What is happening with Flutter

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  • Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
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    In this video, we're going to discuss what is happening with Flutter and its downfall. We'll cover the pros and cons of Flutter and give you our opinion on whether it's good or bad.
    So what is Flutter, and is it good or bad? We'll discuss all of that in this video and give you a good overview of the situation. If you're interested in learning more about Flutter, then make sure to watch it!

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  • @mahirabbas3700
    @mahirabbas3700 Год назад +370

    thanks nerd

    • @shlokbhakta2893
      @shlokbhakta2893 11 месяцев назад +8

      Gottem 😂, bro never expected it

  • @stagfoo
    @stagfoo Год назад +90

    I recently started flutter and its actually amazing a much nicer experience then recent react/ts projects and it compiles to a nice binary at the end including linux

    • @typecraft_dev
      @typecraft_dev  Год назад +9

      Right? I like flutter

    • @nomejodas2978
      @nomejodas2978 Год назад +11

      Flutter is smooth as butter

    • @typecraft_dev
      @typecraft_dev  Год назад +7

      must be a crime to have such a good rhyme@@nomejodas2978

    • @lucascamelo3079
      @lucascamelo3079 3 месяца назад

      I liked my experience building a app in flutter. Next time I'll try React out. I already installed react in my computer, but couldn't get the android SDK and emulator working on it yet.

    • @stagfoo
      @stagfoo 3 месяца назад

      @lucascamelo3079 there is a command "flutter doctor" which should help you trouble shoot the sdk but yeah give react native a go also Expo is very nice

  • @THEMithrandir09
    @THEMithrandir09 Год назад +393

    The problem that dev has, is that they're a flutter developer. If you say you're an "insert framework here"-developer, you just show the world that you're unable to extract the useful patterns you learned working with a framework and transfer and apply these skills somewhere else. After 3 years of programming, switching to a different language shouldn't be a hurdle, much less the framework. I know for a frontend-dev switching away from flutter means learning typescript, kotlin or swift as well as the relevant frameworks, but if they branded themselves as a software engineer that excels at flutter but also was able to solve these specific problems (e.g. working with relational and object databases, setting up APIs, implementing p2p chat, or whatever else) using interesting technologies, they'd get a job for sure.

    • @FilledStacks
      @FilledStacks Год назад +2

      Well said

    • @black-purple-dev
      @black-purple-dev Год назад

      I believe that every developer no matter his field should have a moderate understanding of how the web technologies works, basics of networking protocols (http, websockets...) different API types (REST, SOAP, GraphQL...) how to deploy a simple web app to vercel or host a simple nodejs API on Heroku or AWS depoending on your preferences and budget. Fiddle a bit with BaaSs like Firebase and Supebase even AWS amplify. Because if you don't give yourself the change to discover new horizons or you'll be literally deprecated if the world wakes up one day and decides that the framework you're proficient in is gonna be thrown to garbage because of some big company from FAANG creating a new stable and superior technology of course companies take time to switch especially big ones but since you weren't trying other things in your free time you ended up lost in stress and pressure that you might lose your job in the upcoming months/years.

    • @adxxtya
      @adxxtya Год назад +4

      I guess the poster meant that there are no opportunities left for the specific technology that they "invested into professionally" in their country, even I would be pissed if I am investing into something for years and then it won't return me anything, it would feel like I wasted my time and money for something that yields me no results, although I do get that learning one framework and branding yourself with that is bad to showcase your overall skills, but dude I invested so much of my money and time into it, I do wanna get called by this "technology developer", example I am a Senior React Developer. Still the poster meant that there are no Flutter openings in their country (Canada) as no one seems to be using it, so you should understand people better beforehand

    • @kazerdira4704
      @kazerdira4704 Год назад +2

      I learn flutter for a long term may be more than two years problem is :flutter is so lovable but let s be honest it is something you add to your skills not a skill to find a work with it , like sql , sql is important but you should be good in js or whatever , and add i am also good in sql ,
      I m good with apis , bloc and getx , flutter is the most overrated thing here , i still learn and enjoy to discover dart and flutter , i am just lucky coding is not my main work in life , but honestly flutter ? In few days here i was talking to some little company he said (it is buttons and jumping between screens) (frontend for some ppl) true or false it is the way they see frontend , so be good in laravel or django or nodejs then have a little idea about flutter that s what companies asks for , i stopped flutter 😢 and with my first 40 days of flask i start to getting emails for work , other thing... did you notice how much there is flutter youtube channels i mean seriously !!! ? Those all are people who learned flutter and they cant work with it yes i know some have channels and they work in flutter , it is very sad but true ,

    • @FilledStacks
      @FilledStacks Год назад

      @@kazerdira4704 This is not to brag but I've generated $600k USD in using Flutter and if I didn't close down my agency I would have doubled that most likely.
      The problem is that there's a lot of companies using older technology, that can't hire for new ones. But the benefit of Flutter is that there are companies out there simply looking for apps, they don't care what it's built with, and if you can deliver high-quality work, faster than other agencies, that's easier to maintain and update you can make a lot of money, regardless of what technology you use.
      I turn down a lot of Flutter work and job opportunities. But that's not because I'm a Flutter expert, it's because I'm a good software engineer, and I can work in any language, in any framework and deliver outstanding results.
      If there was a focus on software engineering fundamentals instead of frameworks, then those developers would be in the same situation.

  • @andrejvujic
    @andrejvujic Год назад +337

    1:52 Flutter doesn't use the native platform renderers, that's what React Native does. Flutter uses it's own rendering engine called Skia (as of recently there's a new one called Impeller) and it paints it's own custom pixels on the screen. That's why React Native apps look and feel more native than Flutter apps. When you render a text view in React Native it truly is the system's underlying native text view (for example TextView in Android and UITextView in iOS apps). Although that comes at a cost: performance. Flutter apps are faster than RN apps.
    Just wanted to point this out. I love Flutter and I use it almost everyday. It's far better than RN in my opinion.

    • @typecraft_dev
      @typecraft_dev  Год назад +47

      thanks for the clarification. I definitely didn't articulate that as well as you

    • @forktrader7870
      @forktrader7870 Год назад +3

      It uses Impaler as a rendering engine now.

    • @LEONARDO-xs2ke
      @LEONARDO-xs2ke Год назад +5

      Are you still living in 2016? Heard of Hermes engine? Catch up boi

    • @LEONARDO-xs2ke
      @LEONARDO-xs2ke Год назад +1

      Flutter is a huge failure, no company uses it. Flutter is only popular among low iq college students. React Native is used by big multinational companies. Flutter lost long ago

    • @psclip3309
      @psclip3309 Год назад +7

      New Update, Flutter uses Impeller render, which has several advantages, like access to low level GPU, fix jank issue, its looks like game engine made for flutter, it can do 3D too

  • @Thr111ce
    @Thr111ce Год назад +57

    I dont think learning can be bad. The problem is in the "i am X developer".
    Dude, just use whatever.
    Im mostly working with React/Node, doesnt mean i wont touch java, php, or whatever tool i need for the job.

    • @typecraft_dev
      @typecraft_dev  Год назад +5

      I agree 100%

    • @robotinike
      @robotinike Год назад +1

      Concordo plenamente. Atuo com Java/Kotlin com Angular, porém minha base é dornet e react. Tenho trabalhos em python, PHP....sou um dev, foquei em uma linguagem e depois fui vendo as demais. O ponto é fortalecer a base

    • @32zim32
      @32zim32 Год назад

      People just want to become professionals in some field. If you will jump from lang to lang, frame to frame and so on, you will soon realize that it is almost impossible to keep all this knowledge base in your head

    • @adxxtya
      @adxxtya Год назад

      I guess the poster meant that there are no opportunities left for the specific technology that they "invested into professionally" in their country, even I would be pissed if I am investing into something for years and then it won't return me anything, it would feel like I wasted my time and money for something that yields me no results, although I do get that learning one framework and branding yourself with that is bad to showcase your overall skills, but dude I invested so much of my money and time into it, I do wanna get called by this "technology developer", example I am a Senior React Developer. Still the poster meant that there are no Flutter openings in their country (Canada) as no one seems to be using it, so you should understand people better beforehand

    • @adiru9252
      @adiru9252 Год назад +2

      @@32zim32 In the realm of software engineering that is not advised since the tech is always changing. All that matters is you have fundamental programming knowledge and implement that knowledge with whatever tool. You're not supposed to code without looking docs or google in the first place, why make it harder for yourself?

  • @GustavoZIMBA
    @GustavoZIMBA Год назад +12

    I only know you for a few weeks and your channel is already one of my favorites! Great video!

  • @venir_dev
    @venir_dev Год назад +36

    It's important to underline two things out of your hot take: 1. Dart may feel similar to Typescript, but it's actually so much better, since it doesn't suffer js's tech debt. You don't *have to* compile it to javascript (although you still *can* if you want to build your own new web framework). 2. Flutter can be used to create MVPs, but it scales _very well_, given that you know what you're doing (software engineering, architecture, etc.). In the end, it should feel similar (and easier) to maintain a react web SPA application.

    • @anlumo1
      @anlumo1 9 месяцев назад

      If you look at the JavaScript output of the Dart compilers (yeah, there are two), it's nowhere near the original code. It uses JavaScript much more like an assembly language to compile to. Typescript matches most syntax 1-to-1. This is why Dart isn't limited by the JavaScript legacy.

    • @venir_dev
      @venir_dev 9 месяцев назад

      @@anlumo1 wow, I didn't know that! Thanks!

  • @lonelyteapot
    @lonelyteapot Год назад +10

    That's a very good take! Flutter isn't necessarily a good production framework to do full-time, but learning it can make you a better engineer, help see concepts on a higher level. It's also great for prototyping, creating MVPs and developing apps with limited resources.
    I enjoy working with Flutter and the Dart language far more than with other frontend frameworks. However, the core concept of Flutter - that it is not native - is a big downside for me.

    • @ferdiangunawan1237
      @ferdiangunawan1237 Год назад +2

      interestingly, we migrated our native to flutter, and it's a super app. i can say flutter can be scalable app if the developer knows how it works.

  • @byronk5
    @byronk5 Год назад +43

    Completey agree. I am primarily a web dev (mostly React). My company recently got a project to build an app for android and ios - I had never built a mobile app previously.I ended up going with Flutter and the similarities between dart/widgets and typescript/components made the transition pretty seamless. Building in Flutter has some real advantages - one codebase for both platforms, well written docs and a thriving community. Great video

    • @ifaan9373
      @ifaan9373 8 месяцев назад

      any tips brother 😁. I'm also a web developer and trying to get into flutter echo system.

    • @mdkvaofficial
      @mdkvaofficial 6 месяцев назад

      it could have been an even easier transition to react native, why didn't you choose that? I'm curious to know... @byronk5

    • @giovannibandinelli9792
      @giovannibandinelli9792 Месяц назад

      Why wouldn't you go with React Native?

  • @Mempler
    @Mempler Год назад +37

    I learned react first and learned flutter later... it is insane how easy it was to transition. However, sometimes its just easier to build stuff in react, depending on what you want.
    I like to make tiny animations and they can be really annoying to implement outside of css keyframes.

    • @typecraft_dev
      @typecraft_dev  Год назад +2

      Exactly, that was my experience as well!

  • @zevo92
    @zevo92 Год назад +6

    Hmm, I just stumbled upon your channel. The flutter keyword got me, as I was probably looking for someone to tell me that my interest in Flutter is not a bad call. That aside, I like your voice, video format and the way you present what you have to say (I am sucker for a good true story). I think you my friend are going places with this channel. Best of luck to you and keep on the good work!

    • @typecraft_dev
      @typecraft_dev  Год назад

      thanks!!

    • @LEONARDO-xs2ke
      @LEONARDO-xs2ke Год назад

      Flutter is a huge failure, no company uses it. Flutter is only popular among low iq college students. React Native is used by big multinational companies. Flutter lost long ago

  • @shidoengie9503
    @shidoengie9503 Год назад +3

    My biggest gripe with flutter is styling is so damn difficult and the class structure is just bad, it actually took me more time to use flutter then to actually use react native which was a remarkably better experience coupled with ts

    • @eng3d
      @eng3d 7 месяцев назад +1

      Styling is hard? Usually, it is a field in the constructor, and since it is code, then you can add whatever logic you want there, including variables, constants, functions, etc.

  • @junetxpid2425
    @junetxpid2425 Год назад +9

    Actually I really hate people in the IT field, everyone judges everything negative and always wrong, when I learned react they said react was bad and there was no hope for the future, when I learned vue the same thing happened, when I learned java it happened again, now they are attacking flutter and spreading bad news about flutter, whatever we learn is always wrong in their eyes, i am starting to hate the people and companies working behind the scenes. so what should i learn? you people always judge everything from a negative point of view. and it pisses me off.

    • @ooogabooga5111
      @ooogabooga5111 Год назад

      bruh shut up, the startup company i was working for closed because we chose flutter.

    • @o_glethorpe
      @o_glethorpe Год назад

      IT people are always bias in some way or another, you should listen to then, but try out and find the answer yourself.

    • @David-iq1kd
      @David-iq1kd 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@ooogabooga5111 can you explain the circumstances?

    • @ooogabooga5111
      @ooogabooga5111 9 месяцев назад

      @@David-iq1kd senior developer choose flutter web for the startup company, worst decision

    • @abrahamdaniel1802
      @abrahamdaniel1802 3 месяца назад

      @@ooogabooga5111 Flutter is mainly built for mobile development, and yeah there will probably be a lot more things they have to iron out before it becomes good for web development, so the problem lies in taking a high risk on a new thing when there are a very established alternatives other than flutter. Flutter is very good for mobile development its easy to build UI's with, has good state management and can be powerful as well, as you can use kotlin (which i used to implement new native features on my app) and swift to implement native platform specific features and this are the things i mainly wanted for my project. But just because Flutter is good doesn't mean it will be successful. Sometimes you have to offer a product with enough upsides to negate the pain of transitioning.

  • @owenwexler7214
    @owenwexler7214 Год назад +7

    The time this dude is spending bellyaching about how there are no Flutter jobs, he could spend that time with a React course and some smaller projects and learn React. I primarily use React/TS but I evaluated Flutter for a mobile app and learned it pretty easily then. I ended up going with Ionic React for the mobile app but I learned Flutter and could go back to it if I needed to/someone paid me 6 figs to write Dart/Flutter. Can’t just be a “React developer” or a “Flutter developer”… gotta be versatile.

  • @TheTahmeed
    @TheTahmeed Год назад +10

    I am from Bangladesh. Studying in university and working as a Junior Software Engineer in a Company because of Flutter. They don’t even ask for a degree or any certificate.. Flutter is ❤

  • @amar-vt6wr
    @amar-vt6wr 7 месяцев назад +2

    One more thing about flutter compared to react native, is that it's so much easier to update to newer versions. Updating react native versions is pretty much hell because there are so many steps and you will encounter some obscure error every step of the way that will leave you scratching your head and googling helplessly. I don't know if react fixed this issue, but I had this problem myself and I barely pulled it through after failing so many times, and in the end I had no idea what I was doing or why I was doing it or how it fixes my problems. In the end my app was working on the newer version, but because of all of this, I felt really insecure about it and it felt really flimsy like it could break any moment. That's when I started hating react native and I hope never to come back to it again. Anyway, thanks for this video.

    • @eng3d
      @eng3d 7 месяцев назад

      Yes because React has a big problem: dependency hell

  • @BrettKromkamp
    @BrettKromkamp 5 месяцев назад +1

    It's my understanding that Flutter is actually very popular outside of the US and Europe (my particular bubble). I've recently started to implement a cross-platform (native) application with Flutter and the developer experience is second to none. Personally, I recommend to developers to, at least, give Flutter a chance. And keep in mind, you're not a "Flutter developer" or a "React developer"... you're a "developer". In the case of Flutter, it is sufficiently similar to other equivalent platforms that it really shouldn't be a problem to transition between them.

  • @mlntdtechbae
    @mlntdtechbae 11 месяцев назад +1

    I'm new to mobile development but I'm taking on the coding task for the startup I'm apart of. I've been leaning more & more towards Flutter, but as a newbie, I'm worried it'll be hard for me to find help when I get stuck.

  • @suspoocha
    @suspoocha Год назад +4

    man i love dart

  • @opensourcedev22
    @opensourcedev22 5 месяцев назад +1

    30 years of experience tells me that - freelancer who learned flutter and dart on the job, delivered a hack job source code. Then business hires cheapest devs to unwind and clean up the "my first flutter" project, but don't want to commit to actually do it right, because funding can't allow it. Sounds like a nightmare for the salaried, junior flutter devs.

  • @ukaszszczyt4912
    @ukaszszczyt4912 10 месяцев назад +1

    It's quite natural, that you liked dart and why did you find it similar to ts, since i believe it was created to replace js. It's a shame, that it's not broadly used and it's really cool taht flutter adapted it. Cheers from PL

  • @kickeddroid
    @kickeddroid Год назад +4

    Flutter is pretty fing cool and dart is very nice. Rust plus flutter plus dart 3.0 dreamstack?

  • @climentea
    @climentea Год назад +8

    If flutter swiches from Dart to Typescript there will be more jobs for sure. Why invent a new language for a framework? 😅

    • @williamforsyth6667
      @williamforsyth6667 Год назад +4

      Compiling to native binary is an important part of Flutter, Typescript is not designed for that. I am also sure, Google wants control over the language.

    • @DanielNistrean
      @DanielNistrean Год назад +1

      This just shows that you don't understand how Flutter works.

    • @honzabittner1856
      @honzabittner1856 11 месяцев назад

      Dart is way older than Flutter.

    • @s1nistr433
      @s1nistr433 11 месяцев назад +1

      Vendor lock-in

    • @elidolloff
      @elidolloff 11 месяцев назад

  • @milkmand.2891
    @milkmand.2891 Год назад +2

    well in my country, I see a lot of flutter job listings and very competitive salary package too.

    • @daumienebi
      @daumienebi Год назад +1

      what country if i may ask?

  • @adnankhalil9640
    @adnankhalil9640 Год назад +2

    Thats wrong flutter does not use the platform to render the native ui, flutter has there own renderer engine that it starts and then this engine renders the ui widgets that are not native but are built native like.

  • @blackpurple9163
    @blackpurple9163 Год назад +1

    I'm not an expert but I think that dev is complaining that he might've focused on flutter primarily (with other skills of course) but mainly he's been looking for flutter job, he wants to progress in that technology most of all, but he's not getting any chance to do so professionally (like working for others) maybe he doesn't want to get into freelancing right now

  • @a__random__person
    @a__random__person 9 месяцев назад +2

    Flutter is legit, I’m a platform architect and android dev but I prefer flutter over android lol

  • @gosnooky
    @gosnooky Год назад +7

    Dart is great, except for the followng:
    1. No-logic constructors like C#.
    2. Class method/prop private access via leading underscore. I don't like when languages impose naming conventions that dictate behaviour (like capitalizing to export in Go)
    3. No easy JSON to class instance (reflection) conversion. Dart has the "mirrors" package, but it's disabled for Flutter, so why build it? It's done for tree-shaking, but surely there should be a way to specify or omit classes from being tree-shaken.
    4. Triple-slash for doc blocks instead of slash star star like JS/TS/Java. It just looks aggressive and ugly.
    That being said, I had to create an MVP prototype, and thought the DX was excellent, aside from the syntactic shortcomings. Unfortunately, even though the MVP was a success, they still wanted to go RN because of reasons. Thankfully, that job was offloaded to another team, because I dislike RN.

    • @throwawaynyaa2616
      @throwawaynyaa2616 Год назад +1

      Not sure what do you mean by the first one.
      2 and 4 are personal preferences.
      Regarding the third one - there is `json_serializable` which allows (de)serializing JSON. `dart:mirrors` is deprecated and shouldn't be used.
      For me, the biggest issue with Flutter is code generation which can take a lot of time in bigger projects

  • @mus3equal
    @mus3equal Год назад +1

    Good to know thanks for the insight!

  • @philosophia5577
    @philosophia5577 Год назад +18

    Flutter is hats off, the most amazing piece of software I have ever encountered. Been coding in Flutter from last 3 years in my 5 years of journey.

    • @LEONARDO-xs2ke
      @LEONARDO-xs2ke Год назад

      Flutter is a huge failure, no company uses it. Flutter is only popular among low iq college students. React Native is used by big multinational companies. Flutter lost long ago

    • @wildanalifr9583
      @wildanalifr9583 Год назад

      so, what do you think about flutter future?

    • @philosophia5577
      @philosophia5577 Год назад +1

      @@wildanalifr9583 it's very promising. I think in upcoming time it will overtake native development. Big companies would invest in developers to write native bindings and most of the industrial usecases will be written in Flutter and Full stack dart.

    • @LEONARDO-xs2ke
      @LEONARDO-xs2ke Год назад

      @@wildanalifr9583 one day abandoned by google

  • @VincentNeemie
    @VincentNeemie Год назад +1

    Full stack dev here, made an app in two weeks using dart and flutter for android and possibly will release it for iOS too in the future, contract was good and made me money. I don't understand why people tend to put tools down that can make you money? lol
    To the guy that made the original reddit post, crying you can't get a job because of x, means you got to work smarter.
    If you work in IT and you expect a job to land on your lap, depending where you live this might be unrealistic. Go after it, talk to locals, do freelance...We are supposed to be problem solvers.

    • @amritashtripathi4111
      @amritashtripathi4111 10 месяцев назад +1

      very well said , dart is better or not is not the question but it is a great tool and we can't just simply judge without even finishing an application from the scratch.

  • @shahidwani6445
    @shahidwani6445 7 месяцев назад +2

    I m a C# developer i found dart is i think 90% same in syntax, i picked it very quickly and developed many apps

    • @eng3d
      @eng3d 7 месяцев назад

      I have been a C# developer since the first beta version of the 2002. Dart is not only similar, but it is simple and the null management is better. For example, there are many ways in C# to do and fill properties, Dart simplified it: just fields and constructor. So for everybody to know C#, it could learn dart in a weekend.

    • @joll98
      @joll98 6 месяцев назад

      i use c# too, but do you have to learn javascript to understand dart better or can i jump directly to it ?

  • @spinoff2011
    @spinoff2011 Год назад +5

    Love Flutter ❤❤

  • @mohitkumar-jv2bx
    @mohitkumar-jv2bx Год назад +2

    So that means flutter render native widgets? I thought theo in his recent videos told exactly different. 😕

    • @typecraft_dev
      @typecraft_dev  Год назад +2

      It renders its own widgets but uses the native rendering engine of the OS to render

    • @ThomazMartinez
      @ThomazMartinez Год назад +1

      Theo is a morronn

    • @TechBuddy_
      @TechBuddy_ Год назад +3

      ​@@typecraft_devno it doesn't flutter just asks the device to give a blank canvas and it paints ( renders ) all the UI by itself no os services used. Which allows flutter to make beautiful animations and visual effects with ease

    • @himurakenshin9875
      @himurakenshin9875 Год назад +2

      ​​@@typecraft_devI don't think its native. Every flutter app ships skia renderer inside the android or ios app. In android sometimes due to skia version differences there is a very small difference in rendering. iOS is a different story. Skia is not native to ios at all. Thats why flutter apps dont follow Apple design principles. Flutter apps mostly are built with material widgets.

    • @adedokunemmanuel2752
      @adedokunemmanuel2752 Год назад +1

      @@himurakenshin9875 no things have changed, Flutter now use Impeller. Impeller uses apple Metal renderer for ios and Vulkan for android. This way it has totally solve the shaders compilation Janks.

  • @RADIOSCATRACHASUTAN
    @RADIOSCATRACHASUTAN Год назад +4

    I did my first app with Flutter, but hated the nesting hell.
    Never done React native, and decided to learn it, it is so much cleaner to work with, I am affraid I am not going back to Flutter if I can.

  • @saeeduchiha5537
    @saeeduchiha5537 Год назад +1

    Now it's X... no more birds twitting

  • @a22601807
    @a22601807 Год назад

    Thanks for the great example and explaining.

  • @jewelsbypodcasterganesh
    @jewelsbypodcasterganesh 7 месяцев назад

    Great video, thanks for making

  • @CODEDSTUDIO
    @CODEDSTUDIO Год назад +1

    Others too are looking for flutter dev, they are not getting

  • @fazlerabbilife
    @fazlerabbilife Год назад +2

    may be you don't know about react native expo

  • @faysoufox
    @faysoufox Год назад +1

    I liked this video and subscribed😊

  • @Steve-3P0
    @Steve-3P0 8 месяцев назад

    Google's Flutter development team treat Dart like it's Python, with their dogmatic view on indentation and curly brace styling.
    Dart is a variant of C and dart_fmt is fucking evil.

  • @SizzlingSquiggle
    @SizzlingSquiggle Месяц назад

    As a solo developer, flutter offers so many tools and pre-made items to let me freely develop.
    No, I won’t find work with it. Don’t learn it to find work. Learn it to make your passion project.

  • @koolam5158
    @koolam5158 9 месяцев назад

    Sir, absolutely agree.

  • @pcnerd5994
    @pcnerd5994 Год назад +1

    Flutter is good or not it's depending on where you live. In Cambodia if you are Junior mobile application developer and you use framework beside flutter, good luck finding one.

    • @wildanalifr9583
      @wildanalifr9583 Год назад

      I'm Indonesian, so in Cambodia, is flutter the main topic for junior mobile dev?

    • @pcnerd5994
      @pcnerd5994 Год назад

      @@wildanalifr9583 flutter is still new so their are no senior developer.

  • @gaepopodong
    @gaepopodong Год назад +1

    I like flutter a lot. But web with flutter is not good. slow responsive, lag and emoji issue 😢

  • @juststudying1019
    @juststudying1019 4 месяца назад +1

    I hate react, and suffered from it, the worst library in history for me. Futter is amazing

  • @sarakamnani6328
    @sarakamnani6328 Год назад

    this is what has been bugging me for the past one month. i got a flutter internship and I'm wondering if i should fully go ahead with it and turn it into my career or look for another job. I'm from india so there flutter jobs here but also have take long term growth and salary into consideration.

    • @imheretosleep
      @imheretosleep Год назад +1

      If you enjoy learning brother, why not take the opportunity and open yourself to other fields as well. Basically, do flutter work here and there at the same time learn other frameworks from other platforms as well.

  • @silver10188
    @silver10188 2 месяца назад

    Clicked back when heard web dev consultant. Of course web devs will like things like Flutter and React native, why would they learn native development?

  • @isaac80745
    @isaac80745 11 месяцев назад +1

    Nah flutter definitely way ahead react native. React native/react takes different directions every year or so with new frameworks

  • @acrosstundras
    @acrosstundras 3 месяца назад

    I like Dart but I don't like Flutter. It's a shame they're so coupled.

  • @jishnuviswanath
    @jishnuviswanath Год назад +1

    Flutter does not render native widgets...

  • @conceptcoder
    @conceptcoder Год назад

    Thanks

  • @twanasoftwareengineer1754
    @twanasoftwareengineer1754 Год назад

    I’m kinda scared that AI replaces flutter, what’s your idea mr.typecraft??

  • @dontdoit6986
    @dontdoit6986 Год назад

    As an aws cloud engineer, my preferred stack for MVP’s is Flutter/Python/DynamoDB.
    End of story.

  • @TheBadFred
    @TheBadFred Год назад

    Or to Kotlin and Jetpack Compose / Swift and SwiftUI

  • @Lzadhito
    @Lzadhito 11 месяцев назад

    Flutter might be good solution for newcomer and fresh start projects, but for me the argument of the OP still stands especially for full time seeker since the job market not so Flutter friendly these days. Don't get me wrong I always love flutter than React Native on most cases except this one

  • @nordeenhasan6030
    @nordeenhasan6030 Год назад +3

    are you really compare flutter to react native.
    flutter much better in development phace and experience and in performance too. no doubt

  • @HamzaCharif-v1g
    @HamzaCharif-v1g Год назад +1

    I love Flutter 🤍

  • @zhangkevin8147
    @zhangkevin8147 Год назад

    I like Dart

  • @marh122
    @marh122 6 месяцев назад

    it was cool until I wanted to use firebase and google auth, fk that I am moving to angular and ionic

  • @rp2804
    @rp2804 Год назад

    i am next js and flutter and everything you could imagine dev and even I can't get a job, that guy is doomed!

  • @ThomazMartinez
    @ThomazMartinez Год назад +6

    I'm React for 8 dev, and i think Flutter is great, i'm ok learning both RN and Flutter dont care they both have benefits

    • @disgruntleddev
      @disgruntleddev Год назад

      Most sound assessment on the internet right now

  • @gavr_sas
    @gavr_sas Год назад

    Dart is sooo much not typescript, C# is simular to Dart, but not typescript.

  • @ObinnaWGMI
    @ObinnaWGMI Год назад

    Flutter is good and performant. The issue that dev has is actually before learning a framework, it’s good to check the jobs available in your area. There’s flutter jobs, probably not around him. And you need to be near senior to get higher paying jobs from other countries.
    Plus doesn’t help that flutter was mostly used by startups, and startup funding has dried up a bit.
    Regardless if he knows flutter well. He’s good enough to learn another framework to get a job

  • @nate6692
    @nate6692 7 месяцев назад

    I'd agree with the idea that good developers can switch languages. But IME recruiters are becoming increasingly hyperfocused on keywords. Forget about AI, grep should have them concerned.

  • @letsclode
    @letsclode Год назад

    its not about the tools

  • @downormal6576
    @downormal6576 Год назад

    nice

  • @WiseWeeabo
    @WiseWeeabo Год назад +1

    How to consult web dev: Tell them not to web dev.

  • @asobu000
    @asobu000 Год назад

    0:20 there is no twitter no more))xd

  • @marianoarganaraz
    @marianoarganaraz 6 месяцев назад

    Null safety killed the framework

    • @yuli3873
      @yuli3873 6 месяцев назад

      Why? Could you explain it to a programmer noob?

    • @marianoarganaraz
      @marianoarganaraz 6 месяцев назад

      @@yuli3873 because of the hustle of modifying all your code with a bunch of "?" And "!"... In paper the null safety implementation was not developer advocated, a waste of time and simplicity

  • @quanle760
    @quanle760 10 месяцев назад

    So if you learn Flutter, you will know React. Cool. Because people who learn React wouldn't know React, so Flutter would help here 😂

  • @ryaaann
    @ryaaann 11 месяцев назад

    there are two thing holding me back from using flutter:
    - there is no clean way of parsing json objects (what app doesnt consume some sort of api), there is only stupid code generation bs which completely messes up your beautiful code structure.
    - handling state and viewmodels is a pain in the ass in flutter. idk why google doesnt make it as clean as in native android (mvvm...)

  • @javi___
    @javi___ Год назад

    Making an app with swift ui is incredibly easy, makes no sense to use any of this wrapper platforms, you will inevitably having to write switft code to do anything that is not a very simple app

    • @johan2371
      @johan2371 Год назад

      Many apps out there are very simple apps.
      Many developers out there don't want to use Xcode.

    • @PanosPitsi
      @PanosPitsi Год назад

      @@johan2371you don’t have to use xcode

  • @himurakenshin9875
    @himurakenshin9875 Год назад +3

    You are missing one thing. If a person is doing flutter then there is a high chance that the person knows web dev and react. You can survey this. Rarely Kotlin or swift ui dev will use cross platform framework. Most who use flutter are web devs and most of them know react and vue. Flutter is really a waste of time. Dart ecosystem isnt great. It better to use react native or even Kotlin multiplatform. Dart as a language is mostly dead.

    • @adedokunemmanuel2752
      @adedokunemmanuel2752 Год назад +2

      Dart is the lang that powers google ads , which google make most of their money from and many more companies . I don't think it gonna die

    • @kyuss789
      @kyuss789 Год назад +6

      “I don’t use this language, it must be dead”

    • @himurakenshin9875
      @himurakenshin9875 Год назад

      @@adedokunemmanuel2752 I don't think you have read how Google uses dart internally. In dart blog they have told Google ads use dart. But how? They don't use flutter web internally. So do u know what they use? Guess? Angular Dart. Now, do you know that Google doesn't officially support Angular Dart. You can read about it. They internally use Angular dart but recommend the community to use flutter web. And you may know how bad the performance of flutter web is. Dart was a thing 8 years ago but you hear dart because of Google. There are much better languages now that can compile to JS.

    • @himurakenshin9875
      @himurakenshin9875 Год назад

      @@kyuss789 Trust me friend. I am not personally against dart. But just asking how will u use dart in 2023? There are much better tools for the job. Dart was language of 2014-2015. Everything you can do with dart now can be done with other languages that are not tied to one framework.

    • @kyuss789
      @kyuss789 Год назад +1

      @@himurakenshin9875 Anything can be done in any language. And yes I used Dart this week for a CLI program.

  • @yusufelmirzayev189
    @yusufelmirzayev189 Год назад +1

    1 :)

  • @StupidVetala
    @StupidVetala Год назад

    The problem with Flutter is simple, the way we write Flutter is just difficult, just imagine JSX its so so much maintainable so working on large react codebase no pain at all but working in a large Flutter codebase.... problamatic max pro

    • @imheretosleep
      @imheretosleep Год назад

      It depends on you brother, that opinion would only take place if you structure your programs in a way that you can’t maintain it easily once it gets bigger.

    • @pakoottox262
      @pakoottox262 Год назад

      Angular left the room....

  • @rodrigosiqueira9657
    @rodrigosiqueira9657 Год назад +3

    Fluter, in my opinion, is a waste of time, dart is a type of lang that don't expand your areas, backend in dart??? I saw this one time in my life, there's a lot of things to do with javascript/typescript, integration with AWS Cloud is very good, but dart?????? Dart for me is trash, is good only for Flutter!

    • @williamforsyth6667
      @williamforsyth6667 Год назад +1

      A dev should not learn languages, but concepts. Also "real" programmers consider javascript/typescript toys.
      Flutter is a great tool to create multi-platform, native running apps. Who cares the language?

  • @ahmadmokhtar8175
    @ahmadmokhtar8175 Год назад

    bad framwork

  • @ConernicusRex
    @ConernicusRex 5 месяцев назад

    "Flutter isn't bad"
    *Lists all the skill issues that make shitty devs choose Flutter*
    We see you.

  • @khanra17
    @khanra17 Год назад

    Really?
    React & Typescript 😂😂😂😂

  • @_____case
    @_____case Год назад +20

    The new Toyota infotainment system is built with Flutter and Rust.

  • @sqrlware
    @sqrlware Год назад +44

    Why don’t people understand that flutter makes native apps and that is all the end user wants. They don’t care about the framework or how it works instead they care about the speed, function and what ever they see. Flutter made me rethink how apps could be made. So instead of complaining about the extra layer flutter makes on top of the native apps, you should be exploring its possibilities. React native is fine but after I used flutter for the first time, I got a different feel from what I was used to and fell instantly in love.

    • @seriouscapitalist
      @seriouscapitalist 3 месяца назад

      because people care about hiring, its easier to hire someone in react native ecosystem compared to flutter

  • @agoodmansaid
    @agoodmansaid 3 месяца назад +2

    I too started with flutter and now learning react. React is okay and all but going from Dart to Javascript is really a kick in the balls

  • @andythedishwasher1117
    @andythedishwasher1117 9 месяцев назад +5

    Ok thank you for saying nice things about Flutter, but comparing it to Typescript was not one of those nice things. We do REAL static typing over here, thank you. We don't just pretend with a linter.

    • @eng3d
      @eng3d 7 месяцев назад

      I left typescript for that reason, while the language looks cool but finally, it is a language on top of another language, and it sooner or later will bring trouble from both languages. Example: *this*

    • @andythedishwasher1117
      @andythedishwasher1117 7 месяцев назад

      @@eng3d Was there meant to be a link in your example? I just saw the word "this" in bold. That is unfortunately sort of the case with Flutter as well since all your logic happens and gets compiled with actual Dart rules, but it then gets cross-compiled into a number of different languages for different platforms, so it's hard to do much with the outputs independent of the Dart handles. However, if you set up your CI/CD loops with that restriction in mind, it can be a pretty smooth and reliable DX.

  • @justjoemer
    @justjoemer 10 месяцев назад +7

    Been using flutter for the past 9 months, been loving the framework so far!! It's good to know that it's helpful for learning typescript!

  • @minseokjeong1881
    @minseokjeong1881 Год назад +4

    Best suit for Startup UI framework I think. Recently I got hired as Flutter Developer in S.Korea :D. Good luck for all Flutter Developer :D

  • @seriouslyiknowhowtoread
    @seriouslyiknowhowtoread 8 месяцев назад +2

    This dev sucks who is complaning, he cant sell himself. Flutter devs need to go in iOS apps and basically sell flutter will save $

    • @eng3d
      @eng3d 7 месяцев назад

      I agree: "one tricky pony" developers won't work anymore.

  • @sawcb.
    @sawcb. Год назад +6

    For my project I plan to take to scale to a company level where we will train people fresh out of school flutter front end to back to use it in our app. Of course we will look for experienced flutter developers for higher roles, but entry level roles we will believe in a not so difficult entry point. I'm very excited to announce a full stack flutter workspace for flutter developers. I know this is a random comment and not an official PSA, but it was on my mind when I watched this video. Thank you!!

    • @abrahamdaniel1802
      @abrahamdaniel1802 3 месяца назад +1

      Have you started your flutter workspace or scaled your company? I have a lot of experiance with flutter especially android side since i used it to work on a complex project and just wanted to ask you maybe i can apply if your still looking.

  • @jay_wright_thats_right
    @jay_wright_thats_right 9 месяцев назад +2

    Too bad React docs SUCK!

  • @ZAcharyIndy
    @ZAcharyIndy 11 месяцев назад +1

    No to flutter and Dart

  • @Halesnaxlors
    @Halesnaxlors 9 месяцев назад +2

    A friend of mine is one of the main contributors for Flame, which is a flutter game engine. I've fiddled with it a little bit, and it seems really neat.

  • @PaKa-kj3rj
    @PaKa-kj3rj Год назад +2

    Woah, you're like the next Fireship dude.

  • @kasvith
    @kasvith Год назад +2

    Well there are lot of flutter jobs

  • @nested9301
    @nested9301 День назад

    Useless video with all due respect but why you have to create a video just because someone create a useless post on reddit

  • @plokko1
    @plokko1 8 месяцев назад +1

    Long story short coding with Flutter instead of native code (ex.Android) is WONDERFULL for the simplicity of writing UI with Widgets, especially when you learn the patterns; the main cons is that you have to rely on community based plugins for almost everything, in the beginning it was a big problem as, for example, if you needed BLE and the plugin was still buggy you needed to write it yourself (you can do it with native code) or wait for a fix but now it's much better

  • @AtomicPixels
    @AtomicPixels 6 месяцев назад +1

    I love flutter so much. I'm a react dev and after learning flutter I'm so jealous of any flutter dev

  • @impromp02
    @impromp02 Год назад +1

    What if you're already a react developer and want to learn flutter? Is it worth it now, in comparison to, let's say React Native?

  • @basdfgwe
    @basdfgwe 6 месяцев назад +1

    Meanwhile the company I work for are going all in on flutter including the web.

  • @TechStache
    @TechStache 11 месяцев назад +1

    It's totally true, now tell that to recruiters