The United Methodist Church Has Gone Off the Deep End...
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- Опубликовано: 6 май 2024
- The United Methodist Church has gone off the deep end... In this video, Todd Friel reacts to the recent viral clip from the UMC conference, and shares his perspective on it as a Bible-believing Christian.
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Great live show! Thank you!
The church may have changed it's mind, but GOD has NOT changed HIS!! PERIOD!!!
God's love wants to separate you from your unbelief in HIS WORD. And not follow ANY church that deviates from the BIBLE!!!
How come this video doesn’t address why Jesus was arrested with a naked boy in a public park at 4 AM? Mark 14:51-52 ??
@@Ian_622
Hi, Ian! I tried to research your question, and there is no known information on the young man. I am puzzled, too, about him. It's a good question. Hmmmm..
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Fact: Every denomination who has embraced homosexuality first ordained women.
TRUTH @Rio
and that is why the bible says only men can be pastors but this world doesn't want to obey
Really the same thing happened when women got the right to vote too
That is so interesting. For many years, many pastors didn't want to accept that when that was pointed out, but lately, that has been proven to be the case.
First Ordained Demons, then women.
if you are a Christian, and you attend this church, it's time to run for your soul
It's probably long past time!
Definitely! And don’t hang around thinking that you can change things from within. Get out before you are crushed beneath the weight of their iniquity.
It's the Methodist west that is going over the cliff. The Methodists in Africa are still conservative.
Most of the true Christians have already pulled out or departed from this apostate denomination.
This is why people are leaving churches.
The grass withers, the flower fades, but the Word of our God stands forever. Isaiah 40:8
Amen and Selah
yup there is no shelf life on Gods word
Amen
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Andy Stanley says the we don't need the Bible any more and he just had a Love the lgbtq community weekend program. Totally out of control. Can't mock GOD!
They love you until you disagree with them.
That seems to sum it up
surely love is love is love - as Lefty Lennon sang w/Oko
Amen!
Whenever the church begins celebrating man (or woman), instead of God, you know it has gone off of the rails.
Noticed that too, huh? I was struck by all the self-congratulations and pro-women gunk. There was ONE mention of Jesus, and the woman who did has no idea who He is. This is man-worship.
Not always.
IT'S ALL ABOUT
⭐JESUS CHRIST⭐
NOT ABOUT US WE WORSHIP ONLY
✨💫HIM💫✨
WOE TO THOSE WHO STRAY AWAY
FROM THE
✨HOLY BIBLE ✨
FOR THE WORD IS
⭐GOD⭐
Amen brother Ben
Great point for shure its all predictable.
Apostasy in action. Run from this organization to Jesus
You hit the nail on the head with that statement bro!!!
Jesus is all you'll need! This great apostasy is sad!!! 😟🥺😥😭💔💔💔
Jesus never got married, or even had a girlfriend, always hung out with a bunch of guys....hmmmmmmm!
@@stevepierce6467 Jesus Christ was God and had no need of sex, more on!
@@cactusblob1688 My tongue-in-cheek suggestion is that he might have been gay!
“The church that nurtured me is finally affirming me.” You don’t need to be affirmed!!! You need Christ Crucified!!!
Amen
Most underrated comment. This is the essence of what is wrong with wokeism.
People are leaving the Methodist church in droves. I have extended family who have been Methodist their whole lives, and are now attending a baptist church.
I' m a Baptist, too. My heart breaks when I see the UMC betray the gospel and celebrate sin. Sound Methodism is beautiful. There is the GMC now, the Nazarene Church. So I think our Lord still uses Mr. Wesleys heritage.
It’s happening in the Catholic Church too.
Sad part about most Baptist is mason pastors and they don’t have the Lords supper.
I left a Baptist church because they don’t have the communion because it scared that most ppl would get sick or die. Sad!
@@whistlep4494 the two Baptist churches I’ve attended took communion fairly regularly.
@@thespaminator
That’s wonderful. I’ve been to several churches when I moved here near Pickens SC and the one I did attend is a Christ of Christ & they serve every Sunday. May have to go back it’s just a ways off.
I attended a Methodist church and was shocked so I didn’t go back. Sad!!!!
I left the United Methodist Church nearly five years ago. I am now a Born Again Christian about to attend Bible College. I believe in Scripture and, unlike the UMC, strive to conform my life to the teachings of Jesus Christ.
Amen!
I left it 10 years ago. Best spiritual decision I've ever made. Lord bless and be with you @joshyoungfronc .
What school if I may ask? Like to as well. But I know many Bibles colleges are getting in trouble with our crazy bureaucracy in Washington.
What's the process to becoming truly saved?
Following scripture means supporting slavery. Can't have it both ways.
They can say they believe in Scripture, they just don't obey it.
The United Methodist "church" has has been off the rails for years.... just like Todd said.
They dont believe it either if they did truly they would obey they just use it to twist any way they want to.
They don't believe it either.
Even the demons believe in scripture.
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The Methodist Church, by compromising Christian Principles, has become an Apostate Church. 😢
Yes. Amen. Their lampstand has been removed.
As a woman, I do not support the ordination of women as pastors. The problem with this and other mailnline denominations is that they pander to popular culture instead of making disciples of all nations.
They have no fear of God. "Depart from Me I never knew you."
Amen ..just Tares trying to be Wheat ...📖🔥
@@michellecheriekjv4115 I am thinking of all the Methodist preachers of how many they send to hell by their false teaching. Excusing sin and putting in love?
You do realize that Jesus was saying, "if you don't walk according to the Law, using my Name won't save you," right?
Yes, this Comment hit me, because this video is a perfect illustration of that statement. A tragedy…
One word about the direction of the UMC; ABOMINATION!
This is why Paul said women should not have authority in church
God new what HE was doing. Just look at the Garden and what started it all.
Amen
UMC confuses love your neighbours with sexual immorality
truth If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the development of the fetus. Major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in our development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin. If your religion or belief system states that it is, then there can be no argument. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. This is your only choice which is condemnation.
If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both based on genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace
@@dan69052 While all of that may be demonstrated as true, what if there's a higher level than all the logic, reason, etc, that you mentioned?
@@furyfantoo I can tell by your response; you didn’t read the book. Nor understood what I wrote. Thank you however. You helped me realized that while I was brought up as a Catholic with 12 years of educational indoctrination, I know I made the right decision to leave any religious affiliation I had. While I am not gay, I accept those who are. I embraced reason, logic, acceptance, & love to understand the world & humanity. I no longer feel compelled to judge or condemn others especially when it is based the ignorance found in religions. Thank you for showing me I made the right decision. Peace & again thank you very much.
@@dan69052 I presume you believe in evolution, and not man and woman being created by God?
@@furyfantoo I can tell by your response; you didn’t read the book. Nor understood what I wrote. Thank you however. You helped me realized that while I was brought up as a Catholic with 12 years of educational indoctrination, I know I made the right decision to leave any religious affiliation I had. While I am not gay, I accept those who are. I embraced reason, logic, acceptance, & love to understand the world & humanity. I no longer feel compelled to judge or condemn others especially when it is based the ignorance found in religions. Thank you for showing me I made the right decision. Peace & again thank you very much.
I left UMC when they applauded an LGBTQ years ago. I stopped attending because it spoke volumes…. 😢
Smart move, hope you’ve found a faithful congregation.
By reading what's going on with the UMC, they don't seem so united right now.
Same way with the United States.
The United States aren't united except by boarder lines.
now that you left , do you have room for truth & knowledge ????If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the development of the fetus. Major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in our development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin. If your religion or belief system states that it is, then there can be no argument. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. This is your only choice which is condemnation.
If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both based on genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace
As a Christian in Indonesia, the most populated Muslim country, it's really embarassing to see US churches go down like this.
Press into Him, brother. Be not dismayed, the tares are being separated from the sheep.
Don't get prideful brother, The church has always grown under persecution, it's harder to say no to the flesh, when your world is decadent. Pray for us instead.
We just have to try to save as many souls as we can, to point them in the right direction to salvation. I want to believe that 99% of the Methodist Church goer's know that accepting and tolerating LGBT is a sin, a straight contradiction of the Lord's word. I don't want anyone to go to hell... especially not an entire denomination of Christians that are being led a stray away from God.
are thet being replaced by knowledge If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the development of the fetus. Major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in our development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin. If your religion or belief system states that it is, then there can be no argument. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. This is your only choice which is condemnation.
If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both based on genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace
God bless you @ezradja, I hope your churches there, and churches around the world, learn from the US’s and UK’s big mistakes.
The woman who said she was "Tired of choosing between her church and her partner" didn't mention anything about her love of God, Our savior Jesus, or scripture.
If God uses our Savior Jesus Christ to lead her to choosing His Bride, she may dump her partner. But I pray He brings her to repentance and salvation as well.
God does not change. He is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
Wrong
1- in the beginning God made everything and said it was all good
2- the Law was established- don’t eat pork it’s bad
3- Peter’s dream animals falling….take and eat it’s all good! Even pork!
God will not be mocked!
Yes, that’s right. Let’s just spit in God’s eye and allow openly gay clergy to lead the church. This goes for ALL denominations: GOD WILL NOT BE MOCKED!
Amen..
My church split from the UMC
I am a member of a PCA church. That's Presbyterian Church in America, that split from the Presybterian Church USA back in the 70s. We are still a strong biblical, reformed denomination.
truth If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the development of the fetus. Major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in our development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin. If your religion or belief system states that it is, then there can be no argument. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. This is your only choice which is condemnation.
If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both based on genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace
Do they understand what those boys do to each other at night?
Doesn't anyone fear God anymore and care about His Word? My heart is so totally broken. These people would rather affirm their perverse lifestyle than listen to God's word. They are so blinded. I'm crying and my heart hurts.
maybe this might mend your broken heart truth knowledge If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the development of the fetus. Major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in our development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin. If your religion or belief system states that it is, then there can be no argument. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. This is your only choice which is condemnation.
If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both based on genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace
I understand exactly what you're saying and my heart is broken as well.😢 To watch a major church misleading people is so upsetting!!!😢
this is WILLFUL "blindness"
Jesus was gay
Why is your heart broken 💔?
The word of God speaks of these times. So you should rejoice, why??...because Christ returns is even closer than before.
I am a Methodist minister who preaches at two congregations who left the UMC due to this heretical madness, we have the scriptures as our authority on all things. I fear for the UMC and pray they come to repentance.
Glad that you're no longer there but why didn't you recognize the problem before it arose? Why didn't you see that the ordination of women is already heresy? And now you continue to compromise by remaining in a denomination that ordains women as ministers of Word and sacrament, which is definitely an early indicator of the impending apostasy, but also the foolish Wesleyanism, the anti-Calvinism that is ALWAYS the sure fire path to aberration and heresy.
As a woman, I'm embarrassed
Walk in with a maga hat on and see how far there tolerance goes.
It's always hypocrisy that exposes thier arrogance towards God❤
What does that have to do with this?
Great comment.
Dont pretend to be stupid@@kurthaas4331
Why? Does MAGA fill anyone with the Holy Ghost, preach love, forgive wrongs? If you don't support it, don't support it. Don't play with malice and antagonize people because that is sin.
Whelp, we left the Methodist Church about 10 years ago for this very reason.
They were talking down to us because we were white, straight and hadn't been to prison.
Why did they go to prison?
@@mattmoeller1105 they didn't go to prison. They wanted us (The congregation) to use a 1940s prison Bible with prison lingo to help talk to to church members.
Instead of pulling people up towards God and improvement, they wanted to talk down to those people as well.
They had some really strange ideas. We knew it wasn't right.
What's a prison Bible????
@@GramGramGenX-ln5sc Seems like it's turning into a cult. Praise God you had the discernment to leave! 💌
@@sharonf3321 Yes, My thoughts exactly. Just like a cult.
It hurts my ears and my soul to hear these people.
Its not just the UMC. Its happening in most all of our churches. Its heartbreaking and frightening. Thank God for his word to guide us. We cannot depend on ministers and churches any longer.
Not in my Baptist church it isn't, I can promise you that.
Conforming to the world. Caving in to peer pressure. Loving the praise of man more than the praise of God
@@kayabernethy830 I've always loved the Baptist church. I think it is certainly part of "the remnant" at the end of days.
@@kayabernethy830
Many Baptists have mason pastors and don’t serve the Lords supper. Find out if they are masons. I live in upstate SC and they have mason temples near the churches not all but a lot and the masons have their symbols within the towns support signs. It’s very sad.
When the Word of God is set aside, the decay sets in.
Our will is the handmaid of our affections ❤
Your Affections Should be The 'Will of God ' !
From what I've heard the reason it voted overwhelmingly was that all the churches choosing to honor God's word has already left them
But they left because they saw this inevitably coming down the road.
Yes and they also knew the African conferences would support the ban like what they had done for years so they send them invitations to apply for Visas last minute and most them did not get the Visas in time so did not manage to attend the conference. Pure politics in the Church.
You are correct
There wasn't even a debate.
That's exactly what happened.
I send my kids to what was a Christian, Methodist based church, school. About 10 years ago they started changing EVERYTHING, and expected the schools to do the same. Our didn't!! We took their name off everything and we are who we are, definitely for the better!!
I was raised Methodist. When I married my husband I started going to his Baptist church. This is when I truly learned about what was written in the Bible - the true word of God. I thank my husband for leading me to God through the Bible.
This is both sad and an outrage. I agree with John McArthur that we are in the midst of God's judgement on a nation that has turned its back on Him. The persecution of the church will intensify from here on, so keep your eyes on the Lord and plant your feet on the foundation of Christ.
Amen to this!
Amen! 🙏
Amen. Any nation that sanctions abortion and homosexuality is subject to God's judgment. Praying for the rapture!
Amen💕🙏💕
Amen
Love is caring enough to tell people the truth.
UMC's response, "What is truth?"
@@prairiewolfedogg just what Pilate said to Christ.
@@michaelcase8574 Bingo!
Yes. It's understandable that the lost would find themselves searching for identity. It is mean-spirited to encourage them to look for it where we know it cannot be found.
I applaud for those conservative, Biblical, and traditionalists people/church who is still fighting inside the UMC. May God bless you all! Amen!
Please pray for a revival and/or A Great Awakening in the U.S.A. by the grace of God Almighty. Amen. This is our only hope. Amen again.
Our church disaffiliated from the UMC. Praise God for that
This is what happens when men don't lead! And when we don't allow Gods Holy word to be the light and the final authority.
Are you kidding?Look who is leading our country!It is not a matter of sex it is a matter of faith.
This hurts. I grew up in the Methodist church and this is not the church I grew up with.
I am newly saved and its been 13 months and i still cannot find a church to go to. Its bad out here. The last church i went to, the "Pastor" started out by saying "Happy Pride month"! That was last june and i havent been able to find a church since then. I cannot be part of a church that ignores the word of God. Period. Its all or nothing
If you can't find a Bible based conservative church in your area, there are plenty of Bible churches that livestream or have their services online. Join an online Christian faith fellowship or support forum for encouragement. Lastly, maybe there's a Bible study group in your area that gets together to study God's Word and for fellowship. I hope this helps. God bless you.
Happy Sinful month, not!
@@wiseup2517 GREAT COMMENT!!! 😂😂😂😂
Consider becoming traditional Latin Mass catholic
@@donb2063 Oh no thank you. I want to find a church CLOSER to God not further away from. Nothing says paganism and blasphemy like the Catholic church
UMC doors are fully open and the pews are fully empty.
The doors got that way from the sensible church members fleeing OUT of UMC sanctuaries.
The doctrine is empty as well.
Narrow is the gate, and few there be that find it.
Say it again my brother!
it is easy to find if you think for your self If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the development of the fetus. Major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in our development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin. If your religion or belief system states that it is, then there can be no argument. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. This is your only choice which is condemnation.
If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both based on genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace
I was going to be a Methodist pastor about five years ago. I attended seminary for a semester. I withdrew from the process when this apostasy was heating up. The UMC is like the Titanic. The stuff they say in Seminary about Scripture is so shameful.
The manner in which they ran the conference would have made communist China or North Korea proud. EVERY word was monitored and every time someone strayed from the approved words and references, the DEI team swooped in to have a "discussion" with them.
This will be the UMC going forward.... be cautious if you are still a member. They will be listening to everything to make sure it meets with their approved wordspeak. In their words this is "Monitoring, not policing"
My family has been Methodist for 200+ years, I left 5 years ago, I can't believe what has happened.
Mine, too, for many generations. I am saddened, appalled.
has it encourged it members to think for themselves ???If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the development of the fetus. Major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in our development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin. If your religion or belief system states that it is, then there can be no argument. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. This is your only choice which is condemnation.
If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both based on genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace
I vehemently suspect that's what they want. In-fill-tray-shun.
If you are a Christian, and you attend this church, it's time to run for your soul. 🙏🙏
I would love to have a conversation with you about this. I was raised, baptized, have been a United Methodist pastor for nine years and I have loved the people in the churches I have serviced. I AM HEART BROKEN!!! I feel like I am being excluded, because of my Biblical foundation and view, during a time of inclusion.
Revelation 18, Jude whole letter, the last warning to the churches. Courage! GOD Will be with us!
Fostering bitterness, unforgiveness, vengeance, dissatisfaction, discontent, rather than godliness, holiness.
The only space that women appear to not want to be is at home raising their children. The most important job in the world - motherhood.
I agree whole-heartedly. I am a first time mother at 40 with a 4 month old and am leaving my 19 year career because God gifted me with a little boy who needs me. I am also looking forward to taking care of my husband and our home. Waiting this long for a child was not by choice and is a great blessing.
Do you have some stats on stay-at-home mothers v working mothers as a percentage of the general population or is it more just general "America's going to heck in a handbasket" type grousing? Any spreadsheets on 2 working parent households in relation to cost of living expenses and ages of children? That certainly must be frustrating though. Knowing what's best for everyone and yet having to live with so many people not understanding that.
@@blueglassdave Studies have shown that children from birth to 3 years old are dependent on bonding for proper brain development. When the mother leaves (even for a short time) the baby has an increase in the stress hormone Cortisol.
@@marysisak2359 Thanks for your response. With respect, I'm aware of the decades of studies including live experiments showing the importance of bonding in early childhood, which is why I didn't ask about it. I was hoping to see that you had researched the issue and knew how many mothers work and how much, how often the other parent is present while they work, what ages their children are when working and the role of economic factors in their decision to work.
Nail on head with that comment. 🙏 God bless.
They are in for a treat when they find out anyone who adds or omits God's word is removed from the book of life.
This bunch was never in The Book of Life.
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after viewing the convention I now know what it means , depart from me , I never knew you.
We're supposed to stop doing our sins not encourage each other. As Isaiah said:
"They parade their sin, they do not hide it".
I might suggest this motto for the UMC:
"The United Methodist Church -- When finding your identity in Christ just isn't enough."
Lol yeah that’s great, and sad
My submission for the motto: "The United Methodist Church - where signaling trumps virtue"
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Or the United Methodist Church of Perversion
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They have been driving out the faithful for decades and they have moved to Bible believing churches. The bottom of the barrel is all that’s left and it’s a dead denomination.
have they replace these people who think for themself based on knowledge ?If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the development of the fetus. Major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in our development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin. If your religion or belief system states that it is, then there can be no argument. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. This is your only choice which is condemnation.
If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both based on genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace
This is not the UMC that I grew up with. While I am deeply saddened and disappointed about how things turned out now that majority of the Bible-believing, Christ-centered (United) Methodist churches disaffiliated, I already saw this coming. Praying for the Lord to call out the remaining saints in this now-fully-blown apostate conference and to bring them to communities that preach/teach the gospel the way He mandated in His Word.
God is Bigger than Religion,his love is unconditional and unimaginable.
"Indigenous people" is a fallacy. Indians, or what they refer to as Native Americans migrated from Asia. I however was born here in America back in 1963 so I am technically a native American.
It's all performative self worship. ''Look how compassionate I am to these little people over here...''
Absolutely
And there were plentybof other people on this continent before "Natives" even got here.
Exactly. People of every color in north america since it melted. We all got off Noah's boat.
@@kateruterbories2692 and the Natives that were here were killing each other in tribal wars constantly...it's not like they were sitting around the campfire together singing kumbaya until whitey came and ruined their big lovefest.
The Southern Baptist Convention voted last year to remove Saddleback Church and Rick Warren from their ranks due to his naming a woman as pastor in that church. He appealed the decision, but was not reinstated. So at least there's that.
Rick Warren is totally into Chrislam. That guy has rubbed me the wrong way since his book, "The Purpose Driven Life."
But they left so many other churches with women fake pastors...$$$$
While I’m Southern & a Baptist, I am NOT a member of a SBC church. The SBC will be splitting in a few years over this very thing and are by no means, in general terms, the “gold standard”. The exception in the SBC seems to be the small country churches who are pastored by older men standing on solid Scripture while ignoring the trash coming out of Macon GA.
I believe they did the same with Steven Furtick and Elevation church.
@@ronlee5571I go to one of the small churches that you mentioned. They welcome everyone with open arms at the door and take up your cross to follow jesus. That we love the Sinner and hate the sin. They refused to budge on that one
Love is obedience!!!!
Yes, Jesus said,"if you love me keep my commandments ".
UMC is not Christian anymore. You can not affirm wilful sin and wilful sinful practice and still be Christian.
Hebrews made this known. It isnt pretty.
It never was Christian. Not truly.
Clearly
If a child of GOD condones sin of any kind than they are partakers of that sin
A Methodist church in our city just announced it was closing its doors. It’s a beautiful building where thousands once attended with several services. I believe this was the final nail in the coffin.
That’s the point of all of this. To close churches. All of the churches that adopt this type of teaching always always end up closing.
@@jevans6268 Absolutely. It's all part of the grand plan and it appears to be working.
Go woke - lose blokes.
Repentance is absolutely a must for the UMC at this point and many other Affirming Churches.
They are fools and they're just getting more honest about admitting it...
1990--sat in a Methodist Church and heard the pastor say we had evolved past the Bible. I took my family to a Bible believing church immediately. Sadly, I was raised as a Methodist in the 1960s
Me too, Gods faithfulness to his own children is wonderful isn't it, thank God He gives to us the Holy Spirit who Leeds us & guides us along the long narrow road❤
That’s sad. I remember my sweet aunt and uncle taking us to the Methodist church in Texas back in the 1960s.
Me, too, and I never knew why Jesus died and was resurrected. I never knew what sin was
I have many relatives who have been buried in UMC cemeteries. Of course, this was back before the apostasy was out in the open.
Sounds like a cool pastor.
It blows my mind how theatrical these false churches act. Mark that, faithful brothers and sister, if a church trivializes the worship of God Almighty with the frivolities of theatrics, you are probably in a false church. Because, if they are willing to do that, look closely to see what else they are willing to do. We will know them by their fruits.
Amen, every good tree produces good fruit ❤
It's been happening for decades. I knew when they put in the big digital screens, electric guitars, giant speakers, and decided that a church service was supposed to look and feel like a rock concert. That's when we high-tailed it out of there. We can read the Bible ourselves, and with the internet and other books as resources to help with interpretation, we don't need the "concert", nor the "alternative" lifestyles being paraded around.
That is an excellent point. Upon reflection, I can see that such pomp and pageantry is played up in many carnal arenas - politics, sports, business, and yes, even religion.
Quite a shame, though, that the UMC did the O'Jays music dirty like that.
Leave this church and do not look back
Seriously
Don't look back
I'm trying. Please pray.
Most of the indigenous people on the land when the U.S. was “colonized” were on that land because they pushed other tribes off the land first. The Sioux were newcomers to South Dakota and pushed out the “indigenous” Crow only a few generations before the Sioux started fighting the cavalry for their “homeland”. They fought against Crow scouts who were also trying to get that land back as their homeland.
Terrifying!!!!! Direct disobedience to God!!! They are not a church! Repent and believe the gospel!!!🙏❤️.
I left UMC a year ago now.
Best decision I have ever made
These women are really sick.
I left a rapidly deteriorating PCUSA over 2 decades ago because of the same thing. They were way ahead of the UMC in degeneration. Apparently, the UMC is serious about catching up.
Our nation is in deep trouble with God. We need to repent before its too late
We need a Ninevah repentance.
@@Strive1324L Or else we will end up like Nineveh in 612 B.C., just as the book of Nahum mentioned.
@@mattmoeller1105 Agreed.
Every person in Nineveh repented, from the leaders to the servants. If you think every person in America is going to do the same, you’re not thinking logically. America is FINISHED. Let it ßurn. There’s hope for the souls of individuals in America who are lost if they will repent and receive Christ, but the soul of America as a nation is lost forever. The AC is coming. And so is the wràth of the Lamb, our LORD Jesus Christ.
@Redeemed.of.YHVH.thru.Christ I was just trying to be positive. Sure the odds are America's goose is cooked. Our hope is in Christ, and the Lord will return one day, when He's ready.
2 Timothy 4:3 For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, 4 and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths. ... Seems that time is on us.
They “overwhelmingly voted” to lift the ban because all of the conservative congregations/delegates were no longer there to vote. BUT, the local conferences still had the votes representing their previous general conference congregation numbers….much the same way our census and House representative numbers work. They kept putting off the general conference until the conservatives left. You see the result.
"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the way that leads to life, and only a few find it.". Matthew 7: 13 -14
…..If they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them!!!!
-Isaiah 8:20
I grew up in the UMC . 1960- 1973. There were a lot of wonderful older Christians who attended that church, and loved the Lord. We even had a youth pastor who led a lot of us high school kids to Jesus. We had Bible study and youth group on Wednesday nights. I have good memories from that time in my life. So sad it’s all changed. I can’t go back there now.
I attended a Methodist church in 1960. I was 16 and had been a Christian only two months. After the evening service the church put on a dance party for the teenagers in the basement. I never went back.
@@kittyhawk7060 Wow, I didn't realize the compromise started that far back. I was 5 in 1960. At that time, Catholic mass was still said in Latin and was very conservative. Not until Vatican II in 1964 did the Catholic Church start to change. Thanks for sharing.
I can barely sit through this. Our Lord is not pleased.
"I never knew you. Depart from Me you who practice lawlessness"
Yes! Women, we women, have stepped out of our lane in a profoundly negative way. it's been disasterous!
Amen to this
I agree
Yes. We were let by Satan to abandon our natural roles in the domestic realm and "play" man in the career and politics world. It all went downhill ever since. Homelife has been obliterated. Children have suffered. Families are broken and weak. God help us.
I don’t want to be lumped in with these people.
Complete and utter blasphemy! I am a former United Methodist. I never formally became a “member” due to the fact that even as a very young woman, things didn’t set well with me. I live in a rural area with very few churches. My entire family left the UMC a year ago because of what was happening. (This includes my then 85 year old mother who withdrew her membership.) The church we attended refused to even discuss disaffiliation, despite us providing the information to do so.
We have not, as yet, found a church that we feel is Biblically sound enough to attend. The surrounding villages have UMC, UCC, Episcopal, Lutheran (all gone woke) and a few Baptist churches. I pray we find a church as I feel such a huge part of my life as a Christian is lacking.
Great video. So sad this has happened to the UMC but not surprised. I could see it coming.
You should consider initiating a home group. There are also a number of online small groups who meet weekly. My mother's family was in the UMC. I have numerous relatives buried over multiple generations in the Methodist cemeteries. So sad.
Bless your heart, especially your dear mum, for your family's wise decision.
Lutheran Church Missouri Synod hasn’t gone woke. Yet, I guess.
I have pastored rural UM churches for 35 years. We were able to disaffiliate. The county seat church here remained United Methodist. Some of their members are coming to our churches now. You did the right thing to get out. Perhaps you can form a home church until God provides. God Bless.
We shouldn't mix issues. Nor move from one extreme to the next. The prohibition against female eldership or shepherding which implies having authority over men, is clearly laid out. No prohibition is ever issued against women preaching the gospel in apostolic teaching. John Wesley was quite right in sending women out to preach to both male and female audiences. They got results and souls were saved.
They don’t believe in scriptures
God says this would happen. Plain as day, telling all about it in Scripture...
Amen, the separation has begun, God is exposing the corruption in the church, He is faithful to his own children,, He is getting us ready for eternity with him ❤
Jesus: "love your neighbors"
Satan: "cheer them on in their sin & don't ever try to correct them because 'only god can judge'"
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The wages of sin is death.
When Jesus separates the sheep from the goats, the UMC and it's members will have to remove their sheep's clothing and see them as the goats they are.
My bestie was a member of the United Methodist Church. Her congregation voted to leave the bigger unit and be free. They had to go thru all kinds of history and produce all kinds of proof, but they got out. They are a Bible-believing church now and worship the triune God.
I left our local church last year when they failed to / refused to discuss disafiliation from the UMC.
I hope you've been able to find a fellowship of people who love the word and seek to obey God, ❤
I'm sad to hear they didn't go with you. I am a recently baptized member of Reynoldsburg Community Church near Columbus OH, a Global Methodist Church. My family and I are former Mormons and are having a wonderful experience here! So glad they disaffiliated.
Our methodist church voted to go to the global methodist because of all this.
One UMC in my town decided to go nondenominational and independent, with the same pastor, etc. because they didn't want anyone telling them what they could or could not do.
I left UMC during COVID and stayed out after finally seeing the truth of scripture. Global Methodist ordains women. I can’t consider them, either.
It’s taken over by demons.
Your Love for God and His Word should be most important. We all have sins that we need to fight the desire for.
That's a good one and I'll use it next time someone refers to God as she. God's preferred pronouns are male, not female.
They don't care though.
Spectacular arrogance! We are doomed when Holy Scripture is mangled and warped. Be still and wait on the Lord. 🙏✌️♥️🇺🇸
Thier prideful arrogance is the handmaid to thier spiritual ignorance 😢😢
Jesus Christ please touch the blind as only You can to bring Your Perfect will for all . Thank You Jesus Christ. Amen
My wife and I were married in a United Methodist Church here in Mississippi, but I guarantee you they would NOT go along with this. After we got married she joined a Southern Baptist church with me and we’re both very satisfied there. Marriage is meant to be one man and one woman! No exceptions. This “inclusive” mindset, in an attempt to not let anyone feel left out, has left sound, Biblical teaching like Paul said they would, to the point they ignore scripture that’s as plain as day. The whole point of the Gospel is NOT just to make everyone feel good & welcome. God calls us to repentance, to put away sin & follow Jesus. These folks ignore 😢Genesis 1, etc. Welcome to modern day Sodom & Gomorrah, folks.
Thank you for sharing the Truth Todd! I love your ministry.
Well said Todd. One of the things I realized when the Lord saved me was that I needed to get out of the UMC. That was over 45 years ago. It’s been bad for a long time.
They don't believe in Scripture.
As a kid i remember hearing about one of the prophets in the Old testament, before the Babylonian take over. God took him to the temple and shoed him horrible thing s happening in the temple. As a kid i could hardly believe it. Yet here we are in Church saying all this is fine and dandy. We are in trouble