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Should you go Rotated? Or stay stock location for your WRX/STI Turbo?
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- Опубликовано: 6 авг 2024
- For our question of the week this week, we are going to take a look at the differences between going with a stock location turbo and a rotated turbo for your WRX or STI.
The initial inspiration for a rotated turbo setup was the want or need to run something like a Garrett Turbo that used completely different flanges compared to the turbo that came on your car. That, and the fact that many of these turbo's were also a good deal larger than the stock turbo, required that you make a custom up-pipe and down-pipe and then rotate the turbo to make room for the new turbo.
For a while, the only option was to go with a rotated setup to run these turbo's, but in the last few years, companies like Blouch Turbo, Turbo Dynamics, and ATP Turbos have found ways to make or machine the hot and cold sides of the turbo to actually put these larger turbo's in the stock location for your WRX or STI.
So the question is, if you have both options, which one is going to be best for you? The stock location? Or to go with the custom piping needed to rotate the turbo?
Hopefully this video gives you some useful information to make that choice.
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Not sure who's idea this was at Flatiron, but im loving these tech tips and just all the information you guys give and the actual goods and bads. And what's possible, with benefits and such.
That is fantastic, and really appreciate it!
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I can’t believe you didn’t explain the number one benefit of rotating the turbo to a v band in and out or t3 in and out.
The turbine housing flow! You can go up a size in turbine housing when rotated and it will spool better and make more power at the same boost.
I was running an FP Green UHF and E85 laying down 550whp that was a really fun setup for street use. 550whp was really fun for a couple of weeks but I recently changed to a ETS rotated setup and I grabbed two turbos to play with. Started with a PT6262 and I have a PT6870 for later one I'm able to run some longer duration cams.
For what its worth the rotated setup is really nice for ease of access and being all V-Band is super slick and easy to pull the turbo.
Thanks for the comment. For sure, once you get the flanges installed, the selection of turbos you can try does open up for sure.
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When I was working at M45/Snail, I saw plenty of customer and shop cars that were stock location and in the 500-600hp range. The bigger factor I noticed from going 400 to 500+ were MAJOR upgrades to the fuel system (lines/dual pumps/etc.). Also with the larger hard inlets available now, the stock location can handle the bigger inlet sizes until you start wanting to go totally nuts.
Thanks for the comment, and that is a good point about the supporting mods for sure.
It is really impressive how much of a change there has been in the possibilities of a stock location Subaru turbo.
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You guys are always spot on, really great content! Keep up the good work.
Thanks very much! Thanks for watching and Stay Tuned!
Great video, keep ‘em coming thank u !
We will do our best. Thanks for watching and Stay Tuned!
FlatironsTuning always putting out gold. I appreciate all your vids/products/services- thanks for always being one of the most respected communities in the Subaru market.
Thanks very much Will! Really appreciate that!
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Literally this was on my mind today!!! Please stop listening to my brain lmao
Great content thanks for the insight. Of course this all depends on your goals power wise.
I mean I have a sh forester stock location turbo (blouch 3.5xtr) with all supporting mods and have made over 450whp which I agree is a sweet spot. This is my daily drive
Again great video keep them coming!
Thanks for the comment! Yep, there are definitely a lot of good options for stock location turbos these days.
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I like using the gt 3076 turbo and I have a gt35 and being rotated and having them ready to install with tunes helps. When I got on the drag strip she gets the gr 35. Rally cross or street driving it gets the gt3076
Nice! Those turbos are a bit different, but for those applications, they will definitely have their advantages.
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Started small and worked my way bigger. My car is light so it needs a smaller turbo than most to get the spool and boost I’m looking for it’s funny cuz I just started fine tuning and non biased those were the turbos that worked. But I will say the td06 20g 8cm is probably one of the best all around turbos IV used, on a 2.5 ej, it feels almost like the vf39 but doesn’t run out of steam, now all the dom 1.5 xtr and those turbos are built specific for our needs making them the go to choice for 90% of people. I like trying different stuff and seeing how they work, I will say getting the intake tube out of the intake, and heat soak area does help the tuner a lot, in the iat load areas.
Orrrrr… how about front mount turbo 😎💪 I’ve done a higher front mounted setup on mine which brings a few more advantages over the rotated setup of course
For sure, the front mounted turbo is pretty darn interesting on a Subaru. I'm bummed that it was only on an EJ engine for a couple years with the Legacy GT. The ability to spool up a larger turbo much faster changes things a lot. It is really effective on the new FA engines.
Your positioning of the turbo is really interesting. Reminds me of the Crawford BRZ Turbo kit.
Looking forward to seeing how it works out!
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Love what you guys are doing, keep it up! Maybe you can discuss e85/ flex fuel, how to convert etc.
Thanks for the question, we'll definitely add it to our list.
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Good info here! I would absolutely love it if you guys start a series pushing old JDM stroker kits for the EJ20, Like HKS and juns 2.2L Ones to compare it with something more modern! People are always talking about how its just a named brand and not good. Love to see it tested
Thanks for your question. Roger Clark Motorsports actually does a fair amount with the 2.1 stroker kits. The hard part lately is that there just aren't many EJ10 engines here where that build fits compared to a 2.5 hybrid or EJ25 longblock swap.
We'll definitely add it to the list though.
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Loving the content just found the channel. I have an fpblack stock location. Virtual dyno says 600 so I'd say safe to assume 550. Considerably higher than the 400 450 you're quoting. Theres also a couple even larger options as far as stock turbos go but I've decided to just go rotated 6466. Ordered everything last week excited to get mid to high 700s
Thanks for the comment and sounds like you have a really fun build in the works!
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The drawback of rotated is hard to step your way there. You got to do all at once, uppipe, downpipe, intake, turbo and FMIC (asuming you got fuel covered). Stock location you can step your way there and retune.
That is certainly true. There are definitely a lot of good stock location options now. Way more than ever before.
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Great video Flatirons! One thing y'all didn't mention specifically is the pumping losses of the MHI Subaru housing. Most rotated kits nowadays run a TiAL hotside, and given how much more efficient it is vs the OEM STi hotside, I feel its worth mentioning. A GT35r that you do nothing other than switch the hotside on, will perform and respond notably better once given a more efficient rear housing vs the MHI/FHI Subaru hotside.
Also the FP zero has made 700WHP on E85 in the stock location ;)
Thanks for the comment. That would certainly play a part on the compressor and turbine side of the turbo. And having a lot more room to work with, it wouldn't be surprising at all if you found more efficiency for that reason.
Interesting about the FP zero. We'll have to see if we can find some of those results.
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Thanks for the content. Q: What about intake filter insulation in the rotated setup?
I’m upgrading my internals to forged and I was wondering on what size they run on stock location to get to 400wheel. This helped thank you
Thanks for your question. I'm guessing you are asking about the turbo size? A turbo in the Garrett 3071 family should get you to that power with supporting mods.
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When you get to the level of needing a rotated setup, you are really making big power and also spending big money on your Subaru
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Big money indeed. I spent a lot just on my stock lcn set up.
My thoughts: Stock location and turbo size works BUT it's harder to work on. Especially if you want to do anything with the intake tube. I've always thought that rotating the turbo and running the intake tubing to the side makes more sense than shoehorning it under the McDonald's "M" intake. If I had the time and $ as well as the 2nd car to drive while I did the work, I'd have rotated the stock turbo just to clean up the installation. But I'm like that, I change stuff if I don't like the design.
Awesome content, keep it up! I have a lot of questions about intake manifolds; aftermarket, ported, NA manifolds, plastic vs metal, rotated setups, and their pros/cons in regards to flow and heat. I'm currently running the OEM plastic intake manifold on my 08 LGT.B (430whp) and was considering switching to a rotated ported NA manifold since it's cheap.
That is a great question and we'll add it to the list.
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@@FlatironsTuning +1 on testing differences between stock turbo manifold vs using n.a manifold...
(Also with camshaft n.a in turbo application vs sti oem camshaft)
@@AmirPomen All right, I'll add another count to that on our list.
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Hi Jon, you've been helping me explore options and get setup with the LM450. This is my youtube persona. Considering what my goals are this vid was very timely. I'm currently doing all the things necessary to go rotated, with one exception. The car's getting a new fuel system, converting to speed density, tmic to fmic, all the stainless parts and pieces to fabricate the new downpipe and exhaust. At this point I'd just need to spend a little money, compared to everything else, towards getting the rotated up-pipe. I'm willing to do it to help keep the door open for maybe someday chasing that max power level I've mentioned to you. And that seems to be getting into the range it's probably needed. It's kind of ironic this is about the only thing we didn't talk about. hahaha What do you think, should I go for it? It's never again going to be as easy to do as now. Thanks for all your help.
Thanks for the comment! Getting the right turbo can certainly be a process.
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Good info. I'm at 650+ on stock location fp zero
Dang! Very cool!
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You never mention who makes rotated turbo manifolds for purchase and you never mentioned what years of subarus you were talking about , but still a great video and great info but i do need my answers to my first 2 questions please
Just seen this after watching your hybrid build video and I have a question, I currently have the hybrid engine in my 04 wrx and I was wondering how much boost would be safe with running through it? Would it even be worth running a rotated turbo setup? Great video as always
Thanks for your question. That is a tough one, and I'd say that it depends on a lot of factors. If you are running a stock shortblock, we would recommend trying to stick to under 20 psi of boost. If you have a built block, you could go a bit higher, but make sure that you are making power with the additional boost.
Remember that the relationship between power and boost is a bell curve, not a straight line.
Hope that helps and Stay Tuned!
I been running my ATP gtx3076 with tial mv-R 44 with just dump and love it at 500hp with 3" inlet but still feel like it's restricted and I'm on pump gas. but it's turned down to daily at 442hp
That sounds like an awesome setup for sure. Thanks for watching and Stay Tuned!
I’m at 440whp on stock located Garrett gtx3076 f
Nice! Thanks for watching and Stay Tuned!
is it possible to still go rotated say with the ets kit and be tuned with accesstuner after the green speed update?
Thanks for the question. The short answer is yes, you can still tune the car. The challenge is going to be keeping the CEL's off, especially if you change out the entire down-pipe.
At this point, I'd say that a stock location may be much easier to work with than rotated, but it should still be possible.
Hope that helps and Stay Tuned!
Where can I get a hoodie👀👀
We don't have anything available currently. But we may have to fix that.
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"Wow look at that stock location turbo!" said nobody
So a sleeper build??? Gotcha
this guys dont like fp products 🤣🤣