@@egregor369yuppp I’m here cuz so intrigued with the references in history of man and also Taylor’s new song Cassandra which supposedly links into Trojan war too
How come no one blames the gods? I would put this all on Aphrodite not Helen. Or maybe Paris for wishing to force someone to love him. Helen had zero choice the gods stayed mnipulating her for sport
Because saying that everything is the fault of the Gods is like saying that a vase fell because gravity pulled it down rather than because someone knocked it over. Just because there are cosmic forces at play that doesn't mean our personal choices don't matter
@@WildMen4444 there's a difference between when a cosmic force is literally a law of physics versus a sentient being imposing their will. Gravity is a force that pulls everything toward it. The greek gods are actual people who happen to have supernatural power
@@rishabhanand4973 That is actually a giant misconception. The Greek Gods are not just people with super powers. The Ancient Greek religion was animistic in nature as well as Polytheistic (these tend to go hand in hand). The Gods can be found in Their domains. Some of Them like the Protogenoi are essentially one to one identified with Their domains such as the Earth and Sky. One of biggest reasons people don't understand Greek mythology is because they don't understand Greek religion
@@smiththeinspiringanimator7042 You dont ever invite chaos to a good celebration, nor can you ask her to leave. She is a force of nature that not even Zeus could control .
That's what I thought. The gods' reasoning was that it's never a good idea to have chaos or strife present at a wedding. But their logic was wrong in this case, as it caused far more harm than good. It was the gods' wrong decision that started planting the seeds of the war, then Eris who watered it.
Helen wasn’t even a woman she was like 12 years old when she was taken. ( some versions even claim she was as young as 7 years old --- yikes) I really dislike it when people place so much blame on Helen for being the cause of the war without looking at the context. It was Eris or whatever her name was that manipulated the events with the bet (being a literally goddess of chaos and discord), Aphrodite who ignited the match by offering the most “beautiful” woman ( again a literal child) and then having her son make Helen fall in love ( depending on the version), and everyone else just feeding the flames.
Also Zeus's (with Themis and Gaia's) fault because they literally made the Trojan War grand scheme to happen for genocide of humans and demigods on earth. Everyone else, starting with Leda (and/or Nemesis in some versions) are just unfortunate "pawns" for their orchestrated domino effect.
@@DaughterofRevengeYou realize that this means nothing. In all mythologies humans are nothing more than pawns for the gods. Enlil, in Mesopotamian mythology floods the whole world because they humans are getting too crowded and too noisy
@@homelesskiller do you honestly believe that a literal child is to blame for everything that went down? I see that you even acknowledge that the gods use humans as pawns so what makes this situation any different? My argument is that Helen should not be blamed for EVERYTHING. I’m not saying she’s completely innocent.
Paris started the Trojan war. Helen was already happily married to Menelaus when he picked her, not to mention Aphrodite said she’d give Helen to Paris and made Helen fall in love with her. Helen of Troy did not actually cause the Trojan war.
@@DaughterofRevengeNeither Zeus , or Gaia are above the Fates. The Trojan was happened cause of that , Zeus in many occasions tried to spare the Trojans but it was beyond his influence.
How sad for Helen. Who she was didn’t matter, what she was did. What she brought them by owning her was everyone’s goal, only one seems to have loved who she was.
In some versions of the mythos, she is the daughter of Zeus and Nemesis, the goddess of retribution. And perhaps, Helen can be regarded as the youngest daughter of Zeus, by far.
@@alexanderknowles9057Welp, that version makes the exception to the rule, I guess, along with the case of Zeus and Semele (probably because Semele is also a mortal but she sired the god Dionysus) Perhaps in addition, this was used to explain why Troy must fall, for Zeus schemed the genocide with Themis to depopulate Gaia. Also another counterargument/counterexample: Orpheus is also a mortal sired by two deities Apollo and Calliope, so...
@@DaughterofRevenge In greek mythology, Orpheus is the son of Calliope and Oeagrus, king of Thrace. Born to a divine mother and mortal father. The Roman poet Ovid wrote Apollo was his father. Semele was not a goddess, but a demigoddess. She was born to Cadmus, king of Thebes and Harmonia, goddess of harmony. Dionysus did not inherit immortal status, he achieved immortality after being on a quest (the epic poem Dionysiaca). He ascended to Mt Olympus and became a god along with his mother, aunts and wife because he earned that through struggling.
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I like that you showed this from Helen's point of view. I also like you depict her wearing hair ornaments that simulate a swan's feathers. Nice nod to her heritage. She was one of only two daughters sired by Zeus.
Am pretty sure Helen is not the only daughter sired by Zeus by both mortal and immortal women. Athena? Artemis? Persephone? The Muses? (To enumerate a few)
@@DaughterofRevenge You are right. Thanks for pointing that out. I should have said Helen was one of only two human daughters sired by Zeus mating with a mortal woman.
@@deirdregibbons5609 There are many others as well, like Damocrateia (who is Patroclus's mother and daughter of Zeus and Aegina), Keroessa (daughter of Zeus and Io), and Herophile (daughter of Zeus and Lamia), for example. Not to mention that in some versions, Helen is the daughter of Zeus and the goddess Nemesis.
Helen is one of mythic history's most UN-known personalities. In Greek writing that already dismisses women, she's treated as little more than a face, and it's very clear it's only the face anyone in the epic cares about. This video falls into the usual trap, describing her openly as a naive simpleton while ignoring that she saw through the disguise of the cleverest Greek and later circled the Trojan horse imitating the Greek's wives so perfectly they nearly blew their cover. When she offered herself to Menelaus's sword, we don't know if she was submitting to fate, using her beauty as a manipulation, or actually hoping he would strike her down.
It's basically over simplistic in some respects and biased for her by exonerating and absolving her of any blame she could have been culpable of. It claims she was a complete pawn of the gods, completely controlled by bad magic. The end presents her as a seducer of Menelaus, making use of his feelings and attraction to her to save her own neck.
Helen was worshipped all over Greece, and was a High Priestess of Aphrodite. She was forced into a "marriage" by the new Achaean rulers of Greece, who had actually planned and prepared for the invasion of Troy for quite some time beforehand. The real reason for the war wasn't "the woman", but rather the desire to dominate the trade routes leading from the Black Sea region to the Mediterranean. The Dardanelles strait (named after Dardanus, the founder of Troy) was and is still vitally important strategically. Just ask Churchill! Don't swallow false history made up by a bunch of war gods to cover up their real agenda and demonize women on the side. BTW Paris was actually the ruler of the Troas, a vast region bordered by Anatolia and the Levant...not just one city. He took care of Achilles while Ajax was out rustling sheep to feed the Greeks after ten years of guerilla warfare.
@@SeeUinHistory I mean don't get me wrong it's not really her fault that she was forced into being in love with Percy I mean Cupid and Aphrodite have a history of making people fall in love for centuries and also that evening includes Zeus's many infidelities.
@@SeeUinHistory And heck they were even responsible for Persephone's abduction from Hades in fact I would actually take a step forward that Hades was actually a victim in this situation too sure he may have Kidnap his future wife, but you have to remember Cupid was actually the one who shot Hades heart and that's what led him to wanting to kidnap Persephone I'm pretty sure if Cupid didn't shot Hades in the heart maybe this interaction and their love story would have had a different outcome.
@@SeeUinHistoryhow is that a question? She wasn’t given a choice. Aphrodite took away her free will and forced her to fall in love with Paris. The whole prophecy about the fall of Troy was revealed when the Queen was pregnant with Paris. Helen was blameless and was just a victim in her own right.
Great video on *Helen of Troy!* I've always been _fascinated_ by her story and this video does a great job of summarizing the key events. I also enjoyed learning about the myth of the *_Trojan Horse_* . Thanks for sharing!
Not to overlook men blaming Women for stuff but...Ok, are we doing Mythology or History here? "Troy or Ilion was an ancient city located in present-day Hisarlık, Turkey. The place was first settled around 3600 BC...Helen of Troy, daughter of Zeus and Leda, is described as the most beautiful woman in the world....
@@birnenaugustbirnenaugust321 I see your point, but would it possible to cause a war without Helen involvement? If possible of a war, would any of the heros will be involve?
@@DaughterofRevenge then how would agamemnon have convinced the other greek cities to assist him in the war against troy? Just the prospect of glory and treasure?
It’s more if Paris and Aphrodite didn’t have Helen kidnapped by Paris and taken to Troy then Troy would have been around. There was a prophecy that Paris’s birth would bring the downfall of Troy and that’s why he was ordered to be killed when he was born but they took him in as a prince when he was an adult. He was left to die by exposure as a baby and taken in by a Shepard. Troy’s fall was the fault of Aphrodite and Paris
Helen of Troy, one of the most famous figures in Greek mythology, was said to have died in various ways. The most common account in Greek mythology is that she was granted immortality by the gods and lived on the island of Leuke (Leuce) in the Black Sea.
Different versions say different things, some say she was taken up to Mount Olympus and left the mortal world. Others said she was hanged by Polyxo, a female survivor of the Trojan war and a group of women or she may even have been executed by the Greeks after the Trojan war. There isn't really an original version.
The trojan war is the fault of Zeus. If Paris of troy had not been asked to choose b/w the three godesses, he wouldnt choose aphrodite and then aphrodite wouldnt lead him to helen and then paris wouldnt abduct helen and then there would be no trojan war.
the irony was if he really wanted helen that much, he could have taken athena's offer instead, he would have had the ability to take over sparta and basically receive helen as one of the spoils.
If Eros didn't hit her with the Arrow of Love, she would have never went with Paris. In other adaptations, she was taken against her will and had never loved Paris. She wanted to go back to Sparta.
That's what I thought, he likely loved possessing her, was very shallow, lustful and was practically reclaiming an unfaithful trophy wife like losing taken property. He wasn't likeable, or a true hero or honorable person either not only Paris and neither was Agamemnon.
Yeah Helena was either forced to fall in love with Paris by Aphrodite or in some versions was forcefully taken away by Paris and didn’t actually love him.
What are you talking about? In the myths she was either forcefully abducted by Paris and did want to return to her rightful husband but couldn’t or was forced by Aphrodite and Eros to fall in love with Paris and pretty much lost her free will. Either way she didn’t willfully choose Paris and wasn’t able to escape Troy and return to her husband while the war was going on. In the myths it’s the fault of Paris, Aphrodite, and Zeus in reality it was actually planned and orchestrated by the powerful Greek leaders and was going to happen any way because they wanted to trade routes Troy and and they wanted to conquer Troy.
I'm actually disappointed that the only version ever mentioned about Helen of Troy's fate is from the Iliad and the Odyssey. I was hoping that the channel will at least mention at the end of the video that there are contradictions as to her ultimate fate. Though most versions said that she basically got off scott free and lived with Menelaus undisturbed in Sparta, albeit having a somewhat stained or mostly unstrained marriage, other versions said that she only lived with Menelaus again for a while as he died and was perhaps taken up to Mount Olympus and left the mortal world. Others said she was hanged by Polyxo, a female survivor of the Trojan war and a group of women or she may even have been executed by the Greeks after the Trojan war. Why is Homer's version always presented as being the canonical, /official/original ending version or the gospel truth? She also reminds me of Psyche due to their appearances, the ways that they were seen and viewed by others, and both were princesses. Only Psyche was fully human, treated less poorly by the other people and gods in her myth, a lot more sympathetic, likeable, her life was far less complicated, and she was loved by and married Cupid, the god of love. She also had a better and less ambiguous fate than Helen.
Helen was kidnapped by Theseus when she was very young and with the Trojan war it wasn’t her fault. Aphrodite took away her free will and forced her to fall in love with Paris. She was Paris’s prize for giving Aphrodite the golden apple. Helen in the end was a victim and then suffered from victim blaming.
Yes, she was kidnapped by Theseus and essentially Helen was Paris’ prize from Aphrodite for choosing her and Helen was victim blamed in most accounts. In this version, Helen was more of a victim but not in all accounts or versions of the myth. So, are you if the opinion that Helen didn’t fall for Paris of her own volition? Do you believe that she was the most beautiful woman in the world, why or why not?
@@ange-bw3kl she’s usually depicted as either being taken against her consent by Paris and abducted where she doesn’t love him or she is forced by Aphrodite and Eros to fall in love with Paris and that’s why she goes with him. Sure it seems like she goes with him willingly but she’s again under the influence and Aphrodite and Eros. She had picked Menelaus as who she wanted to marry and married him and this is apart of a longer tale that Odysseus and Helen’s father came up with to solve the problem of all the suitors trying to marry Helen and causing problems. Helen was known to be the most beautiful woman in the world. She was promised to Paris by Aphrodite because she was the most beautiful mortal in the world. Helen is just given such a horrible situation in the myths. She’s kidnapped twice, blamed for a war she did not cause, is just a tool, and constantly objectified. Sappho depicted her as deserting her family, Herodotus depicted it as an abduction, Cyperia has Aphrodite be the one who makes Helen fall for Paris after he gave her gifts. In the end Helen had not choice as she was given to Paris by Aphrodite. Still she is constantly blamed despite not truly have a say in the matter.
I'm thankful that in at least one version of the story, Helen doesn't get a happy ending. Upon returning to Sparta, a Spartan widow blames Helen for (in)directly causing the war and for all the needless deaths on both ends including the death of her husband. This woman takes it upon herself to be a stand-in for all the women left without husbands caused by Helen's actions and proceeds to hang her from a tree. I prefer this outcome as Helen needed her comeuppance as she willingly chose to leave with Paris.
Did she went with Paris on her own will? Or is she under the influence of a love spell from Aphrodite? Did she even went to Troy at all? Or more like... is she just a mere pawn by her father, Zeus, to wipe out the humans and demigods on earth through the Trojan War? (The whole point is there is no clear consensus yet on whether Helen is with Paris by her own will or just kidnapping and the latter's violation of hospitality)
@@DaughterofRevenge Yeah, this! Although Helen found Paris to be handsome, she didn't fall in love until Eros shot her with an arrow at the request of Aphrodite. In a sense, she was coerced into doing it.
@@DaughterofRevenge Helen wasn't coerced. Aphrodite is the Goddess of Love. She is a Goddess who is found within love itself. Love isn't some power She has but rather it is something that She is found in. Helen's feelings were genuine. She chose to go with Paris out of love.
@@WildMen4444The Book 3 of the Iliad says otherwise. Aphrodite literally resorted to threats when Helen resisted to do her bidding which is to sleep with Paris. She had despised him and wants to go back to her homeland i.e. Sparta.
and in the aftermath, Helen reconciled with Melaneus and returned to Sparta with him they had a daughter, Hermione, who was as fair as Aphrodite, and Hermione was wed to the son of Achilles Telamachus witnessed this wedding when he came to Sparta to ask for information about his lost father Odysseus, Helen even gave him a rug she had weaved to use at his future wedding
“the men start wars yet Troy hates Helen”
When you fall, do you look at your wound first or you turn back to look at what made you fall?
@@Nanakaririka so u mean Aphrodite???
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@@egregor369yuppp I’m here cuz so intrigued with the references in history of man and also Taylor’s new song Cassandra which supposedly links into Trojan war too
Omg I came here because of that song.
Can you please do a video about the greek god Harmonia
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How come no one blames the gods? I would put this all on Aphrodite not Helen. Or maybe Paris for wishing to force someone to love him. Helen had zero choice the gods stayed mnipulating her for sport
You're leaving out the mastermind of the genocidal Trojan War himself and Helen's father, Zeus.
Because saying that everything is the fault of the Gods is like saying that a vase fell because gravity pulled it down rather than because someone knocked it over. Just because there are cosmic forces at play that doesn't mean our personal choices don't matter
Because they are gods they can do with the world whatever they please. They even killed the entire human race once
@@WildMen4444 there's a difference between when a cosmic force is literally a law of physics versus a sentient being imposing their will. Gravity is a force that pulls everything toward it. The greek gods are actual people who happen to have supernatural power
@@rishabhanand4973 That is actually a giant misconception. The Greek Gods are not just people with super powers. The Ancient Greek religion was animistic in nature as well as Polytheistic (these tend to go hand in hand). The Gods can be found in Their domains. Some of Them like the Protogenoi are essentially one to one identified with Their domains such as the Earth and Sky. One of biggest reasons people don't understand Greek mythology is because they don't understand Greek religion
The Trojan War would’ve been avoided if the gods just invited Eris, the Goddess of Chaos to the wedding.
Yeah,Agreed,It also kind of makes me question why they didn't invite her to the wedding I mean yes chaos can be bad but sometimes it can also be good.
And is it just me or am I getting Sleeping Beauty from this story?
@@smiththeinspiringanimator7042 You dont ever invite chaos to a good celebration, nor can you ask her to leave. She is a force of nature that not even Zeus could control .
That's what I thought. The gods' reasoning was that it's never a good idea to have chaos or strife present at a wedding. But their logic was wrong in this case, as it caused far more harm than good. It was the gods' wrong decision that started planting the seeds of the war, then Eris who watered it.
A cautionary tale against the evils of simping.
Very true.
Helen wasn’t even a woman she was like 12 years old when she was taken. ( some versions even claim she was as young as 7 years old --- yikes) I really dislike it when people place so much blame on Helen for being the cause of the war without looking at the context. It was Eris or whatever her name was that manipulated the events with the bet (being a literally goddess of chaos and discord), Aphrodite who ignited the match by offering the most “beautiful” woman ( again a literal child) and then having her son make Helen fall in love ( depending on the version), and everyone else just feeding the flames.
Also Zeus's (with Themis and Gaia's) fault because they literally made the Trojan War grand scheme to happen for genocide of humans and demigods on earth. Everyone else, starting with Leda (and/or Nemesis in some versions) are just unfortunate "pawns" for their orchestrated domino effect.
@@DaughterofRevengeYou realize that this means nothing. In all mythologies humans are nothing more than pawns for the gods. Enlil, in Mesopotamian mythology floods the whole world because they humans are getting too crowded and too noisy
Just because someone is twelve years old doesn’t mean they’re innocent and being manipulated. This is literally a childish view of the world.
@@homelesskiller do you honestly believe that a literal child is to blame for everything that went down? I see that you even acknowledge that the gods use humans as pawns so what makes this situation any different? My argument is that Helen should not be blamed for EVERYTHING. I’m not saying she’s completely innocent.
@@homelesskillerImagine being this smoothbrained you'd blame a 7-12 year old for causing a massive war
Moral of the story: if ur pretty enough you can do no wrong and be forgiven at every turn
We get it your a victim it’s ok lol
Wrong!!!
Don't be a simp
That's not right. I find Helen a fickle minded tragic character.
@@k.saigaurav964Helen is innocent
Paris started the Trojan war. Helen was already happily married to Menelaus when he picked her, not to mention Aphrodite said she’d give Helen to Paris and made Helen fall in love with her. Helen of Troy did not actually cause the Trojan war.
Helen's father Zeus is the true cause of the Trojan War. He planned it with Themis in the first place for they wanted to depopulate the earth.
Ah yes, The girl whose worth fighting for
That would be her cousin, Penelope
@@ecurewitz Penelope: *after seeing Odysseus for fricking 10 years* 🎵Where have you been all my l-l-l-life!🎵
@@TheAnimalKingdom-tq3sz 20 years
I say the Trojan War is more Aphrodite’s fault than Helen’s
Zeus's fault too. He's the true mastermind of the war along with Gaia and Themis because there were too many humans and demigods on earth.
@@DaughterofRevengeNeither Zeus , or Gaia are above the Fates. The Trojan was happened cause of that , Zeus in many occasions tried to spare the Trojans but it was beyond his influence.
Agreed.
“The men start wars yet Troy hates Helen”
And Paris’s
so basically it's Zeus's and Aphrodite's fault not Helens
Include Themis and Gaia too.
It was no one’s fault. Homer makes it clear that everything that was happening was the will of Zeus.
How sad for Helen. Who she was didn’t matter, what she was did. What she brought them by owning her was everyone’s goal, only one seems to have loved who she was.
In some versions of the mythos, she is the daughter of Zeus and Nemesis, the goddess of retribution.
And perhaps, Helen can be regarded as the youngest daughter of Zeus, by far.
That version of Helen's birth would make no sense though. Two gods would produce a god or goddess not a mortal child.
@@alexanderknowles9057Welp, that version makes the exception to the rule, I guess, along with the case of Zeus and Semele (probably because Semele is also a mortal but she sired the god Dionysus)
Perhaps in addition, this was used to explain why Troy must fall, for Zeus schemed the genocide with Themis to depopulate Gaia.
Also another counterargument/counterexample: Orpheus is also a mortal sired by two deities Apollo and Calliope, so...
@@DaughterofRevenge In greek mythology, Orpheus is the son of Calliope and Oeagrus, king of Thrace. Born to a divine mother and mortal father. The Roman poet Ovid wrote Apollo was his father.
Semele was not a goddess, but a demigoddess. She was born to Cadmus, king of Thebes and Harmonia, goddess of harmony. Dionysus did not inherit immortal status, he achieved immortality after being on a quest (the epic poem Dionysiaca). He ascended to Mt Olympus and became a god along with his mother, aunts and wife because he earned that through struggling.
Simping on a Historic level.
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I like that you showed this from Helen's point of view. I also like you depict her wearing hair ornaments that simulate a swan's feathers. Nice nod to her heritage. She was one of only two daughters sired by Zeus.
Am pretty sure Helen is not the only daughter sired by Zeus by both mortal and immortal women. Athena? Artemis? Persephone? The Muses? (To enumerate a few)
@@DaughterofRevenge You are right. Thanks for pointing that out. I should have said Helen was one of only two human daughters sired by Zeus mating with a mortal woman.
@@deirdregibbons5609 There are many others as well, like Damocrateia (who is Patroclus's mother and daughter of Zeus and Aegina), Keroessa (daughter of Zeus and Io), and Herophile (daughter of Zeus and Lamia), for example.
Not to mention that in some versions, Helen is the daughter of Zeus and the goddess Nemesis.
@@DaughterofRevenge Thanks, I appreciated learning something new.
It's still biased, if it's from her point of view, of course it'll present her as guiltless of everything that happened.
Helen is one of mythic history's most UN-known personalities. In Greek writing that already dismisses women, she's treated as little more than a face, and it's very clear it's only the face anyone in the epic cares about.
This video falls into the usual trap, describing her openly as a naive simpleton while ignoring that she saw through the disguise of the cleverest Greek and later circled the Trojan horse imitating the Greek's wives so perfectly they nearly blew their cover.
When she offered herself to Menelaus's sword, we don't know if she was submitting to fate, using her beauty as a manipulation, or actually hoping he would strike her down.
It's basically over simplistic in some respects and biased for her by exonerating and absolving her of any blame she could have been culpable of. It claims she was a complete pawn of the gods, completely controlled by bad magic. The end presents her as a seducer of Menelaus, making use of his feelings and attraction to her to save her own neck.
I always wondered why it was Helen’s fault that king knucklehead decided to launch a war over her 🤔
@user-pq4fc1mc7q still not her fault
Ares could've protected Helen if she was from Sparta .
Ares above all else desires war and bloodbaths.
Stopping Helen from getting kidnapped would interfere with His girlfriend's plan. Not a good idea
Helen was worshipped all over Greece, and was a High Priestess of Aphrodite. She was forced into a "marriage" by the new Achaean rulers of Greece, who had actually planned and prepared for the invasion of Troy for quite some time beforehand. The real reason for the war wasn't "the woman", but rather the desire to dominate the trade routes leading from the Black Sea region to the Mediterranean. The Dardanelles strait (named after Dardanus, the founder of Troy) was and is still vitally important strategically. Just ask Churchill!
Don't swallow false history made up by a bunch of war gods to cover up their real agenda and demonize women on the side. BTW Paris was actually the ruler of the Troas, a vast region bordered by Anatolia and the Levant...not just one city. He took care of Achilles while Ajax was out rustling sheep to feed the Greeks after ten years of guerilla warfare.
Look at all the myths they love to demonize women
The face that launched a thousand ships.
Yikes, a goose grape. Zeus's grapist mentality knows no bounds. 😬
Is Helen really to blame for the Trojan War?
That's a great question
@@SeeUinHistory I mean don't get me wrong it's not really her fault that she was forced into being in love with Percy I mean Cupid and Aphrodite have a history of making people fall in love for centuries and also that evening includes Zeus's many infidelities.
@@SeeUinHistory And heck they were even responsible for Persephone's abduction from Hades in fact I would actually take a step forward that Hades was actually a victim in this situation too sure he may have Kidnap his future wife, but you have to remember Cupid was actually the one who shot Hades heart and that's what led him to wanting to kidnap Persephone I'm pretty sure if Cupid didn't shot Hades in the heart maybe this interaction and their love story would have had a different outcome.
@@SeeUinHistoryhow is that a question? She wasn’t given a choice. Aphrodite took away her free will and forced her to fall in love with Paris. The whole prophecy about the fall of Troy was revealed when the Queen was pregnant with Paris. Helen was blameless and was just a victim in her own right.
Average Greek Mythology Woman :
It was the average Greek mythology man kidnapping the average Greek mythology woman which was the case for reality at the time
Hail to the Divine Helen of Troy!
Heil Helena! 🙏
Men start wars yet Troy hates Helen.
The men were definitely also to blame.
Diane Kruger as Helen in the movie of Troy, she was very beautiful woman of 2000's😇🌷💖
Crush at first site. Indeed truly beautiful.
bro how did she get pregnant with eggs
Moral: Do Not ship, otherwise you will start a war just ask the city of Troy
Or don’t kidnap a married woman
Great video on *Helen of Troy!* I've always been _fascinated_ by her story and this video does a great job of summarizing the key events. I also enjoyed learning about the myth of the *_Trojan Horse_* . Thanks for sharing!
Not to overlook men blaming Women for stuff but...Ok, are we doing Mythology or History here? "Troy or Ilion was an ancient city located in present-day Hisarlık, Turkey. The place was first settled around 3600 BC...Helen of Troy, daughter of Zeus and Leda, is described as the most beautiful woman in the world....
If we are going to go into logistics technically it was Eris since she wasn’t invited to a party
And Zeus & Themis planned it all, even Helen's conception, before Eris even threw the apple of discord.
Helen is a man magnet 🧲
Though she doesn't attract the right guys.
Troy going down. This is Sparta!!!
Simple, if the story went differently by Helen did not go to Troy, then Troy may be safe.
Absolutly no. Helen sounds romantic but the truth is King Agamemnon wanted Trojs status.
@@birnenaugustbirnenaugust321 I see your point, but would it possible to cause a war without Helen involvement? If possible of a war, would any of the heros will be involve?
@@gamereditor59ner22 Check out Euripides's play Helen where she never went to Troy at all.
@@DaughterofRevenge then how would agamemnon have convinced the other greek cities to assist him in the war against troy? Just the prospect of glory and treasure?
It’s more if Paris and Aphrodite didn’t have Helen kidnapped by Paris and taken to Troy then Troy would have been around. There was a prophecy that Paris’s birth would bring the downfall of Troy and that’s why he was ordered to be killed when he was born but they took him in as a prince when he was an adult. He was left to die by exposure as a baby and taken in by a Shepard. Troy’s fall was the fault of Aphrodite and Paris
But what happened to her in the end? How did she die? Was it? Did she die peacefully or did she suffer a misfortune?
Helen of Troy, one of the most famous figures in Greek mythology, was said to have died in various ways. The most common account in Greek mythology is that she was granted immortality by the gods and lived on the island of Leuke (Leuce) in the Black Sea.
Different versions say different things, some say she was taken up to Mount Olympus and left the mortal world. Others said she was hanged by Polyxo, a female survivor of the Trojan war and a group of women or she may even have been executed by the Greeks after the Trojan war. There isn't really an original version.
The face who launched a thousand Greek ships.
And inadvertantly caused a war that claimed millions.
英雄难过美人关(even the strongest hero can be overcome with beauty) , this is how we describe Helen
Is there any woman attracted to Helen?
Helen of SPARTA. She did not start the war. It was Eris’s fault for throwing the apple
Helen didn’t cause the Trojan war, Aphrodite did.
Helen's father Zeus did. He planned the war with Themis in the first place. All to depopulate the earth.
And Paris
Hmm
This all could have been avoided if they just invite Eris
Or Paris not choosing Aphrodite
@@terra4822or Aphrodite not using Helen as a tool and taking away her free will along with not offering and then gifting a married woman to Paris
The trojan war is the fault of Zeus. If Paris of troy had not been asked to choose b/w the three godesses, he wouldnt choose aphrodite and then aphrodite wouldnt lead him to helen and then paris wouldnt abduct helen and then there would be no trojan war.
Not to mention he planned the war to happen as well.
Thanks for the video
It’s basically Paris fault for choosing Aphrodite and also he chooses a women that was married
No. It’s no one’s fault. Homer makes it clear in the Iliad that the events are nobody’s fault just the will of Zeus playing itself out
Well it’s also Zeus fault for picking paris
@@homelesskiller yes it is Zeus it happen because of him
the irony was if he really wanted helen that much, he could have taken athena's offer instead, he would have had the ability to take over sparta and basically receive helen as one of the spoils.
Beautiful women are nothing but trouble.
When's the video about Perun coming out?
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Uh no pls I’m very scared. Yuri likes this sort of thing thanks. She wants to be an actress so it works out perfectly
It's not a kidnapping if she goes willingly.
If Eros didn't hit her with the Arrow of Love, she would have never went with Paris.
In other adaptations, she was taken against her will and had never loved Paris. She wanted to go back to Sparta.
She didn’t go willingly though Aphrodite and Eros made her fall in love against her will.
Did Menelaus love Helen, or did he love possessing her?
You could ask that question about Paris.
At that time women were just seen as possessions it was a messed up time back then
That's what I thought, he likely loved possessing her, was very shallow, lustful and was practically reclaiming an unfaithful trophy wife like losing taken property. He wasn't likeable, or a true hero or honorable person either not only Paris and neither was Agamemnon.
Helena wasnt at fault she Was happy with Meliodas until an idiot chose Aphrodite in a contestar for the fairest goddess
Yeah Helena was either forced to fall in love with Paris by Aphrodite or in some versions was forcefully taken away by Paris and didn’t actually love him.
If you're pretty enough you can get away with anything
This war irks me. All over cootie cat all she had to do was go back. So many lives would've been saved
What are you talking about? In the myths she was either forcefully abducted by Paris and did want to return to her rightful husband but couldn’t or was forced by Aphrodite and Eros to fall in love with Paris and pretty much lost her free will. Either way she didn’t willfully choose Paris and wasn’t able to escape Troy and return to her husband while the war was going on.
In the myths it’s the fault of Paris, Aphrodite, and Zeus in reality it was actually planned and orchestrated by the powerful Greek leaders and was going to happen any way because they wanted to trade routes Troy and and they wanted to conquer Troy.
Exactement
I've never heard a version where she's kin to Castor and Pollux before.
It's true
Zeus: They put a moral in charge of the beauty contest? What kind of idiotic god thought of that idea?
Me: …. I’m looking at him.
Me (looking at Zeus): Says the one who planned this to depopulate the earth.
YO
Zeus is a real Dog
Well swan this time.
I'm actually disappointed that the only version ever mentioned about Helen of Troy's fate is from the Iliad and the Odyssey. I was hoping that the channel will at least mention at the end of the video that there are contradictions as to her ultimate fate. Though most versions said that she basically got off scott free and lived with Menelaus undisturbed in Sparta, albeit having a somewhat stained or mostly unstrained marriage, other versions said that she only lived with Menelaus again for a while as he died and was perhaps taken up to Mount Olympus and left the mortal world. Others said she was hanged by Polyxo, a female survivor of the Trojan war and a group of women or she may even have been executed by the Greeks after the Trojan war. Why is Homer's version always presented as being the canonical, /official/original ending version or the gospel truth?
She also reminds me of Psyche due to their appearances, the ways that they were seen and viewed by others, and both were princesses. Only Psyche was fully human, treated less poorly by the other people and gods in her myth, a lot more sympathetic, likeable, her life was far less complicated, and she was loved by and married Cupid, the god of love. She also had a better and less ambiguous fate than Helen.
Helen was kidnapped by Theseus when she was very young and with the Trojan war it wasn’t her fault. Aphrodite took away her free will and forced her to fall in love with Paris. She was Paris’s prize for giving Aphrodite the golden apple. Helen in the end was a victim and then suffered from victim blaming.
Yes, she was kidnapped by Theseus and essentially Helen was Paris’ prize from Aphrodite for choosing her and Helen was victim blamed in most accounts. In this version, Helen was more of a victim but not in all accounts or versions of the myth. So, are you if the opinion that Helen didn’t fall for Paris of her own volition?
Do you believe that she was the most beautiful woman in the world, why or why not?
@@ange-bw3kl she’s usually depicted as either being taken against her consent by Paris and abducted where she doesn’t love him or she is forced by Aphrodite and Eros to fall in love with Paris and that’s why she goes with him. Sure it seems like she goes with him willingly but she’s again under the influence and Aphrodite and Eros.
She had picked Menelaus as who she wanted to marry and married him and this is apart of a longer tale that Odysseus and Helen’s father came up with to solve the problem of all the suitors trying to marry Helen and causing problems. Helen was known to be the most beautiful woman in the world. She was promised to Paris by Aphrodite because she was the most beautiful mortal in the world.
Helen is just given such a horrible situation in the myths. She’s kidnapped twice, blamed for a war she did not cause, is just a tool, and constantly objectified. Sappho depicted her as deserting her family, Herodotus depicted it as an abduction, Cyperia has Aphrodite be the one who makes Helen fall for Paris after he gave her gifts. In the end Helen had not choice as she was given to Paris by Aphrodite. Still she is constantly blamed despite not truly have a say in the matter.
But where is paris
Helena and not Helen!!!!!
TOO MANY ADDS. DISLIKE.
I'm thankful that in at least one version of the story, Helen doesn't get a happy ending. Upon returning to Sparta, a Spartan widow blames Helen for (in)directly causing the war and for all the needless deaths on both ends including the death of her husband. This woman takes it upon herself to be a stand-in for all the women left without husbands caused by Helen's actions and proceeds to hang her from a tree. I prefer this outcome as Helen needed her comeuppance as she willingly chose to leave with Paris.
Did she went with Paris on her own will? Or is she under the influence of a love spell from Aphrodite? Did she even went to Troy at all? Or more like... is she just a mere pawn by her father, Zeus, to wipe out the humans and demigods on earth through the Trojan War? (The whole point is there is no clear consensus yet on whether Helen is with Paris by her own will or just kidnapping and the latter's violation of hospitality)
@@DaughterofRevenge Yeah, this! Although Helen found Paris to be handsome, she didn't fall in love until Eros shot her with an arrow at the request of Aphrodite. In a sense, she was coerced into doing it.
Dude Helen was like 14
@@DaughterofRevenge Helen wasn't coerced. Aphrodite is the Goddess of Love. She is a Goddess who is found within love itself. Love isn't some power She has but rather it is something that She is found in. Helen's feelings were genuine. She chose to go with Paris out of love.
@@WildMen4444The Book 3 of the Iliad says otherwise. Aphrodite literally resorted to threats when Helen resisted to do her bidding which is to sleep with Paris. She had despised him and wants to go back to her homeland i.e. Sparta.
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Zeus thinks with his **** and not his brain
As per his keikaku 😂😂😂
Zeus is the supreme god of Olympus what he wishes he does
Actually He thinks with His stomach since that's where Metis is
Pretty privilege
But also pretty disadvantage.
How dose women lay an egg🥚
I think the bird represents angels or winged figures from the clouds or heavens
Probably the same place she gives birth to a baby
helen the MVP
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I mean the poor woman got victimized and then blamed
The great women of troy
She was more Helen of Sparta since when she had a choice she picked Sparta
First!!!!
It took less than two minutes in for me to be grossed out 😅
👏👏Wow. Good. Vert good. Impressive story ever!
and in the aftermath, Helen reconciled with Melaneus and returned to Sparta with him
they had a daughter, Hermione, who was as fair as Aphrodite, and Hermione was wed to the son of Achilles
Telamachus witnessed this wedding when he came to Sparta to ask for information about his lost father Odysseus, Helen even gave him a rug she had weaved to use at his future wedding