Something DANGEROUS Is Threatening the Southern Baptist Convention
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- Опубликовано: 6 июн 2024
- Here’s how Liberalism wants to INVADE the Southern Baptist Convention… In this video, Todd Friel warns the Southern Baptist Convention of the playbook liberals have used to infiltrate the United Methodist Church, Presbyterianism, Lutheranism, and others, and how they may do the same to the SBC.
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The church needs to man up and denounce false compassion. Stand for truth, rebuke evil. if you tolerate it, it will take you out
People just go to church let the pastor talk at them and leave
@@joshuagarner1654 ?
False Compassion. I like that term
Amen, those who demand tolerance will soon insist on acceptance. And ultimately these people will demand that you become one of them.
church needs to God Up not Man up
I think it was Pastor Dr. John MacArthur who said "If you have female pastor, you have neither a pastor nor a church."
If you don't have Apostolic succession you don't have a Church. 😊
@dman7668 THEN THE Church no longer exists, because Rome doesn't even have that.
@@larrywarner1630 The Roman Catholic CREATED the "Church" around 325 a.d. or earlier, Jesus created HIS BODY at Pentacost
The orthodox and Catholic Churches have said that for 2000 years almost.
@@larrywarner1630 how do you know it doesn't?
Christianity is not a democracy, it is a monarchy. CHRIST IS KING!!!
This!
Right on!
God’s word is the same, yesterday, today, and tomorrow. It does NOT change with societal trends.
@@dalethompson6952Yes! Women should wear head coverings in church!
@@JohnMark61355 That really is minor. It's good, but DON'T make a rule out of it! When I first received Christ and started truly worshiping Him, I did not have a head covering. I was still blessed by the Lord who looks on the heart and not on the outward appearance. We are NOT saved by "works."
The culture is hell bent on widening the gate and broadening the road to destruction. When Pastor Adrian Rogers was president of the SBC, he said he didn't particularly care if the SBC survived and that he'd never compromise Gods' word. It seems we have too many "pastors" lacking such courage.
Definitely need more with his commitment to the Word.
Still miss that great lion of God.
Don't pretend that folks in the SBC don't care if it survives or not. If the church goes belly up (perhaps because of all the lawsuits that will keep piling up regarding the scandals of child molestations and cover-ups) all those church leaders will have to go out and get real jobs. The job of deluding people about the existence of imaginary beings has a pretty grim future. Every day people are leaving the churches and declaring themselves agnostic and atheistic. This trend shows no sign of slowing down. I find it hilarious.
Ahh, Adrian Rodgers, a name I never get sick of hearing. He was such a blessing. Truly maybe the only redeeming thing out of Memphis.
I’m a Southern Baptist and I was at the annual meeting in New Orleans in 2023. It was my first time as a messenger of my church and I was the only messenger sent. Nonetheless, I enjoyed the meeting and I left greatly encouraged and informed. I voted for the Law amendment that Mohler was speaking of and the amendment needs one more vote of approval by the messengers again in Indianapolis in order for it to be enshrined into our constitution. The amendment states that if a church wishes to be in friendly cooperation with the convention they must hire only qualified men to be pastors. After witnessing the overwhelming majority of people vote to keep Saddleback and Fern Creek out of fellowship with the SBC, I believe the messengers will vote to solidify the Law amendment. As a Southern Baptist, please pray for us as we make this decision and pray that we follow what God’s Word says concerning the role of women in the church. Pray that we honor women while also clearly and definitively protect ourselves from any future threats of theological drift.
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I'm from South America, please don't let the SBC fall.
Exactly where are amendments, and a constitution for a church in the Bible?
SBC lacks the autonomy the Holy Bible calls for in the local church...the "hierarchy" is your local Pastor (MALE) as the undershepherd directly under Jesus the Shepherd.....no controlling managers in between
@@michaelkendall662 Not exactly. You are correct about autonomy, but the "hierarchy" is the elders.
News flash! Christ is not a democracy. He is head and He reigns. His scriptures are true. God loves men and women. Do not compromise on this issue, SBC, by going along with immoral culture. The Gate is narrow, blessed be the Name of the Lord
News Flash! Christ said he would build his Church on Peter, and that church had the authority to make new rules and put away old rules. That Church is NOT the SBC. The SBC is in no way affiliated with the Church that Christ established in Matthew 16:18-19. Go read it. Then run, don't walk, away from the heretics you assemble with.
Amen
They are not the only ones. MANY churches are falling to this. Trust me, the Lord will have absolutely NO compassion in eternity when He says to the evil people who refuse to repent "be gone!!! I never knew you!!"
If God loves women, why does He want to silence them? Why does He consider them less than men?
Raised in Southern Baptist Church and that is my foundation. I believe this is part of what we are warned about in Revelation. Just as a stop sign is not a suggestion, the teachings in the Bible are not suggestions. Will pray SBC does not succumb to pressure.
I really wish the people passionate about evil would be that passionate for Christ. Imagine how awesome it would be to get some of those people converted who aren't afraid to be heard like that. Kind of like Paul who went from being an extremist against Christianity, to being a mega extremist FOR Christianity. God could use these people for so many good things if they would only obey :(
Your foundation is a Church Jesus and the Apostles had nothing to do with.
Go Indy. I did, best move ever
AGREED...
Yes Revelation does warn us about the SBC.
Very sad 😔! I
I’m a women and I say no! We don’t live by how we as humans FEEL, that’s what the world does.
What does the written word of God say? That’s what guides us…. No 👏 matter👏what👏
If you enjoy serious conversations, debates, and Bible studies that deal with the controversy of female pastors, try Randall Arthur’s novel A Quiet Roar. You’ll love it. It’s an internationally-based drama that earns 4.5 stars on Amazon. Readers rave about it. One reader writes: “An attractive female pastor is imposed on a conservative Baptist church in rural Georgia and all hell breaks loose.” I understand Beth Moore read the book and loved it. Randall Arthur is also the author of the bestselling novel Wisdom Hunter.
The problem is that most of the people in the pews and probably lots behind the pulpit are not born again.
The devil roams about at church playing his fave game of deception, oldest trick in his bag and humans FALL for it every time, it makes him roar with laughter as he makes mincemeat out of souls.
Sounds like something I read from Richard Baxter.
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I'd like to give you a million thumbs up in agreement! (except I'd remove the word 'probably'.) The 'Pastor' who married me left his wife and kids (a few yrs later) for a man. Makes me wonder if my marriage is official! I would say any pastor who goes against Scripture on the main points (not the little things), has not the Spirit. There are tons of those! Remember Matthew 7, esp. vs's 21-23. "Not everyone who says to Me, Lord Lord will enter the Kingdom of Heaven ............ I Never knew you. Away from Me, you evildoers!" Take care my brother! 😇📖
I believe the current stats stand at 20% which realistically means closer to only 5-15% are born again.
I used to attend the Episcopal church, but had to leave when they allowed practicing gays to serve
Because Jesus hated gays, right? You folks just twist scripture to conform to your own bigotry and hatred. It's pretty sad.
SBC don't do it !
Amen, are we disciples of Chrit! Men were made for God and women for men. Positions have been defined.
Amen. May the amendment be passed, and may disobedient congregations either repent, or leave the SBC!
I’ve already told our pastor, if the SBC leaves the clear teaching of God’s Word, I’ll be leading the charge for our church to leave the SBC, if that doesn’t happen, I’ll be leaving our church. I hope and pray it doesn’t come to that.
Satan has the same tactic - he used it on Eve.. “I just wanna talk”
Very true!! "Did God really say that?" The prince of Lies always trying to slither in at the door.
Satan’s tactic was “is that REALLY what God meant when He said….?” In short, his tactic was to get Eve to DOUBT what God meant. This is EXACTLY what the church I left three years ago did to justify female pastors. “Is that what God REALLY meant about church leadership, or was that just for the people of that time period”. THE CHURCH was working to get people to doubt what God MEANT. It was SHOCKING that only 18 members out of 800+ had a problem with it and left.
He didn't mean that, he meant this. Don't worry you'll know everything, you'll be as wise as God.
God gave Eve paradise, but she wanted more.
The church is not a brick and mortar building. It's not a denomination. It's the body of believers in King Jesus Christ.
But we’re commanded to worship with other believers. “Forsake Not The Assembling…” Hebrews 10:25… So when you meet regularly, you form a group and give yourselves a name like Bible Study Group, Assembly, Church. You share in each others needs, help others financially. Ya see, you just can’t escape Church if you’re going to serve God.
@@terrymoffett1356 My brother, I say this with love and respect. If the church you're going to is serving the world, find another that serves Jesus Christ. Even if that's just two other people worshipping in your livingroom. A church that doesn't follow the unchanging Word of the eternal living GOD, isn't a place you should be. Your church can be any place where true believers gather. You don't need a building or a denomination to worship GOD with fellow believers. GOD bless 🙏♥️✝️
And the Serpent said, "Thou shalt not surely die." If the Church does not adhere to Scripture, we Shall Surely Die.
Nothing has changed about God’s Word!!! Women are NOT to be preachers or teachers of men!!! Do NOT be led astray! Stand firm on the Word of God!!!
Paul literally told Phebe, a woman, to preach in his stead while he was gone. Still wanna "stand firm" on that? The stand firm on the word of God and tell women to preach.
@@saintmalaclypse3217He calls her a servant. The term from which we get “deacon” and “deaconess” (see notes on 1 Tim. 3:10, 11, 12). In the early church, women servants cared for sick believers, the poor, strangers, and those in prison. They instructed the women and children (cf. Titus 2:3-5). Whether Phoebe had an official title or not, she had the great responsibility of delivering this letter to the Roman church. When they had served faithfully and become widowed and destitute, such women were to be cared for by the church. He never said she should preach please go back and re read that scripture
@@saintmalaclypse3217 He did not tell her to do that. lol
@@saintmalaclypse3217 : verse or it never happened even if you say literally
I Timothy chapter 3 for Bishop qualifications
I’m happy to report that my team the KC Chiefs refuse to acknowledge pride month
@lisadooley3872 “How ‘bout them Chiefs!” I was SHOCKED!!!
Me too…THE PITTSBURGH STEELERS 🙏🏾✊🏿👊🏽
I'm sure my team Seattle, will be all over that . Probably wear rainbow uniforms
Yay!!
Pittsburgh Steelers
Cleveland Browns
Cincinnati Bengals
Tennessee Titans
Kansas City Chiefs
Denver Broncos
Dallas Cowboys
Detroit Lions
Green Bay Packers
New Orleans Saints
Atlanta Falcons
All chose not to participate in it.
I'm a woman and a born again believer in Jesus Christ. I have my CPA and am married with a beautiful toddler who is a straight up miracle. The Bible is very clear on this issue. Women cannot preach. We are coheirs of salvation yes. But God is God and designed it this way. My husband doesn't treat me as inferior. But when we disagree I let him lead. * (NOT perfectly though) ! We need to pray hard . And IF the SBC falls...well then we pray for true Bible believing followers to go to a true Bible believing church and pray for the salvation of everyone.
I recently quit a very part time job bc the "church" I was working for had a woman interim pastor and was open to women pastors . I didn't know this when initially taking the role (part time accounting). But then the Lord brought it to my attention and I had Zero peace about staying . So I quit, and gave 2 months notice.
Its very hard to follow the Lord. But remember this is not our home. Its not our home. We are just passing through as literal strangers . Everyone who is truly born of God will follow His Word.
i am a dentist with two small children and every word you say is true( because it is based on the scripture)
I have a friend who understand that women cannot be pastors in a church but says she was explicitly led by God to that church. I keep wondering how can anyone be so delusional to say that God will lead them to a church that operates against His scriptures.
Priscilla preached in Acts 18:26
An unnamed Samaritan woman preached in John 4:28-30
Paul left Phebe to preach in his place in Romans 16:1-2
The Bible gives examples of women preaching, so are you saying the Bible is wrong? The same books that say women should NOT preach also say women should wear head-coverings, which were full-length veils. Do you wear your veil in church, or do you ignore that particular verse?
The verses that speak against women preaching are PAUL's words, not God's. Are you placing Paul above Jesus? You shouldn't, since Paul himself let a woman preach (in Romans 16:1-2) Paul also says women should be silent in church, then immediately says women CAN pray and prophesy in church (which is the opposite of silence) as long as they wear their veils. Paul's instructions are contradictory, and they are NOT God's words. He makes that clear.
So, if the Bible flip-flops and shows that women CAN preach and says that they CAN'T, all you're left with is what the MEN in your church are telling you.
Thank you so much, this is so encouraging, may God continue to bless your family.
@saintmalaclypse3217 Scripture is clear about roles in church. You are mixing prescriptive categories with descriptive categories...God also used a donkey to show a man his error, are you suggesting we make donkeys speakers at church??? Too silly
@@saintmalaclypse3217 : you lost me with Bible flip flops, which it never does
second you said paul said it. Every scripture is inspired by God, so even though paul said it, God was the one who inspired it
Also Acts 18.26: Now he( apollos)began to speak boldly in the synagogue but when priscilla and Aquila heard it , they took him aside and explained to him
your argument would be more convincing if the Bible said, and then priscilla started a church of the corinthians and took leadership of it
Bible is not against woman praying ( talking to God for us and other people ) and prophesying ( talking to people about God)
when paul inspired by God said , women should wear head coverings , he was talking about the local corinthian custom.( he explicitly said maintain the traditions) it is still valid in middle eastern cultures now . i live in America and still wear a head covering , not because it is mandatory but because i want to do it
You know why that is different from telling that women should not take leadership. look at the reason behind. eve was the one tempted by satan first right. is that still valid today or did it change ?
Also phoebe a “servant” of the church of cencharae. why didn’t it say deacon or elder or pastor if she was the one going to take control of it. Don’t you think that bible would have been really clear of such important matters
But you can do you. Anyone like the above lady who knows exactly what scriptures means will never get swayed by false doctrine especially someone telling paul wrote it and not God .
Also can you show me the verse where paul makes it clear that these are his words and NOT Gods ? bevatse i never knew that
I grew up as a Southern Baptist. I left the Southern Baptist denomination 10 to 15 years ago. I will not go back. They are a an absolute dumpster fire
Hard NO on women leading n the church! We had VBS this week with well over 1,000 children hearing the gospel every day all day and it is always a LOT of work and so worth every minute. Women have a large role to play in the church with children and teens. Be happy with that! 🙂
the next generation of church members is probably the most crucial thing there is for the church... don't know why anyone would look down on possibly the hardest and most fulfilling job there possibly is. If people think that's an easy job, they are either deluded, or doing it very wrong.
Jesus taught us that to lead means washing everyone's feet, the top of the hierarchy is the one responsible for everyone and must serve for them to the point of sacrificing all that they are for those they lead. The nice place to be is actually at the bottom in the kingdom, the top gets harder and harder with more and more pain and stress. (at least on earth)
Too many see the top of the ladder as a place to aspire too, when the bottom is where the people kick back and have grapes fed to them...
Anyone that seeks power and control for the sake of power and control, shouldn't hold such a position.
Hear hear
I am a lifelong Methodist and have seen the damage done to our churches. We call them "church-killers". There is never any growth when the woman pastor comes and usually the church just goes down and down. The ladies might mean well, but they often have that "hear me roar" chip on their shoulder and it just kills everything God wants to do in the church. I have known hundreds of Methodist pastors, men and women, and I have yet to see a single example of effective ministry taking place in a church under a woman's pastoral leadership.
It isn’t a matter of being happy with that role, it is a matter of being in line with our most Holy God. Be firm SBC.
Blessings, debby
I'm old. So, I can remember a time when you could count on someone raised in the Southern Baptist tradition to be hands-down the most religiously conservative person in any room. Now, not so much. Sadly.
I can remember a time when we could count on the Baptist church to forbid slaves to marry.
@@dman7668the Southern Baptist Convention is the ONLY religious organization to PUBLICLY apologize for their support for slavery. Give them credit for acknowledging their historical role and seeking to set it right.
@@dman7668You're that old?
I am so old I can remember when our Southern Baptist neighbors were the most hateful toward Christians of any other denomination or stripe. Praying on their knees on Sunday and neighbors the rest of the week.
Just out of curiosity, how old are you?
‘wash , rinse , repeat’ I quote .
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Thank you so much brother Todd for your work of faith and your labour of love for Lord and His True sheep. So so grateful to Lord that He has raised you and your ministry and kept you faithful to keep teaching discernment and wisdom about The truth of Him and His Words and how we shall walk as a True Christian! Hallelujah.
As a SBC pastor for 36 years, my opinion does not matter. The authority of Scripture matters. The Bible is clear. The offices of pastor, elder and deacon is for men. If we stray from that, we stray from agreement with God and His Word. God is the creator of life and put Adam at the head of the family. Satan has been trying to overthrow God's plan since then. Satan will not relent from his sin. I will not relent from the truth of God's Word. Stay true or you will eat the forbidden fruit like Adam did. I am standing on God's Word. The roles were given to men by God. Stand strong on God's Word. Dr. Walter McCall.
Rom.16:1-2 I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a servant (the Greek word is διάκονον=deacon) of the church at Cenchreae, that you may welcome her in the Lord in a way worthy of the saints, and help her in whatever she may need from you, for she has been a patron of many and of myself as well.
@@glstka5710 Maybe but 1 Tim 3 speaks against it. I personally leave it up to churches to decide.
Oh, so now. Phoebe was a visiting pastor? I don’t get it.
The woman agrees with the Word of God also. “Husband of one wife”….
@@addjoaprekobaah5914 I just posted what Paul wrote. Whether you 'get it' is a different thing altogether.
Prayers from South Africa. Stand strong SBC.
How do these groups get around the command that a bishop be the "husband of one wife?"
Proverbs 16:18. Pride goeth before destruction and a haughty spirit before a fall.
In my church we ask that either heretics be driven out of the SBC or our church will leave the SBC.
Was it heretical for the SBC to refuse to Marry slaves?
@@dman7668 were those heretics driven out?
@@cloud1494 I am asking, was it a doctrine of demons in the Bible to forbid marriage? Did the Baptist church change its stance because of society or because of church doctrine?
We both know it did so based on SOCIETY.
@@dman7668many people through history did horrific things in the name of Christianity. The Catholics for a time believed native Americans weren’t even human and didn’t have souls. Remember Jews may have been Gods chosen people, but he also wiped a lot of them off the face of the planet for sinning against him. Remember
Mathew 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
Non of us are perfect and the main thing we should all be focusing on is the Bible and trying to do Gods will. what is going on with these modern churches is not biblical and scripture backs that up.
At my church, it depends on how much $ the heretics donate.
There will be a lot of "depart from me, I never knew you" declarations on that Great Day.
I am a Southern Baptist, and I am very concerned about two drifts in the SBC:
1) The drift toward having "studies" to decide if we are going to obey God.
2) The drift toward Reformed theology. We don't need anything re-formed. We just need to hold to the Word of God as He originally formed it.
I’m in the orthodox Presbyterian church and it’s amazing!! But we had to leave our last church after they hired a woman for their associate pastor. She is thinly vailed liberal, and my husband and I got out of there so fast. We love our OPC!
So my 6 year old son started watching this video behind me. I explained some of it....but when you said " put women's roles in a box nail it shut and burry it " He looked concerned. I explained to him that you weren't going to put "women in a box." He said to me, "Good cause their wouldn't be any babies."
From the mind of a 6 year old LOL
“Let’s have a discussion about ________”
Response: “Sure. Let’s just get out our Bibles”
Yup. Few are following the Spirit of the LIVING God and we know this because they believe His Word is a…book, and they believe their interpretation and understanding of that book is truth.
Silly kids🙄😂😇
@raerae4008 wait...are you saying we shouldn't trust the bible as God's Holy word ?
@@halffull5384 Im saying we should be trusting His Spirit to interpret the written words of dead men that we have constructed into books and claim to BE the Word of the Living God.
What IS the Word of our Creator? Cannot possibly be books full of written symbols as OUR words come out our mouths. I believe I am formed in the image and likeness of the Creator of all Life…do you? Or is your Gods word something made by the hands of men? What is the Book of Life my friend? Is that the bible for you?
@raerae4008 I think we should trust the word of God. The bible. Mormons think they've been confirmed by the Holy Spirit that the book of Mormon is the authority of God. Who's right ?
How do you know anything about God, Jesus , or the Holy Spirit If its not based on the Bible ?
@@raerae4008 Either the Bible is, as it is, 100% true, and 100% accurate; or it isn’t. There is no in between. There is no “letting the spirit interpret”, etc. Either the God who created the entire universe by speaking it into existence is also capable of making sure the Bible contain exactly the text He wanted and nothing more….or God doesn’t exist. The Bible itself says that it is the complete word of God. It says nothing is to be added to it, nor taken away. It also says it is the actual word of God. So again, either it’s true, or it isn’t.
You limiting God’s power by saying His word can’t possibly be written because our words come out of our mouths is blasphemy. God, Himself, said that His ways are not our ways and His thoughts are not our thoughts.
If you don’t accept the Bible as the truth (infallible), the whole truth (nothing can be added or taken away), and nothing but the truth; then you do not trust God and cannot be a Christian.
Liberalism does not win by persuasion; it wins by persistence. Stay true, SBC, and don't let them chip away at Biblical authority.
Rick Warren threw the gauntlet down at last year's convention. He directly challenged us to accept egalitarian baptists. We answered with a resounding "no!" Disfellowshiping Saddleback and passing the Law amendment, requiring that churches employee only biblically qualified men as any kind of pastor. The only reason this is still an issue is that constitutional amendments must be passed by supermajority at 2 consecutive conventions. I'm confident we'll do the right thing once again and ratify the amendment.
Rick Warren is to be marked and avoided. His teachings are heretical. Ephesians 5:11
What would that mean for it to get passed?
@@ZachFish- That churches who employ female pastors (including associate pastors) are no longer considered to be in friendly cooperation with the SBC and can no longer be represented by messengers at the annual meetings.
@@ZachFish- That the denomination follows the biblical and historical mandate, the truth they understand the scriptures teach and what has been practiced in the SBC since 1845. This will put them at odds with other denominations, likely becoming the most conservative while still upholding the values and relationships between men, women and the church in the most historical biblical manner, while secularism infects and spreads through other denominations. The warnings and rebukes in the first few chapters of Revelation are at stake.
@@SpaceCadet4Jesus Yes, but is it something that can be changed fairly easily if another two conventions says otherwise?
When the people of God don't grow (spiritually), their actions will show. It is easier to just give in to the world, and go with the flow than to go against the flow and do what it Biblical and right.
Salvation is free, but living in that salvation costs your entire life. People want what is easy, not that which demands everything.
You are correct. I am a SBC pastor and my family left the UMC in 1968 because of liberalism. This is indeed a "liberal playbook"! I have never heard it said so succinctly. I am extremely concerned. Yes it is rooted in feminism and it has been working for a century now.
My pastor was Brother Cliff Palmer of FBC in Springdale, AR back in 70’s. He was integral in FBCC. I NEVER THOUGHT ID SEE THE DAY BAPTISTS WENT PROGRESSIVE! Ppl, we are the generation of the fig tree, the generation that shall not pass! Get these wolves out of our churches! Pray w out ceasing, stay in repentance & LETS GET BUSY SPREADING THE GOSPEL! Women are not to be pastors, if men are head of household, how would that translate to women running the church? lgbtq has no place of exaltation in our hallowed halls!
Cliff Palmer was my grandma’s pastor in Cleveland ok and he was my intrerim pastor at First Baptist Church Euless Tx, he was truly a hero of the faith I wish there were men like him still around along with Manley Beasley, Adrian Rogers, Bailey Smith, and others that have gone on to be with the Lord. I am thankful that Tom Elliff, Ruffin Snow, Jimmy Draper are still with us. They are the example of true leadership. Jesus though is our supreme example leadership.
When I was a member of the episcopal church, not only did they allow women priests and ordained deacons, and same-sex marriages, but ordained a gay bishop who was actively practicing homosexuality and was "married" to another man. Previously non-practicing homosexuals were allowed to priest, but they took even that stricture away. The last time I attended (towards the end of the pandemic) the service was so pandering to the government and so left-wing, I was nauseated. Shortly after that I was invited to an event at a tiny SB church and started attending the next day. I love it, and I was a life-long liberal! Thank you for saving me, Jesus!
Women's role in the church? The Bible is pretty straight forward about it. Here's an idea, women want a role in the church...? Train them to be teachers. Christian teachers. Start Christian school within the church. Education was at one time left to families or the church. It should be that way again.
Well, when everyone has authority to interpret scripture if they own a copy of the bible, who has authority to say whose interpretation is better then anybody else's?
The same way an Australian, an American, a British, or any other nation that speaks English can communicate and understand each other because languages fundamentally are governed by rules that help in communication. Even before Peter came along, Babel had happened. The Bible was written in certain languages and the only way we can understand and accept what it says is when we have the Holy Spirit. Are you saying the Pope or the RC now dispenses the Holy Spirit? Or that in the RC there is universal agreement without the threat of anathema? It is such a tired silly line to think because we have denominations we can’t understand the Bible at it’s basis. Go read history, many popes and priest had no idea of what scripture taught. Only repeating tired lines they’ve rehearsed. Away with your one universal church theory not backed by scripture. Hopefully we meet in heaven. Thank goodness the pope is not the one handling the Book of Life. Jesus is. And he’s no RC.
@addjoaprekobaah5914 This doesn't answer my question, who has authority to say whose interpretation of the bible is more authorative then anybody elses?
Scripture literally teaches that women are NOT to teach. Men are called to keep and guard prefall, and this includes theology.
As a strong Sovereign Grace Baptist woman it pains me to say it but Satan has been using women for his purposes since the garden of Eden and it’s no different now
Thank you for posting this I’m Southern Baptist and I’m sharing this video with everyone to pray against this disease.
I’m so happy that my little non affiliated Baptist Church has a wonderful Pastor who faithfully preaches the gospel. This will never happen when I worship.
Amen sister......SBC long ago lost their way......when you impose a government on Jesus' church you have already gone astray
As a former United Methodist, you are not wrong.
Same
Well Said! Nice Work! Wretched Rocks!
I grew up in UMC and joined the SBC in 2011 in part because of my conviction on baptism. The issue of homosexuality came up every general conference, every 4 years. The church never reversed course but never definitively dealt with it and it finally forced the split that we've seen and the shell of the UMC that is left passing the resolutions destroying biblical fidelity.
May the SBC deal with this issue of biblical clarity now and not go down that path
Problem not addressed by most churches: the curse of Eve, which is to control the man, while leaving him completely accountable. Though the man may try push blame onto the woman, he, and everyone else, knows that the responsibility is ultimately his. It’s the sin nature that we are all born into.
Malarkey, it's the curse of all humankind....Adam ate the apple too my friend!
@@k.popper2620 What'd you do, just read a couple words then comment? He literally wrote "Though the man may try push blame onto the woman, he, and everyone else, knows that the responsibility is ultimately his."
Again who cursed Eve to control the man?
@@SpaceCadet4Jesus God cursed Eve and Adam both for daring to fall for the trap He set in the Garden.
That'd be like me punishing a fish who dared to bite my baited hook.
The playbook is : you not doing what I say ia offensive, racist or whatever word they can offend you
I think The apostle Paul was right The reason for not have women in leadership is because the woman “eve” was the one deceived and satan know that.
A woman[a] should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;[b] she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.
The first step is a role of women against Gods will. The next step is looking at the forbidden fruit (such as gay marriage) and saying: this fruit looks good: "love is love", " it is relationship of love and faithfulness"
My Th.M. thesis was on critiquing the pro-gay hermeneutic in Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 . The same hermeneutic that is used to promote women elders is the same hermeneutic that was then used to promote lgbt in the church. In a majority of cases, when a church or denomination caves on the issue of women as pastors, it isn't too long before they begin justifying homosexuality. At its core, the issue begins with an erosion of biblical authority, which then influences their hermeneutic so that Sola Scriptura becomes Sola Cultura.
If I could be in Indy I would be voting for David Allen for president. David and I met at Criswell College while Dr. Criswell was still pastor at FBC Dallas and Paige Patterson was president of the college, and we have been friends for 40 years. David was the Dean of the School of Theology at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary while Dr. Patterson was president. We could not find a man who is more committed to the inerrancy of God's Word and the clear preaching of it than David. I'm praying he is elected president and the "Law Amendment" is passed for the second time, which makes it a permanent change to the bylaws.
Conversation, I remember reading about adam and eve having 'just a conversation' in some garden long, llong ago.
You mean Adam and Steve?
I’m I’m total agreement, Todd. Thank you, thank you, for bringing this to our attention!
Sent as Messengers from our church to the SBC IN Orlando im 2000, we voted on this issue that leadership offices would be male based on Scripture. You’re right! These liberals are like boomerangs…they just keep coming back! Please, SBC, stand firm.
Well said Mr Friel. The pressure to give up Christian convictions in the name of tolerance and love seems to be a drug many denominations have swallowed and are now dying from the after effects. Lord have mercy🙏
Love. You mean lust. 😉
@@SpaceCadet4Jesus Yup, "Living in Love and Faith, or, as I like to call it, Living in Lust and Fornication, its Heresy and Sin People!" -the Reverend Brett Murphy.
Leaving for the SBC tomorrow. Please pray that the Law Amendment passes!
The Bible: It’s either the word of God, or it isn’t.
Well, this isn't about whether or not the word of God is the bible. This is about interpretation. And since sola scripture means all believers interpret the Bible that means they all are equally valid in their views so long as they have a Bible passage they can "back it with"😊
@@dman7668One scripture does not create a precedence nor does it create a doctrine. The discussion has to go much deeper and wider than simply proffering a scripture by a lay person.
You're certainly allowed to have a personal interpretation which will change as you grow in the faith, but that interpretation isn't sufficient enough to direct an entire body in matters in faith and practice.
The debate has been going on for 40 years. It's best to look into the pros and cons as presented in those arguments, instead of your own personal interpretation, however well-meaning.
@@dman7668 Anyone can take a few scripture from the Bible and twist it like Satan this is not the Bible or God's word, but just another religious denomination creating their own religion to suit their purpose.
@SpaceCadet4Jesus OH yeah I completely agree, but the reality is with Sola scripture being the highest authority there is no other way for Christians to adjudicate these issues once you have rejected the teaching authority of the Catholic Church. It becomes a free for all.
@@dman7668 and it is a free for all for there are over 45,000 religious denominations out there but only one word. And I mean no offence but it is the church that started religion down this path back in the first four centuries. And some of what is in early church records show that the church exceeded their authority in changes of time and law only because they did not want to be associated with the Jews. So to me there is no religious denomination that I support for all in one place or another in their church doctrines goes against God's word and if God's word is truth then they do not fully follow truth.
It’s why I just joined a PCA church. My solid pastor was retiring and with the Southern Baptist I couldn’t. I said I I knew the guy who was young and preaching at the Presbyterian Church across the way. I said he’s more aligned with my views so I had our family go there and it’s been great more seriousness everythingnow I was southern Baptist for many years. I just couldn’t trust it was the way things were going after my pastor retired
My son attends a United Methodist Church. He said the church has almost no one left. He said the lgbtq...came in with the intent to destroy the church. They accomplished it, and they don't attend
Prayers for the SBC
I agree with you Todd. The SBC needs to pull all the way to the right and elect Dusty Deevers for President. He’ll fix the leftys in one swooping motion.
One advantage of having an infallible magesterium over the protestant Churches is that truth can change on a vote. Literally.
I don't remember anything about electing a president in Matthew 16:18-19 when Jesus said he would build his Church on Peter. Y'know, the Church that still exists today and has NOTHING to do with the SBC?
Thanks for helping us see how far some have compromised over time to accommodate a culture which does not value biblical truths.
The apostle Paul said that all things are lawful but not all things are permissible. All things are lawful but not all things edify.
Pray hard!! We must stand on the Word at all costs. How the words of Jesus have come true in our lifetime! When the Son of Man returns, will He find faith on the earth? May we be found among the faithful!
As written 'a little leaven leavens the whole lump'.
I say thank you again for your obedience to make this video and thank you Lord for making this the first thing I’ve seen when I opened RUclips this morning.
My late grandfather was a Methodist minister. I know that if were still on this side, he would strongly disapprove of, not only the direction his denomination went, he'd take the same stance towards the direction of the Baptist and Southern Baptist as well as other denominations.
Women have such a huge calling in the church! Women are called to teach younger women, and children. Who are 98% of children's ministry teachers? women! Who are the ones mostly doing the "soft" social compassion-driven outreaches? Women. Why seek the pulpit, when there is so much more work where women's inherent abilities are needed? I can tell you what it is; pride! it's pride nothing more.
For the CRC, Synod is discussing redefining marriage. The next one is this month. They fought it off laat year but it is coming up again. Pray that they stand firm.
Redefine marriage, redefine sexuality, redefine identity, redefine sin, redefine obedience, is a redefined faith. Let's just call the Bible, the Holy Blubble.
Excellent presentation and thanks for sharing.
Very good reporting. Thank you for making.
The church is being sifted. The Holy Spirit is preparing His church for underground operation when the persecution comes full force.
Christ warned us of false prophets, personal interpretation and change for times aren’t options when it comes to the Bible.
To begin, I'm a woman. That said the easiest way to make me run from your church 1) allow women in leadership in the church, this includes ministers, elders or any other roll the bibles excludes them from. 2) Inclusiveness of homosexuality, not saying a practicing homosexuals can't attend services this is the 1st step for them to receive conviction. 3) Not preaching about sin and repentance. 4) Any other practices that goes against sound doctrine. 11:03
Love that RC comment "what is wrong with you??" 😂
Learn the definition of "Community Organizing" and "Community Organizer" , what they do and stand for , and then you will understand what has been going on in various denominations for decades. Now the SBC is in their sights.
Women can wait for the Lord's return to have a role. Jesus will straighten it out and we will all know how we should live. Until then, I'd rather be a servant of the Most High than gratify the flesh.
We do have a role in the church...teaching children and other women.
And it's a very important role @@dianefeack57. God bless you.
In the New Testament, Priscilla took Apollo aside and taught him. I'm pretty sure they could have found a man to do that. It was deemed important enough information to be recorded though. I highly doubt it was the only instance.
Women were an integral part of historic Judaism as prophets, and had many roles in the New Testament Church, including assisting the apostles in the proclamation of the Gospel, day and night. It was likely to be more of a supportive role than a teaching role, but obviously teaching was not out of the question when it was necessary.
Roman and Jewish society, not to mention others, had clear delineation of male and female roles. That acceptance and understanding was a huge part of the fabric of their society, whether they followed the biblical laws or not . Slavery was also an important economical factor in these societies, not condemned by scripture, and laws were made for the equitable treatment of slaves, or the indentured.
In the 21st "Gentile" society where we live, our social structure isn't as strictly delineated and each gender can take up a cross role without issues, based on their personal preferences and situation.
Also our society is not based upon Old Testament laws, nor do we understand or practice the social policy of temporal indebted servitude or slavery. We live differently, then the Israelis, the Romans, the Greeks, the Assyrians, the Mesopotamians, the Babylonians, etc..
It's up to us to decide how we're going to live in accordance with what we believe the scriptures teach us for our day and time. Whatever we choose, should be done in faith, holiness and the desire to serve our Lord.
@@SpaceCadet4Jesus : if you are talking Acts 18.26, doesn’t it mention that aquila and priscilla took him aside and expounded the scriptures ?
@@rebat7564 Almost. In every mention of their name, Priscilla was named first. What meaning that has I cannot conjecture and they are always named together, kinda like my wife and I. When you talk about one you're talking about the other, because we are a very tight unit. That's what it reminds me of.
My post wasn't "only Priscilla taught" to the exclusion of her husband.
It's interesting how Satan has not changed his ways since the beginning of time. He always seems to use the same tactics which he did with Eve to go against the word of God. "Did God REALLY say?" The slithering serpent used the slippery slope tactic to deceive Eve, and Adam gives in to Eve which brings forth sin and the fall of man. Adam and Eve should have said what Jesus said when tempted by the devil while fasting in the wilderness. Jesus repeatedly quoted Scripture and proceeded to rebuke the devil. That is a great lesson for all of us. The Scripture is crystal clear on the women's role in a church. God did not make vague and obscure for good reason. But man in his sinfulness and pride will not accept the authority and perspicuity of God's word. We must not go along with the cultural winds of our times, try to somehow fit God's word into this culture and not expect to drift into apostasy. God's word is and should be the final authority, or else we make ourselves and the culture to be "god" which is idolatry.
Women cannot be pastors or husbands. And Rick Warren should have been thrown out of the SBC 20 years before his grand standing !!!!!!
same ol' lie Did God really say?...the moment you stop listening to the Word of God revealed in the scriptures, you're pretty much done, you'll end up with a community centre, not a church!
That's what Satan did to Eve he had a discussion first
Thank you for your posts. keep the armor on.
Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord
This is so crazy. Everyone is just holding their breath wondering if SBC is going to go totally wokety-woke like all the rest.....
They already have. Nobody is required to follow the SBC. It's a toothless authority. That's the problem with the entire reformation. I keep trying to explain to my fellow Protestants this. The reformation isn't working. Time to go be a Catholic again.
I don’t know what is meant by “voting outside your comfort zone and pull right”. Vote for what the Bible actually says. That’s it. And don’t let the culture sway you. That’s it.
Excellent points, Todd!
I've been watching this going on for over 50 years. A long, lonely fight.
Man I hope the PCA doesn’t give into this either!
I’m PCA and my pastor says that younger pastors are leaning more liberal. Pray it doesn’t happen !
Same thing happening in Pentecostal churches. 😢
Good news! They picked a VERY Conservative, Biblical, Alpha Pastor to be the president!
Things are going to be GREAT!
Hope to see an update from you guys!
"Like Kudzu" love it. I am using this from now on😂
Romans 12:2
Don't let the world press you into it's own mold
Women can be doctors,lawyers, engineers, nurses, ambassadors,etc. The Bible forbids women from pastoring.
Well, who is to say I can't interpret the Bible differently then you? As long as I adhere to the bible as the highest authority it's okay for me to interpret it this way.
The question of whether the Bible forbids women from being pastors is a topic of theological debate and interpretation. I will list some passages in the Bible that are often cited in discussions about this issue.
1 Timothy 2:12 states, “I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.” This verse is frequently referenced by those who believe that the Bible prohibits women from serving as pastors, while others say it's only Timothy's social environment and personal belief.
However, other passages suggest that women have played significant roles in ministry and leadership within the early church.
For example, Acts 2:17-18 mentions that God will pour out His Spirit on all people, and Acts 21:9 describes Priscilla teaching Apollos, an eloquent speaker and well versed in the Scriptures. Although Priscilla wasn't a pastor she did teach a man the finer ways of God. I'm sure this wasn't an isolated incident as it gathered enough importance to be recorded.
1 Corinthians 14:34-35 also mentions that women should keep silent in the churches and not teach or assume authority over a man. Again, opponents say this is a command based on the OT law and on the social structure in place at the time. Women can't even speak in church is not viewpoint many can swallow.
On the other hand, Galatians 3:28 states, “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” This verse is often interpreted to mean that all believers have equal status in Christ, which some argue includes the right to serve as pastors.
Personally I'll accept which way the SBC goes.
My aunt was a God-fearing pastor for over 50 years, teaching the poor with her husband who was also a pastor. They were never wealthy, always serving, and always preaching the pure milk of the Word. After my uncle and aunt died, their son continued as the new pastor serving the same poor community.
I also knew other women teachers through the years, but these were old school Godly women whom the men definitely could learn a thing or two. In my opinion God anointed their Ministry and lives because they were not seeking the world's Goods but rather the holiness that comes from Walking With Jesus.
@@dman7668 : you could interpret the Bible differently from another person
But one of you will be wrong
Because the Holy Spirit is not the authour of confusion and because the Bible is inspired by the Holy Spirit there will be only one interpretation, the correct one.
It is better as we read the scriptures to ask the Holy Spirit for His leading, with the sincere prayer that we understand the scripture as He meant when He inspired it
@@rebat7564 How do you determine who has the Holy Spirit and who does in interpreting the Bible?
Also. If the Baptist Church says the Holy Spirit guides them to say we cannot baptize infants, but the Lutherans, Catholics, and Anglicans do teach the Holy Spirit is guiding them to say we can baptize infants, is the majority interpretation then correct or is the baptist Church being guided by the Holy Spirit then Reba?
@@dman7668 : the Holy spirit is in every true believer and if you sincerely believe He is powerful and if you earnestly seek Him, He will be very clear. God is not an author of confusion ( I corinthians 14.33). If we say He cannot we acknowledge He is not powerful
Hebrews 10:31. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Amen. Thank you.
It's interesting to note that the denominations that gone to basically apostasy and liberalism are the ones that were first more liberal minded than other doctrines. The churches that Paul rebuked.
When women enter the pulpit, parishoners exit the pews. You can debate why, but you can't debate facts: as soon as a denomination accepts these liberal ideas, it begins a RAPID and PROFOUND decline. That correlation is far too strong & widespread to dismiss as coincidence.
The first slippery slope was to do with transubstantiation 500 odd years ago.
Sin in the garden of Eden started with a conversation.