Add air bearings, and you can get better than 0.5μin Ra. I do this along with achieving 250nm profile tolerance. Also, you destroyed the tool when you probed it. You absolutely cannot use tactile probes with MCD tools.
Hi @cylosgarage I'm a materials science PhD student working in the fields of micro mechanics. I'm super interested in what you are doing. We usually use focused ion beams to make small structures, like pillar, to test them. But that can alter the materials properties. Would it be possible for you to machine pillars of let's say 3 um diameter and 7 um height into a polished surface? Could be super interesting to my research community!
I work as a tool maker and we need high polish on some of our aluminium moulds, although we would polish it by hand not with a fancy diamond tool. However I'm pretty sure this is mostly used for optics manufacturing
IIRC natural diamonds might actually form very quickly (potently faster than lab grown). The commonly cited formation times assume the form under conditions like what is seen today, but an alternative theory suggests that they could form much more rapidly under exceptional but short lived conditions (like magma rapidly moving towards the surface of from deep underground). But even then most of the diamond wouldn't be usable for anything but abrasive, would take many years to cool to the point they could be mined at all and even then would be hard to get to.
you should visit the IOF in Jena (Germany) .... its mind blowing what they are making ... the final metal mirror of the james webb telescope was machined there...
The surface finish was pretty cool, but could we see a 100-piece production order on the syil? And see the qwerks of the machine? In a serious material like titanium or hard steel?
@@michaelmacdonough3313 my mate only machines titanium on his X7, 6 days a week making bike parts. The quality is just as good as his Brother Speedio, but obviously a bit slower than the Speedio.
@@trevorgoforth8963 I mean a mirror finish speaks for itself, but I'm sure the carbide endmill would have looked a lot closer with the same stepover too. I would be more impressed and less skeptical if you had shown the same program ran with a similar carbide endmill rather than just showing the roughing pass with one. I think a side by side comparison would be the best way to show what a tool like this can do and if its truly necessary.
@@Packie318the reality is that carbide is much like cement hard rocks in a binder carbide cannot really get sharp like highspeed I know that it looks so cool all polished and feels sharp but if you were to see the edge under a microscope you would see the problem especially after using it. A highspeed end mill might come close but only for a few parts before the wear started to affect the finish. In honeing we used poly crystalin and mono lock diamonds to hone automotive cylinders the only problem in iron was torn and folded metal that gets dislodged during use. Going to a three stage honing head got you hundred thousand miles warranties on power trains. Laser honing was next where you have a polished bore with engineered oil retention groves burned in by laser it's totally ready to go but would add a few dollars to each block. When you make 4 million engines in a given program $2 is huge and until absolutely needed to cut oil consumption on hold.
I'm pretty sure nature can create diamonds instantly, a carbon meteor strike for example could do it in the instant of impact. I'd be willing to bet it actually happens pretty quickly underground too, you just need high pressure and temperature, both of which are always present in the centre of the Earth, but takes ages for them to surface.
10K RPM, 55 IPM, .002" stepover. If you google Horn MCD tools you will find a brochure for all of their offerings, they have a ton for milling and turning.
@@trevorgoforth8963 Thank you so much! We are using a couple of their tools in our Lathe's. We also have some jobs that require a better surface finish in PMMA and Aluminum. I will contact them to see if this could benefit the proces!
@@pbwho8746 I have a chart that provides recommended cutting data for a lot of different materials for this tool, I can send it to you if you want. We used it on PMMA and Aluminum and it worked great. There is a shot of the PMMA at 1:44. Reach out to me at trevor@titansofcnc.com and I can send you that chart!
@@universe1239 Burnishing with a PCD, non-fluted ball mill, can provide very nice results in steels. Check out NS-Tool or 6C-Tools AG. They produce these types of “cutters”.
Correction here: You can absolute machine Iron with diamonds, as long it doesn't contain any carbon. Materials with carbon content will cause a diffusion at the cutting edge.
All major shops use foreign made machines because America doesn’t make high end machines. Our #1 customer is 10 yr machinist who are opening a machine shop to make American made parts… only because they can now afford it… because of a low cost very nice CNC.
Yes I made first surface optics on an old Cincinnati lathe lots of them. Diamond tooling then diamond film aluminum is not my go to for telescopes though. We were combining laser beams to smash hydrogen bubbles
With the surface finish they got, it'd be at best a long wavelength IR telescope and not a great one at that depending on the wavelength. You're looking at lambda/10-40, not accounting for form error.
Good product placement. Now we know that the MCD tool can fix a middle-school D-grade roughing cut with carbide XD. What even was that finishing stepover, .230? Forty-thousand bucks for a machine that can't even get stepovers in carbide smaller than what Uri Tucherman can do with a bicycle-driven mill... pass.
Lmao it’s a “semi finish pass” or do you not understand what that means? I didn’t take the time to fully finish it with carbide because it would be a waste considering I came in with the MCD tool after but yeah good one man…
@@trevorgoforth8963 Sodick is a really good machine. The Sokdik is a really good machine I am looking forward to the development of linear motor type machines from SYIL soon. Linear motor type machines sold by other brands are too expensive
oh, a real mirror finish... looks great... or somehow, even though i have 4K screen, and watching it at 4K resolution... i get the impression you're cameras are not at the same level as those machines or tools. would it be possible to get a closeup shot, in focus, without DOF or motion blurr for more then a single frame? (not just this, video, but in general that is).
@@mobilePCreviews Which, it's worth mentioning, isn't *really* a true optical grade mirror finish, but it is more than good enough to appear pretty damn shiny and smooth in person.
When you buy crap like this you support advancing the economy of a country that constantly tries to undermine ours. I understand not everything can be American but consider the Korean, Japanese and European options before this. Leave cheap trinkets for the chinese to make.
The whole point is for someone in the US or another country to be able to afford a good machine at a great price. It's helping people to be able to start their own companies. Korean, Japanese, European machines are much more expensive.
Beautiful finish! Most of the time when I see a finish like that, it was done on a $300,000+ mill with a 80,000 RPM spindle
When you have time, you can use any machine you have. It probably took a coouple of weeks running non stop to polish that on syl.
@viliusr6974 clearly diddnt watch the video, it was probably a 10 minute cycle with a mcd tool 😂
Amazing finish. I had no clue these types of tools existed!
Add air bearings, and you can get better than 0.5μin Ra. I do this along with achieving 250nm profile tolerance. Also, you destroyed the tool when you probed it. You absolutely cannot use tactile probes with MCD tools.
Im very new to machining: why is that?
Hi @cylosgarage
I'm a materials science PhD student working in the fields of micro mechanics. I'm super interested in what you are doing. We usually use focused ion beams to make small structures, like pillar, to test them. But that can alter the materials properties. Would it be possible for you to machine pillars of let's say 3 um diameter and 7 um height into a polished surface?
Could be super interesting to my research community!
Is there a relatively inexpensive way to optically probe?
The touch setter is extremely sensitive and moves. It didnt destroy anything.
But you can cut aluminum with it just don’t touch anything!
Oh yeah!!! That finish is INSANE!
Nice video. I am getting a 7 to 10 RA on my Syil V5 all day long. They are great machines for the money!
now looking at horn catalog for finishing tools for my cnc lathe work, awesome !!!!
I was thinking 40k was allot for that part, I didn't realize you meant the machine. 😂 That's an amazing price.
Great video, Trevor! 🎉 I haven’t had the opportunity to with that type of tooling in my career. The surface finish is stunning!
More syil vids for us who may get one!
Just got my x7 a couple weeks ago
Congrats!
Wow! That’s insane. And beautiful finish sheesh!
Trevor is on a mill! Cool cutter and nice finish.
Thanks dude!
It has blown me too, An absolute luminous and glowy Component
That Mitutoyo scared me! Did it scratch it? You guys need a Keyence Profilometer. Far superior. Great video tho! amazing finish!
Finish is beautiful, and the tool very exotic, but a buffing wheel and a little elbow grease may be much cheaper. Works on steel too!
That could be game changing for mold making. How much do these tools cost?
Great finish! Very nice!
Nice Trevor..... But what did you make, is that an actual product or something for mother's day already?
But the finish is awesome 😊
Of course you can, with an endmill that costs almost 3000 USD, mirror finish is the least you can ask.
Dude I buy these MCD end mills on AliExpress for $40. Time to wake up.
@@raindeergames6104lol
@@raindeergames6104can you refer me to the shop you are buying from?
Still waiting for the day they make CVD sheets large enough for phone screens
How much time was that finishing path? 3 hours : O amazing
So Ra8 in inch means Ra 0,2 in metric. Thats kinda sick. But who needs like polished surfaces on non iron metals.
I work as a tool maker and we need high polish on some of our aluminium moulds, although we would polish it by hand not with a fancy diamond tool.
However I'm pretty sure this is mostly used for optics manufacturing
Optics
The youtube channel "Breaking Taps" has a video of using one of these MCD tools to make a copper mirror for optics
How long did the mirror process take?
Would have liked to see a timer in the machine to show how long the process took.
Mirror finish is wonderful technique
Dat thang look like it's been dipped in Diddy's baby oil. 😳🔥🔥🔥
I'm dead
Can you please visit an ultra high precision machining shop like NH Micro? Would be super interesting to see what they can do!
IIRC natural diamonds might actually form very quickly (potently faster than lab grown). The commonly cited formation times assume the form under conditions like what is seen today, but an alternative theory suggests that they could form much more rapidly under exceptional but short lived conditions (like magma rapidly moving towards the surface of from deep underground). But even then most of the diamond wouldn't be usable for anything but abrasive, would take many years to cool to the point they could be mined at all and even then would be hard to get to.
this is wild trevor
Thanks dude! It was a fun video to make for sure!
I'd be willing to buy one of these machines and a diamond cutting bit for $12.49 and a ham sandwich. Might need some help with the shipping though.
How expensive is a diamond mill like that, amazing finish was expected from that tooling
5:29 did the crystal chip or is it the lighting ?
the finnish is excellent
you should visit the IOF in Jena (Germany) .... its mind blowing what they are making ... the final metal mirror of the james webb telescope was machined there...
In a job shop here that just went from hss to carbide a few years ago. Now I see this😢 let's just go home.
Interesting, very nice finish.
What was the step over amount being used with that mill? Also how long was the cycle time?
0.002" stepover 2 hour finish
Trevor, what would you use on tool steel to achieve something similar? For example if you were making dies that need a mirror finish.
You should contact probe without rotating, it will probably be fine.
How long was the roughing?
How long was the finishing?
Yes.
The surface finish was pretty cool, but could we see a 100-piece production order on the syil? And see the qwerks of the machine? In a serious material like titanium or hard steel?
@@michaelmacdonough3313 my mate only machines titanium on his X7, 6 days a week making bike parts. The quality is just as good as his Brother Speedio, but obviously a bit slower than the Speedio.
Maybe you can get a better finish with a Rego-Fix PowrGrip holder easily
Damn! How long was the Run Time?
Speeds, feeds and stepover would have been helpful as well. I can imagine it was a lot of hours just in the finishing pass.
@@helicopterdriver 10K RPM, 55 IPM which comes out to .0055 IPR since it's a single flute tool, .002" stepover, 2 hour cycle time!
@@trevorgoforth8963 Faster than I thought it would be. Thanks!
I am curious what the step over was on that tool and the cycle time...
.002" stepover, cycle time was 2 hours.
@@trevorgoforth8963 I mean a mirror finish speaks for itself, but I'm sure the carbide endmill would have looked a lot closer with the same stepover too. I would be more impressed and less skeptical if you had shown the same program ran with a similar carbide endmill rather than just showing the roughing pass with one. I think a side by side comparison would be the best way to show what a tool like this can do and if its truly necessary.
@@Packie318the reality is that carbide is much like cement hard rocks in a binder carbide cannot really get sharp like highspeed I know that it looks so cool all polished and feels sharp but if you were to see the edge under a microscope you would see the problem especially after using it.
A highspeed end mill might come close but only for a few parts before the wear started to affect the finish.
In honeing we used poly crystalin and mono lock diamonds to hone automotive cylinders the only problem in iron was torn and folded metal that gets dislodged during use.
Going to a three stage honing head got you hundred thousand miles warranties on power trains.
Laser honing was next where you have a polished bore with engineered oil retention groves burned in by laser it's totally ready to go but would add a few dollars to each block.
When you make 4 million engines in a given program $2 is huge and until absolutely needed to cut oil consumption on hold.
Good job
Curious on the cycle time and step over compared to the carbide ball nose step over...
Do you have a DMG MORI machine?
Does that machine have look-ahead? Is 55IPM about the limit for a contour like that?
I'm pretty sure nature can create diamonds instantly, a carbon meteor strike for example could do it in the instant of impact. I'd be willing to bet it actually happens pretty quickly underground too, you just need high pressure and temperature, both of which are always present in the centre of the Earth, but takes ages for them to surface.
What was that part for? Looked pretty weird, but super shiny.
For RUclips.
@@JamesChurchill3 Ah, makes sense
Looks expensive and like another dream
Nice
Can the controller integrate a renishaw probe and a 5 axis trunion?
What are the cutting parameters? And do you have a link to the tool?
10K RPM, 55 IPM, .002" stepover. If you google Horn MCD tools you will find a brochure for all of their offerings, they have a ton for milling and turning.
@@trevorgoforth8963 Thank you so much! We are using a couple of their tools in our Lathe's. We also have some jobs that require a better surface finish in PMMA and Aluminum. I will contact them to see if this could benefit the proces!
@@pbwho8746 I have a chart that provides recommended cutting data for a lot of different materials for this tool, I can send it to you if you want. We used it on PMMA and Aluminum and it worked great. There is a shot of the PMMA at 1:44. Reach out to me at trevor@titansofcnc.com and I can send you that chart!
how long was one run for the part?
I still can’t wrap my head around how something clear can cut metal
What was his step over, tool dia? Mastercam or solidcam?
Glass can cut plastic right? Same principle.
@@Renegade48445 6mm diameter, 10K rpm, 55 IPM, .002" stepover, programmed in Mastercam
Why no feeds and speeds?
Hey bro what a name last 3d toolpath?
looks shiny
its a cool finish, but why keep mentioning the cost of the machine you used it in?
I was just impressed that you can achieve this finish with a machine that is only 40K
Just wondering if you could achieve that finish on a steel with that tool?
Not possible in steel. You will encounter a chemical wear in the MCD tool after about 5 seconds in the cut and your tool will be toast.
@@christobel Thank you. Would there be a good way to achieve that finish on steel with any other tool. Maybe PCD?
@@universe1239 Burnishing with a PCD, non-fluted ball mill, can provide very nice results in steels. Check out NS-Tool or 6C-Tools AG. They produce these types of “cutters”.
How much was the tool?
what are you cooling with?
Blaser Synergy 735
Correction here: You can absolute machine Iron with diamonds, as long it doesn't contain any carbon.
Materials with carbon content will cause a diffusion at the cutting edge.
That’s false, you cannot use these tools on materials that contain iron.
@@trevorgoforth8963 Why not? The only problem diamonds got is the diffusion of the carbon in materials like steel.
Feed Rate and stepover?
55 IPM, .002” step over
Titans of CNC have put the Japanese to shame with their speed n quality.
Crazy how $38k means it's a cheap one in this context
Must have missed it , what is the material ,,, ?
Aluminum
sick
40k machine 40k tool
Jo horn kann was....gutes werkzeug😊
Your Haimer is off by a .001
Kinda funny when you talked about making more parts in America when your using foreign made machining equipment.
All major shops use foreign made machines because America doesn’t make high end machines.
Our #1 customer is 10 yr machinist who are opening a machine shop to make American made parts… only because they can now afford it… because of a low cost very nice CNC.
Perfect, lets make it “made in the USA”
it would be interesting to see if you could make the primary mirror for a reflector telescope, say 10-12 inch and how it would look.
Yes I made first surface optics on an old Cincinnati lathe lots of them.
Diamond tooling then diamond film aluminum is not my go to for telescopes though.
We were combining laser beams to smash hydrogen bubbles
With the surface finish they got, it'd be at best a long wavelength IR telescope and not a great one at that depending on the wavelength. You're looking at lambda/10-40, not accounting for form error.
Good product placement. Now we know that the MCD tool can fix a middle-school D-grade roughing cut with carbide XD. What even was that finishing stepover, .230? Forty-thousand bucks for a machine that can't even get stepovers in carbide smaller than what Uri Tucherman can do with a bicycle-driven mill... pass.
Lmao it’s a “semi finish pass” or do you not understand what that means? I didn’t take the time to fully finish it with carbide because it would be a waste considering I came in with the MCD tool after but yeah good one man…
Omg verrückt
8 µin ~ 200 nm
If the machine was a linear motor type, it would have a better surface.
Absolutely. I know Sodick makes some crazy linear motor machines. For what this machine is though, I was very impressed.
@@trevorgoforth8963 Sodick is a really good machine.
The Sokdik is a really good machine
I am looking forward to the development of linear motor type machines from SYIL soon.
Linear motor type machines sold by other brands are too expensive
Can you ship? These machines to the UAE. 0:01
Graphene* 0:50
oh, a real mirror finish... looks great... or somehow, even though i have 4K screen, and watching it at 4K resolution... i get the impression you're cameras are not at the same level as those machines or tools. would it be possible to get a closeup shot, in focus, without DOF or motion blurr for more then a single frame? (not just this, video, but in general that is).
7.79ra surface finish, that should tell you what you need to know.
Eh , you get what you're given.
@@mobilePCreviews Which, it's worth mentioning, isn't *really* a true optical grade mirror finish, but it is more than good enough to appear pretty damn shiny and smooth in person.
This Machine used in Die mould or Production.
Mirroring titan? That will be covered with oxid of titan in later? Click bait is stupid
So, Titans of CNC laughed A LOT of Haas machines.
Now you are promoting a Chinese machine tools company?
It doesn't make sense....
Sure, money 😊
If you can show us how to machine stainless 316 to a mirror finish like this I will fly to America and kiss Titan on the mouth
Look into burnishing with a non-fluted PCD ball tool from NS-Tool or 6C-Tools AG.
Do the same part in a better machine for comparison.
Go China!! USA manufacturing loves China!
When you buy crap like this you support advancing the economy of a country that constantly tries to undermine ours. I understand not everything can be American but consider the Korean, Japanese and European options before this. Leave cheap trinkets for the chinese to make.
The whole point is for someone in the US or another country to be able to afford a good machine at a great price. It's helping people to be able to start their own companies. Korean, Japanese, European machines are much more expensive.
i will never buy this machine, its chinese.
Perfect
And the phone you are writing from is made in germany?
@@silviu2059we have a choice for machines.
@@silviu2059- designed in the US. Assemberry in China
Hate a “Chinese sucks” ass loser
First one