Maximizing Work Envelope by Machining Removable Tool Setter

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  • Опубликовано: 3 фев 2025

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  • @jaizenfisher7195
    @jaizenfisher7195 10 месяцев назад +38

    It's nice to see the Titans do something more simple just for convenience, I absolutely love the big parts and videos, but this trade is a variety if nothing else!

  • @trevorgoforth8963
    @trevorgoforth8963 10 месяцев назад +22

    Wow the X5 handled these parts beautifully! Very nice work Jessie, great design and execution!

  • @dominikgoluch6559
    @dominikgoluch6559 10 месяцев назад +19

    I really like the longer style machining videos! Way to go!

  • @timmontano8792
    @timmontano8792 10 месяцев назад +23

    Looks good. The user is going to have to clean the crap off both surfaces before each usage though.
    Also, those magnates are going to attract chips like crazy.
    Still a worth while upgrade. Great job.

    • @BrassTaxMaster
      @BrassTaxMaster 10 месяцев назад +5

      Exactly. This would be great running anything non magnetic such as aluminum or graphite, but regular old steel would not be ideal. I used to run plate jobs on mag tables and booooy let me tell you, they're a pain. 120 psi of direct air was not enough to keep chips from sticking down inside pockets and busting tools when they hit a big pile.

    • @matthewmays1934
      @matthewmays1934 10 месяцев назад +9

      I think I'd 3d print a cover that will sit below the part the took setting is attached to that will go down below and cover the part that is mounted to the machine

  • @empireages241
    @empireages241 10 месяцев назад +6

    Just to say, from a long time viewer, it's one of your best video from lately. Keep up !

  • @markdavis304
    @markdavis304 10 месяцев назад +4

    Awesome simple solution Jessie. Need all the extra space you can when working with smaller machines!

  • @JohnSL
    @JohnSL 10 месяцев назад +1

    Exact Engineering has sold something like this for a few years. I have one on my Haas OM-2A, which is an even smaller machine, so having the tool setter removable was very important.

    • @Thepriest39
      @Thepriest39 10 месяцев назад

      Thanks for the info. Going to buy one today.

    • @exactengineeringllc5254
      @exactengineeringllc5254 10 месяцев назад

      Hi John, thank you for your purchase! I saw your video aligning the tool probe mount at an angle, clever use of g-code!

  • @WalterGuy
    @WalterGuy 10 месяцев назад +2

    Nice simple DIY version of a kinematic base. Look forward to more convenience/improvement content like this.

  • @jbrownson
    @jbrownson 10 месяцев назад +4

    Great video, love the ones with the crazy chips too, but fun to see an innovative project start to finish on a machine you can get at home

  • @jeremymatthies726
    @jeremymatthies726 10 месяцев назад +1

    @Titans of CNC that part with Jessie taking off and on the tool setter in fast forward seems like the fastest he's worked 🤣.
    @Jessie sorry buddy, I couldn't resist that one. You did a wicked job on those parts and they made very logical sense to me (one who isn't a machinist). It would be cool if you did a video on how you came up with the design on the computer, don't know about anyone else, but that is always a interesting aspect of things, not just making the part which is always super cool.
    Keep up the awesome work you guys do, always looking forward to seeing what comes out next.

  • @danmenes3143
    @danmenes3143 10 месяцев назад +2

    I was just thinking about making a removable toolsetter mount along these lines, to drop into the Saunders fixture plate on my Tormach. Great minds think alike!

  • @abdallah11882
    @abdallah11882 10 месяцев назад

    Very nice, I have the X7 and am doing this for sure, another reason for me will be to keep the tool setter away from coolant and chips when not necessary.

  • @gillisdebilio7086
    @gillisdebilio7086 10 месяцев назад

    Thats shurly the most satisfying clicking sound ever. The sound of a job well done!

  • @warrenriley7716
    @warrenriley7716 10 месяцев назад +1

    I came for the vulgarity I stayed for the precision. Problem, idea , execution, problem solved, feels great! Good job.

  • @nickkoop4447
    @nickkoop4447 10 месяцев назад

    Genuinely one of my favourite videos from you guys. Love it!

  • @KylieGranno
    @KylieGranno 10 месяцев назад

    Real Deal Steel Jessie! Great video on solving problems!

  • @adamhayes2528
    @adamhayes2528 10 месяцев назад

    Awesome video Jessie and Tyler! It's incredible what this machine can do

  • @-_-----
    @-_----- 10 месяцев назад

    This is what it's all about... using tools and tradecraft to bootstrap productivity 👌Very cozy video.

  • @comradezoned
    @comradezoned 10 месяцев назад +12

    This design is great, but it is technically over-constrained. With four lobes, you introduce a sort of rocking along your perpendicular axes if your mating surfaces are any less than perfect.
    Three lobes would make for a proper kinematic coupling, increasing your stability and repeatability with less strict tolerances required on the final part.

    • @dutchr4zor
      @dutchr4zor 10 месяцев назад

      I've worked with Thorlabs 3 point magnetic kinematic bases, however they never really seem to hold anything securely since it's quite easy to knock them loose. (or maybe Thorlabs should use heavier magnets, they're initially meant for optics after all)

    • @michaelkelly3158
      @michaelkelly3158 3 месяца назад

      So what would you do? Have the same chamfered mating surfaces, but with three only, and spread out 120 degrees?

  • @EZ_shop
    @EZ_shop 10 месяцев назад

    Awesome video Jessie, I loved it. The removable base is a stroke of genius, and I'd totally buy one with my machine (when the time comes). Ciao, Marco.

  • @tugyjones6690
    @tugyjones6690 10 месяцев назад +2

    just bought the same thing from exact engineering, was thinking of making one too just to do it, this may have sealed the deal on that.

  • @alleneveland6466
    @alleneveland6466 10 месяцев назад +1

    Great idea for a simple part and something very useful! Great video!

  • @theom7476
    @theom7476 10 месяцев назад

    Lovely job. Thats a great way of getting the most out of a smaller table. It seams likely that ferrous swarf could stick to the magnets on the mount though.

  • @donbotting5700
    @donbotting5700 10 месяцев назад +1

    Great video. Print a cover for the table mount so magnetic chips don’t clog up the magnets.

  • @chrismorton9736
    @chrismorton9736 10 месяцев назад

    Great Idea, sometimes the simplest things just seem to work the best

  • @exactengineeringllc5254
    @exactengineeringllc5254 10 месяцев назад +4

    Great idea! However this design is subject to repeatability loss from surface deformations and wear due to over-constraint. For this application an exact constraint kinematic mount is best. Kinematic mounts remove exactly 6 degrees of freedom, no more, no less. When properly implemented, they don't suffer the repeatability issues associated with over-constraint. Two classic kinematic mount types are the Maxwell and Kelvin. For the same reasons expressed in this video, we designed and ultimately patented a Maxwell type kinematic de-mountable tool probe mount that will repeat to a few microns or less. Check out our system if you dont want to build your own.

    • @iDiveDOTtv
      @iDiveDOTtv 10 месяцев назад +1

      I'm interested to know how much wear you'd expect from replacing this a few times a year while it's made of a fairly hard steel

    • @exactengineeringllc5254
      @exactengineeringllc5254 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@iDiveDOTtvIts hard to say how long it will last due to the uncertainty of the contacting surfaces and how they are removing each degree of freedom. If all surfaces are in perfect contact (not possible) it would likely probably last forever. However, in this design, there's too many surfaces competing for final alignment, hence over-constrained. What makes kinematic mounts so incredibly repeatable is the constraint surfaces are discrete and exactly constrained. Am not saying Jessie's design cannot be made to work, it just needs to be as, or more repeatable than the tool probe, (which btw uses a kinematic mount for the stylus deflection). Hope this answers your question.

  • @kierangcollins
    @kierangcollins 10 месяцев назад

    Great video. Great parts. I recently got the same machine and tool setter. Learning how to use it with the acedemy. Would definetly like that on my machine. Thank you.

  • @teekteekteekteek
    @teekteekteekteek 10 месяцев назад

    Very nice! Well executed as expected from Jessie 😁.
    The only Fly in the ointment are the magnets in case you want to murdering some steel. I see a lot of chips attaching to your tool setter. Small little disadvantage

  • @angelasmith1405
    @angelasmith1405 10 месяцев назад

    It's awesome getting to watch you at work.

  • @frankf.7970
    @frankf.7970 10 месяцев назад

    Really nice idea, but be careful with small chips. They can hang on the magnet. But the idea is really good. Love it

  • @nathanthomas8184
    @nathanthomas8184 10 месяцев назад

    Great innovation Jessie its already paid for its self

  • @christophervillalpando5865
    @christophervillalpando5865 10 месяцев назад +1

    Great video Jessie!

  • @MaskboiSenpai
    @MaskboiSenpai 10 месяцев назад +1

    A good way to touch off parts on the second side would be just touch on the Parallels themself (or on the Vices Ways), in my opinion its a foolproof way to do it. Same with touching off Y- on the Vices Fixed Jaw, since thats where the part will land up anyway. (Unless your part is Warped ofc)

  • @Arthur-ue5vz
    @Arthur-ue5vz 10 месяцев назад

    Nice add-on!
    You should offer these as an option for the machines! 😊

  • @adygee
    @adygee 10 месяцев назад

    Enjoyed that; thanks Jessie!👍😁

  • @johnspathonis1078
    @johnspathonis1078 10 месяцев назад

    I built a different design base for my X7 tool setter. I do not have a regular need to remove the tool setter (but I can) but the original position takes up too much table space. I see that your tool setter could be moved in the Y direction. The edge of the setter base can be moved in the Y direction so that it is about 10mm from the table edge. My base raised the tool setter by 60mm as the X7 cannot measure very short tools with the original configuration. Also a design improvement/requirement is to relocate the mounting bolt. Additionally I moved it to the left outside the tool setter base. This way the tool setter can be moved as an assembly without interfering with its calibration. Moving it back into position is easy as there is a calibration program that re-establishes the position of the tool setter. In summary move tool setter in Y direction, raise the setter and use a single hold down bolt outside of the tool setter to the left in the dead zone. (If a job interferes with the tool setter just slide it to the left within the dead zone.) There is about 150mm of unused table space on both ends outside the machining envelope in the X direction. Traditionally the vice is mounted in the Y direction. With my 4th axis permanently fitted, I find it easier to quickly mount a 100mm vice on centreline in the X direction. (I still have the option of fitting my 150mm vice in the Y direction.) As the 100mm vice has a longitudinal key that fits into the center slot, re-traming the vice is not necessary. This may be an option for your X7. Cheers

  • @andreygrakhovsky2269
    @andreygrakhovsky2269 10 месяцев назад

    Отличная идея. Спасибо. Много интересного нашел на вашем канале.

  • @jtarver8256
    @jtarver8256 10 месяцев назад

    I think it's a great idea and I totally want one, guess I'll have to make me one. Thanks for what you guys do

  • @nikitamaksimovich8641
    @nikitamaksimovich8641 10 месяцев назад

    Like this video so much 👌 not difficult and you describe everything you do- that’s awesome to compare for middle skills Machinist to check ourselves 👌
    Please, make more videos like that!

  • @Kardos55
    @Kardos55 10 месяцев назад

    Beautiful executions - as always!

  • @donniehinske
    @donniehinske 10 месяцев назад

    Awesome work Jessie!

  • @mesikamoto
    @mesikamoto 10 месяцев назад

    Very nice design and machining, bravo

  • @Kiboz2000
    @Kiboz2000 10 месяцев назад

    Such a great idea such a great machine and such a great video..I enjoy the whole video.

  • @viliusr6974
    @viliusr6974 10 месяцев назад

    Great video. And a great holder design with some clever features. Please share CAD if possible. Looks like a nice project.

  • @tylergilbertson4086
    @tylergilbertson4086 10 месяцев назад +4

    If you need a sharper knife just talk to Keith. I was already in touch with him about sending you guys some of my Gil-Tek RUKs which are razor blades to use around the shop.

    • @barrysetzer
      @barrysetzer 10 месяцев назад +2

      Heck yeah!!!!!

    • @Jessie_Smith
      @Jessie_Smith 10 месяцев назад +2

      that would be awesome! I am a knife fan myself, you can never have too many!

    • @ruking_around
      @ruking_around 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@Jessie_Smith
      @barrysetzer Right now as we speak I am currently working on a new folding knife. Once I get them done I will have to send one to you as well. But just talk to Keith, He has my contact info and I will get some out to you guys. Made In America and veteran owned!

  • @adavid7901
    @adavid7901 10 месяцев назад

    That’s a nifty idea. I’d like to have one for my machines at work.

  • @OutOfTolerance1
    @OutOfTolerance1 10 месяцев назад

    Great Job. I would love one for my X7. One of my biggest fears is losing the probe tip due to chip wrap while drilling.

  • @cristianconrads9109
    @cristianconrads9109 10 месяцев назад

    It was so satisfying that I can get you more juice for tapping :)

  • @BogdanS92
    @BogdanS92 10 месяцев назад +1

    Love the idea, super cool

  • @MrRctintin
    @MrRctintin 10 месяцев назад +1

    Thanks Jessie, one of the best videos you guys have done in a long time. Back to basics, well presented, that was great. X5 handled the steel well.
    Any chance this part can be downloaded as a CAD file?

  • @barrysetzer
    @barrysetzer 10 месяцев назад +2

    Very cool idea!!!

  • @15andye
    @15andye 7 месяцев назад

    we mostly do tapping on our cnc's i go to 50% thread most of the time in steels which just means m6x1 i drill a 5.2mm instead of 5. ill do that unless they specify a tolerance like 2b class of fit. the tap will last longer. aluminum i do 75%. you'll find most of fasteners you buy the inner diameter is really big

  • @EdwardJackson-j2r
    @EdwardJackson-j2r 3 месяца назад

    think about adding a lip (snap-in lip) on that device to keep the magnets in place

  • @edkcustoms
    @edkcustoms 10 месяцев назад

    Loving this content! 👍 Keep it going!

  • @theodoreshasta7846
    @theodoreshasta7846 10 месяцев назад

    Bingo! Nicely done.

  • @koenvandijk7245
    @koenvandijk7245 10 месяцев назад

    Just make a nice mountingplate for 6 Unilock 0 point clampingsystem. Gone with the bolts and the indicating if a vice sits square and so forth..
    an aluminium plate with two knobs to mount the toolsetter on..
    makes life so much easier

  • @theinvestinghouse
    @theinvestinghouse 10 месяцев назад

    I’d print a chip shield so that chips don’t stick to the magnets every time it’s on there. Or redesign it so that the magnets are more recessed and shielded from chips sticking.

  • @sedled2829
    @sedled2829 10 месяцев назад

    Great prototype

  • @Isa-np9gy
    @Isa-np9gy 10 месяцев назад

    Lo que veo es como seria esta nueva pieza ya cuando esta trabajando, ¿Le caera alguna basura o alguna rebaba, o alguno otra cosa?, que dañe el mecanismo, sabemos que si esta limpio no habra problema, pero si se quita o si le cae basura a los imanes sera muy dificil quitar la rebaba. Pero el trabajo esta muy bien realizado. Good job

  • @B3msprototyping
    @B3msprototyping 10 месяцев назад

    That would be awesome to have!! See but a .0001" repeatability is spectacular!! Especially when you consider the price of the machine! Will mine be ready for pickup by May 2nd????👀👀👀

  • @rick30367
    @rick30367 10 месяцев назад

    nice to see how they get scared of tapping in a mill. (could of just used coolant for almost any size tap and slowed the speed to 20 sfm and calc the feed) this is my basic starter recommended for a 1/2 tap. this was not a diss on them. I enjoy the videos they make.

  • @tapew6254
    @tapew6254 10 месяцев назад

    love it, but i think the magnets are going to be a problem. would suck to have to take them out to clean them out everytime other than that, its pretty solid!

  • @Imba-gt7qi
    @Imba-gt7qi 10 месяцев назад

    Mine is like an triangle, has 2 magnets far outside of the worktable where the base is, a 3rd leg with a adjusment screw is on the worktablesurface. This triangle has an good repeatprecision. On top of this triangle, inside the workarea, the tool length sensor is located. In your configuration it is theoretical possible to reach your base with an 2 inch shell mill. If something is theoretical possible, it will happen sure. Unlucky your maschines wont fit in my workshop.. So i have to use smaller Maschines with multi purpose functions.

  • @jayh.3085
    @jayh.3085 10 месяцев назад

    Enjoyed the longer content but for me magnets are no go. Never be able to keep the chips from sticking. I think using a cam-lock would be a better solution.

  • @nendhang
    @nendhang 10 месяцев назад +1

    hey in DOF perspective that's still over constrained, why don't you use kinematics mount with 3 balls and 6 pins or 3 v groove so it has perfect constrain, you can use one magnet at the middle?

    • @Jessie_Smith
      @Jessie_Smith 10 месяцев назад +2

      I originally designed this so the locating features can be ground to size after heat treating the parts. making them like this would allow you to put them in a straight line against a shoulder and send the grinding wheel all the way down the parts. I realize a 3 point feature would suffice in restraining all axes of freedom but would make it more difficult to grind. I have seen the designs you are talking about with the pins and the locating balls and I was also trying to come up with something that could be made all on these machines without much input in case we want to share these files with others that may want to make one for themselves. I never said this was the perfect design and I know it isn't but it worked well and it was simple to produce.

  • @brizv
    @brizv 10 месяцев назад

    9:16 I fainted when I heard “mm”.😂 love from India 😊

  • @BoskiBasista
    @BoskiBasista 10 месяцев назад

    I see one disadvantage - the base is not protected against dirt and mechanical damage. I suggest adding a fourth element - a plug.

  • @averyb1998
    @averyb1998 4 месяца назад

    How do i get one?? Actually i need 3 of them!! This would open up so many options of machining multiple parts on different work offset !! If there is a link I'd love to know it !! Make things so much easier in the shop for sure !!!

  • @minerboy6766
    @minerboy6766 10 месяцев назад

    These guys need to do a collab with inheretance machining

  • @josefodunga
    @josefodunga 10 месяцев назад

    Would also be great if you put the calibration procedure as it wasn't obvious with my X5. Thanks

  • @djo_man
    @djo_man 10 месяцев назад +2

    Damn, those Schunk vices are Sexy. I'm still a big fan of how modular they are, and I'm considering asking my boss if we can invest in a set to use with our UMC1000.

    • @trevorgoforth8963
      @trevorgoforth8963 10 месяцев назад +1

      Awesome sale going on with a lot of Schunk products right now on our online store so if you are going to do it, now would be a great time! They are amazing products.

    • @Jessie_Smith
      @Jessie_Smith 10 месяцев назад

      The Schunk vises will definitely spoil you. Especially the ones with the built in torque mechanism.

    • @djo_man
      @djo_man 10 месяцев назад

      @@trevorgoforth8963 @Jessie_Smith I'm really tempted, but our first priority at our shop is to finish moving in to our new location and finish setting up. If we get our five axis running before the sale ends, I'm definitely going to ask for a pair of them!

  • @RAGEAMUS
    @RAGEAMUS 10 месяцев назад +2

    That's slick 👍

  • @alland2888
    @alland2888 10 месяцев назад

    Great idea, but what about the swarf getting stuck to it and playing havoc with the repeatability of it?

  • @R.W.89
    @R.W.89 10 месяцев назад

    We tap down to m2.5(diameter 1/10 inch) in our machines, atleast in aluminium. But M4 and lower are dubious. If you take several passes and there are chips left, you're pretty screwed. Once it's dialed in and you run with the drills in the upper diameter tolerance, it's mostly fine. Not in 3d printed stuff though. That stuff is HELL to tap.

  • @bob3104558
    @bob3104558 10 месяцев назад

    I can't believe you let your Haimer run in that tool changer. Potentially getting coolant and chips, as well as slinging around.

  • @nelsongarcia9004
    @nelsongarcia9004 10 месяцев назад

    Thx Jessie. Great job. I always enjoy your videos, I for one, appreciate it 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻. I’ve search and cannot find do happen to have a video on that shunk vice system your using for this project?

  • @lebigeon
    @lebigeon 9 месяцев назад

    is the lack of lubricant only for the video or is it something that you guys actually do, because the tools must be pipping hot afterwards

  • @grizzlyrags62
    @grizzlyrags62 10 месяцев назад

    I definitely need this for my X7. Are you going to upload the plans?

  • @jaredfaustino6493
    @jaredfaustino6493 4 месяца назад

    are you able to provide any of us with the solid model you designed to create this awesome design???

  • @holtonhall6348
    @holtonhall6348 10 месяцев назад

    Do y’all plan on releasing the CAD files for this? This would be a killer addition

  • @01sigh
    @01sigh 10 месяцев назад

    I think it would be great if you encapsulate the magnets instead of having them exposed. That way you don't have to worry about them corroding over time and it's easier to clean the chips off if they get stuck to the magnets.

  • @ivanwaupoose7757
    @ivanwaupoose7757 10 месяцев назад

    It would be a good video on how to calibrate that tool setter.

  • @joaquingarcia8119
    @joaquingarcia8119 10 месяцев назад

    Loved watching the video. I would love to make one for my cnc machine. Is there a way we can purchase the program from you. I want to prove to my guys that solid carbide endmills is the way to go. And they speed at which we should be working

  • @dlfabrications
    @dlfabrications 10 месяцев назад +1

    Maybe this is a bad idea but could you not make a tapered hole in the table and make a tool holder that would fit in this tapered hole like you find in the spindle and tool holder. Of course this would be done on a much smaller scale as not to interfere with the functionality of the table? 🤔🤔

  • @RoboDriller
    @RoboDriller 2 месяца назад

    Why did you use the special tapping fluid vs the flood coolant?

  • @henriksiems
    @henriksiems 4 месяца назад

    I really like that part. But how do make sure, that the magnets stay on the right part while removing it from the table. If I do stuff like this Murphy’s law always attacks me and the magnets stay on the wrong site if not make an undercut or something like that.

  • @dalegrand6390
    @dalegrand6390 10 месяцев назад

    Great Device! You should sell them.

  • @matthewgowan7546
    @matthewgowan7546 8 месяцев назад

    Is there still no CAD files on the titan site for this? I went to look for the solid models to machine one today.

  • @tipohungary
    @tipohungary 10 месяцев назад

    I like that magnetic setter, but what about swarf? Doesn't it catch a lot of it and make it weird to clean? I was also thinking about the sharp chips may scratch/damage the adapter on table. Is it going to be an issue?

  • @chriscatonthrives
    @chriscatonthrives 10 месяцев назад

    Question, being a newbie to CNC, could you have made the middle section thicker to space the tool setter up higher to clear things like vices?

  • @HaydenEllel
    @HaydenEllel 10 месяцев назад +1

    i love cNC

  • @EdwardJackson-j2r
    @EdwardJackson-j2r 3 месяца назад

    why don't you have lubricaton being sprayed on your milling heads while it's milling. Am I missing something?

  • @yagermeister1303
    @yagermeister1303 10 месяцев назад

    Good idea but for a small machine i think it's better to preset tools. On machine tool setters are very convinient but you loose spindle time

  • @mh73020
    @mh73020 10 месяцев назад

    Will there be a video of the x,y repeatability???

  • @minigpracing3068
    @minigpracing3068 10 месяцев назад

    If you ground the mating surfaces, would that get you the tenth in repeatability?

  • @misfit3050
    @misfit3050 10 месяцев назад

    Do you think chips are going to attach to the wall mounted one and then stick to the bottom of the presetter when you go to put it on the table one? or even chips magnetizing to the table one?

  • @berntinulkshredder
    @berntinulkshredder 10 месяцев назад

    Now you have a product already!!

  • @tonywilliams4697
    @tonywilliams4697 10 месяцев назад

    Great Idea!

  • @Xphinity
    @Xphinity 10 месяцев назад

    Why did you have to build that vice? What are the benefits?

  • @ostry599
    @ostry599 10 месяцев назад

    Real true usefull video. Nice.