuses me. If God is/was at some point of finer material, and spirits are material, how is it that he could have brought order to chaotic matter (God causing the “Big Bang”) and if all there is is material, wouldn’t that technically be saying God didn’t exist until the organization of chaotic matter? That seems paradoxical. By the way I am a faithful Latter-day Saint, this is just one thing that I can’t wrap my head around.
I believe that God is the essence of love. I take it literally. Just like He is the Light, He is also Love. 1John 4:7-8 says Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love. God is also the great and powerful I AM, which simply means self-existent. we take that literally, do we not?
I would agree with you that God is the perfect embodiment of the attribute of love. As for the phrase 'I AM,' which is most commonly found in the Old Testament, we believe this phrase to actually be in reference of Jesus Christ, who was the great Jehovah, the God of the Old Testament.
Isaiah saw God and lived to tell about it “Yeah”. Here are some more cool spirit characteristics. Isaiah 11: 1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: 2 And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord;…….
The JST corrects that passage of scripture, “26 For unto such hath God promised his Spirit. And they who worship him, must worship in spirit and in truth.” JST, John 4:26 God gave revelation to Joseph Smith and commended him to translate the Bible in which many plan and precious things was revealed and put back into his holy scriptures and many miss translations or lost doctrines restored. You should have shared that my dear brother. I love the revelations of God, he wants us to know and understand him. He wants us to know truth…
Uhh how about just say we are all spirit beings inside a corpse and I don't know any other way to communicate with our Father but by spirit because that's what we are without getting technical.
@Stock Raising lol (were) is the magic word because the people there did not know. So keep studying the scriptures and I'll pray for you to comprehend something lol. Saints all they way. And you say we're not Christians? Have you read the BOM it's all about Jesus Christ dude wake up 😆
@Stock Raising if you really want to learn something correct first get rid of the hate antimormon bs that fills your head next humble yourself ad a child that you may learn wisdom. Next have a true love for Heavenly things you know like our Heavenly father and Jesus Christ and just everyone this is when light fills your head then you'll be able to see things that were hidden other than that if you don't take them steps seriously I'm not replying anymore been there done that.
The Book of Mormon never says God has a body but it does say that God is a great spirit. Of all of the scriptures about Gods form only a single verse in D&C says he has a body.
Yep. But there are other scriptures that strongly suggest he has a body. I will simply paraphrase the ones that I can think of, off the top of my head, as you can easily look them up: -- Moses speaking with God "face to face." -- Christ being "in the expression image of [the Father's] person. -- The many visions of God "standing on the right hand of [the Father]." -- Christ's statement that if you have seen Him, you have seen the Father (which has multiple meanings, one of which is a reference to his being in the image of the Father). There are likely many others, but those are the ones I immediately thought of.
It doesn’t make sense that God would be a spirit if he were resurrected. If people believe in the resurrection of Jesus Christ, they cannot believe that he is a spirit. Unless they also believe that they are two separate beings that work in function as one. Honestly nothing makes sense except that God can go in and out of spirit and human form at His will and need.
Hold on. I want this explained. I am not a latter day saint, but I still believe that God has a body. 1Co 15:44 says that there are spiritual bodies. No where in the Bible does it say that God DOESN'T have a body. Genesis 5:1-3 says this as well: "This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created. And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:" I repeat, I am not a Latter-Day Saint. I am a Baptist.
You have very good questions, we believe that we had spirit bodies before birth and the spirit and body together is what we have now, when we die, we will not have our physical bodies until the resurrection, just like Jesus went to the world of spirits until His resurrection. See 41 Therefore the wicked remain as though there had been no redemption made, except it be the loosing of the bands of death; for behold, the day cometh that all shall rise from the dead and stand before God, and be judged according to their works. 42 Now, there is a death which is called a temporal death; and the death of Christ shall loose the bands of this temporal death, that all shall be raised from this temporal death. 43 The spirit and the body shall be reunited again in its perfect form; both limb and joint shall be restored to its proper frame, even as we now are at this time; and we shall be brought to stand before God, knowing even as we know now, and have a bright recollection of all our guilt. 44 Now, this restoration shall come to all, both old and young, both bond and free, both male and female, both the wicked and the righteous; and even there shall not so much as a hair of their heads be lost; but every thing shall be restored to its perfect frame, as it is now, or in the body, and shall be brought and be arraigned before the bar of Christ the Son, and God the Father, and the Holy Spirit, which is one Eternal God, to be judged according to their works, whether they be good or whether they be evil. 45 Now, behold, I have spoken unto you concerning the death of the mortal body, and also concerning the resurrection of the mortal body. I say unto you that this mortal body is raised to an immortal body, that is from death, even from the first death unto life, that they can die no more; their spirits uniting with their bodies, never to be divided; thus the whole becoming spiritual and immortal, that they can no more see corruption. Alma 11:41-45 www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/bofm/alma/11?id=p41-p45&lang=eng#p41
“There is a big difference between being a spirit and having a spirit. Jesus says that the Father is a spirit, not that the Father has a spirit; this means that he lacks a body entirely...he exists in eternity as pure spirit, even though he chose for the Son to also take on a human nature in addition to his bodiless, timeless, divine nature.” -Catholic Answers God bless! :)
But it doesnt say God is ONLY a spirit. Example. When i say, Brandon is a lawyer. He could also be a Farmer. There is hundreds of possibilities that he could be somebody else, unless i said Brandon is only a lwayer. If it says, God is a spirit without body of flesh and bones. Then the case is close. But No, Jesus has an immortal body of flesh and bones when He was resurrected. Read Luke 24:36-40 Jesus Christ and Heavenly Father are nearly identical in physical resemblance to the point of possibly being physically indistinguishable from each other Jesus “express image” of Father in physical likeness - Col. 1:15, 2 Cor. 4:4, Heb. 1:3, Philip. 2:6, John 12:45, 14:7-9,
And remember the Holy Spirit is a God also since He is a member of the Godhead. There is also possibility that particular verse is referring to the Holy Spirit. Since He doesnt have body of flesh and bones.
@@johnvillaflor2723 I think your reply is coming at a LDS point of view, which makes sense if you are a member of that church as where my response comes from the catholic point of view. The Catholic Church believes that God is Spirit as said in Scripture and then came down and took on flesh in the person of Jesus Christ. 1 God, 3 persons (God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit).
@@johnvillaflor2723 “Far removed is the Father of all from those things which operate among men, the affections and passions. He is simple, not composed of parts, without structure, altogether like and equal to himself alone. He is all mind, all spirit, all thought, all intelligence, all reason.” -St. Irenaeus [189 AD]
I have a question: why is G always portrayed as a white man? Serious question. Why is Jesus most always portrayed as a white Greek Roman man instead of a brown skinned Middle Eastern male?
God created the races. The black race is the mark of Cain's curse. This does not mean that blacks are the curse or are cursed, it simply means they are Cain's descendants. Its only a mark of distinction. Christ would not have come from the lines of Cain. Hagar, Abraham's servant was of the seed of Cain, and that is what makes up a lot of middle easterners.
Could you use this explanation to explain those who are transgender? I know two trans LDS members who use this to argue against the church's stance against those who are transgender.
There is the male and female classification only. One has always been male or female for all eternity. Our classification is as old as our intelligence is which is eternity.
@@thelinguistador8833 This is just not true. There are plenty of sources in Torah and Tanakh that contradict this specification, and moreso in Talmud. Not to mention texts belonging to may other cultures. What do you mean by "our"?
**Genuine question: In your religion, did God the Father create a body for himself, or did He always have one?** I have some problems in understanding your point of view, because, if I believed in something that has always existed, something that created the universe, and shapes, and forms, I cannot believe that **what came before everything** has a human form, or a gender. He created genders and dimensions, so how can God have genders or shapes? If God was formless in the beginning, how could he change if he's "immutable"/"unchanging"? Thank you in advance for anyone who may answer it.
@@gustavmahler1466 Think about that: "We don't know where God got his body from". God by his own nature can't change. There's no such a thing as "Today I have a body, today I don't". The original shape of God cannot have a form.
@@gustavmahler1466 Well, I am not a Muslim, but I would say "Yes". That doesn't mean that the "mind of Allah" is like a brain. It can't be like any mind Allah created, either. If it came before time, it can't even take time to think, it's instantaneous. (Allah just means God, which makes this comment funny to me)
I can’t believe glorified body is the same flesh and blood. It must be an evolved stardust flesh and blood substance. This, according to the difference among heaven kingdom and earth or stars kingdom.
A perfect and glorified body does not have blood, that is only a thing that we mortals have. Where there is blood there must be death. We too will receive perfect glorified bodies without the limitations and imperfections of our mortal bodies because of Jesus Christ's Resurrection.
Where does it teach in the Scriptures that the Father took on flesh? It says this only of the Son. (e.g. John 1:1-14) Only the Son could adequately represent God the Father in the flesh-if this wasn't the case, God the Father would have chosen to come down instead of Christ, but that's not what is said in the Scriptures, is it? "And the Word became flesh and took up residence among us, and we saw his glory, glory as of the one and only from the Father, full of grace and truth." (John 1:14) Repent for spreading this fallacious and abhorrent doctrine of man not found in the Scriptures. "You must not add to the word that I commanding you, and you shall not take away from it to keep the commands of Yahweh your God that I am commanding you ." (Deuteronomy 4:2)
The Son can do nothing by himself, but by which he seeth the Father do, that the Son also doeth . 'How can the servant of this my Lord speak with this my Lord' Daniel 10:17 Who is this other Lord who touched Daniel Physically on the lips and also helped Daniel Physically up to his feet? 10. And behold, an hand touched me, which set me upon my knees , and upon the palms of my hands. 16. And behold, one like unto the simultude of the sons of men touched my lips: then I opened my mouth. 18. Then there came again, and touched me one like the apperance of a man, and he strengthenthen me. We believe God the Father to be an exalted man with a perfect resurrected body of flesh and bones. And his son Jesus Christ to be a spirit man in his pre-earth state but after he was born on earth as Jesus and died to rise up and inherit a perfected resurrected body of flesh and bones the same as God His Father has. For he inherited his perfect glorious body from God his Father.. God upgraded his Son to become like him to dwell with him in glory. God will also upgrade the faithful saints to inherit the same resurrected bodies that they also have.
@@germanslice Exactly, the Will of the Son works in accord with the Will of the Father. However, Christ is not a slave of the Father, but His Son, and therefore has His own Will that is the unity with the Father. "And I have other sheep which are not from this fold. I must bring these also, and they will hear my voice, and they will become one flock-one shepherd.Because of this the Father loves me, because I lay down my life so that I may take possession of it again. No one takes it from me, but I lay it down voluntarily. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take possession of it again. This commandment I received from my Father.” You must not add to the word that I commanding you, and you shall not take away from it to keep the commands of Yahweh your God that I commanding you .
@@nathanwalsh6300 The Father and the Son both have immortal perfect bodies of flesh and bone but they also have got spirit bodies. This should not be a difficult thing to understand about God since Light has to have a source of energy to radiate out from.
@@germanslice God the Father does not have flesh and bones because He is Spirit. Luke 24:39 “Look at my hands and my feet, that I am I myself! Touch me and see, because a spirit does not have flesh and bones, as you see that I have.” You would have to add words to the Scriptures to say that God the Father has a body of flesh and bones like Jesus.
@@nathanwalsh6300 That's Not correct Christ has got a physical resurrected body of flesh and bones covering over his spirit. I don't need to because Jesus Christ was standing on the right hand of God when they both opened up the veil and showed Stephen their own resurrected bodies when he saw them.....You forget that both God the Father and the Son are both from the Glory of the Kingdom of the Sun.
No, different faiths do NOT have different ideas about what "spirit" is. Only mormonism makes these kinds of distinctions. Everyone else understands that "spirit" is really defined as a lack of materiality. Meaning not made of matter. Only materialistic polytheistic mormons think otherwise. Also the ENTIRE context of the John 4 is regarding the question of "where is God"? The woman is asking where is the appropriate place to go and worship God. The whole point of what Jesus tells her in context is that God is ONLY a spirit and is not to be localized. There is not one mountain or another where God is at and therefore to be worships there, because He is everywhere and He is everywhere because He cannot be localized in a body. He is spirit. No one denies the possibility of embodied spirits, that is what we are. That is not the question being asked at the well by the woman however, She is asking Jesus where is God and where should we go to worship Him? Jesus answers that He is not localized on this mountain or that, but He is spirit. The context clearly tells us that what Jesus is saying is that God is ONLY spirit. Otherwise He would exist in some place and locality. He does not.
Also it is important to point out that this view makes no sense of the incarnation. Why would Jesus need to be incarnated if God was already incarnate? Also this idea messes with the creation account and a bunch of other things. How could God have been corporeal before God created any material stuff? If God is physical then we have the infinity problem of where did God come from? The fact that God is immaterial is part of what qualifies Him to be the creator of all the other stuff, but if he is made up of stuff Himself then He requires creation as well. And a creature cannot be the creator. All of these problems and more just go to show that the boy Smith had no idea what he was talking about and made up things that logically cannot possibly follow.
Re-read the Bible and you''ll find that God the Father does have a physical body and is glorified. Jesus Christ before coming here to this earth had only a Spirit Body which is in the same image as a physical body. Spirit is composed of matter just as a physical body is, it is just finer. He came to earth and receive a physical body. When he died and was resurrected he received a perfect tangible body that is glorified. From the first chapter of Genesis to Revelations this doctrine is plainly taught.
@@thelinguistador8833 A hyper literal re-read of the Bible is not reading at all. Mormons do not allow for metaphor. When the Bible says that God's arm is doing something it is metaphorical. The boy Smith could not appreciate such things and being uneducated in literature took everything hyper-literally and PRESTO God has an arm. Mormons are believing in a child's hermeneutic. The term "Spirit Body" is a contradiction in terms. If spirit is composed of matter then where is it? Please locate for me one single spirit. If it is material then we should be able to put spirit, as you define it, under a microscope and see it. Please show me the slides. We are spirit, so where is our spirit? Show me the scientific study of spirit, since it is material then where is it at? If the claim is that it is material and made of matter then where is the scientific evidence of it. Like Mormon history, there is no evidence for any of it.
@@karcharias811 No you need to do a literal re-read of the Bible because your ignorance is outstanding. We as members of CHRIST"S Church can distinguish between metaphor and literal statements. The fact that Joseph Smith was uneducated and was able to teach things from revelation he received makes our case even stronger, in that we rely on modern revelation from God. Truth is we love the Bible but we can just do fine without it for we have the true doctrine of Christ taught exactly the way he taught it through the medium of revelation, whereas you are reliant on it without help or guidance from the Holy Spirit to define the true doctrines. Spirit Body is clearly taught in the Bible and actually by Christ himself, so re-read it. Spirit is of finer material than what we can see with our natural eyes unless your eyes have been quickened then you can see spiritual matter.
@@karcharias811 "Why would Jesus need to be incarnated if God was already incarnate?" It's not that God needed anything. Rather, we needed to understand the true nature of divinity and exaltation. To further clarify, Jesus actually came and demonstrated the process, by becoming an embodied spirit, dying, and being resurrected. "How could God have been corporeal before God created any material stuff?" This simply assumes traditional Christian metaphysics. It's only logically problematic by inserting those metaphysics. "If God is physical then we have the infinity problem of where did God come from?" Science actually says matter is eternal. What you see as material things is simply different configurations of eternal matter. ..."if he is made up of stuff Himself then He requires creation as well." The only thing humans conceive of that's not created of stuff, but still exists in the universe, is concepts--things that exist only in the mind. Does God just exist in your mind? Or does he actually exist in the universe?
@@Cryolyptic God's body is perfect and is not subject to the limitations of our mortal imperfect bodies. We too shall receive these perfect bodies because of Christ's resurrection. The Godhead is composed of the God the Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost and their purpose is to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man. They are one in purpose not in body. They are 3 distinct and perfect beings with physical perfect bodies. The Holy Ghost, however, has a body of Spirit but a body of Spirit is made in the same image of God as we were made in the same image of God.
@@Cryolyptic it makes perfect sense and its found all over the Bible. Jesus Christ was resurrected with a perfect human body. He ate fish and honey comb with his disciples. His apostles felt the marks on his hands, feet, and side. Christ has a perfect body that is not subject to mortal limitations. In hebrews 1:1-3, it explains the physical attributes of Christ, 1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; 3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high Our bodies currently are limited and imperfect but with the free gift of Christ we too shall receive a perfect bodies.
...Spirit is defined as breath, or wind or a strong exhalation in the strong's concordance. Where you get a physical body for God is strictly man made. God is Spirit is exactly what it means, spirit. An invisible force.
I find it funny how you keep saying if you Read it that way, then that is fine. But at the end you say will just be happy to disagree with them as if you are blowing them off and don’t care because that’s how you read it 😂. So what was the purpose of this video again? Lately your team been making videos and slamming Christain on what there Bible says without proving that you think there Bible is wrong. You think you have but really you haven’t. All you done is go around circles and say things that what you think there Bible says. Kinda defeats the purpose of these videos imo. But do whatever, it’s your time wasted trying to prove your point without actually proving your point.
Agreeing to disagree does allow each side to be "fine" with the other side. In other words, people can have opposing views but still be fine and respectful with each other. Disagreement does not equal disrespect.
David has repeatedly said that this video series is just him explaining his understanding of LDS beliefs. He isn't trying to change minds or prove anything, just explaining what the beliefs are.
There is a difference in explaining what LDS believe then explaining where you disagree. This video is greatly disagreeing with Christian other then just comparing and just saying how you yourself understand it. He may have said that his goal is just as you say, but if that is the case then keep it as such. That all I am saying. Don’t defeat your own purpose to these videos and keep on point to what you say you are trying to do. Not the other way around.
@@jacobmartin5182 So, because Latter-day Saint beliefs may be different than what others believe, he can't talk about them? Is he only allowed to share information that comes from inside of the Church or somehow doesn't show that there ARE differences in theological thought between Latter-day Saint beliefs and others? From my perspective, he is clearly laying out why Latter-day Saints believe what they do and uses lots of examples, from both inside and outside of the Church to do that. Is it wrong to share outside perspectives and show that mainstream Christianity has also had similar beliefs and ideas? How is that "slamming" other Christians? The only way that I can understand your criticism of this video is if it is because you may already be upset at Latter-day Saint beliefs and frustrated that those beliefs might actually have a long history that can be supported by scholarship based both inside and outside of the Church. I apologize if that is not the case. That's just how I read your comments. There is nothing in David's demeanor, tone of voice, or language that indicates "blowing off" or "slamming" other people or their beliefs. And if you don't think so, then as he said, "We'll have to agree to disagree."
@@jacobmartin5182 I do not understand what point you are trying to make. Many explanations utilize comparisons and contrasts to known qualities to expedite understanding. You think David should avoid such a common tool in his efforts?
1 Corinthians 15:50-54 tells us: I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory. This was a waste of 7 minutes. It would be wise to stop preaching this.
So the Bible must be heresy too right? Because it is clearly and plainly taught that God has a body like ours but perfect and glorified. In the first Chapter of Genesis we read that God created man in HIS IMAGE. If God were an immaterial formless being we would be too.
Christians believe God the Father is Spirit. When the LDS make God the Father an exalted man, it introduces a mountain of non-Christian beliefs. Who do you worship God the Father or Jesus Christ? Mormons say God the Father, Christians say Jesus Christ. Who do you pray too? The LDS say God the Father, Christians say Jesus Christ. How was Jesus Christ conceived? If God the Father is a physical man, the immaculate conception and the idea that Mary was a virgin cannot be true. If you worship God the Father because he is Christs Father, why not God the Grandfather? He was probably pretty great. Mormons certainly revere their grandparents here on Earth just as much as their parents. If God the Father is a physical man, he cannot be omnipresent. The LDS have a doctrine on where he lives. If God the Father is an exalted man, and eternal progression is true, God the Father is not omniscient. He is still learning new things.
We pray to God the Father in the name of the Lord Jesus the same as Paul demonstrated. The Bible only gives mostly the record of just this domain that God the Father rules in, not the other domains of the kingdom of God.. God the Father is a physical resurrected man and no he is not limited because of having a physical body for the spirit of the Lord or Light of Christ also radiates out from him to fill all of space. God exists in the Celestial glory, but he is also present in all the other places as well because of that omnipresent spirit, so God dispenses light in varying degrees from his presence in this universe. "If God the Father is an exalted man, and eternal progression is true, God the Father is not omniscient. He is still learning new things." You may find this interaction between Jesus and God his Father interesting. 'Father, glorify thy name, then there came a voice from heaven and said, I have both glorified it, and shall glorify it again. 'To Him that overcometh will i grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame and am set down with my father in his Throne. (Rev 3:21) The Godhead are two heavenly resurrected kings. One knows more than the other. God the Father already knows all things, but that don't stop the Father from leveling himself up from glory to glory. As Jesus taught 'Let our light so shine before men that they may see your good works and GLORIFY YOUR FATHER WHICH IS IN HEAVEN.' Jesus didn't say 'that they may see your good works and glorify ME. Jesus doesn't glorify himself, he gives the glory to the Father.
At one time, of course God was flesh and bone, just like Jesus, but now, they are no more than spirits, the holy spirit. You can physically touch flesh and bone, but you can not touch God, and Jesus.
You can definitely touch God and Jesus, they are tangible beings. Christ after his resurrection ate fish with his disciples. Paul even described the physical attributes of God in a letter to the Hebrews: Hebrews 1: 2 -4: 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; 3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; 4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
Respectfully, that is not the only verse that says God (the Father) is a spirit. You're cherry picking one verse to then straw man argue it. With all due respect this is pretty bad hermeneutics. making category errors by using analogies to like John 4:8 and 1 John 1:5 which address God's character and attributes is not the same thing as addressing His being. He is Love because He is the source of all Love. HE is light, because He is the source of all Light, but He is Spirit because He doesn't have a body...see category and context matter. It's also a category error to lump God the Father into John 3:6 as if God was born at some point...that's a purely Mormon doctrine and not a Biblical one. The premise of this video is to NOT take the Bible literally, which I can agree when interpreting the Bible where it's not literal, however, taking this verse out of context and saying that John 4:24 isn't literal is bad hermeneutics and bad theology. Why this actually matters is because of the heresy of Joseph Smith's teachings that God the Father was once a man like us, and then became a god. One of many. This teaching by Joseph Smith forces Mormon's to have to translate or interpret passages like John 4:24 to mean that God is both Spirit and Body or JS is a false prophet. That's why this video ultimately was made but it's also why this video is wrong. Good'ay ya'll
I do not believe God the Father is a floating mass of energy in space. .That's what the New Age Movement believe in about Christ, and the Bible Christians also believe that as well about God the Father as well that hes just invisible energy in the universe that this energy also dwells in Christ and is not correct..... They also have the roles of God the Father and Christ all messed up...And that's why God had to tell Joseph Smith the correct knowledge about Himself that he has a body which the spirit of God radiates all out from in order to clarify things for the Father is the only one who is fully omnipresent, Christ is not fully omnipresent as God the Father is, and it was the Father who appointed Christ his kingdom. Christ didn't appoint the kingdom unto himself..
@@germanslice I too do not believe; nor did I say, that God the Father is a floating mass of energy in space... I also did not say, nor do Biblical Christians believe, that God the Father is invisible energy in the universe that this energy also dwells in Christ... Neither of those things are Biblical and I did not say either of those. This is not the position a Bible believing Christian takes.
Some of these bible Christians who have been arguing with me over the Church's doctrine saying to me that Jesus dwells in all the believers hearts as an invisible Spirit that's like the Witnesses insisting to me that Jesus Christ had come back to earth to the Brooklyn Watchtower in 1914 as an invisible spirit to run the Watchtower today with all the other invisible spirit beings helping the invsiible Jesus which to me makes absolutely no sense. So does this mean the Watchtower has been haunted since Jesus arrived in 1914 as a ghost? Now some Bible believers have also been insisting to me that God the Father is an Invisbile Spirit floating all about in the universe which floated down to earth and then reincarnated himself to become born to earth as Jesus Christ in the flesh. This reincarnation teaching that God the Father had came down from heaven to earth to reincarnate himself as Jesus contradicts John 20:17 which states that Jesus had not yet ascended up to his Father in Heaven in all of the time that Jesus was down on the earth going about doing all his Father's Business to Represent his Father who all the time was up in heaven. Except for one time I believe the God Father came down from heaven was only in the Mount of Transfiguration event when he descended down in the cloud and spoke from out of the cloud to introduce to his apostles his own Son saying to them: 'THIS IS MY BELOVED SON, HEAR HIM. But even as God the Father came down to speak to the apostles to introduce his son, Jesus still had not ascended back up to heaven with his Father. So obviously a separate being is introducing his own Son to the apostles. Not an floating invisible energy mass without body or parts or passions floating all around the universe as Christians have been telling to me.. I think some of you who insist to me that God the Father is an invisible energy force that reincarnated into the form of Jesus Christ have been watching far too much star trek. This idea about God always reincarnating himself from invisible spirit energy in the universe to coming down to earth in the physical form of Jesus and then discarding his physical resurrected body after showing it to his disciples to turn himself back again into a formless spirit energy to dwell in the hearts of every single believer today is completely all of the rails to me. Jesus Christ can only dwell in just one place at a time physically because his Spirit body has been pernamently clothed with a tangible immortal perfect physical glorified resurrected body of flesh and bones which he had inherited from God his Father.
@@germanslice I’ll try to respond as organized by category as possible. I’ve put your comments in quotes at the beginning my responses. 1) “saying that Jesus Christ dwells in all the believers hearts as an invisible Spirit” and “Jesus Christ is not on the earth as an invisible spirit” I completely agree with you that Jesus is not on the earth as invisible spirit or that Jesus is some invisible Spirit living in Christians hearts. The Bible does not teach that. Jesus does say that He will be with us till the end of the age, and that the Holy Ghost (which is a Spirit) will: ‘From (the believers) innermost being will flow rivers of living water.’ But this He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified. - John 7:37-39 So it’s logical to say that the Spirit of God is in the Believer. 2) “next they also say to me that While God the Father floats all about in the universe as formless invisible Spirit Energy...” Formless and floating don’t really make logical sense to me, but I think what you’re trying to point out is that people have told you the Father is incorporeal and is floating in space? I disagree with this concept also because the Father is omnipresent. So He’s not ‘floating around’ because He is everywhere all the time, even in and out of time. Matter and time are things He Himself created, and He isn’t confined to those things, He’s above them, Master of them. 3) “they also say to me that Jesus Christ is also God the Father” That’s not Biblical at all. Jesus and Father are One, yes, they are one Being; God, but they are two different persons. This is called the Trinity. The Father is not the Son, the Son is not the Spirit and the Spirit is not the Father but they are all GOD. Not three Gods, but one GOD, three persons. 4) “So God the Father who is a formless spirit energy had reincarnated himself to come to earth as Jesus Christ in the flesh so they say to me that God the Father had left his place up in heaven and came down to earth reincarnated himself as Jesus Christ. That is also incorrect.” I completely agree with this statement. It’s called Modalism and this is probably being taught to you by heretics called Oneness Pentecostalism. I do not hold to their non-trinitarian beliefs at all. Modalism believes God reveals Himself in Modes, like Father, then Son, then Spirit, but never at the same time. This is false doctrine and the rest of your comment pretty much just goes further into the Modelist doctrine that I don’t believe the Bible teaches either.
@@barendse1 This s what i do believe about God the Father. Hes a resurrected glorified being of flesh and bone (he is a spirit clothed with a tabernacle of a glorified resurrected body of flesh and bones just like the Son), but his energy (the spirit of the lord) or the light of Christ radiates out from his being and fills up the universe allowing him to be Omnipresent in his domain, as Jesus is not Omnipresent as God the Father is. As God the Father knows of all things, and seeth all things in secret when we pray in our closets to him, he knows what every person on earth is doing. Jesus however does not know all things nor does he see all things as God the Father sees all things, for the Father sees everything of the past, present and future in people's lives on this world and on other worlds and somehow the Father can percieve them all for the past, present and future are all before him continually, but Jesus Christ does not know everything that God the Father knows unless God the Father tells him so. But he won't reveal to Jesus the time of his Own Second Coming, the Father knows but he won't tell Jesus nor the angles know nor does man know the hour. This is why I know the Father is a separate being from the Son. Before he was born as Jesus Christ on earth Jesus was a premortal spirit known as Jehovah, then he came down to earth to get a body of flesh and be born as Jesus Christ, and then later on he was risen up from the dead and gained an resurrected body of flesh and bones to become just like God his Father to dwell with him in power and glory along with God his Father up in heaven who is already dwelling in power and glory. Jesus could not dwell in glory with the Father unless he was risen up also from the dead to overcome all things. That is why God the Father is at the top of the universe over all things are beneath him and is the ruler over everything because he overcame all things in order to inherit his kingdom. Christ also had to do the same as his father in order to inherit his Father's throne to inherit all that the Father has. and he tells the same thing to the Saints to overcome even as he had overcame so we can sit with him in his throne as he is set down with his father in his throne, we also have the 24 exalted elder heavenly kings that John the Revelator saw of those saints who had overcome all things and are set down with God the Father in their thrones ruling next to him with all the angles wearing the crowns. So it is doctrine............. Now The Spirit of the Lord is not the Holy Ghost for the Spirit of the Lord its the energy that radiates out from God the Father's body. The Holy Ghost is a male spirit of personage who is the third member of the Godhead who communicates messages to and from the Godhead to us through the omnipresent spirit of the Lord. So God the Father is a resurrected glorified being of great power and light so yes he is a corporeal being that is omnipresent here in this universe that is a part of the kingdom of God that he rules over.
Many years after Christ ascended into heaven with His resurrected body, John provided a way to determine a true Prophet from a false prophet. False prophets would say God doesn’t have a body: 1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
All Christians believe Christ came in the Flesh. Anyone claiming Christ did not come in the Flesh would clearly be a non-Christian (antichrist). The issue at hand is that Christians believe God the Father is a Spirit, always has been, always will be.
@@redfightblue it doesn’t say “came” it says “come” which is present tense, and this is several years after Christ has ascended into Heaven. Since most Christian religions believe Christ is the One and only God they would have to agree God has a body, but they don’t. John would never say the clue to antiChrist is that Jesus Christ had never lived in the flesh.
@@UVJ_Scott My experience is that Christians believe God the Son has a body, God the Father does not. I don't know any Christians that believe God the Father has a body or that God the Son does not.
Jesus Christ and Heavenly Father are nearly identical in physical resemblance to the point of possibly being physically indistinguishable from each other Jesus “express image” of Father in physical likeness - Col. 1:15, 2 Cor. 4:4, Heb. 1:3, Philip. 2:6, John 12:45, 14:7-9 If Jesus Christ has an immortal body of flesh and bones, then the Father will have the same glorified immortal body of flesh and bones since they are nearly identical to each other.
Their logic fails because the verse says that man must worship God in spirit so if they conclude god has not a body and is a spirit unlike us then they cannot worship him as commanded in the verse. They set up a catch-22 only corrected when the misunderstanding of the nature of spirit is corrected!
Whose logic fails? If I assume that "God is a spirit" means God doesn't have a body, the most logical reading of "must worship Him in spirit and in truth" is that they must wait until they are disembodied to worship God. Reductio ad absurdem.
To the last question I would add a third option. God is spirit and can take or leave his body at will. Were this not so Jesus could not had died and become Spirit alone and then been resurrected (reunited with his body). I think that God can leave off the physical body if he wants in order to say travel through space at high rates of speed, and then, from eternal elements, take up a new perfect body whenever, wherever. If his body is flesh and bone then I surmise it is composed of natural elements, as our bodies are now, though to better plan and form. If I was wrong about that I would have to conclude that God only ever appears like a hologram and does not actually visit "in the flesh" since I find the concept of time travel as laughably absurd as the concept of sound travel (which is disproved every day all around us). Light is no more experiential nor all encompassing than sound. It would also remove the necessity of the atonement (we would instead be required to go back and fix our own mistakes) and strip the meaning of "infinite and eternal" as nothing would ever be final including the atonement!
Your comment makes no sense whatsoever. By the way sound waves do travel and you can feel them or better yet the air they disperse if you sit next to a speaker while it's producing loud noises .
@@starlegends3092 So you can change what happens then since you hear what happened after if happens? That is the childish logic with seeing something before or after it happens. How fast and in which direction must you travel to get to 1950 in Kansas? Preposterous! Sure you could go chase light assuming nothing has absorbed or scattered the light from the event and see it later but we call that photography... Honestly I cannot believe I have to explain this it is so basic.
@@SaneAsylum but if sound is delayed it means it is taking a bit to come to you, not that you are realy hearing the past. Why when i watch fire works, the boom happends after i see it's light? Who knows, maybe you are right and there is just something i dont understand going on, you never know. But it defenetly seems that sound takes time to travil. Though I did not know this till my dad and teachers told and explained it to me. If they where joking, idk when people are joking XD
Wow! What a great explanation of this issue! As an LDS convert and currently an inactive one, I have struggled with this issue for the whole eleven years since I was baptised...and soon after left the Church. Since discovering your RUclips channel I am finding a lot of my questions about LDS doctine are being answered...I am now re-reading the Scriptures with a positive 'faith' mindset rather than a negative 'doubt' mindset and I really am seeing a whole lot more than I ever did before and everything is starting to make sense now. I am preparing, in myself, to return to the LDS Church, sometime in the near future....just have to pluck up the courage to take that step.
We are pulling for you...and the Savior is pulling with you ;)
Please, I’m begging you. Read the Bible, any modern English translation. Cover to cover. Use that as your lens to view all other churches and what they preach. Scripture above all else. It is the ultimate authority and you should measure what anyone else says with the weight of scripture. Old and New Testament. Not apocrypha, not bom, not d&c, not pearl of great price. Sola scriptura. Scripture alone.
i testify to you that LDS doctrine IS Christ’s doctrine
Good for you! ❤ I pray you'll feel the Spirit 🙏
How are things going, lately? I hope you've gone back to church. There is so much beauty and truth to be understood, but you will always be challenged in the process. When you're not being challenged, you're not really growing.
The Best approach to this subject I have ever seen.
The clips made a possibly contentious subject matter palatable to the spiritual mind. Thank you. Truth is enlightening.
One of the best explanations I have heard. Thank you.
Also, remember how Jesus prayed in His intercessory prayer. He essentially says that He wants all the saints to be one like how He and the Father are one (He makes Himself clear, here). Now picture two saints being one...or three saints or four saints or 10 million saints. Becoming one does not mean they congeal into one form; that's not what Jesus prayed for, and that's not a factor for the eternal resting place of the faithful. If Jesus prayed for the saints to be one like how He and God the Father are one, Jesus and God the Father must be one (in mind, in purpose, etc.) but separated when it comes to physical nature, because WE (the saints) are separated in physical nature. Jesus prayed for people to be one and likens this idea to His own nature and the Father's also - their oneness, so God the Father has a body of flesh and bone.
The typical response by traditional Trinitarians is simply to say that the sense of "oneness" mentioned in John 17 is a different sense than the "oneness" between the members of the Trinity. But, they also have to point to an extra-biblical source to establish that second definition of "oneness" that they suppose is unique only to the Father, Son and Spirit.
39 See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Touch me, and see. For a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.” Luke 24:39
That’s Jesus showing his disciples that he is resurrected bodily. He is flesh and bones, so you can touch him. This is to show the world that Jesus rose from the dead both body and spirit
@@DragonZlayerx12 Jesus is God. Therefore God has a body.
If you want to suggest that after he returned to heaven he no longer has a body could you provide a scripture which might back that theory up? Thanks 🙂
Thanks for another video! I'm glad to have this spelled out in such simple terms. This video as well as the video about spirits mentioned has been very helpful.
Some of the confusion derives by the fact that in the scriptures the word God is used at times to indicate the Godhead ( Father, Son and Holy Ghost) collectively, while at other times is used to indicate the individual members of the Godhead.
One example would be Genesis where God creates man in his own image, male and female. One may argue " if the word God can refer to more than one being simultaneously what about the use of the pronoun his, instead of their, in this verse?"
One of my suppositions is that the Hebrew language prefers the use of the masculine when a collective term is used or it could be that since every member of the Godhaed is God and every member is male, than the use of the masculine singular pronoun is entirely appropriate.
One may also ask " what about the female in the same Genesis verse, where does she come from? If God is a he and we're created in his image why aren't we all male. Latter Day doctrine explains that we do have a mother in heaven and that we are created in her image also. The modern day prophets have stated repeatedly that at this time all that the Father has chosen to reveal about the Heavenly Mother is that she exists.
I am still not sure I agree with this, but it certainly clarifies your perspective. I don't think that God needs to be "restricted" to a physical body. Just from a syllogistic point of view, if time, space and matter had a beginning, God would have to be timeless, spaceless and immaterial. To me this would imply no body. I take the verses of "walking with God", etc. as non-literal, and still remain on the fence about the John 4:24 passage. But I definitely appreciate the explanation and has given me something to think about.
It says explicitly in Genesis 1 that we are the image of God:
26 ¶ And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Also Paul describes the Physical attributes of God in his letter to the Hebrews, in Hebrews 1:
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
God does have a physical body but it is perfect and glorified. He is not restricted in his powers as we mortals are in our imperfect bodies. We, however, because of the Resurrection of Christ, will receive a perfect body that is not subject to the limitations of the flesh.
David, what an awesome video! You have cleared up 60 years of cofusion in me. Thank You.
But it doesnt say God is "ONLY" a spirit being. Is'nt it the Holy Spirit is God also, since He is a member of the Godhead?
No it doesn't say that God is ONLY a spirit being. God has a spirit that inhabits a perfect glorious body. Read Hebrews 1:3.
I love the picture of God kissing Christ at the beginning of this video. We actually bought that picture ourselves and put it up in our front room.
where did you get the picture from??
Adam and Eve HEARD God WALKING in the garden. You can't hear a spirit walking. Moses spoke to Him FACE TO FACE. A spirit does not have a face.
Technically a spirit body may be as visible as a physical one. The brother of Jared saw both the finger of the Lord and His spiritual body.
The difference is in touching, as described by Joseph Smith.
It also should be noted that a few verses later it says that Moses could not see God's face directly or else he'd be killed by the glory of God. Implying that the form God took was somewhat lesser in order to protect Moses. So Moses got to see the back of God instead of looking him directly in the face.
@@redshurikenrlsh1951 God spoke face to face with Moses like friends speak face to face
I have been a Hugh Nibley fan. He explained it within an hour that as the church deteriorated they could not understand the cosmology of the spirit. All material things are evil therefore God cannot be material. And that was it. To say otherwise was blasphemous.
As a Swedenborgian, I fully understand.
I can't believe how long we've been fighting over scriptures.
To find arguement over the meaning of scripture one need only turn to the book itself. The Pharisees and Sadducees are a prime example, and even within the church we have the apostles arguing about taking the gospel to the gentiles.
Don't worry, this is not fighting lol
Jesus Christ is God and had a body and was resurrected; He has a body. Good has a perfect body and we were made in his image.
In Genesis chapter we learn that God says LER US MAKE MAN IN OUR OWN IMAGE.... His image or body is physical, hence we are physically made in his image.
Great video overall with one point of clarification.
The JST John 4:24 is: "26 For unto such hath God promised his Spirit. And they who worship him, must worship in spirit and in truth." which provides a huge clarification over the verse that confuses so many Christians which says "God is a Spirit". God has a Spirit Body of Flesh and Bones but is not just a Spirit.
1Cor 15:50 Now this I say brethren that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does corruption inherit uncorruption. The glory of the heavenly bodies is different from the glory of the earthly bodies. 2 Cor 5:8 We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord. The Word of God has total authority over any book, it might be good if you respect His word!!
You explained Mormon doctrine pretty well here. Flesh and bones is different than flesh and blood. There is no LDS teaching of any heavenly body having flesh and blood or that they have the same glory as earthly bodies.
@@alanbylund2659 Well said. Jesus lives with his body in heaven. He didn't leave his body on earth when he ascended into heaven.
Add Philippians 3:21 to this as well
This is a brilliant explanation.
John 4:24
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Yeah, he already addressed that
Well said David 🙏🏻
Does anyone here seen the small black book named "The Missionary Pal"?
It is am awesome book that has many references of bible verses for great topics like nature of God etc. Sad i lost mine a long time ago. Good explanation as i have seen in that book thanks
Amen well said 🙏🏼
Thanks Arelis, I hope being a new member of the Church is treating you well!
Yes being a new member is wonderful I love being LDS best thing that ever happened to me I’m so grateful to Heavenly Father thank David for the videos I love u 🤟🏻 hermano 🙏🏼
I have to say that you are the only reason I am still subscribed to this channel.
Out of curiosity, what don't you like about the rest of their content?
@@_My_RUclips What possible incentive could there be for me to answer that? Unsolicited negative feedback (constructive or not) is more often than not, not welcome these days. But I do want this channel to know and him to know that the content he creates stands apart, because unsolicited positive feedback is pretty much always welcome.
@@SaneAsylum I was just curious, as I generally like most of their content, but I understand what you're saying. I disagree however that negative feedback isn't welcome (at least if it's shared tactfully). The hosts of this channel in particular seem like they're pretty open to all types of comments, both positive and negative.
I would also argue that God are those intangible characteristics being describe to him. Light, love, life, etc. This was a very Greek way of viewing things, in forms.
I like this explanation
When Jesus appeared to the Apostles after his resurrection he said, "handle me and see. A spirit has not flesh and bones as ye see me have."
This is not talking about Jesus but God our Heavenly Father
Good points.
Good job David
Not sure if you’ll ever see this comment, but it’s something that confuses me. If God is/was at some point of finer material, and spirits are material, how is it that he could have brought order to chaotic matter (God causing the “Big Bang”) and if all there is is material, wouldn’t that technically be saying God didn’t exist until the organization of chaotic matter? That seems paradoxical. By the way I am a faithful Latter-day Saint, this is just one thing that I can’t wrap my head around.
I believe that God is the essence of love. I take it literally. Just like He is the Light, He is also Love. 1John 4:7-8 says Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
God is also the great and powerful I AM, which simply means self-existent. we take that literally, do we not?
I would agree with you that God is the perfect embodiment of the attribute of love. As for the phrase 'I AM,' which is most commonly found in the Old Testament, we believe this phrase to actually be in reference of Jesus Christ, who was the great Jehovah, the God of the Old Testament.
@@SaintsUnscripted wait do you believe in patialism? Because I’m John 10:30, or specifically states “I and my Father are One.”
So we just ignore that nearly every translation beside the KJV of Exodus 3:8 stated that he have a body?
Where in that verse does it state that God the Father has a body of flesh?
Isaiah saw God and lived to tell about it “Yeah”. Here are some more cool spirit characteristics. Isaiah 11: 1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:
2 And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord;…….
God is existence the one true God is everything into one
Both.
This is so dope bro
The JST corrects that passage of scripture,
“26 For unto such hath God promised his Spirit. And they who worship him, must worship in spirit and in truth.”
JST, John 4:26
God gave revelation to Joseph Smith and commended him to translate the Bible in which many plan and precious things was revealed and put back into his holy scriptures and many miss translations or lost doctrines restored.
You should have shared that my dear brother. I love the revelations of God, he wants us to know and understand him. He wants us to know truth…
Make a video on 2 Corinthians 11:3-5
Also, if God didn’t have a body, then that means Jesus died again after being resurrected.
A lot of mistakes started with the 2 councils of Nicene.
Uhh how about just say we are all spirit beings inside a corpse and I don't know any other way to communicate with our Father but by spirit because that's what we are without getting technical.
@Stock Raising lol (were) is the magic word because the people there did not know.
So keep studying the scriptures and I'll pray for you to comprehend something lol. Saints all they way.
And you say we're not Christians? Have you read the BOM it's all about Jesus Christ dude wake up 😆
@Stock Raising if you really want to learn something correct first get rid of the hate antimormon bs that fills your head next humble yourself ad a child that you may learn wisdom. Next have a true love for Heavenly things you know like our Heavenly father and Jesus Christ and just everyone this is when light fills your head then you'll be able to see things that were hidden other than that if you don't take them steps seriously I'm not replying anymore been there done that.
@Stock Raising the jesus talked about in this video is the same jesus that you speak of and believe in. Unless you understand differently?
The Book of Mormon never says God has a body but it does say that God is a great spirit. Of all of the scriptures about Gods form only a single verse in D&C says he has a body.
Yep. But there are other scriptures that strongly suggest he has a body. I will simply paraphrase the ones that I can think of, off the top of my head, as you can easily look them up:
-- Moses speaking with God "face to face."
-- Christ being "in the expression image of [the Father's] person.
-- The many visions of God "standing on the right hand of [the Father]."
-- Christ's statement that if you have seen Him, you have seen the Father (which has multiple meanings, one of which is a reference to his being in the image of the Father).
There are likely many others, but those are the ones I immediately thought of.
@@towardcivicliteracy If our unembodied spirits resemble our physical bodies, then none of those suggest that God is physical in any way
@@brianevans3699 That’s a good point.
Please address 1 Timothy 6:11-16 and Romans 1:23 also.
Awesome video!!
Thanks for watching!
It doesn’t make sense that God would be a spirit if he were resurrected. If people believe in the resurrection of Jesus Christ, they cannot believe that he is a spirit. Unless they also believe that they are two separate beings that work in function as one. Honestly nothing makes sense except that God can go in and out of spirit and human form at His will and need.
Hold on. I want this explained.
I am not a latter day saint, but I still believe that God has a body. 1Co 15:44 says that there are spiritual bodies. No where in the Bible does it say that God DOESN'T have a body. Genesis 5:1-3 says this as well: "This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created. And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:" I repeat, I am not a Latter-Day Saint. I am a Baptist.
I appreciate your take on 1 Corinthians 15:44 and Genesis 5:1-3! Love exchanging thoughts on these topics.
@@SaintsUnscripted wait but I’m still wanting an explanation for this. Almost every Baptist I know believes contrary to me, despite these verses.
You have very good questions, we believe that we had spirit bodies before birth and the spirit and body together is what we have now, when we die, we will not have our physical bodies until the resurrection, just like Jesus went to the world of spirits until His resurrection.
See 41 Therefore the wicked remain as though there had been no redemption made, except it be the loosing of the bands of death; for behold, the day cometh that all shall rise from the dead and stand before God, and be judged according to their works. 42 Now, there is a death which is called a temporal death; and the death of Christ shall loose the bands of this temporal death, that all shall be raised from this temporal death. 43 The spirit and the body shall be reunited again in its perfect form; both limb and joint shall be restored to its proper frame, even as we now are at this time; and we shall be brought to stand before God, knowing even as we know now, and have a bright recollection of all our guilt. 44 Now, this restoration shall come to all, both old and young, both bond and free, both male and female, both the wicked and the righteous; and even there shall not so much as a hair of their heads be lost; but every thing shall be restored to its perfect frame, as it is now, or in the body, and shall be brought and be arraigned before the bar of Christ the Son, and God the Father, and the Holy Spirit, which is one Eternal God, to be judged according to their works, whether they be good or whether they be evil. 45 Now, behold, I have spoken unto you concerning the death of the mortal body, and also concerning the resurrection of the mortal body. I say unto you that this mortal body is raised to an immortal body, that is from death, even from the first death unto life, that they can die no more; their spirits uniting with their bodies, never to be divided; thus the whole becoming spiritual and immortal, that they can no more see corruption.
Alma 11:41-45
www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/bofm/alma/11?id=p41-p45&lang=eng#p41
“There is a big difference between being a spirit and having a spirit. Jesus says that the Father is a spirit, not that the Father has a spirit; this means that he lacks a body entirely...he exists in eternity as pure spirit, even though he chose for the Son to also take on a human nature in addition to his bodiless, timeless, divine nature.”
-Catholic Answers
God bless! :)
Happy to agree to disagree :)
But it doesnt say God is ONLY a spirit. Example. When i say, Brandon is a lawyer. He could also be a Farmer. There is hundreds of possibilities that he could be somebody else, unless i said Brandon is only a lwayer. If it says, God is a spirit without body of flesh and bones. Then the case is close. But No, Jesus has an immortal body of flesh and bones when He was resurrected. Read Luke 24:36-40
Jesus Christ and Heavenly Father are nearly identical in physical resemblance to the point of possibly being physically indistinguishable from each other
Jesus “express image” of Father in physical likeness - Col. 1:15, 2 Cor. 4:4, Heb. 1:3, Philip. 2:6, John 12:45, 14:7-9,
And remember the Holy Spirit is a God also since He is a member of the Godhead. There is also possibility that particular verse is referring to the Holy Spirit. Since He doesnt have body of flesh and bones.
@@johnvillaflor2723 I think your reply is coming at a LDS point of view, which makes sense if you are a member of that church as where my response comes from the catholic point of view. The Catholic Church believes that God is Spirit as said in Scripture and then came down and took on flesh in the person of Jesus Christ. 1 God, 3 persons (God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit).
@@johnvillaflor2723 “Far removed is the Father of all from those things which operate among men, the affections and passions. He is simple, not composed of parts, without structure, altogether like and equal to himself alone. He is all mind, all spirit, all thought, all intelligence, all reason.”
-St. Irenaeus [189 AD]
Well son…. Let me tell you about the deuteronomists
I have a question: why is G always portrayed as a white man? Serious question. Why is Jesus most always portrayed as a white Greek Roman man instead of a brown skinned Middle Eastern male?
Culture.
God created the races. The black race is the mark of Cain's curse. This does not mean that blacks are the curse or are cursed, it simply means they are Cain's descendants. Its only a mark of distinction. Christ would not have come from the lines of Cain. Hagar, Abraham's servant was of the seed of Cain, and that is what makes up a lot of middle easterners.
@@thelinguistador8833 this is demonstrably untrue and extremely racist
Could you use this explanation to explain those who are transgender? I know two trans LDS members who use this to argue against the church's stance against those who are transgender.
There is the male and female classification only. One has always been male or female for all eternity. Our classification is as old as our intelligence is which is eternity.
@@thelinguistador8833 This is just not true. There are plenty of sources in Torah and Tanakh that contradict this specification, and moreso in Talmud. Not to mention texts belonging to may other cultures. What do you mean by "our"?
@@adayinthelifeofmyself5513 Can you give me specific references in the torah, tankh and talmud?
@@thelinguistador8833 did they disable comments? why doesn’t my comment appear here?
@@adayinthelifeofmyself5513 because yt censors out comments. They censored out my original comment.
Nice one.
**Genuine question: In your religion, did God the Father create a body for himself, or did He always have one?**
I have some problems in understanding your point of view, because, if I believed in something that has always existed, something that created the universe, and shapes, and forms, I cannot believe that **what came before everything** has a human form, or a gender.
He created genders and dimensions, so how can God have genders or shapes? If God was formless in the beginning, how could he change if he's "immutable"/"unchanging"? Thank you in advance for anyone who may answer it.
Jesus hasn't always had a body we don't know where God got his body from
I don't believe God was formless he does not dwell everywhere
@@gustavmahler1466 Think about that: "We don't know where God got his body from".
God by his own nature can't change. There's no such a thing as "Today I have a body, today I don't". The original shape of God cannot have a form.
@@AsafeFialho Does Allah have a mind?
@@gustavmahler1466 Well, I am not a Muslim, but I would say "Yes". That doesn't mean that the "mind of Allah" is like a brain. It can't be like any mind Allah created, either. If it came before time, it can't even take time to think, it's instantaneous. (Allah just means God, which makes this comment funny to me)
I can’t believe glorified body is the same flesh and blood. It must be an evolved stardust flesh and blood substance. This, according to the difference among heaven kingdom and earth or stars kingdom.
A perfect and glorified body does not have blood, that is only a thing that we mortals have. Where there is blood there must be death. We too will receive perfect glorified bodies without the limitations and imperfections of our mortal bodies because of Jesus Christ's Resurrection.
Prerfect video.
Thank you for strengthening my believe in the fact that the LDS church is heretical and should be avoided by anyone seeking the Lord.
I noticed you made no actual argument. Seems you can be easily dismissed
Where does it teach in the Scriptures that the Father took on flesh? It says this only of the Son. (e.g. John 1:1-14) Only the Son could adequately represent God the Father in the flesh-if this wasn't the case, God the Father would have chosen to come down instead of Christ, but that's not what is said in the Scriptures, is it? "And the Word became flesh and took up residence among us, and we saw his glory, glory as of the one and only from the Father, full of grace and truth." (John 1:14) Repent for spreading this fallacious and abhorrent doctrine of man not found in the Scriptures. "You must not add to the word that I commanding you, and you shall not take away from it to keep the commands of Yahweh your God that I am commanding you ." (Deuteronomy 4:2)
The Son can do nothing by himself, but by which he seeth the Father do, that the Son also doeth .
'How can the servant of this my Lord speak with this my Lord' Daniel 10:17
Who is this other Lord who touched Daniel Physically on the lips and also helped Daniel Physically up to his feet?
10. And behold, an hand touched me, which set me upon my knees , and upon the palms of my hands.
16. And behold, one like unto the simultude of the sons of men touched my lips: then I opened my mouth.
18. Then there came again, and touched me one like the apperance of a man, and he strengthenthen me.
We believe God the Father to be an exalted man with a perfect resurrected body of flesh and bones. And his son Jesus Christ to be a spirit man in his pre-earth state but after he was born on earth as Jesus and died to rise up and inherit a perfected resurrected body of flesh and bones the same as God His Father has. For he inherited his perfect
glorious body from God his Father.. God upgraded his Son to become like him to dwell with him in glory. God will also upgrade the faithful saints to inherit the same resurrected bodies that they also have.
@@germanslice Exactly, the Will of the Son works in accord with the Will of the Father. However, Christ is not a slave of the Father, but His Son, and therefore has His own Will that is the unity with the Father. "And I have other sheep which are not from this fold. I must bring these also, and they will hear my voice, and they will become one flock-one shepherd.Because of this the Father loves me, because I lay down my life so that I may take possession of it again. No one takes it from me, but I lay it down voluntarily. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take possession of it again. This commandment I received from my Father.” You must not add to the word that I commanding you, and you shall not take away from it to keep the commands of Yahweh your God that I commanding you .
@@nathanwalsh6300 The Father and the Son both have immortal perfect bodies of flesh and bone but they also have got spirit bodies. This should not be a difficult thing to understand about God since Light has to have a source of energy to radiate out from.
@@germanslice God the Father does not have flesh and bones because He is Spirit. Luke 24:39 “Look at my hands and my feet, that I am I myself! Touch me and see, because a spirit does not have flesh and bones, as you see that I have.” You would have to add words to the Scriptures to say that God the Father has a body of flesh and bones like Jesus.
@@nathanwalsh6300 That's Not correct Christ has got a physical resurrected body of flesh and bones covering over his spirit.
I don't need to because Jesus Christ was standing on the right hand of God when they both opened up the veil and showed Stephen
their own resurrected bodies when he saw them.....You forget that both God the Father and the Son are both from the Glory
of the Kingdom of the Sun.
I like this scruffy guy
No, different faiths do NOT have different ideas about what "spirit" is. Only mormonism makes these kinds of distinctions. Everyone else understands that "spirit" is really defined as a lack of materiality. Meaning not made of matter. Only materialistic polytheistic mormons think otherwise.
Also the ENTIRE context of the John 4 is regarding the question of "where is God"? The woman is asking where is the appropriate place to go and worship God. The whole point of what Jesus tells her in context is that God is ONLY a spirit and is not to be localized. There is not one mountain or another where God is at and therefore to be worships there, because He is everywhere and He is everywhere because He cannot be localized in a body. He is spirit. No one denies the possibility of embodied spirits, that is what we are. That is not the question being asked at the well by the woman however, She is asking Jesus where is God and where should we go to worship Him? Jesus answers that He is not localized on this mountain or that, but He is spirit. The context clearly tells us that what Jesus is saying is that God is ONLY spirit. Otherwise He would exist in some place and locality. He does not.
Also it is important to point out that this view makes no sense of the incarnation. Why would Jesus need to be incarnated if God was already incarnate? Also this idea messes with the creation account and a bunch of other things. How could God have been corporeal before God created any material stuff? If God is physical then we have the infinity problem of where did God come from? The fact that God is immaterial is part of what qualifies Him to be the creator of all the other stuff, but if he is made up of stuff Himself then He requires creation as well. And a creature cannot be the creator.
All of these problems and more just go to show that the boy Smith had no idea what he was talking about and made up things that logically cannot possibly follow.
Re-read the Bible and you''ll find that God the Father does have a physical body and is glorified. Jesus Christ before coming here to this earth had only a Spirit Body which is in the same image as a physical body. Spirit is composed of matter just as a physical body is, it is just finer. He came to earth and receive a physical body. When he died and was resurrected he received a perfect tangible body that is glorified. From the first chapter of Genesis to Revelations this doctrine is plainly taught.
@@thelinguistador8833 A hyper literal re-read of the Bible is not reading at all. Mormons do not allow for metaphor. When the Bible says that God's arm is doing something it is metaphorical. The boy Smith could not appreciate such things and being uneducated in literature took everything hyper-literally and PRESTO God has an arm. Mormons are believing in a child's hermeneutic. The term "Spirit Body" is a contradiction in terms. If spirit is composed of matter then where is it? Please locate for me one single spirit. If it is material then we should be able to put spirit, as you define it, under a microscope and see it. Please show me the slides. We are spirit, so where is our spirit? Show me the scientific study of spirit, since it is material then where is it at? If the claim is that it is material and made of matter then where is the scientific evidence of it. Like Mormon history, there is no evidence for any of it.
@@karcharias811 No you need to do a literal re-read of the Bible because your ignorance is outstanding. We as members of CHRIST"S Church can distinguish between metaphor and literal statements. The fact that Joseph Smith was uneducated and was able to teach things from revelation he received makes our case even stronger, in that we rely on modern revelation from God. Truth is we love the Bible but we can just do fine without it for we have the true doctrine of Christ taught exactly the way he taught it through the medium of revelation, whereas you are reliant on it without help or guidance from the Holy Spirit to define the true doctrines. Spirit Body is clearly taught in the Bible and actually by Christ himself, so re-read it. Spirit is of finer material than what we can see with our natural eyes unless your eyes have been quickened then you can see spiritual matter.
@@karcharias811 "Why would Jesus need to be incarnated if God was already incarnate?" It's not that God needed anything. Rather, we needed to understand the true nature of divinity and exaltation. To further clarify, Jesus actually came and demonstrated the process, by becoming an embodied spirit, dying, and being resurrected.
"How could God have been corporeal before God created any material stuff?" This simply assumes traditional Christian metaphysics. It's only logically problematic by inserting those metaphysics.
"If God is physical then we have the infinity problem of where did God come from?" Science actually says matter is eternal. What you see as material things is simply different configurations of eternal matter.
..."if he is made up of stuff Himself then He requires creation as well." The only thing humans conceive of that's not created of stuff, but still exists in the universe, is concepts--things that exist only in the mind. Does God just exist in your mind? Or does he actually exist in the universe?
How can God have a body and be omnipresent
By the power of the Holy Ghost, who is a member of the Godhead
@@corrystucki3874 Why does the Godhead need 2 bodies.
@@Cryolyptic God's body is perfect and is not subject to the limitations of our mortal imperfect bodies. We too shall receive these perfect bodies because of Christ's resurrection. The Godhead is composed of the God the Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost and their purpose is to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man. They are one in purpose not in body. They are 3 distinct and perfect beings with physical perfect bodies. The Holy Ghost, however, has a body of Spirit but a body of Spirit is made in the same image of God as we were made in the same image of God.
@@thelinguistador8833 That doesn't make any sense at all
@@Cryolyptic it makes perfect sense and its found all over the Bible. Jesus Christ was resurrected with a perfect human body. He ate fish and honey comb with his disciples. His apostles felt the marks on his hands, feet, and side. Christ has a perfect body that is not subject to mortal limitations. In hebrews 1:1-3, it explains the physical attributes of Christ,
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high
Our bodies currently are limited and imperfect but with the free gift of Christ we too shall receive a perfect bodies.
...Spirit is defined as breath, or wind or a strong exhalation in the strong's concordance. Where you get a physical body for God is strictly man made. God is Spirit is exactly what it means, spirit. An invisible force.
That's because you say God's body parts are metaphorically
BUT WAS GOD MORTAL,,,You dance !!
Jajaja don't said nothing.
WOW....you are master of spin!?
I find it funny how you keep saying if you Read it that way, then that is fine. But at the end you say will just be happy to disagree with them as if you are blowing them off and don’t care because that’s how you read it 😂. So what was the purpose of this video again? Lately your team been making videos and slamming Christain on what there Bible says without proving that you think there Bible is wrong. You think you have but really you haven’t. All you done is go around circles and say things that what you think there Bible says. Kinda defeats the purpose of these videos imo. But do whatever, it’s your time wasted trying to prove your point without actually proving your point.
Agreeing to disagree does allow each side to be "fine" with the other side. In other words, people can have opposing views but still be fine and respectful with each other. Disagreement does not equal disrespect.
David has repeatedly said that this video series is just him explaining his understanding of LDS beliefs. He isn't trying to change minds or prove anything, just explaining what the beliefs are.
There is a difference in explaining what LDS believe then explaining where you disagree. This video is greatly disagreeing with Christian other then just comparing and just saying how you yourself understand it. He may have said that his goal is just as you say, but if that is the case then keep it as such. That all I am saying. Don’t defeat your own purpose to these videos and keep on point to what you say you are trying to do. Not the other way around.
@@jacobmartin5182 So, because Latter-day Saint beliefs may be different than what others believe, he can't talk about them? Is he only allowed to share information that comes from inside of the Church or somehow doesn't show that there ARE differences in theological thought between Latter-day Saint beliefs and others? From my perspective, he is clearly laying out why Latter-day Saints believe what they do and uses lots of examples, from both inside and outside of the Church to do that. Is it wrong to share outside perspectives and show that mainstream Christianity has also had similar beliefs and ideas? How is that "slamming" other Christians?
The only way that I can understand your criticism of this video is if it is because you may already be upset at Latter-day Saint beliefs and frustrated that those beliefs might actually have a long history that can be supported by scholarship based both inside and outside of the Church. I apologize if that is not the case. That's just how I read your comments. There is nothing in David's demeanor, tone of voice, or language that indicates "blowing off" or "slamming" other people or their beliefs. And if you don't think so, then as he said, "We'll have to agree to disagree."
@@jacobmartin5182 I do not understand what point you are trying to make. Many explanations utilize comparisons and contrasts to known qualities to expedite understanding. You think David should avoid such a common tool in his efforts?
1 Corinthians 15:50-54 tells us: I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory. This was a waste of 7 minutes. It would be wise to stop preaching this.
Sorry. What exactly do the verses you shared prove?
Heresy.
So the Bible must be heresy too right? Because it is clearly and plainly taught that God has a body like ours but perfect and glorified. In the first Chapter of Genesis we read that God created man in HIS IMAGE. If God were an immaterial formless being we would be too.
Christians believe God the Father is Spirit. When the LDS make God the Father an exalted man, it introduces a mountain of non-Christian beliefs.
Who do you worship God the Father or Jesus Christ? Mormons say God the Father, Christians say Jesus Christ.
Who do you pray too? The LDS say God the Father, Christians say Jesus Christ.
How was Jesus Christ conceived? If God the Father is a physical man, the immaculate conception and the idea that Mary was a virgin cannot be true.
If you worship God the Father because he is Christs Father, why not God the Grandfather? He was probably pretty great. Mormons certainly revere their grandparents here on Earth just as much as their parents.
If God the Father is a physical man, he cannot be omnipresent. The LDS have a doctrine on where he lives.
If God the Father is an exalted man, and eternal progression is true, God the Father is not omniscient. He is still learning new things.
We pray to God the Father in the name of the Lord Jesus the same as Paul demonstrated.
The Bible only gives mostly the record of just this domain that God the Father rules in, not the other domains of the kingdom of God..
God the Father is a physical resurrected man and no he is not limited because of having a physical body for the spirit of the Lord or Light of Christ also radiates out from him to fill all of space. God exists in the Celestial glory, but he is also present in all the other places as well because of that omnipresent spirit, so God dispenses light in varying degrees
from his presence in this universe.
"If God the Father is an exalted man, and eternal progression is true, God the Father is not omniscient. He is still learning new things."
You may find this interaction between Jesus and God his Father interesting.
'Father, glorify thy name, then there came a voice from heaven and said, I have both glorified it, and shall glorify it again.
'To Him that overcometh will i grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame and am set down with my father in his Throne. (Rev 3:21) The Godhead are two heavenly resurrected kings. One knows more than the other.
God the Father already knows all things, but that don't stop the Father from leveling himself up from glory to glory.
As Jesus taught 'Let our light so shine before men that they may see your good works and GLORIFY YOUR FATHER WHICH IS IN HEAVEN.'
Jesus didn't say 'that they may see your good works and glorify ME. Jesus doesn't glorify himself, he gives the glory to the Father.
At one time, of course God was flesh and bone, just like Jesus, but now, they are no more than spirits, the holy spirit. You can physically touch flesh and bone, but you can not touch God, and Jesus.
You can definitely touch God and Jesus, they are tangible beings. Christ after his resurrection ate fish with his disciples. Paul even described the physical attributes of God in a letter to the Hebrews:
Hebrews 1: 2 -4:
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
Respectfully, that is not the only verse that says God (the Father) is a spirit. You're cherry picking one verse to then straw man argue it. With all due respect this is pretty bad hermeneutics. making category errors by using analogies to like John 4:8 and 1 John 1:5 which address God's character and attributes is not the same thing as addressing His being. He is Love because He is the source of all Love. HE is light, because He is the source of all Light, but He is Spirit because He doesn't have a body...see category and context matter. It's also a category error to lump God the Father into John 3:6 as if God was born at some point...that's a purely Mormon doctrine and not a Biblical one. The premise of this video is to NOT take the Bible literally, which I can agree when interpreting the Bible where it's not literal, however, taking this verse out of context and saying that John 4:24 isn't literal is bad hermeneutics and bad theology. Why this actually matters is because of the heresy of Joseph Smith's teachings that God the Father was once a man like us, and then became a god. One of many. This teaching by Joseph Smith forces Mormon's to have to translate or interpret passages like John 4:24 to mean that God is both Spirit and Body or JS is a false prophet. That's why this video ultimately was made but it's also why this video is wrong. Good'ay ya'll
I do not believe God the Father is a floating mass of energy in space. .That's what the New Age Movement believe in about Christ, and the Bible Christians also believe that as well about God the Father as well that hes just invisible energy in the universe that this energy also dwells in Christ and is not correct..... They also have the roles of God the Father and Christ all messed up...And that's why God had to tell Joseph Smith the correct knowledge about Himself that he has a body which the spirit of God radiates all out from in order to clarify things for the Father is the only one who is fully omnipresent, Christ is not fully omnipresent as God the Father is, and it was the Father who appointed Christ his kingdom. Christ didn't appoint the kingdom unto himself..
@@germanslice I too do not believe; nor did I say, that God the Father is a floating mass of energy in space...
I also did not say, nor do Biblical Christians believe, that God the Father is invisible energy in the universe that this energy also dwells in Christ...
Neither of those things are Biblical and I did not say either of those. This is not the position a Bible believing Christian takes.
Some of these bible Christians who have been arguing with me over the Church's doctrine saying to me that Jesus dwells in all the believers hearts as an invisible Spirit that's like the Witnesses insisting to me that Jesus Christ had come back to earth to the Brooklyn Watchtower in 1914 as an invisible spirit to run the Watchtower today with all the other invisible spirit beings helping the invsiible Jesus which to me makes absolutely no sense. So does this mean the Watchtower has been haunted since Jesus arrived in 1914 as a ghost?
Now some Bible believers have also been insisting to me that God the Father is an Invisbile Spirit floating all about in the universe which floated down to earth and then reincarnated himself to become born to earth as Jesus Christ in the flesh.
This reincarnation teaching that God the Father had came down from heaven to earth to reincarnate himself as Jesus contradicts John 20:17 which states that Jesus had not yet ascended up to his Father in Heaven in all of the time that Jesus was down on the earth going about doing all his Father's Business to Represent his Father who all the time was up in heaven. Except for one time I believe the God Father came down from heaven was only in the Mount of Transfiguration event when he descended down in the cloud and spoke from out of the cloud to introduce to his apostles his own Son saying to them: 'THIS IS MY BELOVED SON, HEAR HIM. But even as God the Father came down to speak to the apostles to introduce his son, Jesus still had not ascended back up to heaven with his Father. So obviously a separate being is introducing his own Son to the apostles. Not an floating invisible energy mass without body or parts or passions floating all around the universe as Christians have been telling to me.. I think some of you who insist to me that God the Father is an invisible energy force that reincarnated into the form of Jesus Christ have been watching far too much star trek.
This idea about God always reincarnating himself from invisible spirit energy in the universe to coming down to earth in the physical form of Jesus and then discarding his physical resurrected body after showing it to his disciples to turn himself back again into a formless spirit energy to dwell in the hearts of every single believer today is completely all of the rails to me. Jesus Christ can only dwell in just one place at a time physically because his Spirit body has been pernamently clothed with a tangible immortal perfect physical glorified resurrected body of flesh and bones which he had inherited from God his Father.
@@germanslice I’ll try to respond as organized by category as possible. I’ve put your comments in quotes at the beginning my responses.
1) “saying that Jesus Christ dwells in all the believers hearts as an invisible Spirit” and “Jesus Christ is not on the earth as an invisible spirit” I completely agree with you that Jesus is not on the earth as invisible spirit or that Jesus is some invisible Spirit living in Christians hearts. The Bible does not teach that. Jesus does say that He will be with us till the end of the age, and that the Holy Ghost (which is a Spirit) will: ‘From (the believers) innermost being will flow rivers of living water.’ But this He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified. - John 7:37-39 So it’s logical to say that the Spirit of God is in the Believer.
2) “next they also say to me that While God the Father floats all about in the universe as formless invisible Spirit Energy...” Formless and floating don’t really make logical sense to me, but I think what you’re trying to point out is that people have told you the Father is incorporeal and is floating in space? I disagree with this concept also because the Father is omnipresent. So He’s not ‘floating around’ because He is everywhere all the time, even in and out of time. Matter and time are things He Himself created, and He isn’t confined to those things, He’s above them, Master of them.
3) “they also say to me that Jesus Christ is also God the Father” That’s not Biblical at all. Jesus and Father are One, yes, they are one Being; God, but they are two different persons. This is called the Trinity. The Father is not the Son, the Son is not the Spirit and the Spirit is not the Father but they are all GOD. Not three Gods, but one GOD, three persons.
4) “So God the Father who is a formless spirit energy had reincarnated himself to come to earth as Jesus Christ in the flesh so they say to me that God the Father had left his place up in heaven and came down to earth reincarnated himself as Jesus Christ. That is also incorrect.” I completely agree with this statement. It’s called Modalism and this is probably being taught to you by heretics called Oneness Pentecostalism. I do not hold to their non-trinitarian beliefs at all. Modalism believes God reveals Himself in Modes, like Father, then Son, then Spirit, but never at the same time. This is false doctrine and the rest of your comment pretty much just goes further into the Modelist doctrine that I don’t believe the Bible teaches either.
@@barendse1 This s what i do believe about God the Father. Hes a resurrected glorified being of flesh and bone (he is a spirit clothed with a tabernacle of a glorified resurrected body of flesh and bones just like the Son), but his energy (the spirit of the lord) or the light of Christ radiates out from his being and fills up the universe allowing him to be Omnipresent in his domain, as Jesus is not Omnipresent as God the Father is. As God the Father knows of all things, and seeth all things in secret when we pray in our closets to him, he knows what every person on earth is doing. Jesus however does not know all things nor does he see all things as God the Father sees all things, for the Father sees everything of the past, present and future in people's lives on this world and on other worlds and somehow the Father can percieve them all for the past, present and future are all before him continually, but Jesus Christ does not know everything that God the Father knows unless God the Father tells him so. But he won't reveal to Jesus the time of his Own Second Coming, the Father knows but he won't tell Jesus nor the angles know nor does man know the hour. This is why I know the Father is a separate being from the Son.
Before he was born as Jesus Christ on earth Jesus was a premortal spirit known as Jehovah, then he came down to earth to get a body of flesh and be born as Jesus Christ, and then later on he was risen up from the dead and gained an resurrected body of flesh and bones to become just like God his Father to dwell with him in power and glory along with God his Father up in heaven who is already dwelling in power and glory. Jesus could not dwell in glory with the Father unless he was risen up also from the dead to overcome all things. That is why God the Father is at the top of the universe over all things are beneath him and is the ruler over everything because he overcame all things in order to inherit his kingdom. Christ also had to do the same as his father in order to inherit his Father's throne to inherit all that the Father has. and he tells the same thing to the Saints to overcome even as he had overcame so we can sit with him in his throne as he is set down with his father in his throne, we also have the 24 exalted elder heavenly kings that John the Revelator saw of those saints who had overcome all things and are set down with God the Father in their thrones ruling next to him with all the angles wearing the crowns. So it is doctrine.............
Now The Spirit of the Lord is not the Holy Ghost for the Spirit of the Lord its the energy that radiates out from God the
Father's body. The Holy Ghost is a male spirit of personage who is the third member of the Godhead who communicates
messages to and from the Godhead to us through the omnipresent spirit of the Lord. So God the Father is a resurrected
glorified being of great power and light so yes he is a corporeal being that is omnipresent here in this universe that is a part
of the kingdom of God that he rules over.
Not true
Many years after Christ ascended into heaven with His resurrected body, John provided a way to determine a true Prophet from a false prophet. False prophets would say God doesn’t have a body:
1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
All Christians believe Christ came in the Flesh. Anyone claiming Christ did not come in the Flesh would clearly be a non-Christian (antichrist). The issue at hand is that Christians believe God the Father is a Spirit, always has been, always will be.
@@redfightblue it doesn’t say “came” it says “come” which is present tense, and this is several years after Christ has ascended into Heaven. Since most Christian religions believe Christ is the One and only God they would have to agree God has a body, but they don’t. John would never say the clue to antiChrist is that Jesus Christ had never lived in the flesh.
@@UVJ_Scott My experience is that Christians believe God the Son has a body, God the Father does not. I don't know any Christians that believe God the Father has a body or that God the Son does not.
Jesus Christ and Heavenly Father are nearly identical in physical resemblance to the point of possibly being physically indistinguishable from each other
Jesus “express image” of Father in physical likeness - Col. 1:15, 2 Cor. 4:4, Heb. 1:3, Philip. 2:6, John 12:45, 14:7-9
If Jesus Christ has an immortal body of flesh and bones, then the Father will have the same glorified immortal body of flesh and bones since they are nearly identical to each other.
@@johnvillaflor2723 correct!
U twist truths worse then a JW ! The purpose of Joseph vision ( or his updated one) is to teach the many God's before God The Father theory!!
Their logic fails because the verse says that man must worship God in spirit so if they conclude god has not a body and is a spirit unlike us then they cannot worship him as commanded in the verse. They set up a catch-22 only corrected when the misunderstanding of the nature of spirit is corrected!
Whose logic fails? If I assume that "God is a spirit" means God doesn't have a body, the most logical reading of "must worship Him in spirit and in truth" is that they must wait until they are disembodied to worship God. Reductio ad absurdem.
To the last question I would add a third option. God is spirit and can take or leave his body at will. Were this not so Jesus could not had died and become Spirit alone and then been resurrected (reunited with his body). I think that God can leave off the physical body if he wants in order to say travel through space at high rates of speed, and then, from eternal elements, take up a new perfect body whenever, wherever. If his body is flesh and bone then I surmise it is composed of natural elements, as our bodies are now, though to better plan and form. If I was wrong about that I would have to conclude that God only ever appears like a hologram and does not actually visit "in the flesh" since I find the concept of time travel as laughably absurd as the concept of sound travel (which is disproved every day all around us). Light is no more experiential nor all encompassing than sound. It would also remove the necessity of the atonement (we would instead be required to go back and fix our own mistakes) and strip the meaning of "infinite and eternal" as nothing would ever be final including the atonement!
Wait, why do far away things have a suond delay then?
Your comment makes no sense whatsoever. By the way sound waves do travel and you can feel them or better yet the air they disperse if you sit next to a speaker while it's producing loud noises .
@@starlegends3092 So you can change what happens then since you hear what happened after if happens? That is the childish logic with seeing something before or after it happens. How fast and in which direction must you travel to get to 1950 in Kansas? Preposterous! Sure you could go chase light assuming nothing has absorbed or scattered the light from the event and see it later but we call that photography... Honestly I cannot believe I have to explain this it is so basic.
@@esmeraldagreen1992 Correction: you can make no sense of them. Sound waves travel I am so glad... Sheesh!
@@SaneAsylum but if sound is delayed it means it is taking a bit to come to you, not that you are realy hearing the past. Why when i watch fire works, the boom happends after i see it's light? Who knows, maybe you are right and there is just something i dont understand going on, you never know. But it defenetly seems that sound takes time to travil. Though I did not know this till my dad and teachers told and explained it to me. If they where joking, idk when people are joking XD