Why Germany Should Worry About China’s EV Expansion 🇨🇳
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- Опубликовано: 11 янв 2025
- With its electric cars set to power ahead into the European market does the future of e-mobility belong to China? With brands like Nio and BYD, China already have shown they are a power in the EV market, So what can legacy brands like VW and rival Tesla do to compete?
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German cars saled in China for more than 20 years .Chinese people didnt take it as a invasion though.
This fear mongering from the side of the EU media is becoming so annoying.
The West talk about competition only when it suits them.
dw did mention it, and implying Chinese companies steal tech / marketing strategy from Europe.
@@sean1983521 Steal tech, BYD has the most advanced battery tech . You cant steal to the top.
There was no really car industry in China when the foreign car makers entered in. Besides, it's well known that Chinese auto industry was pretty much cultivated through the JVs with foreign companies.
China has never rejected German trade expansion in China. Why should Germany worry about China? The European mindset is really wonderful, and in general the European mindset works for the UK and the US. Inseparable from colonial thinking!
What are you smoking???
China demanded from the beginning that joint ventures for export had 51% chinese shares, openly copied intellectual property.
I mean… China is a dictatorship! Europe should be careful about that.
They don’t reject it, however there is and always was an competition about any product. And a country should do what necessary to keep their technologies to them
"Old habits & mentality die hard"
@@tobi2841Just be brave enough to say the truth, it's because the Chinese are different from European people. Stealing /reverse engineering /subsidiary are all part of the game just like how the British were able to produce more and better ship with cheaper labour to overtake the Dutch empire
European cars have enjoyed the Chinese market for more than three to four decades. In the recent decades, European car manufacturers also exploit low cost manufacturing facilities and labour costs. When Japanese and Korean cars went to global markets, European politicians and manufacturers did not like it and laughed at them as low quality cars. Now, Chinese electric cars come to the European markets with equal or better value-cost ratio, then European politicians and carmakers said invasion from Chinese electric cars. They forgot their earlier ’invasion’ of the Chinese market with their cars. Consumers from both sides enjoy reciprocal trade - that is called free trade.
Yes and the Europeans sold them their rubbish, old Santana's with old tech, giving VW a bad image in China. They should of used that time more wisely.
Very true it’s hypocritical
the media, especially the BBC, CNN, etc., tell too much negative news about China, which makes the public lack a correct understanding of China. I am a Chinese student who came to study in Europe. I found that, apart from Northern Europe and Switzerland and the Netherlands, other countries in Europe have urban construction, convenient transportation, and urban cleanliness far behind China. The price of goods in China is one-fourth of that in Paris. Sometimes I feel that Europeans are so pitiful. With such high prices, a salary of more than 2,000 euros is not enough. The current average living standard of the Chinese is definitely at least similar to that of France. I hope that more Europeans will visit China and stop being confused by fake news and complacent.
Well it was a strategy to invite European and American car manufacturers to set up factories and train workers and engineers to learn how to build cars themselves and not allowing imported cars. With that technology transfer completed now the partners to GM, Ford, VW, Mercedes could start their own manufacturing and the smart move was to go into EV early, probably forced by the dense smog and air pollution in cities like Beijing.
Funny that Chinese manufacturers do exactly the same thing in Vietnam, Cambodia etc, setting up factories to exploit cheap labour to make shoes and all kind of stuff and when the market dries up they just leave without even paying the salaries they owe the workers, I know as my girlfriend was left without her salary.
Thanks bro, you are 100% correct. Hope most Chinese realise this, Europeans and Americans have no problem charge China 100 times more expensive for their lower quality cars using marketing and brand name. However, when China starts become successful in their countries, start to say threat. Really hypocrite of them
You can ban NIO on national security grounds like US banned Huawei. If you can't compete, ban it.
That’s America not Germany lol
@@freeeggs3811 Yes. 😂
This will come very soon, promise
Yup. Ban. National security. BAN.
@@freeeggs3811 True.
It's interesting to see DW using negative narratives to describe China once again.
when it comes to China, the negative word "invasion" must be used instead of the neutral word "expansion" “booming”
Don't you forget Germany is the largest exporter in Automobile industry for many years?
According to your logic, Germany has been the largest invader for many years, hasn't it?
If you watch the video, you’ll see its quite positive above the Chinese EV market, and why Germany and legacy brands should be worried. BYD NIO are looking strong in Europe
So true!
@@DWREV It seems that China should defeat the invasion of Germany and completely ban the sales of German brand cars in China
Indeed, the poor word choice (although infrequent in this report) indicates that the German media see China as a foreign hostile force instead of a rightful competitor.
This is typical of Western media. If one day you notice Western media praising China, it is going to be the end of the world.
Used to be a joke of the world, made-in-China products, including EVs, have evolved and fast-forwarded to the present leading positions. German cars, on the other hand, remain strong in ICE vehicles, but are losing out to Chinese EVs. How things have changed so fast!
blame the European media please, for example this DW, never see positive news about China which may make people feels better, but also make people ignore/forget the competitions and its development. The media thought bad news would make people hate China, yes it is, but it would not stop China doing things.
I guess if it is not the political thing, Chinese EVs would have a rather high market rate here in Europe. Since it is rather cheep in China with a descent quality(biggest EV market, millions of users, it already over tested by Chinese buyers), it could be rather cheap here in Europe, but now it is more than double the price compare to what it is in China.
@@shanhuang7187 The price difference is staggering, as if it is unreal.
@@shanhuang7187 DW is just another propaganda rag taken over by the US cia.
因为你们认为中国马上就会崩溃
Yes, the media, especially the BBC, CNN, etc., tell too much negative news about China, which makes the public lack a correct understanding of China. I am a Chinese student who came to study in Europe. I found that, apart from Northern Europe and Switzerland and the Netherlands, other countries in Europe have urban construction, convenient transportation, and urban cleanliness far behind China. The price of goods in China is one-fourth of that in Paris. Sometimes I feel that Europeans are so pitiful. With such high prices, a salary of more than 2,000 euros is not enough. The current average living standard of the Chinese is definitely at least similar to that of France. I hope that more Europeans will visit China and stop being confused by fake news and complacent.
You forgot to mention that many of them have got 5 star NCAP safety ratings as well
Chinese made car’s rust very quickly.
@@kinghilton but is not as quickly as your brain
@@kinghilton Chinese cars use same material and even better battery technology.
It last longer also much safer.
Read some book and go out of your dungeon
@@kinghilton 20/10 years ago, yes
Now, it's not
Chinese cars are very unsafe. Go to Serpentza, watch and see. This is all nothing but a propaganda.
Germans admit that China is in the leading position in electric vehicles, and China has made great progress in the automobile industry.
and yet western govts are still restricting Chinese imports just for the sake of geopolitics
They stole tech and rebranded
@@CordayCorday The core of electric vehicles is batteries. Seven of the world's top ten battery factories are Chinese. The first and second largest battery factories are Chinese. The first is catl, the second is byd. Tesla China and European factories and BMW and other western companies install Chinese batteries. Where do Chinese battery factories steal technology?
@@hi4806 The Chinese stole western technology by using four wheels on their vehicles!
Also european car manufacturers (i dont mention american cars because there are not in the competition for quality) are 5 years behind in term of technology. So they’ll have to wake up and catch up
I went to Hangzhou, China in 2016 and all their scooters and buses were EV.
Scooters in China have been electric for almost 20 years now and that ain’t new; EVs are very recent tho. Rural folks would drive motorcycles but electric scooters/motorcycles are just waay cheaper especially without having to worry about gas prices.
Went to Hangzhou in 2022. Half of the cars in the street were EV.
@@byhyew 一半应该没有那么夸张吧？汽油车有大量的存量。。
@@gangliezhu 就杭州市区，其他地方没有这么夸张
@@byhyew 估计是网约车多。。现在网约车99%都是电车，这玩意省钱。。。而且网约车不在停车场，都在马路上转悠。
10:54 The Chinese e-car "offensive" shouldn't be a cause for alarm just as VW's former expansion across the world wasn't considered a "cause for alarm"!
It's cause for alarm for Germany's economy.
Germany and other EU countries have a lot more to worry about after the destructions of NS1 and NS2. the flight of capital and de-industrialization of EU with high energy costs.
It is somehow disturbing, and hence, alarm, for covert imperialists and/or racists, that it wasn't from USA, EU, Japan, or Australia.😂😂
@@willengel2458 Indeed, the destructions of NS1 and NS2 will be a headache for the whole of the German industry for at least one decade (maybe 2 decades).
@@willengel2458 You've got the exact point. If DW want to better serve the German nation, they should report more "Cause for Alarm" on the energy consuming industries moving out of Germany. Those are the death-live issues that has been taking place now. The hundreds of billions of investments for the relocation will lead to massive job elimination.
On the EV competition, German brands are slightly behind but far from being too late, the EV market had just started, they are catching up real quick.
Even Toyota gave up competing with the Chinese saying it will focus on IC cars for now 😅 Toyota will likely be like Sony in the future.
Toyota is the next Nokia
@@klubcj In a way, all biases aside, it's kind of a sad situation. If Toyota is heading towards that, wonder what will happen to the likes of Honda, Nissan, mazda, Suzuki, subaru etc. They are all betting on the same losing strategies of maintaining n promoting ICE...
Thats result of outsourcing your inventions to other for money its gambling.
@@teohck7630 not Honda, they are working with Sony on their new EV brand
Haha
Hard work finally pays off, kudos to them. And it's the proof that cars are way overpriced in Europe.
😆 🤣
Copy, Copying
@@gregorywilson2124 Copy what? They are the leader in the industry
@@gregorywilson2124 copy u mom copy😅
@@gregorywilson2124 well how can you call it copying when the exparty agreed on providing tech to them. They improved on that and sense potential in electric market while eu manufacturers were busy miniting profit out of ice engines production models
why not? We have endured twenty years of German and Japanese arrogance, overpriced cars
What do you think will happen when the Chinese get a bigger and dominant market share?
Arrogance? What? We just treat them like any other market and even make some versions exclusively for China, where’s the arrogance?
@@Robbert_nl the same thing as Western nations are doing now I guess?
@@MaticTheProto You can look at VW's crash test results, IIHS in the US and CIRI in China, their testing standards are basically the same. Last year's Passat test, which was an A grade in the US, had the worst score in China's history (more than double the second to last) because of jerry-built materials. Not only the Passat, but also Tiguan and so on.
If this is not arrogance, what is?
@@Robbert_nl The only thing I understand is that for me as an engineering graduate it is providing more jobs. In the past, R&D engineering jobs were created in Germany or Japan, but now we have more R&D jobs for ourselves because of the preference of our peers to buy Chinese brand cars.
The BYD Atto 3 is the 2nd best-selling vehicle in Australia with Tesla's vehicles take top spot here.
In 2023, the BYD Atto 3 will be joined in early 2023 by the BYD Dolphin, followed by a 3rd quarter release of the BYD Seal sedan.
Early in 2023, in Australia, we will see the MG4 go on sale and the Ora cat as well. The Cupra Born will arrive in April, but there is no sign of any VW electric vehicles arriving in the first half of 2023, probably due to global supply issues.
No, supply chain is just a excuse, the number of Chinese factory is more than the number of Germany engineers, maybe the number of the whole EU engineers.
@@临沂秦叔宝 First reasoning is a fact. Second reasoning is pure exaggerations. C'mon, let's be more objective...
Australia has no real car industry anymore so they have nothing to lose
Why am I keep seeing soldiers, guns, bombs and hearing russia-ukrain war within a video discussing Chinese EVs?
The war has had an impact on the automotive industry, and certain components critical to car production are now in short supply. We've made a video on it: ruclips.net/video/Yd4imQSsr5w/видео.html
They are trying to link China cars and politics.
@@DWREV but I hardly see these elements from any of your other videos, which also focusing on the auto market. Come on, this is not what we came for.
Reminds the world that China is still like the past Communist USSR, a "Subliminal Mind Washing" technique.
@@cadhlaohanlon4443 because they want you to associate the two, that is it, everyone knows the answer
Why Chinese didn't worry while you guys sale your cars in they country many years ago
Because that was charity, this is an invasion. /s :D
China started investing in electric vehicles more than a decade ago whereas european countries stayed loyal to diesel vehicles. As of 2023, the results speak for themselves.
That's true. We will post a report about this in may
@@DWREV link please? :)
NIO will win the day. The product strategy is unbeatable,
You can ban NIO on national security grounds like US banned Huawei. If you can't compete, ban it.
@@michaelhuang7842 chinese EV's will take over the world, but not western world. 💪💪
@@michaelhuang7842 look at this chinese liar propagandist. China banned hundreds of western superior companies, now the world will do the same to CHina
Hope you are right. I just bought NIO stock
Man really said BYD as "BIDE" instead of B Y D im ded
😝
B. Y. D. as you would pronounce B. M. W.
@@teohck7630 Be Why Dee. 🙃
DW AND WESTERN MED!A HAS BEEN PA!D BY C!A!!!
MAKES F4LSE INF0RMAT!0NS AB0UT CH!NA!!!
Oh bide is german slang
Should china be also worry to german cars dominating chinese market?😒😒
German cars has been selling in china since 20 years ago. Until now they are not dominanting.😹
@@lizhang2849 vw is number 1 brand in china. Maybe u dont know where volkswagen from.🤣
@@awesome8975 vw is sucks in EV car market
Iv been stay in Germany for 5 years.
Germany is a funny place. Buying too much cheap gas from Russia is “too dependent” on Russia. So buying a lot of expensive gas from US is also dependent on US but is ok. Now Germany selling a lot of Vw, Audi, BMW, Mercedes to overseas and a lot to China is ok and dependent on China sales is ok, but now China selling back NEV to Germany is too dependent on China. Think German people breathing air from atmosphere it to dependent on mother nature better to generate oxygen and breathe using oxygen mask then.
What’s up with fear mongering title
Legacy brands like Mercedes should be worried, brands like Nio are expanding rapidly
it’s DW’s common tactic when it comes to China, fear mongering. Hypocritical.
No country is allowed to make better progress than the collective west. If you do so you'll be seen as a criminal. That's what the title says.
@@DWREV You should be worried about their INNOVATION but not INVASION.
That's just another Western style fear mongering against China.
@@DWREV The Germans should come up with more competitive products instead of exaggerating threats，
Plus - they're really good looking cars.
You can buy it ❤️
@@AsifIqbal-pk1gw what you can buy is image
@@Mister__Jey i dont think so
Not really, they look extremely tacky.
I am glad that these cars are coming to Europe. Finally some affordable EVs!
EVs are garbage and are charged by coal power plants, you aren't saving the planet but you are shooting yourself in the foot.
DW is such a US minion channel that it does not "remember" that Tesla is the best seller foreign EV cars, by far. 🤣
Now being made in China.
Tesla models use lithium batteries made by BYD. That's not a secret. In other words BYD ''controls'' a key factor in the production of Tesla models.
@@axelaaronccasanihuachua9073 . Factually incorrect to say that LF battery technology is used in BYD batteries in the last few years. Tesla is purchasing Sodium- Phosphate "Blade" batteries from BYD since last year.
yeah isnt it strange? these fearmongering video using word invasion conquering, while tesla as foreign EV already done it, it seems they are fine tesla doing it, and not fine if BYD do the same
@@johncallis2119 German cars are also made in China.
This report was a great example of how the German autoindustry and experts still don't get it. It's not raw materials etc that made the difference. The difference is that an EV is radically different in terms of what it needs to be successful (Software, Battery) than an ICE car (engine + transmission). German auto manufacturers are word leaders in engine design and manufactury. Leaps and bounds ahead of any American manufacturer easily. Same goes for transmissions.
Problem is you need neither of those for an EV. EVs have incredibly simple motors in comparison to ICE engines. They don't even need a transmission to put the power down. Instead battery chemistry and software behavior in how to charge, pro-long and discharge batteries is what makes all the difference. An EV is a computer on wheels. Tesla is the prime example of this and while most Chinese EV manufacturers are still behind on software, they are catching up real fast. Unlike German ones who still struggle with this new way of working.
Software would be especially difficult for Germany and Japan, as their software industry is way smaller than US and China's. One can say EV is US and China's joint conspiracy against Germany and Japan, replacing the strongest area of the latter two by their own.
Western automakers know the writing in the wall, cheap and practical electric run abouts are what people want, not KIAs that compete with BMWs. Chinese micro EVs like the Cherry qq, Lumin corn, Wuling Mini EV, Air EV and Bingo; they will wipe the floor with Western automakers.
9:17
The micro EVs in China are very lucrative for European buyers, especially when western automakers don't see any sense/profit in making city cars, so they tart them up into Crossover/SUVs and slap +3000€ on them.
Toyota Aygo X is a perfect example. The killing of the VW Up, Citroen C1/Peugeot 108/Toyota Aygo are a few more.
They see profit in executive Tesla Model 3/BMW 3 series vehicles, or larger, thirstier crossover versions that carry more profit with not much more costs to produce. That's one side of the story that most people find hard to accept about what really drives inflation, profits return to investors; unsustainable economic growth and compounding profit for the supply. Invertors rely on their money inflating.
It gets a lot worse when it comes to human necessities like housing, like what has plagued Ireland
In a time of crisis, the free market must be caged and the economy (and its products) planned for an organised society in said crisis.
The wuling ev won’t be successful in Europe because it’s a death trap
China: We got it covered
US: F*ck no, get off the market!
China: Heheheh, too late
@@Mark3nd US. Products made in China endanger national security and allies need to ban them.
If this is the state of the German car makers, just think about what is going to hit the Japanese car makers.
At least if you are a Japanese company that makes TVs ready to produce EVs.
yet the Japanese make far better vehicles, and are playing down this idiotic EV fad
Different story, the US and its allies can implement an anti-Chinese policy which can affect Chinese company's sales in the US. Japanese cars are well sold but German cars will suffer in the future.
@@wobblybobengland That's why Japanese cars marketshare is declining.
Too much corruption in the Japanese car industry especially in the export of company guaranteed 2nd hand vehicles.
Strong government support. Because they always no win 2 situations it's always winning situations to them since start off beginning 🙏
China is good in innovation,
examples? I'd rather say they're great at copying and that's about it and hostile takeovers.
@@Mister__Jey Because that's the main stream media in the west keeps telling you .
@@Mister__Jey You rather say that because you are an ignoramus.
@@Mister__Jey They are great at taking an existing idea and improving on it. You can use the same exact criticism about other Asian companies like Samsung or Sony. Samsung is not the first to come up with the smartphone but they ran with it and is the biggest android smartphone company in the world. They are still far more successful than some of the previous European giants like Nokia who are struggling to stay afloat today. If you look at it, Tesla didn't even invent the idea of the electric car.
@@Mister__Jey watch, learn, copy, refine. Name a great country that didn’t follow this path
But no one complains when the Europeans conquered the Chinese market...
More and more people buy domestic cars nowadays
With China conquering the EV market, how else can we get to ubiquitous self driving. All cars need to be cheap and high quality, and the market needs to be super saturated with them to the extent it becomes so ubiquitous we only rent them for an autonomous ride from point A to B.
That's true
In your communist dreams. Why not take a tram then?
@0:04... Notice how Western media news about China ALWAYS include footage of Chinese soldiers marching?... What is the connection!?! Lol
Thanks for watching the video, and for your observation.
Reminds the world that China is still like the past Communist USSR, a "Subliminal Mind Washing" technique.
@@DWREV
THEY HAS PA!D BY C!A, M!5, NED F0R THEY SALARY IN WESTERN MED!A!!!
German car brands are like prada and LV handbags.The cost of manufacturing those handbags may be £250 but they demand £2500 for that handbag in the name of luxury and exclusivity. Chinese companies don't do that That's why german car manufacturers are worried when they see a similar level of craftsmanship in Chinese cars and 1/3 the price. They are worried.
Africa is loving this timeline. Finally a break from unilateral domination and the freedom to choose.
We'd love to know what brands are on your radar now that you've got more to choose from?
@@DWREV like in Kenya we have byd and nko
As to say BYD will replace Toyota as the largest auto manufacture in the world.
Just what Japan and Germany is replaced by China and South Korea.
Yet TCL, Hisense, and Lenovo replaced Sony, Panasonic, and Toshiba.
Yet to say German and even French manufactures like Renault could feel the heat.
To say as on your previous video on Germany losing quality in cars I think China wins over the the quality control.
When it comes to EVs is like a football game.
Germany null and China 10.
I don't know about South Korea, they don't have a big enough market to stand on their own. Only a few western companies, particularly luxury brands like Mercedes-Benz and BMW, as well as IT favorites such as Tesla and potentially Apple if they enter the market, may be able to survive due to their loyal customer base. These companies have a strong hold on their buyers, making them untouchable. However, traditional big companies like Volkswagen and Toyota may struggle to compete with Chinese brands due to pricing.
Its called free market. You don't find it a threat when a ford or gm enters the european market while some asian company doing the same is different?
China's EV and RE ambition was first and foremost to reduce air pollution in China and not to dominate the world. Any other consequences are secondary.
German VW sold more than 3 millions vehicle in China in 2022, and GE is 1.17 millions , Toyota is 1.83 millions, Honda is 1.37 millions, Nissan is 0.92 millions in China in 2022.
60% MB high end models sale is in China. Ferrari number one market is China. Tesla sell 35% in Chiba. Chinese is 10% of the world population, it’s a huge market.
It's bigger than what is shown in this video:
"China has a 'stunning lead' over the US in the research of 37 out of 44 critical and emerging technologies, new study finds"
The world's second-largest economy is leading the US in researching 37 out of 44 critical and emerging technologies across the defense, space, energy, and biotechnology sectors - including research of advanced aircraft engines, drones, and electric batteries - the ASPI said in its Thursday report. The US State Department partly funded the study."
Interesting, now show me the state of their residential and infrastructure buildings collapsing.
When I was a child, China was full of German Volkswagen cars. Now the quality of local car brands in China is better than before, but not everyone has them. There are two Volkswagen cars downstairs.
CIA BOT
China's share of global EVs has gone from 26% in 2015 to 56% in 2022.
There was no mention of the fact that Mercedes just opened up its largest factory in the world in China recently. All of Europe and the US's problems stem from their bad internal and external policies and have almost nothing to do with China. CHina is just making progress, like any country would like to do
Why does anything Chinese does well translates to “domination”? Doesn’t all countries try to improve their economy, technology and market share? Why don’t you talk about Tesla market “domination” share, beat up German and worry about it? US government started promoting EV many years ago too. I bought my first Tesla in 2017, got about $8000 federal and state rebate, sticker to drive on California carpool lane alone and discounted electricity at home; and this rebate is actually got limited now based on where the battery is made.
Does German + EU have the gut to question the US especially the current German & EU administration.
Reason is so simple: it threatens Volkswagen and Mercedes-Benz
You pronounce BYD like you do with BMW
They mean "Build Your Dreams" in Australia and New Zealand.
If you pronounce like BMW then they were right, because BMW is pronounced in German not in English.
@@mdjey2 BYD has been known as Bi Ya Di in China with no particular meaning but mimic BMW. When they export their latest generation of vehicles to Australia and New Zealand, they put a new logo "Build Your Dreams" and with the font looks like Porsche.
I am from China. At present, German cars still sell well in China. German cars respect Chinese people and will not secretly put the flag of the rising sun of World War II in the advertisement like Japanese cars, which implies anything on the anniversary of the Nanjing Massacre; It also does not treat Chinese market and overseas market differently as South Korea does. And we recognize European civilization and technology,
If you can't beat your competitors, Sanction it . Problem solved. 😄😄😄
請BYD保護好你們老闆的女兒和兒子！不要讓他/她們去加麻大和美國！
人家都已經在國外。
@@cheetaih 谁？
Wishful thinking for Germany. Yes, Germany will come up with a few E brands, however, it will never be able to compete with China. It is a number game.
In fact, Germany should know better than anyone else since Germany was and still is the top in ICE.
Only Germany is allowed to sell Mercedes-Benz and BMW in China, and China is not allowed to sell electric cars in Germany😂this is equality😅
It's always been like this in the West, it's not unusual anymore
If German govt don't like Chinese cars' growing influences in Europe,then EU can make a rule that a foreign manufacturer(who wants to manufacture/sell cars in EU)has to partner up with local German/other European nation car manufacturer with 50-50 percent power sharing formula (just like China's power sharing formula for many foreign companies in China)
Who would build anything in German? To double the price?
USA propaganda
Indeed, the EU media should lose this (fear mongering) narrative as soon as possible and start to report factual.
What's wrong with DW and all those people in the vidio when they were doing the same thing no one protested what a double talk
Why? Not like Germany was concerned when NS I and II got blown up…..
Thank you for making this up as an action movie, I would not have been interested otherwise
Also work ethics I might add, bcz it comes with novelty and great enthusiasm. since it's relatively a new path for Chinese people.
The narrator made the term, [the card pack has been reshuffled], that's the crux of the matter, the Chinese has drawn an excellent hand first up, their idea in terms of choice, is far more advance than the original car makers, just like music the trend changes over time.
The destruction of the Nord Stream pipeline is gonna play a big part as it relates to Germany in particular, how you may ask? the denial of cheap energy to Germany has been transferred to China, I think the Automobile Industry might be in big trouble should the Chinese brands take off, just the plain truth.
Just bought my first EV… a BYD at that! European alternatives were more expensive or had really bad autonomy.
Traditional carmakers are definitely behind the curve.
What's the ownership experience been like so far? We've only heard good things from other BYD owners.
US is in trouble too. Apart from tesla the rest is not a competition
So it's cheap energy cost from coal? More excuses! Germany cut off her low cost gas from Russia?!
Nice report. I think is a matter of marketing and companies but governments they need to think further and ahead, that's the key to gain a portion of goal market...! Thanks DW for bringing it to here.
Germany shouldnt worry about China...but US
German and the West + Japan, South Korea& Australia rather be bullied by their US master than giving some benefits of doubt to China.
The main problem is that China owns all the raw materials for the production of electric vehicles.. Europeans have just been slow in moving towards electric vehicles.. the rules set by the EU doesn’t make it easy either..
Hello Mr. Liu; note I specifically said 5 million model 3 size packs; a large number of battery packs produced are for what one may call golf carts - which are vehicles incapable of safely driving especially on the Highway; these have very small batteries, and short ranges. So sure you could probably make 10 million golf carts or even 12 million. You probably are also counting PHEVs - which Mr Viking here isn't a fan of. So we are only counting BEVs.
Euro cars still have brand name advantage, Mercedes BMW Audi etc can focus on high end market with high profit margin.
These brand names are of German. What about the future of other European car brands? Will they follow the foot step of Nokia HP.
You do know that it's B. Y. D. Not Byd don't you?
We do now 😝
DW ,deveria trocar no título expansão e não invasão (políticamente correto) ,respeitando o mercado chinês que sempre contribuiu no crescimento e enriquecimento das empresas germânicas.Eventualmente são termos definidos da mídia européia perante o rápido crescimento das empresas chinesas
Invasion, excuse me?
Chinese leaders are talking about the key value of IGBT (the cpu of EV cars), Europe leaders are talking about the key value of LGBT(the cpu of EU car ???)
It's not "Byd" it's "B" "Y" "D," which stands for "build your dream."
"invasion" no strange by DW
You want to work 4days a week and you ask why ?
This comment made my day 😂
Sorry, but Germany is known for its mechanical engineering skills, not computer and electronic skills. I doubt German vehicles will be regarded as the best in the market from now on. But don't worry, you can be sure the EU will protect their domestic car manufacturers.
wow, you gotta love the Chinese. Europeans and the collective think this world belongs to them and we happen to live in it by their grace 😂😂
Dr. Winterberg showed 1995 at the lading German car companies lithium batteries special developed for electric car. The answer was “Oil is cheap and eternal, the electric car will never come”.
The CEO of a European and especially USA Car company has to hold a board meeting and debate the pros and cons of making an electric car with money from the Fossil Fuel industry in his back pocket to keep ICE cars. I need to keep my Shareholders happy. China started with we are going to make Electric cars as we know that fossil fuel cars (Gas, Hydrogen, Petrol, Diesel) are on the way out and we can not compete with German engineering. The Chinese Government says, "This is our Long Term Plan, No Debates just do it and here is the money for R&D."
in the 9 months since this was published, the chinese brands lineups are almost a generation ahead of whats shown here, and that ladies and gentlemen, is the pace of the chinese industry, so hold on in your seats. Even aspects like advanced microchips availability are being taken care domestically by SMIC. And BYD's incredible Oceans line, designed by Wolfgagn Egger, and factories already being constructed abroad (old ford factories in Brazil and others), Geely's Zeekers, Lynks&Co, Polestars, the funkiness of the Oras, the Tanks, the affordable and fast MGs, and so on and so on... It's a new era for car industry, let's see if Europe can level up their game as much as needed..
By joining China, Germany can expand their EV offering and learn from China. Europe has a lot to gain or be left behind.
It might be possible for China to take a bigger share of EVs but that share is very limited. On average 100,000 tons of lithium are produced annually; if half is used for EVs then you have a max of about 5 million Model 3 size battery packs; doesn't really matter who makes them; it will remain a niche market until the choke point opened. Either much more efficient use of Li in batteries or a different chemistry sans Li - is needed.
Merely China produced more than 5 million EVs in 2022, so seems there's something wrong in your calculation. And the projection of EV sell worldwide is 14 million. That doesn't look like a niche market to me.
Sodium batteries are coming
Thank you
It is just like do Gucci or LV worry about bags made in China. Branding my friend. Branding.
Full demostration of arrogance.
Game is on.
There is one Taiwan Solid State Battery manufacturer: Prologium Tech will set up the factory in France to supply SSB to EU car makers.
Being a taxi driver in ghana's western region, please consider the number of ours it's travels because average taxi driver in ghana can drive for 8 to 9 ours without offing the engine because most of these cars will end up in Africa, so manufacturer's be aware.
BYD H-8, if that's not fake I need one to replace the Tesla, it's way cooler :)
It’s not just cars, it’s a vast range of quality Chinese products. There are loads of Chinese brands available across Asia that haven’t really touched western markets and the quality is very high. TVs, air conditioners, fridges, cookers, all sorts of electronic appliances are great.
"The quality is very high" Lol, no it is not.
Probably, not. America dominates the EV sector currently regardless.
Not anymore. China has over 50% of the Market now. Tesla is thriving but it can't carry everything alone. Ford and GM will have to wake up if the US wants to stay in the game. They've been improving tho
No. Russia's intervention into the Ukraine civil war is not a factor. Our sanctions against Russia is. Meanwhile China is now enjoying cheap Russian energy.
Using military imagery to guide the audience, DW is truly a highly skilled propaganda organization
Its the normal pf msm from the West.
"Do as I say, not as I do" - that's the China-haters' motto
In the short term European automakers should be very worried, but the truth is EVs are not the future. Look at Toyota and you'll know what's the future. It won't be traditional combustion nor electric. It will be the hydrogen fuel cell. Not a new technology, German automakers already experimented with it, but abandoned it the same like with EV.
European manufacturers got electric cars completely wrong: they just buy the electric parts and end up with crazy prices. Electric motors are a lot simpler than internal combustion ones, but European car makers have those in-house and can make them cheap.
Where is the problem with affordable electric cars? We need them even in Germany
How about the recyclng of batteries.
An electric car is very simple a battery and four motors. The secret is battery chemistry and maintaining ideal battery temperature with the use of as little energy as possible. Chinese have committed to the electric car and the electric charging infrastructure in China. So now China can use their own massive market to drop the production price like no one has seen before.
I worry not so much about the German economy but the Japanese economy where one in twenty jobs are related to fossil burning vehicle production. At least German car companies can see the Chinese electric vehicle expansion coming. But the firing of Herbert Dies set VW back many years. He was actually doing something to compete with China.
"Why we should worry about literally everything China does ever"
well, you can ban them, by human rights, national security, pork eater, non-christianity, the way of squatting, using chopsticks, having new year celebration in Feb etc whatsoever.
Haha NB
they are using a lot of NEV in shenzhen