Can The $38K SYIL X7 Machine a MIRROR Finish?

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  • Опубликовано: 27 окт 2024

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  • @barrysetzer
    @barrysetzer 3 дня назад +25

    Beautiful finish! Most of the time when I see a finish like that, it was done on a $300,000+ mill with a 80,000 RPM spindle

    • @viliusr6974
      @viliusr6974 3 дня назад

      When you have time, you can use any machine you have. It probably took a coouple of weeks running non stop to polish that on syl.

    • @BedroomMachinist
      @BedroomMachinist 2 дня назад +4

      ​@viliusr6974 clearly diddnt watch the video, it was probably a 10 minute cycle with a mcd tool 😂

  • @tdg911
    @tdg911 3 дня назад +22

    Amazing finish. I had no clue these types of tools existed!

  • @cylosgarage
    @cylosgarage 3 дня назад +76

    Add air bearings, and you can get better than 0.5μin Ra. I do this along with achieving 250nm profile tolerance. Also, you destroyed the tool when you probed it. You absolutely cannot use tactile probes with MCD tools.

    • @Exandria
      @Exandria 3 дня назад +3

      Im very new to machining: why is that?

    • @hendrikholz3997
      @hendrikholz3997 3 дня назад +8

      Hi @cylosgarage
      I'm a materials science PhD student working in the fields of micro mechanics. I'm super interested in what you are doing. We usually use focused ion beams to make small structures, like pillar, to test them. But that can alter the materials properties. Would it be possible for you to machine pillars of let's say 3 um diameter and 7 um height into a polished surface?
      Could be super interesting to my research community!

    • @animus3d663
      @animus3d663 3 дня назад +6

      Is there a relatively inexpensive way to optically probe?

    • @barrysetzer
      @barrysetzer 3 дня назад +24

      The touch setter is extremely sensitive and moves. It didnt destroy anything.

    • @dogface7966
      @dogface7966 3 дня назад +7

      But you can cut aluminum with it just don’t touch anything!

  • @KylieGranno
    @KylieGranno 3 дня назад +5

    Oh yeah!!! That finish is INSANE!

  • @DGil504
    @DGil504 3 дня назад +2

    Nice video. I am getting a 7 to 10 RA on my Syil V5 all day long. They are great machines for the money!

  • @seancollins9745
    @seancollins9745 3 дня назад +3

    now looking at horn catalog for finishing tools for my cnc lathe work, awesome !!!!

  • @WickeD72
    @WickeD72 2 дня назад +2

    I was thinking 40k was allot for that part, I didn't realize you meant the machine. 😂 That's an amazing price.

  • @Sara-TOC
    @Sara-TOC 3 дня назад +1

    Great video, Trevor! 🎉 I haven’t had the opportunity to with that type of tooling in my career. The surface finish is stunning!

  • @clutch2315
    @clutch2315 3 дня назад +5

    More syil vids for us who may get one!

  • @animus3d663
    @animus3d663 3 дня назад +8

    Just got my x7 a couple weeks ago

  • @shaniegust1225
    @shaniegust1225 3 дня назад +2

    Wow! That’s insane. And beautiful finish sheesh!

  • @billyboyce916
    @billyboyce916 3 дня назад +3

    Trevor is on a mill! Cool cutter and nice finish.

  • @19_909KathanPrajapati
    @19_909KathanPrajapati 3 дня назад

    It has blown me too, An absolute luminous and glowy Component

  • @timothycollette8263
    @timothycollette8263 2 дня назад

    That Mitutoyo scared me! Did it scratch it? You guys need a Keyence Profilometer. Far superior. Great video tho! amazing finish!

  • @hummmingbirdie
    @hummmingbirdie 2 дня назад

    Finish is beautiful, and the tool very exotic, but a buffing wheel and a little elbow grease may be much cheaper. Works on steel too!

  • @kingofherdaz
    @kingofherdaz 23 часа назад

    That could be game changing for mold making. How much do these tools cost?

  • @markdavis304
    @markdavis304 2 дня назад

    Great finish! Very nice!

  • @piratiniwood547
    @piratiniwood547 3 дня назад +1

    Nice Trevor..... But what did you make, is that an actual product or something for mother's day already?
    But the finish is awesome 😊

  • @diegovianavillegas3297
    @diegovianavillegas3297 3 дня назад +4

    Of course you can, with an endmill that costs almost 3000 USD, mirror finish is the least you can ask.

    • @raindeergames6104
      @raindeergames6104 3 дня назад +4

      Dude I buy these MCD end mills on AliExpress for $40. Time to wake up.

    • @packapunchburger
      @packapunchburger 3 дня назад

      ​@@raindeergames6104lol

    • @lubomiryakov8268
      @lubomiryakov8268 3 дня назад

      @@raindeergames6104can you refer me to the shop you are buying from?

  • @EVILBUNNY28
    @EVILBUNNY28 2 дня назад +1

    Still waiting for the day they make CVD sheets large enough for phone screens

  • @Yamototamto
    @Yamototamto 3 дня назад +2

    How much time was that finishing path? 3 hours : O amazing

  • @parmi4469
    @parmi4469 3 дня назад +2

    So Ra8 in inch means Ra 0,2 in metric. Thats kinda sick. But who needs like polished surfaces on non iron metals.

    • @alexhuxley3907
      @alexhuxley3907 3 дня назад

      I work as a tool maker and we need high polish on some of our aluminium moulds, although we would polish it by hand not with a fancy diamond tool.
      However I'm pretty sure this is mostly used for optics manufacturing

    • @fuzzyboi2187
      @fuzzyboi2187 3 дня назад

      Optics
      The youtube channel "Breaking Taps" has a video of using one of these MCD tools to make a copper mirror for optics

  • @terminalbyte7416
    @terminalbyte7416 День назад

    How long did the mirror process take?
    Would have liked to see a timer in the machine to show how long the process took.

  • @yogeshkumar7402
    @yogeshkumar7402 2 дня назад

    Mirror finish is wonderful technique

  • @unaffected_covid
    @unaffected_covid 3 дня назад +11

    Dat thang look like it's been dipped in Diddy's baby oil. 😳🔥🔥🔥

  • @hendrikholz3997
    @hendrikholz3997 3 дня назад

    Can you please visit an ultra high precision machining shop like NH Micro? Would be super interesting to see what they can do!

  • @benjaminshropshire2900
    @benjaminshropshire2900 3 дня назад

    IIRC natural diamonds might actually form very quickly (potently faster than lab grown). The commonly cited formation times assume the form under conditions like what is seen today, but an alternative theory suggests that they could form much more rapidly under exceptional but short lived conditions (like magma rapidly moving towards the surface of from deep underground). But even then most of the diamond wouldn't be usable for anything but abrasive, would take many years to cool to the point they could be mined at all and even then would be hard to get to.

  • @rossadams9410
    @rossadams9410 2 дня назад

    this is wild trevor

  • @eclipseslayer98
    @eclipseslayer98 3 дня назад +1

    I'd be willing to buy one of these machines and a diamond cutting bit for $12.49 and a ham sandwich. Might need some help with the shipping though.

  • @William97864
    @William97864 2 дня назад

    How expensive is a diamond mill like that, amazing finish was expected from that tooling

  • @IceWolF963
    @IceWolF963 День назад

    5:29 did the crystal chip or is it the lighting ?
    the finnish is excellent

  • @NXNC-br8rl
    @NXNC-br8rl 2 дня назад

    you should visit the IOF in Jena (Germany) .... its mind blowing what they are making ... the final metal mirror of the james webb telescope was machined there...

  • @klasjanzen1165
    @klasjanzen1165 День назад

    In a job shop here that just went from hss to carbide a few years ago. Now I see this😢 let's just go home.

  • @mikebecker8141
    @mikebecker8141 3 дня назад

    Interesting, very nice finish.
    What was the step over amount being used with that mill? Also how long was the cycle time?

    • @dadobojanic
      @dadobojanic 3 дня назад

      0.002" stepover 2 hour finish

  • @bradsimpson4899
    @bradsimpson4899 3 дня назад

    Trevor, what would you use on tool steel to achieve something similar? For example if you were making dies that need a mirror finish.

  • @doc0302
    @doc0302 2 дня назад +1

    You should contact probe without rotating, it will probably be fine.

  • @aftaev
    @aftaev 3 дня назад +1

    How long was the roughing?
    How long was the finishing?

  • @michaelmacdonough3313
    @michaelmacdonough3313 3 дня назад +3

    The surface finish was pretty cool, but could we see a 100-piece production order on the syil? And see the qwerks of the machine? In a serious material like titanium or hard steel?

    • @MrRctintin
      @MrRctintin 2 дня назад +1

      @@michaelmacdonough3313 my mate only machines titanium on his X7, 6 days a week making bike parts. The quality is just as good as his Brother Speedio, but obviously a bit slower than the Speedio.

  • @mariocastilloist
    @mariocastilloist День назад

    Maybe you can get a better finish with a Rego-Fix PowrGrip holder easily

  • @12erplays39
    @12erplays39 3 дня назад +3

    Damn! How long was the Run Time?

    • @helicopterdriver
      @helicopterdriver 3 дня назад +2

      Speeds, feeds and stepover would have been helpful as well. I can imagine it was a lot of hours just in the finishing pass.

    • @trevorgoforth8963
      @trevorgoforth8963 3 дня назад +2

      @@helicopterdriver 10K RPM, 55 IPM which comes out to .0055 IPR since it's a single flute tool, .002" stepover, 2 hour cycle time!

    • @helicopterdriver
      @helicopterdriver 3 дня назад

      @@trevorgoforth8963 Faster than I thought it would be. Thanks!

  • @mattlarson9897
    @mattlarson9897 3 дня назад +8

    I am curious what the step over was on that tool and the cycle time...

    • @trevorgoforth8963
      @trevorgoforth8963 3 дня назад +4

      .002" stepover, cycle time was 2 hours.

    • @Packie318
      @Packie318 3 дня назад +7

      @@trevorgoforth8963 I mean a mirror finish speaks for itself, but I'm sure the carbide endmill would have looked a lot closer with the same stepover too. I would be more impressed and less skeptical if you had shown the same program ran with a similar carbide endmill rather than just showing the roughing pass with one. I think a side by side comparison would be the best way to show what a tool like this can do and if its truly necessary.

    • @Chauvin-r9u
      @Chauvin-r9u 2 дня назад

      ​@@Packie318the reality is that carbide is much like cement hard rocks in a binder carbide cannot really get sharp like highspeed I know that it looks so cool all polished and feels sharp but if you were to see the edge under a microscope you would see the problem especially after using it.
      A highspeed end mill might come close but only for a few parts before the wear started to affect the finish.
      In honeing we used poly crystalin and mono lock diamonds to hone automotive cylinders the only problem in iron was torn and folded metal that gets dislodged during use.
      Going to a three stage honing head got you hundred thousand miles warranties on power trains.
      Laser honing was next where you have a polished bore with engineered oil retention groves burned in by laser it's totally ready to go but would add a few dollars to each block.
      When you make 4 million engines in a given program $2 is huge and until absolutely needed to cut oil consumption on hold.

  • @dejanvanevski4399
    @dejanvanevski4399 3 дня назад

    Good job

  • @1320pass
    @1320pass 3 дня назад

    Curious on the cycle time and step over compared to the carbide ball nose step over...

  • @alexnoha
    @alexnoha 2 дня назад

    Do you have a DMG MORI machine?

  • @nomoslogos
    @nomoslogos 3 дня назад

    Does that machine have look-ahead? Is 55IPM about the limit for a contour like that?

  • @xTheZapper
    @xTheZapper 2 дня назад

    I'm pretty sure nature can create diamonds instantly, a carbon meteor strike for example could do it in the instant of impact. I'd be willing to bet it actually happens pretty quickly underground too, you just need high pressure and temperature, both of which are always present in the centre of the Earth, but takes ages for them to surface.

  • @somenygaard
    @somenygaard 3 дня назад

    What was that part for? Looked pretty weird, but super shiny.

  • @kazenostro
    @kazenostro День назад

    Looks expensive and like another dream

  • @Krishell
    @Krishell 3 дня назад +1

    Nice

  • @trainedtiger
    @trainedtiger 3 дня назад

    Can the controller integrate a renishaw probe and a 5 axis trunion?

  • @pbwho8746
    @pbwho8746 3 дня назад

    What are the cutting parameters? And do you have a link to the tool?

    • @trevorgoforth8963
      @trevorgoforth8963 3 дня назад +1

      10K RPM, 55 IPM, .002" stepover. If you google Horn MCD tools you will find a brochure for all of their offerings, they have a ton for milling and turning.

    • @pbwho8746
      @pbwho8746 3 дня назад

      @@trevorgoforth8963 Thank you so much! We are using a couple of their tools in our Lathe's. We also have some jobs that require a better surface finish in PMMA and Aluminum. I will contact them to see if this could benefit the proces!

    • @trevorgoforth8963
      @trevorgoforth8963 3 дня назад

      @@pbwho8746 I have a chart that provides recommended cutting data for a lot of different materials for this tool, I can send it to you if you want. We used it on PMMA and Aluminum and it worked great. There is a shot of the PMMA at 1:44. Reach out to me at trevor@titansofcnc.com and I can send you that chart!

  • @astropilot2053
    @astropilot2053 3 дня назад

    how long was one run for the part?

  • @donniehinske
    @donniehinske 3 дня назад +1

    I still can’t wrap my head around how something clear can cut metal

    • @Renegade48445
      @Renegade48445 3 дня назад

      What was his step over, tool dia? Mastercam or solidcam?

    • @JamesChurchill3
      @JamesChurchill3 3 дня назад

      Glass can cut plastic right? Same principle.

    • @trevorgoforth8963
      @trevorgoforth8963 3 дня назад

      @@Renegade48445 6mm diameter, 10K rpm, 55 IPM, .002" stepover, programmed in Mastercam

  • @philhawtin5269
    @philhawtin5269 3 дня назад

    Why no feeds and speeds?

  • @hedeisgone
    @hedeisgone 2 дня назад

    Hey bro what a name last 3d toolpath?

  • @ipadize
    @ipadize 3 дня назад

    looks shiny

  • @jones7399
    @jones7399 3 дня назад

    its a cool finish, but why keep mentioning the cost of the machine you used it in?

    • @trevorgoforth8963
      @trevorgoforth8963 3 дня назад +3

      I was just impressed that you can achieve this finish with a machine that is only 40K

  • @universe1239
    @universe1239 3 дня назад

    Just wondering if you could achieve that finish on a steel with that tool?

    • @christobel
      @christobel 2 дня назад +1

      Not possible in steel. You will encounter a chemical wear in the MCD tool after about 5 seconds in the cut and your tool will be toast.

    • @universe1239
      @universe1239 2 дня назад

      @@christobel Thank you. Would there be a good way to achieve that finish on steel with any other tool. Maybe PCD?

    • @christobel
      @christobel 2 дня назад

      @@universe1239 Burnishing with a PCD, non-fluted ball mill, can provide very nice results in steels. Check out NS-Tool or 6C-Tools AG. They produce these types of “cutters”.

  • @olliebrown89
    @olliebrown89 3 дня назад

    How much was the tool?

  • @shatter3373
    @shatter3373 3 дня назад

    what are you cooling with?

  • @pand0ras
    @pand0ras 3 дня назад

    Correction here: You can absolute machine Iron with diamonds, as long it doesn't contain any carbon.
    Materials with carbon content will cause a diffusion at the cutting edge.

    • @trevorgoforth8963
      @trevorgoforth8963 3 дня назад

      That’s false, you cannot use these tools on materials that contain iron.

    • @pand0ras
      @pand0ras 2 дня назад

      @@trevorgoforth8963 Why not? The only problem diamonds got is the diffusion of the carbon in materials like steel.

  • @jonathancarter6696
    @jonathancarter6696 2 дня назад

    Feed Rate and stepover?

  • @claytonmenezes5980
    @claytonmenezes5980 2 дня назад

    Titans of CNC have put the Japanese to shame with their speed n quality.

  • @jayaneyon9316
    @jayaneyon9316 3 дня назад

    Crazy how $38k means it's a cheap one in this context

  • @rolandtamaccio3285
    @rolandtamaccio3285 3 дня назад

    Must have missed it , what is the material ,,, ?

  • @FuIImatiK
    @FuIImatiK 3 дня назад

    sick

  • @Fabiable
    @Fabiable 3 дня назад +3

    40k machine 40k tool

  • @jayk7367
    @jayk7367 3 дня назад

    Jo horn kann was....gutes werkzeug😊

  • @PaulG.369
    @PaulG.369 3 дня назад +2

    Your Haimer is off by a .001

  • @jasonklabunde6415
    @jasonklabunde6415 3 дня назад +2

    Kinda funny when you talked about making more parts in America when your using foreign made machining equipment.

    • @TITANSofCNC
      @TITANSofCNC  3 дня назад +3

      All major shops use foreign made machines because America doesn’t make high end machines.
      Our #1 customer is 10 yr machinist who are opening a machine shop to make American made parts… only because they can now afford it… because of a low cost very nice CNC.

  • @Ron-hj1or
    @Ron-hj1or 3 дня назад +1

    Perfect, lets make it “made in the USA”

  • @soaphelps
    @soaphelps 2 дня назад +1

    it would be interesting to see if you could make the primary mirror for a reflector telescope, say 10-12 inch and how it would look.

    • @Chauvin-r9u
      @Chauvin-r9u 2 дня назад

      Yes I made first surface optics on an old Cincinnati lathe lots of them.
      Diamond tooling then diamond film aluminum is not my go to for telescopes though.
      We were combining laser beams to smash hydrogen bubbles

    • @ScuffedEngineer
      @ScuffedEngineer День назад

      With the surface finish they got, it'd be at best a long wavelength IR telescope and not a great one at that depending on the wavelength. You're looking at lambda/10-40, not accounting for form error.

  • @SnowblindOtter
    @SnowblindOtter 2 дня назад

    Good product placement. Now we know that the MCD tool can fix a middle-school D-grade roughing cut with carbide XD. What even was that finishing stepover, .230? Forty-thousand bucks for a machine that can't even get stepovers in carbide smaller than what Uri Tucherman can do with a bicycle-driven mill... pass.

    • @trevorgoforth8963
      @trevorgoforth8963 2 дня назад +1

      Lmao it’s a “semi finish pass” or do you not understand what that means? I didn’t take the time to fully finish it with carbide because it would be a waste considering I came in with the MCD tool after but yeah good one man…

  • @VladderPfaehler687
    @VladderPfaehler687 3 дня назад +1

    Omg verrückt

  • @Toxa_Kartoha
    @Toxa_Kartoha 2 дня назад

    8 µin ~ 200 nm

  • @hyounghoyoon6949
    @hyounghoyoon6949 3 дня назад

    If the machine was a linear motor type, it would have a better surface.

    • @trevorgoforth8963
      @trevorgoforth8963 3 дня назад

      Absolutely. I know Sodick makes some crazy linear motor machines. For what this machine is though, I was very impressed.

    • @hyounghoyoon6949
      @hyounghoyoon6949 3 дня назад

      @@trevorgoforth8963 Sodick is a really good machine.
      The Sokdik is a really good machine
      I am looking forward to the development of linear motor type machines from SYIL soon.
      Linear motor type machines sold by other brands are too expensive

  • @abdulltifalnuaimi
    @abdulltifalnuaimi 3 дня назад

    Can you ship? These machines to the UAE. 0:01

  • @AlchemyOfTheFourthKind
    @AlchemyOfTheFourthKind 2 дня назад

    Graphene* 0:50

  • @supremecommander2398
    @supremecommander2398 3 дня назад

    oh, a real mirror finish... looks great... or somehow, even though i have 4K screen, and watching it at 4K resolution... i get the impression you're cameras are not at the same level as those machines or tools. would it be possible to get a closeup shot, in focus, without DOF or motion blurr for more then a single frame? (not just this, video, but in general that is).

    • @mobilePCreviews
      @mobilePCreviews 3 дня назад

      7.79ra surface finish, that should tell you what you need to know.

    • @packapunchburger
      @packapunchburger 3 дня назад

      Eh , you get what you're given.

    • @clapanse
      @clapanse 3 дня назад

      @@mobilePCreviews Which, it's worth mentioning, isn't *really* a true optical grade mirror finish, but it is more than good enough to appear pretty damn shiny and smooth in person.

  • @tilakchandra7393
    @tilakchandra7393 3 дня назад +1

    This Machine used in Die mould or Production.

  • @Malyovaneey
    @Malyovaneey День назад

    Mirroring titan? That will be covered with oxid of titan in later? Click bait is stupid

  • @luismaryland2305
    @luismaryland2305 3 дня назад +2

    So, Titans of CNC laughed A LOT of Haas machines.
    Now you are promoting a Chinese machine tools company?
    It doesn't make sense....
    Sure, money 😊

  • @hayden9944
    @hayden9944 3 дня назад +1

    If you can show us how to machine stainless 316 to a mirror finish like this I will fly to America and kiss Titan on the mouth

    • @christobel
      @christobel 2 дня назад

      Look into burnishing with a non-fluted PCD ball tool from NS-Tool or 6C-Tools AG.

  • @CamoSnowman
    @CamoSnowman 3 дня назад

    Do the same part in a better machine for comparison.

  • @Factory400
    @Factory400 2 дня назад

    Go China!! USA manufacturing loves China!

  • @billdickson871
    @billdickson871 3 дня назад +1

    When you buy crap like this you support advancing the economy of a country that constantly tries to undermine ours. I understand not everything can be American but consider the Korean, Japanese and European options before this. Leave cheap trinkets for the chinese to make.

    • @markdavis304
      @markdavis304 2 дня назад

      The whole point is for someone in the US or another country to be able to afford a good machine at a great price. It's helping people to be able to start their own companies. Korean, Japanese, European machines are much more expensive.

  • @stijn9957
    @stijn9957 3 дня назад +9

    i will never buy this machine, its chinese.

    • @Vaibhav_9150
      @Vaibhav_9150 3 дня назад

      Perfect

    • @silviu2059
      @silviu2059 3 дня назад +7

      And the phone you are writing from is made in germany?

    • @followingflinn8311
      @followingflinn8311 3 дня назад

      @@silviu2059we have a choice for machines.

    • @hayden9944
      @hayden9944 3 дня назад +2

      @@silviu2059- designed in the US. Assemberry in China

    • @zeitgeist2720
      @zeitgeist2720 3 дня назад

      Hate a “Chinese sucks” ass loser

  • @mohammedalbattal77
    @mohammedalbattal77 3 дня назад +2

    First one