also Tarquini (pronouned Tar-kweeni) is a multiple world touring car champion. All the average F1 drivers are chamions elsewhere. Pretty crazy to think thata how competative it is at the top.
@@ForzaPolska06 Lets just say he was an extremely mid F1 driver. Not necessarily an extremely mid MOTORSPORT driver in general, as he's actually pretty good in Indy.
@@Duval-In-The-Wall Which is still funny because Jos' mid-ness is pretty much the result of 'always overshadowed by a better teammate'. The one time Jos had the machinery needed to kick ass and take names his teammate was a relatively unknown German by the name of... *Michael Schumacher*. After that his career just always spiralled downward because every time he got a car it was either worse than his previous car, or his teammate was as good if not better than him.
@@MrBlueBurd0451 completely wrong. Verstappen was no match for Schumacher obviously but he also didn't have the same equipment. He faired well against pretty much every other team mate he had (other than half a season against Barrichello). But I suppose it's easy to beat up on Jos Verstappen right 🤷♂️🤦♂️
@@MrBlueBurd0451 Tbh Jos did pretty great after Michael Schumacher. The only ones that even were a bit of a match were Rubens, De La Rosa and occasionally Bernoldi.
I love how all of the most average drivers here had success in other disciplines, Pirro at Le Mans and Cecotto on bikes as you mentioned, but also Ericsson an Indy 500 winner and Tarquini a BTCC champion - maybe the most average F1 career is to come in with a lot of talent, never get an opportunity in a top team, and then find somewhere else where you can actually prove yourself.
Exactly, I love this conclusion: an average F1 driver is a top-tier race car driver. Tarquini is not just a BTCC winner, he won ETCC, WTCC and WTCR championships as well, the last one in 2018, at 56 years of age, he raced touring cars until 59!
Could we take a page from baseball stats and create a stat like WAR (wins above replacement) that values how a player is copared to a replacement level rider... Like a stat called VAM (value above markus) that compares every driver's career to erikson's and sees which drives had a career that was a net positive or net negative compared to the most average driver in the last 30 years?
but war measures against season averages you would have to find the average driver for each season, which would also prob be more representative than the measurements he was using
I was betting on Hulk, but Ericsson makes sense. That said, the ending sounds like it's something bad, he is better than half of every driver it ever raced in F1, that's a crazy good stat!! I'd love to get the list and see which shocking ones are on the lower half of that list!
So the most average drivers are a motorcycle driver, a Le Mans winner, an Indy 500 winner and the driver with the worst qualifying record... Checks out.
Even Tarquini is a long-time legend in touring cars, with several European and world championship titles (not that anyone actually cares that much about touring car world championships, but still).
Too long a career id guess. Need to find the average career length (maybe 3, r seasons?). I thought it would be someone like Thierry Boutsen or some other 80s/early 90s driver (Naninni? Although he might have won a race)
Peter Brook posted a video of all F1 drivers of all time, ranked by points as if every race had today's scoring. You know one driver who was very very close to the middle of the list? Lella Lombardi. To be exact, she was slightly above the middle. By about 10-20 positions or so.
I did this a while ago, and while you clarify this is about the median, it's worth pointing out that if you used mean, you'd find its Ginner Nilsson with 31 starts, 1 win, 4 podiums, 1 fastest lap, 1 DNS, 21 laps led and 31 points. The 2 biggest outliers in his stats were 18 retirements (58% of starts) and a best starting grid position of 3rd.
I feel like the amount of self induced crashes and their severity (so no mechanical failures) would make another interesting aspect in this so that we know when to actually call someone crash prone. Loved the video, been watching you for about a year and a half now!
At first i saw a video from this channel, so i thought "oh sweet, i will watch a video from the past". And when i notice it is 44 minutes ago, im crying with happiness
Dear Mr V, Please post the spreadsheet so I can use the data to confirm my biases. Sincerely, Someone who would like to laugh at Jos Verstappen being below average
Oh man I love it! Seeing Marcus Ericsson made giggle as he was definitely a classic backmarker driver. I loved him in F1 and like how he developed after that btw, but he's such a driver that you tend to forgot when you think about who was racing in the seasons he was there. I think that title suits him well, and having Piquet Jr, Alguershuari and Stoffel Vandoorne makes it even better because all three of them came to my mind when I first read the video title
@@MoreThan7Digits yeah, this prediction was before i watched the video, so i had no idea just how bad the average career was. I guess i was close geographically
What's the most average f1 car of all time? It could be interesting watching cars like the Mclaren mp4/4 and Ferrari F2004 compete against The HRT F112 or Andrea Moda S291.
Oh god 😂 I guess I also need to include number of wings, number of brake pedals, number of diamonds embedded in the nose and number of massive fans at the back that shoot stones at people
Is it an idea to get the average driver by comparing the scored % of available points? For example: Verstappen now has 403 points, divide that by the total points available for the full season, do this for each season to get a ranking of average % of available points scored. Could this be a way to not have to rework the scoring system for all the older season and seasons with more/less races?
The only real way to judge a drivers driving is to the performance potential of the car on a race by race basis, which no-one really does. For example, If Magnussen and Norris swapped cars for every race in their careers, how different would the narratives be for both of them? What would Sainz look like after 3 years in an uncompetative sauber? Zero drivers can overcome the performance gap of the cars ultimately, just maximise the potential of the car, which Bottas could be doing every weekend for all we know.
My mother has literally told me to ask you to do a "who would have won with the old points systems" for nascar. I had to explain that you're not into nascar 😂 (she's here for the spreadsheets) This was a delight of a video! 10/10 :D
Haha you can tell her that I can run the numbers but I'll have no clue what I'm talking about so would make myself look like an even bigger idiot than normal 😂
My guess would be a driver who's had a unremarkable career which was longer than 2 seasons but not more than 5. Maybe a few 4th/5th places but never really challenging for podiums/wins (surely a podium/win is better than average?). I thought of both Nannini and Boutsen from the 80s, but they both won races and Boutsen had a 10 year career. If Nannini hadn't won a race, he would be a good candidate. Maybe De Cesaris? Remember him being the Stroll of the 80s. It's going to be something from that era (unless I'm totally proven incompetent and incorrect)
Video suggestion: one of the complaints of modern F1 is that the cars are too wide and that its detrimental to racing. So what if we make the classic tracks wider by the same margin, and figure out if that increases the spectacle?
Not that simple sadly as it ruins the lines through corner complexes and basically makes all tracks easier. You could make tracks longer to accommodate but then the speed of the cars doesn't match as well. The simple answer is we just need to make the cars smaller again
honestly, nobody should ever consider the indy 500 in F1 statistics. it's a whole completely different ruleset, different teams, different everything. it was just a gimmick to justify the Dirver's title being a world thing - which is much more than what the americans do for their baseball world series, at least
Nice work! I do wish that you had added a decimal place or two for all those stats that averaged to zero. It would’ve helped give context to whether it was 0.49 or 0.01.
Would still be 0 as it's the median, so it's literally just the stat borrowed from the guy in the middle each time. Because we had an even number of people it's actually the mid point of two people which is how we got some .5 stats
haven't watched the video yet, but 100% has to be Niko Hulkenberg. Not a bad driver by any means, but also has the record for most starts without a podium. No one is mad to see him on the grid (unlike Stroll), but people also wouldn't be that mad to see him go. By all accounts, a very average driver
Somehow I clicked on the video with the expectation of Ericsson being the most average F1 driver. He was just there for quite a while, wasn't terrible but also didn't really have any highs.
Average is a difficult thing to quantify, given the disparities between the top cars, midfield cars, and backmarkers. That said, I would define "average" in F1 as "as good as his or her equipment", which means neither overperforming nor underperforming relative to the performance of the car (compared to the other cars on the grid).
My guess for the modern era was Timo Glock. I got close on the length of career but completely forgot he got 3 podiums, which put him way above. Hilarious.
Me and Mr V are evidently on the same wavelength. The moment the total number of attempted F1 drivers went up (869), i instinctively said "nice" only for Mr V to say it less than half a second later in the video.
I think a second spreadsheet should be created which gives a compensatory score factor for the team’s constructors title results and weighs that into this. For example, Ericsson was OK but never had top equipment. Pierluigi Martini was a bit of a surprise but have to remember Minardi were solid midfield runners during his heyday. This is a quantitative spreadsheet but does not consider the qualitative aspects of their machinery.
the moral of the story: if you're mid in F1, enter the indy 500. With that in mind, I'd like to see you do this for Indycar/CART/champ car/american open-wheel racing.
Spoilers: A really interesting deep dive I was suprised it wasn't esteban Gutierrez but instead Marcus. Probably because he had 1 faster Lap . Keep up the great videos!
Mark Blundell seems to fit a lot better - started in karting, British (there are a lot of Brits out there), then fitting into some punditry and running a company related to cars...
I always feel like I should be careful of scoffing at Formula 1 drivers of the past. In many cases a high number of DNFs or DNPQs is caused by the machinery they had, or the type of opportunity they had, rather than by the driver themselves. With only one or two exceptions, all the drivers who have made it into Formula 1 are very competent racing drivers, even if they are ranked very near the bottom of any standings list. (Example: André Lotterer.) Gabriele Tarquini (say it like "tar-QUEEN-y") is a multiple championship winner in other series.
they're all good drivers and almost all are amazing drivers. Even the "worst" F1 driver any season nowadays would wipe the floor with 99% of people at a random open race
funny thing is, Ericsson won the Indy 500 in 2022
you can't escape the Indy 500
I wanted to write it too but you beat me to it🤣
r/beatmetoit
also Tarquini (pronouned Tar-kweeni) is a multiple world touring car champion. All the average F1 drivers are chamions elsewhere. Pretty crazy to think thata how competative it is at the top.
How ironic that the most MID driver since 1994 is an Indianapolis 500 winner...
What would Marcus Ericsson do?
Well, he'd go and win the Indy 500 to un-mid himself, wouldn't he...
Thanks for the spoiler
I think he would have hit Grosjean
He is still fairly mid though
Not really amazing over a season despite good machinery
But that 500 win will be on his record forever
@@ForzaPolska06 Lets just say he was an extremely mid F1 driver. Not necessarily an extremely mid MOTORSPORT driver in general, as he's actually pretty good in Indy.
@@TomBlu16or are you saying that on average good Indy car drivers are actually quite average F1 drivers? 😮😮😮
Being able to say that the most average F1 is an Indy 500 winner is deeply funny.
Don't worry, he's mid in Indycar too.
That's the only thing of note Ericsson's done in IndyCar. 99% of the time he's mid
F1 elitists will try to use this to discredit indycar more
Aside from that win. He’s been mid throughout all his seasons despite being in top teams.
1 race, on an oval =/= indycar champ
Good luck/timing has more of an effect on ovals sometimes too
Jos Verstappen being somewhat in contention for most mid driver is hilarious in it's own right.
He had by far the longest “mid” career, spanning 10 years, which is mad
@@Duval-In-The-Wall Which is still funny because Jos' mid-ness is pretty much the result of 'always overshadowed by a better teammate'. The one time Jos had the machinery needed to kick ass and take names his teammate was a relatively unknown German by the name of... *Michael Schumacher*. After that his career just always spiralled downward because every time he got a car it was either worse than his previous car, or his teammate was as good if not better than him.
@@MrBlueBurd0451 completely wrong. Verstappen was no match for Schumacher obviously but he also didn't have the same equipment. He faired well against pretty much every other team mate he had (other than half a season against Barrichello). But I suppose it's easy to beat up on Jos Verstappen right 🤷♂️🤦♂️
@@MrBlueBurd0451 Tbh Jos did pretty great after Michael Schumacher. The only ones that even were a bit of a match were Rubens, De La Rosa and occasionally Bernoldi.
Don't worry, I'm sure he didn't take it out on his son
So when grosjean’s engineer said I think Ericsson hit us, he was really just referring to any F1 driver. It all makes sense now
I think a driver hit us.
Well it kinda still doesn't because nobody hit him. Saying Ericsson was just as wrong as any other driver. Still funny though
We back spreadsheeting. Very nice.
Mr Avg also won an Indy 500 just to go full circle
Full circle?
It's more like a rectangle but I get you
Full oval
@@MrVsGarage you never go full rectangle
Some other candidates for the MAOAT title: Jos Verstappen, Nelson Piquet Jr.... I guess feeling average leads men to do debatable things
Glad you picked that up with your most average brain.
Petition to retroactivly remove the Indy 500 from all Formula 1 statistics
Petition to add the Indy 500 to the official f1 season
Petition to add horse racing to F1 statistics.
@ really no reason not to. It’s mostly about the horse.
@@n64p3I would really like that tbh.
I love how all of the most average drivers here had success in other disciplines, Pirro at Le Mans and Cecotto on bikes as you mentioned, but also Ericsson an Indy 500 winner and Tarquini a BTCC champion - maybe the most average F1 career is to come in with a lot of talent, never get an opportunity in a top team, and then find somewhere else where you can actually prove yourself.
Exactly, I love this conclusion: an average F1 driver is a top-tier race car driver.
Tarquini is not just a BTCC winner, he won ETCC, WTCC and WTCR championships as well, the last one in 2018, at 56 years of age, he raced touring cars until 59!
Also in the final graph, you see Piquet Jr and Vandoorne became Formula E champions
Could we take a page from baseball stats and create a stat like WAR (wins above replacement) that values how a player is copared to a replacement level rider... Like a stat called VAM (value above markus) that compares every driver's career to erikson's and sees which drives had a career that was a net positive or net negative compared to the most average driver in the last 30 years?
but war measures against season averages you would have to find the average driver for each season, which would also prob be more representative than the measurements he was using
@@ljoreilly1068also a problem with separating drivers from car performance. Don’t think it’s doable with f1
15:20 oh i like that name jos verstappen looks like his son will have a great career 😂😂
Definitely Jos's son sounds like he could be a multi World Champion
Supported by Nelson Piquet jr's sister
I was betting on Hulk, but Ericsson makes sense.
That said, the ending sounds like it's something bad, he is better than half of every driver it ever raced in F1, that's a crazy good stat!!
I'd love to get the list and see which shocking ones are on the lower half of that list!
Hulk has been in the sport a fairly long time, even with the gaps
@@borandiUK also he has 1 pole and a fuckton of points finishes, despite not being able to get a podium even if he drives a W11
well the lower end will be filled with drivers with few races
So the most average drivers are a motorcycle driver, a Le Mans winner, an Indy 500 winner and the driver with the worst qualifying record... Checks out.
Even Tarquini is a long-time legend in touring cars, with several European and world championship titles (not that anyone actually cares that much about touring car world championships, but still).
For some reason the first driver that came to my mind when i was the title was Nico hulkenberg, let's see how close i was
Ok I was pretty close but had to go a bit further north for the true mid driver from recent years
Too long a career id guess. Need to find the average career length (maybe 3, r seasons?).
I thought it would be someone like Thierry Boutsen or some other 80s/early 90s driver (Naninni? Although he might have won a race)
me too
Nah, Nico has got a lot of races
@@Mydigitalepitaph Boutsen won 3 races, def not average
Somehow I'm not surprised it is Ericsson
My gut said it HAD to be a Sauber driver, I thought Giovinazzi or Ericsson
I think Ericsson hit us.
Wow thank you for ruining the video
@@Wochroch Your own fault for reading comments before you watch. 😂
The face of microsft excel right here 😂
Fun fact: to all of us who grew up listening to murray walker, his name is pronounced in all caps: ' GABRIELE TARQUINI'
Thanks
Peter Brook posted a video of all F1 drivers of all time, ranked by points as if every race had today's scoring. You know one driver who was very very close to the middle of the list? Lella Lombardi. To be exact, she was slightly above the middle. By about 10-20 positions or so.
not today, he ranked by 2025 point system, where no points given for fl
I pictured Stoffel, glad he wasn't far away.
Same
My guess was Klien, and he was also on the list.
Pedro de la Rosa was the first to come to my mind, but I guess he was in the sport for too long
I did this a while ago, and while you clarify this is about the median, it's worth pointing out that if you used mean, you'd find its Ginner Nilsson with 31 starts, 1 win, 4 podiums, 1 fastest lap, 1 DNS, 21 laps led and 31 points.
The 2 biggest outliers in his stats were 18 retirements (58% of starts) and a best starting grid position of 3rd.
0:19 bro u had the perfect chance to use the 2005 US GP or 2021 US GP there
I feel like the amount of self induced crashes and their severity (so no mechanical failures) would make another interesting aspect in this so that we know when to actually call someone crash prone. Loved the video, been watching you for about a year and a half now!
Logan Sargeant is not amused
@@Dorasaurus05 So car killers like Brambrilla get off scot free? TBF, it's not a bad idea, but remember, car murder is bad!😉
Hahah great video, such a fun buildup to the great reveal. I couldn't help but chuckle at how well Ericsson fits for that. Thanks!
Glad you enjoyed it! I had a lot of fun making this one!
15:10 "there's something about you, it's hard to explain"
At first i saw a video from this channel, so i thought "oh sweet, i will watch a video from the past". And when i notice it is 44 minutes ago, im crying with happiness
When I think of an average driver people like Adrian Sutil come to mind
JOHNNY CECOTTO MENTIONED!!
Dear Mr V, Please post the spreadsheet so I can use the data to confirm my biases. Sincerely, Someone who would like to laugh at Jos Verstappen being below average
Finally a real mr. V video. Please don't become a streamer, but keep making these videos. You contribute way more doing this
Fuck off, it's his channel he produces the content he wishes
Andrea De Cesaris has to have had the craziest F1 career in history. Multiple videos could be made on just him alone
Oh man I love it!
Seeing Marcus Ericsson made giggle as he was definitely a classic backmarker driver. I loved him in F1 and like how he developed after that btw, but he's such a driver that you tend to forgot when you think about who was racing in the seasons he was there.
I think that title suits him well, and having Piquet Jr, Alguershuari and Stoffel Vandoorne makes it even better because all three of them came to my mind when I first read the video title
Actually Tarquini comes from my town here in Italy and he Is the uncle of one of my friends at school 😂
A few minutes in and I was thinking Jos Verstappen. Pleased to see I wasn't too far off.
My first thought was Kevin Magnussen, 1 podium, decently long career, quite a few points, but not a staggering amount
yeah but he has a pole and long careers are really bad
also a lot of points just his podium alone puts him as high as ericcson
@@MoreThan7Digits yeah, this prediction was before i watched the video, so i had no idea just how bad the average career was. I guess i was close geographically
@@opsyko3310 yeah true
Nico most starts without a poduim
My gut check at the start was De la Rosa but he had access to a very above average Mclaren
4:36 Checking our GOAT Latifi's stats against this is hilarious :D
What's the most average f1 car of all time?
It could be interesting watching cars like the Mclaren mp4/4 and Ferrari F2004 compete against The HRT F112 or Andrea Moda S291.
15:20 interesting how many of these guys were well beaten by their teammates. A head to head comparison weighted using the teammates ELO would be fun
50,000 people being entertained by spreadsheets? Dude, you have a gift. Or I need to be more afraid for the world than I was already. Keep 'em coming.
Love the video! If you ever do "most average F1 car", don't forget to include the numbers of wheels it has.
Oh god 😂 I guess I also need to include number of wings, number of brake pedals, number of diamonds embedded in the nose and number of massive fans at the back that shoot stones at people
So you mean to tell me Lance Stroll is statistically an above average driver? Absolutely did not have that on my bingo card.
7:54 Mr. Twenty-two in a rown himself. That’s right. He didn't finish a single race through an entire season
congrats on 50K dude🎉 found you a while back, im now hooked to all vids.❤
Is it an idea to get the average driver by comparing the scored % of available points? For example: Verstappen now has 403 points, divide that by the total points available for the full season, do this for each season to get a ranking of average % of available points scored. Could this be a way to not have to rework the scoring system for all the older season and seasons with more/less races?
That's the content I subscribed for. Great stuff!
that's some crazy analysis as always
Honestly thought it was going to be Sebastian Buemi, loved the video!
Already had Mark Blundell in my head for this video. So glad he's here. Possibly my favourite mid driver
Amazing video! One suggestion tho, if you don’t want to look at variance each time you can instead do furthest from the middle.
Watching the start of the video I was thinking about Stoffel Vandoorne and i'm glad he's in the 5 most average drivers
The only real way to judge a drivers driving is to the performance potential of the car on a race by race basis, which no-one really does.
For example, If Magnussen and Norris swapped cars for every race in their careers, how different would the narratives be for both of them? What would Sainz look like after 3 years in an uncompetative sauber? Zero drivers can overcome the performance gap of the cars ultimately, just maximise the potential of the car, which Bottas could be doing every weekend for all we know.
Ericsonn is really mid though so apparently it worked
but i see your point, ericsonn only drove mid / shite cars his carreer
imagine right if he drove the merc.
@@TakodaTGL All being said, I agree with Ericsson being most mid 😅
My mother has literally told me to ask you to do a "who would have won with the old points systems" for nascar. I had to explain that you're not into nascar 😂 (she's here for the spreadsheets)
This was a delight of a video! 10/10 :D
Haha you can tell her that I can run the numbers but I'll have no clue what I'm talking about so would make myself look like an even bigger idiot than normal 😂
My guess would be a driver who's had a unremarkable career which was longer than 2 seasons but not more than 5. Maybe a few 4th/5th places but never really challenging for podiums/wins (surely a podium/win is better than average?).
I thought of both Nannini and Boutsen from the 80s, but they both won races and Boutsen had a 10 year career.
If Nannini hadn't won a race, he would be a good candidate.
Maybe De Cesaris? Remember him being the Stroll of the 80s.
It's going to be something from that era (unless I'm totally proven incompetent and incorrect)
Video suggestion: one of the complaints of modern F1 is that the cars are too wide and that its detrimental to racing. So what if we make the classic tracks wider by the same margin, and figure out if that increases the spectacle?
Not that simple sadly as it ruins the lines through corner complexes and basically makes all tracks easier. You could make tracks longer to accommodate but then the speed of the cars doesn't match as well. The simple answer is we just need to make the cars smaller again
honestly, nobody should ever consider the indy 500 in F1 statistics.
it's a whole completely different ruleset, different teams, different everything. it was just a gimmick to justify the Dirver's title being a world thing - which is much more than what the americans do for their baseball world series, at least
When the shadow popped up right at the end i the name “Esteban Guttierez” just popped into my head
The modern most average makes an incredible amount of sense
Nice work! I do wish that you had added a decimal place or two for all those stats that averaged to zero. It would’ve helped give context to whether it was 0.49 or 0.01.
Would still be 0 as it's the median, so it's literally just the stat borrowed from the guy in the middle each time. Because we had an even number of people it's actually the mid point of two people which is how we got some .5 stats
Mr V
Idea for the next video:
The most average team in F1.
Immediately thought of Nico Hulkenberg but he is in the sport for a very long time certainly more than an average driver would be.
He also has a pole position and a ton of career points.
Make a video about f1 drivers/Prospects who went to indycar right after
Quick question, who is the most mid driver on the current grid?
Zhou is Ericsson 2.0
haven't watched the video yet, but 100% has to be Niko Hulkenberg. Not a bad driver by any means, but also has the record for most starts without a podium. No one is mad to see him on the grid (unlike Stroll), but people also wouldn't be that mad to see him go. By all accounts, a very average driver
Definitely a good example!
Great stuff (as usual). I would have bet money it was gonna be the King of 11th Place, Esteban Gutierrez. Ericsson's a solid result though.
He was very close, just off the side of that graph at the end
Bought the Suzuka shirt and the bucket hat, where “Legacy of Latifi” docuseries
smh
Eyyyy nice enjoy the merch! As soon as I can afford enough Nutella to fill a large bathtub I'll make it
Great video. Pity about your pronunciation of Tarquini and Ceccoto
This is Excel degeneracy not an Italian lesson, I research the names but it's hard to find clips of people saying these specific ones
Do this again, but convert the points, or use someone who already has, Peter Brook did, I think he has a full spreadsheet but I’m not sure
13:40 Tarquini even has his own DNPQ record for his racing number. He is him
The fact that Mr. V still only has 50k subs is a travesty.
Meaningless F1 data + excel sheets = heaven! I'm a man with a very sad life. 😆
You're not the only one 😅
Somehow I clicked on the video with the expectation of Ericsson being the most average F1 driver. He was just there for quite a while, wasn't terrible but also didn't really have any highs.
With your fetish for medium speed corners, finding the most medium speed driver must have been damn near peak RUclips material!
This video was my calling in life. I feel lost now it's complete
I like the way you say converting points to modern ones for everyone would take ages... as if you don't already have a spreadsheet with that on
Name a more iconic rivalry than Mr. V vs. Indy 500
15:20 you wrote Klien wrong, our last F1 driver from Austria
Oops, autocorrect. I guess he's small now 🤷♂️
@@MrVsGarage checks out. He's like 1m70 at max xd
fantastic video thanks for making it
Back with some spreadsheet content... Yesss!!
Average is a difficult thing to quantify, given the disparities between the top cars, midfield cars, and backmarkers. That said, I would define "average" in F1 as "as good as his or her equipment", which means neither overperforming nor underperforming relative to the performance of the car (compared to the other cars on the grid).
Holy crabs how do you already have 60K subscribers, I subscribed when you had like 9K about 5 months ago
Haha I think it's been over a year since I had 9k. Time flies when you're locked in an Excel prison 🤷♂️
My guess for the modern era was Timo Glock. I got close on the length of career but completely forgot he got 3 podiums, which put him way above. Hilarious.
missed opportunity to put the famous Murray Walker "ouh ouh it's Tarquini"- clip in there
I'm so happy that you hit us with Ericsson being the most average modern driver.
I had a suspicion it was going to be Ericsson, bit ironic that he won the Indy 500 though
The Indy 500 haunts me in everything I do
Me waiting for Fernando Alonso's McLaren stint to come in and weigh against his Renault stint to somehow make him win THIS comparison TOO
13:45 Interestingly though, all three of them had very successful touring car careers, with each winning some series.
Me and Mr V are evidently on the same wavelength. The moment the total number of attempted F1 drivers went up (869), i instinctively said "nice" only for Mr V to say it less than half a second later in the video.
"Average career length 4.5 seasons"
Mmmmm the blood of getting deleted mid season runs deep
I think a second spreadsheet should be created which gives a compensatory score factor for the team’s constructors title results and weighs that into this.
For example, Ericsson was OK but never had top equipment.
Pierluigi Martini was a bit of a surprise but have to remember Minardi were solid midfield runners during his heyday.
This is a quantitative spreadsheet but does not consider the qualitative aspects of their machinery.
the moral of the story: if you're mid in F1, enter the indy 500. With that in mind, I'd like to see you do this for Indycar/CART/champ car/american open-wheel racing.
@mrv I always play a game of 'better than sutil'. Is X better than Sutil?
Started the video thanking "Marcus Ericsson" Was.not surprised
The dad of a world champion F1,a Formula-E world champion,the son of a world champion F1,bloody Marcus Ericsson
What is this graph 😂😂😂
8:25 THAT'S WHY AN 11th TEAM IS BEING TALKED ABOUT TODAY! TO MAKE YOUR SCRIPT LOOK SILLY! Of course, I should have seen it sooner!
The fact that the most average F1 driver won Indy 500 shows how INCREDIBLY good F1 drivers are.
Yes but also please don't think that Ericsson is the best driver in Indycar 😂
@@MrVsGarage Of course not. But the fact that he's completely ordinary in F1 makes the Indy 500 win very special.
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A really interesting deep dive I was suprised it wasn't esteban Gutierrez but instead Marcus. Probably because he had 1 faster Lap . Keep up the great videos!
Mark Blundell seems to fit a lot better - started in karting, British (there are a lot of Brits out there), then fitting into some punditry and running a company related to cars...
I always feel like I should be careful of scoffing at Formula 1 drivers of the past. In many cases a high number of DNFs or DNPQs is caused by the machinery they had, or the type of opportunity they had, rather than by the driver themselves. With only one or two exceptions, all the drivers who have made it into Formula 1 are very competent racing drivers, even if they are ranked very near the bottom of any standings list. (Example: André Lotterer.)
Gabriele Tarquini (say it like "tar-QUEEN-y") is a multiple championship winner in other series.
they're all good drivers and almost all are amazing drivers. Even the "worst" F1 driver any season nowadays would wipe the floor with 99% of people at a random open race
What's even better is that Ericsson got preferential treatment his whole F1 career until LeClerc became is teammate at Sauber!