Am I the only one impressed by the fact that despite not having a headlight on, the auto-labeler figured out that motorcycle was there before it even showed up on the video? (Love the videos! I hope I get to test 10.5 tonight)
Thank you for putting out the video and taking some time to edit in the FF at stop lights. I wish all other tester publishers would adopt this same convention. *cough* John Locke *cough* 😅
I agree, Frenchie - this new FSD Beta 10.5 release has been a step-change from earlier versions - it's really cool to see the improvements like this, which are much more obvious when you're in the car versus watching a fun video like yours - I think we'll reach level 3 within the next 12 months and then (hopefully!) level 4 about 12 months after that - exciting times! Thanks for all your great videos and commentary!
How would FSD reach 'level 3' when they aren't trying to build a level-3 system? Same with level 4, why do you think FSD will someday be level 4? They say they are going for L5 only.
Hmmm, heading down the wrong side of the road and having a head on collision should be a top priority bug fix. It’s been doing this for months. Cmon Tesla! Great video as always Frenchie. 👍🏼
Seems like the car is not able to pick up the yellow median lines when it's stopped at the intersection (maybe because it blends in with the asphalt a bit too much due to the lighting). This makes the path planning think it's turning onto a one way road and hence it aims for the middle of the road.
Pretty good handling the intersection of Hubbard and Ashland. I don't like intersections like that myself but it's good that you tested FSD on it. We need to know it can handle that.
5:07 That's a pretty gnarly visualization -- headed right towards a truck! I guess the FSD visualizations only have one size for a truck? Cause the car didn't hesitate at all, it just drove straight through the *visualized* truck.
@@SuperDraupnir Then what's the point? The visualization is the programs best way of communicating with the driver. Discrepancies between what the car tells you it's doing and what it's actually doing can be very dangerous.
Looking good except that one disengagement, which is clearly reproducible (a good thing). Looking forward to more like downtown Chicago. Thanks once again Frenchie! 🙏
Your thumbnail shows a tighter turn (appearing to go into the oncoming lane) versus the traditional over-arcing turn. I thought that was an actual "upgrade" to FSD that I heard from another RUclipsr. So that turn was intentional? Any comments from anyone else would help. Thanks. (Geeky note/observation/guess) the tighter turn also gives the front sensors a better view "sooner" of what is to come into the "early part of the" turn that the traditional over-arcing turn where it cannot see "into" the turn as well or as early. I believe the logic in programming that way was one of the reasons. Also it may only do it "once at the introduction to a new intersection" for "initial/quality" data collection. Again, feedback is great...love this Tesla stuff.
I actually tried that turn before and it turns into oncoming traffic. So I now take over very quickly to not end up driving on the wrong side of the road.
@@jakesta11 The visualization is just to look cool. It is a summary/approximation of what the network actually seems. They use the same asset for all large vans/trucks/semis.
Good video! Hmmm, seemed to be a rolling stop at the first stop sign? Could result in a ticket... Will Tesla pay for the ticket? And when you had the car come in front of you, just prior to that, there was a stopped moving truck on the side of the road. The visualization had it in front of you... So somehow the car knew the visualization was wrong since it didn't break? Hopefully FSD will improve at 4-way stops. Perhaps this would qualify under "assertive" driving, but technically, you don't need to wait until the previous car has completely cleared the intersection before proceeding. If the car is coming from the right and going straight or turning left, it only needs to be beyond half-way through the intersection for it to be clear for you. Also, regarding the difficult intersection, hopefully the routing logic knows how long on average it takes to get through the intersection and would consider to route you another way. Without AI, I will often do that as consideration for my route, so AI should do it as well. Not only is it time-consuming but it is also a riskier intersection for a potential accident.
@@FrenchieFSD Right, but I'm not sure the best way to confirm because as you've said, it "feels" like the car has stopped.. I've heard that police using cameras check the wheels to see if the car has really stopped. That is, I've been given a ticket by mail because of cameras which check if cars have come to a full stop for right turn on red and I heard they are checking by looking at the wheels.
@@brillest Yikes! Sorry about the ticket. I was thinking about doing the same. Maybe put a camera on tripod at a stop sign and let the car go through that intersection with different settings. I live in Chicago so I'm not really sure I want to leave my GoPro unintended...
10.5 is crazy. It seems to work best in cities. It is completely unusable for me in a more rural setting though. It hugs the center line and is constantly phantom breaking while driving on single lane state roads.
They really need an ‘average speed’ setting where it sets your speed limit to the speed of cars on that road averaged over time accumulated by all Tesla’s that drove the road
I was driving down a divided side road which is actually pretty wide. Beta 10.5 then decided to rapidly swerve right directly towards parked cars. What was it thinking.
Not sure if I read this correctly but 20 hours ago someone marked that street as “2 lanes”. History doesn’t show lanes at all. Maybe that will fix it moving forward
Agreed, this is true of those of use driving with assistance and those of us driving without assistance. Always keep your hands on the wheel and remain attentive.
OK so around 13:25 we see that FSD 10.5 can't handle a left turn onto Ashland Avenue. FSD would be great if it were not for all those pesky other cars!
If you continued watching, you would see that 10.5 did handle a left on Ashland. I live off Ashland and give FSD a LOT of opportunities to safely cross and turn left on Ashland. It's not as confident as a human (or, maybe just not as gutsy) but is able to do it.
@@notacapulet I did continue watching...the car waited through an entire cycle of traffic signals and finally moved on the second cycle. Nobody in real life and especially the drivers behind that waiting Tesla are going to take kindly to so much caution. One sees incremental improvements in FSD with each 10.x, but for practical high-density city driving in Chicago or any other big city (Manhattan, Paris, Rome, Berlin...) it is not yet ready for the big leagues; and, extrapolating the observed, present incremental progress into the future, will not be for quite some time.
@@notacapulet I think we might see in the future more differentiated profiles: one for suburban environments, one for principally highway driving, one for city-center congestion. That is just pure speculation, but I have great difficulty seeing a "one-size-fits-all" solution to this incredibly difficult problem. The bitter truth is that artificial intelligence, as it is presently implemented in FSD, does not really mimic how humans are cognizant of their environnement. Maybe I'm wrong, and would love to be...I'm a Tesla owner and rooting for the company; but I'm dubious that FSD is converging toward a "set it and forget it" level 5 autonomy.
Not at all an improvement imho… mine changed into right lane of 3 lanes less then 200ft before an intersection where it had to make a left turn at with only 1 turning lane and full of cars.
Totally anecdotal, but I've found that new versions require a restart and some driving before settling into peak performance. 10.5 has been a huge step forward (with the exception of way too much caution around VRUs.)
@@notacapulet and if you pause the video the tentacle at one moment lands directly on the biker and it still attempts the same path... And if you don't believe me give me your email and I'll send you the image
How else are we gonna find, report and fix the edge case scenarios like that? It was never unsafe, as the driver is always in control if it does something wrong.
Let's talk about the 20,160 people killed by human drivers in USA in the first six months of the year. This car is actively supervised by a tested driver to correct it if it tries to make a mistake while it improves.
Am I the only one impressed by the fact that despite not having a headlight on, the auto-labeler figured out that motorcycle was there before it even showed up on the video?
(Love the videos! I hope I get to test 10.5 tonight)
Thanks for bringing this video out Frenchie! I’m loving this release. Congrats on the new addition to your family ❤️
Thanks Brandon! First impression of 10.5 is pretty good. I'll have to ask lil' Frenchie what he thinks 👶
@@FrenchieFSD Congrats!
Hi Brandon, I am waiting for your video
Thank you for putting out the video and taking some time to edit in the FF at stop lights. I wish all other tester publishers would adopt this same convention. *cough* John Locke *cough* 😅
I agree, Frenchie - this new FSD Beta 10.5 release has been a step-change from earlier versions - it's really cool to see the improvements like this, which are much more obvious when you're in the car versus watching a fun video like yours - I think we'll reach level 3 within the next 12 months and then (hopefully!) level 4 about 12 months after that - exciting times! Thanks for all your great videos and commentary!
How would FSD reach 'level 3' when they aren't trying to build a level-3 system? Same with level 4, why do you think FSD will someday be level 4?
They say they are going for L5 only.
Hmmm, heading down the wrong side of the road and having a head on collision should be a top priority bug fix. It’s been doing this for months. Cmon Tesla! Great video as always Frenchie. 👍🏼
Seems like the car is not able to pick up the yellow median lines when it's stopped at the intersection (maybe because it blends in with the asphalt a bit too much due to the lighting). This makes the path planning think it's turning onto a one way road and hence it aims for the middle of the road.
probably it's a navigator issue
My solution would be a “Keep Right HyperParameter” unless overridden by vision.
Rolling the stop sign and going for head on collision on the wrong side of the road sounds like we are not going to see FSD this year.
@@liimatankari who ever said FSD could go out of beta in 1 month?
Pretty good handling the intersection of Hubbard and Ashland. I don't like intersections like that myself but it's good that you tested FSD on it. We need to know it can handle that.
5:07 That's a pretty gnarly visualization -- headed right towards a truck! I guess the FSD visualizations only have one size for a truck? Cause the car didn't hesitate at all, it just drove straight through the *visualized* truck.
The visualization isnt what it really sees (as you can imagine).
@@SuperDraupnir Then what's the point? The visualization is the programs best way of communicating with the driver. Discrepancies between what the car tells you it's doing and what it's actually doing can be very dangerous.
Looking good except that one disengagement, which is clearly reproducible (a good thing).
Looking forward to more like downtown Chicago.
Thanks once again Frenchie! 🙏
at 5:10 your car drove through a truck like a ghost. Now that is some advanced tech.
Thank you for the upload, look forward to the next video.
Great job finding that. This is what beta testers do, to find mistakes and bugs that need to be fixed.
My go to channel for fsd beta
Thanks for your efforts
Thank you Frenchie! You are restoring my faith in FSD coming to fruition! Love your HD Camera! Very clear! Can’t wait for beta! 💎🙌😎🇨🇦TESLA
Your thumbnail shows a tighter turn (appearing to go into the oncoming lane) versus the traditional over-arcing turn. I thought that was an actual "upgrade" to FSD that I heard from another RUclipsr. So that turn was intentional? Any comments from anyone else would help. Thanks.
(Geeky note/observation/guess) the tighter turn also gives the front sensors a better view "sooner" of what is to come into the "early part of the" turn that the traditional over-arcing turn where it cannot see "into" the turn as well or as early. I believe the logic in programming that way was one of the reasons. Also it may only do it "once at the introduction to a new intersection" for "initial/quality" data collection. Again, feedback is great...love this Tesla stuff.
I actually tried that turn before and it turns into oncoming traffic. So I now take over very quickly to not end up driving on the wrong side of the road.
Dude what awesome HD camera did you cover this RUclips feed? The quality is great!🙀
On the roof I have a GoPro 8 Black. The visualization is coming directly from the car screen. I added a HDMI port to the car screen.
thank you for adding the timestamps!!!!!!
yes, 10.5 seems to be an improvement. Thank you Brandon.
he is Frenchie
Chicago? You’re brave to be parked on the side of the road like that at night. Stay safe out there, brother! Nice video!
I know. Scary! I rarely do night drives.
Why is that?
Why? What could happen?
@@SuperDraupnir Car jacking :(
Thanks Frenchie. Very encouraging
Vraiment super!
Love those videos!
Merci!
12:22 love how you try to hide your Starfleet Communicator from us. 🧐
shhhhh that's tech is not for 2021 yet. Patience my friend!
Great video. At 5:11 the display show the car driving through a truck, that was not there.
It's superhuman, it sees things we can't
Hah, it's just that the model assets for cars, trucks etc don't change size for the actual size of the detected vehicle.
This shows how worthless the viz is... And how you can never trust it. Otherwise it should be slamming the brakes
@@jakesta11 The visualization is just to look cool. It is a summary/approximation of what the network actually seems. They use the same asset for all large vans/trucks/semis.
@@nzer19 they have other priorities but its near perfekt and looks insane
Good video! Hmmm, seemed to be a rolling stop at the first stop sign? Could result in a ticket... Will Tesla pay for the ticket? And when you had the car come in front of you, just prior to that, there was a stopped moving truck on the side of the road. The visualization had it in front of you... So somehow the car knew the visualization was wrong since it didn't break? Hopefully FSD will improve at 4-way stops. Perhaps this would qualify under "assertive" driving, but technically, you don't need to wait until the previous car has completely cleared the intersection before proceeding. If the car is coming from the right and going straight or turning left, it only needs to be beyond half-way through the intersection for it to be clear for you. Also, regarding the difficult intersection, hopefully the routing logic knows how long on average it takes to get through the intersection and would consider to route you another way. Without AI, I will often do that as consideration for my route, so AI should do it as well. Not only is it time-consuming but it is also a riskier intersection for a potential accident.
I'll be honest, when driving it feels that the stops are ok but I would need to do more testing to make sure the car is indeed fully stopping.
@@FrenchieFSD Right, but I'm not sure the best way to confirm because as you've said, it "feels" like the car has stopped.. I've heard that police using cameras check the wheels to see if the car has really stopped. That is, I've been given a ticket by mail because of cameras which check if cars have come to a full stop for right turn on red and I heard they are checking by looking at the wheels.
@@brillest Yikes! Sorry about the ticket. I was thinking about doing the same. Maybe put a camera on tripod at a stop sign and let the car go through that intersection with different settings. I live in Chicago so I'm not really sure I want to leave my GoPro unintended...
:fingerscrossed:, seems like it might roll out to us 98ers!
10.5 is crazy. It seems to work best in cities. It is completely unusable for me in a more rural setting though. It hugs the center line and is constantly phantom breaking while driving on single lane state roads.
interesting. It was definitely the opposite before. Maybe 10.6 will solve both environments!
The camera button is your friend. Disengagements are not necessarily getting uploaded.
Yeah it is getting alot better very close to level 3 now.
They really need an ‘average speed’ setting where it sets your speed limit to the speed of cars on that road averaged over time accumulated by all Tesla’s that drove the road
The bike that you took over for had a stop sign.
How you get video from touch panel Tesla?
Modified car screen with HDMI output
How often to you need to nudge the wheel?
Nudge the wheel to let the system know that I'm paying attention is approx every 30 sec
I was driving down a divided side road which is actually pretty wide. Beta 10.5 then decided to rapidly swerve right directly towards parked cars. What was it thinking.
If you look on open street maps, is that road mapped as a one way road?
Not sure if I read this correctly but 20 hours ago someone marked that street as “2 lanes”. History doesn’t show lanes at all. Maybe that will fix it moving forward
no updates with the emergency vehicle lights?
Not that I saw. Maybe in future releases
Bro, we cannot read through that small window of release notes :)
Ahaha true. There are plenty of screenshots on Twitter though
A fed ex truck was driving towards me and my car freaked out and then I freaked out and then realized it’s almost thanks giving wow
Haha best comment ever!
Can you see how FSD does on LSD?
I've done it with previous versions and it was doing quite well. I can try it again. Need to find some time though :(
Does fine on LSD. AutoPilot takes over and that's pretty well-baked by now.
No psychedelics while using FSD beta. Hands on 10 and 2
@@BoeingPrototype haha
that stop sign on the other side of the road has no business being there, probably overly enthusiastic people at the traffic administration
Just one mistake can kill someone
Agreed, this is true of those of use driving with assistance and those of us driving without assistance. Always keep your hands on the wheel and remain attentive.
OK so around 13:25 we see that FSD 10.5 can't handle a left turn onto Ashland Avenue. FSD would be great if it were not for all those pesky other cars!
If you continued watching, you would see that 10.5 did handle a left on Ashland. I live off Ashland and give FSD a LOT of opportunities to safely cross and turn left on Ashland. It's not as confident as a human (or, maybe just not as gutsy) but is able to do it.
@@notacapulet I did continue watching...the car waited through an entire cycle of traffic signals and finally moved on the second cycle. Nobody in real life and especially the drivers behind that waiting Tesla are going to take kindly to so much caution. One sees incremental improvements in FSD with each 10.x, but for practical high-density city driving in Chicago or any other big city (Manhattan, Paris, Rome, Berlin...) it is not yet ready for the big leagues; and, extrapolating the observed, present incremental progress into the future, will not be for quite some time.
@@notacapulet I think we might see in the future more differentiated profiles: one for suburban environments, one for principally highway driving, one for city-center congestion. That is just pure speculation, but I have great difficulty seeing a "one-size-fits-all" solution to this incredibly difficult problem. The bitter truth is that artificial intelligence, as it is presently implemented in FSD, does not really mimic how humans are cognizant of their environnement. Maybe I'm wrong, and would love to be...I'm a Tesla owner and rooting for the company; but I'm dubious that FSD is converging toward a "set it and forget it" level 5 autonomy.
This is one poorly designed intersection ~10:00
Not at all an improvement imho… mine changed into right lane of 3 lanes less then 200ft before an intersection where it had to make a left turn at with only 1 turning lane and full of cars.
Totally anecdotal, but I've found that new versions require a restart and some driving before settling into peak performance. 10.5 has been a huge step forward (with the exception of way too much caution around VRUs.)
It's not a silly mistake. It's dangerous and shows the absolute confusion that the software currently instills in the driver on every turn
That one turn was not good. The rest were great. 10.5 is a huge step forward.
@@notacapulet one turn into wrong lane is a potentially devastating mistake so no, not going to agree with you
@@notacapulet and if you pause the video the tentacle at one moment lands directly on the biker and it still attempts the same path... And if you don't believe me give me your email and I'll send you the image
@@jakesta11 Yes, which is why it is actively supervised by an approved driver.
@@jakesta11 I actually agree with you - the driver is an important part of beta testing for this reason. :)
Unbelievable people can use something in public that steers you into the opposite lane 😮
How else are we gonna find, report and fix the edge case scenarios like that? It was never unsafe, as the driver is always in control if it does something wrong.
@@xeno._yt We? edge case? 🙄
Let's talk about the 20,160 people killed by human drivers in USA in the first six months of the year. This car is actively supervised by a tested driver to correct it if it tries to make a mistake while it improves.