What a nostalgia trip! I recorded a couple album's worth of music with the MAudio Delta 44. It was great. I was a long time EMagic Logic Audio user in the mid 90s, and then Sony Vegas Audio at around '98 (which is what I used the MAudio with).
If you get a good price I think it's definitely worth it! I wouldn't be surprised if you could get this working on modern Windows. It would probably definitely work on Linux.
Wow…. Nice job! From a fellow retro-techie who is also a musician, this was a great song and sounded great on that hardware!! Also, you could literally play any retro FPS with this as a soundtrack.
Woah! You might be tapping into some different crowd here! :D The verse could easily go for a Trivium part, if you paced up the tempo a notch or two. :D I can’t speak for everyone of course, but I’d love to see some more of this. USB audio adapters were getting better and better since around the year 2008. Before that, there was a lot of noise caused by the USB interface. Not to mention the throughput, which was horrendous when producing multi track audio. Thanks for the awesome content. You’re really producing my kind of content! :D
Funny you mention Trivium, I've actually been listening to them quite a bit lately after I saw them in concert last year. I guess it shows haha. As far as making more content like this, I would love to if I can get a hold of more hardware. These types of interfaces are increasingly rare for some reason. I do have a few kicking around though, so I'm bound to get around to it eventually.
I have fond memories of these Delta cards from back in the day. I had a couple of the delta 44's which I purchased in 1999 soon after they were released. Using two of them it allows to use all 8 channels I/O in sync. This was amazing back then. I used Cakewalk Pro Audio, I think started with 6 to multitrack recording with local bands. It definitely beat what was more standard around that time which was tascam 4 track, and Alesis ADAT machines which were a professional standard. I still have them around, included a 1010LT that I purchased recently. A couple of weeks ago I actually plugged them into my Windows 11 machine with a PCI-E to PCI adapter. Surprisingly the drivers can still be made to work. They still sound great after all of these years.
It's amazing how good some of the old interfaces still are. If you can get a hold of them, even the super old RME Fireface Firewire interfaces sound great. For the longest time, I think the tech for digital sound was pretty much there. We were just waiting for processing power to catch up.
Great🤩 I have a modern pc of course but I do my recordings on a vista retro pc just because I like it! My recording device is USB 2.0 already. It is the Terratec DMX 6Fire and it has decent quality. As I don't play music and just record retro pc stuff, Audacity is all I need. But you can really build a DAW for low cost on old parts today, and I hope this help young musicians without much money to get into it.
Sometimes a dedicated recording PC is nice, and I always kind of had a soft spot for Vista myself. What is interesting is I see posts on Reddit all the time from people asking for what they should buy to record music. Some people suggest some crazy expensive stuff. Truth is for most types of music you don't really need much, and you can make almost anything work. Even for software, REAPER essentially has an unlimited evaluation period(almost like WinRAR) for people who can't afford it. I used it for years without paying when I didn't have the money to do so. It has never been a better time in history for people who want to record their music without spending much money.
This card works with Windows NT 3.51 from 1995. I installed NT 3.51 on my Ryzen 9 3900X and I needed a sound card and this is how I found out it works. (using NT4 drivers) This card has also 64bit drivers for Windows 10/11... I don't think there is another sound card as compatible as this.
The Sound Blaster Live is actually pretty amazing for this as well. It works on Windows 95 and with the KX Drivers it will run on Windows 11 no problem.
The timing of you releasing this video is just beyond crazy. Just this week I revived a computer and Layla3g, both from 2004. Reason being, the Layla3g has 8 outputs, and my Scarlet 4i4 only has 4. I wanted to try my hand at 5.1 surround sound mixing, which requires at least 5 outputs. Only problem with it is the fact that it uses a PCI card, and a cable to the breakout box. Modern computers don't have the old PCI slot, hence the old computer. I was able to get the audio interface working, but my DAW wouldn't install because it was only a 32 bit system. Then I figured out a totally different solution all together and ditched that. But yeah, I was recording using my computer back in 1998. Been doing it ever since.
you can more than likely get a PCI-E x1 to PCI universal vertical for use with any case with vertical GPU slots right against the side of the case. Those will suffocate and overheat your GPU, anyway. Likewise, you can simply keep the soundcard outside your tower. In all Irony, I found a review for one of these adapters on Amazon that said something similar, about wanting to record 5.1 audio.
@@needsLITHIUM I was trying to keep my original comment to a minimum 🙂 I found a PCI to PCIe adapter on Amazon that worked GREAT!!! I was kind of blown away. And for the brief two day period I was trying this out, I had the PCI card outside the case. I could have kept it in place, but I just don't need two audio interfaces connected to my computer. The way I figured out how to actually mix in 5.1 is via HDMI to my home stereo receiver. It's already run there so I can play games on my big TV with surround sound. I figured out Cakewalk can address each channel in the receiver (there are 9) and set up surround. Since I'll be doing the stereo mix on my studio monitors, I'll just use the home theater to mix in 5.1.
This is awesome. Super cool to see modern software play nice with older hardware, as well as seeing how older hardware stacks up to what you can get today. Probably wouldn't have bought my Audient ID14 if i could have had something like this work on Win11. I don't know if you'd be interested, but it'd be cool to see what era-appropriate DAWs and plugins can do compared to the newest version of Reaper and the new (relative to the hardware) plugins showcased here.
That is a great idea. I definitely have a few ideas if I could get everything working. I have used SAW in the past which is a multitrack DAW that runs on Windows 3.1. Finding some of the old stuff can be a bit difficult since companies like Steinburg have some odd DRM, and old plugins are hard to find archives of.
I've always low-key wanted one of those, but they have become expensive in recent years. The availability of realistic drum plugins has made this type of music easier to record without multiple musicians in recent years. Regardless, I will say the sound quality on this is pretty good, and if you miced acoustic instruments or had a vocalist it would sound fine. I almost made an acoustic guitar demo but I ran out of time.
I still have my old M-Audio Audiophile 2496. I remember using it to record via a Behringer Xenyx 802 Mixer using Ardour on Ubuntu Studio Linux, lol, as well as via REAPER in Windows 7. I kinda wanna get an adapter and riser to use it in modern Linux with Reaper. I know the chipset is still supported there.
I was pretty early on the recording on computer bandwagon - I remember buying Cubase VST 3.5 in the late 90's and using that. Most of the tracks were MIDI (through my trusty Korg X5) but the ability to record audio as well as fantastic.
That is neat! I was very young at the time and obviously never messed with any of that professional stuff. I didn't get into recording until the early 2000s.
It's a while since I've had a go on one, but I remember being frustrated that normal barre chord shapes didn't work on a 7. I remember seeing a Ben Eller video some time ago about a specific tuning he uses on his 7s to compensate.
If you can get a system with relatively modern 64-bit CPU and a PCI slot - there are plenty of AMD boards from the early 2010's from BioStar, MSI, and AsRock that still had PCI slots that you could run a Phenom II x6 or some sort of Piledriver architechture FX-6x00 or FX-8x00 chip with DDR3 on. Many of the prebuilt versions of these older systems, people are trying to get rid of - throwing Linux on it, or even Windows 7, might work better.
your version is different from the one I spotted on the internet . the pci card is blue and the box has less inputs than yours , but the seller advertised M audio delta 66 PCI
These days there are a gazillion retro computer channels around, but very few do innovative content like yours. It's always a pleasure watching your videos and it saddens me that your channel is still so unappreciated. I really hope the almighty RUclips algorithm blesses your channel soon! Always looking forward for your next video.
Thanks! I'm glad you enjoy the videos, I have fun making them and will continue to do so even if the algorithm doesn't bless them. Looking at my analytics, I don't think RUclips always knows what to do with my content. lol
@@DOSStorm haha well perhaps it was an over-exaggeration on my part. But I was definitely surprised. I suppose it's because hardware these days is so much more powerful and 20 years ago you'd think that all modern software would be too demanding. Then again, a friend of mine has just bought an old MacMini just so he can run Reaper alongside OSX 9 era software.
@@binface9 The cool thing about Reaper is it is VERY light and it is only a 15MB download. The downside is you don't get very many included plugins like you do with other DAWs, but the simplicity of it is probably the reason it still works on old stuff.
Not much of a challenge imo. Digital mastering has existed since the 70s. For consumers this became feasible in the mid 90s in terms of CD quality, so you should have rather targeted the Windows 3 or DOS era if you wanted to show something that would impress those that were around at that time.
Very true, this is still an extremely usable way to record! I was sharing this mainly to show how so much modern software still works under Windows 2000 and how decent old cheap interfaces can be. It's also surprising how many people think you need an extremely powerful modern machine to produce music. I do have a few ideas on how to get a full song recorded with Windows 3.1/95 and RML SAWClassic but we will see in the future. On my other channel I did do some silly recording experiments with a Sound Blaster 16 and I used an OPL3 chip for drums.
@@DOSStorm Thank you for your answer. I appreciate the personal reply. I can imagine that younger people really can't imagine what was possible back then, so your video does well to showcase that. Gotta check out your other channel then. Keep it up :)
I've had a curiosity of using older digital/software for music recording, as it's all deemed obsolete now, so great vid to check out.
What a nostalgia trip! I recorded a couple album's worth of music with the MAudio Delta 44. It was great. I was a long time EMagic Logic Audio user in the mid 90s, and then Sony Vegas Audio at around '98 (which is what I used the MAudio with).
I think these were a bit ahead of their time, and something you could grow into and keep using as computers got better.
I was thinking of getting one of these old audio interfaces for *reasons*, now I think I need one!
If you get a good price I think it's definitely worth it! I wouldn't be surprised if you could get this working on modern Windows. It would probably definitely work on Linux.
Just epic man! Rock on!
🤘 Thanks! I'm glad you enjoyed it.
Wow…. Nice job! From a fellow retro-techie who is also a musician, this was a great song and sounded great on that hardware!! Also, you could literally play any retro FPS with this as a soundtrack.
Thanks! I would love to write music like this for some indie FPS. lol
Came for the tech, stayed for the music, you covered both of my hobbies, old techs and guitar! Thanks
Thank you! Those are my two favorite hobbies as well. =)
Woah! You might be tapping into some different crowd here! :D
The verse could easily go for a Trivium part, if you paced up the tempo a notch or two. :D
I can’t speak for everyone of course, but I’d love to see some more of this.
USB audio adapters were getting better and better since around the year 2008. Before that, there was a lot of noise caused by the USB interface. Not to mention the throughput, which was horrendous when producing multi track audio.
Thanks for the awesome content. You’re really producing my kind of content! :D
I have played music with him for years, he is a phenomenal thrash musician.
Funny you mention Trivium, I've actually been listening to them quite a bit lately after I saw them in concert last year. I guess it shows haha. As far as making more content like this, I would love to if I can get a hold of more hardware. These types of interfaces are increasingly rare for some reason.
I do have a few kicking around though, so I'm bound to get around to it eventually.
Bumped the playback to 1.5x and it definitely had the Trivium thing lol
@@RubyRokshaha nice! I didn’t even think of the functionality in YT, but it definitely helps a lot to make that Trivium feel complete! :D
@@DOSStormcheck that @RubyRoks comment in this thread. It really works for the riffs! :D
I have fond memories of these Delta cards from back in the day. I had a couple of the delta 44's which I purchased in 1999 soon after they were released. Using two of them it allows to use all 8 channels I/O in sync. This was amazing back then. I used Cakewalk Pro Audio, I think started with 6 to multitrack recording with local bands. It definitely beat what was more standard around that time which was tascam 4 track, and Alesis ADAT machines which were a professional standard. I still have them around, included a 1010LT that I purchased recently. A couple of weeks ago I actually plugged them into my Windows 11 machine with a PCI-E to PCI adapter. Surprisingly the drivers can still be made to work. They still sound great after all of these years.
It's amazing how good some of the old interfaces still are. If you can get a hold of them, even the super old RME Fireface Firewire interfaces sound great. For the longest time, I think the tech for digital sound was pretty much there. We were just waiting for processing power to catch up.
Great🤩 I have a modern pc of course but I do my recordings on a vista retro pc just because I like it! My recording device is USB 2.0 already. It is the Terratec DMX 6Fire and it has decent quality. As I don't play music and just record retro pc stuff, Audacity is all I need. But you can really build a DAW for low cost on old parts today, and I hope this help young musicians without much money to get into it.
Sometimes a dedicated recording PC is nice, and I always kind of had a soft spot for Vista myself. What is interesting is I see posts on Reddit all the time from people asking for what they should buy to record music. Some people suggest some crazy expensive stuff. Truth is for most types of music you don't really need much, and you can make almost anything work.
Even for software, REAPER essentially has an unlimited evaluation period(almost like WinRAR) for people who can't afford it. I used it for years without paying when I didn't have the money to do so. It has never been a better time in history for people who want to record their music without spending much money.
Best video I've seen all year!
Very nice of you to say, thank you!
@@DOSStorm you’re welcome.
I think you have done really well with your metal track.
Thanks friend!
This card works with Windows NT 3.51 from 1995. I installed NT 3.51 on my Ryzen 9 3900X and I needed a sound card and this is how I found out it works. (using NT4 drivers) This card has also 64bit drivers for Windows 10/11... I don't think there is another sound card as compatible as this.
The Sound Blaster Live is actually pretty amazing for this as well. It works on Windows 95 and with the KX Drivers it will run on Windows 11 no problem.
A side of Metal to go along with this Retro order?
Hell yeah!!! 🤘😆
Yep, thats me! Metal and vintage PCs! XD
The timing of you releasing this video is just beyond crazy. Just this week I revived a computer and Layla3g, both from 2004. Reason being, the Layla3g has 8 outputs, and my Scarlet 4i4 only has 4. I wanted to try my hand at 5.1 surround sound mixing, which requires at least 5 outputs. Only problem with it is the fact that it uses a PCI card, and a cable to the breakout box. Modern computers don't have the old PCI slot, hence the old computer. I was able to get the audio interface working, but my DAW wouldn't install because it was only a 32 bit system. Then I figured out a totally different solution all together and ditched that.
But yeah, I was recording using my computer back in 1998. Been doing it ever since.
you can more than likely get a PCI-E x1 to PCI universal vertical for use with any case with vertical GPU slots right against the side of the case. Those will suffocate and overheat your GPU, anyway. Likewise, you can simply keep the soundcard outside your tower. In all Irony, I found a review for one of these adapters on Amazon that said something similar, about wanting to record 5.1 audio.
@@needsLITHIUM I was trying to keep my original comment to a minimum 🙂 I found a PCI to PCIe adapter on Amazon that worked GREAT!!! I was kind of blown away. And for the brief two day period I was trying this out, I had the PCI card outside the case. I could have kept it in place, but I just don't need two audio interfaces connected to my computer.
The way I figured out how to actually mix in 5.1 is via HDMI to my home stereo receiver. It's already run there so I can play games on my big TV with surround sound. I figured out Cakewalk can address each channel in the receiver (there are 9) and set up surround. Since I'll be doing the stereo mix on my studio monitors, I'll just use the home theater to mix in 5.1.
the m-audio delta series was (and obviously still is) amazing!
Loved the execution of this video. Perfect format and flow. Giving me ideas for my Retro DAW videos myself. Keep it up!
Thanks I'm glad you liked it! I'm hoping to do more videos with older DAWs and stuff at some point.
Your attire is a perfect companion for this video. I too, have this shirt and indeed quite enjoy Nightwish. 🎉
I've always liked Nightwish. I'm glad I was able to catch them on the decades tour before Marko left.
This is awesome. Super cool to see modern software play nice with older hardware, as well as seeing how older hardware stacks up to what you can get today. Probably wouldn't have bought my Audient ID14 if i could have had something like this work on Win11.
I don't know if you'd be interested, but it'd be cool to see what era-appropriate DAWs and plugins can do compared to the newest version of Reaper and the new (relative to the hardware) plugins showcased here.
That is a great idea. I definitely have a few ideas if I could get everything working. I have used SAW in the past which is a multitrack DAW that runs on Windows 3.1. Finding some of the old stuff can be a bit difficult since companies like Steinburg have some odd DRM, and old plugins are hard to find archives of.
That kind of music would sound fine even if you recorded it to cassette using a TASCAM PortaStudio.
I've always low-key wanted one of those, but they have become expensive in recent years. The availability of realistic drum plugins has made this type of music easier to record without multiple musicians in recent years. Regardless, I will say the sound quality on this is pretty good, and if you miced acoustic instruments or had a vocalist it would sound fine. I almost made an acoustic guitar demo but I ran out of time.
I still have my old M-Audio Audiophile 2496. I remember using it to record via a Behringer Xenyx 802 Mixer using Ardour on Ubuntu Studio Linux, lol, as well as via REAPER in Windows 7. I kinda wanna get an adapter and riser to use it in modern Linux with Reaper. I know the chipset is still supported there.
I had a 1010, they were pretty amazing. I recorded plenty on 2000 and XP. Cubase SX was the shit back then.
That sounds fantastic. Welp I'm suddenly in the mood to play Quake!
I have this exact interface, and just pulled it out of storage earlier today to try and get something exactly like this going. Weird.
Good stuff.
Thanks man!
I was pretty early on the recording on computer bandwagon - I remember buying Cubase VST 3.5 in the late 90's and using that. Most of the tracks were MIDI (through my trusty Korg X5) but the ability to record audio as well as fantastic.
That is neat! I was very young at the time and obviously never messed with any of that professional stuff. I didn't get into recording until the early 2000s.
Cool song and I love your blue Jackosn
Thanks I just got it last month. I'm still trying to adjust to playing a 7-string over a regular 6.
It's a while since I've had a go on one, but I remember being frustrated that normal barre chord shapes didn't work on a 7. I remember seeing a Ben Eller video some time ago about a specific tuning he uses on his 7s to compensate.
This is amazing. I don't know much about retro hardware but I'd watch just for the comedy lol
haha Thanks!
I said it for ages, There is no need to upgrade your interface as long as it's reliable and covers your needs.
Yep, the recording hardware hasn't changed much. Virtual amp sims and plugins have improved greatly in the past 10 years though!
This is prime RUclips content my friend
Thanks!
If you can get a system with relatively modern 64-bit CPU and a PCI slot - there are plenty of AMD boards from the early 2010's from BioStar, MSI, and AsRock that still had PCI slots that you could run a Phenom II x6 or some sort of Piledriver architechture FX-6x00 or FX-8x00 chip with DDR3 on. Many of the prebuilt versions of these older systems, people are trying to get rid of - throwing Linux on it, or even Windows 7, might work better.
your version is different from the one I spotted on the internet . the pci card is blue and the box has less inputs than yours , but the seller advertised M audio delta 66 PCI
Niceeee! 👍 🤟
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These days there are a gazillion retro computer channels around, but very few do innovative content like yours. It's always a pleasure watching your videos and it saddens me that your channel is still so unappreciated. I really hope the almighty RUclips algorithm blesses your channel soon! Always looking forward for your next video.
Thanks! I'm glad you enjoy the videos, I have fun making them and will continue to do so even if the algorithm doesn't bless them. Looking at my analytics, I don't think RUclips always knows what to do with my content. lol
Kinda mad that Reaper still runs on old Windows versions.
haha why is that?
@@DOSStorm haha well perhaps it was an over-exaggeration on my part. But I was definitely surprised. I suppose it's because hardware these days is so much more powerful and 20 years ago you'd think that all modern software would be too demanding. Then again, a friend of mine has just bought an old MacMini just so he can run Reaper alongside OSX 9 era software.
@@binface9 The cool thing about Reaper is it is VERY light and it is only a 15MB download. The downside is you don't get very many included plugins like you do with other DAWs, but the simplicity of it is probably the reason it still works on old stuff.
i expected some beeps and boops but not THIS
well if pc is newest then it run win2000 blazing FAST! and there no ADS!
Heck yeah, old Win NT stuff was so clean and well optimized. I personally like 2000 over XP even simply because it doesn't have online activation.
Not much of a challenge imo. Digital mastering has existed since the 70s. For consumers this became feasible in the mid 90s in terms of CD quality, so you should have rather targeted the Windows 3 or DOS era if you wanted to show something that would impress those that were around at that time.
Very true, this is still an extremely usable way to record! I was sharing this mainly to show how so much modern software still works under Windows 2000 and how decent old cheap interfaces can be. It's also surprising how many people think you need an extremely powerful modern machine to produce music. I do have a few ideas on how to get a full song recorded with Windows 3.1/95 and RML SAWClassic but we will see in the future. On my other channel I did do some silly recording experiments with a Sound Blaster 16 and I used an OPL3 chip for drums.
@@DOSStorm Thank you for your answer. I appreciate the personal reply. I can imagine that younger people really can't imagine what was possible back then, so your video does well to showcase that.
Gotta check out your other channel then. Keep it up :)