In porpoising While the front is touching the ground due to downforce, but if there is a air flow at the rear of the car just close to diffuser so will it push the rear of the car down and front up due to downforce because the underbody of F1 car is tilted down at the front and lifted up from rear
It is worth noting that the RB18s floor has been photographed a few times this season and it appears to have the same 2 piece plank Ferrari is using. However the W13 appears to have a normal 1 piece plank. Politics are the name of the game in F1, and that should be remembered when you have a team boss vehemently opposing a technical directive yet denying that it will affect his team and also attempting to muddy the waters by falsely conflating the issue of porpoise and bouncing with the flexi-floors (that is what Verstappen and Horner were referencing when they deflected the flexi floor allegations at Mercedes). The fact of the matter is the evidence we have points to Red Bull and Ferrari being the only teams which have taken advantage of this soon to be closed testing loophole.
I believe that the W13 was pictured with some sort of 2 piece plank last weekend (should be able to find the picture on Reddit or Twitter). I'm not knowledgeable on this stuff but some people who are have commented on it.
@@theSafetyCar they don’t have it on the car for no reason. They fought it hard because it’s worth a few tenths per lap. That’s quite a lot when you look at it overall
What blows my mind is that the floor boards have all those holes for thickness measurements and the FIA has only been using three of them this whole time. Seriously, how much harder is it to stick your calipers in the other couple holes and just enforce the rules properly?
In porpoising While the front is touching the ground due to downforce, but if there is a air flow at the rear of the car just close to diffuser so will it push the rear of the car down and front up due to downforce because the underbody of F1 car is tilted down at the front and lifted up from rear
There wasn't much wear at the rear in the past because cars were set up with rake so they were higher in the rear. I always thought that the plank was one piece and was surprised to learn that teams had been allowed to cut it into two pieces. I didn't think any modifications to the plank were allowed other than the placing of up to three titanium skid blocks. The only regulations I could find were from 2017 and state, "Plank must measure 300mm in width, with a tolerance of 2mm. It must run from the frontmost point of the reference plane at 330mm behind the front wheels centerline to the rear wheels centerline. To me, this certainly seems to mean one piece.
@@tiredoldmechanic1791 "The plank may comprise no more than three pieces, the forward one of which may not be any less than 900mm in length." - 2022 tech regs
I'm going to make my mark on F1 by: Driver - being the fastest, most canny driver in history! Engineer - by designing the most clever cars and dominating the sport. Team - by organizing the greatest group of people ever. Team principle - by screwing the competition as often as possible!! FIA - by strangling innovation to the nth degree!
@@adarsh6408 I started following F1 as a young teenager for the start of the 1974 season. Here is an example of FIA thinking. The advent of ground effect cars in 1978 (I'm viewing the Lotus 78 as the "gestation" of ground effects), brought a shift from relying upon downforce from above the car to mainly beneath the car, which eventually relegated front and rear wings to function as aerodynamic trim pieces, if you will. The FIA/F1 wanted to change two things: slow the cars down and remove the possibility of sudden loss of downforce, so they banned sliding skirts. In response, Lotus invented the Type 88 "twin chassis" car, which met the letter of the rules, recovered the underbody venturi seal while perhaps solving the structural problem of the sliding skirt. Upon numerous complaints from other teams, it was banned by the FIA/F1 before it could turn a wheel at that year's Long Beach Grand Prix. Without sealing the underbody tunnels, cars exhibited exactly the same kind of porpoising we see this season. However, instead of finding innovative solutions to the problem, the FIA/F1 took one giant step backwards (Mother May I?) and banned ground effects altogether. The same thing happened with active suspension, traction control and a host of other advancements. Now, quite a few of these taboo technologies would be very useful in making F1's new cars drivable as well as raceable. Exercise control. Keep the peace. Innovation be damned. This seems to be the FIA's creed.
I'd disagree with you and argue that the FIA banning these advancements drives innovation. Things like removing traction control and active suspension has pushed the engineers to come up with new innovations to claw back that performance and leads to even more innovation and advancements. It has been happening throughout the history of f1 and will carry on happening even more
@@r4nd7r04d5 the rules say no flexing - it was even discussed among the teams when they wrote and agreed to the rules last year. red bull and ferrari took advantage of how the fia tests compliance of the rule and found a way to break it without being caught. this is exactly like ferrari a couple years ago when the found a way to burn illegal amounts of fuel by bypassing the fuel flow sensors
This is good, they need to enforce the rules just like with the track violations. These laws were specially put in after a series of fatal accidents, there can be no excuse to skirt around them or different interpretations. Nice video. Keep up the good work.
Thing is they're not enforcing the rules, they're changing them mid season because 1 team did most of the crying and complaining. Worst part is that the team that bitched seemed to have solve the problem, but the rules still are going to change. It's unfair, but it adds drama to the next half of the season. It's going to be interesting.
So, 2021 Mercedes: "Red Bull's wing flexes." FiA: "Let's change the rules for you." 2022 Mercedes: "Ferrari and Red Bull floors flex." FiA: "Let's change the rules again for you mid season..."
Ever the hypocrite I see. Didn't RB and Ferrari complain to maFIA that Mercedes' DAS system was illegal although it was in the spirit of the rules? Didn't the maFIA acquiesce to their request and bring the ban hammer down by issuing a new technical direct concerning the legality of Mercedes' DAS system? Why don't you edit your comment now to reflect the accuracy of F1 poli-tricks instead of appearing to be heavily biased?
@@alexandershaw2378 Yet, DAS was allowed to be carried through to the end of that season and not changed MID SEASON like Mercedes gets every thing changed mid season on other teams...
This I love and hate about F1. They make rules that do not cover 100% or predefine where they will measure (why? The police is also not publishing where they will put the speed trap). Team use this to their benefit, Fia / other teams notice this, and the rules change. Teambosses cry about it and swear they did not abuse it, and point to other teams. And then the Fia gives them 3 races before they sart to measure in more areas. Why not just state, floor cannot flex more then 2 mm? Skids have to be rigid. Plank has to be rigid. Yes measure, but do not state to measure only in spot x and y. Fia can always state, your floor flexes to much, that is illegal, but we understand you need 2 weeks to fix it, so in 2 weeks we will not allow it anymore. Or say, you car does not 100% comply, fix it or take a 5 place grid penalty and fix it next race. Now it takes too long, and if a frontrunner did abuse the rules, they already had extra points because of this, and now get some more races to score before they have to change their floor, plank and skidblocks.
Be interesting to see how they test these floors... carbon can be layed up to flex certain ways.... They are going to have to replicate driving at speed to get the floor to flex
The plank is not carbon just what it's bolted to is they will use force with a testing gage plus they will put sensors around the floor to use data is the car is running under load at pace.
I really don't like these mid-season rule changes, especially with reduced budgets. What if team like Haas comes up with idea that is completely legal and gives them 0.5s advantage to the others and then FIA clamps it down? That kind of change could mean a complete redesign of multiple components and would rather slow them down more than what they gained. Imagine double diffuser from 2009 getting banned, there would be no Brawn miracle.
They should do this for next year. I thought it was a change in testing until I read that the actual REGULATION talks about just 2 points where it can flex 2mm. Imo they should then change it for next year as it is not simply changing the tests to enforce the regulation.
It's basically they same as last session with flexible rear wing's. It's not a regulations change just a TD on how it's tested and no just like the rear wing last session it needs to be put into force now.
@@chriscollins550 No it is not the same I think. Last year the rear wing flex was illegal per regulation, but they went around the test. This year it is legal according to the regulation (it says so in the regulation itself about 2mm flex at two specific points). So they need to change the rules itself here, not just the testing procedure as last year.
@@chriscollins550 Maybe but that is up for debate. We are talking about an alleged 4mm difference in flexing, which is orders of magnitude less than the rear wing of last year. The question is then which regulation applies more here. Looking at how much the sharkfin, front wing etc. moves, I'd say 2-6mm is not moveable aero in the same ballpark as the rear wing last year, and the moveable aero rule does not apply more here than for the sharkfin, front wing etc., which also flexes. Therefore, it seems to me a technical rule change to the floor, which is something that should be done for next season.
@@NardKoning shark fin isn't a airo part as it has nothing to do with downforce or anything in that nature. The rear wing just like the front wing has different parameters to how much is allowed in tolerance of flexing. But the floor isn't ment to flex but they built it in to the ground affect for downforce this making it an airo part. In both regulations it's not with in the regulations. I don't think many people know why this regulations was introduced in 94 because of deaths two driver's on lost of ground affect killing them both and another crash the could of been deadly. Just like last session with red bull on the rear wing flexing was made illegal because of it braking apart and flying bits going into other cars the floor flexing was on safety grounds again yet red bull will ignore this and still do something that killed two driver's in the name of speed. Don't sound right to me.
Classic FIA, changing the rules mid season to ensure that the teams that did a better job engineering their cars are pegged back so Mercedes can get back in the hunt. Well, this season was fun while it lasted.
using moving airo part was not in the f1 rule and fia didn't know any team using flexible air part ferrari and Redbull using illegal flexible floor they must be disqualified but fia gave them a chance to follow the rules
same thing has happened to mercedes while they were at the front many times. i.e., the cutback on the floor during the 2021 season hampered their design philosophy of a low car, in fact they were the only team on the grid to be hampered by it as all other teams had high rake cars (excluding the aston martin because it was still the pink mercedes). then DAS, outlawed the moment the season ended. aside from the fact that the fia admitted the floor cutback rule was im-lime red just to hamper mercedes, the rosy picture between merc and the fia isnt as grand as many want to believe
@@math.m9495 RB didn't admit to using it. Plus, it's not illegal. And neither team can be disqualified, they are way bigger than the FIA. They can break away and start their own competition, pissing all over the FIA.
Well of course RB are running it. Why do they need until Spa to get it sorted? Was originally meant to get sorted for France. Poor attempt by RB to use MV to say Mercedes are using it too, an attempt at "deflection" I feel. Will bunch the pack up definitely.
If it's a loophole in the rules, why can't it wait till the end of the year to change it? That's how I see the FIA decision on DAS. If it's cheating and the rules define that then enforce, it but if the rules don't state that is wrong then why change them mid-season?
DAS wasn't a loophole. FIA banned it After the Season because it was predicted that other teams would have to spend enormous amounts of money to build their own version. And this was not allowed. It complied with all rules
Funny, a team which doesn't see any influence on their own design. Now wants other teams to make changes. F1 was a sport where clever innovations were rewarded. But now it seems that the cost cap makes it more interesting to blame other teams, instead of copying and improving technologies and designs. I don't feel this is the right spirit.
I'm pretty sure this has been the norm for some time. Complain to get the thing banned while you work to copy it for yourself. It doesn't matter if you get to use it or not, their aim is to close the performance gap asap
just like the FIA banned hydraulic suspension, DAS, custom brake ducts, team issued wheels, and made a cut out in the 2021 floors to help slow down low rake cars etc. The FIA did everything they can to slow down the Mercs. This season they caught 2 teams cheating by creatively working around the test. It wouldn't surprise me if this change made Mercedes the fastest LEGAL car again.
@@gehteuchnixan69 yeah I remember, Mercedes’ comes up with an innovation, then the FIA bans it immediately but for next season. Stopping anyone from attempting to copy and solidifying the advantage.
It's not a spec series. Equal field means the teams all adhere to the same rules. I don't understand how can anyone watch this sport and not be impressed by the amount of technical innovation Mercedes team brings each season. Complain that the other teams are spending most of their time cheating instead of trying to come up with actually innovative solutions.
@@jonocoetzer It would be best to ignore an argument obviously made in bad faith, alas... There is a huge difference between innovation and cheating. Mercs have so far always made sure their design is legal. The same can hardly be said about other big teams, who try to hide their "innovations" from FiA because they're clearly breaking the rules of the sport.
That’s only if the smaller teams have adopted the flexible floor. By their relative performance to the leaders, you can assume they haven’t. So they don’t require any floor changes or extra testing, and will be brought closer to the front runners.
Poor, innocent Mercedes. There, there. The FIA is coming to your rescue. Toto hiding behind "safety" and making his drivers act and pretend to be hurt should result in banishment from the sport. Fans deserve so much better than the cowardice cancer that is mErCeDes.
Ferrari and Red Bull did everything within the rules, the rules weren’t specific enough. All teams could’ve taken advantage of this but only Ferrari and Red Bull were smart enough to do so. Now Mercedes complains because they weren’t smart enough when designing the car. Can’t change the rules mid season. FIA is a BIG Joke.
Except that has always happened if you break the spirit the rule is written in, RBR already knew this from a decade ago when they got their front wings flexing.
So then why was Mercedes' DAS system made illegal mid season? I didn't see you complaining and championing then that the rules shouldn't be changed mid season as you're now doing on behalf of RBR and Ferrari when Mercedes were in fact within the guidelines of the rules but because RBR/Max/Horner were complaining to maFIA they outlawed it. Stop being hypocrite bob.
LOL I'd hardly call this a trick or a loophole. The rules could have easily just said that they couldn't flex. But instead they are extremely specific that it can only not flex at certain spots meaning they are 100% ok with it flexing else where.
If the plank is being manipulated then that should be a full disqualification as the whole point of the plank is to keep the cars from running too low. And it should have never been allowed to be a 2 piece plank because that is sole intention on having it bend without cracking. I thought the floors were just being allowed to make room for the plank, but if the plank is bending then that is out and out cheating. And the only reason they are allowed to get away with it is it would be a black eye for the sport to take the wins away from the only 2 teams that have won.
@@ollieh98 after the controversy of the Abu Dubai farce, the FIA would look completely incompetent if they took away an entire half season of wins. Also given the backlash they’d face from Ferrari fans and toxicity from a certain “orange” fan base. As with Abu Dubai results standing after clear rules being broken, the FIA will not admit they were wrong or lose face.
I dunno, flexi floors seems like lawyers finding loopholes to get you off a crime you committed, rather than you actually being innocent. This 'change' doesnt sound like a rule change so much as clarity of original intention.
Yeah, i've seen people discussing the potential difference between the letter of the law and the spirit of the law, but this one sits between the letter of the law and the tests to police it. it's far from the first instance of this - red bull's flexing front wings a few years ago, brabham''s ride height button in the 80s, (cough ferrari's fuel thing cough) - but it's definitely a step beyond things like footwork wings & x-wings or f-ducts
This rule change is wrong because it is an actual regulation change, not a testing change to enforce it better. That is different from for example the rear wing flex tests of last year.
@@Puj0 Oh come on. The rules didn't say the floor can flex/bend to allow the car to get lower/manipulate how the board hits the ground, allowing it to get lower than the desired impact on ride height control and you're arguing the rules don't define it as a crime. Come now... the entire point of introducing the board to limit/control the ride height. To find a loophole/wording so as to circumvent said rules intention and nope, apparently no problem? Just wow.....
funny how FIA change it mid season to help Mercedes yet when Merc had the DAS steering FIA only changed the law after the season meaning Mercedes won everything and any other team developing the same never got to use it. Merc had a bigger gap in the rear wing that Max spotted so they gave Max a fine and asked Merc to hide it better.
1. Other teams outperforms Merc. 2. Merc complains about excessive porpoising/bouncing 3. FIA helps Merc finds out where other teams strength is. 4. Other teams got their strengths banned. 5. Merc bouncing issue never arises ever again 6. Profit!!!
I love how everyone thinks the FIA help Mercedes out, when the 2021 floor change was designed specifically to HURT Mercedes, as they dropped down to level with RB and AM fell to the back (similar car design), then the FIA literally changed the rules last minute in the final race of the season to gift RB the championship. Trust me, the FIA do not like helping Mercedes lol
Meanwhile at RedBull (past protest) slowing mercedes- 1. ban f-duct (2009) 2. ban engine party mode (2018) 3. ban engine oil burn (2017) 4. ban/slowing low-rake car (2021) 5. ban multiple fuel formulation (2019) 6. ban DAS (Dual Axis Steering) [2020] 7. ban 3rd Damper System (2021) Toxic RedBull!!
@@k__k___ oh god here we go again. 1. DAS was banned at the END of the season 2. Mercedes at that point has been dominating WCC for 7 CONSECUTIVE SEASONS.
they aren't changing the rules, they are enforcing the existing rules and adjusting testing and inspection methods to ensure that teams aren't cheating.
mercedes has literally nothing to do with this, they did not even know rb and ferrari were running flexi planks. there were no rule changes. flexi planks were always a big nono for the FIA, and this time around is no different. FIA brought up the issue themselves.
Best Part of F1 is it being Lauded by everyone all over the world for its 'engineering pinnacle' only to see these great engineering feats banned and shut down by the FIA. shame.
No because there's a reason thus regulations was originally put in place in 94 because of the death of two driver's and a 3rd bad crash on dame week end all because of ground affect cars.
In porpoising While the front is touching the ground due to downforce, but if there is a air flow at the rear of the car just close to diffuser so will it push the rear of the car down and front up due to downforce because the underbody of F1 car is tilted down at the front and lifted up from rear
I'm new to F1 but i think I'm going to pass it seems every aspect of the sport that are supposed to make it amazing are just policed into the ground. Doesn't seem worth my time anymore
If the rules don't say anything about flexing floors in the way its been implemented is it cheating or finding a solution? And if it reduces the bouncing thus improving "safety" surely it should be promoted and not slammed...
"1 second pitstops" was a consequence, and it was banned mid season because it was a safety rule, safety rules (along with flexi planks) are allowed to be put in place mid-season, for obvious reasons. DAS was not banned mid season because it was completely legal. please understand the difference
Ummm... Photos from Austria and Silverstone show that Mercedes have also used this split bending skid block. Sooooooo??? Interesting how no one in the British media seems to be talking about them doing the same thing they are badgering other teams about. Mercedes have obviously gotten ahead of he bad press. It's a team I have lost all respect for this year.
It was the fia that found all of this nothing to do with Mercedes and then they checked every car and all the other's we're in regulation but two. Didn't blame Mercedes for red bull cheating flexing again.
@@MarkioNo1 no they didn't all car's had been looked at by then and checked. Fia only found two team's to be doing this. Roman car was in two part's after he's crashed that mean he's car had an illegal part. It was also one picture of the Mercedes car and could of been adapted to help fan's like you believe in force information.
@@chriscollins550 look again mate. Also thr change isn't in effect till Belgium. It's a strengthening of the enforcement test. I wish I could post images to show you yesterday Mercedes has the split plank design too.
no, max was clueless, he was talking about the outer edges of the mercedes floor which was allowed to flex, while fia horner and toto were talking about the plank. max did not have to make that comment at all
To be fair, the flexible floors and the porpoising problems they cause have become such a safety issue it makes no sense NOT to limit floor flexibility now if one does not want to permanently injure or kill drivers.
You know why this was made illegal in the first place. Because it did kill two people on same weekend and another driver had another big crash that same weekend in 94. This is why the regulation was put in place.
Meanwhile at RedBull (past protest) slowing mercedes- 1. ban f-duct (2009) 2. ban engine party mode (2018) 3. ban engine oil burn (2017) 4. ban/slowing low-rake car (2021) 5. ban multiple fuel formulation (2019) 6. ban DAS (Dual Axis Steering) [2020] 7. ban 3rd Damper System (2021)
If you believe that mercedes don't have a flexi floor, then you'll believe anything. In recent years they've been the team that played around with flexible components more than most; their flexi rear wing last year and the flexi front wing this year.
WTF are you on about? or did you accidentally spell redbull wrong? RBR are the cheatiest team I've ever seen in decades of watching F1 and have used "grey areas"(cheated) every. single. year.
mate what flexi wing last year? it was redbull that had the flexible rear wing last year. and this year, every single team has a flexing front wing. its impossible to make something completely rigid. And if you don't believe mercedes doesnt have a flexible floor (which can be proven by looking at the underside photos of the car), who do you believe?
@@oxfordsparky did you really call masterpieces by Adrian Newey “cheating”. Mind you innovation in F1 is not “cheating” and has been around since the beginning of the sport.
Do you actually watch F1 or do you just repeat nonsense talking points? It's red bull that has repeatedly being caught with aero parts that flex excessively.
Cheating is cheating, if The Scuderia and Red Bulls*** made the planks moveable to sneak through inspection, that’s on purpose and they deserve what they get. If Toto knew this and sandbagged the front half of the season to gain wind tunnel points he’s a genius.
It gives aerodynamic benefit since the floor will be behave differently in slow speed corner and high speed corner. Thus, it will give some performance gain.
@@mtrps_ flexible parts blur the line between static and movable aero devices. So while some degree of flexibility can not be avoided because of durability and the nature of the materials used, it generally goes against the spirit of the regulations which ban movable aero devices
Lol... That right change the rules so that Mercedes can catch up... Well done... The one thing known to solve the bouncing issues you going to be banned... Stupid stupid stupid...
If they stop the bouncing... then surely all teams should be allowed to use this feature! Mercedes and FIA very dodgy deals going on? When the last rule change came in... Mercedes had parts ready the next day and fitted - impossible to design/manufacture and implement in that time frame - very suspicious!
You realise the “parts” you are talking about consisted of 2 metal rods to act as stays. It isn’t that hard for a multimillion pound company like Mercedes to machine 2 metal stays overnight.
Lol that plat was similar across the team. They probably come from single manufacture. I believe tha changes is not substantial. It will not change much.
@@Randomvideos-zi7pe I'm not the one crying. Do you think Mercedes will win this year? Maybe they will, it would make an exciting championship. Why a race fan would want one team or driver to completely be dominant is beyond me. LH is a brilliant driver, but so are others. Some fans of his even thought that if he drove for one of the lower teams he'd still of won as many races. His and Mercedes dominance made the sport dull.
99% of the are ex Ferrari team in the fia not Mercedes. Apart from one lady who is nothing but a lawyer who original come from the fia to Mercedes and went back to the fia. There's no one else in the fia from Mercedes
since it is known that Ferrari and Red Bull have a flex floor, what will be the punishment for them or there will be nothing and to continue with the standard floor, which would be the greatest stupidity
1) It is jlnit confirmed they have this. 2) There are cars are fully legal so there will be no penalties. Unlike many in this comment section are saying, its not a case of illegal cars avoiding regulations, its fully legal cars.
@@onlytrue5169 because they are changing the regulations so its no longer legal... point is there is a difference between an illegal car right now, which avoids testing, and a legal car, which can be made illegal when the rules are changed.
Mercedes would rather shoot themselves and everybody else in the foot than adopt an idea that would solve their porpoising problem and help them create a car possibly on par with the top runners.
why would teams want to adopt an idea that was intentionally put in place for safety... 2 drivers were killed one weekend in 94, which is why this rule was put in place. teams understood for years that the plank was not allowed to flex for safety purposes, and this year 2 of the top teams are abusing the rule to gain some advantage. dont you think its only right that fia reinforces the rule?
Loopholes are part of F1, this looks like one team tricked the regulators to change rules in middle of season. Snif Snif, this looks like TOTO is a p. of s.
@@erlanggaprasetyo3541 and redbull protested ferraris engine halfway through the season and got it banned, but you carry on letting Merc live rent free in your head...
if all loopholes were allowed to continue, mercedes would be the top team even with their current aero setup, no question about it. merc had so many of their LEGAL innovations banned over the years
Max fakestapen is a hypocrite for comment about Mercedes to raise their car to lose more speed, so he can win the championship easily. While he know redbull are cheating with fixing of plank under the car floor 🤣
Toto is full of BS! His car has a flexi floor as well. Take a look at the Floor coming off of LULU's after the crash! it is split same as Ferrari and RB. So, wind the dial back, wasn't Froto so concerned with LULU's ass a few weeks ago? This was all a ploy to try and catch the front two teams. Merc knows the car is crap and wants to change everything to support the narrative. I can't wait to see Froto toss his head set with force and scream...."no LULU we changed the rules for you!!! why are u still slow?" LULU's response "Froto, we have a S..., Box" "Come on man!"
@@chriscollins550 Really, did you even look at the floor pictures at Austria? No, you did not. Did you see the Alfa's floor no you did not. So, dial back your rubbish Fan Boy!
@@markmata389 picture's are not fact. You keep believing what you like it has no bering on anything in the real life and racing. Your just upset that it's red bull and you just want to see them win. Horner knows to well how to cheat ask he's wife and new baby when he cheated on her with ugly spice.
@@chriscollins550 They were when they came off the car. So, you know you are incorrect in your assessment, the floor is clearly split in the middle. Toto and team are sad they didn't think of it first and complained to the FIA And you guessed wrong, Lifelong Ferrari fan, could care less who drives them. Merc makes a nice taxi, I don't like Red Bull drinks, Ferrari makes a beautiful machine.
@@markmata389 split in half after an accident means nothing. That's why the fia didn't look into it. Clutching at straw's. Toto had nothing to do with it until the fia told all the team's. He can't see under the car's and put load tests on their car's. It was the fia nothing to do with toto or Mercedes. Ferrari last good car was the f40 they haven't made a good car since.
Wrong! People are encouraging it because there's nothing really wrong with the floors. They're perfectly legal, but mercedes isn't dominating so they cried to FIA to change the rules for them once again.
@@built2jzlexus496 They are completely legal right now but won't be from Spa onwards. That's why FIA is making this clarification. Right now those floors are 100% within the rules. Merc just didn't think of it and is now crying and moaning.
The difference is, what Mercedes did with DAS was completely legal. This is illegal within the regulations, and they’re now clarifying the rules to ensure it isn’t happening any more. Completely different, but you keep believing your narrative
Flexi floors are exploiting the rules, DAS was not, there was nothing in the rules to prevent DAS. Ferrari had their engine banned halfway through the season a couple of years ago (because of RedBulls protest) and done that 'special' deal with the FIA to prevent them being kicked out the constructors championship for that year. I'd suggest that you stop letting Merc live rent free in your head, you will be happier for it and less upset when Merc become fastest after Spa.
1. Mercedes had checked with the FIA whether they were allowed to implement DAS and they were for that season. The only reason it got outlawed for the following season was because either all the other teams had to adopt it or Mercedes (the current front runners) had to drop it. Either way it would give the same result, and banning it would reduce the complexity of the cars and save money. 2. Where is your evidence of Mercedes lobbying against Red Bull’s flexi floor. 3. It has not gotten banned instantly; the technical directive was proposed in Montreal I think, but they have until Belgium to change it. 4. Horner says their floor is legal, so they, and you have nothing to worry about. Ferrari meanwhile have admitted they will need to change their floor concept, so if anything, Red Bull fans should be welcoming this technical directive.
Mercedes cant get it right so FIA will change the rules to suit Mercedes and get them back to winning by 20 seconds again. If Mercedes lower their top end speed they lower porpoising but no they want to keep having the speed advantage they always have. If FIA say its for safety then better drop the top speed of cars down to a max of100 km/h as G force is also unhealthy. Wolf was not surprised as he and Merc have FIA in their pocket.
Come on, are you really calling the plank a skid block just a minute into this video? Yeah, you apparently have no idea what you're talking about and this entire video is 4:40 of nonsense. Great.
In porpoising While the front is touching the ground due to downforce, but if there is a air flow at the rear of the car just close to diffuser so will it push the rear of the car down and front up due to downforce because the underbody of F1 car is tilted down at the front and lifted up from rear
Ferrari needs the Flexi floors as they're the slowest car on the Grid with horrible drivers Alex albon in Williams is faster than Charles in the Ferrari if they were in the same team
Albon lost his Red Bull seat thanks to Lewis's campaign against him and all internet trolls that were racist and alleged that Albon only got the Red Bull seat because that he is Thai (and the drink Red Bull is from Thailand).
Can't wait to see how the cars perform on the Belguim weekend.
This stuff is why I like this sport. Creativity.
Same here. Just a shame they ban innovations within the sport nowadays.
In porpoising While the front is touching the ground due to downforce, but if there is a air flow at the rear of the car just close to diffuser so will it push the rear of the car down and front up due to downforce because the underbody of F1 car is tilted down at the front and lifted up from rear
Please tell
It is worth noting that the RB18s floor has been photographed a few times this season and it appears to have the same 2 piece plank Ferrari is using. However the W13 appears to have a normal 1 piece plank.
Politics are the name of the game in F1, and that should be remembered when you have a team boss vehemently opposing a technical directive yet denying that it will affect his team and also attempting to muddy the waters by falsely conflating the issue of porpoise and bouncing with the flexi-floors (that is what Verstappen and Horner were referencing when they deflected the flexi floor allegations at Mercedes).
The fact of the matter is the evidence we have points to Red Bull and Ferrari being the only teams which have taken advantage of this soon to be closed testing loophole.
I doubt it'll cost them a huge amount of laptime anyways. They're probably going to continue being the 2 fastest cars.
I believe that the W13 was pictured with some sort of 2 piece plank last weekend (should be able to find the picture on Reddit or Twitter). I'm not knowledgeable on this stuff but some people who are have commented on it.
@@theSafetyCar they don’t have it on the car for no reason. They fought it hard because it’s worth a few tenths per lap. That’s quite a lot when you look at it overall
@@LukeTiesTV cdn.crash.net/styles/article/s3/pa/3143868.0064.jpg?itok=hWGpiUP0 Picture from Georges crash in Q3, looks like a 1 piece still to me.
you also find some information here as well.
ruclips.net/video/x6cDlXxzuec/видео.html
What blows my mind is that the floor boards have all those holes for thickness measurements and the FIA has only been using three of them this whole time. Seriously, how much harder is it to stick your calipers in the other couple holes and just enforce the rules properly?
In porpoising While the front is touching the ground due to downforce, but if there is a air flow at the rear of the car just close to diffuser so will it push the rear of the car down and front up due to downforce because the underbody of F1 car is tilted down at the front and lifted up from rear
Please tell
There wasn't much wear at the rear in the past because cars were set up with rake so they were higher in the rear. I always thought that the plank was one piece and was surprised to learn that teams had been allowed to cut it into two pieces. I didn't think any modifications to the plank were allowed other than the placing of up to three titanium skid blocks. The only regulations I could find were from 2017 and state, "Plank must measure 300mm in width, with a tolerance of 2mm. It must run from the frontmost point of the reference plane at 330mm behind the front wheels centerline to the rear wheels centerline. To me, this certainly seems to mean one piece.
@@tiredoldmechanic1791 "The plank may comprise no more than three pieces, the forward one of which may not be any less than 900mm in length." - 2022 tech regs
I'm going to make my mark on F1 by:
Driver - being the fastest, most canny driver in history!
Engineer - by designing the most clever cars and dominating the sport.
Team - by organizing the greatest group of people ever.
Team principle - by screwing the competition as often as possible!!
FIA - by strangling innovation to the nth degree!
@@adarsh6408 I started following F1 as a young teenager for the start of the 1974 season. Here is an example of FIA thinking. The advent of ground effect cars in 1978 (I'm viewing the Lotus 78 as the "gestation" of ground effects), brought a shift from relying upon downforce from above the car to mainly beneath the car, which eventually relegated front and rear wings to function as aerodynamic trim pieces, if you will.
The FIA/F1 wanted to change two things: slow the cars down and remove the possibility of sudden loss of downforce, so they banned sliding skirts. In response, Lotus invented the Type 88 "twin chassis" car, which met the letter of the rules, recovered the underbody venturi seal while perhaps solving the structural problem of the sliding skirt. Upon numerous complaints from other teams, it was banned by the FIA/F1 before it could turn a wheel at that year's Long Beach Grand Prix.
Without sealing the underbody tunnels, cars exhibited exactly the same kind of porpoising we see this season. However, instead of finding innovative solutions to the problem, the FIA/F1 took one giant step backwards (Mother May I?) and banned ground effects altogether.
The same thing happened with active suspension, traction control and a host of other advancements. Now, quite a few of these taboo technologies would be very useful in making F1's new cars drivable as well as raceable.
Exercise control. Keep the peace. Innovation be damned. This seems to be the FIA's creed.
Flexing floors are active aerodynamics, just like flexing wings. active aero has been banned for years.
They are no more active than flexible wings and far less active than DRS.
I'd disagree with you and argue that the FIA banning these advancements drives innovation. Things like removing traction control and active suspension has pushed the engineers to come up with new innovations to claw back that performance and leads to even more innovation and advancements. It has been happening throughout the history of f1 and will carry on happening even more
So, an interpretation which was in the rules, helped solve porpoising, is going to be banned. Makes sense
Welcome to world of FIA
it's not legal to use moving abroad part in f1 for last 25 years
@@math.m9495 but the rules didn't say it this time
Mercedes welcomes the change and was surprised by the findings lol
@@r4nd7r04d5 the rules say no flexing - it was even discussed among the teams when they wrote and agreed to the rules last year. red bull and ferrari took advantage of how the fia tests compliance of the rule and found a way to break it without being caught. this is exactly like ferrari a couple years ago when the found a way to burn illegal amounts of fuel by bypassing the fuel flow sensors
Seems weird to me to not have a 100% spec plank for everyone to use to begin with. It's a safety addition.
Excellent video! Great job of describing the issue clearly.
RB floor is suspected to be deflecting and Ferrari's bends at the rear.
Excellent video, really confusing. It's nice the illustrations explained it better
This is good, they need to enforce the rules just like with the track violations. These laws were specially put in after a series of fatal accidents, there can be no excuse to skirt around them or different interpretations. Nice video. Keep up the good work.
Thing is they're not enforcing the rules, they're changing them mid season because 1 team did most of the crying and complaining. Worst part is that the team that bitched seemed to have solve the problem, but the rules still are going to change. It's unfair, but it adds drama to the next half of the season. It's going to be interesting.
"I don't care" said Christian Horner, sweating profously
You should actually watch his interview, his body language is so obvious that hes lying, and has been caught badly
Excellent video production!
So, 2021 Mercedes: "Red Bull's wing flexes." FiA: "Let's change the rules for you."
2022 Mercedes: "Ferrari and Red Bull floors flex."
FiA: "Let's change the rules again for you mid season..."
Ever the hypocrite I see.
Didn't RB and Ferrari complain to maFIA that Mercedes' DAS system was illegal although it was in the spirit of the rules?
Didn't the maFIA acquiesce to their request and bring the ban hammer down by issuing a new technical direct concerning the legality of Mercedes' DAS system?
Why don't you edit your comment now to reflect the accuracy of F1 poli-tricks instead of appearing to be heavily biased?
@@alexandershaw2378
Yet, DAS was allowed to be carried through to the end of that season and not changed MID SEASON like Mercedes gets every thing changed mid season on other teams...
Thanks for this video! Very helpful.
This I love and hate about F1. They make rules that do not cover 100% or predefine where they will measure (why? The police is also not publishing where they will put the speed trap). Team use this to their benefit, Fia / other teams notice this, and the rules change. Teambosses cry about it and swear they did not abuse it, and point to other teams. And then the Fia gives them 3 races before they sart to measure in more areas. Why not just state, floor cannot flex more then 2 mm? Skids have to be rigid. Plank has to be rigid. Yes measure, but do not state to measure only in spot x and y. Fia can always state, your floor flexes to much, that is illegal, but we understand you need 2 weeks to fix it, so in 2 weeks we will not allow it anymore. Or say, you car does not 100% comply, fix it or take a 5 place grid penalty and fix it next race. Now it takes too long, and if a frontrunner did abuse the rules, they already had extra points because of this, and now get some more races to score before they have to change their floor, plank and skidblocks.
If they are not worried
Then why complaining
get did ot the flex front wings. the wing is split you can see it move on every replay
gotta love this...
Mercs: We will enjoy the new more level playing field.
RB: no, you!
Be interesting to see how they test these floors... carbon can be layed up to flex certain ways....
They are going to have to replicate driving at speed to get the floor to flex
The plank is not carbon just what it's bolted to is they will use force with a testing gage plus they will put sensors around the floor to use data is the car is running under load at pace.
Thank you!
I really don't like these mid-season rule changes, especially with reduced budgets. What if team like Haas comes up with idea that is completely legal and gives them 0.5s advantage to the others and then FIA clamps it down? That kind of change could mean a complete redesign of multiple components and would rather slow them down more than what they gained.
Imagine double diffuser from 2009 getting banned, there would be no Brawn miracle.
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They should do this for next year. I thought it was a change in testing until I read that the actual REGULATION talks about just 2 points where it can flex 2mm. Imo they should then change it for next year as it is not simply changing the tests to enforce the regulation.
It's basically they same as last session with flexible rear wing's. It's not a regulations change just a TD on how it's tested and no just like the rear wing last session it needs to be put into force now.
@@chriscollins550 No it is not the same I think. Last year the rear wing flex was illegal per regulation, but they went around the test. This year it is legal according to the regulation (it says so in the regulation itself about 2mm flex at two specific points). So they need to change the rules itself here, not just the testing procedure as last year.
@@NardKoning no because the are using it as a airo device this mening it's a flexible airo part same as the rear wing last year.
@@chriscollins550 Maybe but that is up for debate. We are talking about an alleged 4mm difference in flexing, which is orders of magnitude less than the rear wing of last year. The question is then which regulation applies more here. Looking at how much the sharkfin, front wing etc. moves, I'd say 2-6mm is not moveable aero in the same ballpark as the rear wing last year, and the moveable aero rule does not apply more here than for the sharkfin, front wing etc., which also flexes. Therefore, it seems to me a technical rule change to the floor, which is something that should be done for next season.
@@NardKoning shark fin isn't a airo part as it has nothing to do with downforce or anything in that nature. The rear wing just like the front wing has different parameters to how much is allowed in tolerance of flexing. But the floor isn't ment to flex but they built it in to the ground affect for downforce this making it an airo part. In both regulations it's not with in the regulations. I don't think many people know why this regulations was introduced in 94 because of deaths two driver's on lost of ground affect killing them both and another crash the could of been deadly. Just like last session with red bull on the rear wing flexing was made illegal because of it braking apart and flying bits going into other cars the floor flexing was on safety grounds again yet red bull will ignore this and still do something that killed two driver's in the name of speed. Don't sound right to me.
Classic FIA, changing the rules mid season to ensure that the teams that did a better job engineering their cars are pegged back so Mercedes can get back in the hunt. Well, this season was fun while it lasted.
using moving airo part was not in the f1 rule and fia didn't know any team using flexible air part ferrari and Redbull using illegal flexible floor they must be disqualified but fia gave them a chance to follow the rules
same thing has happened to mercedes while they were at the front many times.
i.e., the cutback on the floor during the 2021 season hampered their design philosophy of a low car, in fact they were the only team on the grid to be hampered by it as all other teams had high rake cars (excluding the aston martin because it was still the pink mercedes). then DAS, outlawed the moment the season ended. aside from the fact that the fia admitted the floor cutback rule was im-lime red just to hamper mercedes, the rosy picture between merc and the fia isnt as grand as many want to believe
@@math.m9495 every word of that is false. Please stop lying.
@@math.m9495
RB didn't admit to using it. Plus, it's not illegal.
And neither team can be disqualified, they are way bigger than the FIA.
They can break away and start their own competition, pissing all over the FIA.
@@SuperSocks7 Wow I didn't know this. Kinda explains why red bull were so good last season
The pinnacle of motorsports and it all rests on a plank!
Well of course RB are running it. Why do they need until Spa to get it sorted? Was originally meant to get sorted for France. Poor attempt by RB to use MV to say Mercedes are using it too, an attempt at "deflection" I feel. Will bunch the pack up definitely.
If it's a loophole in the rules, why can't it wait till the end of the year to change it? That's how I see the FIA decision on DAS.
If it's cheating and the rules define that then enforce, it but if the rules don't state that is wrong then why change them mid-season?
Party mode anyone?
DAS wasn't a loophole. FIA banned it After the Season because it was predicted that other teams would have to spend enormous amounts of money to build their own version. And this was not allowed. It complied with all rules
@@darwinLee81283 but following up on how they changed it why don't they treat all scenarios that way
@@903breaks3 because it didn't break the rules. The flex floor is breaking the rules. This plank exist for a reason.
DAS was legal my bro
Funny, a team which doesn't see any influence on their own design. Now wants other teams to make changes.
F1 was a sport where clever innovations were rewarded.
But now it seems that the cost cap makes it more interesting to blame other teams, instead of copying and improving technologies and designs.
I don't feel this is the right spirit.
Bribe money isn’t part of the cost cap.
I'm pretty sure this has been the norm for some time.
Complain to get the thing banned while you work to copy it for yourself.
It doesn't matter if you get to use it or not, their aim is to close the performance gap asap
This has always been part of F1. Find a loophole and exploit it until the other teams get it banned. Remember DAS? 😁
just like the FIA banned hydraulic suspension, DAS, custom brake ducts, team issued wheels, and made a cut out in the 2021 floors to help slow down low rake cars etc. The FIA did everything they can to slow down the Mercs. This season they caught 2 teams cheating by creatively working around the test. It wouldn't surprise me if this change made Mercedes the fastest LEGAL car again.
@@gehteuchnixan69 yeah I remember, Mercedes’ comes up with an innovation, then the FIA bans it immediately but for next season. Stopping anyone from attempting to copy and solidifying the advantage.
According to Toto "equal field" means Merc fininshing 30 seconds ahead of anybody, but if anybody else does it is cheating? Seem ok
It's not a spec series. Equal field means the teams all adhere to the same rules. I don't understand how can anyone watch this sport and not be impressed by the amount of technical innovation Mercedes team brings each season. Complain that the other teams are spending most of their time cheating instead of trying to come up with actually innovative solutions.
@@JanVerny
they all copy mercedes turbo.
They will need crank up more power they have most reliable engine on the grid
It feels like Merc has an investigation Engineer department
@@JanVerny so you saying that when Mercedes come up with something it's innovative and when other teams come up with something it's cheating...
@@jonocoetzer It would be best to ignore an argument obviously made in bad faith, alas... There is a huge difference between innovation and cheating. Mercs have so far always made sure their design is legal. The same can hardly be said about other big teams, who try to hide their "innovations" from FiA because they're clearly breaking the rules of the sport.
Business as usual for F1 it is the smaller teams it will actually hurt with extra testing and compliance costs.
That’s only if the smaller teams have adopted the flexible floor. By their relative performance to the leaders, you can assume they haven’t.
So they don’t require any floor changes or extra testing, and will be brought closer to the front runners.
Poor, innocent Mercedes. There, there. The FIA is coming to your rescue. Toto hiding behind "safety" and making his drivers act and pretend to be hurt should result in banishment from the sport. Fans deserve so much better than the cowardice cancer that is mErCeDes.
Ferrari and Red Bull did everything within the rules, the rules weren’t specific enough. All teams could’ve taken advantage of this but only Ferrari and Red Bull were smart enough to do so. Now Mercedes complains because they weren’t smart enough when designing the car. Can’t change the rules mid season. FIA is a BIG Joke.
Except that has always happened if you break the spirit the rule is written in, RBR already knew this from a decade ago when they got their front wings flexing.
So then why was Mercedes' DAS system made illegal mid season? I didn't see you complaining and championing then that the rules shouldn't be changed mid season as you're now doing on behalf of RBR and Ferrari when Mercedes were in fact within the guidelines of the rules but because RBR/Max/Horner were complaining to maFIA they outlawed it. Stop being hypocrite bob.
did we see a red bull that the floor couldn't flex in silverstone?
LOL I'd hardly call this a trick or a loophole. The rules could have easily just said that they couldn't flex. But instead they are extremely specific that it can only not flex at certain spots meaning they are 100% ok with it flexing else where.
If the plank is being manipulated then that should be a full disqualification as the whole point of the plank is to keep the cars from running too low. And it should have never been allowed to be a 2 piece plank because that is sole intention on having it bend without cracking. I thought the floors were just being allowed to make room for the plank, but if the plank is bending then that is out and out cheating. And the only reason they are allowed to get away with it is it would be a black eye for the sport to take the wins away from the only 2 teams that have won.
I totally agree, If what they’re doing is illegal, how can all the previous results from this season stand?
@@ollieh98 after the controversy of the Abu Dubai farce, the FIA would look completely incompetent if they took away an entire half season of wins. Also given the backlash they’d face from Ferrari fans and toxicity from a certain “orange” fan base. As with Abu Dubai results standing after clear rules being broken, the FIA will not admit they were wrong or lose face.
I dunno, flexi floors seems like lawyers finding loopholes to get you off a crime you committed, rather than you actually being innocent.
This 'change' doesnt sound like a rule change so much as clarity of original intention.
Yeah, i've seen people discussing the potential difference between the letter of the law and the spirit of the law, but this one sits between the letter of the law and the tests to police it. it's far from the first instance of this - red bull's flexing front wings a few years ago, brabham''s ride height button in the 80s, (cough ferrari's fuel thing cough) - but it's definitely a step beyond things like footwork wings & x-wings or f-ducts
If crime is not defined by the law as a crime, then it is not a crime really.
This rule change is wrong because it is an actual regulation change, not a testing change to enforce it better. That is different from for example the rear wing flex tests of last year.
@@Puj0 Oh come on. The rules didn't say the floor can flex/bend to allow the car to get lower/manipulate how the board hits the ground, allowing it to get lower than the desired impact on ride height control and you're arguing the rules don't define it as a crime.
Come now... the entire point of introducing the board to limit/control the ride height. To find a loophole/wording so as to circumvent said rules intention and nope, apparently no problem? Just wow.....
funny how FIA change it mid season to help Mercedes yet when Merc had the DAS steering FIA only changed the law after the season meaning Mercedes won everything and any other team developing the same never got to use it.
Merc had a bigger gap in the rear wing that Max spotted so they gave Max a fine and asked Merc to hide it better.
Remember max trolling Mercedes to raise the car to solve porpoising
Max fakestapen the fake champion comment about Mercedes raising their car, while he knew redbull are cheating. Hypocrite to highest level
@@Jones3590 LOL They where never cheating, the rules literally stated only specific parts had limited flex. They followed the rules that were written.
@@raymerfamily4547 Who’s this ? They didn’t cheat, i do. Bad people supporting injustice
@@Jones3590 What cheating are you claiming they did?
1. Other teams outperforms Merc.
2. Merc complains about excessive porpoising/bouncing
3. FIA helps Merc finds out where other teams strength is.
4. Other teams got their strengths banned.
5. Merc bouncing issue never arises ever again
6. Profit!!!
Isn’t the same thing but the other way around what happened last year with DAS?
I love how everyone thinks the FIA help Mercedes out, when the 2021 floor change was designed specifically to HURT Mercedes, as they dropped down to level with RB and AM fell to the back (similar car design), then the FIA literally changed the rules last minute in the final race of the season to gift RB the championship. Trust me, the FIA do not like helping Mercedes lol
Meanwhile at RedBull (past protest) slowing mercedes-
1. ban f-duct (2009)
2. ban engine party mode (2018)
3. ban engine oil burn (2017)
4. ban/slowing low-rake car (2021)
5. ban multiple fuel formulation (2019)
6. ban DAS (Dual Axis Steering) [2020]
7. ban 3rd Damper System (2021)
Toxic RedBull!!
@@Shaggy12321 after 7 consecutive wcc? that makes the most obvious sense. but only halfway through ONE season?? lmao🤡
@@k__k___ oh god here we go again.
1. DAS was banned at the END of the season
2. Mercedes at that point has been dominating WCC for 7 CONSECUTIVE SEASONS.
FIAMG
AKA changing rules mid-season to help Mercs be competitive.
It’s illegal lol this has nothing to do with merc. The flexing skid blocks have always been illegal
Ferrari High fuel flow engine was banned mid season when RB went to FIA
they aren't changing the rules, they are enforcing the existing rules and adjusting testing and inspection methods to ensure that teams aren't cheating.
You can’t change rules during a season unless it’s a safety issue, they’re simply clarifying the regulations to ensure nothing illegal continues.
mercedes has literally nothing to do with this, they did not even know rb and ferrari were running flexi planks. there were no rule changes. flexi planks were always a big nono for the FIA, and this time around is no different. FIA brought up the issue themselves.
Best Part of F1 is it being Lauded by everyone all over the world for its 'engineering pinnacle' only to see these great engineering feats banned and shut down by the FIA. shame.
🧂
Nice try Horner
Floor rules Exist for a reason. Remember how Senna and Ratzneburger we're lost?? Oh.. your a new fan...
If this can reduce porpoising shouldn't FIA enforced this on all teams for the drivers safety?
No because there's a reason thus regulations was originally put in place in 94 because of the death of two driver's and a 3rd bad crash on dame week end all because of ground affect cars.
@@chriscollins550 Ground effect cars weren't a thing in the 90s
@@chriscollins550 Ground effect cars weren't a thing in the 90s
@@tobiast471 yes it was. After sena death and few other incidents ground affect car's was banned.
@@chriscollins550 No Ground Effect Cars where last used in the 80s the 1994 Cars had a normal straight floor
the new plank directive has really slowed Red Bull down !!!!....wonder what Merc will find to moan about now 🤔
I noticed mercedes have an incredibly flexible front wings...but people dont say anything about it
Hamilton drives it, so its legal according to the script.
In porpoising While the front is touching the ground due to downforce, but if there is a air flow at the rear of the car just close to diffuser so will it push the rear of the car down and front up due to downforce because the underbody of F1 car is tilted down at the front and lifted up from rear
Please tell
Holy cow, you've cracked this thing wide open. In your analysis, how far outside of the range of allowable flexibility has Mercedes ventured?
I'm new to F1 but i think I'm going to pass it seems every aspect of the sport that are supposed to make it amazing are just policed into the ground.
Doesn't seem worth my time anymore
This type of thing shouldn’t unmotivate you at all
It has gotten worse every year since the Hybrid era has started.
This is such a minor squabble in the grand scheme of things. It's weird that this would be what changes your mind.
Look at the positives though, this has been one of the best starts to a season for a long time, and the new rules have allowed for much closer racing.
Fia continues to go out of their way to make all cars the exact same. May as well just give the teams a car
Red Bull were clearly higher off the ground than Mercedes at Baku, and still smoked them.
If the rules don't say anything about flexing floors in the way its been implemented is it cheating or finding a solution? And if it reduces the bouncing thus improving "safety" surely it should be promoted and not slammed...
If you read the rules it's a clever way to cheat and RB and Ferrari got caught with their hands in the cookie jar.
@@LDTOK-zs8oz understand what you saying but if they are cheating then penalties or fines are due, but that's not happening.
Everything non-Mercedes invention gets banned mid season, even 1 second pitstops were banned because of MB imagine if the DAS was banned mid-season
Engine modes banned mid season. And that wasn’t even a loop hole of FIA rules.
"1 second pitstops" was a consequence, and it was banned mid season because it was a safety rule, safety rules (along with flexi planks) are allowed to be put in place mid-season, for obvious reasons. DAS was not banned mid season because it was completely legal. please understand the difference
Ummm... Photos from Austria and Silverstone show that Mercedes have also used this split bending skid block. Sooooooo??? Interesting how no one in the British media seems to be talking about them doing the same thing they are badgering other teams about. Mercedes have obviously gotten ahead of he bad press. It's a team I have lost all respect for this year.
It was the fia that found all of this nothing to do with Mercedes and then they checked every car and all the other's we're in regulation but two. Didn't blame Mercedes for red bull cheating flexing again.
@@chriscollins550 mate look at the images from the floors used in Silverstone and Austria. They also had the split plank design.
To me it smells more like they knew this investigation found something and knew in advance kind of like the floor stays, hence why they are happy.
@@MarkioNo1 no they didn't all car's had been looked at by then and checked. Fia only found two team's to be doing this. Roman car was in two part's after he's crashed that mean he's car had an illegal part. It was also one picture of the Mercedes car and could of been adapted to help fan's like you believe in force information.
@@chriscollins550 look again mate. Also thr change isn't in effect till Belgium. It's a strengthening of the enforcement test. I wish I could post images to show you yesterday Mercedes has the split plank design too.
How does Max V. know what is going on under Mercedes floor? Oh, I forgot, he knows everything!
no, max was clueless, he was talking about the outer edges of the mercedes floor which was allowed to flex, while fia horner and toto were talking about the plank. max did not have to make that comment at all
Havent you heard Max is an expert now. He can put his hand through a rear wing flap and tell you the difference in millimetres! Amazing
To be fair, the flexible floors and the porpoising problems they cause have become such a safety issue it makes no sense NOT to limit floor flexibility now if one does not want to permanently injure or kill drivers.
The flexibility of the plank was limited . Now teams went ahead and abused the flexibility as much as 3 times
You know why this was made illegal in the first place. Because it did kill two people on same weekend and another driver had another big crash that same weekend in 94. This is why the regulation was put in place.
Typical Mercedes.....
FIA let them use DAS for an entire season but wants to ban flex floors. TOTALLY not suspicious.
Meanwhile at RedBull (past protest) slowing mercedes-
1. ban f-duct (2009)
2. ban engine party mode (2018)
3. ban engine oil burn (2017)
4. ban/slowing low-rake car (2021)
5. ban multiple fuel formulation (2019)
6. ban DAS (Dual Axis Steering) [2020]
7. ban 3rd Damper System (2021)
@@arifsynergreen4485 fax but this rb kids donz see this and will never admit this.
Poor you, must be hurting badly
@@mineralwater6736 Lol definitely not a rb kid. I peep my profile pic.....
If you believe that mercedes don't have a flexi floor, then you'll believe anything. In recent years they've been the team that played around with flexible components more than most; their flexi rear wing last year and the flexi front wing this year.
WTF are you on about? or did you accidentally spell redbull wrong? RBR are the cheatiest team I've ever seen in decades of watching F1 and have used "grey areas"(cheated) every. single. year.
@@oxfordsparky Read it again. I didn’t say anybody cheated or that red bull hadn’t done the same. What exactly are you angry about?
mate what flexi wing last year? it was redbull that had the flexible rear wing last year. and this year, every single team has a flexing front wing. its impossible to make something completely rigid.
And if you don't believe mercedes doesnt have a flexible floor (which can be proven by looking at the underside photos of the car), who do you believe?
@@oxfordsparky did you really call masterpieces by Adrian Newey “cheating”. Mind you innovation in F1 is not “cheating” and has been around since the beginning of the sport.
Do you actually watch F1 or do you just repeat nonsense talking points? It's red bull that has repeatedly being caught with aero parts that flex excessively.
Cheating is cheating, if The Scuderia and Red Bulls*** made the planks moveable to sneak through inspection, that’s on purpose and they deserve what they get. If Toto knew this and sandbagged the front half of the season to gain wind tunnel points he’s a genius.
I dont understand why flexi is being outlawed.
Because mercedes wanted it to be banned
It gives aerodynamic benefit since the floor will be behave differently in slow speed corner and high speed corner. Thus, it will give some performance gain.
@@azizhusseinz2083 so thats a good thing for the sport. so again, why should it be banned? it doesnt affect safety even.
Lewis cried. That’s why.
@@mtrps_ flexible parts blur the line between static and movable aero devices. So while some degree of flexibility can not be avoided because of durability and the nature of the materials used, it generally goes against the spirit of the regulations which ban movable aero devices
Lol... That right change the rules so that Mercedes can catch up... Well done... The one thing known to solve the bouncing issues you going to be banned... Stupid stupid stupid...
If they stop the bouncing... then surely all teams should be allowed to use this feature! Mercedes and FIA very dodgy deals going on? When the last rule change came in... Mercedes had parts ready the next day and fitted - impossible to design/manufacture and implement in that time frame - very suspicious!
You realise the “parts” you are talking about consisted of 2 metal rods to act as stays.
It isn’t that hard for a multimillion pound company like Mercedes to machine 2 metal stays overnight.
all idiots have somethings against mercedes. mercedes literally has nothing to do with this.
Lol that plat was similar across the team. They probably come from single manufacture. I believe tha changes is not substantial. It will not change much.
i think you might be in for a big shock after spa.
Mercedes, not dominating another season start crying.
Wipe your tears then, I'll come back to this exact comment when summer break ends
@@Randomvideos-zi7pe I'm not the one crying. Do you think Mercedes will win this year? Maybe they will, it would make an exciting championship. Why a race fan would want one team or driver to completely be dominant is beyond me. LH is a brilliant driver, but so are others. Some fans of his even thought that if he drove for one of the lower teams he'd still of won as many races. His and Mercedes dominance made the sport dull.
Why would you click on a video no to watch it?
@@neiltonks you are just basing your prediction, so I'll be back to see if you are wrong or right, simple as that
@@Randomvideos-zi7pe my prediction?
F1 teams be like cheating ,mois !
FIA bellends!!
Mercedes getting help.
When the things not on Mercedes favor, everything will going to be banned...🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
cringe
Just say it na - FIA is run by Mercedes
if thats true then how come ferrari were found cheating by the FIA, not banned, didn't even lose points and agreed to keep the issue private?
We're only seven months out from Abu Dhabi and you've all rushed back to this paranoid stance already? Lol.
@@oxfordsparky you forgot they had an entire season with a nerfed PU
mercedes has nothing to do with this. period.
Red Bull is so full of shit.
hmm so if there is a wooden plank how do f1 cars generate sparks at speeds?
The metal diffuser or edges of the metal floor brushing the ground.
All these ex Mercedes employees embedded in the FIA is toxic
Says the guy who could not name a single one without a 2 hour Google search...
99% of the are ex Ferrari team in the fia not Mercedes. Apart from one lady who is nothing but a lawyer who original come from the fia to Mercedes and went back to the fia. There's no one else in the fia from Mercedes
So many red bull toilet cleaners crying in this comment section 🤣🤣🤣
Merc fan ?
F1 who could cheat the best and getaway with it.. that’s simple
since it is known that Ferrari and Red Bull have a flex floor, what will be the punishment for them or there will be nothing and to continue with the standard floor, which would be the greatest stupidity
1) It is jlnit confirmed they have this. 2) There are cars are fully legal so there will be no penalties. Unlike many in this comment section are saying, its not a case of illegal cars avoiding regulations, its fully legal cars.
@@NardKoning if their car is legal, then why do they have to change the floor before the race in Belgium, your comment makes no sense
@@onlytrue5169 because they are changing the regulations so its no longer legal... point is there is a difference between an illegal car right now, which avoids testing, and a legal car, which can be made illegal when the rules are changed.
Mercedes would rather shoot themselves and everybody else in the foot than adopt an idea that would solve their porpoising problem and help them create a car possibly on par with the top runners.
Merc already solved the porpoising issue. Also, the idea to use flexible floors goes against the rule of no moving aero parts (DRS excluded).
why would teams want to adopt an idea that was intentionally put in place for safety... 2 drivers were killed one weekend in 94, which is why this rule was put in place. teams understood for years that the plank was not allowed to flex for safety purposes, and this year 2 of the top teams are abusing the rule to gain some advantage. dont you think its only right that fia reinforces the rule?
As if anyone believes a single syllable from the mouth of that Weasel Christian Horner!🤣
Loopholes are part of F1, this looks like one team tricked the regulators to change rules in middle of season. Snif Snif, this looks like TOTO is a p. of s.
you mean like how DAS was banned because other teams couldnt think of it and then ban on usage of different modes because other teams couldnt keep up?
@@BasuSatwik DAS were banned next season
@@erlanggaprasetyo3541 and redbull protested ferraris engine halfway through the season and got it banned, but you carry on letting Merc live rent free in your head...
if all loopholes were allowed to continue, mercedes would be the top team even with their current aero setup, no question about it. merc had so many of their LEGAL innovations banned over the years
Mafia Mercedes😎😎. Mercedes cries and the FIA obeys🤮🤮
Max fakestapen is a hypocrite for comment about Mercedes to raise their car to lose more speed, so he can win the championship easily. While he know redbull are cheating with fixing of plank under the car floor 🤣
All because some drivers had back aches
Toto is full of BS! His car has a flexi floor as well. Take a look at the Floor coming off of LULU's after the crash! it is split same as Ferrari and RB. So, wind the dial back, wasn't Froto so concerned with LULU's ass a few weeks ago? This was all a ploy to try and catch the front two teams. Merc knows the car is crap and wants to change everything to support the narrative. I can't wait to see Froto toss his head set with force and scream...."no LULU we changed the rules for you!!! why are u still slow?" LULU's response "Froto, we have a S..., Box" "Come on man!"
What a load if rubbish you had written down. Nothing of that is true just a child's view on it.
@@chriscollins550 Really, did you even look at the floor pictures at Austria? No, you did not. Did you see the Alfa's floor no you did not. So, dial back your rubbish Fan Boy!
@@markmata389 picture's are not fact. You keep believing what you like it has no bering on anything in the real life and racing. Your just upset that it's red bull and you just want to see them win. Horner knows to well how to cheat ask he's wife and new baby when he cheated on her with ugly spice.
@@chriscollins550 They were when they came off the car. So, you know you are incorrect in your assessment, the floor is clearly split in the middle. Toto and team are sad they didn't think of it first and complained to the FIA And you guessed wrong, Lifelong Ferrari fan, could care less who drives them. Merc makes a nice taxi, I don't like Red Bull drinks, Ferrari makes a beautiful machine.
@@markmata389 split in half after an accident means nothing. That's why the fia didn't look into it. Clutching at straw's. Toto had nothing to do with it until the fia told all the team's. He can't see under the car's and put load tests on their car's. It was the fia nothing to do with toto or Mercedes. Ferrari last good car was the f40 they haven't made a good car since.
Rules are rules. Ppl are only encouraging it because their teams are benefiting/cheating
Wrong! People are encouraging it because there's nothing really wrong with the floors. They're perfectly legal, but mercedes isn't dominating so they cried to FIA to change the rules for them once again.
@@horsepower523 they aren’t legal which is why they are clarifying the rule. If they were legal they would just let every team do it
@@built2jzlexus496 They are completely legal right now but won't be from Spa onwards. That's why FIA is making this clarification. Right now those floors are 100% within the rules. Merc just didn't think of it and is now crying and moaning.
What teams will do to try and win by cheating through loopholes.
So Mercedes has das. Gets banned following season. Redbull has flex floor, Mercedes lobbies and gets it banned instantly
The difference is, what Mercedes did with DAS was completely legal. This is illegal within the regulations, and they’re now clarifying the rules to ensure it isn’t happening any more. Completely different, but you keep believing your narrative
All teams cannot copy DAS lol
Where is source for lobbies? I really want to know. 😂😂
Flexi floors are exploiting the rules, DAS was not, there was nothing in the rules to prevent DAS.
Ferrari had their engine banned halfway through the season a couple of years ago (because of RedBulls protest) and done that 'special' deal with the FIA to prevent them being kicked out the constructors championship for that year.
I'd suggest that you stop letting Merc live rent free in your head, you will be happier for it and less upset when Merc become fastest after Spa.
1. Mercedes had checked with the FIA whether they were allowed to implement DAS and they were for that season.
The only reason it got outlawed for the following season was because either all the other teams had to adopt it or Mercedes (the current front runners) had to drop it. Either way it would give the same result, and banning it would reduce the complexity of the cars and save money.
2. Where is your evidence of Mercedes lobbying against Red Bull’s flexi floor.
3. It has not gotten banned instantly; the technical directive was proposed in Montreal I think, but they have until Belgium to change it.
4. Horner says their floor is legal, so they, and you have nothing to worry about. Ferrari meanwhile have admitted they will need to change their floor concept, so if anything, Red Bull fans should be welcoming this technical directive.
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What's that Mercedes complaining....again?
Mercedes cant get it right so FIA will change the rules to suit Mercedes and get them back to winning by 20 seconds again. If Mercedes lower their top end speed they lower porpoising but no they want to keep having the speed advantage they always have.
If FIA say its for safety then better drop the top speed of cars down to a max of100 km/h as G force is also unhealthy.
Wolf was not surprised as he and Merc have FIA in their pocket.
DAS??
Come on, are you really calling the plank a skid block just a minute into this video?
Yeah, you apparently have no idea what you're talking about and this entire video is 4:40 of nonsense. Great.
In porpoising While the front is touching the ground due to downforce, but if there is a air flow at the rear of the car just close to diffuser so will it push the rear of the car down and front up due to downforce because the underbody of F1 car is tilted down at the front and lifted up from rear
Please tell
Please! let this bring Merc back into contention!
Ferrari needs the Flexi floors as they're the slowest car on the Grid with horrible drivers
Alex albon in Williams is faster than Charles in the Ferrari if they were in the same team
Albon lost his Red Bull seat thanks to Lewis's campaign against him and all internet trolls that were racist and alleged that Albon only got the Red Bull seat because that he is Thai (and the drink Red Bull is from Thailand).
What are you smoking clown? That's some crazy bullshit 😂